Theory: The "Cat Vault" was actually more of an "Animal Husbandry Vault". It took in people who considered themselves animal-lovers, and as many pet owners as they could possibly arrange for. It was only equipped with enough food to feed the occupants and their pets for a decade at the most. Not accounting for offspring. The goal of the experiment was to see if the dwellers would start eating their own pets, and breeding them for food, in order to survive. If this were included in the game, it could explain the presence of both cats and healthy dogs. Though it would be nice to see the cats changed to look like they've been bred as livestock. Big fat Maine Coons selectively bred for size, posing an actual threat in the wasteland.
Vault theory apart (and not takin fallout 76 in count). Maybe cats are spies from the Institute ? OK hear me out : - Cats are the only animals that doesn't have a single mutated version (unlike dogs rats ...) - Cats only seemed to appear around Boston (as we didn't have them in the previous Fallout) - The Institute knows how to clone animals, they already have several cloned animals - It would also explain why Mr House said they disappeared Also it would be a great easter eggs as Americans had a plan for a surveillance cat during the cold war
@Jason Jones I find it more likely that some cats were in one or more vaults as pets. a vault that Mr didn't know about. Maybe even Vault 81 since there was a cat in there anyway. 81 seems to have opened up some time before, long enough to establish a trader network. Some of the cats might have gotten out and repopulated in that time. (I ignore 76)
Perhaps the cats in Fo4 are synthetic cats, made by the Institute while the Fo76 cats are cats who survived the Great War, and between those two games, they went extinct but were "Jurassic Parked" back to life.
Billy actually did confirm that he hid before the war Saying that he was walking home when he heard sirens and then there was a massive rumbling noise as said in his dialogue
Todd wouldn't accept that because his videos never crashed or bugged and I don't have to fix them myself. They just work with many times the detail. Oh wait, that sounds familiar.
In the Far Harbor DLC, the Children of Atom explain that many of them are born completely immune to radiation. The ones that aren't immune but still wish to worship Atom are why the Rad-X and Radaway are horded by their members. They explain this while you're repairing their decontamination chamber so it blows out radiation instead of curing it.
The whole "Mr House said cats went extinct" thing I imagine is just him referring to the area he is in, he could have absolutely no idea that they're still around outside of New Vegas.
I thought The Children of Atom were just individuals with a natural semi-immunity to radiation. In essence, it's natural selection. Those that survive long enough become members and raise in the ranks.
Well if you complete a quest for some member of the nucleus in the Far harbor DLC (don't remember the name of the quest) you will hear that some members are born with "atoms gift" that makes them 100% immune to radiation and some members are not. The quest where you learn this is given to you by one of the more... sane members of the children so I would consider it "canon" if you will. I also think you have to remember that the universe of fallout does follow the same "laws" of nature as the real world. In my opinion if you dig deep Bethesda has basically hidden a bunch of evidance that shows that The Children Of Atom are just a bunch of deranged cult members that some happen to have a mutation that makes them immune to radiation and they use that a much more as "evidence" of atom. This seems to be obvious at first but can take some serious digging to actually back up.
@@loveblanket6512 Actually, we haven't been able to prove that we can't gain a semi or full immunity to radiation. People can become immune to disease and poison if they survive the encounter, so why not to the isotopes that would poison us from radiation? Cells can be immune to outside forces that would affect them on a cellular level, and even your shotgun point isn't fully true... As eventually, one may survive, and if they mate with someone who had survived, they can possibly start an evolution line of humans that can survive shotgun blasts to the brain through the mouth, then eventually after a long time of dealing with that, they may gain a full immunity. The roof of the mouth hardening up, skull becoming harder, other shit.
Theory about Billy: The long term memories of Billy and his parents are all destroyed by radiation. Thus, Billy gets stuck in the fridge any time he hides from frantic fighting in Quincy, while his parents forget where he hides. They don't know how long he's been gone, and Billy can't tell day from night in the fridge.
Bethesda isn't the only gaming company to do this.... if a 2 games share an engine, and a somewhat similar art style, assets are going to be exchanged.
Because in Fallout 4 the protagonist is the chosen one, the Sole Beggar destined to lead a hobo cult and they already had those textures, so why change it if it just works?
I have to add another turning point for the covenant theory. One that makes it add up more. McCready gets happy with you when to enter covenant. And for anyone who doesn't know, McCready was a kid from fallout 3 who was president of Little Lamplight. Really adds to the vault 101 theory
No, no, no. Vault-Tec cannot do anything good. The cats must be genetically altered to no longer pur or something. Cannot have Vault-Tec do something good, after all.
i like the idea of a vault for cats, one for dogs too, otherwise where do all the pure bred dogs in the CC come from? But I prefer the idea that all the cats in the commonwealth, like the cannon crows and seagulls, are synths made to spy on people by the institute.
Me: “Yo Nate, how dead are they?” Nate: “Seriously, they got murdered” Me: “Ok, how?” Nate: “M U R D E R E D T O D E A T H” M: (scribbling in price of paper) “Ok, noted”
During the CoA part I was just giggling at the idea that Amun shows up after not being worship in years and even after figuring out they don’t mean him he’s like “they’re a bit confused but they got spirt” and helps them out anyway.
@@MediumRareOpinions Well, you actually are born in Vault 101 as the lone wanderer; it's just that your father came there from outside the vault, before-hand, no? I don't remember if you find out you weren't born there, just that your dad came from the outside
@@killertofu586 The player was born in the lower levels of the Jefferson Memorial Building. You can find the room and holotape recordings of the mother there. Star Paladin Cross has dialogue about it, she remembers escorting James and the player as a baby across the wasteland.
@@MediumRareOpinions Ah, I didn't play enough of Fallout 3 to learn this! Thanks for the info, man. I should actually replay and beat the game, looking for little things like this, because I love finding "unnecessary" information
Considering there was a vault with one man and puppets, it would make sense if they made a vault consisting of one cat loving lady and a vault full of cats.
Or (more in line with Vault-Tec's cruelty) a group of people who are allergic to cats tasked with caring for a vault full of cats and make sure the cats survive or face death themselves.
@@monstersrelease556And make all residents have a family history of consistent allergies to cats, so no matter how much they try and "breed" the allergy out of future generations it can't happen
My Covenant theory: The Creation Club Tunnel Snakes Rule! mod was created to canonize the migration of Vault 101 residents to the Commonwealth. As for the cats, they're synths.
You know I've wondered about the synths. They seem to be constructed using biological material and are indistinguishable from regular humans except for a chip in the brain, so I wonder if they can biologically reproduce.
I LOVE the Gunner theory; it would explain why the Gunners seem almost superhuman in their abilities and tactics. Their origins in a vault would also explain why they are heavily associated with tech and robotics(like Assaultrons)
Or they can be the remains of US army that turned into a mercenary organization to survive. And those kids could join them and become high ranked gunners when they grew up.
The main thing about Billy, as I remember it, he had a friend he was hanging out with and said there was food in the fridge he slowly ate while trapped. The lore on ghouls is they don't NEED to eat, drink, or sleep, but they CHOOSE to, what they mainly need is radiation to keep living. The real issue with billy is the fact ghouls who are bored/don't keep an active mind and try to keep humanity start to go feral. Without something to hang on to, to keep them sane, they tend to revert and become feral, often time being stuck in a place for a long time can make them go feral. So either Billy has had a very vivid imagination an will to live, or it's just something that should be a Wild Wasteland moment.
@@LegioXIII-SPQR That sounds horrifying, just a bunch of radioactive gremlins crawling out from under cars and trash piles and other places, to come swarming out. That sounds almost as bad as the time I installed some Fallout 4 mods, without really paying attention to things, one of them was a mod for better skin textures or something. Well, wandering around, came across a hoard of Feral ghouls, that all came running at me, with huge erections, and that was so unexpected and fear inducing to see like 15 to 20 scrawny, naked, erect ghouls all coming for my ass. Don't think I played Fallout 4 again for a while after finding the mod that added that, and disabling that part of it.
I imagine that because of low population nobody really bombed egypt like russia/china bombed the US. So either there isnt that much damage done or its a complete wasteland, with pyramids but no people. Its a poor country so i bet they dont have vaults
@@KnochenGott Well, that's most likely true but some of the countries around Egypt most likely got bombed, and the effects of the nukes probably reached Egypt.
@@KnochenGott What? What I was trying to say was that it most likely didn't get bombed but still had the effects of the nuclear apocalypse, mainly radiation.
Emerald Doughnut knowing the fallout universe Egypt has already weaponised them , the Sphinx a walking mech somewhat like big daddy liberty prime , and the pyramids eh flying space ships 🤷♂️🤷♂️😂
Actually that's because the camera got too close and stopped rendering the helmet. It has nothing to do with the 3d model that is still perfectly fits that guy's head.
Here's a theory I've had for a while, which is backed up by lore AND Is honestly pretty out there: Radiation in the Fallout Universe isn't the energy emissions studied in our universe... ...It's the taint of the eldritch abominations lurking behind the scenes. It's clearly established that radiation there does not work like radiation here. That's because it's not the same thing. Follow my thinking. Every time we've been somewhere where the eldritch is strong (the Dunwich Building, the Dunwich Borers, etc) there's always ghouls about (or in the case of Krivbeknih, mutated swampfolk). Now you might say that's because these places are abandoned, allowing ghouls to move in, but the logs in the Dunwich suggest the people become ghouls after they get there. But these places are also always radioactive in some way, in particular, the obelisk under the Dunwich building itself emits radiation despite no evident reason it should do so. The pit at the bottom of the Borer's quarry? Despite being extremely deep groundwater, it's as radioactive as any water on the surface. All this heavily implies a relation between the elder ones and radiation. Now, while radiation causing mutations is documented extensively in the real world... but nowhere has it ever turned sea life into giant abominations with psychic-blast attacks, iguanas into slavering death beasts, or humans into ageless zombies. Across the board, the mutated creatures of the wasteland are super aggressive and far more deadly than their real life counterparts. To me, this sounds more like an eldritch taint that simple mutation. This also explains the little things like while despite (most) ghouls not actively emitting radiation, they still irradiate you on touch, again something more inline with a quasi-magical taint than a quasi-scientific one. Also at the bottom of the quarry are a pair of mininukes next to the sacrificial knife. Why are they there? Clearly no one's been down there since before the war, and back then they would be much more difficult for civilians to obtain, so it must've been important to them. They might be offerings, or symbolic representations as devices that spread their eldritch taint into the world. Or, alternatively, the eldritch ones may have put them their themselves for YOU to find and use.
I think it's established that deathclaws and supermutants were deliberately created by the Institute with genetic manipulation and the FEV. While I'm not sure about other creatures, since the FEV is established to exist, it's a more likely explanation that it somehow got lose in all the war chaos and started to infect different creatures and it may also mutated itself as well. As for why ghouls irradiate you more when they hit you could have perfect sense scientifically since radiation is stronger the closer you are to the source, so touching a radioactive source would be the worst, especially if radioactive particles get stuck on your skin or , even worse, in a wound.
@@mrkiky As Nate has pointed out, lovecraftian occurrences are canon. There's SOME kinda higher force messing with wastelands. The Dunwich Building, the Krivbeknih, Cabbot's Crown, there's SOMETHING out there, and if it's not magic it's so advanced it's indistinguishable from magic.
Even though I absolutely love your theory, I think it's missing what mrkiky told you below: that the origin of some creatures is actually more related to direct human intervention than accidental or magical development. Even though, you're including something that makes perfect sense within FO universe: that Lovecraftian lore is heavily present in the world, and therefore a relationship between FO's radiation and Eldrich energy actually makes sense. IDK if Bethesda will use this or not, but I'll include this theory of yours in my own conception of the FO's lore, and play the FO games with this in mind. Thank you!
@mrkiky “I think it's established that deathclaws and supermutants were deliberately created by the Institute with genetic manipulation and the FEV.” Yes, it’s definitely established lore, the super mutants were definitely intentional, although i can’t remember if it was as weapons or just as a way to survive the nuclear war which seemed inevitable by that point. Deathclaws, however, were definitely made for war, they took Jackson’s chameleons (and apparently a few other things, I think humans may even have been part of the splicing, hence the intelligence of deathclaws) and created giant murder lizards specifically to release them in China and fight a ground war for the US. Considering FEV seems to have gotten _everywhere_ in the mainland US it does seem kind of likely that all the weirder shit is as a result of human intervention with some animals and evolution resulting in the few other remaining animals evolving in even more ridiculous ways than should have been possible. There’s a _lot_ of selection pressure associated with a predator like the deathclaw suddenly appearing in an ecosystem, which would also explain the lack of overall biodiversity, in-universe it’s down to hardly anything surviving a hungry lizard boi for long.
For the 101 Theory I would like to add something... I think that Deezer is that Working(ish) Medical Robot from Vault 101 with a wiped memory, it was slightly broken the second time the player (if the player chose to) entered Vault 101, if it was taken via caravan to the commonwealth, it is extremely likely that it was targeted by the raiders, hence it’s extreme damages.
Since most of security personnel from vault 111 went out after the first few years of isolation (resulting overseer's death). I could be more plausible that the Covenant might be a settlement built by remnants of vault 111 personnels. Where i don't recall having seen vault 111 posters, it could be possible that bethesda wanted really badly to add those to justify the "descendant from a vault" story.
When you sarcastically say to Billy “can you get me the mayo? Second shelf next to the pudding.” (Or to that degree) he says “That’s not something to say to a kid stuck in a fridge besides I ate the pudding a long time ago.” (Again something to that degree) so if he’s not joking he might have had food in the fridge and managed to make it last 200 years but I don’t know it’s just my theory
hey good catch. I didn't even remember that. birds, gorillas, brahmin, why not cats. i mean it doesn't explain how they are in fallout 76. though it could be that they hadn't died off yet because of the time it is set in.
I suppose it's not mutually exclusive for cats to have both survived in small numbers and for the Institute to have engineered their own population. I mean that's how Super Mutants keep popping up all over post war America even though they're not directly connected.
Jaybird Rosewater-Holmes no, the dead cats are there since they thought the cats would bring “humanity” to the super mutants, its in one the terminals.
When I first saw a cat in FO4, I was puzzled by its existence, but after seeing the gorillas in the institute I was sure the cats must be synths. May be a side project of one of the scientists from the institute . Cats have infiltrated everywhere, even BoS .
Can we stop citing Mr. House about the extinction of cats? Yes they are extinct. In the West. House has alot of extensive knowledge. Of the west. He's very disconnected from the word across the entire country, the information he has of the west does not reflect upon the East. Having an appearance in Boston =/= over running the world.
i mean pre 2281 there was no cats, even in dc so house was right. if they were in WV in 2102, it wouldnt make sense thay arent nearby in 2277. so cats going extinct between 2102-2281 is fairly likely, with thr cat vault or something similar making a lot of sense tbh
@@R-YR29 actually him just being wrong about this would make some sense. It's entirely possible some animals go extinct in certain areas and not others. Similar to how monsters in far harbour are completely differnt to other areas. Plus fallout 76 is an entirely differnt story being so close after the war creatures being around then doesn't mean they were 200 years later. Maybe at the time of new Vegas cats in that area would have gone extinct.
Yeah, true that. Like how he has NO IDEA the Brotherhood found his giant robot AND managed to get it working. Just imagine how he'd react if his and Maxson's endings ended up being canon in their respective games.
@@R-YR29 Apologies in advance, this is going to be a long one. I disagree, a Cat Vault makes absolutely no sense what so ever if you know Vault lore including Vault lore from the Fallout Bible. The Vaults were created as test beds for the Enclave to utilize as the Enclave had intention to colonize another planet and needed this information for extreme long term space travel. If you think about it, alot of these vault experiments start to make sense, like the vault where they use a low voltage of lights and how it'd effect our eye sight. Although the Fallout Bible isn't used by Bethesda, there are still some echos to it in Nuka-World with Vault-Tec's plans for space which would involve Enclave collaboration so the information from the Vaults would be useful. When it comes to the lack of cats in DC it makes sense, out of all the places in the US, DC got hit the worst, it's the hellish wasteland out there, the vast extinction of animals such as cats is plausible, but in places not as hostile as DC such as the Boston area along with West Virginia, the survival of certain animals is more plausible. There's lore that can't be disputed and sucks when it gets retconned, but not everything people say should be taken literally. Yes cats are extinct in the west, because it makes sense for House to have the resources to explore the West, but for someone like House to not give a shit about places outside of New Vegas and the Mojave in general, it makes no sense he'd go out of his way to comb the East to see if cats are around. He more than likely made an educated guess, the west has no cats, therefore cats are extinct. One of the core things about Fallout is that the entire world is super disconnected, even most of local areas are disconnected from one another. It's consider a herculean task for any strong faction to make long range connections, let alone travel extremely far, even the Enclave struggled with this, the Brotherhood of Steel in the East lost all connections and communications to the Brotherhood in the West. How is it that a silly mummy in bed is capable of this? Let's use another example of why we shouldn't take certain pieces of lore too literally. The Kings. In order to explain why this group based on Elvis Presley isn't blasted music by him because Obsidian wasn't able to afford to get his music added to the game, they explained that The Kings went around the place to claim all records of Elvis Presley's music and used it so much, the records and holotapes wore out and are unusable and no more records exist because of The Kings. Are we to believe The Kings traveled all over the US with little to no Military resources or transportation they were able to claim every single Elvis record? Now this might be believable for the Mojave, but it's silly to assume they combed all of the US. It wouldn't be considered lorebreaking if a future Fallout game used Elvis' music.
@ValorJ Omega You probably didn't even ready my comment, yeah? There is rhyme and reason why Vault-Tec has a vault do a specific and often insane experiment, and once you know their true goals, it makes ALOT of sense.
Plus I could be corrected if I'm wrong but there is a spot on the map where you can open one of those single bomb shelters and I believe a feral ghoul runs out absolutely implying that it was in there since the Great war so this idea that ghouls need food and water doesn't really hold up under those principles not to mention that there are plenty of places in game that feral ghouls have been locked inside of for years without those supplies
@@brick2392 I have to think that the lack of any maturity development in Billy implies that ghouls are more or less frozen in the mentality they had upon ghoulification. This could mean that he could not become feral, as he had too much childlike innocence to go Lord of the Flies. Or Bethesda sucks at cohesive worldbuilding. Could be that one too
@@jackhiggins3936 well I think that your answer is a good as an answer for the sake of explaining it away because I think anybody would go feral for being stuck in a fridge for that long 😆 I mean heck I'd go Farrell just for being stuck in that fridge for an hour but obviously Bethesda doesn't usually like to give opportunities to kill children in game Plus it kind of makes for an interesting story in general
I just figured the cats were another variety of synth, the Institute could potentially use them to keep an eye on the surface while barely being noticed.
The only issue with the “Billy wasn’t hiding from the Great War” theory is that if Billy was already a ghoul, why does his dad have to explain to him what a Ghoul is?
Biggest mystery to me in Fallout: why I need key, code or bobby pin to open doors,? Why I can't use kicking, bullets, grenades, missiles or mini nukes?
The Gunners also greatly confused me for a VERY long time. I could not figure out why the past game's guys who sold us guns and acted as mercenary's were now still mercenary's, but also occupied locations and were acting more like raiders, killing anyone on sight and no longer ruling the gun and ammo market. Until I found out the old faction is called "The Gun Runners" and "The Gunners" are a different faction altogether, even though they wear the same combat armor and heavy weaponry, and military style. Basically a full copy of the gun runners, but as a hostile faction.
As a resident of Boston I can assure you that it’s not much different than FO4. There’s no shortage of crumbling infrastructure, mutants and junkie lunatics running around with pool cues.
Theory: Godzilla exists in the Fallout universe, and may have played a major part in the destruction of the human race as we know it after the bombs were dropped. And that giant footprint in the original game was his.
Joshua Strittmatter Would have been cool the radiation from the bombs did indeed create a Godzilla type creature that is still somewhere in the Wastes.
1) Covenant was probably founded by people from Vault 101, but not after the end of Fallout 3... the dates don't add up. However, we do know that Vault 101 sent out scouting teams for years before the beginning of the game, and some of them never came back. 2) Cats existing 25 years after the bombs doesn't disprove the cat Vault theory nor it makes Mr House sound dumb. If anything it confirms his words and the theory. Extinction events are a prolonged thing. All the animals / people die in the place of the asteroid impact / nuclear bomb. Most die in its proximity. A lot die all over the world because of worldwide atmospheric changes... *HOWEVER.* The remaining species, the ones who survived the immediate impact, now have to survive in a wildly different world, with wildly different conditions. Some of them make it. Some go extinct over the next years, decades or centuries... either because they're incapable to adapt as fast as other species or simply because there aren't enough left of them to sustain the gene pool. It's extremely plausible that cats went extinct *because of the bombs,* but *throughout the next few decades* after the bombs fell.
Ghouls can remain motionless for a very very long time so I theorize that Billy was actually in the fridge that long but went into a state of hibernation that he only awoke from when the vault dweller makes noise and nears the fridge.
There is this one creepy thing. Near diamond city there is a sewer and if you go in there is a holotape. It say something along the lines of "hello, you better be alone detective. If not, i'm already gone. Anyways, i've put my work on display." And once you go in you will see skeletons in various positions and terrifying poses. There's even a skeleton holding a fishing rod with his head hanging from it. (I'll edit the comment when i remember the location)
I'm not surprised. Knowing Bethesda, the Gunners probably were a joinable faction, but it got scrapped due time constraints. They would've been a cool faction to join.
Yeah, I am hoping the next FO/ES games will introduce a huge amount of factions to join to the point that when you talk to your friends about gameplay you may have a totally different experience
@@AdmiralAwsm Very unlikely. People give the Gunners way to much thought, they're just the Commonwealths version of the "Talon Company" from the Capital Wasteland. They're a war profiteering mercenary outfit designed to be "harder raiders".
Pretty sure taking houses words about a species going extinct is like asking a vault dweller who’s never left what a ghoul is. While he had much knowledge about what goes on in the west coast because he’s been dealing with them consistently, doesn’t mean he knows anything about what’s alive on the east coast. That would be like saying because house didn’t mention the institute, they must not exist.
@@tomdavison1637 there's whole threads on forum sites I've read alot of them said that the LW being good is Cannon and they would most likely desert the BoS once they went away from what Elder Lyons envisioned. And that the Canon goes out of its way to avoid saying wether the Wanderer was male or female.
When billy returns to his family he remarks “you’re all burned up like me.” As if he hadn’t seen them since before all three were ghouls. I’m pretty sure that’s just a goof on Bethesda’s part.
they didnt have to reach that far on the cats, it could have literally just been cats brought out from vaults that were owned by the dwellers and could succeasfully thrive in the now-coming-back wasteland. you literally help find a vault dweller’s cat in the game.
Different sides of the country. Why would cats going extinct on the West Coast have anything to do with the East Coast? Mr House said people ate them to extinction, otherwise they would have normally survived. Cats will definitely outlived all humans.
Gilhelmi plus there were more vaults on the east coast (I think), while the west coast likely had them more spread out, meaning that more people on the west coast survived outside of vaults (and likely deteriorated into more savage lifestyles). So basically...the west coast’s non-vault survivors were more numerous, and could’ve easily eaten cats into extinction. The east has more vaults and less survivors outside of the vaults, so cats would’ve survived by not being hunted as much.
There is a possibility especially considering how discoloured the armour and helmets are that they were descendants of a Vault 101 exploration team that had spent a little too long time out in the wasteland and when they came back Alphonse Almodovar had just became the overseer and refused the team re-entry into the vault. The exploration finding out they can not return home and finding out the Captial Wasteland was too dangerous for lone term habitation decided to migrate to the Commonwealth that was relatively safe in comparison and was capable of subsistence agriculture
@@NieroshaiTheSable thankyou.gif Bethesda is legendarily pissy and jelly over New Vegas, I could see them adding cats for the sole purpose on shitting on the lore Obsidian wrote.
I always assumed the connection between Covenant and Vault 101 was fairly obvious. I suspect that it was originally written to be more than just implied, with more overt references or even familiar NPCs, but for whatever reason, they changed it to revolve around synths (which, to be honest, the game did NOT need more of).
Except ghouls can't reproduce.. So his parents had to have been human to have had him. Which means that he couldn't have locked himself in the fridge during the Battle of Quincy since his dad has to explain to him what a ghoul is when you reunite them. So he had to have been in there long enough to not only become a ghoul himself, but his parents to turn into ghouls as well.
it does seem though that sudden and large amounts of rads can cause ghoulification to happen.... and when I went to Quincey, there WAS a very annoying Gunner tossing mininukes around.... and those CAN cause ghoulification... so.... Quincy fight theory could yet be true... they just got hit by a lotta rads. That said, the whole family could, theoretically, all have had the same exposure through that fight and it's resultant fallout, or food, or drink, JUST before that fight broke out. they all ran, kid hid and got locked in the fridge... all three becoming ghouls at the same time... the parents knowing what it was, since they were adults, and had seen or heard of ghouls earlier in their lives... but they sheltered their kid... he'd never seen a ghoul before... Hence the father explaining it to his kid.
when you finally reveal the "kitty-comeback" theory I'm kinda disappointed it's not about the institute building synthetic cats to spy on people, but that cat-vault might explain it easier
Personally. To me billy was at a friends house when the bombs fell. His friend and his friends parents reserved a spot in a vault but not billy. So he hid in the fridge. Then his friend either made it to a vault or died on the way there. The slaver you meet on that quest says that gouls make great slaves because they don’t NEED to eat. I think it’s more of a comfort thing. They don’t need it to survive but it would feel like hell if they didn’t
I seem to remember the Gunners being a splinter-group of the Minutemen who got in an open confrontation with each other, which spread the Minutemen thin as they fled.
No. There's no evidence I'm aware of that suggests that the gunners split off from the minutemen. The closet you get to that is after the last minutemen General died, the Colonels all started infighting over who would replace him. This infighting saw members like Ronnie Shaw leave the minutemen, but it also saw James Wire leave the minutemen and join up with a raider outfit and Lt. Clint betray the minutemen and join the gunners during the Quincy Massacre.
Billy commented on how his parents are all “burned up” like him when you bring him home, meaning last time he saw them they weren’t ghouls. so either he was in the fridge for over 200 years or his parents weren’t ghoulified from the Great War, they just all happened to be ghoulified for different reasons
Anyway... I have a new theory about the Children of Atom’s ”Mother”. My theory is that Mother could be "Mother Maya" from Fallout 3. Either she died and transcended by Atoms grace, or she became a strong ghoul by all the radiation exposure and her pure resistance to the negative effects. fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Maya ..and not only that, every-time you drink from the fountain (where Mother is) after the quest is done, you actually have the ability to walk among the creatures again in other locations as long as the effect is still on and they don't attack. So the spring can be used several times over. Not sure if it works with fast travel etc, I think you have to use it in close proximity where the effect still work.
I have a Fallout 4 story, if anyone would like to read it- Looking up, Ellen blinked. The orange, smog filled sky was all she could see. Dog meat barked, must have found something useful. Loading her gun, Ellen trecked into the Wastelands. It's been 198 years since the nukes came. At least that's what they say. Ellen was only 17, at the moment. A normal 17 year old shouldn't look like this. But she did. She was a ghoul. The radiation had effected her as a child, and her father was also a ghoul, which most likely made it worse. She never knew her mother. Her father raised her, but when they where fighting a huge gang or raiders, he was killed. At least, that's what she thought. Ellen was shot in the neck, which broke her voice box, but the Railroad fixed her right up. She will always be Allys with them. She found Dogmeat at a Redrocket. So, naturally, seeming he wasn't hostile, she befriended the German shepherd. It's been 13 years. It is now the year 2288, and someone has awoken. Theres a vault, Vault 111, on a hilltop. And the door has just been opened. A man, in his 30's, walks out. Ellen and Dogmeat wait for him. But a Deathclaw beats them to it. It's been 3 days, the man has not woken up. Ellen and Dogmeat defeated the Deathclaw, but the man was injured brutally. Ellen patched him up, but tied him up too. Cant be to cautious. He opened his eyes. Blue. Matched with his dirty blonde hair. He had a stubble, and a blue and yellow Vault suit on. On the back it said 111. To be continued.....
My boy, Liam O'Brien just partnered with Sam Riegel I'm becoming DnD Beyond "Presidents". I only bring this up because he's a voice actor in this game and he's wonderful.
"A Retconn by Bethesda" I'd be willing to bet that cats had never really been given any serious thought at all in the series until NV, and Obsidian couldn't be bothered to make new models, textures, and animations for what amounts to a living decoration, so they had House say they were extinct, and didn't give it any thought beyond that. Or in Lore speak, Mr. House was wrong.
I think it's the same thing with horses. They didn't want to make the horses and they knew if they added them players would want to be able to ride the horses do they just said “Horses are extinct”
Cats have been mentioned in the older Fallouts before NV. It's also safe to say that they're most likely extinct on the West Coast. So House was technically correct since he's knows more about what happens in the West than in the East
One of the creation club packs for Fallout 4 has the Tunnel Snakes from Vault 101 coming into the Commonwealth. So, that gives us two theories. 1. Covenant might have been started by a Vault 101 caravan that came to the Commonwealth along with the Tunnel Snakes. 2. The Tunnel Snakes traded some posters and maybe even a copy of the GOAT to Covenant for some caps and weapons.
But no one ever said that anything from the creation club is canon. I mean there's a doom outfit. Does that mean that doom guy came into the coomonwealth and left his armor behind?
@@ChuloInYourCulo No one ever said that anything from the creation club isn't canon. The Doom Armor is very easy to explain since it just shows up in your inventory and has no quest attached to it. It is obviously a costume, much like Grognak's, The Silver Shroud's and The Machinist.
@Jul Region I actually looked into it and yeah. Roslyn Chambers, the scientist behind the experiments, and her colleagues are said to have founded Covenant. Rosly Chambers started the experiments because, when she was a little girl, her parents were killed during the Broken Mask incident.
The vault is totally canon. But technically so are all the other vaults. The game just ruins basically every other part of lore. Add in that its commercially a failure and there's no way itll be canon.
It is reasonable to assume Mr. House was wrong without saying he was a "dum-dum". Communication and the ability to conduct research over long distances is very limited thus restricted House's knowledge to known animal life to NV and NCR area. Finding no evidence of cats in the area can lead to an extinction conclusion.
billy in the fridge couldnt have that theory as he didnt know he looked like a ghoul until he met his parents again. so it would have been before the bombs
I have a theory that the child Shaun you first meet in the institute is the real Shaun. When you tell nick about the kidnapping and that your child was very young at the time of kidnapping, he brings up the possibility of it being Kellogg as if it was very recent, not 50 to 60 years prior. There’s also a clearly recent trail leading from Kellogg’s old house to fort Hagen. Also, when you’re in the last scene of Kellogg’s memories, you can hear Diamond City Radio playing in the background voiced by Travis, who is clearly not over 60 years old. Why would the institute hide that from you? Probably to keep you away from the child they were using to make the gen 3 synths.
The old man Shaun is clearly your kid, his skin tone changes with yours and he never breaks character of being your son, even when you destroy everything he works for. He also appoints you as the next person to lead the institute give DNA for the synths in the institute allied ending. That doesn't make sense of he's not related to you. Also, the trail you follow is new because Kellogg moved from diamond city recently. That doesn't mean he left immediately after Shaun left. Or if so, that the Shaun with him was the real Shaun. Kid shaun also *deactivates* right in Front of your eyes.
Well...if Atum is a definite possibility in the Fallout universe, and if mythological history is to repeat as such, Atum may have created the same gods the Ancient Egyptians worshipped. On of which was Bastet. A goddess with a cat head. So. If Atum is real In FO4, then Bastet may very well be also. Hence the cats reappearence.
Keep the quality Bethesda content coming Nate. Given Fallout 76 and most of their recent press, it's easy to get on the hate train. But, the current Status of Bethesda has no impact on the quality of their past games. I could play and watch Fallout 3, New Vegas (I know, it's Obsidian), Fallout 4, Skyrim, and Oblivion every day for the rest of my life. As long as you continue covering these games, I'll keep watching.
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Debunking nates Billy theory. He said he was playing at a friends house when the bombs fell. And he was also baffled when he saw that his parents were ghouls. So he couldn’t have been already a ghoul.
Not necessarily.. They would have needed a template from some place.. So nabbing a few cats from West Virginia or at least off some traders coming from there would fit that bill nicely
Theres actually a simple explanation to this Each NPC is assigned to a specific Faction (Alva from Morthal for example will be part of the CrimeFactionHjaalmarch as she is from Morthal) Ebony Warrior is unique, in that he will always spawn in a random hold, so Bethesda decided to just not give him the Crime - Faction.
I think that part of the Covenant's prewar obsession can be caused by their synth paranoia as there were no synths then. So if some synth happen to wander into town, they would be a little confused due to the atmosphere. Of course, the residents don't live in pretend or something, but I still think that's an interesting thought.
@@ChuloInYourCulo True but the girl mentioned it did own one so they would have recently gone extinct on the West Coast, doesn't mean anything about the East Coast.
And cats are amazing survivors. I could see a small group of feral cats surviving in the Northeast long enough to start repopulating again. Plus all I've seen in the game (and I could be wrong here) are gray tiger cats, which would is a great coloration for camouflage. A small feral population breeding in the wild would also account for just the one color variation we see everywhere as well.
You guys have to remember that Fallout 1 and 2 were made by a different company Bethesda didn't absolutely use EVERY single idea from the original games,and this can cause inconsistent ideas like the iguana and squirrel meat actually being human meat.
Theory: The "Cat Vault" was actually more of an "Animal Husbandry Vault". It took in people who considered themselves animal-lovers, and as many pet owners as they could possibly arrange for. It was only equipped with enough food to feed the occupants and their pets for a decade at the most. Not accounting for offspring.
The goal of the experiment was to see if the dwellers would start eating their own pets, and breeding them for food, in order to survive.
If this were included in the game, it could explain the presence of both cats and healthy dogs. Though it would be nice to see the cats changed to look like they've been bred as livestock. Big fat Maine Coons selectively bred for size, posing an actual threat in the wasteland.
A rideable Maine coon for fallout and daft horses for Elder Scrolls
I’m digging it
That also explains dogmeat...if dogmeat wasn't a synth spy
Ah yes, saber cats.
Maine Coons would make a certain degree of sense geographically too... Maine is THAT far from Boston...
Vault theory apart (and not takin fallout 76 in count). Maybe cats are spies from the Institute ? OK hear me out :
- Cats are the only animals that doesn't have a single mutated version (unlike dogs rats ...)
- Cats only seemed to appear around Boston (as we didn't have them in the previous Fallout)
- The Institute knows how to clone animals, they already have several cloned animals
- It would also explain why Mr House said they disappeared
Also it would be a great easter eggs as Americans had a plan for a surveillance cat during the cold war
title: "terrifying fallout 4 theories"
me: "ah this can't be that bad"
video: "kitten vault"
me: *screaming*
Lmao.
I can understand,as I am allergic to them.
Yeah I'm allergic so fuck that vault
@Jason Jones I find it more likely that some cats were in one or more vaults as pets. a vault that Mr didn't know about. Maybe even Vault 81 since there was a cat in there anyway. 81 seems to have opened up some time before, long enough to establish a trader network. Some of the cats might have gotten out and repopulated in that time. (I ignore 76)
I’m a dog person
"This was no mistake by Bethesda" now THAT is a bold theory
truly
It just works.
90% sure they just couldn't be arsed to change the normal maps in the helmets, thus the vault-tec logo shows under certain light.
🤣🤣🤣
they make no mistake, only happy little accidents
5 theories that are ABSOLUTELY TERRIFYING!
“there was a vault with cats in it”
IM SPOOKED
Me too
I can't sleep at night knowing that there is a possibility of virtual cats inside a vault somewhere
I came down to make the same comment
👽
I'm so scared.
Perhaps the cats in Fo4 are synthetic cats, made by the Institute while the Fo76 cats are cats who survived the Great War, and between those two games, they went extinct but were "Jurassic Parked" back to life.
You guys saw that most of the cats look the same maybe they are cloned cats
my thoughts exactly, either that or Ashes had a lot of siblings/children...
Hrm, somebody already posted about this. Oh well, no matter, my comment went into more detail. so there :P
there was a cat in fallout befor there was one in Fallout Brotherhood of Steel fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Mr._Pussy
@@giantred I didn't see your comment. I did see someone say how Fo76 messed up their theory, though.
Billy actually did confirm that he hid before the war
Saying that he was walking home when he heard sirens and then there was a massive rumbling noise as said in his dialogue
So I guess it was just a poorly written quest huh
@@cjab__ yup
Yeah, he and his parents were also human last time they saw each other because Billy asks about their appearance. Just bad writing.
Also, he didn't know his parents were ghouls
Mabey ghouls can survive without food if their stomachs ghoulify so only if you take severe radiation you can survive without food
My theory is that Nate is actually Todd Howard and that's how he knows so much about Fallout and The Elder Scrolls
Little Shmuplet he would be setting up buy loot boxes for fallout 76 at the end
Na, he would have our wallets by now if he was
If he was Todd he wouldn't know anything about the franchise 🤔
Nah, Nate would never make fallout 76.
Todd wouldn't accept that because his videos never crashed or bugged and I don't have to fix them myself.
They just work with many times the detail. Oh wait, that sounds familiar.
I just imagine the children of atom hiding a lifetime supply of rad away somewhere
RadAway is a common reward for fighting them
Lol most likely
@@ethanblevins1116 but then again, radaway and and rad x are common rewards for killing ghouls
In the Far Harbor DLC, the Children of Atom explain that many of them are born completely immune to radiation. The ones that aren't immune but still wish to worship Atom are why the Rad-X and Radaway are horded by their members.
They explain this while you're repairing their decontamination chamber so it blows out radiation instead of curing it.
Blackthorn perhaps that’ll explain why so many people above ground aren’t ghouls; immune to radiation.
The whole "Mr House said cats went extinct" thing I imagine is just him referring to the area he is in, he could have absolutely no idea that they're still around outside of New Vegas.
i mean, there's a cat on the Prydwen
Huh
@@haley5351also at abernathy farms
I thought The Children of Atom were just individuals with a natural semi-immunity to radiation. In essence, it's natural selection. Those that survive long enough become members and raise in the ranks.
@@loveblanket6512 Tell that to the ghouls buddy
@@loveblanket6512 we're also talking about a game 200+ years in the future so...
@@loveblanket6512 Fallout plays fast and loose with real life science
Well if you complete a quest for some member of the nucleus in the Far harbor DLC (don't remember the name of the quest) you will hear that some members are born with "atoms gift" that makes them 100% immune to radiation and some members are not. The quest where you learn this is given to you by one of the more... sane members of the children so I would consider it "canon" if you will. I also think you have to remember that the universe of fallout does follow the same "laws" of nature as the real world. In my opinion if you dig deep Bethesda has basically hidden a bunch of evidance that shows that The Children Of Atom are just a bunch of deranged cult members that some happen to have a mutation that makes them immune to radiation and they use that a much more as "evidence" of atom. This seems to be obvious at first but can take some serious digging to actually back up.
@@loveblanket6512 Actually, we haven't been able to prove that we can't gain a semi or full immunity to radiation. People can become immune to disease and poison if they survive the encounter, so why not to the isotopes that would poison us from radiation? Cells can be immune to outside forces that would affect them on a cellular level, and even your shotgun point isn't fully true... As eventually, one may survive, and if they mate with someone who had survived, they can possibly start an evolution line of humans that can survive shotgun blasts to the brain through the mouth, then eventually after a long time of dealing with that, they may gain a full immunity. The roof of the mouth hardening up, skull becoming harder, other shit.
Theory about Billy:
The long term memories of Billy and his parents are all destroyed by radiation. Thus, Billy gets stuck in the fridge any time he hides from frantic fighting in Quincy, while his parents forget where he hides. They don't know how long he's been gone, and Billy can't tell day from night in the fridge.
I'll take it
Naw, I think he hid in the refrigerator because a slaver was after him.
I love this theory!
but that negates the whole reason the theory was made which was to explain their attitude towards their son returning.
Are you trying to make me cry, cause you succeeded
“Bethesda wouldn’t reuse these assets.” *Stares at Fallout 76*
But they run off the same engine. It’s easier. 3 and new Vegas had a lot of the same assets.
@@jodysmith7856 Because the New Vegas developers had a year to make the game.
@@jodysmith7856 Bethesda also made Fallout 3.
Very common in software development.
Bethesda isn't the only gaming company to do this.... if a 2 games share an engine, and a somewhat similar art style, assets are going to be exchanged.
Fallout 4’s greatest mystery; why can you only make ramshackle shacks and not nice looking homes?
Bethesda's budget
Because in Fallout 4 the protagonist is the chosen one, the Sole Beggar destined to lead a hobo cult and they already had those textures, so why change it if it just works?
Because nice homes take a while to build and any construction site would probably be under constant attack
Jeff Dinvell because all the metal is pre war and you’re just reusing it? So it’ll all be rusted and old,
you actually can make normal looking homes, you just need to cough up some dollars for the DLCs
Wait a second. Atom, Atum, Egypt, Cats, Mummies, Ghouls...my god it's all coming together.
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Oh my God you're right
The Acended One hath spoken!
GODDAMNIT it’s DIO again
Jesus christ your right! It all makes sense wow 😯
I have to add another turning point for the covenant theory. One that makes it add up more. McCready gets happy with you when to enter covenant. And for anyone who doesn't know, McCready was a kid from fallout 3 who was president of Little Lamplight. Really adds to the vault 101 theory
A vault specifically for preserving an animal species would be one of the few morally good decisions Vault Tec ever made
No, no, no. Vault-Tec cannot do anything good. The cats must be genetically altered to no longer pur or something. Cannot have Vault-Tec do something good, after all.
A vault zoo with several kinds of animals and vets caring for them would be an interesting addition to Fallout.
i like the idea of a vault for cats, one for dogs too, otherwise where do all the pure bred dogs in the CC come from? But I prefer the idea that all the cats in the commonwealth, like the cannon crows and seagulls, are synths made to spy on people by the institute.
SevCaswell I personally prefer sprinklings of actual positivity in my desolate futures of despair.
A vault full of cats and humans who were alergic to cats, there issue solved.
Me: “Yo Nate, how dead are they?”
Nate: “Seriously, they got murdered”
Me: “Ok, how?”
Nate: “M U R D E R E D T O D E A T H”
M: (scribbling in price of paper) “Ok, noted”
Wonder how much it costed...
I was looking for this comment
Ah yes perfect engish
Why is he dead
He died
Gasp
@@Crebb2184 you dont need the "ed" on cost
During the CoA part I was just giggling at the idea that Amun shows up after not being worship in years and even after figuring out they don’t mean him he’s like “they’re a bit confused but they got spirt” and helps them out anyway.
Holy crap, I didn’t even think about it like that 🤣🤣
Mr.house: hmmm, I haven't seen a cat in a while... I guess they all died everywhere. I've decided they are extinct.
Kael ofAshes yeah pretty much
@Epoxygleu ivory billed woodpecker also look into localized extinction
Simple answer to Billy's situation: he and his family are playing a prank on passers-by.
Ah the "unreliable narrator" angle? Kinda like the Lone Wanderer believing they were born into Vault 101
Perhaps more of a 'morality test'.
@@MediumRareOpinions Well, you actually are born in Vault 101 as the lone wanderer; it's just that your father came there from outside the vault, before-hand, no? I don't remember if you find out you weren't born there, just that your dad came from the outside
@@killertofu586 The player was born in the lower levels of the Jefferson Memorial Building. You can find the room and holotape recordings of the mother there.
Star Paladin Cross has dialogue about it, she remembers escorting James and the player as a baby across the wasteland.
@@MediumRareOpinions Ah, I didn't play enough of Fallout 3 to learn this! Thanks for the info, man. I should actually replay and beat the game, looking for little things like this, because I love finding "unnecessary" information
Nate: 5 terrifying theories
Number one: ghouls don’t crap
Considering there was a vault with one man and puppets, it would make sense if they made a vault consisting of one cat loving lady and a vault full of cats.
Or (more in line with Vault-Tec's cruelty) a group of people who are allergic to cats tasked with caring for a vault full of cats and make sure the cats survive or face death themselves.
@@monstersrelease556oooooo now that's an idea
@@monstersrelease556And make all residents have a family history of consistent allergies to cats, so no matter how much they try and "breed" the allergy out of future generations it can't happen
Where
Guy afraid of cats , vault of cats!
My Covenant theory: The Creation Club Tunnel Snakes Rule! mod was created to canonize the migration of Vault 101 residents to the Commonwealth.
As for the cats, they're synths.
You know I've wondered about the synths. They seem to be constructed using biological material and are indistinguishable from regular humans except for a chip in the brain, so I wonder if they can biologically reproduce.
Joseph Torres cats were mentioned abit in fallout one and two but I think the cats are a product of the institute
yeah i commented pretty much the same thing and WHAT THE ATOM CATS ARE SYNTHS? MY BOIS NOOO
oh wait never mind you were talking about the vault of cats.....sorry atom cats r greasers too....
N0
I LOVE the Gunner theory; it would explain why the Gunners seem almost superhuman in their abilities and tactics. Their origins in a vault would also explain why they are heavily associated with tech and robotics(like Assaultrons)
Or they can be the remains of US army that turned into a mercenary organization to survive. And those kids could join them and become high ranked gunners when they grew up.
Maybe it explains why they can eat 30 .50 cal hunting rifle shots to the head back to back💀💀
The ghoul kid theory doesn't really work, the kid wasn't a ghoul before as his dad has to explain to him what a ghoul is.
And ghouls can't have children. So his parents both being ghouls means that they had him before they were turned by all those rads.
Also Private Edwards was turned into a ghoul after the Legion leaked radiation in Camp Searchlight.
@@aerozed95 Capt. and AZ Your both 100% correct
Perhaps they were turned into ghouls a few months prior to releasing the kid.
@@VXGaming still doesnt explain why the kid didnt know what is a ghoul
you are single-handily the channel that has made me start replaying Skyrim and Fallout.. Thank you nate!
I still haven't beat Fallout 4 yet. I am playing it right now
Handily? Lol. Did you mean handedly...?
The main thing about Billy, as I remember it, he had a friend he was hanging out with and said there was food in the fridge he slowly ate while trapped. The lore on ghouls is they don't NEED to eat, drink, or sleep, but they CHOOSE to, what they mainly need is radiation to keep living. The real issue with billy is the fact ghouls who are bored/don't keep an active mind and try to keep humanity start to go feral. Without something to hang on to, to keep them sane, they tend to revert and become feral, often time being stuck in a place for a long time can make them go feral. So either Billy has had a very vivid imagination an will to live, or it's just something that should be a Wild Wasteland moment.
Considering he held on to the fact that he wanted to see his parents I kinda believe that that hope kept him from going feral.
@@ravenred6878 the Power of Family kept Billy sane
@@mannamoth918 Dom would be proud
Imagine having to deal with a horde of child ferals
@@LegioXIII-SPQR That sounds horrifying, just a bunch of radioactive gremlins crawling out from under cars and trash piles and other places, to come swarming out.
That sounds almost as bad as the time I installed some Fallout 4 mods, without really paying attention to things, one of them was a mod for better skin textures or something.
Well, wandering around, came across a hoard of Feral ghouls, that all came running at me, with huge erections, and that was so unexpected and fear inducing to see like 15 to 20 scrawny, naked, erect ghouls all coming for my ass. Don't think I played Fallout 4 again for a while after finding the mod that added that, and disabling that part of it.
M'aiq is late.
maybe next timr
Meaning he's early ey?
I imagine he will show up every time. He seems to now lol
Hi, kitty person.
Can I have a free hat?
Not late, its called fashionably on time XD
Speaking of Egypt, I wonder what the sphinxes and pyramids look like post-Fallout-apocalypse
I imagine that because of low population nobody really bombed egypt like russia/china bombed the US. So either there isnt that much damage done or its a complete wasteland, with pyramids but no people. Its a poor country so i bet they dont have vaults
@@KnochenGott Well, that's most likely true but some of the countries around Egypt most likely got bombed, and the effects of the nukes probably reached Egypt.
@@3meralddoughnut as i said, either it didnt get bombed or it did and nobody survived as they wouldnt have vaults. The pyramids would stay though
@@KnochenGott What? What I was trying to say was that it most likely didn't get bombed but still had the effects of the nuclear apocalypse, mainly radiation.
Emerald Doughnut knowing the fallout universe Egypt has already weaponised them , the Sphinx a walking mech somewhat like big daddy liberty prime , and the pyramids eh flying space ships 🤷♂️🤷♂️😂
Mr House reach was limited to the Mojave so it is likely that housecats are extinct in Calfornia, Nevada, Arizona and Utah.
"Totally did this on purpose and didn't just res-use assets" *Forehead glitches though helmet*
Loved it
Actually that's because the camera got too close and stopped rendering the helmet. It has nothing to do with the 3d model that is still perfectly fits that guy's head.
Here's a theory I've had for a while, which is backed up by lore AND Is honestly pretty out there:
Radiation in the Fallout Universe isn't the energy emissions studied in our universe...
...It's the taint of the eldritch abominations lurking behind the scenes. It's clearly established that radiation there does not work like radiation here. That's because it's not the same thing. Follow my thinking. Every time we've been somewhere where the eldritch is strong (the Dunwich Building, the Dunwich Borers, etc) there's always ghouls about (or in the case of Krivbeknih, mutated swampfolk). Now you might say that's because these places are abandoned, allowing ghouls to move in, but the logs in the Dunwich suggest the people become ghouls after they get there. But these places are also always radioactive in some way, in particular, the obelisk under the Dunwich building itself emits radiation despite no evident reason it should do so. The pit at the bottom of the Borer's quarry? Despite being extremely deep groundwater, it's as radioactive as any water on the surface. All this heavily implies a relation between the elder ones and radiation. Now, while radiation causing mutations is documented extensively in the real world... but nowhere has it ever turned sea life into giant abominations with psychic-blast attacks, iguanas into slavering death beasts, or humans into ageless zombies. Across the board, the mutated creatures of the wasteland are super aggressive and far more deadly than their real life counterparts. To me, this sounds more like an eldritch taint that simple mutation. This also explains the little things like while despite (most) ghouls not actively emitting radiation, they still irradiate you on touch, again something more inline with a quasi-magical taint than a quasi-scientific one. Also at the bottom of the quarry are a pair of mininukes next to the sacrificial knife. Why are they there? Clearly no one's been down there since before the war, and back then they would be much more difficult for civilians to obtain, so it must've been important to them. They might be offerings, or symbolic representations as devices that spread their eldritch taint into the world. Or, alternatively, the eldritch ones may have put them their themselves for YOU to find and use.
I think it's established that deathclaws and supermutants were deliberately created by the Institute with genetic manipulation and the FEV. While I'm not sure about other creatures, since the FEV is established to exist, it's a more likely explanation that it somehow got lose in all the war chaos and started to infect different creatures and it may also mutated itself as well. As for why ghouls irradiate you more when they hit you could have perfect sense scientifically since radiation is stronger the closer you are to the source, so touching a radioactive source would be the worst, especially if radioactive particles get stuck on your skin or , even worse, in a wound.
@@geekoborabora Well it fits better in this universe than magic...
@@mrkiky As Nate has pointed out, lovecraftian occurrences are canon. There's SOME kinda higher force messing with wastelands. The Dunwich Building, the Krivbeknih, Cabbot's Crown, there's SOMETHING out there, and if it's not magic it's so advanced it's indistinguishable from magic.
Even though I absolutely love your theory, I think it's missing what mrkiky told you below: that the origin of some creatures is actually more related to direct human intervention than accidental or magical development.
Even though, you're including something that makes perfect sense within FO universe: that Lovecraftian lore is heavily present in the world, and therefore a relationship between FO's radiation and Eldrich energy actually makes sense.
IDK if Bethesda will use this or not, but I'll include this theory of yours in my own conception of the FO's lore, and play the FO games with this in mind. Thank you!
@mrkiky “I think it's established that deathclaws and supermutants were deliberately created by the Institute with genetic manipulation and the FEV.”
Yes, it’s definitely established lore, the super mutants were definitely intentional, although i can’t remember if it was as weapons or just as a way to survive the nuclear war which seemed inevitable by that point. Deathclaws, however, were definitely made for war, they took Jackson’s chameleons (and apparently a few other things, I think humans may even have been part of the splicing, hence the intelligence of deathclaws) and created giant murder lizards specifically to release them in China and fight a ground war for the US. Considering FEV seems to have gotten _everywhere_ in the mainland US it does seem kind of likely that all the weirder shit is as a result of human intervention with some animals and evolution resulting in the few other remaining animals evolving in even more ridiculous ways than should have been possible. There’s a _lot_ of selection pressure associated with a predator like the deathclaw suddenly appearing in an ecosystem, which would also explain the lack of overall biodiversity, in-universe it’s down to hardly anything surviving a hungry lizard boi for long.
For the 101 Theory I would like to add something...
I think that Deezer is that Working(ish) Medical Robot from Vault 101 with a wiped memory, it was slightly broken the second time the player (if the player chose to) entered Vault 101, if it was taken via caravan to the commonwealth, it is extremely likely that it was targeted by the raiders, hence it’s extreme damages.
The horrifying thing is how one day you will cover all the secrets
Nah, he will just keep analyzing the game files until each video just becomes most surprising lines of code you may have missed.
@@giantred "Not many have seen this, but if you look into the code, in this file here; Line 9910 has a typo! Shocking, right?"
Since most of security personnel from vault 111 went out after the first few years of isolation (resulting overseer's death). I could be more plausible that the Covenant might be a settlement built by remnants of vault 111 personnels.
Where i don't recall having seen vault 111 posters, it could be possible that bethesda wanted really badly to add those to justify the "descendant from a vault" story.
When you sarcastically say to Billy “can you get me the mayo? Second shelf next to the pudding.” (Or to that degree) he says “That’s not something to say to a kid stuck in a fridge besides I ate the pudding a long time ago.” (Again something to that degree) so if he’s not joking he might have had food in the fridge and managed to make it last 200 years but I don’t know it’s just my theory
Yeah I always just assumed he was eating from the fridge
@@Rujewitblood Why? Ghouls don't need to actually eat to survive
"Or murdered to death"
That's some good speaking words right there.
I think he said that by mistake at first so now he adds it in every video to seem like he meant to haha
Everytime I hear it, I think "Superboy-Prime? Is that you?"
"cat vault" honestly, it would make much more sense if these things were synths. The Institute can make synthetic animals. why not re-introduce cats.
It would explain why there's a bunch of super random dead cats in the FEV lab in the Institute, where you go to get Virgil his cure
hey good catch. I didn't even remember that. birds, gorillas, brahmin, why not cats. i mean it doesn't explain how they are in fallout 76. though it could be that they hadn't died off yet because of the time it is set in.
@@Enderborn272 I'm a newcomer to the Fallout series and did the mission just a couple weeks ago so dont worry about it^^
I suppose it's not mutually exclusive for cats to have both survived in small numbers and for the Institute to have engineered their own population.
I mean that's how Super Mutants keep popping up all over post war America even though they're not directly connected.
Jaybird Rosewater-Holmes no, the dead cats are there since they thought the cats would bring “humanity” to the super mutants, its in one the terminals.
When I first saw a cat in FO4, I was puzzled by its existence, but after seeing the gorillas in the institute I was sure the cats must be synths. May be a side project of one of the scientists from the institute . Cats have infiltrated everywhere, even BoS .
Can we stop citing Mr. House about the extinction of cats? Yes they are extinct. In the West. House has alot of extensive knowledge. Of the west. He's very disconnected from the word across the entire country, the information he has of the west does not reflect upon the East.
Having an appearance in Boston =/= over running the world.
i mean pre 2281 there was no cats, even in dc so house was right. if they were in WV in 2102, it wouldnt make sense thay arent nearby in 2277. so cats going extinct between 2102-2281 is fairly likely, with thr cat vault or something similar making a lot of sense tbh
@@R-YR29 actually him just being wrong about this would make some sense. It's entirely possible some animals go extinct in certain areas and not others. Similar to how monsters in far harbour are completely differnt to other areas. Plus fallout 76 is an entirely differnt story being so close after the war creatures being around then doesn't mean they were 200 years later. Maybe at the time of new Vegas cats in that area would have gone extinct.
Yeah, true that. Like how he has NO IDEA the Brotherhood found his giant robot AND managed to get it working. Just imagine how he'd react if his and Maxson's endings ended up being canon in their respective games.
@@R-YR29 Apologies in advance, this is going to be a long one.
I disagree, a Cat Vault makes absolutely no sense what so ever if you know Vault lore including Vault lore from the Fallout Bible. The Vaults were created as test beds for the Enclave to utilize as the Enclave had intention to colonize another planet and needed this information for extreme long term space travel. If you think about it, alot of these vault experiments start to make sense, like the vault where they use a low voltage of lights and how it'd effect our eye sight. Although the Fallout Bible isn't used by Bethesda, there are still some echos to it in Nuka-World with Vault-Tec's plans for space which would involve Enclave collaboration so the information from the Vaults would be useful.
When it comes to the lack of cats in DC it makes sense, out of all the places in the US, DC got hit the worst, it's the hellish wasteland out there, the vast extinction of animals such as cats is plausible, but in places not as hostile as DC such as the Boston area along with West Virginia, the survival of certain animals is more plausible.
There's lore that can't be disputed and sucks when it gets retconned, but not everything people say should be taken literally. Yes cats are extinct in the west, because it makes sense for House to have the resources to explore the West, but for someone like House to not give a shit about places outside of New Vegas and the Mojave in general, it makes no sense he'd go out of his way to comb the East to see if cats are around. He more than likely made an educated guess, the west has no cats, therefore cats are extinct. One of the core things about Fallout is that the entire world is super disconnected, even most of local areas are disconnected from one another. It's consider a herculean task for any strong faction to make long range connections, let alone travel extremely far, even the Enclave struggled with this, the Brotherhood of Steel in the East lost all connections and communications to the Brotherhood in the West. How is it that a silly mummy in bed is capable of this?
Let's use another example of why we shouldn't take certain pieces of lore too literally. The Kings. In order to explain why this group based on Elvis Presley isn't blasted music by him because Obsidian wasn't able to afford to get his music added to the game, they explained that The Kings went around the place to claim all records of Elvis Presley's music and used it so much, the records and holotapes wore out and are unusable and no more records exist because of The Kings. Are we to believe The Kings traveled all over the US with little to no Military resources or transportation they were able to claim every single Elvis record? Now this might be believable for the Mojave, but it's silly to assume they combed all of the US. It wouldn't be considered lorebreaking if a future Fallout game used Elvis' music.
@ValorJ Omega You probably didn't even ready my comment, yeah? There is rhyme and reason why Vault-Tec has a vault do a specific and often insane experiment, and once you know their true goals, it makes ALOT of sense.
Billy tells his parents "you look just like me". He didn't know untill he saw them that they were gouls.
Plus I could be corrected if I'm wrong but there is a spot on the map where you can open one of those single bomb shelters and I believe a feral ghoul runs out absolutely implying that it was in there since the Great war so this idea that ghouls need food and water doesn't really hold up under those principles not to mention that there are plenty of places in game that feral ghouls have been locked inside of for years without those supplies
I just honestly think that it's more unlikely he didn't go feral considering he's been in there for over 200 years cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs 🤪
Which is perplexing, given that he hasn’t seen a mirror since he became a ghoul.
@@brick2392 I have to think that the lack of any maturity development in Billy implies that ghouls are more or less frozen in the mentality they had upon ghoulification. This could mean that he could not become feral, as he had too much childlike innocence to go Lord of the Flies. Or Bethesda sucks at cohesive worldbuilding. Could be that one too
@@jackhiggins3936 well I think that your answer is a good as an answer for the sake of explaining it away because I think anybody would go feral for being stuck in a fridge for that long 😆 I mean heck I'd go Farrell just for being stuck in that fridge for an hour but obviously Bethesda doesn't usually like to give opportunities to kill children in game Plus it kind of makes for an interesting story in general
I just figured the cats were another variety of synth, the Institute could potentially use them to keep an eye on the surface while barely being noticed.
Bruh Nate really be out here finding new facts for us on the daily basis. What a beast
So i got to level 50 and then did the museum of witchcraft mission and it was a albino deathclaw
Scales with level
*YOU PICKED THE WRONG LEVEL FOOL*
@@jeremygelwicks1177 *YOU PICKED THE WRONG MUSEUM FOOL!*
Same.
@Mr. Al because it rare for them to spawn even at level 50
The only issue with the “Billy wasn’t hiding from the Great War” theory is that if Billy was already a ghoul, why does his dad have to explain to him what a Ghoul is?
It's possible the fight between the Minutemen and the Gunners included nukes
Biggest mystery to me in Fallout: why I need key, code or bobby pin to open doors,? Why I can't use kicking, bullets, grenades, missiles or mini nukes?
Pappa Kustaa strong locks. (just kidding)
The doors are synths
The Gunners also greatly confused me for a VERY long time.
I could not figure out why the past game's guys who sold us guns and acted as mercenary's were now still mercenary's, but also occupied locations and were acting more like raiders, killing anyone on sight and no longer ruling the gun and ammo market.
Until I found out the old faction is called "The Gun Runners"
and "The Gunners" are a different faction altogether, even though they wear the same combat armor and heavy weaponry, and military style.
Basically a full copy of the gun runners, but as a hostile faction.
They probably used to be the same faction but split.
*mercenaries
As a resident of Boston I can assure you that it’s not much different than FO4. There’s no shortage of crumbling infrastructure, mutants and junkie lunatics running around with pool cues.
The people at Covenant might be people who left 101 before the events of fallout 3 and the secret was covered up by the overseer and the guards
jeremy scungio ohhhh like some of the scouts of vault 101
covenant is refuge for settlers who lost their families to the institute - its explained in the compound
Theory:
Godzilla exists in the Fallout universe, and may have played a major part in the destruction of the human race as we know it after the bombs were dropped.
And that giant footprint in the original game was his.
Joshua Strittmatter Would have been cool the radiation from the bombs did indeed create a Godzilla type creature that is still somewhere in the Wastes.
1) Covenant was probably founded by people from Vault 101, but not after the end of Fallout 3... the dates don't add up.
However, we do know that Vault 101 sent out scouting teams for years before the beginning of the game, and some of them never came back.
2) Cats existing 25 years after the bombs doesn't disprove the cat Vault theory nor it makes Mr House sound dumb.
If anything it confirms his words and the theory.
Extinction events are a prolonged thing.
All the animals / people die in the place of the asteroid impact / nuclear bomb. Most die in its proximity. A lot die all over the world because of worldwide atmospheric changes...
*HOWEVER.*
The remaining species, the ones who survived the immediate impact, now have to survive in a wildly different world, with wildly different conditions.
Some of them make it.
Some go extinct over the next years, decades or centuries... either because they're incapable to adapt as fast as other species or simply because there aren't enough left of them to sustain the gene pool.
It's extremely plausible that cats went extinct *because of the bombs,* but *throughout the next few decades* after the bombs fell.
Ghouls can remain motionless for a very very long time so I theorize that Billy was actually in the fridge that long but went into a state of hibernation that he only awoke from when the vault dweller makes noise and nears the fridge.
So no one walked by the fridge since the bombs fell and woke him up?
@@Tendies7645 Maybe a mirelurk 😀
Im on YT for not even 10 seconds and i see the notification
Perfectly timed
As all things should be
There is this one creepy thing. Near diamond city there is a sewer and if you go in there is a holotape. It say something along the lines of "hello, you better be alone detective. If not, i'm already gone. Anyways, i've put my work on display." And once you go in you will see skeletons in various positions and terrifying poses. There's even a skeleton holding a fishing rod with his head hanging from it. (I'll edit the comment when i remember the location)
I wish we could have joined the Gunners. That would have been a great alternative to the Minutemen.
I'm not surprised. Knowing Bethesda, the Gunners probably were a joinable faction, but it got scrapped due time constraints. They would've been a cool faction to join.
Yeah, I am hoping the next FO/ES games will introduce a huge amount of factions to join to the point that when you talk to your friends about gameplay you may have a totally different experience
The gunners seem more in line with the nuka raiders. They have no interest in building society up again.
Well fallout 4 is not an rpg
@@AdmiralAwsm Very unlikely. People give the Gunners way to much thought, they're just the Commonwealths version of the "Talon Company" from the Capital Wasteland. They're a war profiteering mercenary outfit designed to be "harder raiders".
Atum is an Egyptian God, that’s probably why in Yu-Gi-Oh the pharaoh’s name is Atem.
Yes, also because another name for Atum is Tem
Temmie from undertale is secretly a god?
I'm having flashbacks to Yami Yugi playing Fallout 3.
Pretty sure taking houses words about a species going extinct is like asking a vault dweller who’s never left what a ghoul is. While he had much knowledge about what goes on in the west coast because he’s been dealing with them consistently, doesn’t mean he knows anything about what’s alive on the east coast. That would be like saying because house didn’t mention the institute, they must not exist.
I am an avid supporter of the theory that The Rogue Knight is the Lone Wanderer from Fallout 3.
I haven't heard of that one, but it does seem like a good one, too bad he has to die
@@thegreatcornholio5025 the reason I support it is The Rogue Knight can spawn as EITHER male or female
@@rhicks1337 yeah, seems legit.
Is there any evidence for this theory if so can you say it, it is an interesting idea
@@tomdavison1637 there's whole threads on forum sites I've read alot of them said that the LW being good is Cannon and they would most likely desert the BoS once they went away from what Elder Lyons envisioned. And that the Canon goes out of its way to avoid saying wether the Wanderer was male or female.
When billy returns to his family he remarks “you’re all burned up like me.” As if he hadn’t seen them since before all three were ghouls. I’m pretty sure that’s just a goof on Bethesda’s part.
they didnt have to reach that far on the cats, it could have literally just been cats brought out from vaults that were owned by the dwellers and could succeasfully thrive in the now-coming-back wasteland. you literally help find a vault dweller’s cat in the game.
Covenant is probably outside “vault”
+Billy is an institute agent that tests your compassion and other emotional characteristics
Different sides of the country. Why would cats going extinct on the West Coast have anything to do with the East Coast?
Mr House said people ate them to extinction, otherwise they would have normally survived.
Cats will definitely outlived all humans.
Gilhelmi plus there were more vaults on the east coast (I think), while the west coast likely had them more spread out, meaning that more people on the west coast survived outside of vaults (and likely deteriorated into more savage lifestyles).
So basically...the west coast’s non-vault survivors were more numerous, and could’ve easily eaten cats into extinction. The east has more vaults and less survivors outside of the vaults, so cats would’ve survived by not being hunted as much.
ValorJ Omega dogs are great hunters though, they would be used to catch other food, and also for great for companionship
There is a possibility especially considering how discoloured the armour and helmets are that they were descendants of a Vault 101 exploration team that had spent a little too long time out in the wasteland and when they came back Alphonse Almodovar had just became the overseer and refused the team re-entry into the vault. The exploration finding out they can not return home and finding out the Captial Wasteland was too dangerous for lone term habitation decided to migrate to the Commonwealth that was relatively safe in comparison and was capable of subsistence agriculture
About the cats, maybe the cats in certain parts of the world went extinct and that’s why Mr. House thinks they’re all gone?
Alternatively, Bethesda tries its best to pretend New Vegas never happened, so they don't care what Mr. House said.
@@NieroshaiTheSable thankyou.gif Bethesda is legendarily pissy and jelly over New Vegas, I could see them adding cats for the sole purpose on shitting on the lore Obsidian wrote.
So, Yu-Gi-Oh takes place in the same universe as Fallout. Good to know.
I love it
The Great War was just an episode of YUGIOH GX which got way out of hand
I always assumed the connection between Covenant and Vault 101 was fairly obvious. I suspect that it was originally written to be more than just implied, with more overt references or even familiar NPCs, but for whatever reason, they changed it to revolve around synths (which, to be honest, the game did NOT need more of).
Cat Theory:
All the cats....are SYNTHS.
Cat: meow.
Marda: that's something a synth would say.
I've got to be honest, that new Billy theory makes a lot more sense.
4:22 "they didnt accidentally just resuse some assets and retexture them..."
Me: sure they didnt... because Bethesda totally doesnt do that at all.
I like your fridge and Quincy theory. Makes more sense
Except ghouls can't reproduce.. So his parents had to have been human to have had him. Which means that he couldn't have locked himself in the fridge during the Battle of Quincy since his dad has to explain to him what a ghoul is when you reunite them. So he had to have been in there long enough to not only become a ghoul himself, but his parents to turn into ghouls as well.
@@pixystixnfairycrack "He was adopted." ~Thor (Just kidding. You're most likely right. Too bad.)
Carlton Josephs Jr except the farther has to explain what a ghoul is to the son
it does seem though that sudden and large amounts of rads can cause ghoulification to happen.... and when I went to Quincey, there WAS a very annoying Gunner tossing mininukes around....
and those CAN cause ghoulification... so.... Quincy fight theory could yet be true... they just got hit by a lotta rads.
That said, the whole family could, theoretically, all have had the same exposure through that fight and it's resultant fallout, or food, or drink, JUST before that fight broke out. they all ran, kid hid and got locked in the fridge... all three becoming ghouls at the same time... the parents knowing what it was, since they were adults, and had seen or heard of ghouls earlier in their lives... but they sheltered their kid... he'd never seen a ghoul before...
Hence the father explaining it to his kid.
when you finally reveal the "kitty-comeback" theory I'm kinda disappointed it's not about the institute building synthetic cats to spy on people, but that cat-vault might explain it easier
Considering Mr House hasn't left New Vegas in 200 years, he doesn't know what the east coast is like. Cats could just been a thing the entire time.
Personally. To me billy was at a friends house when the bombs fell. His friend and his friends parents reserved a spot in a vault but not billy. So he hid in the fridge. Then his friend either made it to a vault or died on the way there. The slaver you meet on that quest says that gouls make great slaves because they don’t NEED to eat. I think it’s more of a comfort thing. They don’t need it to survive but it would feel like hell if they didn’t
I seem to remember the Gunners being a splinter-group of the Minutemen who got in an open confrontation with each other, which spread the Minutemen thin as they fled.
No. There's no evidence I'm aware of that suggests that the gunners split off from the minutemen. The closet you get to that is after the last minutemen General died, the Colonels all started infighting over who would replace him. This infighting saw members like Ronnie Shaw leave the minutemen, but it also saw James Wire leave the minutemen and join up with a raider outfit and Lt. Clint betray the minutemen and join the gunners during the Quincy Massacre.
Billy commented on how his parents are all “burned up” like him when you bring him home, meaning last time he saw them they weren’t ghouls. so either he was in the fridge for over 200 years or his parents weren’t ghoulified from the Great War, they just all happened to be ghoulified for different reasons
Anyway... I have a new theory about the Children of Atom’s ”Mother”.
My theory is that Mother could be "Mother Maya" from Fallout 3. Either she died and transcended by Atoms grace, or she became a strong ghoul by all the radiation exposure and her pure resistance to the negative effects.
fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Maya
..and not only that, every-time you drink from the fountain (where Mother is) after the quest is done, you actually have the ability to walk among the creatures again in other locations as long as the effect is still on and they don't attack. So the spring can be used several times over. Not sure if it works with fast travel etc, I think you have to use it in close proximity where the effect still work.
These kind of videos make Fallout 4 more interesting and a good reason to go back and play the game. Thank you.
I have a Fallout 4 story, if anyone would like to read it-
Looking up, Ellen blinked. The orange, smog filled sky was all she could see. Dog meat barked, must have found something useful. Loading her gun, Ellen trecked into the Wastelands. It's been 198 years since the nukes came. At least that's what they say. Ellen was only 17, at the moment. A normal 17 year old shouldn't look like this. But she did. She was a ghoul. The radiation had effected her as a child, and her father was also a ghoul, which most likely made it worse. She never knew her mother. Her father raised her, but when they where fighting a huge gang or raiders, he was killed. At least, that's what she thought. Ellen was shot in the neck, which broke her voice box, but the Railroad fixed her right up. She will always be Allys with them. She found Dogmeat at a Redrocket. So, naturally, seeming he wasn't hostile, she befriended the German shepherd.
It's been 13 years.
It is now the year 2288, and someone has awoken. Theres a vault, Vault 111, on a hilltop. And the door has just been opened. A man, in his 30's, walks out. Ellen and Dogmeat wait for him. But a Deathclaw beats them to it.
It's been 3 days, the man has not woken up. Ellen and Dogmeat defeated the Deathclaw, but the man was injured brutally. Ellen patched him up, but tied him up too. Cant be to cautious. He opened his eyes. Blue. Matched with his dirty blonde hair.
He had a stubble, and a blue and yellow Vault suit on. On the back it said 111. To be continued.....
My boy, Liam O'Brien just partnered with Sam Riegel I'm becoming DnD Beyond "Presidents". I only bring this up because he's a voice actor in this game and he's wonderful.
Katie Marigold they’ve already been fired lol
I voted for ArseQueef
They're both in Far Harbor. O'Brien wants to murder the Children of Atom and Riegel is the scientist taking care of Dima.
"A Retconn by Bethesda"
I'd be willing to bet that cats had never really been given any serious thought at all in the series until NV, and Obsidian couldn't be bothered to make new models, textures, and animations for what amounts to a living decoration, so they had House say they were extinct, and didn't give it any thought beyond that.
Or in Lore speak, Mr. House was wrong.
I think it's the same thing with horses. They didn't want to make the horses and they knew if they added them players would want to be able to ride the horses do they just said “Horses are extinct”
Cats have been mentioned in the older Fallouts before NV. It's also safe to say that they're most likely extinct on the West Coast. So House was technically correct since he's knows more about what happens in the West than in the East
Maybe Cats just died out in the Western US in Fallout and not Eastern. This would explain why areas like Boston and West Virginia still have cats.
18:21 - i would love to have this sound as my alarm clock.
One of the creation club packs for Fallout 4 has the Tunnel Snakes from Vault 101 coming into the Commonwealth. So, that gives us two theories.
1. Covenant might have been started by a Vault 101 caravan that came to the Commonwealth along with the Tunnel Snakes.
2. The Tunnel Snakes traded some posters and maybe even a copy of the GOAT to Covenant for some caps and weapons.
But no one ever said that anything from the creation club is canon. I mean there's a doom outfit. Does that mean that doom guy came into the coomonwealth and left his armor behind?
@@ChuloInYourCulo No one ever said that anything from the creation club isn't canon. The Doom Armor is very easy to explain since it just shows up in your inventory and has no quest attached to it. It is obviously a costume, much like Grognak's, The Silver Shroud's and The Machinist.
@Jul Region I actually looked into it and yeah. Roslyn Chambers, the scientist behind the experiments, and her colleagues are said to have founded Covenant. Rosly Chambers started the experiments because, when she was a little girl, her parents were killed during the Broken Mask incident.
the gunners are really good with military tactics and take up defensive positions like vaults and overpasses
Do you know who doesn't notice me when I'm early
*A synth*
Oh no I was late it can only mean one thing
@@fieriko5808 _You_ *_Synth_*
@@daleyhuard3675 I think I hear some power armour outside
@@fieriko5808 oh nah, im fine with synths, I was just accusing you of being one. Im with the minutemen.
@@fieriko5808 B1-14 , initialize factory reset. authorization code Gamma-1-5- ton .
you're coming with me B1-14
I'm calling it that Fallout 76 is going to get undone/removed from cannon
It should
It really can't be canon. It breaks too much "established" lore.
@@Tsukasa829 We know Vault 76's existence is confirmed from dialogue in Fallout 3s Mothership Zeta DLC.
@@49mozzer but the game, itself? Nope
The vault is totally canon. But technically so are all the other vaults. The game just ruins basically every other part of lore. Add in that its commercially a failure and there's no way itll be canon.
It is reasonable to assume Mr. House was wrong without saying he was a "dum-dum". Communication and the ability to conduct research over long distances is very limited thus restricted House's knowledge to known animal life to NV and NCR area. Finding no evidence of cats in the area can lead to an extinction conclusion.
billy in the fridge couldnt have that theory as he didnt know he looked like a ghoul until he met his parents again. so it would have been before the bombs
When billy leaves the fridge he says everything looks so different then when he went in
I have a theory that the child Shaun you first meet in the institute is the real Shaun. When you tell nick about the kidnapping and that your child was very young at the time of kidnapping, he brings up the possibility of it being Kellogg as if it was very recent, not 50 to 60 years prior. There’s also a clearly recent trail leading from Kellogg’s old house to fort Hagen. Also, when you’re in the last scene of Kellogg’s memories, you can hear Diamond City Radio playing in the background voiced by Travis, who is clearly not over 60 years old. Why would the institute hide that from you? Probably to keep you away from the child they were using to make the gen 3 synths.
The old man Shaun is clearly your kid, his skin tone changes with yours and he never breaks character of being your son, even when you destroy everything he works for. He also appoints you as the next person to lead the institute give DNA for the synths in the institute allied ending. That doesn't make sense of he's not related to you.
Also, the trail you follow is new because Kellogg moved from diamond city recently. That doesn't mean he left immediately after Shaun left. Or if so, that the Shaun with him was the real Shaun.
Kid shaun also *deactivates* right in Front of your eyes.
Well...if Atum is a definite possibility in the Fallout universe, and if mythological history is to repeat as such, Atum may have created the same gods the Ancient Egyptians worshipped. On of which was Bastet. A goddess with a cat head. So. If Atum is real In FO4, then Bastet may very well be also. Hence the cats reappearence.
Keep the quality Bethesda content coming Nate. Given Fallout 76 and most of their recent press, it's easy to get on the hate train. But, the current Status of Bethesda has no impact on the quality of their past games. I could play and watch Fallout 3, New Vegas (I know, it's Obsidian), Fallout 4, Skyrim, and Oblivion every day for the rest of my life. As long as you continue covering these games, I'll keep watching.
yoooo bro just wanted to say ive watched ur videos for 3+ yrs now and everytime i play fallout 4 again for the 15+ time i always watch ur vids while playin cuz i always learn something new! love the channel bro fr im a die hard fallout fan from fallout 1-4
You're actually the reason I started playing Fallout
What game did you start with?
@@metetural9140 I started New Vegas, my broke butt is waiting to 4 to go on sale.
Debunking nates Billy theory.
He said he was playing at a friends house when the bombs fell.
And he was also baffled when he saw that his parents were ghouls.
So he couldn’t have been already a ghoul.
Wait so if billy was only in the fridge for a couple of months why would he ask his parents why they are burned like him
I always thought Cats were made by the institute. They would make perfect Spy’s Fallout 76 screwed up that theory as well.
Not necessarily.. They would have needed a template from some place.. So nabbing a few cats from West Virginia or at least off some traders coming from there would fit that bill nicely
Hasn't the institute kinda always been there though? That's what I understood anyways
@@theevillekid8118 The institute basically existed as soon as the CIT went underground
Let’s just all pretend like that game never happened
Thesepretzelssuckass 2 I can definitely get on board with that idea.
You know if you attack the ebony warrior in whiterun, the guards and everyone else will start attacking him
Theres actually a simple explanation to this
Each NPC is assigned to a specific Faction (Alva from Morthal for example will be part of the CrimeFactionHjaalmarch as she is from Morthal)
Ebony Warrior is unique, in that he will always spawn in a random hold, so Bethesda decided to just not give him the Crime - Faction.
Right channel, wrong video 😝
No they don't. They attack you & you get a bounty. Unless it's a stealth attack, then they just stand there.
Shady Sam still funny to watch everyone straight up attack him in a fit of rage because a Dragonborn decided to get hostile with him 😂
Simone Wilkens I know rip though it’s a tip
I think that part of the Covenant's prewar obsession can be caused by their synth paranoia as there were no synths then. So if some synth happen to wander into town, they would be a little confused due to the atmosphere. Of course, the residents don't live in pretend or something, but I still think that's an interesting thought.
Cats were mentioned in Follut 1 and 2, House was probably just wrong and they most likely mainly survived in the mid-west and North East
"mentioned" isnt the same as existing. They were also referenced as having been hunted and eaten into extinction
@@ChuloInYourCulo True but the girl mentioned it did own one so they would have recently gone extinct on the West Coast, doesn't mean anything about the East Coast.
And cats are amazing survivors. I could see a small group of feral cats surviving in the Northeast long enough to start repopulating again. Plus all I've seen in the game (and I could be wrong here) are gray tiger cats, which would is a great coloration for camouflage. A small feral population breeding in the wild would also account for just the one color variation we see everywhere as well.
You guys have to remember that Fallout 1 and 2 were made by a different company Bethesda didn't absolutely use EVERY single idea from the original games,and this can cause inconsistent ideas like the iguana and squirrel meat actually being human meat.