Katelyn Tuohy vs. Parker Valby - who's better?
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- Опубликовано: 9 дек 2023
- Parker Valby and Katelyn Tuohy have been two of the biggest stars in NCAA running, and this video talks more about the differences in their training/potential. #crosscountry #ncaa #trackandfield
At 73 y.o., I have had the privilege of watching so many great middle- and long-distance runners. I ran middle distance in the late 60s-early 70s on the college level. I heap praise on both of these young athletes. My own impression is that they are both stellar, however, the one issue that seems to plague Valby, is her health. Her personality also appears more anxious than Tuohy, and that can take its toll on a distance runner. I also believe they will both struggle to sustain their extraordinary success at the professional level.
Brilliant commentary; the best I have seen. You put you finger right on it. As hard as it is to make the transition from high school phenom to D1 top two or three, it looks like it's even harder to survive the transition to pro. I haven't done any research but that must be true. KT is a team animal. Look, she's remaining in Raleigh to train with her new pro coach, Coach Henes. Good move. She's staying in Raleigh to be able to train, I imagine (no proof) by pre-arrangement to use State's world class facilities. She's got her mainstay, Jake, there. All well and good.Apparently, she's making arrangements to go to Flagstaff regularly for altitude training with her friends Elly Henes and Hannah Steelman. This looks like a plan, and a support system.
I'm going to cop out and say that they are pretty even. Valby has had an incredible best-ever few months, and may have revolutionized how we think about training. Still, I think people make too much of Tuohy's latest results. That's just running. If Valby suddenly has a poor stretch do we have to flip flop about who's better again? We need to see what they do as pros.
What the future brings between these two can only be seen as great for fans of USA running and competing on the world stage. I’ll be following it closely and cheering them both on to victory. I wish them well for years to come. You go girls!!
Valby trains on the Cybex Arc trainer, not the elliptical anymore. There is a recent video where she talks about that, titled "Parker Valby After Winning The 2023 NCAA Cross Country Title, 18:55 For 6K."
It will come down to who is wearing the better shoe. Or so you will be led to believe.
It is all a matter of when each girl comes into her own. Valby took a little while longer, Toughy jumped on it from the beginning. So, each got their own when it was time. In the long run, the difference between the two will become slight, if noticeable. That's why we have collegiate sports. Those who excel go to the pros. Those who were having a great time got what they wanted from college accomplishments. It's all very, very good.
Both runners have tapped into their potential nicely. Their success mostly comes from focused training, but their performances are to the point where people frequently comment that they are great natural talents. Both have excellent coaches, but I would give the slight edge to Valby.
Monson 14:19 born 1998, Henes 14:47 born 1998 Touhy 15:03 born 2002 as Henes and Tuohy likely had similar training in college and Tuohy performed better, Touhy's potential is likely closer to Monson. Also while she needed surgery after high school she has been fit to run even with a heavy load of races for many years making it likely she can have a long career with peak between 24-28 yrs. Valby 14:56 (indoors on hot track) ?? born 2001-2003 ? training to avoid stress on lower body due to past injuries potential is less predictable, likely under the current Olympic standard of 14:50 is possible but whether her body can hold up and her lack of a closing finish raises (something left in the tank) if she can sustain the training and miles for the next 8 years to be globally within the top 10 like Monson
It's always a tough step up from collegiate running to professional running alongside the pride of international talent. Katelyn and Parker are superb runners and both have wonderful personalities, it would be wonderful to see them both succeed at the top level.
They used to cram my Katelyn in these giant work-out gyms to lifet weights and listen to heavy-metal.... and they gave my parker a little swimming pool so she can release her little inner mermaid.... so yeah... they are both cut from the same cloth in the running world... but very different & unique as individuals i meant to say.... Happy New years everyone... wishing endless success, love, kindness, & all your dreams to come true i mean
Valby is just 10 seconds away from being a National caliber 5k runner and 30 seconds away from being international caliber. Katelyn will beat anyone with her same level of natural talent because of her competitiveness, but she will have to develop her talent to run a 14:45 or 4 flat. It will be a big challenge for her but she is always up for a challenge.
They are both treasures for sure...and this & that & the other i mean
Please note: there is no such thing as "Pro grade". There is simply Open Grade Women, meaning aged 20 and over. On that basis, anyone who is good/fast enough, can win Open Grade races. Some of those races are big time events and attract prize money. Anyone can win (if good enough)
The issue is that both Tuohy and Valby have been racing in a level that is much lower than Open Grade, the USA College league. No other Countries run College/University programs so there is no comparison. The others, world wide, all just compete in Open Grade races.
Yes, some Corporates sponsor Clubs that pay expenses and even a regular payment for an invited athlete. They put them under contract, thus making them "Professional". But they compete in Open Grade races. Often a Meet organisor will Invite chosen Open Grade runners to their event. So they only invite the "best". Some are under-contract professionals but most are not!
If both Valby and Tuohy keep improving, in around 3-4 years they will get to the top group of Open Class runners in the World. Possibly around time of the 2028 Olympics. Until then, they are B level runners, at best. eg. WR for 5000m is 14.0.2 so top runners are now looking to break 14 minutes. Valby ran 14.56 and KT has yet to break 15 min. The TOP USA runners clock in at 14.23 and 14.26. See the difference? Improvement by almost a minute is required, minimum. But I believe they can do it! The next 4 years will be interesting. Cheers.
I think it's fascinating that Valby is doing most of her aerobic base on the elliptical. This is an approach you rarely if ever see for an elite runner and if she succeeds it would have long term implications for training.
I didn't know anything about NCAA XC until this year. Both are fantastic athletes but I'm Team Valby. Maybe both can represent the USA
Katelyn Tuohy I believe would come out on top if both are healthy and injury free.
I dunno if anyone can say. Valby's PR is faster and she still hasn't run very many races overall.
My Katelyn is an astonishing talent for sure. but my parker is here to turn the running game upside down on it's heads son.... they both make all the hands on the clock spin around for sure....er? i mean? all the tiny littel hearts pop out all around i meant to say.... god-bless em both
I think this is settled. Valby.
Yeah, Valby is running in a whole different zip code from Tuohy right now. She's leveled up from KT.
if i was more rich, i would buy em both a house on either side of mine.... ha ha.... Er? i mean? it would be worth it to see them mowing the grass every once in a while or something or other along those lines i meant to say
This fall Valby ran Tuohy out of college running. Evidence? Two head to head races both won by Valby. 5 races by Valby and 5 records set. Beat the indoor 5000m record by 16 seconds! Tuohy turns pro...
I don’t believe this is the case. Tuohy ran sick to help her team. Don’t count that as a Valby victory over Tuohy as it is false and you should be fare. Both are USA runners. Wish them well. Follow them and let the future play out.
@@jamesdennis5699Lmao it’s very clearly a Valby victory over Tuohy and a dominant one at that. Just because she played the sick card as an excuse for her underwhelming performance doesn’t change the fact that she got absolutely smoked by Valby.
Mere 7 seconds faster than Tuohy on the best track around and Tuohy's 3k record is litetally just as good as Valby's 14:56, you ignorant hyperbolic toolshed
Your ignorance shows you weren't at Panarama Farms for the race.@@LaxStixTactics
Way to try to make a point by literally saying nothing at all. I saw the pre race press conference when she literally sounded perfectly fine. At most she was slightly less than 100 percent. I’m sure the same could be said for a bunch of the runners in the field. Doesn’t make up for 30 seconds or so that Valby destroyed her by
I would like to think that KT, being the top finisher for the NCAA National Champion XC Team, would be very satisfied with the way she's leaving NC State.
Whoever has the faster 5k pb in 24' is better imo
the way katelyn looks kinda angry & determined at the starting line makes all the hearts pop out ..... where as when parker is all done & giggle bunny mode has tooken over from the runners high.... that too makes all the tiny baby hearts pop out all around.... so there is no picking one over the other son.... they are both special.... end of story.... quit kidding yurself otherwise i meant to say
Valby by a lot.
Parker Valby is the better runner. Parker has more talent and is more athletic. Parker trains and works harder. Parker is also able to run better in harsh conditions such as the cold and rain or high heat and humidity. Parker is both mentally and physically tougher.
To answer the question - who's better? Parker Valby is better.
Idk about running in harsh conditions, you have to remember touhy is from New York, I dont agree with this take since i feel you have a extreme bias towards Parker
Review this year's Nuttycombe race...a healthy Tuohy got romped by a healthy Valby. The torch has been passed. Valby ran 5 races this year and set records in every single one of them. That is not bias...@@anderstauschristensen9184
@@anderstauschristensen9184They went head to head in brutal conditions at Nuttycombe and Parker wiped the floor with her…
@@LaxStixTactics true she won that matchup but the conditions werent brutal, but overall touhy has run better times, and has won most of the duels
@@anderstauschristensen9184 It was extremely windy and raining. Definitely tough conditions by any standard. And she definitely hasn’t run better times in the longer distances. Tuohy has better times in the shorter distances (1500, mile, 3k), but Parker has barely run any of those distances in college. She has mainly focused on the 5k where she just broke the collegiate record that was previously Tuohy’s. In cross country she has way better times, as she has gone under 19 minutes in 6k multiple times across multiple seasons, whereas Tuohy has never run below 19. She also has the record for the fastest time in an ncaa championship 6k, when she ran 18:55 en route to a national championship this year.
Head to head wins is 3-2 in favor of Tuohy by my count. One of the wins by Tuohy was in a 5k prelim that didn’t mean much. And Tuohy ultimately dropped out of the 5k final at nationals that year which Valby went on to win.
I thought Tuohy was unbeatable until this year. Valby took over. So it'll be interesting how they do in the long run. Me thinks Tuohy is going to have a longer and more illustrious career.
Tuohy was red shirt this year and motivation is a major factor.
Thing is if Parker losses some where she also will be passe, once Tuohy lost she was outed same with anyone.
Injuries and health issuse make or break you. Also Parker may not fo as well against pros who she cannot lead.
or she might do better against pros when someone else is setting pace for most of the race. Leading isn't an advantage, the lead runner breaks the wind. The aerodynamics are slight, maybe 1%, but at the world class level, 1% matters.
Tuohy blew it and let Valby out work her and is way better with less talent. She has just lost her edge and will make little impact in the pros!
обе хороши, но мне больше нравится Кэтлин
For me Tuohy is the better runner. She ran down Valby earlier in the year bridging a 50m lead and made Valby look ordinary. Valby's recent win was impressive but Tuohy was clearly poorly or below par in some way. Added to this, Tuohy is down the gym and has increased her core strength. Valby looks fragile by comparison. I think Katelyn will be back in the lead soon
the fragile look (small bones) is an advantage in long distance running. Check out the look of the world class pros. Bigger power to weight ratio. It is true that the fragility can be an issue with injuries, but Valby seems to have figured that out with training on machines. It's a very intelligent approach. Too bad the machine option wasn't available for Mary Decker. She was always injured.