How DNA technology led to murder charges - nearly 40 years later - The Fifth Estate

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  • Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2022
  • For decades, Toronto police tried to figure out who raped and killed two women mere months apart in 1983. To the family of one of them, he seemed like a ghost who had disappeared, leaving no clues. But he did leave DNA, finally leading to an arrest nearly 40 years later. The Fifth Estate takes you inside the remarkable search for a suspect.
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    DECEMBER 1, 2022
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  • @happyinparis
    @happyinparis Год назад +805

    My Mom was murdered. It's a cold case. My heart goes out to the two brothers. There's no such thing as closure but justice is important.

    • @crcastillo615
      @crcastillo615 Год назад +56

      I am so sorry. I know you will get to experience the same justice too soon.

    • @caseyruggles
      @caseyruggles Год назад +41

      I'm very sorry that happened and I pray to the good Lord you will receive the Justice you're seeking there is hope now because of the advancements in DNA technology I also pray that you can have peace in your heart just know you're not alone there are many people that care and hope the best for you

    • @Walczyk
      @Walczyk Год назад +8

      i bet it was a former lover

    • @donnamorgan2522
      @donnamorgan2522 Год назад +16

      I’m really sorry-that’s gotta be hard.
      Attending the dbl funeral for a murdered couple was awful but the media pack outside makes it a stranger situation

    • @dawnemerson3604
      @dawnemerson3604 Год назад +9

      So sorry Karen

  • @voyaristika5673
    @voyaristika5673 Год назад +759

    How many horrid criminals got nervous and sweaty when DNA technology started solving decades old crimes. No one was even dreaming of this in the 80s. Sci-fi, futuristic. What a wonderful thing.

    • @dinarusso3320
      @dinarusso3320 Год назад +2

      Or the 70s, I've seen a few murders from the 60s and 70s solved from 🧬 dna in the late 90s

    • @patriciajrs46
      @patriciajrs46 Год назад +44

      Exactly!! I am glad that DNA catches them.

    • @ss-wu1vp
      @ss-wu1vp Год назад +35

      Image what new technology will be able solve in 100 years.

    • @seahog1911
      @seahog1911 Год назад +33

      It’s one of only a few technologies I’m grateful for.

    • @busking6292
      @busking6292 Год назад +16

      I think the first person was Colin Pitchfork in 1986

  • @PatriciaPageMosaicArtsCrafts
    @PatriciaPageMosaicArtsCrafts Год назад +555

    I am so happy for the brothers, imagine 39 years of looking at everyone suspiciously.

    • @thebeasters
      @thebeasters Год назад +3

      It wasn't pigs, it was science

    • @SjofnBM1989
      @SjofnBM1989 Год назад +20

      @@thebeasters I think you responded to the wrong comment

    • @voyaristika5673
      @voyaristika5673 Год назад +11

      I know! How crimes affect victim's loved ones forever isn't often the focus. I guess you end up in a very different life than you were living before.

    • @TeeKoon
      @TeeKoon Год назад +15

      @@voyaristika5673 it's like loosing part of your soul,

    • @patriciajrs46
      @patriciajrs46 Год назад +5

      @@TeeKoon No, it's losing. Not loose.

  • @NOTHINGATALLYET
    @NOTHINGATALLYET 9 месяцев назад +104

    How do you NOT call police or go check it out after hearing a woman scream 4 times!? Shame on them......

  • @flyoverurbangarden4315
    @flyoverurbangarden4315 8 месяцев назад +33

    That photo of the killer when he is young is so disturbing. He looks as light hearted and innocent as the victim's photos. As if he's just a happy person with no darkness instead of a cold blooded killer. What a waste of their lives.

  • @christelpicciano
    @christelpicciano Год назад +29

    A neighbor heard 4 screams at 1:30 am and didn’t call the police?

  • @deborahwilliamson5655
    @deborahwilliamson5655 Год назад +143

    I love what her brother said, "It's an answer, but not closure." That's absolutely true!!!

  • @annazaman9657
    @annazaman9657 Год назад +527

    How does a person so heartless not have a criminal record. These two were his only victims? That's the most frightening thing of all, the most ordinary people are capable of the most heinous of crimes

    • @gabrielleandrew542
      @gabrielleandrew542 Год назад +57

      That is the thing that is so disturbing to me

    • @akosua8779
      @akosua8779 Год назад +63

      @@gabrielleandrew542 extremely disturbing like is he connected to other crimes petty or henious or was this his two thrill kills and decided just gonna move on with his life....just mind boggling for someone to do that and just live life for 4 decades

    • @elainemarten2147
      @elainemarten2147 Год назад +109

      it only means he wasn't caught, it doesn't mean anything else

    • @tbprofile1295
      @tbprofile1295 Год назад +23

      He's not exactly ordinary.

    • @okachobired5856
      @okachobired5856 Год назад +109

      It's possible he has committed other crimes where DNA wasn't found

  • @robbpowell194
    @robbpowell194 Год назад +427

    This is the quality of CBC content I grew up with. This is The Fifth Estate ACTUALLY being the fifth estate. You continue to be a beacon of light in a rapidly dimming quality of actual news from our national broadcaster. And.. kudos to the TPD for bringing closure to the families...

    • @ShaunsCollectibles
      @ShaunsCollectibles Год назад +29

      Agree 100%.
      The Fifth Estate is one of the few shows on our state broadcaster that isn’t an absolute embarrassment.

    • @robbpowell194
      @robbpowell194 Год назад +11

      @@ShaunsCollectibles I actually took pride in our programming in a home boy sort of way. My disillusionment was slow and painful and it is now complete. 🍁

    • @ShaunsCollectibles
      @ShaunsCollectibles Год назад +2

      @@robbpowell194 The National is completely unwatchable. It’s become the propaganda arm of the Liberal Party of Canada.
      I get you, it wasn’t always like this, but I don’t see how the CBC can be reformed.

    • @robbpowell194
      @robbpowell194 Год назад +4

      @@ShaunsCollectibles ✔

    • @plum_loco
      @plum_loco Год назад +14

      I love the Fifth Estate. We used to have some good investigative programs like Dateline in the USA, but most have gone completely downhill in objectivity and now too sensationalistic and just dreadful to watch altogether.

  • @selecttravelvacations7472
    @selecttravelvacations7472 Год назад +321

    I love hearing about crimes solved w Genetic Genealogy! If I were a young person, I’d want to go into this field for sure! Let ALL crimes be solved!

    • @SamStone1964
      @SamStone1964 Год назад +21

      We can contribute by uploading our DNA onto sites such as Gedmatch.

    • @olgagr7136
      @olgagr7136 Год назад +15

      This is a Time of Cold Case Revolution. Thanks to the Science and Thanks to Internet.

    • @nillyk5671
      @nillyk5671 11 месяцев назад +7

      Anyone can get into genetic genealogy ;)
      You can do it as a hobby.

    • @user-gm9cn4gw6b
      @user-gm9cn4gw6b 9 месяцев назад +8

      Me too if I were younger I would love to investigate the cold cases

    • @kaythegardener
      @kaythegardener 8 месяцев назад +8

      One of the original genetic forensic genealogists started her career in this field after she retired from a career as a patent attorney & is still going strong a decade later -- Barbara Rae-Ventner!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Rae-Venter

  • @patriciamartinez6949
    @patriciamartinez6949 Год назад +121

    I lost a child to a drunk driver so I know pain but I can not imagine the pain of knowing that a family member has been taken in this horrific fashion and not knowing who the killer is. We all need a brother like this!!!

    • @miaknig3130
      @miaknig3130 6 месяцев назад +4

      IDK how parents survive the loss of a child, I'm not sure I could. I've seen quite a few young people/ child cases lately eg Gannon Stauch & Moscow idaho, and I'm baffled by

    • @shreyamishra916
      @shreyamishra916 5 месяцев назад +4

      I'm so sorry. Hugs.

    • @madelyncorey3490
      @madelyncorey3490 5 месяцев назад +2

      Sending you love.

    • @leleenpretorius7932
      @leleenpretorius7932 5 месяцев назад +1

      I can't image how you managed your pain

    • @jenniferg6818
      @jenniferg6818 3 месяца назад

      I'm so sorry for your loss. What a tragedy.

  • @ShaunsCollectibles
    @ShaunsCollectibles Год назад +165

    The Fifth Estate is one of the few shows on CBC worth watching!

    • @arcanondrum6543
      @arcanondrum6543 Год назад

      Beware. "Dateline" and others like it in the USA started out well but have devolved into only "crime already solved, narrated slowly to stretch it to a full hour (with many commercials)". It's bad but successful such that "60 Minutes" (a program that remains good in Australia) has followed "Dateline" down the sewer and completely ignored corporate crime to again; discuss cases where someone is already in prison. The point is; It distracts the public.

    • @annsumner8570
      @annsumner8570 27 дней назад +1

      Just on you tube.

  • @wade0921
    @wade0921 Год назад +225

    I don't know if I could be a homicide detective but those of you who choose this profession, my respect and reverence to you. Thank you for bringing criminals to justice and closure to loved ones.

  • @pamlaw5959
    @pamlaw5959 Год назад +60

    It is so heart-wrenching what happened to these women 40 years ago. That the police never gave up is wonderful and the brothers never gave up seeking the answer. It took 40 years but the killer was found. God Bless these families

  • @littlemikeism
    @littlemikeism 10 месяцев назад +68

    I'm so happy for you guys. I have a protective older sister. She has been a pillar in my 64 years on this earth. She looms large in my life even today. Hearing you talk about Erin, my Debbie comes to mind. I know Erin would be so proud of you three. Your family is beautiful. Handsome men.

  • @sanaullah6182
    @sanaullah6182 Год назад +174

    Lot of applaud and huge appreciations for Toronto police and fifth estate. So happy that finally the murderer is arrested.

    • @laikanbarth
      @laikanbarth Год назад +3

      The Toronto police did not solve the case. A lab in Texas did and then taught them about genetic DNA.

    • @sanaullah6182
      @sanaullah6182 Год назад +5

      @@laikanbarth thanks for update. But it is always a collective effort by different departments.

  • @maejohannsebastian7142
    @maejohannsebastian7142 Год назад +509

    My greatest respect for the police officers who never gave up. Salute from Germany, Sirs!

    • @thebeasters
      @thebeasters Год назад +6

      It wasn't pigs, it was science

    • @shendaraalshedir1933
      @shendaraalshedir1933 Год назад +11

      Merry 🎄 Christmas to you in Germany!🐾🌈☮️🇨🇦

    • @shendaraalshedir1933
      @shendaraalshedir1933 Год назад +46

      @@thebeasters You could be a little less rude and alot more accurate. Absolutely science won the day, but DNA doesn't walk out of the lab by itself, it needs humans to do the foot work & investigating.🇨🇦

    • @cutesmileb00tay
      @cutesmileb00tay Год назад +5

      Absolutely, what would society do without them.?!
      .. oh wait I know... we'd be in trouble or even worse

    • @cutesmileb00tay
      @cutesmileb00tay Год назад +15

      Canada here !!! 😘🤗
      A Merry Christmas N a very Happy New Year 2023 to each and everyone of YOU

  • @greyjay9202
    @greyjay9202 4 месяца назад +10

    High marks to Erin's family, and to the detectives of the Toronto police service, for never giving up.

  • @ferdiecassel3697
    @ferdiecassel3697 Год назад +59

    So this guy has roamed free for almost 40 years and he gets a media ban on information that could lead to other crimes he's committed? He will never have to feel the pain and horror he perpetrated on his victims. His rights as a cold blooded murderer should never, ever be allowed to interfere IN ANY WAY with this or any investigation he may be involved in. The families have suffered enough.

    • @angelkotilainen
      @angelkotilainen 6 месяцев назад +15

      Agree. Update, he has pleaded guilty on the 5th October 2023 and his sentence for the two murders is expected on December 14 2023.

    • @shreyamishra916
      @shreyamishra916 5 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@angelkotilainenwoah. Hope he gets to spend the rest of his life behind bars

    • @judydunlop1964
      @judydunlop1964 5 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you​@@angelkotilainen

    • @patmccoy8758
      @patmccoy8758 4 месяца назад +5

      @@angelkotilainen Any further updates since December 14, 2023?

    • @Ketowski
      @Ketowski 2 месяца назад

      It’s probably to protect otter members of his family after all this time. The lack of a media ban led to Bernardo victims going through unnecessary suffering.
      A media ban doesn’t mean there aren’t investigations. The name is known so anyone who has had information was able to come forward.

  • @SundudeCAN
    @SundudeCAN Год назад +243

    I'm very glad to see these families receive some measure of justice after all the years. As someone who had three family members murdered 44 years ago, with no arrests in all that time, I completely understand their pain and suffering.

    • @robbpowell194
      @robbpowell194 Год назад +24

      I have no words...

    • @calebmcintosh1991
      @calebmcintosh1991 Год назад +40

      I know it’s still unlikely, but with the advances in forensics recently, I truly hope that someday you get answers if nothing else.

    • @randibgood
      @randibgood Год назад +34

      Sorry for your family's loss. That must still be devastating, even after so much time. Maybe these advancements can give you and your loved ones some justice soon.☮️

    • @bettyboop-xg6jo
      @bettyboop-xg6jo Год назад +14

      How awful for you.

    • @llamamama2910
      @llamamama2910 Год назад +16

      I’m so sorry

  • @happytrails699
    @happytrails699 Год назад +107

    so sad some of these murderers were able to live many years of their life free

  • @gritskennedy5007
    @gritskennedy5007 Год назад +43

    SO WHEN YOU HEAR A WOMAN SCREAMING YOU CALL POLICE ISNT THAT A MENTALLY SOLID PERSONS NORMAL REACTION? WHY NOT CALL POLICE?

  • @dellahicks7231
    @dellahicks7231 Год назад +139

    Not only is it amazing that genealogy is assisting in solving so many cold cases, but to give credit where it is due, to those investigators that so many years ago, had the foresight to gather evidence in the hope that one day the technology would catch up.
    Unfortunately that is not the situation with all cold cases, however I am pleasantly surprised how often it does.
    I am so pleased for the families, and hopefully now the souls of the deceased can be at full rest. 🕊

    • @Pippi-Longstocking
      @Pippi-Longstocking Год назад +22

      Kudos to families who share their DNA so that crimes can be solved.

    • @dellahicks7231
      @dellahicks7231 Год назад +11

      @@Pippi-Longstocking Absolutely, without them the other side of the equation would be left vacant, nothing to match to the DNA.

    • @sandrabentley8111
      @sandrabentley8111 Год назад +8

      There has to be DNA evidence. As long as that is present and confirmed as being from a perpetrator, then all cold cases could potentially be solved.

    • @dinkster1729
      @dinkster1729 Год назад +4

      @@sandrabentley8111 There have to be family members trying to find all their relatives, too, or there would be not DNA matches on what? GEDmatch?

  • @therealdeal3672
    @therealdeal3672 Год назад +63

    The pain of the loss of their sister from the three siblings is deeply palpable. A heartbreaking loss. Glad the perpetrator was finally brought to Justice.

  • @MIMAFAITHFRIDA1
    @MIMAFAITHFRIDA1 Год назад +235

    I live in Puerto Rico. I love this show. Hope that one day, this technology be used for cold cases here. I admire the absolute dedication of all cold cases detectives. These two families needed justice. At last, after so many years of waiting, it has arrived. May both both families find peace in their hearts. May both victims finally rest in peace.

    • @polaroidwhite9037
      @polaroidwhite9037 Год назад

      Tons of rogue dna floating around out there in puerto rico

    • @SweetChicagoGator
      @SweetChicagoGator Год назад +3

      Is the DNA technology not used in Puerto Rico yet?
      I am bewildered by that?

    • @MIMAFAITHFRIDA1
      @MIMAFAITHFRIDA1 Год назад +4

      @@SweetChicagoGator Yes, the "normal" type of DNA testing and profiling is done here but the other much more advanced DNA technology test as portrayed in this case/video has yet to be used here as of December, 2022.

    • @airsickspace9272
      @airsickspace9272 Год назад

      There’s some cases where I live such as a John Doe who was super young beaten to death floating in a river

    • @marilynwillett804
      @marilynwillett804 Год назад +4

      Rest in peace if as Jesus told Nicodemus '' You must be born again to enter heaven''. Turn to Him.

  • @kylieknight2365
    @kylieknight2365 8 месяцев назад +7

    At least this guy wasn’t dead and will pay for his crimes

  • @johnnyk.2911
    @johnnyk.2911 Год назад +35

    I'm just surprised that the Fifth Estate, given that it is a CBC production, hasn't disabled the comment section. Perhaps it is because this is a feel good story. Regardless, much respect to the detectives involved in solving this cold case, and I hope the family can finally begin the healing process. 🙏

  • @nameetanarayan1336
    @nameetanarayan1336 Год назад +24

    So good to see that the brother never gave up. People would have let go of this situation but glad it worked in their favor

  • @carolereynolds580
    @carolereynolds580 Год назад +67

    The brothers’ countenances before the murderer was found and after is so beautiful and so healing. ❤

  • @RawOlympia
    @RawOlympia Год назад +418

    The pain is unbearable, what a great loss, what a loving family. DNA cannot bring people back, but it can at least put some perpetrators behind bars.

    • @nlx78
      @nlx78 Год назад +12

      I should stop smoking, spitting and the like, I don't want my DNA to be at a place where maybe later a body is left. Other than that, yeah sure great for the family to know who did it and put these people behind bars.

    • @endless3cho
      @endless3cho Год назад +12

      @@nlx78 I wonder what the likelihood of that ever happening would be. I guess it depends on where and with who you surround yourself.

    • @TheGuinever
      @TheGuinever Год назад +1

      @@endless3cho are you blaming the victim?

    • @leanneclark4957
      @leanneclark4957 Год назад

      Ww

    • @leanneclark4957
      @leanneclark4957 Год назад

      Q 2s

  • @isabellelecot2780
    @isabellelecot2780 Год назад +79

    Proof that dedicated officiers make a difference. Technology is truly remarkable! Wishing to send the families healing prayers and comforting hugs.
    The Fifth Estate is the BEST!

  • @sv8700
    @sv8700 Год назад +54

    Kudos to TPS Officers who worked on the case. "The Professionals"!

  • @billcarter9824
    @billcarter9824 Год назад +14

    I have to wonder how many women and girls this monster has "disappeared without a trace" in his lifetime.

  • @zuzellogan5613
    @zuzellogan5613 Год назад +75

    Finally, Susan Tice and Erin Gilmore got justice as well as their families. The perpetrator was caught after 39 years which is a long time waiting for the families having a murderer roaming free. DNA and the Genealogy science are good tools now to apprehend criminals. And as time goes by, there will be more advanced science and technology to apprehend criminals quicker .

    • @selecttravelvacations7472
      @selecttravelvacations7472 Год назад

      The good thing too is we can use the same tech to catch more current criminals now. No more getting 39 years to wait around. Justice always waits when necessary, but now it can pounce!

  • @TheDot
    @TheDot Год назад +96

    Omg such a heartbreaking story. The brothers 💔 had me in tears, their love and dedication to their sister is incredible. Huge respect to them, the family, and investigators... Your courage and tenacity is admirable 🙏 deep respect. You did it, good overruled! 🌹

    • @Ketowski
      @Ketowski 2 месяца назад

      Some people will do anything for family, others treat family members like dirt.

  • @bec5250
    @bec5250 Год назад +11

    I wish I had a brother who cared half so much about me. Glad he finally had some small degree of justice.

  • @lindasue8719
    @lindasue8719 Год назад +48

    Goosebumps and tears. ❤️ Thank you to the multitude of people involved in bringing these cases to this point, and thank you CBC for this production. ❤️

  • @LaDeLaO
    @LaDeLaO Год назад +74

    Although I am in US, I so enjoy this program- y’all do a great job!

    • @Alexandra-zp3gr
      @Alexandra-zp3gr Год назад +17

      Thanks also to that Texas lab that reached out to Toronto detectives to crack this case.Great teamwork!

    • @NancyMcIntyre-iq6og
      @NancyMcIntyre-iq6og 3 месяца назад

      👍👍👍😁

    • @mangos2888
      @mangos2888 Месяц назад

      We don't have the journalistic laws that Canada has that helps them stick to facts

    • @enigmaticbeing7796
      @enigmaticbeing7796 26 дней назад +1

      Watch 48 hours

  • @Rtu776
    @Rtu776 Год назад +20

    "He was like a ghost with the gravity of the situation weighing on him."
    No. He's a sociopath with no conscience who posts on social media about how great his life is.

  • @maryt2196
    @maryt2196 Год назад +26

    "We are coming"...love.that line from the detective...it's a wonderful thought to know killers are out there worried about that knock on their door..makes me almost giddy thinking about it

  • @thebeautycafewithdrnyorita
    @thebeautycafewithdrnyorita Год назад +33

    Seeing the killer carry a wide smile after all that he did is so haunting my goodness 😢

  • @sherriepectol9324
    @sherriepectol9324 Год назад +21

    I can't imagine having to live with this tragedy. I'm happy for this family. But now trying to convict this person is still a long way off. I hope there is a total completion and conviction of this guy.

  • @nancyecuer402
    @nancyecuer402 Год назад +45

    It’s hard to believe that he murdered only 2 women.

  • @michelecorbeil5449
    @michelecorbeil5449 Год назад +29

    Sean and Kaelin, you are loyal and loving brothers, you have carried a heavy burden for 40+ years to ensure justice for your sister Erin, I wish you rest and peace.

  • @KerryEriksson
    @KerryEriksson Год назад +95

    Love how Genetic Geneology is working to solve old cases...

    • @Emiliapocalypse
      @Emiliapocalypse Год назад +8

      I just hope laws don’t get changed to prevent it. While I totally agree with privacy, apparently European privacy laws don’t allow genetic genealogy from being used to solve cases. I’d hate for that to be the case in North America

  • @SandraEKitchen
    @SandraEKitchen Год назад +50

    I’m expecting so many more cases to be closed through genetic genealogy! I’m so happy for these families finally finding peace!!

  • @judycooper9103
    @judycooper9103 Год назад +25

    Powerful and so encouraging for everyone who is waiting and needing closure on these senseless crimes that rob families of a normal life while waiting for justice to be done. Thank you for never giving up.

  • @ruthhaught4296
    @ruthhaught4296 Год назад +50

    I am so glad for your family to finally get the answers you've been yearning for. To many years go by with nothing.

    • @stfuplsok
      @stfuplsok Год назад

      Ruth Haught Too* many

    • @ruthhaught4296
      @ruthhaught4296 Год назад

      @youtuber as I recall *too means also. I'm picky too. Therefore I think I'm right.

    • @stfuplsok
      @stfuplsok Год назад

      @@ruthhaught4296 yeah but not "to* many" as you stated. So it's wrong.

    • @ruthhaught4296
      @ruthhaught4296 Год назад

      @@stfuplsok thanks that does sound familiar.

  • @krmccarrell
    @krmccarrell Год назад +23

    I gotta say, when I saw the evidence room at 4:20 and those orange, perfectly labeled rows of boxes, I just knew that a couple of ladies had done that. Awhh, the unsung heros of law enforcement . . . . .

    • @martinasikk6162
      @martinasikk6162 Год назад +1

      Yes. The unsung heroes of law enforcement…..greetings from Sweden

  • @LindaCasey
    @LindaCasey Год назад +38

    Tears .. tears of joy .. tears of sadness .. tears for for the victims and for all of those who have had to suffer this same horrible fate.😥

  • @brucechambers9680
    @brucechambers9680 Год назад +61

    I'm so happy this and the other family will finally have some closure. Now may justice prevail.Thank you to the wonderful lab techs and officers who never gave up.God bless you all.

  • @heatherthompson9117
    @heatherthompson9117 Год назад +26

    Genealogy is really cool and its solving a lot of crimes and unknown people. I'm happy this family finally got justice

  • @marycopeland4049
    @marycopeland4049 Год назад +25

    Thank you for acknowledging by name, in the ‘more’ information, the numerous individuals involved in the final resolution of this 40yr-old intricate puzzle. Only with their perseverance and never-say-never attitudes was this possible.

  • @Lkhrobertson
    @Lkhrobertson Год назад +4

    So refreshing and unusual to hear the comment that the family was too upset to be interviewed. Bless them.

  • @crystalcoonce7919
    @crystalcoonce7919 Год назад +25

    He is the best reporter!!!!’ I really feel he has he’s heart in every report he does
    Thank yoi

  • @dogphlap6749
    @dogphlap6749 9 месяцев назад +5

    If you were wondering what happened to Calvin Hoover, according to Google he took his own life at his home in Port Hope, Ont., in 2015.

  • @Shiloie
    @Shiloie Год назад +7

    Excellent documentary making. Such a poignant journey for these poor families. Thanks Fifth Estate-2nd to none in your genre.

  • @DavidVelasquez9
    @DavidVelasquez9 Год назад +337

    Divorce is never the way out, My wife and I have been having issues before I sort out help from a spiritual adviser,i wasnt going to let my marriage of 18years crash

    • @peterwilliams6361
      @peterwilliams6361 Год назад

      amazing,i am kinda in a similar situation,how did you handle it?

    • @DavidVelasquez9
      @DavidVelasquez9 Год назад

      @@peterwilliams6361 well not the orthodox way but i was referred by a friend to a spiritual adviser and healer

    • @peterwilliams6361
      @peterwilliams6361 Год назад

      @@DavidVelasquez9 please how can i get in touch with the spiritual adviser?

    • @DavidVelasquez9
      @DavidVelasquez9 Год назад

      @@peterwilliams6361 her name is SHELLY RENEE WHITE ,and she is a great spiritual adviser as well as caster

    • @DavidVelasquez9
      @DavidVelasquez9 Год назад

      you can look her name up online and you will find all you need.

  • @KindnessMatters-uy8mq
    @KindnessMatters-uy8mq Год назад +35

    Truth always comes to light. My heart goes out to the family that had to endure time of not knowing. I hope you find some peace now. So sorry for your loss. 🙏

    • @oldtimer7635
      @oldtimer7635 Год назад

      "Truth always comes to light" Unfortunately I dare to say it doesn´t. This case was exceptional. There are hundrets of thousands of people missing in US as we speak. Many will be found, in a way or another, but many won´t. Praise the science, do not try to prevent its development. It works, unlike some other "methods".

    • @notpurrfect6397
      @notpurrfect6397 Год назад +1

      Not always. How many unsolved murders were committed by strangers who kept their secrets to the grave?

    • @flyingrover9022
      @flyingrover9022 Год назад +1

      @@notpurrfect6397 thank you! Truth rarely come to light….good this family has some type of closure.

  • @soiledbear2051
    @soiledbear2051 Год назад +20

    Outstanding work by the Boys in Blue....and the brothers who never surrendered!

    • @soiledbear2051
      @soiledbear2051 Год назад

      @R Voit ....Who were also part of the police force....duh.....

  • @stargazeronesixseven
    @stargazeronesixseven Год назад +9

    🙏 Thank You So Much for the Toronto Investigating Officers & the DNA Teams in these cases for their dedication & sacrifices to finally solved the murders of Erin & Susan & gave the respective families their Justice & Closures ... 🙏 🌍🕊🇨🇦

  • @delishme2
    @delishme2 Год назад +58

    Othram , Nonolabs and Genetic phenotyping ( getting a physical image of their facial features from available DNA) have been essential in solving many, many cases now. Nanolabs even has some of the cases on their website. Well done to all those that helped to solve these cases.

  • @christiegroves
    @christiegroves Год назад +71

    Thank you for sharing this touching story and working hard to find the killer. I can't imagine living with that, his family must be in shock, I am certain the families who lost their loved ones have a piece of closure now, it does seem like he turned his life around but my God how could you live with yourself or look at your wife and children in the eye. I hope everyone can find Peace who lost a loved one and I hope there are no other victims, so sad.

    • @lorellgingrich6603
      @lorellgingrich6603 Год назад +6

      Yet another level of devastation - for his own family...

    • @rock-n-rollfoodie
      @rock-n-rollfoodie Год назад

      I know! Can you imagine to find out your dad murdered?

    • @krizkatz1574
      @krizkatz1574 Год назад

      I hope the monster's children tell him what a piece of human garbage he is for ruining all these lives. May his stay in prison be miserable.

  • @theresahenderson3534
    @theresahenderson3534 Год назад +5

    What, the neighbors heard multiple screams then someone passing by and didn't call the police. I don't get it.

  • @delib636
    @delib636 Год назад +13

    The brothers testimony made me cry 😢 😭Although he is an adult now, it's so sad to hear a child's point of view

  • @joel6221
    @joel6221 Год назад +8

    i hope every rapist who hasn't been caught YET are all losing a LOT of sleep.

  • @sallywillis610
    @sallywillis610 Год назад +14

    You two brothers are so inspiring and wonderful. You have made a huge and positive difference in my life. You will never know.

  • @phyllis9750
    @phyllis9750 9 месяцев назад +4

    AS USUAL, Hooray for SCIENCE!
    So sorry for your loss. Now justice can be done!

  • @janleslie7163
    @janleslie7163 Год назад +9

    The brother that never gave up he's the best brother a girl could ever have God bless him ❤️ 🙏

    • @Hillr2249
      @Hillr2249 2 месяца назад

      Two brothers

  • @DreamingCatStudio
    @DreamingCatStudio Год назад +3

    Kudos to the dedication and commitment of LE to close these cold cases.

  • @bozkurtburhan6
    @bozkurtburhan6 Год назад +19

    I am not related to this family but I felt their pain deeply.

  • @cgordon1386
    @cgordon1386 Год назад +15

    Heart breaking, love and light to the families.

  • @jomama5186
    @jomama5186 Год назад +5

    The coverage of your content is super important. Thank you for all you do to make this channel possible.🧡🙏

  • @charliekezza
    @charliekezza Год назад +8

    And this is the perfect example of why police should keep any and all evidence from unsolved murders or disappearances

    • @SamStone1964
      @SamStone1964 Год назад

      And have procedures in place so it doesn't inadvertently get "lost" as happens over and over again especially in Australia.

  • @sandram9330
    @sandram9330 Год назад +20

    Finally justice for Erin & her family. Thank you to both of the detectives in charge of this case. Erin an Angel, your heavenly soul can rest at peace. Sean, thank you for keeping Erin's name alive. I am so sorry for the loss of your sister. 💔

    • @PHlophe
      @PHlophe Год назад +3

      Saundra, and its sad the mommqa passed before this .

  • @hannannah1uk
    @hannannah1uk Год назад +15

    "Advances in science" by a genius British scientist. Well done Alec Jeffries. You changed crime investigation forever. 👏 #GeneticFingerprinting #DNAProfiling

  • @johnryan2193
    @johnryan2193 Год назад +10

    Rest in peace Erin , may your soul fly free of this world of evil .

  • @catherineannelockman3805
    @catherineannelockman3805 6 месяцев назад +3

    My friend was murdered in Hamilton in 1982...cold case...

  • @davidnorth3411
    @davidnorth3411 Год назад +15

    To hear the loving brother first hearing of the news ,The loss of her still unsettling, the culprit can’t turn the corner and walk away anymore , retraced to the evidence , Erin would say , sleep now little brother.

  • @ivetteromanroberto
    @ivetteromanroberto Год назад +3

    It seems that the murderer lived a steady and charitable lifestyle years after the killing. (33:06 ) How is this possible?

  • @teenagersareadults
    @teenagersareadults Год назад +11

    I commend the police for their tanacity and evidence management over so many years.

  • @ElsieDee001
    @ElsieDee001 Год назад +4

    This brings hope to so many long-grieving families. To have this closure is a definite relief.

  • @elizabethjarvie6077
    @elizabethjarvie6077 Год назад +20

    Wow. SO glad, SO thankful & joyous over this! This family, her family, needs some rest & peace. I really feel for them. Also I know how it is to have an event, a tragic event, shape the rest of your life. Peace and comfort to them 💕💕💕
    Many many thanks to the detectives you're true heros!
    Lastly, I hope he gets the death sentence. No more generations of criminals in society, get rid of them for good, get them out!

    • @stfuplsok
      @stfuplsok Год назад

      Elizabeth Jarvie *heroes

  • @jesjes5255
    @jesjes5255 Год назад +4

    the neighbour who heard the screams did nothing!
    Didn't even call out, call the police...absolutely diddly squat.

  • @JimmyWorld
    @JimmyWorld 7 месяцев назад +3

    In case anyone wants an update, the suspect recently plead guilty to the charges. He will be sentenced in December.

  • @gerryjamieson1861
    @gerryjamieson1861 Год назад +13

    This story was well done and my applause goes to the families who persevered. I happened to come across this video while working on my computer. I wanted to listen to a crime drama which helps keep me focused. After watching the beginning warning of content I randomly clicked on the timeline to get an idea of the content. To my surprise I clicked on the exact moment two guy are carrying out the body of Erin Gilmour. The guy with the large amount of red hair, is me. I was shocked. Back in the day I worked for a company that was contracted to remove human remains. Sadly I don't remember Erin's case but I am so very happy that the killer was caught. Well done detectives!!

  • @ellengarcia4041
    @ellengarcia4041 6 месяцев назад +3

    Anyone who thinks these crimes will forever remain a mystery certainly to be looking over their shoulder because your days are numbered! Be certain of that.

  • @trudiemooy9676
    @trudiemooy9676 Год назад +6

    What a devoted brother/s and Investigative team!

  • @elliesimpson1313
    @elliesimpson1313 Год назад +4

    What wonderful brothers Erin had. True love.

  • @84americanwoman
    @84americanwoman Год назад +15

    I love these cold cases being solved by forensic genealogy all over the world. Killers still alive, should be very nervous!

  • @Zknwlf
    @Zknwlf Год назад +2

    The quality of this recording is superb. Kudos to camera-work!

  • @oliviasantos5004
    @oliviasantos5004 11 месяцев назад +3

    The brothers 😍😍😍all of them are devoted to finding justice for their sisters..even after 39 yrs..that's extraordinary love...❤❤

  • @patriciajrs46
    @patriciajrs46 Год назад +15

    I'm so sorry for your loss. That close to the holidays is awfully terrible. A loss in our own family, just before Thanksgiving hurts us every year. Your case has a criminal. Ours was a surgery, failure in recovery. Not the same thing, I know. Very sorry for your loss.

  • @rubydawn1
    @rubydawn1 Год назад +17

    I got my DNA done for this reason I thought you just never know. I found out the man that I thought was my father was not my father There are no secrets with DNA.I do not want to dig deeper to who he is but my reason was when I read about all the cold case file being solved I thought you just never know.

    • @SamStone1964
      @SamStone1964 Год назад

      Aren't you too curious to not dig deeper?

    • @rubydawn1
      @rubydawn1 Год назад +3

      @@SamStone1964 not at all I actual was not sure I saw someone that was a half sibling that I did not know I spoke to them on ancestry was like why is this person a half sibling. got my sister to do her DNA and found out she was my half sister and a cousin was her cousin but had no connection to me. Ancestry is very cool I could go back 3 generations on my mothers side before I even did it gives you so much information.

    • @SamStone1964
      @SamStone1964 Год назад +3

      @@rubydawn1 I had my DNA tested many years ago and was hoping my father was not my father. But alas he was. You're correct about there being no secrets with DNA.

  • @Wherethewindblows524
    @Wherethewindblows524 Год назад +5

    It gets so tiring hearing how far our justice system goes to protect criminals. Im so glad DNA broke this open!

  • @vickiehadd4324
    @vickiehadd4324 Год назад +6

    UNIMAGINABLE PAIN THIS FAMILY HAS ENDURED BY THE HANDS OF A KILLER!! GOD BLESS THIS FAMILY.

  • @catherinecole3978
    @catherinecole3978 Год назад +23

    I hope that one day someone will write a book about this case that will be as compelling as the book about the Golden State Killer was- "I'll Be Gone in the Dark- The Hunt for the Golden State Killer" by Michelle McNamara (2018). The uses and abuses of public shared ancestry web sites is always open to discussion. But, equally as compelling, are the advances in the research of DNA technology. Los Angeles alone has 10,000! unsolved cold cases. We have 700 cases here in Ontario. Could Christine Jessop's killer have been found earlier? Would the killer of Erin Gilmour and Susan Tice in 1983 have been brought to justice earlier? I was planning to move to Toronto in 1984, and the rapes and murders of single women in some of my old stomping grounds in 1983 really gave me pause for thought! We are never going to be able to totally eliminate these types of crimes. But, DNA technology can give us the tools to better identify suspects. This reporting by The Fifth Estate was very well done.

  • @robertsine8812
    @robertsine8812 Год назад +8

    Incredible someone of this calibre can commit such acts and, go on living a perceivably happy life. Despicable. My thoughts and prayers.

    • @wcolautti
      @wcolautti Год назад

      Old this caliber? What does that mean?

  • @cathyd.7332
    @cathyd.7332 Год назад +14

    I would have loved to have been there for the arrest. Well done to the police. Good job

  • @AnneBoleyn-qg5pj
    @AnneBoleyn-qg5pj Год назад +13

    Excellent police work and excellent presentation thank you