After watching your videos I was really surprised on how much subscribers you have I assumed you'd have like 1 or 2K. Your videos are also almost as good as thrill seekers and you deserve more love❤
I really hope someone gets the shoes right. It would be the most practical option for most of us. I've long wanted something like this for stuff like cyberpunk or bethesdas open world games. But hearing the slide mils look better than they feel makes me glad I haven't bought one. Using something that makes you walk differently for hours on end could contribute to posture issues and might not end up being as effective at maintaining fitness as actually walking and thats the ideal goal imo - to allow us to play these fun open world games while still getting the benefits of actually moving.
This is amazing, i saw the infinidec, and I thought the same. I like that the walk or the running will likely be natural. I feel like it will feel normal to walk.
My feeling is that an Infinidec approach looks the most natural but the faster you run and the more suddenly you stop the larger deck you will need, otherwise you'll get thrown off when it stops suddenly. With a larger surface it will have more time to react smoothly to such situations.
I truly don't understand why the rotating arm connected at your lower back is not combined with an Infinidec. It seems like a no brainer combo with both the slide-mill and the omni-mill solving each other's problems.
It's not really a predictive issue, it's a physics one. Think about what would happen if you suddenly stopped on a regular treadmill. You'd go flying off the back right? Even the best commercial treadmills physically can't stop immediately and have a significant time to slow down even if you do an emergency stop. Even if they predicted you'd stop on a dime the deck physically can't stop it's backwards momentum that was previously counteracting you immediately. Unfortunately, I don't think this kind of solution will ever work for moving at anything above a fast walk due to the inherent momentum of the treadmill. @@VirtualChap2024
@@00WhiteBladeThe Infinadeck detects when your not in the middle anymore then it moves you back into the middle but the rotating arm would hold you in the in place so it wouldn’t move
Wow, I'd buy the last one in a heartbeat. Even if it cost thousands. As long as it supports any flagship headset and works in most games and applications. I'm in
big problems is still: outside the us, most treadmills are still import ware and shipping them, get expensive. and the second thing is the vr hardware itself. the market nowadays, is centered around 2 groups. enthusiast level set starting a 1600+ dollars and midrange standalone devices with pcvr as an afterthought and no way to get compression free feed. theres no index 2, no reverb g3.. no lower high end high midrange packs on current gen state. its eighter eol stuff like the g2, with known problems with tracking and downsides like smal fov or last gen hardware that isnt worth its asking price anymore, when 300 dollar cheaper newer version, do certain things so much better, for less money. vr is still niche, most succes is on the casual market and there you dont need many of the aspects, that i wanna see improved for good pricing.
The infinidec looks fine currently, just lower the price a bit cuz I'm assuming it's hella expensive rn. Big enough space to rn. I think realistically a VR or AR dedicated room fits best for full movement. Maybe strips of mini cameras like the LED lights ppl have in their rooms, but lined with small cameras for tracking. That way when I'm high I can go into vr, into an extremely trippy environment and get more fucked up.
I don't understand how the Infinidec does 360? Perhaps the next step is a treadmill on a rotating platform that turns when you turn. Needs to be light, quiet and cheap as well. No more than the headset anyway. Not sure about the complaints about people getting tired. There will be be lots of super fit gamers in the future that never went near a gym, or sports field. What's wrong with that?
No need for a rotating platform with the infinidec. Since you can walk in any direction on the Infinidec, you'll be effectively moving in the direction you want and the deck translates that to movement. On it's input it's just a treadmill that you can walk any direction in and it returns you in the middle, on the output it is effectively the thumbstick that is sending commands to move in the direction that you are moving (If you move diagonally, it sends commands to move you diagonally). Does it detect when you turn in reality or would you have to effectively only use the thumbstick to turn yourself, that I don't know but it looks cool nevertheless.
I wonder if cybershoes would work with dome kind of harness thing you could hang from the ceiling. As a DIYer i might pick these up and see what i can make Okay, the 2nd thing. Maybe ill watch the full video before commenting
Infinideck needs not to shrink it needs to expand, heavily. I want one thats about 10x10 meter big. Cus the problem it will have is sudden movement and frantic actions. Size solves that easily.
There is a new type of treadmills hopefully coming to private consumers in the next years. It's based on omnidirectional rollers, in theory this approach could be way smaller, quieter and also cheaper than the Infinadeck while still offering the same advantages. ruclips.net/video/l47usqNJyJo/видео.html ruclips.net/video/LmfzZoLwLys/видео.html
My only problem with these systems is that they can't simulate stairs, falls, inclines, rolls, jumps, flying. They are slide systems or they are 2d movement systems. The technology is still to primitive to see anything cool imo.
@@insansiregar6158 Yes but that type of technology is way further down the road, probably not something we'd see in our lifetime. Right now we could use a multiple axis SCARA (Selective Compliance Assembly Robot Arm) and a more robust platform to get a way better result than this slide stuff but it's just too expensive apparently.
I think it’s going to be a multi-solution situation. The Kat Walk C is IMNSHO is the probably the most versatile solution. The Infiniti Deck is probably the most accurate solution, but it’s not going to work in every home, as space and shape of rooms in different homes and apartments are hardly standardized. The free walking ODT shoes are a nice solution but falling over is a legit big danger. I could go on, but I think the point is made. I very much doubt that this is going to be a “one size fits all” scenario. I’m betting good money it’s going to have multiple solutions that aren’t even really apples to apples competitors. Instead it’s going to be apples to oranges for local motion solutions. At least that’s how I see it.
What about the arm that attaches to your wall and carries you? That's the most promising tech IMO. I can't remember its name Edit: It's called the Holotron
Nice find, I do remember this one back a few years ago but struggled to find it again, does look incredible. Looks like it needs to be powered by a nuclear reactor though 😂
Didn't realize he wasn't a huge RUclipsr dang great quality for someone at this size
Thank you comments like this are great motivation 😊
That's what she said :D
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After watching your videos I was really surprised on how much subscribers you have I assumed you'd have like 1 or 2K. Your videos are also almost as good as thrill seekers and you deserve more love❤
Wow thank you so much! I try to improve with every video comments like this are great motivation ❤️
I really hope someone gets the shoes right. It would be the most practical option for most of us. I've long wanted something like this for stuff like cyberpunk or bethesdas open world games. But hearing the slide mils look better than they feel makes me glad I haven't bought one. Using something that makes you walk differently for hours on end could contribute to posture issues and might not end up being as effective at maintaining fitness as actually walking and thats the ideal goal imo - to allow us to play these fun open world games while still getting the benefits of actually moving.
This is amazing, i saw the infinidec, and I thought the same. I like that the walk or the running will likely be natural. I feel like it will feel normal to walk.
Yeah that's what I really want out of a vr treadmill 1-1 immersion
The Olympic gold medalists in the 2030s are gonna get their training from a VR game, I swear.
My feeling is that an Infinidec approach looks the most natural but the faster you run and the more suddenly you stop the larger deck you will need, otherwise you'll get thrown off when it stops suddenly. With a larger surface it will have more time to react smoothly to such situations.
I think that's what's hindering progression it need incredibly accurate predictive elements to work effectively
I truly don't understand why the rotating arm connected at your lower back is not combined with an Infinidec. It seems like a no brainer combo with both the slide-mill and the omni-mill solving each other's problems.
It's not really a predictive issue, it's a physics one. Think about what would happen if you suddenly stopped on a regular treadmill. You'd go flying off the back right? Even the best commercial treadmills physically can't stop immediately and have a significant time to slow down even if you do an emergency stop. Even if they predicted you'd stop on a dime the deck physically can't stop it's backwards momentum that was previously counteracting you immediately. Unfortunately, I don't think this kind of solution will ever work for moving at anything above a fast walk due to the inherent momentum of the treadmill. @@VirtualChap2024
@@00WhiteBladeThe Infinadeck detects when your not in the middle anymore then it moves you back into the middle but the rotating arm would hold you in the in place so it wouldn’t move
You could have a floating arm with limited movement@@gavinmatthews3596
Wow, I'd buy the last one in a heartbeat. Even if it cost thousands.
As long as it supports any flagship headset and works in most games and applications. I'm in
Infinidec looks the mutz nutz. Great vid.
Think about trying to swing a sword in vr on the infinadec and smack your arm on the railing.
Keep up the sick work!
Thank you
i love the cybershoes, steven seagal mode
Omnideck. Nuff said.
big problems is still: outside the us, most treadmills are still import ware and shipping them, get expensive. and the second thing is the vr hardware itself. the market nowadays, is centered around 2 groups. enthusiast level set starting a 1600+ dollars and midrange standalone devices with pcvr as an afterthought and no way to get compression free feed. theres no index 2, no reverb g3.. no lower high end high midrange packs on current gen state. its eighter eol stuff like the g2, with known problems with tracking and downsides like smal fov or last gen hardware that isnt worth its asking price anymore, when 300 dollar cheaper newer version, do certain things so much better, for less money. vr is still niche, most succes is on the casual market and there you dont need many of the aspects, that i wanna see improved for good pricing.
The infinidec looks fine currently, just lower the price a bit cuz I'm assuming it's hella expensive rn. Big enough space to rn. I think realistically a VR or AR dedicated room fits best for full movement. Maybe strips of mini cameras like the LED lights ppl have in their rooms, but lined with small cameras for tracking. That way when I'm high I can go into vr, into an extremely trippy environment and get more fucked up.
Yeah very expensive 40k 😶 yeah I agree nothing is better than having a big space , sounds alot like the index with there inferred cameras
I'll be going for Kat VR treadmill.
It definitely is the best locamotion product available to the public
Those are some good ideas. The shoes... They're complicated to understand. 🤨
Good vid dude
I don't understand how the Infinidec does 360? Perhaps the next step is a treadmill on a rotating platform that turns when you turn. Needs to be light, quiet and cheap as well. No more than the headset anyway. Not sure about the complaints about people getting tired. There will be be lots of super fit gamers in the future that never went near a gym, or sports field. What's wrong with that?
No need for a rotating platform with the infinidec. Since you can walk in any direction on the Infinidec, you'll be effectively moving in the direction you want and the deck translates that to movement. On it's input it's just a treadmill that you can walk any direction in and it returns you in the middle, on the output it is effectively the thumbstick that is sending commands to move in the direction that you are moving (If you move diagonally, it sends commands to move you diagonally). Does it detect when you turn in reality or would you have to effectively only use the thumbstick to turn yourself, that I don't know but it looks cool nevertheless.
This could be the solution to getting exercise and playing video games at the same time.
I wonder if cybershoes would work with dome kind of harness thing you could hang from the ceiling. As a DIYer i might pick these up and see what i can make
Okay, the 2nd thing. Maybe ill watch the full video before commenting
Is the Kat walk able to be in a quest without steam vr
Infinideck needs not to shrink it needs to expand, heavily. I want one thats about 10x10 meter big. Cus the problem it will have is sudden movement and frantic actions. Size solves that easily.
Me gustan estos juego. Están fantasticos.gracia.
There is a new type of treadmills hopefully coming to private consumers in the next years. It's based on omnidirectional rollers, in theory this approach could be way smaller, quieter and also cheaper than the Infinadeck while still offering the same advantages.
ruclips.net/video/l47usqNJyJo/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/LmfzZoLwLys/видео.html
My only problem with these systems is that they can't simulate stairs, falls, inclines, rolls, jumps, flying. They are slide systems or they are 2d movement systems. The technology is still to primitive to see anything cool imo.
That's why we need full deep dive VR like from SAA (Sword Art Online) that uses our brain nerves while we sleep, so it's like an ultra realistic dream
@@insansiregar6158 Yes but that type of technology is way further down the road, probably not something we'd see in our lifetime. Right now we could use a multiple axis SCARA (Selective Compliance Assembly Robot Arm) and a more robust platform to get a way better result than this slide stuff but it's just too expensive apparently.
I think it’s going to be a multi-solution situation. The Kat Walk C is IMNSHO is the probably the most versatile solution.
The Infiniti Deck is probably the most accurate solution, but it’s not going to work in every home, as space and shape of rooms in different homes and apartments are hardly standardized.
The free walking ODT shoes are a nice solution but falling over is a legit big danger.
I could go on, but I think the point is made. I very much doubt that this is going to be a “one size fits all” scenario. I’m betting good money it’s going to have multiple solutions that aren’t even really apples to apples competitors. Instead it’s going to be apples to oranges for local motion solutions.
At least that’s how I see it.
the holotron is the way
Plot twist: we are already in VR
Cool
Is there deca move still avaiable?
what about holotron?
Slidemill and treadmill shoes should be combi
that shoe solution seems like the ideal solution. minimal footprint and it seems like it can have identical results as the infinideck
This is legit guys
What about the arm that attaches to your wall and carries you? That's the most promising tech IMO. I can't remember its name
Edit: It's called the Holotron
Nice find, I do remember this one back a few years ago but struggled to find it again, does look incredible. Looks like it needs to be powered by a nuclear reactor though 😂
@@VirtualChap2024 yea, it looks like we are talking really long run... but then again, VR development has surprised us before.
infinity deck isn't the future of VR. All these are gimmicks, even if they are the best options people have. VR still isn't worth buying into yet.
fu