The phone company tier list - 2021!
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- Опубликовано: 22 дек 2021
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2021 was a busy year for phone companies, so I thought I'd make a tier list to rank them to show how well each one did.
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No laptop business review?
they only accept credit cards... wich i dont have..
@@kaptainfry They accept all bank cards like master card or visa, not just specific credit cards. It's just a weird US way of calling any bank card a credit card
A moment of silence for LG and HTC. It's always a shame when a company exits the market. But I can't say I never saw that coming. Given their recent endeavour, they were doomed to fail.
Lg were doing good with the g8 and velvet before they left,Blame poor marketing
@@gkravi2841 yes I meant their marketing. Silly me, I wasn't clear enough. But yeah, I had high expectations for their Velvet series. And the LG Wing, while it attempts to solve a problem that doesn't exist, was a very very cool concept that portrayed a very bold company, which normally attract investors and such. Sadly, that didn't happen.
@@gkravi2841 HTC has a special place in my heart. I own an HTC One M9 -- it's now in my drawer collecting dust -- and despite its fundamental flaws, I loved this phone to bits. HTC Sense UI still is my favourite all-time Android skin. The front speakers on this phone are irreplaceable to this very day. It's too sad they are no longer really there...
Currently I'm using LG G7 and I bought it because I had G4 before and I loved it and at the time LG was promising that they'll be focusing on the software and it was bad indeed. Well it's now clear what was the outcome of this but prior the announcement that they'll be stepping away from this market the software support still sucked just like before. I had to, almost, put an Android 9 "illegally", using their crappy tool due to some regional bs that was preventing a normal upgrade of the OS. Later I heard that there'll be Android 10 for the G7 series but I didn't bother to go through the same crap in order to update my OS which should be happening just with a few taps... So I guess the thing that contributed the most for the LG demise from the mobile segment was their poor software support.
F*ck LG
My phone just stuck in boot loop without any reason and now going for Xiaomi again as their are reliable brand for phones
Never been a big fan of Samsung, but I felt they deserved A tier.
I would've put Samsung into C tier because their outlook looks pretty bad for these reasons:
1. Apple is their biggest competitor and has been rampaging lately.
2. Samsung failed to capture Huawei's share after it busted. Samsung's share didn't even grow. In these circumstances you just must grow.
3. It seems like Samsung's lead in foldables is also temporary while it could have been their long term comeback.
4. No way they are in the same tier as BBK brands. BBK are growing and catching up with momentum while Samsung is unable to amp up the lead they have. And It's not like this is new for Samsung and are yet to react. They have been in this state for ~3 years and had time to push back with full force. That's exactly what they did and they fighting back okay I guess, but it's clear in the long term it is not enough.
What else is there for Samsung to do now? It seems like they've done everything, but the competition will inevitably overtake them...
@@utkarsharyan you reposted my comment. pretty weird. but i guess you liked it
@@utkarsharyan I felt they are doing really good in India with the budget M series and mid-tier A Series lately which was not the case few years back, rather they were screwing people with J series.
Regarding the slow growth, Samsung dint indulge into a price war, that's it. If they had, scenario would have been pretty different now. But nevertheless, they are on the right path, with great hardware, stable-feature rich software and timely updates. I won't mind shelling extra bucks for this brand now.
@@utkarsharyan they just have chip shortage bruhh.. if that not occur.. they will able catch up like launching s21 fe last month.. but they cant do that for now.. note that
No, S tier.. people just dont own samsung device.. they dont know how sync their device is
When i saw the S tier and his laptop
I just laughed
I agree with your list except for Samsung. When they first introduced foldable phones, I doubted they will succeed. But they managed to create a new foldable phone market and it's going great now. Of course, Chinese brands will try to follow Samsung, and actually, most foldable displays they use are from Samsung right? I think putting Samsung in the B tier just because competitors are trying to follow is not very fair.
It's a point that makes no sense to me actually, who has a system that won't get competitions? If you doing something innovative and changing the market, people should compete with you
I think Samsung should have made the A list…
@@ememobongnkana I think it should have been in the s ist for the s21ultra for literally having the most feature packed phone while he putting apple in s which has 6gb of ram on its lastest iphone and just recently added 120hz refresh rate and 5g and their batteries suc and those big hinges.
Samsung phones are bad af.
@@printhallo who cares how much ram a phone has if everything runs smoothly?
02:14 “Apple is a solid brand even if i choose not to use their products” *scrolls further on his Macbook*
gonna say that
I use arch btw
I think he meant just their mobile products since this is a mobile tier list .
I think Samsung can be in the A tier and it is right now the only brand that is available globally and give regular updates to even entry level phones and their ecosystem is also impressive.
Yeh, selling mediocre specs for higher price, clearly you haven't used any entry level of Samsung phones, those entry level Samsung phone updates only leads worse user experience. Some of their phone uses their own SoC I think it's rather rip off than deal.
Entry level Samsungs are much much worse than any Xiaomi phones. I had to learn that the hard way
@@lumpython5351 True, Samsung can't even come close to Xiaomi when it comes to budget or even mid-tier segments. Also their SoC's are utter garbage.
@@lumpython5351 If you are someone who wants decent performance you should never go for entry variant and I don’t use an entry level phone for myself but I had bought my Grandma an M02 . For her usage it seems to be good and gets regular updates so nothing to
I am not saying MI is inferior they are equally good I myself an user of Redmi K20 pro which is as good as new
@@lumpython5351 Even their flagships are losing/have lost some of their lustre.
Samsung with a Solid A... Critically acclaimed S series phones with a refreshed foldable line up, excellent mid range offerings almost hitting the sweetspot and a true shot in the arm for android wearables and tablets, in the form of massive success of the gw4 and their ever growing tablets
Critically acclaimed S Series and consumer rejected S Series as sales of the S line have been crashing and burning year after year with each major feature they removed.
@@___David__ i still don't believe it deserves the b tier though
@@___David__ The foldables are their future (TechAltar covered this) they are outselling the S-line up already (and it is intentional)
Exynos 👀
@@raccoonious4038 lol
I feel so sad for Huawei, the had a pretty good phone business. I’ve switched to Apple since but every time I look at my old mate 20 pro I just can’t stop thinking what they could have brought to us.
Same here Huawei pushed Android forward and forced Samsung and BBK to innovate. Now it seems Samsung is back to making its OneUi back to touch wiz with all the bloat ware and boring hardware.
It's also just been a huge boon to Samsung and Apple who now dominate market share all over the western market to the point where it's basically a duopoly. It's also been hugely beneficial to Xiaomi but unfortunately for the western market we don't even have xiaomis phones to apply competition to Samsung or Apple.
Just get a Mate 40 pro and stare at it lol. Try G-Space keep it as a second phone if u go tthe buget
No one goes from Android to Apple.. Just like no one choses prison over freedom.
@@msp5138 I switched to Apple (smartphone, watch, laptop) from Android. Never looked back. 😁
IMO Samsung is the definition of an A tier this year.
“Choosing to not use their product” uses macbook
It's a phone tier list. He was clearly referring to iPhone.
@@RazeenMujarrab i know its a joke..
@@NeoChromer ah sorry, that went over my head 😂
@@RazeenMujarrab all good mate!
Xiaomi definitely had a meteoric rise this year, really taking full advantage of Huawei's absence. Here's hoping the US won't find an excuse to put them on an entity list once they get too popular in the years to come.
Xiaomi doesn't sell in the US market, and only like 5 phones you can actually import work with the carrier bands here
They are not an entity company.
The US government did, but Xiaomi filed a case in the US. The US government and Xiaomi reached a settlement and Xiaomi was still allowed to partner with Google and other US companies.
@@ventilate4267 so does Huawei
That's what the US does to break monopolies
I'm disappointed that there's no special "F-" tier just for Nokia/HMD Global.
After what they've done with Nokia 9 Pureview, I don't think they deserve to be on the same tier as TCL and Microsoft.
Touchscreen of my Nokia 5.3 began to exhibit "ghost taps" one week after the end of warranty period. Also, it's not very responsive, and Android 11 update was delayed by like 8-9 months. I probably won't by Nokia smartphone any time soon
Nokia 9 PV? Pretty much all of their phones had crappy updates with bugs that never got fixed
crazy that since their birth they never managed to get a hit on their hand. Everything is either mediocre or just shit. I honestly have no idea how they are still going
@@floppa9415 They had a few hits but never/couldn't do follow ups
@@floppa9415 😂 your age is showing, Nokia was the apple of its time.
How is Samsung not in at least the A tier? This is a bit biased. Samsung has a solid business , innovative and still maintains the largest market share in the Android platform.
You talk of competition? Of course other OEMs won't just sit there idle.
They're Globally accepted, their A series line is doing amazing especially in emerging markets.
And their S21 Ultra was widely rated as one of the best smartphones of the year (even beating the iPhone 13 in some cases). I'm not even a Samsung fan but they definitely deserve to be an A tier.
A serie is overpriced
@@HouseMusicAllNightLong I just ordered a s21 u Qualcomm. Samsung even if they don’t have the phone everyone wants they are widely available and have many options.
Of course it's biased. It's his subjective opinion lol
@@HouseMusicAllNightLong I think it was more than just the phone though. It might be able to trade some blows with the iPhone, but as an entire ecosystem it’s nowhere near for now. Hope to see some big strides being made over the next few years though
I think samsung deserves S tier based on their innovation on the foldable and improvements on s21
I don’t think they deserve to be in the same tier as Apple though. Apple literally owns the whole stack: from the silicon to the OS and services. Samsung only owns the hardware, innovative as it may be.
mad Samsung user
Samsung's "innovation" are more marketable rather than practical........
@@damnfreakingsien Foldability encourages portability which I think is fairly practical.........................................................
@@0xD1CE it's not very portable per say ..... yes it offers tablet experience in a smartphone form factor, but it's double the thickness, making it a not-so-good experience as a smartphone. It's really the same dilemma as hybrid laptops, but even worse.
and for the downsides, there are so many, that I wouldn't consider it practical. Walking into their store, their folding phones are fun to play with for 5 minutes, but looking at that glaring crease from a demo unit made me think twice about its longevity and seamlessness.
That is why I think Samsung isn't top tier. They make great products, but their vision of the future is gimmicky at best (remember the curved display?)
A C for Google after all the improvements, the impressive launch and hype, the redesign, building their own chip, all the exlusive smart features etc ? o.o I was expecting B but C seems harsh in my opinion.
I also expected B, but I have to say C is not unfair, especially this list is mostly about the brands’ business and not only the product.
From that aspect, Google basically precludes itself to get a good rating by only releasing the phone in a few countries.
IMO it would he great if they added more countries to buy it. I would love to give it a try, but that involves a long haul flight at the moment.
Imagine putting apple in S after selling the same phone for 3 years lmao. Ignore this fanboy.
plus they own android... just that would put them on an A tier
@@bigabzboss They don’t own Android, that’s the thing.
The Android open source project is by all means initiated and heavily influenced by Google, but Google by no means *owns* it.
Google Play Service is kinda lucrative, yes, but they cannot operate in China, and not technically necessary for a Android device’s success, well again, just see China.
Awesome to see Transsion mentioned by a westerner. I think they have solid phones, the hardware is not the best (they often use super old chips) but it's an okay experience and good cameras.
Not necessarily old, just.. kinda weak. But cool phones they do make.
When you work for Transsion
@@arseniymorozov7655 i dont...???
@@MrJacksonOldd i mean My self))
huh
How would you rate fairphone? They finally released a non-sucking phone albeit at a premium price for what it is. I dont know their sales numbers or future plans, but more sustainable phones are definitely interesting, especially if they finally use more recent/premium hardware
Probably a C! They are obviously a minor player for now, but I like what they did with their newest phone and I expect them to sell well compared to their past
I would have downgraded Apple to "A" Tier for their repair-resistant devices, not doing all they can to source raw materials sustainably, poor labor ethics in their supply chain, and attempts to control the consumer-side repair ecosystem.
@@handlemonium, He wasn’t looking these companies from the consumer perspective and if he was looking at all these companies from that perspective, Then almost all will get a C,D or an F.
@@handlemonium Yeah the fact he gave Apple an S and Samsung a B shows that he rated them by their success and how their business grow, not by how Pro consumer their products are. Apple being anti-repair never hurt their business much.
Repairability is a thing that tech people talk a lot about, but the average user will still buy it nonetheless. Even if they’ll be angry at the cost of repairs, the average user isn’t aware of the Fairphone and similar initiatives, so they believe that it’s not better on the other side. In fact, the high number of Apple Store where you can quickly get a warranty swap, battery swap or screen repair is for many a great advantage, even if it might cost a lot.
@@handlemonium Nobody cares about those in the real world
I'm a Sony fan at the moment, as they still think that flagships should have headphone jacks. From the specialist app perspective though, I think their Cinema Pro app is too restrictive, and they might be better adding video features to their Photo Pro app. After all, people with Sony Alpha cameras will be shooting video with the same camera interface which the Photo Pro app simulates.
It's such a shame that LG didn't work out, but then again, they were doing to whole dual screen thing, like Microsoft, which could mean that next year, Microsoft is also not on the list at all because their phone business has ended.
recently ordered a new phone. I didn't even want a flagship I just wanted any phone around the $300 - $500 quality with a headphone jack.
The Xperia 10 iii was practically the only choice for me in Canada. All other phones were either not available in Canada or just didn't have a headphone jack.
Also bonus it has more ram & storage than any phone Ive used before (128GB), and I just came from a Pixel 3 that cost me over $1000 2 years ago. And it has an SD card for all my music.
Sony also packed a lot of features into the phone for the price (I think mine was around $550 CAD + tax)
I know I could've gotten a Pixel A series phone but... I wanted waterproofing, plus I just dont want to support Pixel after using the 3. Google is restrictive and controlling.
I'm also a sony fan
Is there any phone other than Sony with great headphone jack and very good dac? LG had a very good quad dac sadly the company is dead.
@@beegest_yoshi LG was always ahead of the rest, they did a lot of the firsts on phones. The problem became their software updates or lack thereof, mostly I think, especially the bricking on the G4, poor support of the G3, I had colleagues who suffered through on both models, that left a sour taste on people and a big warning to would be buyers. The other thing with phones that are different (this applies irrespective of OEM) is that as exciting as they are for people who wants to see something different, no one buys them when they become available due to fears of poor software support (always) for their unique form factor. We use to have a lot of form factors, remember the camera-centric Samsung Galaxy S line, their rugged S versions with tactile buttons, there were always lower purchase numbers and therefore no software updates to speak of, sadly.
Very happy with my Xperia 1 III coming from my Note 9. Sony seem to be the only ones left that know how to make a proper flagship anymore. Honestly expected to see Sony get put in F despite them growing and being profitable while also making spectacular devices.
I don't think it's fair for Microsoft to be in the same tier as Nokia.
Wdym?
I think Nokia should be higher than Microsoft even though Microsoft is a bigger company even thou they're good at consoles and computers I don't think they should be in for phones
Actually the ROG Phones usually sold out for the highest and mid tier ones. Its the lowest ones that are usually in stock.
Their marketing does lack outside launch and post-release cycles i do agree with that. But perhaps its not as popular in the west as it does not have that big of a mobile gaming market as in Asia.
Im even using the ROG Phone 5s Pro right now lol.
Yeah that's the thing right. People who are looking at the business side of things just care about growth and profits and see ROG, Sony, and maybe even Huawei as bad businesses, but it doesn't mean that the phones don't have their audience or value to the parent company. Even Xiaomi's whole A-class strategy is about having a bad phone business, and individual iPhones don't need to make that much profit when the ecosystem is the real killer. This list doesn't say anything about what phones are good for any given person.
personally I own a Zenfone 7 Pro, it is such a well-rounded device, the flip camera is actually a lot more durable than one would think... The only issue with it is in fact camera though, quality is still really good but there are better options in the same price range. Other than that though, Zenfones are such well rounded phones... although I do agree availability is a bit all over the place, I originally wanted the 6 but it was so hard to get my hands on, that improved with the 7 tho
I can never find the ROG 5 pro. You can find the base model anytime you want, but the pro version is very hard to find and very expensive when it pops up.
@@xamava how are the updates? I've been told it's not Asus strong point. I can live with that if the hardware is good enough though. Been using LG phones for years with their intermittent updates.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 yeah they have updates, usually monthly, sometimes every 2mo... I personally never really find updates too useful but I still update my phone, but yeah it has updates
I bought an expensive ROG phone earlier in the year. The screen started failing after 6 months and ASUS refused to replace it, either under warranty or as a normal repair. Shocking customer service!
Ah. I was thinking of buying the small form factor Zenfone. Apparently, I won't be.
One thing about Apple that nobody mentions is how they now REALLY leverage their dominance in the US market. Most Software comes from the US and thus targets Apple hardware first and foremost, most Celebrities use iPhones just because its the most popular premium phone in the US and of course to some extent they don't have to fear the U.S. Government snapping them out of existence like all the Chinese brands.
Its crazy to me that they still managed to dodge all the lawsuits this year. Really only overconfidence and building a too obvious monopoly can put a dent in their bottom line.
The us government owns it, we saw how Huawei was shut down...apple works for US government, they don't want competition
@@The-Heart-Will-Testify lol.. he should know that apple is more evil than china brand
@@androidonly4388 what happened to Huawei is a big lesson taught by US to the entire world once more like "Who's the boss here? 😎"
@@The-Heart-Will-Testify FACTS...
@@The-Heart-Will-Testify Isn’t apple always creating problems for the FBI making iPhones annoying to get into for them? Like when they asked apple to open one for them and they straight up said no
i read on hacker news that corning gorilla glass gets 50% more resistant to cracking every year but manufacturers just offset those gains by reducing the thickness because theyre so obsessed with thinness and making me pay out the arze for repairs. any phone that breaks this stupid trend will be instant S tier for me, even if it comes with a fricken notch (i havent bought a new phone in over 6 years because of notches), no expandable microSD storage, no headphone jack, and has to be an inch thick.
Pixel 6s are very interesting and great phones, though it's sad that they're still only available in so few places. Here they could be serious contenders since they have the brand Google behind it. I know I can just import them, but my country has a rather ridiculous import tax that even the Pixel 6 (not Pro) could end up somewhere around USD 980-1000, which is just insane.
Great video. But I think Samsung deserve an A. When u see their outlook, a B is justifiable, but when u look at the products that they launch this year, I think it's an A without a doubt.
if you're only talking phones, anything other than the flagship galaxy phones are irrelevant
@@Tsangass but Apple for example, only launches flagships and get a S. And the A and M series this year where very successful
@@victordanieloliveiradesouz4964 even though they were successful they are still the most awful deal u can get in that price
@@maneesh2316 well, depends on where u live. In India probably it's bad. But I'm from Brazil, and here they sell like water. They generally have a great price to performance ratio.
@@victordanieloliveiradesouz4964 that's because this is rated on phone business. Samsungs A and M series can range from okay to godawful compared to other competitors.
If you only consider flagships pretty much all brands other than samsung and huawei is having growth in sales. Thats not a good sign for samsung. They somehow let Motorola revive from the dead and take over the market share of LG in the US. If A and M series were competitive they wouldn't lose out to what moto is doing
Ah, now this is some genuinely insightful analysis that could only come from someone with the experience and background in the tech industry. Quite on point too if I may say so. Glad to see you sharing your knowledge in this field Marton.
EDIT: Thanks for covering Transsion, they're in an underreported market.
Realme fucked up mostly because in India 5g isn't going to be a reality in at least 2 years for most people, and most of their portfolio was based around that . While Xiaomi opted for 4g modems and that allowed them to make the overall hardware more value for money like giving a high refresh rate OLED for like 225$ i believe. So realme didn't sell as well. Plus they release too many phones , even more than Xiaomi. Many phones competing with their own phones
But Realme laptops are really rocking the show
I didn't get realme strategy in India, to release a phone with
Dimensity 1200, 778G and 870 nearly all with marginally similar prices
Whereas Xiaomi focused on a good display and high megapixel camera.
lmao, 5g in india is not going to be reality in india in the next 10 years let alone 2 years.
what we indians will get is Actual highspeed 4g(indian 4g is years behind us,china etc) and Tier 1 5g around 2027-28.
why??
India has no use for real 5g and actual high speed 4g is too expensive average indian.
Source- I am an electronics and communications engineer.
@@manojpatra2840 And besides, because 5G, especially mmwave, has high frequency, its wavelength is low, which means that unless you're sitting right under the tower, you won't get 5G on your phone.
Realme is acting strange probably because BBK is experimenting with the brand. They've done this before with vivo and recently with oneplus where they shifted the focus drastically of what the brand was all about in favor of a potentially more lucrative market or creating another segment of the audience.
"Even if I myself am not choosing to use their products" - Tech Alter in front of his Apple Macbook.
Lol did he seriously put Samsung in B? 😂
Yeah, he uses samsung fold though
@TechAltar Pretty much agree with everything you said, though I thought B may be a bit harsh on Samsung. Their S21 series, especially the S21 Ultra, has been an undoubted success. Their Fold 3 and their Flip 3 have been a major breakthrough in the market (even though I would still argue that the Oppo Find N is overall functionally better than the Flip 3). And so far their Exynos 2100 holds up pretty well against the S888. Even better, their next Exynos chip will feature an AMD GPU so things look quite promising. Even their software update policy has improved significantly and you can't turn a blind eye to that. It's more of a B+ or A- to me. B just seems a bit too harsh. Other than that, I agree with everything you said. Well said!
True true..
S21 Ultra won many category in MKBHD
But I guess TechAltar include their slowing business side (in relation to chip shortage) and not great result of their efforts pushing Exynos chips and for me personally, the decision of cancelling Note series is pretty sad (I hope they can continue next period).
@@armanke13 Well, speaking of the Exynos, it has been reported that next year's Exynos SoC will feature a freakin' AMD GPU, which should be miles better than the Mali GPU they stuck with. That's a good thing, no?
@@armanke13 S22 Ultra is going to be a Note Phone 😀
I don't understand why he out Google so low either. The pixel 6 was a massive success and they have shown that they are able to compete with Apple and Samsung.
@@270Winchester not really the Pixel 6 is a mess and full of Bugs.
I don't think Oppo and OnePlus should be rated as one, even if they're the same company now, each brand had a very different year. Oppo was on the rise, especially outside China, and OP was disappointing I would say. Maybe it's the same cause, Oppo rising because OP is not delivering, but nonetheless, both had different years.
I agree. Looking at them as seperate companies i feel makes a lot more sence as i would say Oppo has had a great year while basically killing off Oneplus
What are OnePlus sales numbers though? I know OP has fallen from what they used to be for the hardcore fans, but hardcore fans hardly make a business, the margins are so low on phones than the BOMs usualy suggest, this makes it very important for companies to move millions of phones. I'm asking because OP managed to get itself sold in stores by cellphone carriers, that is one of the reasons for super high sales of Samsung and Apple phones, it makes it that much easier for people to buy a phone even if the loud techie voices don't approve.
The thing I don't get about lists like these is why do I really care how profitable accompany is globally if I really like their phone.
To me the phone's popularity or profitability is it not necessarily a sign of its quality it's usually just a sign of the company's marketing and name recognition. Apple uses its considerable leverage to improve its market position because they have the leverage. That's not really that impressive though it's just the benefits of being big. It's like giving credit to the house for winning blackjack.
Doesn't BKK own Oppo, OnePlus, Vivo and RealMe lol.
Thanks for the comparison. In addition, a lot of people would be interested in your take on the user experience of different brands, instead of business competence (market share, advertizing, availability etc), say parameters like:
1. Amount of Crapware/bloatware
2. UI/UX quality
3. Privacy/surveillance
4. Updates
5. Bootloader unlockability (dev support)
etc (perhaps later comments about pricing)
For example, if you talk about Samsung it'd be nice to mention One UI Core, which has a horrific amount of nagware.
The idea is, once you buy the device knowing it's specs, already having experienced their marketing, how's it like to use the phone, as a means to incentivize fewer anti-consumer practices of which many have become the norm by most OEMs.
a B for Samsung is really laughable , Samsung should definitely be an A
He's not looking at just product itself, he's looking at the business and future outlook. Samsung is not enjoying that high margins and is facing ever increasing competition from cheaper Chinese brands. Samsung doesn't really belong to A considering all those factors, despite their products are good.
This is a refreshingly different 'Best of 2021' video. Great content and educative. Can you do a similar one for laptops?
It's amazing how Chinese phone brands became a major player
Apple deserves that 'S' tier and this is coming from someone who has used Android all my life.
yh das cap bruh
True as an android user also. The only S tier phone not because of the phone itself but because of the brand
...and you have also never seen/agreed to a draconian Apple SDK contract with minimal flexibility and a 30% revenue cut..
Never closed Nebula so fast!
Haha
"I'm not going to use their products" **sits in front of macbook** (:
Samsung definitely belongs in either the S or A tier.
I would've put Samsung into C tier because their outlook looks pretty bad for these reasons:
1. Apple is their biggest competitor and has been rampaging lately.
2. Samsung failed to capture Huawei's share after it busted. Samsung's share didn't even grow. In these circumstances you just must grow.
3. It seems like Samsung's lead in foldables is also temporary while it could have been their long term comeback.
4. No way they are in the same tier as BBK brands. BBK are growing and catching up with momentum while Samsung is unable to amp up the lead they have. And It's not like this is new for Samsung and are yet to react. They have been in this state for ~3 years and had time to push back with full force. That's exactly what they did and they fighting back okay I guess, but it's clear in the long term it is not enough.
What else is there for Samsung to do now? It seems like they've done everything, but the competition will inevitably overtake them...
I will be a Motorola fanboy for life simply because the flashlight gesture is the absolute best. Two shakes, works for seeing in the dark and for keeping the pee from running down me leg
I see you're a man of culture as well! (Shakes Moto G100 in respect)
I miss this exact feature in my moto g5. Unfortunately it is long dead
Moto is the most underrated brand right now, they are launching dope phones with good price in Indian market
I think Samsung should be in S tier or at least A, there are so many reasons behind this.
Another great video. You're doing a great job Mr. Tech Altar
for once a professional and mature tier list, very generous on the rankings, props!
HMD global destroyed nokia brand name again, they launched good phones in 2017,18 and 19. But in last 2 years they have totally destroyed everything.
What on earth happened to the Taiwan giant HTC? Ten years ago they were the third biggest smartphone company in the world behind Apple and Samsung. They were also the biggest in the US by market share.
who doesn't love tier lists? I certainly love them! 😍
"Even if I myself am not choosing to use their products" - said with a macbook in the front :-D
Asus phones are cool but overall I've not had great experiences with after sales service unfortunately
Asus service is shit, scammy actually. My Zenfone one day refused to turn on, Before they diagnosed and try to fix the issue they insisted I need to replace my screen first, because the screen had a scratch in a corner visible only if you really try to find something. Also third party shop repairs can't buy parts for their phones. If a generic part does not work, you are screwed.
@@Zimmsters oof unfortunate.. The first time was when I had to RMA my zenfone 6 which was randomly crashing. Took a long ass time and a couple of visits to fix. Recently when the battery started to die, I tried calling the official service centers in my city and couldn't reach anyone.. Ended up having to buy a new phone :P
@@Zimmsters Just got a Zenfone 8 for Xmas, hoping I don't get any issue with it. Feature wise, the product is exactly what I wanted, but I wasn't awre of any diffuculties with the brand 🙁
I'm cheering for Xiaomi, the brand is not well known in my country but they already have a dedicated fanbase of over 300k people. I hope they improve their software though because the issues are very off putting for someone who's not tech savvy.
Which country??
@@phone_geeks_hubThailand
@@sumittiwari1711 oh who is number 1 there samsung??
Samsung in B tear? You can call yourself really lucky to have the dislike button disabled
I've really enjoyed your deep analysis of technologies in relation to changing needs and fears of our society on Technorama, please bring more, I'll check out the new episode soon
I'm glad you liked it! :)
Samsung should be in A-tier; They make the best and most versatile Android devices out here.
Exactly
Final list: 16:42 ;)
Also, I've owned a Xiaomi Mix 2s and Mi 11. And while their hardware is high-end, the software quality/updates are severely lacking. And that makes sense because they cut the price, they therefore cut corners. The fact that they just release a couple of models literally every week, makes it a very "spray and pray" company. Sure they sell a lot, but their support is actually not there. Which doesn't mean a lot as a customer if they make huge sales from releasing so many models.
All I can say is that I will not be buying a 3rd high-end Xiaomi phone because of this. Will probably wait until Apple releases a USB-C phone.
In my view Xiaomi is B tier at best...
Xiaomi's 30-60 day wait time to unlock your bootloader is excruciating and necessary given their Android fork is bloatware, adware, and spyware beyond the average Google Services and Android bloatware, adware, spyware. Firmware updates are as easy to get either.
@@gotoastal Xiaomi actually has less spyware than many other Chinese phones such as all BBK and infinix and stuff... And about the bootloader unlock... It's so irritating but in the end they still let you... Most of the brands don't let you change roms at all... And I can't be happy with my phone if I don't really own it
@@anthonystark6215 I'll take your word on it. I bought a Xiaomi Redmi K20 Pro a while back and I've been unhappy with how cobbled together support has been. No shade against XDA, but it's hard when only a small few are supporting unofficial ROMs instead of official support. Next phone.... I dunno. Will the Linux phones finally have anything remotely competitive on specs?
@@gotoastal well I just unlocked the bootloader of a Raphelin just a few days back and isn't wasn't a breeze really mostly because I am on Linux and the unlocker support for Linux stopped so I had to virtualize windows with passthroughs to be able to do that but on windows its mostly breeze for me after 60 days I have unlocked tens of Xiaomis by now.... Once tried Samsung and what a freaking junk... J7 prime was the phone... I had to install a weird software which had stopped support long ago even for windows the phone was bricked and this is coming from a guy who is quite experienced in this sector...
As for the Linux phones... They are not really viable especially from a value point... But if you keep the value aside... And you're technically competent and not into games... And not into online banking and not into any kind of smartphone stuff apart from camera and call... The call part is still debatable... And you wouldn't want to click a pic of a human subject from that camera... Maybe docs at most... The camera hardware isn't bad but no AI image computation... Which brings me to the next part that Android and iOS are tailored for hand and they do a lot of sneaky intelligent stuff to make themselves smart and the Linux Phones don't do that...
You understand what I am getting at right... These are not Linux phones... Just Arm desktops in small form factor... If you want a hand held desktop to compile chrome then it's the coolest fucking thing... But not much as a SMARTphone
Also you asked me about Linux? Were you expecting me to know it...?
@@anthonystark6215 Nah, rhetorical question. I would love to see them but when I thought about needing to make my own wrappers to fix my online banking since the apps don't work, I felt pretty SoL.
We want this every year
This is different and nice. Great video🔥
I love Motorola phones. Their mid tier phones are affordable, and their OS is not as bloated as other companies. The only downside for me is the fingerpeint reader, I found it a bit unconfortable at the back (and in my case literally fell apart after two years of use).
My Motorola edge plus 2022 has a fingerprint reader on the power button. It also has a 144 Hz refresh rate.
Even though I'm a fan of the Duo's hardware, there's really nothing I can say against your arguments. And you didn't even mention that the software Microsoft puts on the Duo is dogshit compared to most Android phones. So unfortunately I have to agree MS is failing once again when it comes to mobile.
Awesome video brother loved it as always 👍
enjoyed tecnorama a lot
As someone who spends £200-£300 on phones, Motorola is S tier list for me.
no POCO ???? DAMN, F3 is one of the best phones of 2021, and I think others phones are selling very good...
Um poco is a part of xiaomi
he did cover xiaomi didn't he?
@@phone_geeks_hub no!!! Poco is now independent...like honor, and he mentioned honor and Huawei
and Vivo, realme, OnePlus, oppo is basically one big company, so...
@@JesusHorvat um bro i work in their community as a ui team guy so i know more properly
Happy holidays, Marton 🤗
I liked before I watched, because I knew it will be great :D
I don't get why Apple's business, other products and services were consider to put them in S tier but then only Google's phone business seemed to be considered. Would have thought their services were a huge success for them and also their ChromeOS has grown a lot recently.
because iPhone serve as the first Apple product for most before they start buying another apple .. meanwhile most if not all people already using Google without knowing pixel phone
Motorola should be one tier higher. I myself got the Moto G100 for ~400 USD. Superb value and top specs for half the price of competitors with similar specs, only thing its lacks is peak-brightness on the screen..
Great video, informative & educational..please make this a yearly series..
Also try other lists like clothes brands & stuff
How can samsung get B tier?! This tier list is just this guy's opinion. Lets not get too offended.
I think Samsung should be an A tier
Awesome Tear, Awesome Camera, Long Lasting Battery Fire (pun intended)
@@namelesske 🤣
You win the comment section, Krisztian :D
Do not ever buy from Google Store - I bought AND paid for a Pixel 6 ($650) it got lost during shipment by the delivery company. Two months later and I get automated emails every 3 days "We are still investigating. Will let you know of any updates." I will never ever ever buy from Google Store again!
Since you mentioned niche phone makers I wish you also mentioned Redmagic and Lenovo. They seem to have strong phones that keep going under the radar. It would have been interesting to see how you would have rated them compared to ASUS and Sony.
"Forgettable" is the perfect description for this new era of Nokia phones. I feel like they offer nothing new or unique, for more money. Time for HMD to exit the market.
Heyyy samsung is definitely S tier , they have foldables , ultra premiums , Flagship killers , mid range , cheaapp as fuckk ones .
I would've put Samsung into C tier because their outlook looks pretty bad for these reasons:
1. Apple is their biggest competitor and has been rampaging lately.
2. Samsung failed to capture Huawei's share after it busted. Samsung's share didn't even grow. In these circumstances you just must grow.
3. It seems like Samsung's lead in foldables is also temporary while it could have been their long term comeback.
4. No way they are in the same tier as BBK brands. BBK are growing and catching up with momentum while Samsung is unable to amp up the lead they have. And It's not like this is new for Samsung and are yet to react. They have been in this state for ~3 years and had time to push back with full force. That's exactly what they did and they fighting back okay I guess, but it's clear in the long term it is not enough.
What else is there for Samsung to do now? It seems like they've done everything, but the competition will inevitably overtake them...
Great. Thanks for this order... Appreciated
Awesome video ❤️✨
What a nonsensical ranking.. Apple in S and Samsung in B.. you telling me Samsung is not even competing with Apple?Samsung has solid flagships that compete with anything from Apple and mid-tier offerings that are doing well. You can't in the same breathe praise Apple in that they may produce a foldable phone while ignoring the fact that Samsung already has these and is doing well in that category! I call BS
I'd probably put Samsung in the A tier, their Galaxy A range generally seems pretty decent, even if it's not price competitive with the Chinese brands (less of an issue in a market like here in Australia where most buy on contracts). Four years of software support for a midrange phone would have been unheard of a few years ago.
I think the only reason he gave them a B is because of how much market share they lost in recent years.
Would you make another tier video about the phone maker relation to its customer before 2022? I think it's a good follow up for this kind of business growth tier video.
I understand you focused on the top-selling companies, but I would have liked you to include some companies with different business approaches like Shiftphone and Fairphone.
Might not have been an Apples to Apple comparison
Fairphone is still a very niche brand with virtually no impact in overall mobile industry. According to their website they sold nearly 95000 devices this year and are planning to double that this year.
Companies like apple and Samsung sells more devices per day.
For example, apple sells nearly 200 million iPhones every year, i.e , nearly 600k per day.
Why is Samsung tier B when they’re the ones that are killing it in the foldable space making it accessible to everyone. I think they’re leading the innovation especially in foldable’s and their S21 ultra is a top-tier phone for sure.
Software needs refinement in all budget models in Samsung
Xiaomi really deserves A Tier
Been slowly getting more up to date with the smartphone market recently as I'm bound for an update not too soon, and this video confirmed what I'd aldeady suspected: the Android smartphone market is boring right now if you're not looking for a foldable phone. I remember when I bought a OnePlus 2 that I had a hard time deciding between all the exciting stuff, now I'm somewhat reluctantly trying to find out what phone does what slightly better than the other.
Pretty much complaining about a good thing here (almost all phones are good enough at everything; we don't have to choose between a good camera or good performance etc.) but still 😅
I would've liked to see what you thought of Alcatel since their phones are sold in literally every carrier store that exists in any country.
Samsung and Apple control the whole US market. Xiaomi had their best year and they are still behind Samsung even globally. Apple had their most incremental year-on-year upgrade cycle and you put them on S tier.
This could have been just a "which smartphone companies I like the most" but I guess tier list sounds better
He’s analyzing Apple and Samsungs ENTIRE business. Xiaomi makes great products but their business side (in terms of scale) does not come close to the big two.
Everything agreed except samsung
Chipping in praise for covering Transsion. You should have mentioned Transsion cameras are specifically tuned to accommodate a wider range of facial color and features!
Loved vid❤️❤️❤️
Fantastic video Marton! I think you nailed the grades on these. And there’s no doubt that Apple is still the only S tier phone in the world, but let’s see what Xiaomi can do this year to really shake things up. Happy Holidays bro!
I do think the anti-consumer practices do bring them down to A, at least in my opinion. The walled garden is a great approach to selling more products, but I wouldn't necessarily commend them for it
Apples lack of free and open software is disgusting and immoral. They will continue to sell users data and only provide evil proprietary services!
@@John-ru4gz “Immoral” lol. Grow up. It’s business. It’s not like they’re forcing you to buy the products anyway
@@John-ru4gz The most counterintuitive thing with iPhones is that you can choose to use all the other alternatives you want, but they give you the proprietary services as an extra.
@@MrJairforce companies are inherently immoral yes but with how complacent Apple is with the CCP and how much the CCP loves Apple they're definitely on the worse side
Samsung I think should be A , Samsung have seen what others are doing and so trying to keep pricing competitive,also there update strategy is one of the best for Android but also they don't need to keep selling phones because there hardware and componant business is also very strong , manufacturing chips for Qualcomm,isocell Camera units and Samsung Display Amoled unit's doing very well ,and this is just a couple of from Samsungs overall business,where it needs to improve is in other markets like TVs but even that's in a strong position
Hey Great Vid! just wanted to let u know theres a high pitch static noise in the background
Before this video, I didn't even know Asus made phones.
I've been using the Moto G6 plus for almost three years now and it was the first smart phone that didn't totally annoy me.
I’m so happy to see you are ranking all the main brands as I would. Maybe I’d leave the S tier empty, moving Apple to a great A tier.
Anyway, great job.
Oh, also, as an old enthusiast, I’m sad to see OnePlus just disappearing in Oppo. But that’s just the way it is.
But I have a little dream. It’s called Nothing.
Same (About Apple)
Hopefully Nothing will live up to your dreams :D
Thanks for your sharing
Did BBK; OPPO, realme, vivo software finally catch up enough to be premium? Cause when I tried it last year it was years behind what I would call flagship.
MKBHD didn't even talk about OnePlus once in the smartphone awards.
Rightfully so. OnePlus sucks right now. Hate them. Saving money to ditch it and go for a pixel.
Agreed. I have the 7T Pro and am now thinking of switching to another brand. The main thing putting me off the Pixel is that you can only get 256gb of storage on the Pro version and only in the boring black colour that all the reviews I watched said to avoid. Since I already have 256gb on my current phone I'd like to at least have the same on my new one.
@@HouseMusicAllNightLong Why not go for a Samsung?
@@K.R.X I might see what the S22 Ultra is like when it comes out. I don't like the fact that their phones come with so much bloatware and duplicate apps (Samsung Browser, Samsung Pay etc.) so that puts me off.
Who knows maybe the OnePlus 10 will be a decent phone and might actually be an option.
@@HouseMusicAllNightLong You can disable most of the bloat and hide the ones that you can't. Samsung phones are heavenly for customization. Don't get hopes up for OneOlus anymore. It's either Pixel or Galaxy from now.
@@HouseMusicAllNightLong Also. You talked about storage. I think Pixel buyuers get free cloud storage. So starage shouldn't really be a problem.
Huawei is gonna end up like Htc
They can be next Nokia or next apple.
What a C tier video.
If you account other products made by apple the you also have to account for googles software... Easily a tier
Just because there's tough competition in android doesn't mean they're loosing Samsung deserves A tier atleast in my opinion i mean if the foldable market grows wheather it's because Chinese companies or Apple at the end it's business for Samsung after all they're the one who's going to supply almost all those displays and other components