@Rory Finazzo the controller im using is basically a 72660 and its the same one i used on my buddys qs138 90h swapped ssr. So i have a ton of head room for a future qs swap. Definitely the way to go! I would check out the line up and decide for yourself as im not too up to date of whats new but probably a 72530 or something around 500+ phase amps and around 200 line amps. And youll be ready for a 15kw build in the future.
@@EmxBrandon thanks man this really helps im new to the whole custom e bike gang and i got a mx500 and my buddy stretched the swingarm 6" its gonna have dh mtb forks with a supermoto tires. i saw @chadpipkin840 lower the frame man i wanna do the same but i wanna see how it sits with a 200mm shock first
One note. High brake means that it works with 12V, so you can use a signal from your brake light levers switch. Low brake means that it works with ground signal. What ever of them you use will have two functions; deactivate the motor and activate the regen braking if activated. But regen will be only work if activated at the software parameters. So you can use any of those signals to stop the motor and avoid the motor pulling against your brakes.
Great addition! Those 2 are some of the things i never hook up since i do wheelies and feather the brake while using throttle the low brake just wouldnt work out for me but thinking about it now i could totally use that on a switch for when its parked just incase someone comes up and grabs the throttle. Curiosity always get them 😆 high brake would be cool with a brake light setup on a more street or drag racing orientation. Me personally i use the feature eabs when release that kicks on regen by releasing the throttle, feels more like traditional engine brake. Definitely appreciate the input and expand on more info for everyone!
@@EmxBrandon Yes, you can use that function as well as a safety device. Some controllers even have a separate signal input for that safety purposes. ie: Many bike has a micro switch that triggers that signal if it stand leg is open. Or activated with charging lead so it is not possible to start the vehicle if it is charging. Or like a dead man pedal. Etc.
Great stuff. Used other connectors prior and will def make the switch. For those interested, 5kw should be no issue with stock motor on that model (called mototech and other) that we have experienced too.
100% ive been running my mototec motor at 5kw for over a year now! I do intend to push the old stock motor to around 6-7kw just to see how much longer it will last before i slap in the new stock motor ive had for awhile.
maybe you can help me. I bought a City Coco E-Chopper a few months back. I just spent several months refurbishing it and spent most of my savings. I finally got it assembled and took it for a cruise. It was awesome! I rode it for most of the day. In the evening I took it to do my laundry. After my laundry was dry I went outside to discover when I turned the key, everything worked but the current that was supposed to flow to the motor. I have a serious heart condition and was pleasantly surprised when a couple with a pickup offered to haul it home for me. I have spent the last few days dissassembling it and reassembling it over and over again. I have watched every RUclips video including yours but have found no answers. I bought a couple extra controllers off tyhe internet a couple months ago and tried hooking them up to the bike, and get nothing. There is no wiring diagram. I cannot even get them to turn on. Can I send my controllers in to you to look at?
💪🏽💪🏽👋🏽 great video...I bought Fardriver 2 weeks ago to replace my Sabvoton 72150 but I haven't install it yet ..I'm trying to get all the knowledge I can get from RUclips videos..😂I'm more worried for Tunning up the Fardriver I don't want to friend my motor or battery..😂 my Stealth Bomber rides good i had no issues at all I just go faster than 50mph...
Your videos are really informative and to point. I have a question to do auto learning on Fardriver controller can the motor be installed and chain on sprocket or chain removed from sprocket?
Which pin in the board of controller for single line digital speedometer? Because i can't found the light blue wire on the my controller. And the wiring colour is very different with your controller.
Keep it up bro, keep it simple and straight to the point. Just learned a few years worth of knowledge in 30 min! Plus you answered a few questions of mine. Q- Do fardrivers only work with android? Or yes with iOS as well?
Hell yeah brother! Glad i could help! And yes fardriver works on both android and ios. Its actually easier to find the damn app in the apple store. The android you have to download it off the fardriver website.
@@EmxBrandon ehhh I won’t poke the android bear but there’s a reason the adjustable beds we make for RVs got rid of android and went to iOS only and Siri lol. These fardrivers are so rich with features over our stock mototec mannn
Thx for the video, have me seriously considering buying one of these controllers for my 48v vevor mx500. Question, how much of an improvement would this controller be over the stock controller that came with the vevor? My main issue with the stock one is the jerky throttle response. How much would the ND72240 controller improve this right out of the box if I decided not to change anything?
Right out of the box youll definitely have to do an auto learn. Ill have a video up in a couple weeks showing some basic tuning and knowledge to help get your set up dialed! The throttle response and modulation will be a massive improvement over the vevor controller, those things are basically on off switches lol. Those cheap controllers will mever compare to a tuneable controller like the votol or fardriver. But the best part about fardriver is the ease of use and bluetooth app for tuning on the fly off your phone. What amps is your battery rated for? I would honestly recommend a 72300 for that extra overhead and ability to turn it up more later on.
Awesome video! If I'm not using an ignition, (my throttle appears to be the same brand, but has the 3 speed and no ignition) do I just ignore the orange wire?
Youll need to hook up some sort of ignition, orange to battery positive is how the controller is turned on, so any kinda key switch or on off button inbetween that!
But for your throttle yes just hook up red, green, black for throttle and blue, yellow black, to whatever 3 speed wires you have! Yellow is mode 3 and blue is mode 1, with black being ground or mode 2 when nothings grounded to it.
Hella good video helped me wire up the key switch on my new kit, how was tuning out the box I hear they set them high!!l? I got a qs90 with the ND72300
Hell yeah glad i could help! Definitely seem like they have all been set to max line and phase amps from the ones ive had my hands on. Definitely double check everything before you do your autolearn! The qs90 shpuld be avle to handle everything that controller has though as long as you got the battery for it 🤙
@@EmxBrandon yessir got that amorge 36ah 240a con 400a burst, does it auto learn just like the Kelly's? I have the app and Bluetooth dongle and have looked at the power settings, just hesitant cause I don't wanna fry the controller I'm looking forward to seeing that tuning vid you're gonna do!
@Kenneth Benson im not too sure how it compares to a kelly. Super simple though just gotta connect to the app go to the second page and hit auto learn, gotta have the chain off and motor spinning free, once its beeping at you twist the throttle fully and it will spin forward for a bit then backwards just keep on the throttle till it stops and beeps 2 times then your good! The controller will only pull as many amps as its set too so burning it wont be an issue! Amorge for the win!!
What kind of speedometer compatible with the One-lin wire (blue) of fardriver ? I have try some cheap china speedo but not work (they work good with Votol IC One-line wire)
The fardriver need to be programmed to send one line signal. You most likely have a controller that does not and will need to use a display that gets signal from a hall wire like a ct22. I had a similar issue with my qs165 kit that came with a fardriver and dkd display. They ended up sending me a new fardriver that had the firmware for one line signal
They do if they are programmed for one-line communication. Something you have to ask for specifically. Most of us just use displays that use hall signal though but those dont display amp output
I followed all the steps for the throttle connector. The bike turns on and shows the voltage but when I throttle it doesn’t do anything. How do I fix this?
I just replied to a different comment you just left. But is the controller beeping? Make sure your wires are pinned and seated correctly in the connector housing. Double check everything. Make sure you set your temp sensor setting in the app along with low voltage cutoff if your using anything less than a 72v battery.
Would it be possible to use the fardriver controller for a 52v battery and then use the same fardriver controller for a 72v battery when I upgrade later on
Yup! All you gotta do is change your low voltage protect down to whatever is dead for 52v and you can run it no problem and slap a 72v on later with bo changes. I just hooked up my 72450 with a 48v for now and it works awesome!
Not necessarily, just depends how you have it wired. Are you sure you have the orange ignition wire hooked up correctly. Pin isn't loose or hanging out?
I have a kunray 3000 watt motor and a fardriver 72530 “no Bluetooth tongle yet “ it is beeping 7 times telling me the motor temp is too high . Can I just snip the white wire on the hall plug and be good to go or do I need to wait for the Bluetooth tongle to go into the setting and turn it off ?
@iamthebest1076 yup! If it has the white wire it's got a temp sensor! Definitely keep that intact lol. Once you get the bt dongle you'll have to figure out which sensor it is. You can keep messing with the selections till the temp reads right on the graph page. You'll see what I mean when you get into it!
Ok hope i didnt mess up. Cut the plugs for the throttle and 3speed switch. Would it matter if the ground wires are switced around? Like if the throttle ground is the 3speed ground?
Honestly i always do one thing at a time and dont just cut a bunch of stuff, so ive never got the 3 speed and throttle ground mixed up. Id imagine it doesnt matter since ground is shared. But worst case test everything before making the connectors.
Mahalos for the fast reply! I know but i have the e&c throttle and figured i put them all on the same plug. Then noticed i had 2 grounds lol. Then realized the 3speed needs its on ground. So now im going to put them all individual in a 6plug. Key/voltmeter combo on a 2pin connector (red/blk) and the third green wire going to controller. Sound right?
Ahh i gotcha, yeah if im not totally sure ill plug the pins in together without them in the connector and turn the controller on, go through the modes make sure they change and give it a little throttle to make sure its working. After ive confirmed then ill pin the connectors. And for the volt/key combo, on the fardriver look for a red 2 pin connector with pink and black. Youll put green to pink, black to black, and red to the orange ignition. Then you should be all set!
Any motor you can slap on will work with this wiring setup! The only difference will be in the tune itself. Otherwise the throttle and all that stuff is wired the same.
Your good! I don't think i mentioned dkd in this video, maybe in the new one. But it would be either the brown boost wire (which seems to be the new one-line wire) or the light blue. The brown wire is the one on a 2 pin connector with a blue with red striped wire!
@@EmxBrandon Thank you! Just orders the B1 chassis so I'm trying to piece everything needed before the bike arrives. Also, for the controller, do I simply email them and tell them which model I want? I didn't see a store / check out on their website
@johnny_digital7175 correct just email them and let them know which controller youd like. Ill have the dkd video out monday aswell! You can order the dkd from fardriver with the controller aswell
@@EmxBrandon I saw that but Im a diyer and like doing this stuff myself but also looking at cost savings vs buying a kit already adapted for the bike. Thanks for the info. Appreciate it 👍
Can I use the same Settings? My Motor is Kunray 72V 3000W, and my Battery is From eBay CaoMM 48V 20AH 35 AMP Max Continuous Discharge Current. i am waiting on my 72v 36ah Amorage
Hello, on my car driver ND96680 controller, two wires of yellow-brown and red-yellow connectors are cut off from the connector, what are they for? And one wire is missing on a large connector, is this how it should be?
@Electric bike на Рыбалку im not sure, i dont see those colors on the regular diagram. Youll have to look up a diagram for your controller. Chances are you dont need them if you already have whats hooked up in the video
I got to the end of the auto learn twisted thr throttle but my motor didnt move. Im connected via the fardriver app. Everything is hooked up right. But that beeping wont go away and thr motor never moves.
I'm having the same issue. I have an ec4p with 76v 20ah battery with electro and co throttle. I followed the video to a t but when I twist the throttle the motor doesn't move. The controller just keeps beeping. Please help emxbrandon
Yeah it worked out just fine! I really like the knock off surron throttles lately. Much cleaner as im not a fan of the switches and key switch combined with the throttle. And the spring back is much stiffer allowing for better modulation!
@@EmxBrandon Oh ok I have seen those and they look promising. I like that they are metal casing rather than the cheap plastic casing. In your opinion, if I already have an amazon throttle, would it be worth spending an extra $25-30 for the surron throttle? Or does it not add that much of a difference with the fardriver? Thanks for the reply
@schmeglyomigy6174 its really not gonna make a big difference as far as how the voltage is sent to the controller. But the stronger spring will give you a little more of a fine tune feel. Its hard to explain 😆
@@EmxBrandon Well I have ridden surrons before so I might know what you are saying. To me, the surron throttle feels more solid but also feels heavier in a way that makes it feel good. Also, I noticed that it snaps back quicker when you release the throttle. Is this the feeling you are referring to? It’s a bit disappointing to hear it doesn’t change the actual electronic feel but I should have figured.
@schmeglyomigy6174 yup! Thats exactly what im trying to say, feels solid and heavier so when your twisting the throttle you feel it pulling against you which makes for better modulation. Where the cheap throttles its easy to twist through them. But yeah unfortunately its not gonna send signal any different, it might be a touch more accurate, nothing i can notice atleast.
@@EmxBrandon im looking at getting a bike soon. Here in Australia we dont have the mototech it's called crossfire 1500w. Im actually looking at getting a DHZ 2200E it is 60v 2200w out of box. But im completely new to electric so not to sure on the DHZ. I want it to race with the 110cc pitbike races near me.
@Vicious Violet im a big fan of the mototec style bikes and how much power they can handle with a controller swap! Those 60v dhz bikes look awesome though and out of the box look alot beefier and bigger that would probably get you closer to 110 power with out modifications!
@@EmxBrandon yeah im 6,1 adult so was thinking the DHZ might be better. Definitely looks stronger. I want to be able to jump it on the track. And yeah i thought since both bikes are basically the same price the DHZ is better value since it's 60v out of box. I absolutely appreciate any help as im completely new to electric.
@@EmxBrandon Ok nice. So with the throttle that would be like $150 right? Also I’m experiencing trouble with battery voltage sag when throttling. Would I be able to set the fardriver voltage cutoff to none because my current controller shuts off while i’m throttling
@schmeglyomigy6174 depends on the throttle you get, the knock off surron throttles are 40 bucks. Plus youll need assorted waterproof connectors with the pin crimpers and some other stuff like volt meter on/off switch. And you dont wanna change low voltage cutoff, youll destroy your battery. Sounds like you have a bad cell or parallel group in your battery already if its sagging real bad. Nothing on the controller settings can change that.
Are you on Android or iPhone? If iphone just type fardriver in the app store. If android go to your google search bar and type "fardriver app for android" then click the first link with the page that shows the bluetooth dongle with a small green box on the bottom left that says download. Make sure your permissions are turned on and download the app. Once app is downloaded it will ask for a verification code. Type your email and send code to email. Type 6 digit code back into the fardriver app and hit verify. Once your connected to the app in the comm page make sure to press bound to controller. Once all that is complete you can go to the paras page and hit open pro and tune your controller freely
@bennyblaze4571 did you do the binding process? After thr binding process you need to change temp sensor to none. If your running a battery less than 72v youll also need to change your low voltage protect. Once all that is finished you need to run the auto learn process, all explained at the end of the vid!
Id say the tuning is the hardest part, if your like me once you get this in your hands and sort out which wires are for what and start one at a time its super easy!
Haha thanks for watching! Ive been super busy working on other stuff like my buddys dirtbikes and whatnot. I just gotta make some time so i can fab up my sx swing arm to get that motor mounted. Then ill be making a video showing what i know about tuning the fardriver so hopefully we can keep the motors safe 😆🤘
@@EmxBrandon looking forward bud. myself i bought a broken 2016 kuberg freerider which i'll be replacing components on, starting with the controller. it's a bit shit cause everything's colour coded differently but steadily figuring it out.
My name's Travis I'm not seeing the controller in the scan spot. . It turns on then beeps and then beeps again. Travis caldwell from Ohio. I'm at the track now . It ran last night
So you’re saying that QS motors sells a different far driver than the actual brand? This is the first time I’m hearing of this. I’m getting ready to purchase the 72850.
got me sad bro ordered everything you got did everything you did wires just don’t wanna connect in the connector no clue why i got the same exact ones as you followed every step and they just won’t click
The encoder model will have different wire colors. But if you have a hall version this method will work with any motor you stick to a fardriver! And once you do an auto learn it will get you really close to a good tune, then its all about dialing it in for your personal feel.
The throttle is straigh forward, green to green black to black and red to red. For the voltmeter key combo you will have 3 wires. The black will go to ground. On the fardriver harness look for a red 2 pin connector it will have pink and black. Put your voltmeter/key black to that black on red 2 pin. Now you have 2 wires left most likely green and red and youll have a 50 50 shot no risk of getting it wrong. Take that pink wire that was next to the black on the red 2 pin on fardrivet and twist it to one of those left over wires on voltmeter/key (for testing! then you can pin them when your sure) and for the last wire on volt/key, twist it to the lone orange wire. If you get those 2 backwards the only thing that will happen is the volt meter will stay on even if key is off. If thats the case switch the wires and your done!
@@EmxBrandon I'm working on it right now. My throttle wires are black blue brown. Knock off surron from ali. I think I got the volt meter figured out from ur help
The siayq72180 version sucks they have the modes programmed goofy as hell. If you buy a fardriver get it from the source!! Email fardriver directly. I got this controller from a kit off aliexpress from siaecosys
Idk what bell means? Are you saying it's beeping? Did you finish the video and set up the controller? You have to get it set up and do the autolearn to get it to stop beeping.
I watched the whole video and the 3 connections are correct, I checked them 1000 times. but as soon as I turn it on and apply voltage it starts to ring, it stops if I accelerate (the wheel turns in reverse) and as soon as the wheel stops it starts to ring again...
@@OMTRacing you need to finish autolearn! Chain off, hold the throttle wide open until it spins one way then the other and beeps twice. Then its finished.
Gas swaps will always be cheaper, its so easy to walk into a tool store and pick up a 200 dollar predator engine, or find a engine on market place. Electric is definitely an expensive hobby whether you diy it or buy ug and play. The battery prices are what really get ya.
@@EmxBrandon yeah, luckily my buddy has a old gx160 that he is giving to me with a mini frame and some money for a mini frame i have, might post a video of it all finished up one day
@@EmxBrandon what were you saying about three speed? Like some controller are different some it doesn't work right? I didn't see this before and I ordered one random off AliExpress so just curious. Sorry voice text messed up first one up I didn't see 😆
@Razorcrew_Cole haha all good bro! Yeah the controller i got was siayq72180 which was a fardriver with firmware siaecosys used, as long as you got a "nd" or "ns" series your good! The one i had just have a goofy throttle ramp in mode 1 and 2 but hopefully those controllers have all disappeared 😆 it was ordered in a motor kit btw and i dont think they sold them stand alone.
For a first time user the fatdriver blows votol out the water for usability. Votol has great throttle control but a fardriver will deliver all the amps!
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can i use a fardriver controller for my 72v 3000w vevor motor ?
@@TERP4 yeah of course!
@@EmxBrandon which model would you recommend i plan to upgrade to a qs motor in the future
@Rory Finazzo the controller im using is basically a 72660 and its the same one i used on my buddys qs138 90h swapped ssr. So i have a ton of head room for a future qs swap. Definitely the way to go! I would check out the line up and decide for yourself as im not too up to date of whats new but probably a 72530 or something around 500+ phase amps and around 200 line amps. And youll be ready for a 15kw build in the future.
@@EmxBrandon thanks man this really helps im new to the whole custom e bike gang and i got a mx500 and my buddy stretched the swingarm 6" its gonna have dh mtb forks with a supermoto tires. i saw @chadpipkin840 lower the frame man i wanna do the same but i wanna see how it sits with a 200mm shock first
I am not going to lie, i watched this about 6 times 😂😂😂😂😂.
this is by far the best 60v build i have seen… keep up the good work!!!
Thank you! 🤘🏻
so glad I get to watch while at work. finally something to keep me occupied
Haha hell yeah!
Awesome work. You're a good teacher and inspiration. Keep doing what you're doing.
I appreciate that! 🙏
Thanks for the fardriver info!
I'm putting a fardriver on a bomber build. This helps so much
No problem! I hope its a ripper!
One note.
High brake means that it works with 12V, so you can use a signal from your brake light levers switch.
Low brake means that it works with ground signal.
What ever of them you use will have two functions; deactivate the motor and activate the regen braking if activated. But regen will be only work if activated at the software parameters.
So you can use any of those signals to stop the motor and avoid the motor pulling against your brakes.
Great addition! Those 2 are some of the things i never hook up since i do wheelies and feather the brake while using throttle the low brake just wouldnt work out for me but thinking about it now i could totally use that on a switch for when its parked just incase someone comes up and grabs the throttle. Curiosity always get them 😆 high brake would be cool with a brake light setup on a more street or drag racing orientation. Me personally i use the feature eabs when release that kicks on regen by releasing the throttle, feels more like traditional engine brake. Definitely appreciate the input and expand on more info for everyone!
@@EmxBrandon Glad to help :)
@@EmxBrandon Yes, you can use that function as well as a safety device.
Some controllers even have a separate signal input for that safety purposes.
ie: Many bike has a micro switch that triggers that signal if it stand leg is open.
Or activated with charging lead so it is not possible to start the vehicle if it is charging.
Or like a dead man pedal.
Etc.
This video helped me wire up my 72360. Thanks a bunch 🤘🏼
No problem! Glad it helped!
Great stuff. Used other connectors prior and will def make the switch. For those interested, 5kw should be no issue with stock motor on that model (called mototech and other) that we have experienced too.
100% ive been running my mototec motor at 5kw for over a year now! I do intend to push the old stock motor to around 6-7kw just to see how much longer it will last before i slap in the new stock motor ive had for awhile.
maybe you can help me. I bought a City Coco E-Chopper a few months back. I just spent several months refurbishing it and spent most of my savings. I finally got it assembled and took it for a cruise. It was awesome! I rode it for most of the day. In the evening I took it to do my laundry. After my laundry was dry I went outside to discover when I turned the key, everything worked but the current that was supposed to flow to the motor.
I have a serious heart condition and was pleasantly surprised when a couple with a pickup offered to haul it home for me.
I have spent the last few days dissassembling it and reassembling it over and over again. I have watched every RUclips video including yours but have found no answers.
I bought a couple extra controllers off tyhe internet a couple months ago and tried hooking them up to the bike, and get nothing. There is no wiring diagram. I cannot even get them to turn on.
Can I send my controllers in to you to look at?
💪🏽💪🏽👋🏽 great video...I bought Fardriver 2 weeks ago to replace my Sabvoton 72150 but I haven't install it yet ..I'm trying to get all the knowledge I can get from RUclips videos..😂I'm more worried for Tunning up the Fardriver I don't want to friend my motor or battery..😂 my Stealth Bomber rides good i had no issues at all I just go faster than 50mph...
Great job explaining the connections. Subscribed.
Appreciate you!
Congrats on the 1000 subs!! To the moon!! 😎🤙🏼🚀🚀
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Brother, how can I reverse the direction of the motor’s rotation? What is the choice within the application? Thank you.
Motor direction change it to 0 or 1
@@EmxBrandon Thank you very much, I wish you success and a happy life.
Your videos are really informative and to point. I have a question to do auto learning on Fardriver controller can the motor be installed and chain on sprocket or chain removed from sprocket?
Chain off sprocket! That way theres no resistance and it can get the highest rated rpm the motor will allow!
How do I check what type of throttle my fardriver ND72680 controller supports
Thank you for taking the time to break it down 🙏
No problem!
Instead of buying the waterproof connectors can i just take off the ones from the old mototec controller and put it on my fardriver?
Yeah for sure, you'll still need to have thr correct pins crimper to the wires though
Which pin in the board of controller for single line digital speedometer?
Because i can't found the light blue wire on the my controller. And the wiring colour is very different with your controller.
What controller do you have? It's either solid brown or light blue. All of the newer model fardrivers use the solid brown boost wire for one line
@@EmxBrandon my controller is Fardriver ND72450.
@a.n.d.ae.v961 copy, you'll use the brown boost wire. It's a solid brown wire on a 2 pin connector with a red/blue wire.
Right now I have an 1800w 52v setup so just to make sure I can use the same controller for a 72v 3000w setup right
Yup! 48-72v will work fine! Just set your low voltage protect to 39
Can you help with lcd screen? Wiring up
nice bro congrats on hitting 1K subs 🤙🏼
Thanks brotha! Congrats to you aswell your moving up fast!!
Keep it up bro, keep it simple and straight to the point. Just learned a few years worth of knowledge in 30 min!
Plus you answered a few questions of mine.
Q- Do fardrivers only work with android? Or yes with iOS as well?
Hell yeah brother! Glad i could help! And yes fardriver works on both android and ios. Its actually easier to find the damn app in the apple store. The android you have to download it off the fardriver website.
@@EmxBrandon ehhh I won’t poke the android bear but there’s a reason the adjustable beds we make for RVs got rid of android and went to iOS only and Siri lol.
These fardrivers are so rich with features over our stock mototec mannn
Thx for the video, have me seriously considering buying one of these controllers for my 48v vevor mx500. Question, how much of an improvement would this controller be over the stock controller that came with the vevor? My main issue with the stock one is the jerky throttle response. How much would the ND72240 controller improve this right out of the box if I decided not to change anything?
Right out of the box youll definitely have to do an auto learn. Ill have a video up in a couple weeks showing some basic tuning and knowledge to help get your set up dialed! The throttle response and modulation will be a massive improvement over the vevor controller, those things are basically on off switches lol. Those cheap controllers will mever compare to a tuneable controller like the votol or fardriver. But the best part about fardriver is the ease of use and bluetooth app for tuning on the fly off your phone. What amps is your battery rated for? I would honestly recommend a 72300 for that extra overhead and ability to turn it up more later on.
Awesome video! If I'm not using an ignition, (my throttle appears to be the same brand, but has the 3 speed and no ignition) do I just ignore the orange wire?
Youll need to hook up some sort of ignition, orange to battery positive is how the controller is turned on, so any kinda key switch or on off button inbetween that!
But for your throttle yes just hook up red, green, black for throttle and blue, yellow black, to whatever 3 speed wires you have! Yellow is mode 3 and blue is mode 1, with black being ground or mode 2 when nothings grounded to it.
Ok, so would the stock on/off switch on the battery cover work, or do I need an additional switch?
@mdcskate22 that will work perfect!
@@EmxBrandon Thank you!
Hella good video helped me wire up the key switch on my new kit, how was tuning out the box I hear they set them high!!l? I got a qs90 with the ND72300
Hell yeah glad i could help! Definitely seem like they have all been set to max line and phase amps from the ones ive had my hands on. Definitely double check everything before you do your autolearn! The qs90 shpuld be avle to handle everything that controller has though as long as you got the battery for it 🤙
@@EmxBrandon yessir got that amorge 36ah 240a con 400a burst, does it auto learn just like the Kelly's? I have the app and Bluetooth dongle and have looked at the power settings, just hesitant cause I don't wanna fry the controller I'm looking forward to seeing that tuning vid you're gonna do!
@Kenneth Benson im not too sure how it compares to a kelly. Super simple though just gotta connect to the app go to the second page and hit auto learn, gotta have the chain off and motor spinning free, once its beeping at you twist the throttle fully and it will spin forward for a bit then backwards just keep on the throttle till it stops and beeps 2 times then your good! The controller will only pull as many amps as its set too so burning it wont be an issue! Amorge for the win!!
Just wonderijng, is the aliexpress controller working (other than the 3 speed)?
Im not sure what you mean? Of course it was working, you can check out the sx500 build i put the kit in
Thank you so much for this video. It's really helpful for my project
No problem! Im glad i could help!
What kind of speedometer compatible with the One-lin wire (blue) of fardriver ? I have try some cheap china speedo but not work (they work good with Votol IC One-line wire)
The fardriver need to be programmed to send one line signal. You most likely have a controller that does not and will need to use a display that gets signal from a hall wire like a ct22. I had a similar issue with my qs165 kit that came with a fardriver and dkd display. They ended up sending me a new fardriver that had the firmware for one line signal
Which fardriver model would you most recommend for running a 52v and then a 60 or 72v later on
Depends in your power goals! 72300 for 5-7kw 72450 for 7-14kw
Ok thanks
question do these fardriver controllers send infomation to a screen like voltage watts and other things?
They do if they are programmed for one-line communication. Something you have to ask for specifically. Most of us just use displays that use hall signal though but those dont display amp output
I followed all the steps for the throttle connector. The bike turns on and shows the voltage but when I throttle it doesn’t do anything. How do I fix this?
I just replied to a different comment you just left. But is the controller beeping? Make sure your wires are pinned and seated correctly in the connector housing. Double check everything. Make sure you set your temp sensor setting in the app along with low voltage cutoff if your using anything less than a 72v battery.
Would it be possible to use the fardriver controller for a 52v battery and then use the same fardriver controller for a 72v battery when I upgrade later on
Yup! All you gotta do is change your low voltage protect down to whatever is dead for 52v and you can run it no problem and slap a 72v on later with bo changes. I just hooked up my 72450 with a 48v for now and it works awesome!
Ok thanks. Which fardriver model would you most recommend for running a 52v and then a 60 or 72v later on
HI,GUY I SAW YOUR VIDEO,i bought a Far driver, but when I switch on it bell immediately, and I can find the solution.... what can I do?
It bell immediately?
25:28 just to be clear, that read o ring terminal connected on top of the battery is the volt meter correct?
Yes that red wire with the ring terminal bolted with battery positive powers both the volt meter and controller on.
Hey quick question, if my volt meter turns on, but i dont hear beeping from my controller, what does that mean?
Might need to go back through your wiring and make sure everythings right. Orange needs to touch positive through a key switch in order to turn on.
@EmxBrandon But if the wiring is wrong wouldn't the voltage meter stay off?
Not necessarily, just depends how you have it wired. Are you sure you have the orange ignition wire hooked up correctly. Pin isn't loose or hanging out?
@EmxBrandon It didn't look loose but redid all the wiring for the throttle and it's beeping now! Thank you so much!
@@sirstefano4269 hell yeah!
I got them same Vans and a sick 72v razor.
Easily my favorite slip ons i own! Im a big cans nerd 😆🤙 hell yeah man i bet it rips!
I have a kunray 3000 watt motor and a fardriver 72530 “no Bluetooth tongle yet “ it is beeping 7 times telling me the motor temp is too high . Can I just snip the white wire on the hall plug and be good to go or do I need to wait for the Bluetooth tongle to go into the setting and turn it off ?
You need to wait for the bt dongle so ypu can change the temp sensor type. Cutting the wire wont help.
@@EmxBrandon thank you for the response 🙏. I guess I’ll just chill out and wait haha
@iamthebest1076 haha for sure! Does the kunray has a built in temp sensor?
@@EmxBrandon I don’t know tbh, it does have a the white wire in the hall sensor though if that says anything
@iamthebest1076 yup! If it has the white wire it's got a temp sensor! Definitely keep that intact lol. Once you get the bt dongle you'll have to figure out which sensor it is. You can keep messing with the selections till the temp reads right on the graph page. You'll see what I mean when you get into it!
Where do you get the fardriver directly from fadriver please
This is who i emailed
lvchao@far-driver.com
Will this fardriver work with a surron motor and battery?
Yeah of course! My buddy has a surron with a fardriver and it rips! The stock battery is limited to 5kw though unless you bypass the bms.
@@EmxBrandon awesome, ya the stock surron controller and harness has been issues so ill get a fardriver to get it connected better
Ok hope i didnt mess up. Cut the plugs for the throttle and 3speed switch. Would it matter if the ground wires are switced around? Like if the throttle ground is the 3speed ground?
Honestly i always do one thing at a time and dont just cut a bunch of stuff, so ive never got the 3 speed and throttle ground mixed up. Id imagine it doesnt matter since ground is shared. But worst case test everything before making the connectors.
Mahalos for the fast reply! I know but i have the e&c throttle and figured i put them all on the same plug. Then noticed i had 2 grounds lol. Then realized the 3speed needs its on ground. So now im going to put them all individual in a 6plug. Key/voltmeter combo on a 2pin connector (red/blk) and the third green wire going to controller. Sound right?
Ahh i gotcha, yeah if im not totally sure ill plug the pins in together without them in the connector and turn the controller on, go through the modes make sure they change and give it a little throttle to make sure its working. After ive confirmed then ill pin the connectors.
And for the volt/key combo, on the fardriver look for a red 2 pin connector with pink and black. Youll put green to pink, black to black, and red to the orange ignition. Then you should be all set!
Dont i just use the black from the red connector(alarm) for the volt/key side ground?
Think i found the throttle ground lol. Referred to the pin layout. Moved the rubber boot up and found wire which went where 🤙🏾
WOW awesome video! Do you know if setup will be the same for a qs90? Also will your tune work for a qs90? Thanks in advance for any help.
Any motor you can slap on will work with this wiring setup! The only difference will be in the tune itself. Otherwise the throttle and all that stuff is wired the same.
Thank you brotha! Just got a qs90 and 72360. You make it look easy 😂
@dennisohashi2337 nah it is easy! You got this! 🤘 qs90 is a bad little motor and with the 360 👌 what are you putting it in?
Mx650 n having a swing arm being made for it. Man your videos have so much information it’s crazy. Thanks again for all the awesome information!
@@dennisohashi007 no problem!
Which wire on the fardriver harness would be used for a dkd display? I apologize if i missed this info in the video
Your good! I don't think i mentioned dkd in this video, maybe in the new one. But it would be either the brown boost wire (which seems to be the new one-line wire) or the light blue. The brown wire is the one on a 2 pin connector with a blue with red striped wire!
@@EmxBrandon Thank you! Just orders the B1 chassis so I'm trying to piece everything needed before the bike arrives. Also, for the controller, do I simply email them and tell them which model I want? I didn't see a store / check out on their website
@johnny_digital7175 correct just email them and let them know which controller youd like. Ill have the dkd video out monday aswell! You can order the dkd from fardriver with the controller aswell
@@EmxBrandon I saw that but Im a diyer and like doing this stuff myself but also looking at cost savings vs buying a kit already adapted for the bike. Thanks for the info. Appreciate it 👍
@@johnny_digital7175 no problem!
How is this throttle with the fardriver ?
It works fine!
Can I use the same Settings? My Motor is Kunray 72V 3000W, and my Battery is From eBay CaoMM
48V 20AH 35 AMP Max Continuous Discharge Current. i am waiting on my 72v 36ah Amorage
Unfortunately not those my1020 motors will respond differently. And with that battery youll only wanna pull the 35 amps its rated at.
Hello, on my car driver ND96680 controller, two wires of yellow-brown and red-yellow connectors are cut off from the connector, what are they for?
And one wire is missing on a large connector, is this how it should be?
Honestly if you go to ant fardriver listing on aliexpress and look at the description they have wire diagrams that will tell you what every wire is!
Off the top of my head i think those are alarm wires which arent needed
I found all the wires from your video, but I also have additional wires cut off, but I don't understand what they are for
@Electric bike на Рыбалку im not sure, i dont see those colors on the regular diagram. Youll have to look up a diagram for your controller. Chances are you dont need them if you already have whats hooked up in the video
man I got a FD for my sur ron this is harder than I expected. thanks for the guide and you did a good job
No problem! Appreciate that! Hopefully you got it all dialed!
@@EmxBrandon tech is doing it ready next week. I'm getting the fd144600 so maybe that one was jus too noob
I got to the end of the auto learn twisted thr throttle but my motor didnt move. Im connected via the fardriver app. Everything is hooked up right. But that beeping wont go away and thr motor never moves.
Whats your hall angle set too? And what motor?
Thr cheap hub motor with the green strip people are using mines 48v. For some reason I can't find hall angle was it one you went over in the vid?
I'm having the same issue. I have an ec4p with 76v 20ah battery with electro and co throttle. I followed the video to a t but when I twist the throttle the motor doesn't move. The controller just keeps beeping. Please help emxbrandon
7 beeps to be exact on the nd72360
@@MrYunglaoshave you fixed this yet? And if so how?
What type of wire is that wire u have the red one
The red wire i was using for the connectors? I believe it was just some regular 16awg
Which fardriver for surron battery
Uo to you really if your gonna stick to the stock battery a 72300 or 72360.
Does that amazon throttle work smoothly with the controller or do you think an option like the electro and co throttle would feel better?
Yeah it worked out just fine! I really like the knock off surron throttles lately. Much cleaner as im not a fan of the switches and key switch combined with the throttle. And the spring back is much stiffer allowing for better modulation!
@@EmxBrandon Oh ok I have seen those and they look promising. I like that they are metal casing rather than the cheap plastic casing. In your opinion, if I already have an amazon throttle, would it be worth spending an extra $25-30 for the surron throttle? Or does it not add that much of a difference with the fardriver? Thanks for the reply
@schmeglyomigy6174 its really not gonna make a big difference as far as how the voltage is sent to the controller. But the stronger spring will give you a little more of a fine tune feel. Its hard to explain 😆
@@EmxBrandon Well I have ridden surrons before so I might know what you are saying. To me, the surron throttle feels more solid but also feels heavier in a way that makes it feel good. Also, I noticed that it snaps back quicker when you release the throttle. Is this the feeling you are referring to? It’s a bit disappointing to hear it doesn’t change the actual electronic feel but I should have figured.
@schmeglyomigy6174 yup! Thats exactly what im trying to say, feels solid and heavier so when your twisting the throttle you feel it pulling against you which makes for better modulation. Where the cheap throttles its easy to twist through them. But yeah unfortunately its not gonna send signal any different, it might be a touch more accurate, nothing i can notice atleast.
Does this tune work for the my 1020d
Absolutely not, your controller needs to be tuned to your motor.
Thanks for the video man, I'm just getting into the fardrivers👊🏽
No problem! What are you putting one in?
@@EmxBrandon my TimeEt
@Kadeen E-moto maybe im thinking of a different bike but doesnt that come with a fardriver stock? Maybe its the arctic leopard 🤔
How do you like it?
@EmxBrandon Maybe it's the arctic, The timeet comes with the APT72400
@Kadeen E-moto copy that. I see you killin it on that thing! I think a fardriver would definitely be a benefit for you 🤘
This is so helpful. Thank you.💜
Glad i could help! Hopefully ill have a tuning video up in the next few weeks!
@@EmxBrandon im looking at getting a bike soon. Here in Australia we dont have the mototech it's called crossfire 1500w. Im actually looking at getting a DHZ 2200E it is 60v 2200w out of box. But im completely new to electric so not to sure on the DHZ. I want it to race with the 110cc pitbike races near me.
@Vicious Violet im a big fan of the mototec style bikes and how much power they can handle with a controller swap! Those 60v dhz bikes look awesome though and out of the box look alot beefier and bigger that would probably get you closer to 110 power with out modifications!
@@EmxBrandon yeah im 6,1 adult so was thinking the DHZ might be better. Definitely looks stronger. I want to be able to jump it on the track. And yeah i thought since both bikes are basically the same price the DHZ is better value since it's 60v out of box. I absolutely appreciate any help as im completely new to electric.
How much does it cost for this whole controller setup with all the wiring and the controller
Depends on the controller and throttle you get. Probably around 300- 350
@@EmxBrandon Ok thanks. For the cheapest (least power) controller, how much would that be from fardriver?
@@schmeglyomigy6174 72240 would be the cheapest, but 72300 s12 would be best. Those are around 120-140?
@@EmxBrandon Ok nice. So with the throttle that would be like $150 right? Also I’m experiencing trouble with battery voltage sag when throttling. Would I be able to set the fardriver voltage cutoff to none because my current controller shuts off while i’m throttling
@schmeglyomigy6174 depends on the throttle you get, the knock off surron throttles are 40 bucks. Plus youll need assorted waterproof connectors with the pin crimpers and some other stuff like volt meter on/off switch.
And you dont wanna change low voltage cutoff, youll destroy your battery. Sounds like you have a bad cell or parallel group in your battery already if its sagging real bad. Nothing on the controller settings can change that.
Thank you for sharing.
No problem!
Where did you find the battery?
Came out of my mototec
@@EmxBrandon was it factory with the bike? I need one that small for a special project. Do you have a link to the battery?
@@billyhendrix they are out of stock. Hit up allen@amorge.com and see what he can do for you
My fardriver keeps beeping seven times. No power to throttle or motor any suggestions?
Do you have a temp sensor on your motor? If not you meed to change temp sensor to none in the app.
I appreciate the quick reply. You're the only one who got back to me... That's another issue I'm having. The link to the QR code isn't working.
Are you on Android or iPhone? If iphone just type fardriver in the app store. If android go to your google search bar and type "fardriver app for android" then click the first link with the page that shows the bluetooth dongle with a small green box on the bottom left that says download. Make sure your permissions are turned on and download the app. Once app is downloaded it will ask for a verification code. Type your email and send code to email. Type 6 digit code back into the fardriver app and hit verify. Once your connected to the app in the comm page make sure to press bound to controller. Once all that is complete you can go to the paras page and hit open pro and tune your controller freely
So I downloaded the app on my daughter's apple. All good there. Now, still beeping seven times and no power to motor
@bennyblaze4571 did you do the binding process? After thr binding process you need to change temp sensor to none. If your running a battery less than 72v youll also need to change your low voltage protect. Once all that is finished you need to run the auto learn process, all explained at the end of the vid!
Is this as hard as it looks
Id say the tuning is the hardest part, if your like me once you get this in your hands and sort out which wires are for what and start one at a time its super easy!
the amount of times i've watched this lol
my fardriver should get here soon and i know i'll be referring to it just a few more times
Haha thanks for watching! Ive been super busy working on other stuff like my buddys dirtbikes and whatnot. I just gotta make some time so i can fab up my sx swing arm to get that motor mounted. Then ill be making a video showing what i know about tuning the fardriver so hopefully we can keep the motors safe 😆🤘
@@EmxBrandon looking forward bud. myself i bought a broken 2016 kuberg freerider which i'll be replacing components on, starting with the controller. it's a bit shit cause everything's colour coded differently but steadily figuring it out.
My name's Travis I'm not seeing the controller in the scan spot. .
It turns on then beeps and then beeps again.
Travis caldwell from Ohio. I'm at the track now .
It ran last night
Try updating your app, make sure the dongle is plugged in. Whats the beep sequence? Im assuming youve already had it running?
So you’re saying that QS motors sells a different far driver than the actual brand? This is the first time I’m hearing of this. I’m getting ready to purchase the 72850.
Not qs, siaecosys sells a fardriver with their own firmware or possibly old firmware. Nice choice ypu should be making some power!
Awsome. Thanks alot!
No problem!
How do you know all this stuff man? You're a beast!
Tons of research and trial and error! Appreciate that!!
got me sad bro ordered everything you got did everything you did wires just don’t wanna connect in the connector no clue why i got the same exact ones as you followed every step and they just won’t click
Each pin goes in a certian way and clicks into place. Look up some videos of waterproof connectors. Practice! Youll get it!
Same I have to jam them in with a mini flat head it won't click in
Sweet video now can you do the same with the qs165 lol
The encoder model will have different wire colors. But if you have a hall version this method will work with any motor you stick to a fardriver! And once you do an auto learn it will get you really close to a good tune, then its all about dialing it in for your personal feel.
Do the tune video man😊
Haha its coming!
im getting confused because im using a 3 wire throttle and a seperate 3 wire keyswitch and volt meter.
The throttle is straigh forward, green to green black to black and red to red.
For the voltmeter key combo you will have 3 wires. The black will go to ground. On the fardriver harness look for a red 2 pin connector it will have pink and black. Put your voltmeter/key black to that black on red 2 pin. Now you have 2 wires left most likely green and red and youll have a 50 50 shot no risk of getting it wrong. Take that pink wire that was next to the black on the red 2 pin on fardrivet and twist it to one of those left over wires on voltmeter/key (for testing! then you can pin them when your sure) and for the last wire on volt/key, twist it to the lone orange wire. If you get those 2 backwards the only thing that will happen is the volt meter will stay on even if key is off. If thats the case switch the wires and your done!
@@EmxBrandon thank u man! I'ma go try it right bow
@michaelg8191 sounds good! Keep me updated!
@@EmxBrandon I'm working on it right now. My throttle wires are black blue brown. Knock off surron from ali. I think I got the volt meter figured out from ur help
Brown to red black to black and blue to green!
Good video boss. 🚀 subscribed 👌
Appreciate you brother!
I'm confused you said the controller sucks then you say it's good?
The siayq72180 version sucks they have the modes programmed goofy as hell. If you buy a fardriver get it from the source!! Email fardriver directly. I got this controller from a kit off aliexpress from siaecosys
Yes,immediatly..
Idk what bell means? Are you saying it's beeping? Did you finish the video and set up the controller? You have to get it set up and do the autolearn to get it to stop beeping.
I watched the whole video and the 3 connections are correct, I checked them 1000 times. but as soon as I turn it on and apply voltage it starts to ring, it stops if I accelerate (the wheel turns in reverse) and as soon as the wheel stops it starts to ring again...
@@OMTRacing you need to finish autolearn! Chain off, hold the throttle wide open until it spins one way then the other and beeps twice. Then its finished.
@@EmxBrandon ok'll try and inform you Thanks soo much for now👍🏻
But my motor is a QSmotor on wheel ,no chain....🤔
No past no go
Straight to jail
It all looks expensive, I would do this if i had the money to do it but i dont and might do a gas swap instead
Gas swaps will always be cheaper, its so easy to walk into a tool store and pick up a 200 dollar predator engine, or find a engine on market place. Electric is definitely an expensive hobby whether you diy it or buy ug and play. The battery prices are what really get ya.
@@EmxBrandon yeah, luckily my buddy has a old gx160 that he is giving to me with a mini frame and some money for a mini frame i have, might post a video of it all finished up one day
@Mr.DoSanto that would be awesome! Do you have a razor already that you wanna swap?
Wait I'm confused about the three speed thing he said now.. I guess I just ordered one on AliExpress 🤔 interesting
Whats that?
@@EmxBrandon what were you saying about three speed? Like some controller are different some it doesn't work right? I didn't see this before and I ordered one random off AliExpress so just curious. Sorry voice text messed up first one up I didn't see 😆
@Razorcrew_Cole haha all good bro! Yeah the controller i got was siayq72180 which was a fardriver with firmware siaecosys used, as long as you got a "nd" or "ns" series your good! The one i had just have a goofy throttle ramp in mode 1 and 2 but hopefully those controllers have all disappeared 😆 it was ordered in a motor kit btw and i dont think they sold them stand alone.
@@EmxBrandon okay right on dude thank you for the response as always!!
I think votol is much better than that or djb
For a first time user the fatdriver blows votol out the water for usability. Votol has great throttle control but a fardriver will deliver all the amps!
@@EmxBrandon okay but votol is better on battery consumption. . I mean amps is adjustable also on votol
Subbed. Appreciate the help & knowledge. Got link from Moose Ridez/turbo Moose. SOLID Dude.🙏💯🍻
No problem! Appreciate the sub! Moose is definitely up to some cool stuff!
Will this work on an EC4P V3 motor?
This will work for any brushless motor. You'll just have to tune it correctly for the motor, otherwise it could hurt it.