Dual wielding of equally sized weapons is a fantasy concept. Not to mention that the fighting choreography shows either a lack of time, effort or talent or all three.
the long sword short sword dual wielding is kind of a thing but most kendoka now consider it a meme, and it was never mainstream at any point in Japanese history the lightsaber fights in this show are whack.
It is an existing, well established fighting style that has a school, going back to Musashi himself. It‘s not fantasy. It‘s just not used in modern Kendo.
I still dont get why, when going to help Sabine and Ezra, Ahsoka jumped out of her ship right in front of Baylan, but then immediately said, "I dont have time for this." yet proceeded to have a long lightsaber battle. SO WHY DID YOU JUMP OUT THERE?? WHY NOT JUMP OUT WHERE SABINE AND EZRA WERE?? This show was balls.
When Shin Hati and the Sith blow-up doll confront Sabine in the forest: "going somewhere?" That's like a line you put in when you are fleshing out the roughest, most basic draft of your script that will never see the light of day.
i think the biggest problem was nobody told filoni "no, that is an awful idea, back to the drawing board". He was probably so smug after rebels which by season 4 was very well liked despite it's rough start, that he felt like every single one of his ideas where gold.
He should just be a co-writer who helps come up with the general concepts, and leave the actual dialog, the pacing of a script and the directing to someone else. @@janoslambert-cannon7146
@@janoslambert-cannon7146 It's because everyone was extolling Filoni's genius a few years ago, and it seems he took this feedback to heart. As it turns out, he was merely competent amid a sea of trash. It is true after all - Disney destroys everything it touches.
It was so badly blandly done that I didn't even register that Ahsoka wore white after returning from the other 'realm' (?). So superficial it was ignored.
Didn't notice at all either. Not that it makes any sense that she would change to white, but having a short scene where maybe burns her old cloaks (or bleaches them) as a thank you for her new lease on life or whatever would have helped get that point across. As is it's more of an inside joke or point for the movie sins channel.
Eight episodes later and all I can feel is 'meh'. My wife's reply is 'over and underacted at the same time'. We can't shake the feeling that Filoni spent two hundred million dollars insisting that the animated shows were always considered to be mandatory Star Wars viewing, and that this show was an attempt to legitimize them. This show didn't make the attempt it needed to in order to bring in the casual audience and they didn't pay off any of the major storylines. Nothing happens. Ahsoka failed to stop Thrawn, but successfully turned raver chick into a padawan wearing armor - both literal and plot. The hints that something big was going to happen all fell on their faces. No recast characters reintroduced, no revelations that shake the fandom, nothing. When C3P0 came in for a few minutes and name dropped Leia I wondered what actress they cast or if they were going CGI again, but it turns out the answer was neither. And the casuals are left to wonder things like 'what the hell was that owl?' while the animated show fans are talking about force gods. I wouldn't be surprised if six months from now Disney rolls out an X-Ray feature like Amazon has where you can pause the show and have a popup explain what the viewer would have known if they did their cartoon homework. In the end Ahsoka was just content. Meandering, pointless content. Stevenson did a great job, but deserved to be in a better show.
I watched all of Clone Wars and Rebels and, of the first four or so episodes I've seen of Ahsoka, it's a snoozefest & it feels much more like watching Kenobi/Book of Boba Fett/season 3 of the Mandalorian than the animated content. I'm barely halfway through and I can already tell it's going nowhere -- the Sabine/Ahsoka relationship happening entirely offscreen was so jarring to me as a viewer, and the stakes of the story have remained unclear the whole time
@@B463L This is exactly what my friends who were avid CW/R fans said: that they didn't recognize these characters. One of the worst things the Fox X-Men prequels did was have their biggest moments happen off-screen, in-between films. That kind of thing just makes me wish I had seen that story instead. And that extends out to Ahsoka and Sabine too. When they finally describe the thing that drove them apart I felt cheated because the event they described sounded a thousand times more interesting than anything this show ever gives us.
I was a big fan of both rebels and the clone wars and this was far from faithful. I defiantly agree that they brought way too many plot tools from the animated shows in one go, stuff like the world between worlds, nightsisters, mortis gods and purgil. Viewers of the animated shows were slowly introduced to these new additions to star wars over many season whereas in Ahsoka they chucked them all into one season for the first time in live action without properly explaining a single one, leaving new fans lost. They basically ruined every character plot wise in this show: -Hera was a born leader in rebels but also strongly believed in following orders and doing her part for the rebellion. In Ahsoka she was just a bossy general who just constantly intimidated others with her rank to win arguments - Sabine was a great warrior who learnt from her past mistakes and was able to fight alongside jedi as an equal without the force but now they have taken away all of her growth and given her the force, despite not hinting once that she was force sensitive in rebels. She has also failed to take any responsibility for her mistakes and know won't even be the one to fix them as she is on Peridea now - Ahsoka was a far more complex character who was trying to figure what her role was in the galaxy, not believing herself to be a jedi but offscreen she just seems to start calling herself a jedi again and had taken on a padawan? The whole lesson Anakin could have taught her in the world between worlds is that despite what she thinks, she will always be a jedi in his eyes, encouraging her to no longer turn her back on her past instead of the whole fight or die message which made no sense as Ahsoka has been in the fight for the last 35 years. - Ezra was a crafty street rat turned Jedi and they gave him not purpose on Peridea, he just twiddled his thumbs for a decade and has pretty much been replaced by Sabine -Thrawn, oh how the mighty have falllen. In rebels they had a great balance of the rebels outsmarting the empire whilst showing Thrawn always being a step ahead but in this show he was constantly telling us why his plans kept failing and making excuses
@@michaeleverett9091 100% agree although i hate Sabine having the force and being a jedi as it makes literally no sense, if they actually showed the hard work she put in, at least her feats in the finale would have felt slightly deserved. The show relied on us having to try and construct a backstory for the last 10 years since rebels with smallest comments from the main characters.
@@janoslambert-cannon7146 Precisely. I firmly believe this show should have started with Thrawn's defeat shown in live action. Spend a few minutes establishing everyone - Ezra, Hera, Thrawn, so on. Give us reasons to care about them. Give us reasons to fear and hate Thrawn. Let him do something nefarious or frightening. Let him almost win, then Ezra makes the sacrifice, and the whales do their thing. Then smash cut to the opening, some music, and the assault on the ship. That little piece alone would have helped considerably. It wouldn't be the only required change, but it would have been a start. Because without it, as a casual viewer who never saw the animated shows I had problems reconciling the holocron Sabine had with the mural on the wall. Is Ezra a teenager, or a thirty year old man? If this is a holocron sent from him as an adult then it means he can contact you, and if it is from him as a child then they needed to get a different actor or CGI it or SOMETHING. But Feloni wouldn't consider any of this. He opened up his old toychest and picked up where he left off. People like me weren't ever going to be able to follow along. We never did our homework, after all.
Ahsoka was a disgrace. However, every week I was looking forward to the HateWatchers' and Charlie Hopkinson deep-fake Obi-Wan's reactions. For that reason alone, I hope it had 20 episodes.
Also, EFAP and Disparu :D omg the Episode reviews were better than the show. Heelvsbabyface (az) had some good ones too. Where did this fall off the rails? The second they made Sabine getting the force a Plot point. She should have focused on her Mandalorian Skillset. She could have been a "Good guy" version of Cad Bane. Shin would not have won in the forest had Sabine brought her Mando-Gear. (Jet-Pack, Electro Gauntlets, Explosions, Flame Thrower etc) She would have escaped Captive the second she landed on Poridea. I would have her rather opened the door with some gadget, then close it again when thrawn came as she preped to kill him there and then, then Thrawn stops her and she gets away that way. It makes your hero Capable, and you keep Thrawns "tactical savvy" intact. (just letting Sabine go is stupid, he could have dealt with each of them independently from the very start. Then when Ahsoka comes THRAWN would tell Ashoka that he killed her, this makes the people watching dislike him. This isa story about AHSOKA; This could be her Arc... She thinks Sabine is dead. It's just poorly written and executed. I'm convinced FILONI didn't write The Clone Wars and Rebels. Henry Gilroy did. You never hear Gilroys name for credit, when he Co Produced and wrote every episode.
I enjoyed it, writing wasn't great and the story development was damaged because of that, but the lore building and the legends ideas brought into canon through the show are great, also not too mention the platform its given for a possible film/trilogy involving Thrawn, which if done right could be fucking amazing. Dave Filoni simply needs better writers too work with him in order too keep the story flowing at a professional rate you'd expect, so he can build a basic plot and then throw ideas around too expand the universe and dive deeper into Star Wars lore, and then leave the writers too create it while he can supervise making sure they don't go too far off track, like he done with Clone Wars. People need to bear in mind this is his first live action show that he's written pretty much alone. Lets hope he learns from his mistakes, brings in help from some great people and that Disney stays the fuck out of his way
While I am reading a book regarding Thrawn, the more ludicrous Ahsoka is. Disney destroys characters as a matter of course and by default. Insuring there are no good characters.
It is impossible that Filoni spent 5 minutes thinking about how Thrawn and his 10+ year veteran soldiers might try to slow down a ground assault. Let’s give them the failed bombardment and liftoff. First, you have the storm troopers leaving cover to be mowed down in the open. Ahsoka literally yelled “Draw them out!” and these veterans are happy to oblige with no reserve? Second, no one on Thrawn’s team thought to shut the interior blast doors? Just don’t write in the ability to close the doors. Third, Elsbeth is sent to slow them down and stands in the middle of the room allowing Sabine and Ezra walk around. Fourth, there was a *single* point of entry to the Chimera but only two guards, no video, and no countersign (ie password) for sentries. Those are all things any normal person would think of. It would have been cool to see the heroes overcome those obstacles. If Filoni wanted to make Thrawn seem dangerous-making a movie more likely-he’d make him at least that competent. But apparently he thinks his audience is to dumb to care.
IMO it all started going wrong in 7, not 8. In 7 Ezra and Thrawn were basically shown to have done nothing for 10 years and this continued for the whole episode. Ezras lived with a bunch of hermit crabs in a caravan. Whilst Thrawn woke the NS up, repaired his ship and ... did what? nothing, didnt find Ezra and kill / capture him etc. Nothing about this new galaxy etc. Ep7 proceeds and theres the failed attack and our protagonists reunite, still no meaningful character interactions between Ezra Sabine and Ahsoka, minor hug etc but nothing with any depth / character development to it. Que episode 8 and theyve got to contrive the whole plot in a linear fashion because theyve set nothing up. If I had to work with what i was given from the start of episode 7 onwards, Id have had Ezra and Sabine have some proper dialogue then try and stop Thrawn / infiltrate the ship themselves to get home. Theyd do this through the catacombs (because Ezra would have explored the planet whilst he was there) and you have Ahsoka appear at the end to save them from the Chimera destroying the fortress. No Ezra returning with Thrawn. Our protagonists are all reunited, but stranded - and Thrawn has returned to wreck the NR with the added element that they dont know hes back. S2 is them all together, facing off against Baylon/Shin and getting back to the carnage Thrawn has wrought.
We are not "the audience" any longer. The audience Disney is after and is working hard to create is one of effeminate men, toxic feminists, LGBT gender benders, and rainbow hair colors. So yes, they expect their "audience" to not understand.
Andor was a masterclass and I'm a huge fan, the intensity and authenticity were well-written and will-performed in it. Compared to that, Season 3 of Mando and season 1 of Ahsoka both felt like there was consistently 10-20 minutes of every episode MISSING. Like, the best dialogue scenes, which could have given us a ton more character development, weren't there. If you aren't a devoted fan of Rebels and Clone Wars, (which many people haven't even seen), Sabine, Ezra, Hera, Thrawn, etc, are just unexplained, 1-note, random characters. The writing left A TON to be desired.
Yeah there were a bunch of episodes where the plot didn't advance much. Why didn't they use that time for character development or hell, just driving the plot forward. We knew Thrawn gets back to the Star Wars Galaxy because we know they need at least a season 2. Why have 8 episodes where nothing much happens except that last part?
Masterclass is definitely exaggerating but fair enough and you're definitely right about the lack of emotion and shit with rebels and how they just brushed over everything
Not really At the end of the day Andor was pointless, overblown schlock that dragged its feet for WAY too long I honestly will NEVER understand Disney's obsession with making ten hour TV shows for products that were better off as movies with significantly shorter run times
Poor character motivations ruined the story. For as many villains who were in this show, can anyone explain why witch woman wanted to find Thrawn? Or what apprentice girl wanted? I understanded they wanted Baylan's goal to be a mystery, but they could have helped that by letting some of the other villains take center stage. They missed the opportunity to explore the main conflict between Sabine and Ahsoka, by refusing to admit that Sabine is in love with Ezra (at least as a brother). It would have been apparent why Sabine ran away with the map ball, but she overestimated her own ability to handle the situation without Ahsoka. The flip side is that Ahsoka is making a bad decision out of fear, and she needs to come to understand that she has to face Thrawn eventually, and she shouldn't sacrifice her frend to avoid doing so. Hera's plot was a waste, but they could have fixed the problems by having Senator Evil McBadguy imply that there still was a real threat from the Imperial remnant forces, which gives him a reason to be mad that Hera went off mission, while also magnifying the threat that Thrawn's return represents. If there's no army to rally, who cares about Napoleon returning from exile? And saved out of nowhere by C3P0? Barf. I really think Dave Filloni thought we'd be hi-fiving each other, but it's just dumb.
Morgan Elsbeth did it "for Dathomir" (her words after Thrawn told her to sacrifice herself and stay behind). The three Nightsisters apparently, because "the threads of fate demand it".
I don't get why Disney is so reluctant to recast Luke Skywalker nor Leia. If we're talking about a menace such as Thrawn that threatens to restore the empire, hell; they should be doing something.
Recasting ruins the characters I personally think. A new face is a new character even if they have the same name and clothes. There chance to be epic with Luke has passed with the sequels
Just when you thought Disney couldn't scrape the Star Wars barrel any more, along comes Filoni to start drilling deeper. I bet there are some great spec scripts out there from so called 'amateur' writers, that will never be read because of lack of connections, but talentless hacks like Filoni et al will continue work.
I’ve been saying it since episode 2 I think, I feel like the show was written by a psychopath. There’s no way on earth given the circumstances that everyone is so dry, that every interaction is devoid of conflict, that the script consistently avoids giving the characters any real consequences. In episode 3s space battle, it was like Ahsoka forgot she wasn’t interacting with a green when. Stoic doesn’t mean inanimate rock in the face of danger. And Sabine celebrates destroying a ship while five other ships are still shooting at them. It was so f’in dumb. Their facial expressions while talking to each other, you could tell that the actors had no background, no theme, no emotional traction to play with. It was all plot and bullet points. I’m not a marvel fan at all, but Loki season 2 ep 1 made regular character interactions seem like it was premium at Disney.
I can only say that for me Star Wars died a long time ago. It's kind of crazy to me that people had hope for this show given how Disney failed to even PLAN the sequel trilogy before production, not to mention all the other problems with Disney SW. Time for everyone to get over Star Wars: it was three fun movies 40yrs ago, that's all
@@prodigalsonofsunsthree good/fun movies 40 years ago and then 3 goofy poorly written movies that weren’t any better than the crap we are getting today.
@@prodigalsonofsuns even though the Prequels got a lot of problems, most of them regarding writing and direction, there was a story from Ep 1 to 3, a mostly consistent one: the downfall of Anakin until his transformation in Vader and the complete extermination of the Jedi Order and almost all jedi. With the Sequels we got none of that as well as all the recent shows with the clear exception of Andor and Mando S1 and S2(S2 starting to show some problems there that later become real in S3 XD)
On my gaming channel I do SWTOR outfit videos and it was very easy to do a number of outfits from this show because I think he's taking design ideas from there.
I agree with most of your assessment, However, “Kenobi” is actually the worst written Star Wars Series, possibly the worst written series ever. While Asoka had ridiculous contrivances, Kenobi says “hold my beer” and adds on ridiculous contradictions also. Every episode has multiple contradictions, from episode 1, where Kenobi has buried his lightsaber & lost his connection to the Force, but he’s living near Luke to protect him? If Kenobi can’t use the Force & doesn’t have immediate access to his lightsaber, being a wanted Jedi makes his presence near Luke more dangerous than helpful. The Show doesn’t understand this. All the way to the last episode. Reva gets stabbed in the gut by Vader and not only survives, but without getting medical attention that the we know of, somehow makes it to a planet across the galaxy, in a matter of hours, when the previous episode established there were no ships near by, travels to the homestead and mounts an attack! This makes Sabine’s lightsaber wound seem serious! Also, Reva is going to Tatooine to kill Luke Skywalker, why? The audience knows Luke is Vader’s son, but Vader doesn’t and there is nothing in the message Reva saw that she could possibly infer that from, so why does she want to kill him? She also only has a 1st name “Owen”, how can she possibly know which Owen they are talking about on a planet? Is he the ONLY Owen on Tatooine? Yes, Reva met Owen in an early episode, but there was no connection to Obi-Wan associated with that meeting! Why would she think, “Oh, it must be the Owen I met early”. Disney Star Wars treats planets logistically like they are small towns. Reva knows things the audience knows that she has no way of knowing, & they don’t bother to try to explain it! That’s extra-bad writing.
He was a real actor with a conscience. You can tell he initiated actual conversations with the directors about his scenes, his motivations and how his words are delivered. The other actors are like props, probably just following orders from the director without thinking much. How the Sabine actress can have her feet propped up just chilling in that scene when there should have been some urgency is beyond me. At least put your feet down and lean forward on that journey to confront Thrawn lol!
Baylen was the only good thing about this show, poorly written but atleast you could feel his motivation and desire to get shit done, his facial expressions were on point. He was everything Ahsoka herself should have been, he was stoic, but it didn't take away from his character, didn't make him a rock. His apprentice, shi whatever her name is is pretty boring too, missed potential aswell, just a bunch of bad writing and missed oppertunities in this show imo
@6:45 In defense of Ahsoka's original tube-top and miniskirt outfit, it was actually George Lucas, not Dave Filoni, who wanted that. And his reasoning is actually sound. It was meant to echo how a rebellious young teen girl just beginning to explore her developing identity as a maturing woman would dress. And that actually holds up to scrutiny if you've ever taken a look at how provocatively 13-year old girls tend to dress irl when they have overly permissive parents, or absentee parents. This is also why her outfit changes as she gets older and her character develops, because she's actually establishing her real identity, and has begun to grow out of the impulse to rebel by being flashy and provocative.
I've seen this "defense" before, and imo it doesn't hold up. Yes, I've also read that it was Lucas' idea, so no argument there. But the idea that it "makes sense in-universe" because of irl teens (usually meaning relatively spoiled North American teens) is *completely ignoring* the fact that Ahsoka's upbringing was not even remotely comparable to such irl teens. She'd been raised by a strict philosophical Order since the age of 3; I doubt she'd be dressing like a mall rat, despite a "rebellious phase", especially not after she's sent to the front lines of a war! The reality is that wardrobe choice only makes sense out-of-universe because it was done so she'd be more "relatable" to the target audience: relatively spoiled North American kids.
@@m.e.3251 Fair enough. I think you hit the nail on the head with the goal being to make her relatable to the target audience. But I'm not sure that it doesn't make sense for her upbringing in-universe. Sure, the Jedi are a strict philosophical order, but their strict philosophy has nothing to do with dress codes or the puritanical sexual morality that those tend to stem from. Most Jedi dress very conservatively, but as a matter of tradition, not morality. No one in the Order seems to have a problem with Aayla Secura running around in what amounts to booty shorts and a sports bra, after all. As long as your behavior is not something that infringes on your duties as a Jedi, or something that risks you Falling to the Dark Side, the Jedi are every inch "over-permissive parents" to the kids they take in. And if you were a girl that grew up in an environment where almost everyone dressed exactly the same, but wasn't strictly REQUIRED to do so, and you hit a rebellious phase and desperately wanted to stand out? Dressing in a flamboyant, flashy, attention-seeking manner is an extremely easy and intuitive way to do that. As for her doing so in a warzone, yes that is stupid, and if he had a shred of "responsible adult" in him, Anakin would have put a stop to it the second they went into a warzone. But, it's not necessarily out of character for someone her age, brought up the way she was (where the Jedi teach that individuality and individual expression are sacred and to be respected) to be stubborn about it even when it's obviously stupid. Honestly, the much bigger issue to my mind is that she was fighting in the war at all. That part was clearly done to appeal to kids by acting like someone their age could do heroic things too, but clearly they weren't thinking through the moral implications of that decision. In the Clone Wars lore from before the tv series, Padawans as young as Ahsoka did occasionally end up fighting on the front lines, but whenever they did, it was only happening because everything else had gone horribly wrong. The classic example is the Battle of Jabiim from the Star Wars: Republic comics, where a group of Padawans, which included one who was only 13, ended up fighting and dying on the front lines. But in that case, it was only because all of their masters had been killed in the fighting, and the Republic lines were collapsing completely, leaving no rear-echelon command section for the younger Padawans to stay safely away from the fighting. The fact that in order to appeal to irl kids, Lucas and Filoni basically said that the Jedi were 100% cool with using child soldiers is far more appalling to me as a fan than the way Ahsoka was dressed.
@@rmartinson19 “their strict philosophy has nothing to do with dress codes or the puritanical sexual morality” and “the Jedi teach that individuality and individual expression are sacred and to be respected” Yes. So if dressing like that isn’t actually rebelling against anything, why would she do it? You mention that she “desperately wanted to stand out”, and sure that could be argued, but it still doesn’t explain why her rebellion would manifest in how she dresses when *no one cares* (in-universe) how she dresses. “if he had a shred of 'responsible adult' in him, Anakin would have put a stop to it” It’s a personal peeve of mine when people blame Anakin for Ahsoka’s choices. And I mean, you literally said “the Jedi teach that individuality and individual expression are sacred and to be respected” right after this. So which is it?? Is he irresponsible, or just being respectful? “it's not necessarily out of character for someone her age… even when it's obviously stupid.” You seem to have a very low opinion of teenagers in general, or maybe just Ahsoka in particular, if you think it makes sense for her to be THAT level of stupid. “that the Jedi were 100% cool with using child soldiers is far more appalling to me as a fan than the way Ahsoka was dressed” I won't argue with that, but that doesn’t mean we can’t discuss the problems with how Ahsoka is dressed. (Only saying that because I’ve had people use the child soldier problem to try to shame me into shutting up about her lack of clothes.)
@@m.e.3251 "Yes. So if dressing like that isn’t actually rebelling against anything, why would she do it?" It's still rebellion because it's going against the norm. A rebellion doesn't need to have active opposition as a motivator. I've seen tons of kids do various things out of teenage rebellion thinking they're going to get backlash, only for it to not materialize. For some of them, this takes the fun out of it, but others are satisfied with merely proving that they are "different". Besides, it's not clear that no one in the Order cares. Sure, the official line of Jedi thinking is that such things don't matter unless they interfere with your duties, but there are always individuals within every organization who hold harder-line beliefs than the main-stream. I'm sure there were at least a few knights and Masters who would sniff disapprovingly at the lack of dignity in the way she dressed herself. As for why it would manifest in the way she dresses, well, what other avenue does she have? More emotional or behavioral forms of rebellion run the risk of the Order seeing her as at-risk of Falling, or at the very least as unsuitable for further training. Pulling an Emo or Goth phase as your rebellion in the Jedi order is more likely to see you declared too emotionally unstable to be a Jedi Knight, and packed off to the Agri-Corps than anything else. Similarly, drugs are a no-go in that environment, and she's too young and sheltered for casual sex to be the outlet she thinks of first. Basically all of the standard teenage methods of rebellion are closed to her in one way or another, except for her wardrobe choices. "It’s a personal peeve of mine when people blame Anakin for Ahsoka’s choices." At the start of the show, she's a literal child, and he is the adult who has explicitly been given authority and responsibility over her. It is his duty to see to her needs, her education, and her safety. And while individual choice is to be respected, respect is not the same thing as carte blanche in every situation. It is not disrespectful of your subordinate's personal lifestyle choices to say "wearing a tube-top and miniskirt into combat is idiotic, go change into some armor." So yes, he was insanely irresponsible. Not that that's unexpected considering who we're talking about, but that ball was definitely in his court and he most definitely dropped it. "You seem to have a very low opinion of teenagers in general, or maybe just Ahsoka in particular, if you think it makes sense for her to be THAT level of stupid." You must not remember what it was like to BE a teenager if you don't have an equally low opinion of them. That is the EXACT level of stupid all too many of them are. Look at some of the totally unnecessary, insanely dangerous crap teenagers pull on the regular irl. When you don't truly comprehend your own mortality, and your brain is basically still hormone-addled, half-formed mush, it turns out your decision making processes can be pretty damn skewed toward the moronic end of the spectrum, even in life-or-death situations. And if I'm being honest, no, I don't have a very high opinion of Ahsoka herself. She's too self-centered to have ever made a good Jedi. We can see this in the way she still, decades after the fact, refuses to acknowledge that the Jedi Council was backed into a corner and acted on the best information available to them when they expelled her. Rather than recognizing that the Order was in an unwinnable situation, and that all the evidence they had available to them pointed to her being a traitor, she continues to wallow in her hurt feelings and insistence that they betrayed her. Ironically, her inability to view the situation objectively and recognize why they made the decisions they did is proof that she was unworthy of their offer of elevating her to the rank of Jedi Knight. I always find it funny when she does her oh-so-superior "I'm no Jedi" schtick, because my first thought is "yeah, no shit, because you couldn't cut it as one." Ahsoka is the worst kind of failure: the kind that refuses to acknowledge her own faults, and insists on pinning the blame on everyone else. Anyway, to be clear, if I was in Lucas' shoes when he was developing TCW, would I have gone with the outfit he did for Ahsoka? No, I definitely wouldn't have, because the impracticality of it galls me to my core. But I can understand his reasoning, and I think it is believable that there are idiot teenagers who would dress and act exactly like Ahsoka did.
@@rmartinson19 I feel like you’re relying too much on “this is what some kids are like irl” and not enough on “we can see from [insert examples from TCW] that it makes sense Ahsoka would do this”. As I said before, “wanting to stand out” is something I could see in Ahsoka. But “rebelling for the sake of rebelling” or “sticking it to the prudes” I cannot. And, while I personally think she’s a complete moron, the narrative wants us to believe she’s smarter than most, so it doesn’t make sense that she’s SO stupid she’d choose to keep wearing that outfit in a warzone. “that ball was definitely in his court and he most definitely dropped it.’” But why would Lucas/Filoni allow him to argue with her about the way she’s dressed when they *wanted* her dressed that way to show her “immaturity”? (Not to mention, a man telling a young girl to change into something more appropriate would likely receive a lot of backlash, regardless of how reasonable the order was under the circumstances… but I digress.) My point is that claiming Anakin is a bad person because his character wasn’t allowed to have a logical reaction doesn’t seem a very fair argument. “That is the EXACT level of stupid all too many of them are.” (You clearly grew up in a very different environment than I did.) But again, you’re pulling from “irl teens”, which I assume is referring to relatively spoiled North American teens. But that’s not a fair comparison. A better comparison would be to look at teens from war torn countries where they’re forced to face mortality on a regular basis. I think it's reasonable to doubt you’d see an irl child soldier choosing to wear a tank top and miniskirt into battle. So why does Ahsoka? “She's too self-centered to have ever made a good Jedi… the Jedi Council was backed into a corner and acted on the best information available to them… Ahsoka is the worst kind of failure…” 100% agree! 👏👏👏 “I think it is believable that there are idiot teenagers who would dress and act exactly like Ahsoka did.” This is what I mean when I say you’re looking at this the wrong way around: what Ahsoka does shouldn’t be believable because “idiot teenagers exist irl”, it should be believable for reasons that are specific to and logical within her character establishment and story setting. And I just don’t see that given in TCW.
Ahsoka should NOT get a 2nd season. The abuse and misuse of the actors/actresses is horrible!! Fakeloni is a turnip-level Plagiarist, at best who is way, way too fixated on his Ahsoka-fetish...which is creepy, to say the least. Fakeloni should be investigated, there's something about him that's very seriously disturbing...he's hiding something, I think we all sense that. As to SW? Fakeloni knows NOTHING about Star Wars.
It's funny people say they need to wait for season 2 to see what the outcome of season 1 is..if season 1 doesn't stand on it's own and tell enough of it's OWN story, there will NEVER be a season 2. I'm not even intrigued at the possibility of season 2 because season 1 did absolutely nothing for me.
So... The powerful independent WhamMen endangered a whole universe and are proud of it. Karma is leaving Ahsoka and Saw-Bean isolated and in bedded with crabs 🦀.
No, it didn't fall apart at the end. It was garbage from the start. I'm predicting that Ahsoka pulls Anakin out of the "World Between Worlds" at some point into their timeline so the Filoni stans can die in orgasmic bliss. I feel bad for Hayden. Love that he's getting the love he deserves- because it was *never* his performance that was the problem in the prequels, it was *always* George's writing- but I'm sad he's being used for Filoni's awful fanfiction.
Some scenes would have been helpful: Ezra telling the others what happened in Peridea, how Thrawns ship and crew got damaged, how Thrawn met the nightsisters. Ezra getting angry about Sabine and her actions. Ahsoka and the others using the head of the asassinator droid with the bomb to lure Thrawn Into a trap. They disguise it as Huyangs head and let Thrawn believe that he can find out about the secrets of the jedi. It explodes before he reaches Dathomir and Thrawn has to salvage whats left of his ship, crew and cargo. Baylan and Shin not splitting up but he telling her what these statues are and what he hopes to find there. But i still wonder, because nothing we see here or in the Mandalorian is to be seen in the sequels, except the ex-imperials trying to get together and the republic denying the possibility of that.
I only continued to watch it for Baylan and Shin. I find it hilarious that the show is about Ahsoka and the two best characters are Baylan and Shin. As a matter of fact, I found Morgan Elsbeth a better character than Ahsoka. I would say that Huyang was a better character than Ahsoka. I really didn't see the purpose of Hera Syndulla really, but she was a better character than Ahsoka as well. So here we have it, five characters are more interesting than who is supposed to be the main character.
@@usveteran9893 the writing and plot of direction was lacking, character's are only as smart or interesting as their writers. Dave Felony is not talented enough to do so, I now suspect he isn't the creator of Ahsoka
I was so excited by Episodes 5 and 6 Episode 7 was an underwhelming disappointment and the finale kind of shit the bed for me. I was getting anxious the whole time, waiting to see more of Baylan and Shin (2 characters with the best chemistry, mind you), only to get utterly blue balled in the final moments. Also, here's a few questions regarding Ezra's escape: -How did Ezra manage to steal a shuttle from THRAWN, without being caught taking one of the few ships/resources he has left on the Chimaera? -If Thrawn was aware of the shuttle's departure, did he just not care? When he had already lost soldiers and a few ships chasing after them on Peridea -How tf did Ezra know where the New Republic fleet was??? -Why wouldn't the New Republic have blown him out of the sky? -Why didn't they ask him for clearance codes, or identification? So he could do a face reveal? Really?? -Why would they have let a random shuttle dock in the hangar of their command ship? Pretty sure that didn't go too well for them the last time... even when they DID receive a clearance code. Kind of pissed with Filoni for totally sticking the landing on this one.
The ship Ezra stole was Baylan and Shin's ship and the last time that landed on a new republic cruiser claiming to have jedi onboard, alot of people died, why on earth didnt they blow him up the second he made contact or shoot him dead whilst he was still wearing stormtrooper armor?
I liked when Sabine reunited with Ezdra after 10 years and it was the most dry and unemotional scene ever lol... She risked the whole f**king galaxy for a guy she acts like it means nothing when they see each other. It's really laughable. I talked about it with a friend and ended up writing a giant text pointing out all of the inconsistencies i caught in the script just scratching the surface. If i look deeper i'm sure i can find many more. Andor is the best Star Wars show by far. Andor had the most dificult job of them all. They had a character that no one gave two shits about, and they managed do write a very tight script, nice dialogs, a real character arc, make people seem real and with palpable motivations etc. And Ahsoka, Boba Fett, Obi Wan who are beloved characters had terrible scripts, terrible dialogs. Its really incredible how Disney are managing to be so incompetent with SW.
The script was so poorly written that they made plot holes within single episodes. They show us Sabine being let go to locate Ezra and Baylan and Shin following her. In episode 7, Shin reveals Ezra's location to Thrawn but then we see the Great mothers being able to pinpoint Ahsoka's location in an asteroid field so accurately that they can bombard her position. Why didn't they locate Ezra that way instead of sending an armed mandalorian to locate him. They let her keep his Saber for crying out loud, if Ezra took it, 2 squads of troopers wouldn't have been enough anymore. Thrawn made Ezra 10x more of a threat for no reason.
I really loved the animated shows, and honestly after Kenobi I was pretty much done with Star Wars, but Ahsoka is one of if not my favorite characters so I watched this. It’s hard to believe she’s the same woman who defeated maul as a teenager. Who was a general in the clone wars. She was flat, criticized Sabine as a Jedi even though she isn’t fully trained. It’s like she forgot all of the massive mistakes she made, all of the deaths on her hands when she made bad choices in the clone wars. Sabine absolutely made the wrong call and should have been punished for it like Ahsoka was when she was young. And if they’re bad, Ezra was worse. He might as well have been a cardboard cut out. Frustrating too cause the actor was perfect, he looks just like ezra. And thrawn might have been the biggest disappointment imo. His “strategies” barely made sense, every call he made seemed like the wrong one, he’s supposed to be the strategist of all strategists, but imo he was boring. I don’t want to keep watching a franchise I love being ruined.
Kind of goes to show you how much an animator brings to a character. Voice performers as well, the animator and the voice actor work so closely together, it's almost outside of the directors influence. Dave might have rode the coat tails of his strong animation and voice talent team. I work as a film editor, went to post secondary school at the biggest animation school in the country and lived with 5 animators. They're for the most part very introverted, but almost ALL of their form of expression comes through their drawings, their work. They might be quiet people, but they're observing, always observing and of course they'll get none of the credit. Dave F got too much credit by the look of his live action stuff.
@@MarkHoltze I agree completely. I’ve thought since her first appearance in live action that not having Ashley eckstein as Ashoka was a mistake. A big mistake. I understand she doesn’t look a lot like Ashoka, but so much make up is used for her character does it really matter? Not to mention the impact Ashley eckstein has had on Star Wars and the sci-if community at large with her universe. And she’s always the first to say she’s just one part of a team that brings Ashoka to life. And apparently that team was really missing here. I was really hoping for better, and Lucasfilm, and Filoni really let us down. Pretty consistently they’ve let us down again and again in live action. The animated releases from Disney have been pretty okay. Rebels. Tales of the Jedi. Some of the bad batch was honestly really good, too. Although many episodes were terribly juvenile. I don’t know how the clone wars, a kids show, always managed to have such depth, but that depth has really been missing from this live action Star Wars.
It was such lazy writing with having Ezra just do nothing on peridea, imagine how much more interesting if Sabine went all that way only for Ezra to have a greater purpose on the planet and isn't able to leave. I think the only way for anything to be salvaged next season is for something to big to happen to Sabine directly or have something happen to Ezra that emotionally destroys her, like him dying or getting seriously hurt in a war she started but didn't partake in. She needs to suffer either directly or through extreme guilt to make her character even slightly salvageable, tbh giving Sabine the force was the final nail in the coffin for me.
@@janoslambert-cannon7146 The idea that Ezra was doing basically nothing on a mostly deserted planet for years is the most terrible follow up to Rebels. That Sabine can be first obsessed with finding Ezra then have a mundane dry reunion where she doesnt talk to him is a jarring disconnect. I really feel that if you are objective about the plot and characters and ignore weather or not it is animated, Rebels has better writing then all these Disney+ made shows. That really baffles me. Who the heck was in the writers room on Rebels besides Filoni? Get them back.
@@YTAG33 Ezra was once a brave teen who messed with the empire before he could use the force and was only armed with a non lethal slingshot but now he is a jedi who just twiddles his thumbs for a decade whilst Thrawn is clearly up to no good with powerful witches. Yet Thrawn who keeps telling Elsbeth to not underestimate a lone jedi like a broken record, has not gone after Ezra or tried to kill him. He only tries to kill Ezra when he can use Sabine to lure him out yet he lets her keep all of her weapons knowing she will use them to kill his forces and could have possibly give the saber back to Ezra making him a far greater threat. And then in the same f***ing episode they show that Thrawn could have just asked the greatmothers to pinpoint his exact with magick and he could have sent stormtroopers to take out the unarmed jedi with overwhelming numbers like the clones did to wipe out the entire jedi order. How did they make such a massive plot hole within one episode, the script and plot was so poorly checked over that they missed this. I personally think Ezra should have stayed on Peridea to deal with Baylan and Shin whilst Ahsoka and Sabine went back to the main galaxy to deal with Thrawn and aid the new republic. This firstly allows Sabine to take responsibility for her mistake and make amends. Story wise it makes alot more sense as Ezra should know Peridea like the back of his hand and knows the local language. He is also the perfect person to help Shin as he is the only living jedi who used the darkside for an extended period of time (he learnt from a sith holocron for 6 months and learnt sith techniques like mind control instead of less invasive mind trick), he has faced the demons Shin currently has. His greatest skill according to Filoni was connecting with others and seeing past people's exteriors allowing him to befriend pirates and the clones despite others distrust in them, so him not just seeing Shin as a sith would fit his character, Ezra even tried to befriend Maul (ended poorly but the point stands). Ahsoka and Sabine are far more capable of aiding the new republic in a large scale war considering they both have experience leading large armies (Ahsoka led clone armies and Sabine led her clan into battle whilst she stayed on krownest) whereas Ezra has only ever led small groups of rebels in guerilla warfare. Also Sabine and Ahsoka have a far better connection to Bo Katan than Ezra making it easier to tie in the mandalorian s4 into the Heir to the empire if they are around. Ezra also has a link to the mortis gods considering he connected to both the daughter and son to open and close the WBWs. Ezra having no involvement in the mortis arc makes no sense. They could still have Ahsoka be the one to kill Abeloth in the end, maybe her and Sabine go searching for the mortis dagger in the main galaxy whilst Ezra just ensures she isn't freed until then by Baylan (I'm 90% the threat on peridea is an imprisoned Abeloth). Just my thoughts on a plot that actually has Ezra do something on peridea and has Sabine fix her mistakes.
I would take Andor dissecting Star Wars themes over flashing lights and distractions. Because all the ideas Filoni introduces and does nothing with is frustrating to watch. A waste of millions of dollars. I'd love to know how much of the animation Filoni actually wrote, because if this is how he functions alone, he shouldn't be allowed to write anything by himself. Also, we can't ask for better for female characters while Filoni is out here giving them bad writing and gratuitous ass shots. I am not a fan.
Given all the demands the writers strike wanted, I dont think anyone writes anything "alone" at Disney etc. It all seems to need to go through committee and have to tick all the boxes etc. That said if hes the sole writer on the credits etc, then he gets the acclaim / criticism.
Filoni is an ideas guy, not a writer. You have him come up with an idea, a theme, maybe a big plot point or cool character, then you let the actual writers take over and make a narrative out of it all.
You nailed it! It’s basically what you said at the end, fans aren’t having the same conversation… some are critically questioning the storyline while others are just “anakin!!!! And ezra!!!! And look mortis! Anakin is the father ashoka the daughter this is incredible!!!!” Stfu none of that shit is implied!
the ones just happy to see the characters they remember are not an audience you want to build a show around. IT's as superficial as they come, great for reaction memes and maybe youtube shorts...but there needs to be WAY more depth to the story if they want to make something that stands the test of time. What is going on with Disney lately, they're floundering on all fronts, their purchased IP's and even their own stuff.
Great video man. I’m glad you aren’t one of those RUclipsrs who blindly hate everything as it gives you more credibility when you do critique something. But anyway If you watch show like House of the Dragon or Severance, you know what good writing, character arcs, and action are supposed to look like and Ahsoka just didn’t have it. I actually think that if Tiny Gilroy or his team were given a project like this then it would be great. Maybe Filoni and Gilroy could even work together.
With Tony and his crew there is no need of Filoni. Tony is a high talented director/writer with 4 or 5 more writers/directors with him on the team as good as him. Filoni dosent have place there. IMO I just want Disney hires more writers directors like Tony and less, much less like Filoni. Who knows, maybe Filoni can learn and be better in the future, but as of right now he is mediocre at best.
Sigh... I liked Ahoska character from the Clone Wars, so I was looking for a passionate, kind, and ready-to-fight character in this show but I got stoicism and hand folding almost all the time. No characters get consequences of their action! Sabine should be reprimanded as hell for what she did. Hera should have been demoted from her rank by disobeying a director order from the whole New Republic Council. Ahsoka has no character arc like other characters. The New Republic is incompetent as hell even though they have so much evidence that Imperials were preparing something BIG. All Disney Star Wars shows on Disney+ are only here to justify the existence of the sequel trilogy with the worst SW movie "Rise of Skywalker. Speaking of the sunken cost fallacy, right? What extremely poor to mediocre writing. I laughed my ass off when I saw the space shuttle crawling over the crab people when our characters were in a "hurry" to stop Thrawn in the last episode. Now becoming a Jedi is like unlocking a skill in a game when you grind long enough. This was the show that determined if the hope for Disney Star Wars was lost for me. I'm done with Star Wars for good. I will not be wasting my time. What a shame what they did to the character of Ahsoka and the entire Star Wars franchise. One positive thing that came from it, I'm interested in reading the books where Thrawn came from to find out what a force he was to reckon with.
A republic council who wants to control every admiral for sending out a recon mission with a handful of fighters is insane. The only one involvef would be military command and usually an admiral has either troops or the ability to tap in resources. The sebate was fan service to show known figure heads and give C3PO a nomsense job.
Wellllll, Ahsoka was never "kind" She never even had moments of kindness, she had moments that looked kind, but weren't. And that too is only because the plot needed it, so people will love her.
e-ehh?... in that one episode where Ahsoka was on the run she saved a child while being under that intense pressure. If that don't scream kindness I don't know what dosen't, n what about that episode (or episodes) with those trandoshans? Even in Rebels she was an incredibly kind woman, she was more stoic yeah, but stoic in a good way, it didn't ruin the character, and you could still feel that way ahsoka, especially when she fought Vader. In this show? Ahsoka was as rock dead as any poorly written fan fiction protaganist, her face barely moved. Got to the point where I sometimes just got pissed off by looking at her, I straight up just stopped watching after episode 5, tbh the only r eason why I did watch is because Anakin was in it and I wanted to see Hayden christenes and see them interact, but while Hayden's acting was good, the scene was very.... i don't even know where to begin with that scene, it's just a bunch of special effects stacked upon eachother to make things look cool, the plot, story, none of it makes sense.@@ECSOrder66
@@somerandomskywalker9854 No, the child saved her, because she was too stupid to understand how elevators works, and almost got them both killed. You mean the episode (episodes) where she attacks the Trandoshan father, and kills him, without even a little bit of empathy afterward? I admit that she was very kind in trying to tell Vader that she won't leave him again, but this is what I'm talking about: It looks like she's being kind, but then later on (This show) She says she's not here to discuss her past with such bitterness in her voice, as if she's mad people keep calling her out on that, when she should instead be feeling incredibly guilty, wow Ahsoka, your guilt and pain for abandoning Anakin.... it's practically non-existent. She's not inherently kind, she acts kind for one scene, and then stops acting kind immediately after. Humans do not work that way. If they have guilt for something that they did, they express that guilt. Her feeling guilty in Rebels is entirely meaningless because she doesn't keep that with her. Her guilt for what happened mysteriously vanished off-screen, and it's not a compelling or believable change.
Andor ruined my standards lol. All the other shows just look like kiddy fun time now. I wish they would take Star Wars seriously again. It's always been a series with a wacky exterior but took itself seriously within its world. Consistency and continuity are out the window now.
One of my biggest criticisms of Ahsoka has been that for someone new coming in, they have no reason to fear Thrawn. Yeah, he’s smart, but we haven’t seen him be a tactical genius yet. Add a line where Hera talks about how he destroyed rebellion fleet or even see him in his element would’ve done so much for the show in my opinion.
To repeat the line of "HeelsvsBabyface": "WHAT EMOTION ARE YOU FEELING?". Gods, so many faces I wondered... what the heck are you feeling? Like everyone swallowed too much Valium. They looked so bored so much of the time. Already in the very beginning, Ahsoka in a sort of temple, very slowly turning columns, a vague, stoic expression, no context. Just "get the item" like in a cheap video game, and I had a bad feeling about this.
The characters traveled 10 million light years to a complete new galaxy, and how do they use that? They create a desert planet that is basically a carbon copy of Tatooine.
To be fair I’m sure Dave’s initial script or shots might have been changed so much that it is no longer his. Remember Kennedy is an exec producer and they have to run this past various departments to check that there is enough.diversity and no feelings are hurt. He doesn’t write the checks so I’m sure he has to sacrifice a LOT to get this made. Makes me wonder how they were so lenient with Andor
Because there is no cheking box in the first place or not as tht big as people thing it is. Many people are now trowing all the guilt on KK, but this mediocre story or atempt at story was writen and directed by Filoni. Andor proves that professionals with talent and care can do the work under Disney, and yes Andor do has some bits of inclusion, HELL Vel and Cinta are lesbians. But the point is that Tony and his crew got the complete goal of telling a good consistent story with real characters. Filony cant do any of this, he didnt write any of Clone Wars or Mandalorian, and in Rebel he was only director. So no, this entire failed show was all Filoni.
Why do I get the feeling you just want to be able to blame a woman and "SJWs" for how bad this show is? Literally nothing in this show can be blamed on diversity stuff, it's all technical stuff that lies with David Filoni. Seems like you really have different priorities.
I rate Star Wars: A Filoni fanfiction story a astounding 2.5/10 One of many things that made me angry about the show is that it seems Disney, and Dave of all people, have learned nothing from Rey. Say what you want about Sabine being “trained” by Ahsoka and Kanin but there is no way she should be that good with the force and lightsaber that quickly. All it took was a deathtrooper holding her up and she could: 1. pull a saber to her 2. Block bolts without looking and 3. Push Ezra across that massive gap. Not even 2 episodes ago she was struggling to swing, struggling to force pull a cup, and failed to push Shin. Filoni might just be a fraud who is using the success of the CW as a crutch. We don’t talk about that man’s love for Ahsoka either, completely obsessed he is. Edit: one more thing: Filoni didn’t take inspiration from LOTR, he literally ripped it off. Ahsoka wore grey clothing, fell off a bridge, then came back with white clothing.
I would like to add that in episode 8 Thrawn had no reason to be on the planet at all. He was just docking with the inter-galactic space sphincter, that they could have done in orbit... so yeah, bad writing.
Why not tho weren’t they loading their equipment from the witches fort to the ship witch is why they were trying to hold them off from reaching the ship so they could load everything
@@pjorozco8337 ... They completed it episode 7. He just stayed there for dumb plot reasons. The ONLY way they could win is by getting on the ship yet he chose to keep it on the ground. It's incredibly stupid
Now I want a cinnamon bun! I didn't watch the show, but I'd like to express my gratitude to you for your dedication to informing your viewers how ghastly it all is. I think any "fan" who claims they love it has received some sort of compensation. I'm talking about the ones whose recorded reactions were disturbingly over the top. How much more wildly enthusiastic could they have appeared if they watched "Empire strikes back"on opening night when Vader says, "Luke, I am your non- birthing parent." Or else they have a really bad case of Stockholm-Syndrome-Adjacent-Disease. That's for people who are so desperate to re-capture the magic that instead of rewatching the old stuff they loved, they insist on watching stuff and pretending it's adequate. Thanks for the video! 🙏🤔🍿
As someone that knows people that enjoyed it and also having enjoy the thing myself the compensation is mostly see more of the good characters we like, and see those in other format. I know is simple and you can say “conformistic” but is true. For some people that have being following these characters for years it was very rewarding to watch them in a different light. The scenes of Ashoka and Haiden etc… I honestly loved those. But the plot of the series was very lacking and I am very aware of that. Baylan and Shin were so interesting and we didn’t learn anything about them. Sabine should have had a better development. Also, I am aware of the main problem of this series. The series was not really done for the general audience. It was trying to hook people into watch the animated shows. I am a very huge fan of the animated shows… but doing a show that is destined to be enjoyable only if you watched the animated shows is a terrible strategy and is actually bad overall. I am not trying to contradict your opinion, is more like explaining why it had that effect in some people. The actors were fine, the quality of a few scenes and the characterization of some characters. There were stuff to enjoy for some people, is all what I am saying.
@@MoRPho151 thank you very much for your polite and thorough reply! You may absolutely feel free to contradict my opinion. I’m glad you provided me with a different perspective than I had seen before. What is extra frustrating is how good the show could have been given the potential of the characters. I’m glad you enjoyed the animated shows! 🙏😎
I didn’t hate it but I agree with most of the things you’re talking about. On a basic and emotional level I was happy to see Rebels characters again and I am a sucker for mysticism, magic and lore, Etc. The bottom line for me is that I think we need Filoni in Star Wars for story, knowledge and his respect for George but there needs to be help with the writing and directing. I am not condemning him bc he made some mistakes. I am truly grateful for him and I think he’s humble and may continue to learn. As you said, we need people to oversee or take over the main writing and directing duties. Let Dave be there each step of the way and they can work as a team.
If only the people who made Andor were in charge of all Star Wars live action for the rest of eternity... At least then there might be some character development, some intensity that actually mattered, and we could have a sense of hope for the future that there was some "good Star Wars" forthcoming.
While I didn't watch the series, my intro to actually seeing Thrawn was in 1994 when he appeared in the TIE Fighter game. I'm ancient enough to remember this special offer of buying the book with Micro Machine figures, so there were Thrawn figures (and other EU figures) at one time. When I saw the unveiling of Thrawn for this show, I just figured it was a throwback to the character's original look.
Good review, but I must point out that it was George Lucas who chose Ahsoka's first TCW outfit (if I recall correctly). But yeah, people think Filoni is the chosen one, when he's just not great
Pretty disappointed in the direction Disney star wars has gone with the IP. But can't say I didn't expect it. Filoni is a hack whose in love with himself an his own characters. Honestly this show was written so badly that my intelligence is insulted 😂
I had high hopes for Disney Star Wars, Force Awakens was "okay" but I really liked Rogue One, Last Jedi, Solo and TLS broke my heart though. Solo less, but Solo didn't need to be made and Ford is just too iconic to replace so soon I think, especially after you just killed him in Awakens. Mando season 1 was alright, it confirmed Star Wars could work as a tv series live action. I enjoyed the climax and build of season 2 as well but Kenobi.....MESS, Mando season 3? MESSES! This??? I think I'm done. I have zero emotion watching these shows now and the one thing I can say i that I re-watched episode 1-3 again and despite their flaws ENJOYED them. They told a story, the music was epic, the battle scenes were massive in scale. The light saber duels were glorious and the Force hadn't QUITE gone full super hero level. Anyway sorry to write an essay. Long way to say I agree!
I started watching the SW cartoons to catch up to all these new series that pretty much continue them. It is shocking how bad the writing can be if it cant surpass writing from a cartoon for kids/teens
i wonder if there someday will be someone in charge at disney who is like: "you know what? lets do something REALLY crazy... how about produce something good for once? just once"
My sentiments exactly! Frank Capra once said there are no rules in filmmaking, only sins - and the cardinal sin is dullness. And this show was the definition of dull. And to make the SWU dull takes effort, but Filoni nailed it.
After watching this bland and unwitty writing and boring storytelling, it makes me really appreciate and greatly look forward to season two of House of the Dragon
Glad more people are starting to see the phony Filoni is and that channels like this exist to expose it. Never have been a fan of his since the beginning though I gave him a few clone wars seasons to try. Failoni's work is a crime against Star Wars...perhaps a Felony...he deserves nothing less than to have his work ripped apart since that's all he's done to other people's work in Star Wars. I wish for nothing less than continued failure so that he may one day be kicked to the curb unceremoniously. Thank you for spreading the message that his work is not what it's cracked up to be.
I watched with a friend who didn’t watch any of the animated shows. Just the movies and and Disney + shows so far. And his disappointment once the last episode ended said it all for me. I wanted to like this series but it just wasn’t good.
While the room has a lot of elephants, I’m very willing to forgive #1 slow initial pacing. Ahsoka was a lesser-known character who had a long history. The case for exposition was very difficult because the only thing new was the circumstances. The “Mandalorian” was an all-new character and was an exposition bonanza. He was introduced by way of archetype 40 years ago through Boba Fett in one of the most popular installments of Star Wars. The big elephant was the passing of Ray Stevenson. Without a lot of foreknowledge of how to deal with his passing, developing him or hanging some kind of plot armor on his character represented an almost insurmountable problem. I would love to see what of his scenes were left out because of his passing. I’m sure it reorganized the show in a big way as a result. I’m heartsick for his passing. I LOVED what he did in the show. He looked on the verge of becoming a 3 dimensional character but yanked back by the fear of the producers regarding how to fill his role going forward.
Ashoka holding her lightsabers backwards, is SO ridiculous. You have no strength or control like that. They did the same thing with Galadriel in Rings of Power. Stupid.
They keep undoing anything that happens at the end of every Star Wars movie and show. Mando gives up grogu…gets him back before the next season. Vader kills the emperor…he’s back in episode 9… Ezra sacrifices himself to keep Thrawn away from the galaxy… Sabine brings him back with Thrawn…. LUke finally becomes a Jedi master…. Needs to learn how to be a Jedi again from a girl who knows nothing about Jedi
Horrible writing is definitely the trend over the last 10 years. I've heard an explanation for it that makes a great deal of sense - we now have generations of people who have grown up with little social interaction outside of the internet and their tiny circle of friends, which is causing a profoundly stunted worldview. Melville spent 6 years at sea which enabled him to write Moby Dick. Hemingway experienced World War I which enabled him to write Farewell to Arms. What have modern writers done besides writing scripts at the local Starbucks? As a result, the situations and dialogue they write will more closely resemble the internet discussions they have had, rather than actual interpersonal dialogue and development. This definitely explains why I find myself thinking "I wouldn't do or say that in that situation" more and more when I watch the way characters behave. Plots can be bad and poorly thought out, but the real problem is that characters aren't behaving like real, mature adults, and the situations they are put in are unreal.
I rated the series 1 out of 10. Mainly for the reasons discussed here. Lack of pace, no character development, ludicrously stupid villains, boring heroes, and a sense that of you were not in Rebels club, this was not for you, because there seems to be a bunch of in jokes. Last, a sense of wasted potential. I kept rooting for Balin and Shrin as they seemed to have a different agenda, but they split them up with story arcs that went nowhere. By contrast the story arc for Sabine was so awful, and so dull, and so unresolved I was angry wondering how such poor writing and directing could get green lit.
They did my boy Thrawn wrong as a reader of all "legends" who started with the Heir trilogy of books and Thrawn became one of my favorite characters in Star wars lore. This show did my boy wrong. 😔
Well other then Obi Wan which was the worst the Ashoka show was the biggest disappointment closely followed by the Mandaloran season 3 and Boba Fett. Ashoka was so bad it actually ruined the Rebels show because it directly ties into it, just like the last Jedi ruined anything good the Force awakens had going for it.
You nailed it. Direction was bad (bad directors) Ahsoka is so slow compared to what she use to be. The light saber choreography was like a 10 year old did the fight scenes. Thrawn became a parody of himself. Badly written, the best thing in it was Baylan. And it just went no where.....boring as f
I wanted to love this show but after the first few episodes is was clear the writing was awful. I think Dave can create great ideas, he just needs a proper writing team to put it all together.
For the finale - all they had to do is have Huyang say "Calculating Thrawns departure time.. putting it on main viewer" and flash the count down occasionally to create tension to get their butts moving. Agree with your assessment 100%
One thing i hated is they did the countdown until the enemy departs twice, in episode 4 and in episode 8. Atleast in episode 4 it made some tension but the execution of it the finale was just stupid. They show Thrawn being confident they won't make it and then immediately show us him being wrong, great way to set up the supposedly greatest tactician in the galaxy.
Rosario Dawson would make a great late 1940s, New Orleans / bayou prostitute. I think she was born to play a role like that. But as a Jedi Knight / Master, she's more bland than Wallpaper Paste flavored baby food. Her range stretches from kind of uninterested to mildly uninterested. That's it. If you're into that kind of acting, I'm sure she's your gal. But for me, I'll quote Bill the Cat, "Pfft! Blehh!"
As an Ahsoka Tano AND Rebels fan, this show was a walking DISASTER. There were OBVIOUS opportunities for story and character development, like Anakin's rage and desire for revenge paralleling what Sabine probably felt after the Purge of Mandalore, and how Ahsoka could have had to grapple with her apprentice seemingly following in Anakin's footsteps. The amount of character development that could have sprouted BY ITSELF in a character who never finished her Jedi training is already huge, and that's just one example. But no, let's brush over that to go find Ezra I guess.
Here’s another reason why this whole series no longer works in its current timeline: it fundamentally doesn’t matter. We know Thrawn doesn’t win, because we’ve seen a future where he is completely vanished. There are no stakes. They could’ve left it as it was, or gone into a different galaxy where it’s a FarScape situation with entirely new implications and Thrawn as the big bad there, but nooo. Thrawns gotta come back and restart the empire that is going to fail and become the First Order which, shocker, will also fail.
I think my biggest problem was how this show required you to watch two shows in order to understand what’s happening and who these people are. As opposed to something like Andor where you don’t even need to watch Rogue One to get into the world or the characters.
Ahsoka's fighting style was 'inspired by the samurai'?
They should sue for defamation, it was ATROCIOUS
Inspired by arthritic samurai... Way of the Voltaren.
A samurai would never dual wield lmfao
Dual wielding of equally sized weapons is a fantasy concept. Not to mention that the fighting choreography shows either a lack of time, effort or talent or all three.
the long sword short sword dual wielding is kind of a thing but most kendoka now consider it a meme, and it was never mainstream at any point in Japanese history
the lightsaber fights in this show are whack.
It is an existing, well established fighting style that has a school, going back to Musashi himself.
It‘s not fantasy.
It‘s just not used in modern Kendo.
I still dont get why, when going to help Sabine and Ezra, Ahsoka jumped out of her ship right in front of Baylan, but then immediately said, "I dont have time for this." yet proceeded to have a long lightsaber battle. SO WHY DID YOU JUMP OUT THERE?? WHY NOT JUMP OUT WHERE SABINE AND EZRA WERE??
This show was balls.
So we could get to the next cheesy, slow motion set piece?
Lol, that's exactly what I said when I first saw that scene. Ridiculous.
😂😂😂😂😂
She did that to steal his ride, Baylan can’t get to the fight if he has no ride
When Shin Hati and the Sith blow-up doll confront Sabine in the forest: "going somewhere?"
That's like a line you put in when you are fleshing out the roughest, most basic draft of your script that will never see the light of day.
Filoni is one of those writers who's like "Nah, I don't need to outline, it's all in my head."
i think the biggest problem was nobody told filoni "no, that is an awful idea, back to the drawing board". He was probably so smug after rebels which by season 4 was very well liked despite it's rough start, that he felt like every single one of his ideas where gold.
He should just be a co-writer who helps come up with the general concepts, and leave the actual dialog, the pacing of a script and the directing to someone else. @@janoslambert-cannon7146
@@janoslambert-cannon7146 It's because everyone was extolling Filoni's genius a few years ago, and it seems he took this feedback to heart. As it turns out, he was merely competent amid a sea of trash. It is true after all - Disney destroys everything it touches.
@@janoslambert-cannon7146all his animated stuff is great I really don’t know what happened here
Filoni is not a writer, that's pretty obvious.
It was so badly blandly done that I didn't even register that Ahsoka wore white after returning from the other 'realm' (?). So superficial it was ignored.
Probably a homage to LotR...in the sense that it was akin to a Pornhub cum tribute. 🙄
I honestly saw it as "oh, so there must be more than one outfit in her ship's wardrobe"
Makes sense - but have we ever seen a washer/dryer in Star Wars?
@@jocundphoton3152
I didn't notice it either.
Didn't notice at all either. Not that it makes any sense that she would change to white, but having a short scene where maybe burns her old cloaks (or bleaches them) as a thank you for her new lease on life or whatever would have helped get that point across. As is it's more of an inside joke or point for the movie sins channel.
Eight episodes later and all I can feel is 'meh'. My wife's reply is 'over and underacted at the same time'. We can't shake the feeling that Filoni spent two hundred million dollars insisting that the animated shows were always considered to be mandatory Star Wars viewing, and that this show was an attempt to legitimize them.
This show didn't make the attempt it needed to in order to bring in the casual audience and they didn't pay off any of the major storylines. Nothing happens. Ahsoka failed to stop Thrawn, but successfully turned raver chick into a padawan wearing armor - both literal and plot. The hints that something big was going to happen all fell on their faces. No recast characters reintroduced, no revelations that shake the fandom, nothing. When C3P0 came in for a few minutes and name dropped Leia I wondered what actress they cast or if they were going CGI again, but it turns out the answer was neither. And the casuals are left to wonder things like 'what the hell was that owl?' while the animated show fans are talking about force gods. I wouldn't be surprised if six months from now Disney rolls out an X-Ray feature like Amazon has where you can pause the show and have a popup explain what the viewer would have known if they did their cartoon homework.
In the end Ahsoka was just content. Meandering, pointless content. Stevenson did a great job, but deserved to be in a better show.
I watched all of Clone Wars and Rebels and, of the first four or so episodes I've seen of Ahsoka, it's a snoozefest & it feels much more like watching Kenobi/Book of Boba Fett/season 3 of the Mandalorian than the animated content. I'm barely halfway through and I can already tell it's going nowhere -- the Sabine/Ahsoka relationship happening entirely offscreen was so jarring to me as a viewer, and the stakes of the story have remained unclear the whole time
@@B463L This is exactly what my friends who were avid CW/R fans said: that they didn't recognize these characters. One of the worst things the Fox X-Men prequels did was have their biggest moments happen off-screen, in-between films. That kind of thing just makes me wish I had seen that story instead. And that extends out to Ahsoka and Sabine too. When they finally describe the thing that drove them apart I felt cheated because the event they described sounded a thousand times more interesting than anything this show ever gives us.
I was a big fan of both rebels and the clone wars and this was far from faithful. I defiantly agree that they brought way too many plot tools from the animated shows in one go, stuff like the world between worlds, nightsisters, mortis gods and purgil. Viewers of the animated shows were slowly introduced to these new additions to star wars over many season whereas in Ahsoka they chucked them all into one season for the first time in live action without properly explaining a single one, leaving new fans lost.
They basically ruined every character plot wise in this show:
-Hera was a born leader in rebels but also strongly believed in following orders and doing her part for the rebellion. In Ahsoka she was just a bossy general who just constantly intimidated others with her rank to win arguments
- Sabine was a great warrior who learnt from her past mistakes and was able to fight alongside jedi as an equal without the force but now they have taken away all of her growth and given her the force, despite not hinting once that she was force sensitive in rebels. She has also failed to take any responsibility for her mistakes and know won't even be the one to fix them as she is on Peridea now
- Ahsoka was a far more complex character who was trying to figure what her role was in the galaxy, not believing herself to be a jedi but offscreen she just seems to start calling herself a jedi again and had taken on a padawan? The whole lesson Anakin could have taught her in the world between worlds is that despite what she thinks, she will always be a jedi in his eyes, encouraging her to no longer turn her back on her past instead of the whole fight or die message which made no sense as Ahsoka has been in the fight for the last 35 years.
- Ezra was a crafty street rat turned Jedi and they gave him not purpose on Peridea, he just twiddled his thumbs for a decade and has pretty much been replaced by Sabine
-Thrawn, oh how the mighty have falllen. In rebels they had a great balance of the rebels outsmarting the empire whilst showing Thrawn always being a step ahead but in this show he was constantly telling us why his plans kept failing and making excuses
@@michaeleverett9091 100% agree although i hate Sabine having the force and being a jedi as it makes literally no sense, if they actually showed the hard work she put in, at least her feats in the finale would have felt slightly deserved. The show relied on us having to try and construct a backstory for the last 10 years since rebels with smallest comments from the main characters.
@@janoslambert-cannon7146 Precisely. I firmly believe this show should have started with Thrawn's defeat shown in live action. Spend a few minutes establishing everyone - Ezra, Hera, Thrawn, so on. Give us reasons to care about them. Give us reasons to fear and hate Thrawn. Let him do something nefarious or frightening. Let him almost win, then Ezra makes the sacrifice, and the whales do their thing. Then smash cut to the opening, some music, and the assault on the ship. That little piece alone would have helped considerably. It wouldn't be the only required change, but it would have been a start. Because without it, as a casual viewer who never saw the animated shows I had problems reconciling the holocron Sabine had with the mural on the wall. Is Ezra a teenager, or a thirty year old man? If this is a holocron sent from him as an adult then it means he can contact you, and if it is from him as a child then they needed to get a different actor or CGI it or SOMETHING.
But Feloni wouldn't consider any of this. He opened up his old toychest and picked up where he left off. People like me weren't ever going to be able to follow along. We never did our homework, after all.
Ahsoka was a disgrace. However, every week I was looking forward to the HateWatchers' and Charlie Hopkinson deep-fake Obi-Wan's reactions.
For that reason alone, I hope it had 20 episodes.
Also, EFAP and Disparu :D omg the Episode reviews were better than the show. Heelvsbabyface (az) had some good ones too.
Where did this fall off the rails? The second they made Sabine getting the force a Plot point. She should have focused on her Mandalorian Skillset.
She could have been a "Good guy" version of Cad Bane. Shin would not have won in the forest had Sabine brought her Mando-Gear. (Jet-Pack, Electro Gauntlets, Explosions, Flame Thrower etc) She would have escaped Captive the second she landed on Poridea. I would have her rather opened the door with some gadget, then close it again when thrawn came as she preped to kill him there and then, then Thrawn stops her and she gets away that way. It makes your hero Capable, and you keep Thrawns "tactical savvy" intact.
(just letting Sabine go is stupid, he could have dealt with each of them independently from the very start. Then when Ahsoka comes THRAWN would tell Ashoka that he killed her, this makes the people watching dislike him. This isa story about AHSOKA; This could be her Arc... She thinks Sabine is dead.
It's just poorly written and executed. I'm convinced FILONI didn't write The Clone Wars and Rebels. Henry Gilroy did. You never hear Gilroys name for credit, when he Co Produced and wrote every episode.
Yup,along with every other thing disneys made in the last decade. All TRASH!!!!
I enjoyed it, writing wasn't great and the story development was damaged because of that, but the lore building and the legends ideas brought into canon through the show are great, also not too mention the platform its given for a possible film/trilogy involving Thrawn, which if done right could be fucking amazing.
Dave Filoni simply needs better writers too work with him in order too keep the story flowing at a professional rate you'd expect, so he can build a basic plot and then throw ideas around too expand the universe and dive deeper into Star Wars lore, and then leave the writers too create it while he can supervise making sure they don't go too far off track, like he done with Clone Wars.
People need to bear in mind this is his first live action show that he's written pretty much alone. Lets hope he learns from his mistakes, brings in help from some great people and that Disney stays the fuck out of his way
@@shadf7902 Rogue One, Andor, Mandalorian S1-2, Clone Wars S5-7, Rebels, Tales of the Jedi are all of the past decade and are brilliant.
Because of the internet bad movies create a ton of fantastic content in spite of themselves.
While I am reading a book regarding Thrawn, the more ludicrous Ahsoka is. Disney destroys characters as a matter of course and by default. Insuring there are no good characters.
are you reading the ascendancy novels? they are so fucking good.
Filoni's only good at taking stuff from Legends and basterdizing it.
@@_PK777_ To hell with that Disney trash. The only Thrawn trilogy is the 90s books and the Hand of Thrawn dualogy.
@@yrooxrksvi7142its written by zahn though
@@skull6400 Doesn't matter, he's a sellout. As "good" as they might be, they're so self contained, they might as well not exist.
It is impossible that Filoni spent 5 minutes thinking about how Thrawn and his 10+ year veteran soldiers might try to slow down a ground assault.
Let’s give them the failed bombardment and liftoff. First, you have the storm troopers leaving cover to be mowed down in the open. Ahsoka literally yelled “Draw them out!” and these veterans are happy to oblige with no reserve? Second, no one on Thrawn’s team thought to shut the interior blast doors? Just don’t write in the ability to close the doors. Third, Elsbeth is sent to slow them down and stands in the middle of the room allowing Sabine and Ezra walk around. Fourth, there was a *single* point of entry to the Chimera but only two guards, no video, and no countersign (ie password) for sentries.
Those are all things any normal person would think of. It would have been cool to see the heroes overcome those obstacles. If Filoni wanted to make Thrawn seem dangerous-making a movie more likely-he’d make him at least that competent. But apparently he thinks his audience is to dumb to care.
I think it's precious that they all shared the same role of red duct tape when all of their armor was damaged at the same time, too. 🤡
IMO it all started going wrong in 7, not 8.
In 7 Ezra and Thrawn were basically shown to have done nothing for 10 years and this continued for the whole episode.
Ezras lived with a bunch of hermit crabs in a caravan. Whilst Thrawn woke the NS up, repaired his ship and ... did what? nothing, didnt find Ezra and kill / capture him etc. Nothing about this new galaxy etc.
Ep7 proceeds and theres the failed attack and our protagonists reunite, still no meaningful character interactions between Ezra Sabine and Ahsoka, minor hug etc but nothing with any depth / character development to it.
Que episode 8 and theyve got to contrive the whole plot in a linear fashion because theyve set nothing up.
If I had to work with what i was given from the start of episode 7 onwards, Id have had Ezra and Sabine have some proper dialogue then try and stop Thrawn / infiltrate the ship themselves to get home. Theyd do this through the catacombs (because Ezra would have explored the planet whilst he was there) and you have Ahsoka appear at the end to save them from the Chimera destroying the fortress.
No Ezra returning with Thrawn. Our protagonists are all reunited, but stranded - and Thrawn has returned to wreck the NR with the added element that they dont know hes back.
S2 is them all together, facing off against Baylon/Shin and getting back to the carnage Thrawn has wrought.
And just what is it with Disney Star Wars and assaulting Star Destroyers on the backs of space horses?
We are not "the audience" any longer. The audience Disney is after and is working hard to create is one of effeminate men, toxic feminists, LGBT gender benders, and rainbow hair colors. So yes, they expect their "audience" to not understand.
The concept of a door went right over the galaxy's greatest tacticians head despite being mans first security measure.
Ahsoka had three states:
1. Boring
2. Eye rolling
3. Wanting to slap the @$%$ out of some character for being annoying or stupid or both.
Andor was a masterclass and I'm a huge fan, the intensity and authenticity were well-written and will-performed in it. Compared to that, Season 3 of Mando and season 1 of Ahsoka both felt like there was consistently 10-20 minutes of every episode MISSING. Like, the best dialogue scenes, which could have given us a ton more character development, weren't there. If you aren't a devoted fan of Rebels and Clone Wars, (which many people haven't even seen), Sabine, Ezra, Hera, Thrawn, etc, are just unexplained, 1-note, random characters. The writing left A TON to be desired.
Yeah there were a bunch of episodes where the plot didn't advance much. Why didn't they use that time for character development or hell, just driving the plot forward. We knew Thrawn gets back to the Star Wars Galaxy because we know they need at least a season 2. Why have 8 episodes where nothing much happens except that last part?
Masterclass is definitely exaggerating but fair enough and you're definitely right about the lack of emotion and shit with rebels and how they just brushed over everything
Not really
At the end of the day Andor was pointless, overblown schlock that dragged its feet for WAY too long
I honestly will NEVER understand Disney's obsession with making ten hour TV shows for products that were better off as movies with significantly shorter run times
@@jeremyallen5974I think the same on how these shows should be movies. Probably because Disney is afraid of flops like solo.
@@techvidz4451 or they're fucking idiots who DO NOT, under ANY circumstances want to put ANY amount of effort into their stories.
Dave filoni shit is not canon to me.
Completely agree. The people who say they love Ahsoka are in denial. It's the first stage of grief for a reason.
Poor character motivations ruined the story. For as many villains who were in this show, can anyone explain why witch woman wanted to find Thrawn? Or what apprentice girl wanted? I understanded they wanted Baylan's goal to be a mystery, but they could have helped that by letting some of the other villains take center stage.
They missed the opportunity to explore the main conflict between Sabine and Ahsoka, by refusing to admit that Sabine is in love with Ezra (at least as a brother). It would have been apparent why Sabine ran away with the map ball, but she overestimated her own ability to handle the situation without Ahsoka. The flip side is that Ahsoka is making a bad decision out of fear, and she needs to come to understand that she has to face Thrawn eventually, and she shouldn't sacrifice her frend to avoid doing so.
Hera's plot was a waste, but they could have fixed the problems by having Senator Evil McBadguy imply that there still was a real threat from the Imperial remnant forces, which gives him a reason to be mad that Hera went off mission, while also magnifying the threat that Thrawn's return represents. If there's no army to rally, who cares about Napoleon returning from exile? And saved out of nowhere by C3P0? Barf. I really think Dave Filloni thought we'd be hi-fiving each other, but it's just dumb.
Morgan Elsbeth did it "for Dathomir" (her words after Thrawn told her to sacrifice herself and stay behind).
The three Nightsisters apparently, because "the threads of fate demand it".
@@Espermaschine There you have it then: "For the glory of Space France!"
I don't get why Disney is so reluctant to recast Luke Skywalker nor Leia. If we're talking about a menace such as Thrawn that threatens to restore the empire, hell; they should be doing something.
They're cowards
Well they’d ruin those characters too somehow
@@CorBor69 yeah. Maby is for the best that it won't happen.
Solo.
Recasting ruins the characters I personally think. A new face is a new character even if they have the same name and clothes. There chance to be epic with Luke has passed with the sequels
I feel like the entire plot of Ahsoka could have taken place in a single half hour episode and you'd still have to pad it out.
I have a friend who did exactly that reducing the entire thing to just over half an hour.
@@luckykennedy7364Thank you for the shout-out!
every live action star wars show aside from mando and andor has been a 6-hour movie, not a tv show.
Just when you thought Disney couldn't scrape the Star Wars barrel any more, along comes Filoni to start drilling deeper. I bet there are some great spec scripts out there from so called 'amateur' writers, that will never be read because of lack of connections, but talentless hacks like Filoni et al will continue work.
Bad fan fiction actually
With a side of horrible cosplay
And bad stiff emotionaless acting. But well said nonetheless.
I’ve been saying it since episode 2 I think, I feel like the show was written by a psychopath. There’s no way on earth given the circumstances that everyone is so dry, that every interaction is devoid of conflict, that the script consistently avoids giving the characters any real consequences. In episode 3s space battle, it was like Ahsoka forgot she wasn’t interacting with a green when. Stoic doesn’t mean inanimate rock in the face of danger. And Sabine celebrates destroying a ship while five other ships are still shooting at them. It was so f’in dumb. Their facial expressions while talking to each other, you could tell that the actors had no background, no theme, no emotional traction to play with. It was all plot and bullet points.
I’m not a marvel fan at all, but Loki season 2 ep 1 made regular character interactions seem like it was premium at Disney.
I can only say that for me Star Wars died a long time ago. It's kind of crazy to me that people had hope for this show given how Disney failed to even PLAN the sequel trilogy before production, not to mention all the other problems with Disney SW. Time for everyone to get over Star Wars: it was three fun movies 40yrs ago, that's all
AWFUL WRITING.
And three fun movies at the turn of the century. Six movies and a full complete story.
@@prodigalsonofsunsthree good/fun movies 40 years ago and then 3 goofy poorly written movies that weren’t any better than the crap we are getting today.
@@prodigalsonofsuns even though the Prequels got a lot of problems, most of them regarding writing and direction, there was a story from Ep 1 to 3, a mostly consistent one: the downfall of Anakin until his transformation in Vader and the complete extermination of the Jedi Order and almost all jedi. With the Sequels we got none of that as well as all the recent shows with the clear exception of Andor and Mando S1 and S2(S2 starting to show some problems there that later become real in S3 XD)
@@prodigalsonofsuns seek help
Shin’s design was lifted from Lana in SWTOR.
On my gaming channel I do SWTOR outfit videos and it was very easy to do a number of outfits from this show because I think he's taking design ideas from there.
I agree with most of your assessment, However, “Kenobi” is actually the worst written Star Wars Series, possibly the worst written series ever.
While Asoka had ridiculous contrivances, Kenobi says “hold my beer” and adds on ridiculous contradictions also.
Every episode has multiple contradictions, from episode 1, where Kenobi has buried his lightsaber & lost his connection to the Force, but he’s living near Luke to protect him?
If Kenobi can’t use the Force & doesn’t have immediate access to his lightsaber, being a wanted Jedi makes his presence near Luke more dangerous than helpful.
The Show doesn’t understand this.
All the way to the last episode.
Reva gets stabbed in the gut by Vader and not only survives, but without getting medical attention that the we know of, somehow makes it to a planet across the galaxy, in a matter of hours, when the previous episode established there were no ships near by, travels to the homestead and mounts an attack!
This makes Sabine’s lightsaber wound seem serious!
Also, Reva is going to Tatooine to kill Luke Skywalker, why?
The audience knows Luke is Vader’s son, but Vader doesn’t and there is nothing in the message Reva saw that she could possibly infer that from, so why does she want to kill him?
She also only has a 1st name “Owen”, how can she possibly know which Owen they are talking about on a planet?
Is he the ONLY Owen on Tatooine?
Yes, Reva met Owen in an early episode, but there was no connection to Obi-Wan associated with that meeting!
Why would she think, “Oh, it must be the Owen I met early”.
Disney Star Wars treats planets logistically like they are small towns.
Reva knows things the audience knows that she has no way of knowing, & they don’t bother to try to explain it!
That’s extra-bad writing.
Baylen was Alec Guinness to me. Older solid actor that brings a bit of legitimacy in a wild youth centered world.
Pre thrawn. Thrawn is solid af
He was a real actor with a conscience. You can tell he initiated actual conversations with the directors about his scenes, his motivations and how his words are delivered. The other actors are like props, probably just following orders from the director without thinking much. How the Sabine actress can have her feet propped up just chilling in that scene when there should have been some urgency is beyond me. At least put your feet down and lean forward on that journey to confront Thrawn lol!
@@jeffreyroedel9804 agreed. Somebody said why didn’t Thrawn close the blast doors like the Rebels shut them on the Zombies. It’s stuff like that too 😂
Baylen was the only good thing about this show, poorly written but atleast you could feel his motivation and desire to get shit done, his facial expressions were on point. He was everything Ahsoka herself should have been, he was stoic, but it didn't take away from his character, didn't make him a rock. His apprentice, shi whatever her name is is pretty boring too, missed potential aswell, just a bunch of bad writing and missed oppertunities in this show imo
Great stuff! I covered the breakdown of Nielsen numbers this morning. Keep at it! Love the videos
@6:45 In defense of Ahsoka's original tube-top and miniskirt outfit, it was actually George Lucas, not Dave Filoni, who wanted that. And his reasoning is actually sound. It was meant to echo how a rebellious young teen girl just beginning to explore her developing identity as a maturing woman would dress. And that actually holds up to scrutiny if you've ever taken a look at how provocatively 13-year old girls tend to dress irl when they have overly permissive parents, or absentee parents. This is also why her outfit changes as she gets older and her character develops, because she's actually establishing her real identity, and has begun to grow out of the impulse to rebel by being flashy and provocative.
I've seen this "defense" before, and imo it doesn't hold up. Yes, I've also read that it was Lucas' idea, so no argument there.
But the idea that it "makes sense in-universe" because of irl teens (usually meaning relatively spoiled North American teens) is *completely ignoring* the fact that Ahsoka's upbringing was not even remotely comparable to such irl teens. She'd been raised by a strict philosophical Order since the age of 3; I doubt she'd be dressing like a mall rat, despite a "rebellious phase", especially not after she's sent to the front lines of a war!
The reality is that wardrobe choice only makes sense out-of-universe because it was done so she'd be more "relatable" to the target audience: relatively spoiled North American kids.
@@m.e.3251 Fair enough. I think you hit the nail on the head with the goal being to make her relatable to the target audience.
But I'm not sure that it doesn't make sense for her upbringing in-universe. Sure, the Jedi are a strict philosophical order, but their strict philosophy has nothing to do with dress codes or the puritanical sexual morality that those tend to stem from. Most Jedi dress very conservatively, but as a matter of tradition, not morality. No one in the Order seems to have a problem with Aayla Secura running around in what amounts to booty shorts and a sports bra, after all. As long as your behavior is not something that infringes on your duties as a Jedi, or something that risks you Falling to the Dark Side, the Jedi are every inch "over-permissive parents" to the kids they take in.
And if you were a girl that grew up in an environment where almost everyone dressed exactly the same, but wasn't strictly REQUIRED to do so, and you hit a rebellious phase and desperately wanted to stand out? Dressing in a flamboyant, flashy, attention-seeking manner is an extremely easy and intuitive way to do that. As for her doing so in a warzone, yes that is stupid, and if he had a shred of "responsible adult" in him, Anakin would have put a stop to it the second they went into a warzone. But, it's not necessarily out of character for someone her age, brought up the way she was (where the Jedi teach that individuality and individual expression are sacred and to be respected) to be stubborn about it even when it's obviously stupid.
Honestly, the much bigger issue to my mind is that she was fighting in the war at all. That part was clearly done to appeal to kids by acting like someone their age could do heroic things too, but clearly they weren't thinking through the moral implications of that decision. In the Clone Wars lore from before the tv series, Padawans as young as Ahsoka did occasionally end up fighting on the front lines, but whenever they did, it was only happening because everything else had gone horribly wrong. The classic example is the Battle of Jabiim from the Star Wars: Republic comics, where a group of Padawans, which included one who was only 13, ended up fighting and dying on the front lines. But in that case, it was only because all of their masters had been killed in the fighting, and the Republic lines were collapsing completely, leaving no rear-echelon command section for the younger Padawans to stay safely away from the fighting.
The fact that in order to appeal to irl kids, Lucas and Filoni basically said that the Jedi were 100% cool with using child soldiers is far more appalling to me as a fan than the way Ahsoka was dressed.
@@rmartinson19 “their strict philosophy has nothing to do with dress codes or the puritanical sexual morality” and “the Jedi teach that individuality and individual expression are sacred and to be respected”
Yes. So if dressing like that isn’t actually rebelling against anything, why would she do it?
You mention that she “desperately wanted to stand out”, and sure that could be argued, but it still doesn’t explain why her rebellion would manifest in how she dresses when *no one cares* (in-universe) how she dresses.
“if he had a shred of 'responsible adult' in him, Anakin would have put a stop to it”
It’s a personal peeve of mine when people blame Anakin for Ahsoka’s choices. And I mean, you literally said “the Jedi teach that individuality and individual expression are sacred and to be respected” right after this. So which is it?? Is he irresponsible, or just being respectful?
“it's not necessarily out of character for someone her age… even when it's obviously stupid.”
You seem to have a very low opinion of teenagers in general, or maybe just Ahsoka in particular, if you think it makes sense for her to be THAT level of stupid.
“that the Jedi were 100% cool with using child soldiers is far more appalling to me as a fan than the way Ahsoka was dressed”
I won't argue with that, but that doesn’t mean we can’t discuss the problems with how Ahsoka is dressed. (Only saying that because I’ve had people use the child soldier problem to try to shame me into shutting up about her lack of clothes.)
@@m.e.3251 "Yes. So if dressing like that isn’t actually rebelling against anything, why would she do it?" It's still rebellion because it's going against the norm. A rebellion doesn't need to have active opposition as a motivator. I've seen tons of kids do various things out of teenage rebellion thinking they're going to get backlash, only for it to not materialize. For some of them, this takes the fun out of it, but others are satisfied with merely proving that they are "different".
Besides, it's not clear that no one in the Order cares. Sure, the official line of Jedi thinking is that such things don't matter unless they interfere with your duties, but there are always individuals within every organization who hold harder-line beliefs than the main-stream. I'm sure there were at least a few knights and Masters who would sniff disapprovingly at the lack of dignity in the way she dressed herself.
As for why it would manifest in the way she dresses, well, what other avenue does she have? More emotional or behavioral forms of rebellion run the risk of the Order seeing her as at-risk of Falling, or at the very least as unsuitable for further training. Pulling an Emo or Goth phase as your rebellion in the Jedi order is more likely to see you declared too emotionally unstable to be a Jedi Knight, and packed off to the Agri-Corps than anything else. Similarly, drugs are a no-go in that environment, and she's too young and sheltered for casual sex to be the outlet she thinks of first. Basically all of the standard teenage methods of rebellion are closed to her in one way or another, except for her wardrobe choices.
"It’s a personal peeve of mine when people blame Anakin for Ahsoka’s choices." At the start of the show, she's a literal child, and he is the adult who has explicitly been given authority and responsibility over her. It is his duty to see to her needs, her education, and her safety. And while individual choice is to be respected, respect is not the same thing as carte blanche in every situation. It is not disrespectful of your subordinate's personal lifestyle choices to say "wearing a tube-top and miniskirt into combat is idiotic, go change into some armor." So yes, he was insanely irresponsible. Not that that's unexpected considering who we're talking about, but that ball was definitely in his court and he most definitely dropped it.
"You seem to have a very low opinion of teenagers in general, or maybe just Ahsoka in particular, if you think it makes sense for her to be THAT level of stupid." You must not remember what it was like to BE a teenager if you don't have an equally low opinion of them. That is the EXACT level of stupid all too many of them are. Look at some of the totally unnecessary, insanely dangerous crap teenagers pull on the regular irl. When you don't truly comprehend your own mortality, and your brain is basically still hormone-addled, half-formed mush, it turns out your decision making processes can be pretty damn skewed toward the moronic end of the spectrum, even in life-or-death situations.
And if I'm being honest, no, I don't have a very high opinion of Ahsoka herself. She's too self-centered to have ever made a good Jedi. We can see this in the way she still, decades after the fact, refuses to acknowledge that the Jedi Council was backed into a corner and acted on the best information available to them when they expelled her. Rather than recognizing that the Order was in an unwinnable situation, and that all the evidence they had available to them pointed to her being a traitor, she continues to wallow in her hurt feelings and insistence that they betrayed her. Ironically, her inability to view the situation objectively and recognize why they made the decisions they did is proof that she was unworthy of their offer of elevating her to the rank of Jedi Knight. I always find it funny when she does her oh-so-superior "I'm no Jedi" schtick, because my first thought is "yeah, no shit, because you couldn't cut it as one." Ahsoka is the worst kind of failure: the kind that refuses to acknowledge her own faults, and insists on pinning the blame on everyone else.
Anyway, to be clear, if I was in Lucas' shoes when he was developing TCW, would I have gone with the outfit he did for Ahsoka? No, I definitely wouldn't have, because the impracticality of it galls me to my core. But I can understand his reasoning, and I think it is believable that there are idiot teenagers who would dress and act exactly like Ahsoka did.
@@rmartinson19 I feel like you’re relying too much on “this is what some kids are like irl” and not enough on “we can see from [insert examples from TCW] that it makes sense Ahsoka would do this”. As I said before, “wanting to stand out” is something I could see in Ahsoka. But “rebelling for the sake of rebelling” or “sticking it to the prudes” I cannot. And, while I personally think she’s a complete moron, the narrative wants us to believe she’s smarter than most, so it doesn’t make sense that she’s SO stupid she’d choose to keep wearing that outfit in a warzone.
“that ball was definitely in his court and he most definitely dropped it.’”
But why would Lucas/Filoni allow him to argue with her about the way she’s dressed when they *wanted* her dressed that way to show her “immaturity”? (Not to mention, a man telling a young girl to change into something more appropriate would likely receive a lot of backlash, regardless of how reasonable the order was under the circumstances… but I digress.) My point is that claiming Anakin is a bad person because his character wasn’t allowed to have a logical reaction doesn’t seem a very fair argument.
“That is the EXACT level of stupid all too many of them are.”
(You clearly grew up in a very different environment than I did.)
But again, you’re pulling from “irl teens”, which I assume is referring to relatively spoiled North American teens. But that’s not a fair comparison. A better comparison would be to look at teens from war torn countries where they’re forced to face mortality on a regular basis. I think it's reasonable to doubt you’d see an irl child soldier choosing to wear a tank top and miniskirt into battle. So why does Ahsoka?
“She's too self-centered to have ever made a good Jedi… the Jedi Council was backed into a corner and acted on the best information available to them… Ahsoka is the worst kind of failure…”
100% agree! 👏👏👏
“I think it is believable that there are idiot teenagers who would dress and act exactly like Ahsoka did.”
This is what I mean when I say you’re looking at this the wrong way around: what Ahsoka does shouldn’t be believable because “idiot teenagers exist irl”, it should be believable for reasons that are specific to and logical within her character establishment and story setting. And I just don’t see that given in TCW.
Ahsoka should NOT get a 2nd season. The abuse and misuse of the actors/actresses is horrible!! Fakeloni is a turnip-level Plagiarist, at best who is way, way too fixated on his Ahsoka-fetish...which is creepy, to say the least.
Fakeloni should be investigated, there's something about him that's very seriously disturbing...he's hiding something, I think we all sense that.
As to SW? Fakeloni knows NOTHING about Star Wars.
It's funny people say they need to wait for season 2 to see what the outcome of season 1 is..if season 1 doesn't stand on it's own and tell enough of it's OWN story, there will NEVER be a season 2. I'm not even intrigued at the possibility of season 2 because season 1 did absolutely nothing for me.
@@MarkHoltze 100% Agreed, completely and really good point!!
So... The powerful independent WhamMen endangered a whole universe and are proud of it. Karma is leaving Ahsoka and Saw-Bean isolated and in bedded with crabs 🦀.
No, it didn't fall apart at the end. It was garbage from the start. I'm predicting that Ahsoka pulls Anakin out of the "World Between Worlds" at some point into their timeline so the Filoni stans can die in orgasmic bliss. I feel bad for Hayden. Love that he's getting the love he deserves- because it was *never* his performance that was the problem in the prequels, it was *always* George's writing- but I'm sad he's being used for Filoni's awful fanfiction.
Some scenes would have been helpful:
Ezra telling the others what happened in Peridea, how Thrawns ship and crew got damaged, how Thrawn met the nightsisters.
Ezra getting angry about Sabine and her actions.
Ahsoka and the others using the head of the asassinator droid with the bomb to lure Thrawn Into a trap. They disguise it as Huyangs head and let Thrawn believe that he can find out about the secrets of the jedi. It explodes before he reaches Dathomir and Thrawn has to salvage whats left of his ship, crew and cargo.
Baylan and Shin not splitting up but he telling her what these statues are and what he hopes to find there.
But i still wonder, because nothing we see here or in the Mandalorian is to be seen in the sequels, except the ex-imperials trying to get together and the republic denying the possibility of that.
I really have pity and heart for people who watched this show expecting good things. RUclipsrs are doing the lord's work
I only continued to watch it for Baylan and Shin. I find it hilarious that the show is about Ahsoka and the two best characters are Baylan and Shin. As a matter of fact, I found Morgan Elsbeth a better character than Ahsoka. I would say that Huyang was a better character than Ahsoka. I really didn't see the purpose of Hera Syndulla really, but she was a better character than Ahsoka as well. So here we have it, five characters are more interesting than who is supposed to be the main character.
@@usveteran9893 the writing and plot of direction was lacking, character's are only as smart or interesting as their writers. Dave Felony is not talented enough to do so, I now suspect he isn't the creator of Ahsoka
@@gamepitchway3500 I get you! 😁
@@usveteran9893 i can't believe they just got cast aside for the finale
I was so excited by Episodes 5 and 6
Episode 7 was an underwhelming disappointment and the finale kind of shit the bed for me.
I was getting anxious the whole time, waiting to see more of Baylan and Shin (2 characters with the best chemistry, mind you), only to get utterly blue balled in the final moments.
Also, here's a few questions regarding Ezra's escape:
-How did Ezra manage to steal a shuttle from THRAWN, without being caught taking one of the few ships/resources he has left on the Chimaera?
-If Thrawn was aware of the shuttle's departure, did he just not care? When he had already lost soldiers and a few ships chasing after them on Peridea
-How tf did Ezra know where the New Republic fleet was???
-Why wouldn't the New Republic have blown him out of the sky?
-Why didn't they ask him for clearance codes, or identification? So he could do a face reveal? Really??
-Why would they have let a random shuttle dock in the hangar of their command ship? Pretty sure that didn't go too well for them the last time... even when they DID receive a clearance code.
Kind of pissed with Filoni for totally sticking the landing on this one.
all the relevant questions you have don't matter because it happened off screen, so it's like a "get out of jail free" card.
The ship Ezra stole was Baylan and Shin's ship and the last time that landed on a new republic cruiser claiming to have jedi onboard, alot of people died, why on earth didnt they blow him up the second he made contact or shoot him dead whilst he was still wearing stormtrooper armor?
I liked when Sabine reunited with Ezdra after 10 years and it was the most dry and unemotional scene ever lol... She risked the whole f**king galaxy for a guy she acts like it means nothing when they see each other. It's really laughable. I talked about it with a friend and ended up writing a giant text pointing out all of the inconsistencies i caught in the script just scratching the surface. If i look deeper i'm sure i can find many more. Andor is the best Star Wars show by far. Andor had the most dificult job of them all. They had a character that no one gave two shits about, and they managed do write a very tight script, nice dialogs, a real character arc, make people seem real and with palpable motivations etc. And Ahsoka, Boba Fett, Obi Wan who are beloved characters had terrible scripts, terrible dialogs. Its really incredible how Disney are managing to be so incompetent with SW.
The script was so poorly written that they made plot holes within single episodes. They show us Sabine being let go to locate Ezra and Baylan and Shin following her. In episode 7, Shin reveals Ezra's location to Thrawn but then we see the Great mothers being able to pinpoint Ahsoka's location in an asteroid field so accurately that they can bombard her position. Why didn't they locate Ezra that way instead of sending an armed mandalorian to locate him. They let her keep his Saber for crying out loud, if Ezra took it, 2 squads of troopers wouldn't have been enough anymore. Thrawn made Ezra 10x more of a threat for no reason.
@@janoslambert-cannon7146 good point. The Great Mothers could have located Ezdra easily lol. Never thought about that one.
I really loved the animated shows, and honestly after Kenobi I was pretty much done with Star Wars, but Ahsoka is one of if not my favorite characters so I watched this. It’s hard to believe she’s the same woman who defeated maul as a teenager. Who was a general in the clone wars. She was flat, criticized Sabine as a Jedi even though she isn’t fully trained. It’s like she forgot all of the massive mistakes she made, all of the deaths on her hands when she made bad choices in the clone wars. Sabine absolutely made the wrong call and should have been punished for it like Ahsoka was when she was young. And if they’re bad, Ezra was worse. He might as well have been a cardboard cut out. Frustrating too cause the actor was perfect, he looks just like ezra. And thrawn might have been the biggest disappointment imo. His “strategies” barely made sense, every call he made seemed like the wrong one, he’s supposed to be the strategist of all strategists, but imo he was boring. I don’t want to keep watching a franchise I love being ruined.
Kind of goes to show you how much an animator brings to a character. Voice performers as well, the animator and the voice actor work so closely together, it's almost outside of the directors influence. Dave might have rode the coat tails of his strong animation and voice talent team. I work as a film editor, went to post secondary school at the biggest animation school in the country and lived with 5 animators. They're for the most part very introverted, but almost ALL of their form of expression comes through their drawings, their work. They might be quiet people, but they're observing, always observing and of course they'll get none of the credit.
Dave F got too much credit by the look of his live action stuff.
@@MarkHoltze I agree completely. I’ve thought since her first appearance in live action that not having Ashley eckstein as Ashoka was a mistake. A big mistake. I understand she doesn’t look a lot like Ashoka, but so much make up is used for her character does it really matter? Not to mention the impact Ashley eckstein has had on Star Wars and the sci-if community at large with her universe. And she’s always the first to say she’s just one part of a team that brings Ashoka to life. And apparently that team was really missing here. I was really hoping for better, and Lucasfilm, and Filoni really let us down. Pretty consistently they’ve let us down again and again in live action. The animated releases from Disney have been pretty okay. Rebels. Tales of the Jedi. Some of the bad batch was honestly really good, too. Although many episodes were terribly juvenile. I don’t know how the clone wars, a kids show, always managed to have such depth, but that depth has really been missing from this live action Star Wars.
It was such lazy writing with having Ezra just do nothing on peridea, imagine how much more interesting if Sabine went all that way only for Ezra to have a greater purpose on the planet and isn't able to leave. I think the only way for anything to be salvaged next season is for something to big to happen to Sabine directly or have something happen to Ezra that emotionally destroys her, like him dying or getting seriously hurt in a war she started but didn't partake in. She needs to suffer either directly or through extreme guilt to make her character even slightly salvageable, tbh giving Sabine the force was the final nail in the coffin for me.
@@janoslambert-cannon7146 The idea that Ezra was doing basically nothing on a mostly deserted planet for years is the most terrible follow up to Rebels. That Sabine can be first obsessed with finding Ezra then have a mundane dry reunion where she doesnt talk to him is a jarring disconnect. I really feel that if you are objective about the plot and characters and ignore weather or not it is animated, Rebels has better writing then all these Disney+ made shows. That really baffles me. Who the heck was in the writers room on Rebels besides Filoni? Get them back.
@@YTAG33 Ezra was once a brave teen who messed with the empire before he could use the force and was only armed with a non lethal slingshot but now he is a jedi who just twiddles his thumbs for a decade whilst Thrawn is clearly up to no good with powerful witches. Yet Thrawn who keeps telling Elsbeth to not underestimate a lone jedi like a broken record, has not gone after Ezra or tried to kill him. He only tries to kill Ezra when he can use Sabine to lure him out yet he lets her keep all of her weapons knowing she will use them to kill his forces and could have possibly give the saber back to Ezra making him a far greater threat. And then in the same f***ing episode they show that Thrawn could have just asked the greatmothers to pinpoint his exact with magick and he could have sent stormtroopers to take out the unarmed jedi with overwhelming numbers like the clones did to wipe out the entire jedi order. How did they make such a massive plot hole within one episode, the script and plot was so poorly checked over that they missed this.
I personally think Ezra should have stayed on Peridea to deal with Baylan and Shin whilst Ahsoka and Sabine went back to the main galaxy to deal with Thrawn and aid the new republic. This firstly allows Sabine to take responsibility for her mistake and make amends. Story wise it makes alot more sense as Ezra should know Peridea like the back of his hand and knows the local language. He is also the perfect person to help Shin as he is the only living jedi who used the darkside for an extended period of time (he learnt from a sith holocron for 6 months and learnt sith techniques like mind control instead of less invasive mind trick), he has faced the demons Shin currently has. His greatest skill according to Filoni was connecting with others and seeing past people's exteriors allowing him to befriend pirates and the clones despite others distrust in them, so him not just seeing Shin as a sith would fit his character, Ezra even tried to befriend Maul (ended poorly but the point stands).
Ahsoka and Sabine are far more capable of aiding the new republic in a large scale war considering they both have experience leading large armies (Ahsoka led clone armies and Sabine led her clan into battle whilst she stayed on krownest) whereas Ezra has only ever led small groups of rebels in guerilla warfare. Also Sabine and Ahsoka have a far better connection to Bo Katan than Ezra making it easier to tie in the mandalorian s4 into the Heir to the empire if they are around. Ezra also has a link to the mortis gods considering he connected to both the daughter and son to open and close the WBWs. Ezra having no involvement in the mortis arc makes no sense. They could still have Ahsoka be the one to kill Abeloth in the end, maybe her and Sabine go searching for the mortis dagger in the main galaxy whilst Ezra just ensures she isn't freed until then by Baylan (I'm 90% the threat on peridea is an imprisoned Abeloth). Just my thoughts on a plot that actually has Ezra do something on peridea and has Sabine fix her mistakes.
I gave Ahsoka a 4... OUT OF 30!
I would take Andor dissecting Star Wars themes over flashing lights and distractions. Because all the ideas Filoni introduces and does nothing with is frustrating to watch. A waste of millions of dollars.
I'd love to know how much of the animation Filoni actually wrote, because if this is how he functions alone, he shouldn't be allowed to write anything by himself.
Also, we can't ask for better for female characters while Filoni is out here giving them bad writing and gratuitous ass shots. I am not a fan.
Given all the demands the writers strike wanted, I dont think anyone writes anything "alone" at Disney etc.
It all seems to need to go through committee and have to tick all the boxes etc. That said if hes the sole writer on the credits etc, then he gets the acclaim / criticism.
You make a fair point, but like you said, there aren't even additional writers credited on imdb, so it's. all on him.@@DavidWalker1987
Took the words right out of my mouth. Well done sir.
Filoni fans aren't just rolling around the sand castle, they're eating the shit in the corner too.
Star Wars youtubers are legit wasting hours of their lives making dumbass theories about what will happen next 😂
Filoni is an ideas guy, not a writer. You have him come up with an idea, a theme, maybe a big plot point or cool character, then you let the actual writers take over and make a narrative out of it all.
All the characters in this Dismal Disney show are wet farts. Except one. The best actor on the show.
You nailed it! It’s basically what you said at the end, fans aren’t having the same conversation… some are critically questioning the storyline while others are just “anakin!!!! And ezra!!!! And look mortis! Anakin is the father ashoka the daughter this is incredible!!!!” Stfu none of that shit is implied!
the ones just happy to see the characters they remember are not an audience you want to build a show around. IT's as superficial as they come, great for reaction memes and maybe youtube shorts...but there needs to be WAY more depth to the story if they want to make something that stands the test of time. What is going on with Disney lately, they're floundering on all fronts, their purchased IP's and even their own stuff.
Great video man. I’m glad you aren’t one of those RUclipsrs who blindly hate everything as it gives you more credibility when you do critique something. But anyway If you watch show like House of the Dragon or Severance, you know what good writing, character arcs, and action are supposed to look like and Ahsoka just didn’t have it. I actually think that if Tiny Gilroy or his team were given a project like this then it would be great. Maybe Filoni and Gilroy could even work together.
With Tony and his crew there is no need of Filoni. Tony is a high talented director/writer with 4 or 5 more writers/directors with him on the team as good as him. Filoni dosent have place there. IMO I just want Disney hires more writers directors like Tony and less, much less like Filoni. Who knows, maybe Filoni can learn and be better in the future, but as of right now he is mediocre at best.
Sigh... I liked Ahoska character from the Clone Wars, so I was looking for a passionate, kind, and ready-to-fight character in this show but I got stoicism and hand folding almost all the time. No characters get consequences of their action! Sabine should be reprimanded as hell for what she did. Hera should have been demoted from her rank by disobeying a director order from the whole New Republic Council. Ahsoka has no character arc like other characters. The New Republic is incompetent as hell even though they have so much evidence that Imperials were preparing something BIG. All Disney Star Wars shows on Disney+ are only here to justify the existence of the sequel trilogy with the worst SW movie "Rise of Skywalker. Speaking of the sunken cost fallacy, right?
What extremely poor to mediocre writing. I laughed my ass off when I saw the space shuttle crawling over the crab people when our characters were in a "hurry" to stop Thrawn in the last episode. Now becoming a Jedi is like unlocking a skill in a game when you grind long enough. This was the show that determined if the hope for Disney Star Wars was lost for me. I'm done with Star Wars for good. I will not be wasting my time.
What a shame what they did to the character of Ahsoka and the entire Star Wars franchise. One positive thing that came from it, I'm interested in reading the books where Thrawn came from to find out what a force he was to reckon with.
I recommend the the 20th anniversary audiobook Heir to the Empire too if you can’t find the time to read, the audio narrator is Marc Thompson.
A republic council who wants to control every admiral for sending out a recon mission with a handful of fighters is insane. The only one involvef would be military command and usually an admiral has either troops or the ability to tap in resources. The sebate was fan service to show known figure heads and give C3PO a nomsense job.
Wellllll, Ahsoka was never "kind"
She never even had moments of kindness, she had moments that looked kind, but weren't. And that too is only because the plot needed it, so people will love her.
e-ehh?... in that one episode where Ahsoka was on the run she saved a child while being under that intense pressure. If that don't scream kindness I don't know what dosen't, n what about that episode (or episodes) with those trandoshans? Even in Rebels she was an incredibly kind woman, she was more stoic yeah, but stoic in a good way, it didn't ruin the character, and you could still feel that way ahsoka, especially when she fought Vader. In this show? Ahsoka was as rock dead as any poorly written fan fiction protaganist, her face barely moved. Got to the point where I sometimes just got pissed off by looking at her, I straight up just stopped watching after episode 5, tbh the only r eason why I did watch is because Anakin was in it and I wanted to see Hayden christenes and see them interact, but while Hayden's acting was good, the scene was very.... i don't even know where to begin with that scene, it's just a bunch of special effects stacked upon eachother to make things look cool, the plot, story, none of it makes sense.@@ECSOrder66
@@somerandomskywalker9854 No, the child saved her, because she was too stupid to understand how elevators works, and almost got them both killed. You mean the episode (episodes) where she attacks the Trandoshan father, and kills him, without even a little bit of empathy afterward? I admit that she was very kind in trying to tell Vader that she won't leave him again, but this is what I'm talking about: It looks like she's being kind, but then later on (This show) She says she's not here to discuss her past with such bitterness in her voice, as if she's mad people keep calling her out on that, when she should instead be feeling incredibly guilty, wow Ahsoka, your guilt and pain for abandoning Anakin.... it's practically non-existent. She's not inherently kind, she acts kind for one scene, and then stops acting kind immediately after. Humans do not work that way. If they have guilt for something that they did, they express that guilt. Her feeling guilty in Rebels is entirely meaningless because she doesn't keep that with her. Her guilt for what happened mysteriously vanished off-screen, and it's not a compelling or believable change.
Andor ruined my standards lol. All the other shows just look like kiddy fun time now. I wish they would take Star Wars seriously again. It's always been a series with a wacky exterior but took itself seriously within its world. Consistency and continuity are out the window now.
One of my biggest criticisms of Ahsoka has been that for someone new coming in, they have no reason to fear Thrawn. Yeah, he’s smart, but we haven’t seen him be a tactical genius yet. Add a line where Hera talks about how he destroyed rebellion fleet or even see him in his element would’ve done so much for the show in my opinion.
To repeat the line of "HeelsvsBabyface": "WHAT EMOTION ARE YOU FEELING?". Gods, so many faces I wondered... what the heck are you feeling? Like everyone swallowed too much Valium. They looked so bored so much of the time.
Already in the very beginning, Ahsoka in a sort of temple, very slowly turning columns, a vague, stoic expression, no context. Just "get the item" like in a cheap video game, and I had a bad feeling about this.
"Let's have these dark jedi we introduce as ruthless where when things get going they will disappear. "
The most depressing thing about all of this is I didn't know Ray Stevenson died. I loved him back in the day on ROME. A much better show btw
This show was a sad, sad flop.
The characters traveled 10 million light years to a complete new galaxy, and how do they use that? They create a desert planet that is basically a carbon copy of Tatooine.
To be fair I’m sure Dave’s initial script or shots might have been changed so much that it is no longer his. Remember Kennedy is an exec producer and they have to run this past various departments to check that there is enough.diversity and no feelings are hurt. He doesn’t write the checks so I’m sure he has to sacrifice a LOT to get this made. Makes me wonder how they were so lenient with Andor
Because there is no cheking box in the first place or not as tht big as people thing it is. Many people are now trowing all the guilt on KK, but this mediocre story or atempt at story was writen and directed by Filoni. Andor proves that professionals with talent and care can do the work under Disney, and yes Andor do has some bits of inclusion, HELL Vel and Cinta are lesbians. But the point is that Tony and his crew got the complete goal of telling a good consistent story with real characters. Filony cant do any of this, he didnt write any of Clone Wars or Mandalorian, and in Rebel he was only director. So no, this entire failed show was all Filoni.
Why do I get the feeling you just want to be able to blame a woman and "SJWs" for how bad this show is? Literally nothing in this show can be blamed on diversity stuff, it's all technical stuff that lies with David Filoni. Seems like you really have different priorities.
I rate Star Wars: A Filoni fanfiction story a astounding 2.5/10
One of many things that made me angry about the show is that it seems Disney, and Dave of all people, have learned nothing from Rey. Say what you want about Sabine being “trained” by Ahsoka and Kanin but there is no way she should be that good with the force and lightsaber that quickly. All it took was a deathtrooper holding her up and she could: 1. pull a saber to her 2. Block bolts without looking and 3. Push Ezra across that massive gap.
Not even 2 episodes ago she was struggling to swing, struggling to force pull a cup, and failed to push Shin. Filoni might just be a fraud who is using the success of the CW as a crutch. We don’t talk about that man’s love for Ahsoka either, completely obsessed he is.
Edit: one more thing: Filoni didn’t take inspiration from LOTR, he literally ripped it off. Ahsoka wore grey clothing, fell off a bridge, then came back with white clothing.
This season's The Real Housewives with Laser Swords was boring AF
I would like to add that in episode 8 Thrawn had no reason to be on the planet at all. He was just docking with the inter-galactic space sphincter, that they could have done in orbit... so yeah, bad writing.
Why not tho weren’t they loading their equipment from the witches fort to the ship witch is why they were trying to hold them off from reaching the ship so they could load everything
@@pjorozco8337 ... They completed it episode 7. He just stayed there for dumb plot reasons. The ONLY way they could win is by getting on the ship yet he chose to keep it on the ground. It's incredibly stupid
Now I want a cinnamon bun! I didn't watch the show, but I'd like to express my gratitude to you for your dedication to informing your viewers how ghastly it all is.
I think any "fan" who claims they love it has received some sort of compensation. I'm talking about the ones whose recorded reactions were disturbingly over the top. How much more wildly enthusiastic could they have appeared if they watched "Empire strikes back"on opening night when Vader says, "Luke, I am your non- birthing parent."
Or else they have a really bad case of Stockholm-Syndrome-Adjacent-Disease. That's for people who are so desperate to re-capture the magic that instead of rewatching the old stuff they loved, they insist on watching stuff and pretending it's adequate.
Thanks for the video! 🙏🤔🍿
Oh... 100%
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As someone that knows people that enjoyed it and also having enjoy the thing myself the compensation is mostly see more of the good characters we like, and see those in other format. I know is simple and you can say “conformistic” but is true. For some people that have being following these characters for years it was very rewarding to watch them in a different light. The scenes of Ashoka and Haiden etc… I honestly loved those. But the plot of the series was very lacking and I am very aware of that. Baylan and Shin were so interesting and we didn’t learn anything about them. Sabine should have had a better development.
Also, I am aware of the main problem of this series. The series was not really done for the general audience. It was trying to hook people into watch the animated shows. I am a very huge fan of the animated shows… but doing a show that is destined to be enjoyable only if you watched the animated shows is a terrible strategy and is actually bad overall.
I am not trying to contradict your opinion, is more like explaining why it had that effect in some people. The actors were fine, the quality of a few scenes and the characterization of some characters. There were stuff to enjoy for some people, is all what I am saying.
@@MoRPho151 thank you very much for your polite and thorough reply! You may absolutely feel free to contradict my opinion. I’m glad you provided me with a different perspective than I had seen before.
What is extra frustrating is how good the show could have been given the potential of the characters.
I’m glad you enjoyed the animated shows! 🙏😎
I didn’t hate it but I agree with most of the things you’re talking about.
On a basic and emotional level I was happy to see Rebels characters again and I am a sucker for mysticism, magic and lore, Etc.
The bottom line for me is that I think we need Filoni in Star Wars for story, knowledge and his respect for George but there needs to be help with the writing and directing.
I am not condemning him bc he made some mistakes.
I am truly grateful for him and I think he’s humble and may continue to learn.
As you said, we need people to oversee or take over the main writing and directing duties. Let Dave be there each step of the way and they can work as a team.
Ashoka is literally Gandalf
If only the people who made Andor were in charge of all Star Wars live action for the rest of eternity... At least then there might be some character development, some intensity that actually mattered, and we could have a sense of hope for the future that there was some "good Star Wars" forthcoming.
Filoni is walking in Lucas footprints. Neat “idea” with poor storytelling, writing and directing.
My second video of yours and once again you're spot on. What an overall let down. Too bad Filoni or Disney won't listen or course correct.
While I didn't watch the series, my intro to actually seeing Thrawn was in 1994 when he appeared in the TIE Fighter game. I'm ancient enough to remember this special offer of buying the book with Micro Machine figures, so there were Thrawn figures (and other EU figures) at one time. When I saw the unveiling of Thrawn for this show, I just figured it was a throwback to the character's original look.
I clapped when I saw Anakin because I know who he is.
It was written and produced like an episode of a Saturday morning cartoon meant for kids (mostly girls and young women).
Good review, but I must point out that it was George Lucas who chose Ahsoka's first TCW outfit (if I recall correctly). But yeah, people think Filoni is the chosen one, when he's just not great
Pretty disappointed in the direction Disney star wars has gone with the IP. But can't say I didn't expect it. Filoni is a hack whose in love with himself an his own characters. Honestly this show was written so badly that my intelligence is insulted 😂
I had high hopes for Disney Star Wars, Force Awakens was "okay" but I really liked Rogue One, Last Jedi, Solo and TLS broke my heart though. Solo less, but Solo didn't need to be made and Ford is just too iconic to replace so soon I think, especially after you just killed him in Awakens. Mando season 1 was alright, it confirmed Star Wars could work as a tv series live action. I enjoyed the climax and build of season 2 as well but Kenobi.....MESS, Mando season 3? MESSES! This??? I think I'm done. I have zero emotion watching these shows now and the one thing I can say i that I re-watched episode 1-3 again and despite their flaws ENJOYED them. They told a story, the music was epic, the battle scenes were massive in scale. The light saber duels were glorious and the Force hadn't QUITE gone full super hero level.
Anyway sorry to write an essay. Long way to say I agree!
I started watching the SW cartoons to catch up to all these new series that pretty much continue them. It is shocking how bad the writing can be if it cant surpass writing from a cartoon for kids/teens
The Good,
The Bad,
and the Filoni XD
The writers should be charged with a Filoni
Thrawn looks terrible. He's supposed to be so intimidating, yet he's an older, blue Pee Wee Herman with a beer gut 🤦🏽♀️
i wonder if there someday will be someone in charge at disney who is like:
"you know what? lets do something REALLY crazy... how about produce something good for once? just once"
My sentiments exactly! Frank Capra once said there are no rules in filmmaking, only sins - and the cardinal sin is dullness. And this show was the definition of dull. And to make the SWU dull takes effort, but Filoni nailed it.
Thrawn failed at everything he tried to get Ahsoka and for 10 years against Ezra
After watching this bland and unwitty writing and boring storytelling, it makes me really appreciate and greatly look forward to season two of House of the Dragon
Glad more people are starting to see the phony Filoni is and that channels like this exist to expose it. Never have been a fan of his since the beginning though I gave him a few clone wars seasons to try. Failoni's work is a crime against Star Wars...perhaps a Felony...he deserves nothing less than to have his work ripped apart since that's all he's done to other people's work in Star Wars. I wish for nothing less than continued failure so that he may one day be kicked to the curb unceremoniously.
Thank you for spreading the message that his work is not what it's cracked up to be.
Thanks for the objective review.
It can't possibly be as bad as Wheel of Prime.
Of course not.
Wheel of woke is pretty bad
I watched with a friend who didn’t watch any of the animated shows. Just the movies and and Disney + shows so far. And his disappointment once the last episode ended said it all for me. I wanted to like this series but it just wasn’t good.
While the room has a lot of elephants, I’m very willing to forgive #1 slow initial pacing. Ahsoka was a lesser-known character who had a long history. The case for exposition was very difficult because the only thing new was the circumstances. The “Mandalorian” was an all-new character and was an exposition bonanza. He was introduced by way of archetype 40 years ago through Boba Fett in one of the most popular installments of Star Wars. The big elephant was the passing of Ray Stevenson. Without a lot of foreknowledge of how to deal with his passing, developing him or hanging some kind of plot armor on his character represented an almost insurmountable problem. I would love to see what of his scenes were left out because of his passing. I’m sure it reorganized the show in a big way as a result. I’m heartsick for his passing. I LOVED what he did in the show. He looked on the verge of becoming a 3 dimensional character but yanked back by the fear of the producers regarding how to fill his role going forward.
Thank you for This Video! The Shills Talking big about this show is a Disgrace
Ashoka holding her lightsabers backwards, is SO ridiculous. You have no strength or control like that. They did the same thing with Galadriel in Rings of Power. Stupid.
They keep undoing anything that happens at the end of every Star Wars movie and show. Mando gives up grogu…gets him back before the next season. Vader kills the emperor…he’s back in episode 9… Ezra sacrifices himself to keep Thrawn away from the galaxy… Sabine brings him back with Thrawn…. LUke finally becomes a Jedi master…. Needs to learn how to be a Jedi again from a girl who knows nothing about Jedi
That's why Ahsoka have a turn off botton in the name show.
Horrible writing is definitely the trend over the last 10 years. I've heard an explanation for it that makes a great deal of sense - we now have generations of people who have grown up with little social interaction outside of the internet and their tiny circle of friends, which is causing a profoundly stunted worldview. Melville spent 6 years at sea which enabled him to write Moby Dick. Hemingway experienced World War I which enabled him to write Farewell to Arms. What have modern writers done besides writing scripts at the local Starbucks? As a result, the situations and dialogue they write will more closely resemble the internet discussions they have had, rather than actual interpersonal dialogue and development. This definitely explains why I find myself thinking "I wouldn't do or say that in that situation" more and more when I watch the way characters behave. Plots can be bad and poorly thought out, but the real problem is that characters aren't behaving like real, mature adults, and the situations they are put in are unreal.
I rated the series 1 out of 10. Mainly for the reasons discussed here. Lack of pace, no character development, ludicrously stupid villains, boring heroes, and a sense that of you were not in Rebels club, this was not for you, because there seems to be a bunch of in jokes. Last, a sense of wasted potential. I kept rooting for Balin and Shrin as they seemed to have a different agenda, but they split them up with story arcs that went nowhere. By contrast the story arc for Sabine was so awful, and so dull, and so unresolved I was angry wondering how such poor writing and directing could get green lit.
They did my boy Thrawn wrong as a reader of all "legends" who started with the Heir trilogy of books and Thrawn became one of my favorite characters in Star wars lore. This show did my boy wrong. 😔
Well other then Obi Wan which was the worst the Ashoka show was the biggest disappointment closely followed by the Mandaloran season 3 and Boba Fett. Ashoka was so bad it actually ruined the Rebels show because it directly ties into it, just like the last Jedi ruined anything good the Force awakens had going for it.
Hollywood and Disney don't even remember what the point of storytelling is.
Lol I just realized your channel name is a riff on WeightWatchers. Nice. Btw great video!
I feel like Dave Filoni is just a kid playing with all of his action figures by just smashing them together, but with a multimillion dollar budget
You nailed it.
Direction was bad (bad directors)
Ahsoka is so slow compared to what she use to be. The light saber choreography was like a 10 year old did the fight scenes.
Thrawn became a parody of himself.
Badly written, the best thing in it was Baylan.
And it just went no where.....boring as f
I wanted to love this show but after the first few episodes is was clear the writing was awful. I think Dave can create great ideas, he just needs a proper writing team to put it all together.
U said Sabine saved Ezra❔From what, Ezra was literally chilling with TURTLE'S 👀 & Thrown still couldn't catch him!!! 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
For the finale - all they had to do is have Huyang say "Calculating Thrawns departure time.. putting it on main viewer" and flash the count down occasionally to create tension to get their butts moving. Agree with your assessment 100%
One thing i hated is they did the countdown until the enemy departs twice, in episode 4 and in episode 8. Atleast in episode 4 it made some tension but the execution of it the finale was just stupid. They show Thrawn being confident they won't make it and then immediately show us him being wrong, great way to set up the supposedly greatest tactician in the galaxy.
he was given the keys to a castle that was already stepped on by jar jar and johnson
Dave Filoni made star wars another generic object based fetch quest series. Star wars used to be an ethereal quest for peace/balance.
Couldn’t agree more. I really wanted this to be good, alas, it was not.
His name is General Blueberry YAWN in Dismal Disneyland.
Rosario Dawson would make a great late 1940s, New Orleans / bayou prostitute. I think she was born to play a role like that. But as a Jedi Knight / Master, she's more bland than Wallpaper Paste flavored baby food. Her range stretches from kind of uninterested to mildly uninterested. That's it. If you're into that kind of acting, I'm sure she's your gal. But for me, I'll quote Bill the Cat, "Pfft! Blehh!"
As an Ahsoka Tano AND Rebels fan, this show was a walking DISASTER. There were OBVIOUS opportunities for story and character development, like Anakin's rage and desire for revenge paralleling what Sabine probably felt after the Purge of Mandalore, and how Ahsoka could have had to grapple with her apprentice seemingly following in Anakin's footsteps. The amount of character development that could have sprouted BY ITSELF in a character who never finished her Jedi training is already huge, and that's just one example. But no, let's brush over that to go find Ezra I guess.
Here’s another reason why this whole series no longer works in its current timeline: it fundamentally doesn’t matter. We know Thrawn doesn’t win, because we’ve seen a future where he is completely vanished. There are no stakes. They could’ve left it as it was, or gone into a different galaxy where it’s a FarScape situation with entirely new implications and Thrawn as the big bad there, but nooo. Thrawns gotta come back and restart the empire that is going to fail and become the First Order which, shocker, will also fail.
I think my biggest problem was how this show required you to watch two shows in order to understand what’s happening and who these people are. As opposed to something like Andor where you don’t even need to watch Rogue One to get into the world or the characters.
it wasn't even true to the animated shows with the amount of offscreen plot that was so poorly explained.