Hey there, Virtual Chap! Thank you for the thorough review of the KAT Walk C 2 core! We appreciate your unbiased assessment and insights into its potential as an immersive VR locomotion device. Your feedback helps us improve and optimize our product further. We're thrilled that you found the build quality impressive, and we'll take your shoe feedback into consideration. As we continue to support and optimize gaming experiences, we hope more users can enjoy the benefits of our treadmill. Thank you again for sharing your thoughts! 💙
I've been using the Loco S system for a while, and I think it actually has some advantages over KAT's true treadmills. For one, you're not moving inside a disc, so more natural strides are possible. (Then again, I've never tried a VR disc, so I can only guess how it might compare to the Loco S.) For another, you can wear actual running shoes. I've got a VR mat, so it's easy enough to hold a position in the room, without needing to be harnessed into a device. It's also a lot easier to store a VR mat than a VR treadmill. That said, there are advantages to the treadmill, particularly the V2. Sitting and flying aren't really possible, with the Loco S, though I can pull an office chair up, when required. And of course, there's no haptic feedback, with the Loco S. Tracking is probably more accurate, because the sensors are under the feet, instead of strapped to my ankles. Is it 10 times better than my $120 Loco S? That's the big question. 🧐
Great video! It's the best testing video I've seen so far for the C2 Core. The C2+ completely cured my motion sickness as well. As someone who suffers from severe motion sickness, I want to cheer on every company that develops VR treadmills.
Thank you 😁 the motion sickness side is a very good bonus. I really genuinely want kat VR to do well because the better they do the better products we get down the line
Thank you, there are specific movements you can do for strafing like sliding your feet to the side. Walking backwards is nearly impossible so I just use the thumbstick. Still getting to grips though. Walking forwards feels very natural
Many/most games have decoupled head and body movement. What I do in my Katwalk C1 is run forward but turn my head to the side and shoot to the side and for all intents and purposes, THIS IS STRAFING. It serves the exact same function. The only difference is that just like in real life, a 180 degree change in direction is not instantaneous. So you cannot strafe left followed by immediately strafing right. Moving backward, yeah just use the thumb stick.
I think that obviously with time, it'll become easier to use. Same goes with anything, like if you switch from console to PC and you've never used a keyboard and mouse. I think within a few weeks of playing contractors with this thing, and utilizing their shooting range and bots mode, it'll become easier to use the "treadmill" in public matches and other games like Onward and Pavlov.
So I’ve been eyeing Katwalks products for a few years now and I’ve always wondered how games like saints and sinners or boneworks feel considering they have a set player walking speed. Does the Katwalk software remove the speed cap in games or are you stuck at a set speed no mater how fast you physically run?
you are still locked on the game rules, something that with katwalk can do is set a different speed for you steps but the top speed in game will be always be the top speed with katwalk... but you can do a lazy run in the treadmill and run at full speed in game
They really pushing this one hard 😎 hoping peeps bite . Not in my price range but would love check one out . Only issue is I play entirely too reckless to be that locked up . Have 11x11 playspace with 2 feet outside guardian for arm swing . Play in motion constantly . Wire a deal breaker , and custom to slim and light so I can really move . I would want actual treadmill with an upside down pyramid or cone with a stretchy material taught enough to never go loose even with treadmill moving in all directions . VR and fitness have symbiotic relationship imo . Eventually it gonna come down to “ you wanna play the hard core ??? , your body gonna have to be hard core “ Just a section , but it MY section that ain’t no one else gonna get to play if just cannot get off butt and actually play VR lol . I do NOT understand the reaction to VR that does not directly call for seated play to just play seated as a default option … Might as well strap a TV to your face , not move and use a gamepad lol Seriously though , not sure how long ya played but my play space is the most important space in my house . Threw away my couch and coffee table the second day after I got quest 1. I waited over 30 years I’m a special case I knew HOW I was gonna play without hitting things second day two . Have not punched or hit anything in 3 years lol . Motion sickness CAN be overcome . I used Sareneto that seemed to cause it the most and played till almost threw up , took off headset to rest , rinse repeat till gone . Took me about two weeks and yea threw up about 3 times cause didn’t get off in time lol . Imo anyone can do the same , just at own pace . Treadmills cool , I just want one that isn’t so restricted in my movement . Need one big enough that I can actually walk/run , pivot spin , crouch , and go prone ALL physically . When we get that in 20 years if im still kickin I be happy as hell 😎
Do you think you would prefer the current slidemills like the C2 Core? Or if you had the chance you would use one with proper movable parts? I am guessing these do have a couple of disadvantages which are not present on the slidemils due to how simple they are (sometimes simple is really the way to go in my opinion). For example the treads need a colossal engine to be able to suddenly referse the vector of movement by 180 degrees. Imagine you sprint at full speed and suddely you turn 180 to another direction in less than a second. How long will it take the engine to react? Can it catch up with you or will it catapult you out of the platform turning you into a blood stain on the wall xD? What if the software lags or your PC catches a blue screen due to the amount of adult videos from shady websites that you downloaded onto it and the treads go into a rouge machine mode moving in random direction? Another problem - how much energy that beast must consume to be able to revert the direction of movement in let's say 0.1 second? Would the engine that powerful not be louder than F-16? And heavy enough to make a colossal portal in your floor that would let you access the world below? (I mean your below neighbors flat_) I think it's not really just the matter of infinadeck not being ready for commercial sales. I think these are inherent problems that will always exist in these systems unless we find a way to greatly miniaturize the engines while increasing their power at the same time. But that's a whole other topic of how many decades does human technology need to reach such level. Not just one or 2 devices. There just isn't available tech that could do that
I'd love to try an infindeck type device. The freedom of actually moving round in your space does not compare. But like you mentioned slidmills are super simple whereas VR treadmills are in my option way to complicated to probably ever be a consumer product. I think there might be something in between in the future but I'm not sure what that looks like... All I can say though walking forward in half life Alex with the katwalk is the closest I've came to a 1 to 1 experience in terms of movement. It's the dexterity that's the main issue which treadmills at the moment at the only accessory based solution
VR treadmills are definitely the future for VR but not this specific one by Katwalk. They have the right idea but all they need is to keep the same outer design merged with the Infinadeck tracks as the base to walk on.
Just make sure you got space to play with katwalk vr. I been hitting my hands at the walls in pain in Grimlord when I only have a room the size of a wardrobe.
Dang, no LEDs. . . If you look at reviews of their other treadmills in the comments that is often asked 'can you turn off the LEDs?' I'm really tempted, waiting for the shipping price to be revealed, when I tried to order one a few years ago they wanted around $600 for delivery and I just canceled my order. Maybe with a pre-order they can get the price down, like send them all to the countries they go to in bulk and then ship from a hub in every major country? I am really tempted though. . .
@@VirtualChap2025 Yeah, I added it to my cart just to see and for me it is $100, which isn't bad. Wow, that sit module is $300? Am I seeing that correctly? I'll hold off until Sep. 14, see if anyone gets theirs and see a few more reviews. I think only 4 people on youtube got it early and that isn't really enough to go off of. EDIT: So, I think when I ordered they quoted me a low shipping cost but after I was charged THEN I got an email saying it would be more money to ship, and it was just over $600. I THINK this is what happened. So I wonder if this is what they have going this time. I know a VR treadmill is a niche product and if a normal exercise treadmill was niche shipping would be outrageous and I kinda understand there is no way around that. Maybe it is Amazon offering free shipping that has shipping costs so hard to swallow.
@@exodous02 yeah I think your right, only 4 tested it has far as I know. The reviews will start coming in soon especially at the lower price point. The shipping really is a pain for them though.
idk man, I couldn't really imagine this being any cheaper. I would hate to have to buy the shoes separately for some inflated price like $200, in the event of the treadmill being $6-700. Its not cheap but it seems like a fairish prices compared to a lot of vr gear and what it lets you do. Idk
Why does this HAVE to be about immersion or motion sickness? Everyone is listing getting tired as a downside. THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I BOUGHT IT!!! People often struggle with motivation, finding the time, weather, etc when it comes to exercising and here we have a perfect way to get a really good workout thats super freaking fun. Give me the AAA FPS games with half decent graphics (I have a top of the line headset and fairly decent PC) that are the MOST intense and tire me out THE MOST. For me currently, these are the Serious Sam VR games. I freaking love them!!!
Lol. Have you watched many gaming channels on RUclips or Twitch? Most gamers are not known for their chiseled physiques. They're not interested in working out or exercising while playing video games.
@@SoundsFromBeyondThere seem to be two markets for this and one is heavily represented and talked about and one is ignored. The gamer is heavily represented. But I see a market for people who aren't gamers at all, want to get in shape, don't know where to start and want any kind of increased activity to get in better habits. This was me. I look at the cost of a regular treadmill or stationary bike and compared it to the cost of a good VR setup and noticed very similar costs. I'm hearing a lot of people who mention they have a Katwalk say it's primarily for exercise.
@@LotsOfBologna2 Fair point. I can see that. I respect anyone that's interested in getting in shape. I don't even like to sit down when playing VR. It feels too "lazy" to me. However, motion sickness is a big deal for a large percentage of people. There are some that can't overcome it all. And that's a much larger percentage than people that care about using VR as a vehicle for fitness. These VR accessory companies (and reviewers) are going to advertise to the largest common denominator, which, at the moment, are not health-conscious users. Give it some time and we may see that mentality start to shift with accessories like this, and even VR in general.
They need to make omnidirectional shoes that are programmed to stay inside a square space, this will lower cost and feel more natural. infinadeck is still best so far
@@VirtualChap2025 Even half price if those average joes need to pay for shippping, i don't think they will consider it. And the shoes won't last as long as the body part of the slidemill.
Honestly i have really wanted a Katwalk but had far too many concerns about the product. Pretty much clears up all the questions i have from a consumer view, great video 👌🏼🫡
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Hey there, Virtual Chap!
Thank you for the thorough review of the KAT Walk C 2 core! We appreciate your unbiased assessment and insights into its potential as an immersive VR locomotion device. Your feedback helps us improve and optimize our product further. We're thrilled that you found the build quality impressive, and we'll take your shoe feedback into consideration. As we continue to support and optimize gaming experiences, we hope more users can enjoy the benefits of our treadmill. Thank you again for sharing your thoughts! 💙
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I've been using the Loco S system for a while, and I think it actually has some advantages over KAT's true treadmills. For one, you're not moving inside a disc, so more natural strides are possible. (Then again, I've never tried a VR disc, so I can only guess how it might compare to the Loco S.) For another, you can wear actual running shoes. I've got a VR mat, so it's easy enough to hold a position in the room, without needing to be harnessed into a device. It's also a lot easier to store a VR mat than a VR treadmill. That said, there are advantages to the treadmill, particularly the V2. Sitting and flying aren't really possible, with the Loco S, though I can pull an office chair up, when required. And of course, there's no haptic feedback, with the Loco S. Tracking is probably more accurate, because the sensors are under the feet, instead of strapped to my ankles. Is it 10 times better than my $120 Loco S? That's the big question. 🧐
Free video idea for you Virtual Chap "I walked across Skyrim in VR"
Would probably take me the day 🤣
@@VirtualChap2025lets find out
Thrillseeker did this
Great video! It's the best testing video I've seen so far for the C2 Core. The C2+ completely cured my motion sickness as well. As someone who suffers from severe motion sickness, I want to cheer on every company that develops VR treadmills.
Thank you 😁 the motion sickness side is a very good bonus. I really genuinely want kat VR to do well because the better they do the better products we get down the line
oh yeah... horror games are going to be sooo much better now, this is awesome!!
Nice vid as always man. How do you strafe? Also what's it like if you need to walk backwards?
Thank you, there are specific movements you can do for strafing like sliding your feet to the side. Walking backwards is nearly impossible so I just use the thumbstick. Still getting to grips though. Walking forwards feels very natural
Many/most games have decoupled head and body movement. What I do in my Katwalk C1 is run forward but turn my head to the side and shoot to the side and for all intents and purposes, THIS IS STRAFING. It serves the exact same function. The only difference is that just like in real life, a 180 degree change in direction is not instantaneous. So you cannot strafe left followed by immediately strafing right.
Moving backward, yeah just use the thumb stick.
I think that obviously with time, it'll become easier to use. Same goes with anything, like if you switch from console to PC and you've never used a keyboard and mouse. I think within a few weeks of playing contractors with this thing, and utilizing their shooting range and bots mode, it'll become easier to use the "treadmill" in public matches and other games like Onward and Pavlov.
This is true and also there is a load of settings you can mess around with to optimize your experience
I’m receiving my Katwalk c2+ tomorrow woot woot. Can’t wait.
So I’ve been eyeing Katwalks products for a few years now and I’ve always wondered how games like saints and sinners or boneworks feel considering they have a set player walking speed. Does the Katwalk software remove the speed cap in games or are you stuck at a set speed no mater how fast you physically run?
you are still locked on the game rules, something that with katwalk can do is set a different speed for you steps but the top speed in game will be always be the top speed with katwalk... but you can do a lazy run in the treadmill and run at full speed in game
Jokes on you I want to train for a 10k while tapping heads in vr
@9:21 what is this scene on the right ? half life Alyx ??!?!?!? what ? Mod or what is this ?
Looks like a good option to improve immersion!
Definitely worth trying 👍
I’m curious if I can use it with Unreal 5 projects that I code myself. I want to walk around my own landscapes etc.
I'm curious on the seated option as I have back problems. stuff like this is what I look forward to as its hard for me to enjoy walking around
They really pushing this one hard 😎 hoping peeps bite . Not in my price range but would love check one out .
Only issue is I play entirely too reckless to be that locked up . Have 11x11 playspace with 2 feet outside guardian for arm swing .
Play in motion constantly . Wire a deal breaker , and custom to slim and light so I can really move .
I would want actual treadmill with an upside down pyramid or cone with a stretchy material taught enough to never go loose even with treadmill moving in all directions .
VR and fitness have symbiotic relationship imo . Eventually it gonna come down to “ you wanna play the hard core ??? , your body gonna have to be hard core “
Just a section , but it MY section that ain’t no one else gonna get to play if just cannot get off butt and actually play VR lol .
I do NOT understand the reaction to VR that does not directly call for seated play to just play seated as a default option …
Might as well strap a TV to your face , not move and use a gamepad lol
Seriously though , not sure how long ya played but my play space is the most important space in my house . Threw away my couch and coffee table the second day after I got quest 1.
I waited over 30 years I’m a special case I knew HOW I was gonna play without hitting things second day two . Have not punched or hit anything in 3 years lol .
Motion sickness CAN be overcome . I used Sareneto that seemed to cause it the most and played till almost threw up , took off headset to rest , rinse repeat till gone . Took me about two weeks and yea threw up about 3 times cause didn’t get off in time lol .
Imo anyone can do the same , just at own pace .
Treadmills cool , I just want one that isn’t so restricted in my movement . Need one big enough that I can actually walk/run , pivot spin , crouch , and go prone ALL physically .
When we get that in 20 years if im still kickin I be happy as hell 😎
Great review from someone who obviously understands VR.
AR/MR in a park and you'll be fit within a couple of months. Especially for Martial games like SAO.
Will the cat walk work with the meta quest pro?
Yes but to use standalone you also need the katnexus
The motion sickness is my bane for VR. On Arizona Sunshine I get sick by the bridge, every time.
Maybe after I get a Quest 3 and a haptic vest i'll make this leap.
Do you think you would prefer the current slidemills like the C2 Core? Or if you had the chance you would use one with proper movable parts? I am guessing these do have a couple of disadvantages which are not present on the slidemils due to how simple they are (sometimes simple is really the way to go in my opinion).
For example the treads need a colossal engine to be able to suddenly referse the vector of movement by 180 degrees. Imagine you sprint at full speed and suddely you turn 180 to another direction in less than a second. How long will it take the engine to react? Can it catch up with you or will it catapult you out of the platform turning you into a blood stain on the wall xD? What if the software lags or your PC catches a blue screen due to the amount of adult videos from shady websites that you downloaded onto it and the treads go into a rouge machine mode moving in random direction?
Another problem - how much energy that beast must consume to be able to revert the direction of movement in let's say 0.1 second? Would the engine that powerful not be louder than F-16? And heavy enough to make a colossal portal in your floor that would let you access the world below? (I mean your below neighbors flat_)
I think it's not really just the matter of infinadeck not being ready for commercial sales. I think these are inherent problems that will always exist in these systems unless we find a way to greatly miniaturize the engines while increasing their power at the same time. But that's a whole other topic of how many decades does human technology need to reach such level. Not just one or 2 devices. There just isn't available tech that could do that
I'd love to try an infindeck type device. The freedom of actually moving round in your space does not compare. But like you mentioned slidmills are super simple whereas VR treadmills are in my option way to complicated to probably ever be a consumer product. I think there might be something in between in the future but I'm not sure what that looks like... All I can say though walking forward in half life Alex with the katwalk is the closest I've came to a 1 to 1 experience in terms of movement. It's the dexterity that's the main issue which treadmills at the moment at the only accessory based solution
VR treadmills are definitely the future for VR but not this specific one by Katwalk. They have the right idea but all they need is to keep the same outer design merged with the Infinadeck tracks as the base to walk on.
I’ve seen people try this in cave environments. I would be curious to see how this interfaces in something like a quest pro
Just make sure you got space to play with katwalk vr. I been hitting my hands at the walls in pain in Grimlord when I only have a room the size of a wardrobe.
Dang, no LEDs. . . If you look at reviews of their other treadmills in the comments that is often asked 'can you turn off the LEDs?' I'm really tempted, waiting for the shipping price to be revealed, when I tried to order one a few years ago they wanted around $600 for delivery and I just canceled my order. Maybe with a pre-order they can get the price down, like send them all to the countries they go to in bulk and then ship from a hub in every major country? I am really tempted though. . .
I'm not sure about the specific cost of delivery but what I do know is it's significantly cheaper than it has been with the previous generations
@@VirtualChap2025 Yeah, I added it to my cart just to see and for me it is $100, which isn't bad. Wow, that sit module is $300? Am I seeing that correctly? I'll hold off until Sep. 14, see if anyone gets theirs and see a few more reviews. I think only 4 people on youtube got it early and that isn't really enough to go off of.
EDIT: So, I think when I ordered they quoted me a low shipping cost but after I was charged THEN I got an email saying it would be more money to ship, and it was just over $600. I THINK this is what happened. So I wonder if this is what they have going this time. I know a VR treadmill is a niche product and if a normal exercise treadmill was niche shipping would be outrageous and I kinda understand there is no way around that. Maybe it is Amazon offering free shipping that has shipping costs so hard to swallow.
@@exodous02 yeah I think your right, only 4 tested it has far as I know. The reviews will start coming in soon especially at the lower price point. The shipping really is a pain for them though.
I mean I wouldn’t call 900$ affordable but still better than the competition
idk man, I couldn't really imagine this being any cheaper. I would hate to have to buy the shoes separately for some inflated price like $200, in the event of the treadmill being $6-700. Its not cheap but it seems like a fairish prices compared to a lot of vr gear and what it lets you do. Idk
Why does this HAVE to be about immersion or motion sickness? Everyone is listing getting tired as a downside. THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I BOUGHT IT!!! People often struggle with motivation, finding the time, weather, etc when it comes to exercising and here we have a perfect way to get a really good workout thats super freaking fun.
Give me the AAA FPS games with half decent graphics (I have a top of the line headset and fairly decent PC) that are the MOST intense and tire me out THE MOST. For me currently, these are the Serious Sam VR games. I freaking love them!!!
Lol. Have you watched many gaming channels on RUclips or Twitch? Most gamers are not known for their chiseled physiques. They're not interested in working out or exercising while playing video games.
@@SoundsFromBeyondThere seem to be two markets for this and one is heavily represented and talked about and one is ignored.
The gamer is heavily represented.
But I see a market for people who aren't gamers at all, want to get in shape, don't know where to start and want any kind of increased activity to get in better habits. This was me. I look at the cost of a regular treadmill or stationary bike and compared it to the cost of a good VR setup and noticed very similar costs.
I'm hearing a lot of people who mention they have a Katwalk say it's primarily for exercise.
@@LotsOfBologna2 Fair point. I can see that. I respect anyone that's interested in getting in shape. I don't even like to sit down when playing VR. It feels too "lazy" to me.
However, motion sickness is a big deal for a large percentage of people. There are some that can't overcome it all. And that's a much larger percentage than people that care about using VR as a vehicle for fitness. These VR accessory companies (and reviewers) are going to advertise to the largest common denominator, which, at the moment, are not health-conscious users. Give it some time and we may see that mentality start to shift with accessories like this, and even VR in general.
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They need to make omnidirectional shoes that are programmed to stay inside a square space, this will lower cost and feel more natural. infinadeck is still best so far
I'm guessing it's noisy though, and will disturb neighbours
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There's a better option. And that's jogging on the spot with full body trackers
I tried walking on the spot to try and overcome motion sickness. It felt odd and didn't work. I expect running on the spot would be the same.
Title says affordable that thing's been a thousand bucks for like 3 years still too much money...
It’s still at a price where only VR enthusiasts would buy it sadly.
Yeah half the price is more the high adoption range, but the second hand market should be strong, it's a solid long lasting product for sure
@@VirtualChap2025 Even half price if those average joes need to pay for shippping, i don't think they will consider it. And the shoes won't last as long as the body part of the slidemill.
don't buy it
Catwalk treadmill is trash
Gimick
These treadmills suck. We're nowhere close to ready player one
Honestly i have really wanted a Katwalk but had far too many concerns about the product. Pretty much clears up all the questions i have from a consumer view, great video 👌🏼🫡
Thank you 👍
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