Bishop Barron opened my eyes to the intellectual aspect of the Faith and this is pure gold. Even the Bible talks of kings who were described as brilliant but were drawn to the preaching of apostles such as Paul, Phillip, etc. The Faith is not just a folktale, it is also logical and intellectual as well, which are attributes of the Holy Spirit. God bless you, Bishop.
Jordan Peterson changed my life, maybe even saved it. Thanks to him i found my way back to holy mother church. I am happily waiting for your next podcast with him.
Raised Southern Baptist and chose baptism at age 11. Lived a secular life in my teens and early twenties. Felt unsatisfied with the limits of existentialism and began to wander spiritually. I started at Eastern Orthodox and now find myself getting ready to begin RCIA and become Catholic in my late twenties. I want to do everything I can as a layman to help the Church. Pray for the Church and my generation. Most people want answers.
@Penvid I'm an R&D biotech researcher with a degree in horticultural physiology. Science and faith aren't mutually exclusive unless you don't understand actual Catholic theology.
Penvid Oh really have you heard of Louis Pasteur or Gregor Mendel? Funny that both believe in the existence of God. Pasteur was a pioneer of virology and Mendel pioneered the Genetics inherited laws. Science cannot explain how World Wars were caused.
@@tr1084 I have some good books on PDF about conversions, quite interesting. If you want I can send you 2 or 3, if you write me an email. Suppose you know Budziszewski, Edward Feser, Scott Hahn, Peter Kreeft etc
"Why do we have such a knee-jerk anti-intellectualism?" That should go down as the question of the late-20th century Church. The Church's rich and robust intellectual tradition SHOULD BE her great strength in the modern world, but we seem to have tossed it out right when it was needed most. That was a grave miscalculation. Anti-intellectual youth formation programs may have kept high school kids coming to youth group in the short term, but that generation (mine) became the "nones" as soon as it was presented with competing intellectual traditions in university.
@@BlindTom61 But aren't you looking for Protestants? Anyway before you change the route, since you must, put on that 'armour of love' and take the 'sword of the Spirit'.
Victor Ray as a person who has been in youth ministry for 10 years, I whole-heartedly agree. The church has such deep, rich teachings. We miss them in our usual youth programming which is often oriented toward those who are totally un-evangelized. We need to focus less on numbers and more on discipleship, and accompaniment of a few at a time.
Everything Bishop Barron said here is true! I used to be a NONE. Then I watched Bishop Barron's video on the Lord's Prayer, and I was so amazed. I thought him to be the most intelligent person ever. We were not taught those things in religion class. Please, if people still do this, don't teach religion class as "Be nice, be polite, and God loves you." Give us the intellectual stuff!
I'm 45 I left the church 30 years ago, I am now getting back into the church. I am now just discovering C.S. Lewis, G.K. Cheasterson, etc. If I had been introduced to these intellectuals early on growing up I might have never left. I needed an intellectual description of beliefs that I didn't know existed and was told by the secular world that religion offered no intellectual basis for belief.
I was washed up here by the Jordan Peterson wave. My prideful search for truth in life lead me to him, and he lead me to the the idea of God. Life is intense now, spiritual guidance is probably required...
You're coming the right place, there's plenty of Christians here and I'm not personally Catholic, but I don't recognize the divisions between denominations. We've got a one world religion and globalism at our heels and it's time to get it together because the devil is literally as a roaring lion as the scripture says and he's got a whole lot of workers, brainwashed in in his service.
All I could do is cry and laugh with joy during this show!! I agree so much everything expressed and the emphasis on intellectual engagement, how the evil one works and just the seriously casual brush off of the stupid and ridiculous. Magnificent !! 👏🏼👏🏼thank you Bishop Barron we all pray for you and Brandon too!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000 You have made a GRAND NEW entry here on Bishop Robert Barron's Channel. Whoever you think you are, your approach and language such as 'Barron', 'Benedict' (buddies?) seem to indicate that you belong to the clan of haters. *You are an accuser and divider in essence..* You have been found out already and are desperate now about saving your face and skin. The wiser thing for you is to save your time and go look in the mirror. *Jesus Christ wouldn't propose any of his followers to resort to your kind of attitude and behaviour.* Unfortunately for you, you are revealing yourself to be one of those 'strays' that intrude on the Channel. Make use of your two eyes since you maybe having them. *Read ALL that is surrounding the RUclips video, mind you there are lots of stuff, and check on yourself beginning with your 'ethics' to your 'credentials' to your 'goals'.* You have well qualified to stay off this space. Don't prove you need further help.
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000 not a Reddit user, but thanks for the invite - peace be with you - if you care to debate here, you have my permission to forward my insights to the group
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000 Eh, what's this game up against a 'fallible MAN Robert Barron'? And if this is part of your understanding of 'intellectual dialogue', you better go into some hiding before you be made to feel embarrassed and perplexed about your own self. What are you trying, if not trying to divide, by painting some picture of 'Benedict' and 'Barron' as opponents. As though you know either of them. Come on ...
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000 You have been revealing amply well your own 'intentions' for your posts. You think others are motivated the way you do too. You don't even think there are the kinds out here who have their own brain. So much so the moment you spot one you attack *blindly.*
@Folk Aart Love needs faith. It's also a sense of the soul. Don't be afraid of the truth, the power of believing. It's an awesome freedom from the inner bullshit lies, we tell ourselves sometimes are "facts". Thank you for sharing.
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000 If it is said that Satan is an accuser that doesn't create satans of somebody who made an accusation as well. I don't think the question had to be posed.
Pistis Alethie this woman Mary has a quick draw when tradition is defended and promoted. I have left the new mass. When I pray the Holy rosary, I will pray Mary finds the narrow gate.
I love listening to your broadcasts and I am enjoying Bishop Barron's book, Catholicism: A Journey to the Heart of Faith (reading it out loud to my lovely wife). I want to say here that our universities, social media, television and Hollywood itself is fully prejudiced in a liberal leftist prejudice toward a post-modernist, feminist, and secular or "all inclusive" (except for white, male, Christian, Jewish, conservative viewpoints. In movies and in colleges there is cultivated an actual disdain and animosity to traditional religion, western civilization (including literature and music) and the fostering of incivility, arrogance as an ideal, and censorship ideas, especially ideas that are not disparaging but supportive of traditional morality and just discounting of simple truth and facts. I find this a break down in all the social norms pushed by a leftist orientation that dismisses and fights against all established norms and institutions and authority. This is why I love reading and listening to those like Bishop Barron and reading the prophetic works of C.S. Lewis, Malcolm Muggeridge and G.K. Chesterton who foresaw so much of the then progressing and forthcoming social malaise. They really saw the arising of the progressive justice insanity and what it would lead to; including Lewis' "men without chests." Jordan Peterson was a great aid to my seeing through my own "social justice" blinders (social justice most often being more akin to injustice and diversity more akin to shutting down diversity of perspectives).
Brandon, Bishop Barron, that's a good sign! The devil is smart and can immediately tell where his more threatening opponents are. If he's stirring up trying to cause division (his favorite weapon) that's a sign that you must be doing something well. I would be worried if all your endeavors were just smooth sailing. In Spanish we say a famous quote from Don Quixote: "Ladran, Sancho: señal que cabalgamos" (they're barking, Sancho: that's a sign that we're riding). Dogs don't bark when you're standing still. Onward, then! Count with my prayers.
@@marypinakat8594 yup, that's right. Some like Bishop Barron blaze the trail, while others just sit on the sidelines and bark, more or less knowingly being a tool of Satan. It's happening to Pope Francis a lot too. Lots of barking in his unstoppable wake, lots and furious attempts at sowing discord and division. He too must be doing something well.
@@xaviervelascosuarez Pope Francis is the worst victim of 'gossip' ever. Indeed, knowingly or unknowingly, too many have become 'tools' of satan. Pope Francis will go down history as the Pope who has 'suffered' the most. I would think that the pain inflicted on him by those within the Church is worse than any other. He sure does posses a tenacity that can only be from Jesus.
The art and skill of discussion and debate is disappearing from our culture. It seems as if personally held beliefs are held so tentatively that any statement or idea that does not utterly reinforce those ideas destabilizes the individual. (Actual cognitive dissonance, perhaps?) From my limited observations, this is happening because we now have multiple generations who have been indoctrinated in the ideas of subjective truth - this whole idea of "my truth" instead of "THE truth", and not understanding that "my 'truth'" is actually just my perspective, which is far removed from objective truth. Because their reality has been constructed around personal perspective, which will always be extremely limited and biased, as soon as a different perspective is introduced their reality begins to fall apart. Having your reality challenged or even begin to crumble is going to produce a strong emotional and psychological reaction, and the easiest way to protect yourself is to utterly reject (hate) anything that doesn't agree with you and to surround and insulate yourself with unchallenging ideas. Hence the echo chamber we hear so much about these days. Sadly, this is now so prevalent in western culture that "discussion" is defined as talking with people I agree with, and "debate" as hate speech.
You explained that very well. It's an intimidating problem. i didn't know what I was sensing a number of years ago didn't know of the political clime, the far left neo communist movement, but I knew people online were creeping mne out and I kept saying they were like brain dead zombies.
Stumbled upon Jordan Peterson’s RUclips’s before he became a phenomenon and was struck by how he seemed in many respects unknowingly quite ‘Catholic’. His focus on the value of biblical stories whether one was a believer or not and the care he took in trying to make sense of them was refreshing. Fascinated me to the point my husband wondered why I spent so many hours listening to Peterson. My husband started listening, as well as our 20 something son (independent of us/our interest). Peterson made points much like my former Phil prof, Gerry Campbell, from whom I learned more about Catholicism than my many, varied theology profs. I was challenged in my 20s, in Phil classes to question, to think, to form good questions and use logic. Can’t say I mastered those skills, but I recognized them again when I heard them. As families, as Church, as citizens of the world, we are becoming more able to speak the truth to each other without alienating, or hatred. Thank you for stepping out and engaging in reasonable, intelligent dialogue with so many varied personalities while maintaining your Catholic faith. May we all always be able to speak the truth in love.
Those of us who seek to know the truth at all costs, even at the cost of previously held beliefs/ideologies are open to rational, polite, discussion. We thirst for it. Some of us have come to believe/realize that there is objective truth and we even go so far as to say Truth is a person. His name is Jesus Christ. It is no small thing to profess this.
I'm a non denominational Christian myself and when I heard Peterson and saw his secular ministry take off, if you will, I marveled and thanked God for it over and over. I shared him w/ a lot of people. I never really knew how to talk to and reach atheists, because I've never been one, but he has and is no longer, and he sure does speak their language. I've seen huge long threads of hundreds a piece of atheists talking about God, the bible and amazed that they couldn't wait for his bible series to start. Many of them admitted they were crying or teary but didn't understand why. Amazing stuff. God raised up Peterson, no doubt of that in my mind.
I love the arena mentality. It's such a strength that we have all sorts of diverse people in our church. We have philosophical powerhouses. We have the emotional, we have scientists and poets. Regardless, if you feel you are a committed catholic, it is time to get into the arena. Seeing a person become a true disciple of Christ, seeing the Power of God transform a college student or an accountant or med student; some become religious and priests-- that is what keeps us going. We tend the garden of Christ, we plant the seeds, we water, maybe someone else waters, but we all rejoice when we see the growth in individuals as they become disciples of Christ. Our particular 'schtick' has been to form small scripture groups for daily prayer with obedience and self examination. There are as many approaches as there are members of the church. Seek first the kingdom.
This particular video yields rich substance for philosophical and ontological explorations. The very last part, bishop Baron’s reference to Jesus walking on water, is a most compelling meta metaphor. Holding this imagery alongside the imagery emerging from post-modern claims of self-invention and absolute relativism leads to the following: a picture of Man sinking rapidly in the depth of life’s ocean of unwelcome storms as an incarnate God calls on him to focus on Him versus a picture of Man dropped in the middle of life’s ocean of unwelcome storms as Derida and Fouceault yell victoriously: « Now you are free! Swim, oh Man! Lévis du Canada
In the end, the man that focuses on Jesus is better off. He, because of his focus, has the hope of rescue. The other man? He will swim, until his arms get tired. Then he will sink.
Bishop Barron is basing his apologetics on Prof. Jordan Peterson? Can someone be so deliberately inane? Prof Peterson has many good things to say. Bishop Barron speaks magnificent Truths about the nature of God. Thank you, Bishop Barron. I teach CCD 5th grade at my parish and I listen to your podcasts and meditate on your daily homilies partly so that I can be a better catechist to my young charges. I am ever mindful that I bear a very serious responsibility in helping to orient my 10 year olds toward God.
Peterson's style of presentation and delivery reaches out and connects to the "nones". Bishop Barron is taking notice and seeing this as the best way to reach young people. You would be quite the fool to not use the most successful techniques to bring people to the faith.
I have heard that one of the issues surrounding the NONES is the loss of the "mystical" sense of the Catholic faith has expressed when visiting a Catholic church. I don't know, but so many churches no longer exhibit beautiful art, statues or even a beautiful literurgy that makes one's mind and heart soar up to God, Jesus, the Blessed virgin. Following that thought I have heard that the "old" Latin Masses, where they are said have strong attendance, especially young folks, families, etc. Can you substantiate or investigate if any of this is true?? Thanks for all you are doing. I follow you every day on line from my home in Ct. Thank you.
I've heard other Catholic channels say it. Faith Goldy had a great interview w/ the author of Infiltration on her channel and his about it all. They are very against the reforms in the church.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 I've read his book. It is a quick read and very interesting. It appears that his facts are well researched. So there are reforms and not all reforms are necessarily good. My comments to Bishop Barron are my own and are informed by my family's and friends comments over the years that followed V.C.II. It is also very obvious by just visiting Catholic Churches around the country as I have done.
I enjoy Bishop Barron and also Sheen and Mother Angelcia. I'm beginning to realize the devil is not all that smart, however he has many tools, money, sex, power, etc,. whereas God has one, Love. Once I realized that it is not so hard to stay with God.
Please don't associate Bishop Sheen and Mother Angelica with this snake Barron. Both Sheen and M Angelica were saintly, faithful and sincere Catholics, Barron is a cunning heretic, unfortunately he's also intelligent and charismatic that's why he can fool so many people.
I'm an atheist who is fairly engaged with religious people, and very engaged online. I'm interested: How can we learn about objective truth without something approximating scientific processes? I am raising my small children, the way they learn about the objective world seems to closely resemble scientific processes. The exception is when learning about people, they learn about people also by mirroring them.
Some of them are really flourishing, esp. Benedictines in the U.S. (Benedictines of Mary, Abbey of Regina Laudis), Dominican nuns, Carmelites......there's good work going on here!
Theology of the Body is an incredible topic for evangelization. Romantic love, dating, sex. It’s on all young people’s minds and it offers a solution to problems that all young people are experiencing, especially women. Women are hurting and TOB is a solution, a totally different view of dating/love/marriage that our society has offered. We are more and more recognizing that the popular views are not working and we need a new way. I believe TOB at least plays a large role in that. It’s the greatest love story of all time.
Intellectuals are needed because they can dissect reasons into pieces of understandable logic. No dumb person can do that. However, the kind of intellectuals we need are those that are not arrogant and condescending; who think of themselves as privileged and knowledgable. We need compassionate, humble, and loving intellectuals.
Exactly why we need intellectuals like Thomas Aquinas and in secular philosophy; Jordan Peterson. It’s easy to prove why God exists, and point out some high-level meanings to existence, Dr Peterson is brilliant at this and has pulled many people away from atheism
Fpk Hk416 then prove god exists. Until you do that, this study is the final nail in the coffin of atheism for me: www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-prayer-prescription/
In matters of faith, the gospel and doctrine has to be communicated indirectly. if we do it directly, and especially with the millennials, it gives. Them the option to reject it immediately. Which is what most do. It has been said by many theologians that when it comes to appropriating deep, life changing truths, it is most often done in a state of suffering. So timing and method of communication are key in addressing the “nones” problem
@DrEustace Mullins He can be a Jew but definitely not antichrist or antichristian. Leaving all that aside, what if we respect him for his awesome humanness? Definitely we won't lose anything. On the contrary we might discover our own humanity enriched. Thank you.
Once you see video from 1963 of doctors stating that the wound to the forehead was an entry wound, which makes sense since Jackie climbed on the trunk to recover his brains which were sliding onto the street, the idea of Oswald being the sole assasin forever passes into fiction.
Patrick Tracy going from a Protestant church to the Catholic Church, I found it incredibly comforting if you’re usually more introverted. Catholicism greatly encourages gathering but also quiet/ meditative prayer. Whichever parish you go to I’ve always found people to be very welcoming with no expectation of putting on a display. I’ll pray that God guides you to where you need to be, but don’t worry, you’re in great hands in the holy Catholic Church. God bless
Dear friend, do not be afraid. That is nonsense. God loves introverted people too, He created You. You don't have to change your personality to be nearer to God. He knows You more than You know yourself. Only thing you can do to be close to God is to live in Truth. Seek Truth, love truth, live truth! Please, do not bother with nonsense. You have your place in God's heart! Be courageous and go find Eternal God! May God bless You brother
I'm very introverted and becoming Catholic. It's been a great experience. The parish has been gentle and loving. I encourage quiet, meditative prayers like the Rosary.
By far, most kids in our parish attend public school, while most of the resources go to those who attend Catholic school. The mis-match is staggering. Maybe we should focus on good catechesis for ALL young people.
Thank you Bishop Barron. One of the specifics which I feel may engage nones are some of the events which have showed that the Good Lord is in charge. Examples are what made the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe; what are the miracles of the Eucharist that have become apparent throughout the world? Our Lady's many visits which are well documented and even shown on some of the computer programs. What about the visitation to Heaven hell and purgatory by many of the Saints etc etc. People like Padre Pio, just to name a few. May the peace love and blessing of the Holy Spirit be with your mission, always.
@@row1landr Indeed interesting. Why only these three? There are many that are doing similar works. In my opinion none of them are of much worth. Regrets.
Bishop Barron, I think perhaps you are not giving enough credit to intelligent people regarding skepticism of the truth claims of the Catholic Church. I think part of the issue is not so much that honest seekers in the "nones" category desire to wantonly pursue the cult of individualism, boldly eschewing any objective claims of truth by the CC. (That may be true for some.) Rather, I think at least for genuine seekers who have done their homework, they find that the truth claims of the CC do not hold up to close scrutiny. Catholic apologists often make their case as a cumulative one based on an assortment of carefully chosen circumstantial evidence. That cumulative case works in reverse, as well. The all-too-human story behind the bible's creation, the old testament divinely-ordered genocides, the misogyny of the Church fathers, the hiddenness of god, the *anti-science history of the Church, it all adds up. In a world where people can openly and easily research claims on their own, is it a wonder that nones are leaving? I watched your video on old testament violence, such as divinely ordered Genocide, where you say we need to read it metaphorically through the lens of Jesus. You sidestep the issue by jumping to metaphor (putting the "ban" on the evil inside you or some such). You never actually grapple with the reality that God ordered genocide. If you want to get the "nones" back you'll have to give a much better answer. * I realize the CC has a better history of embracing science than almost any other denomination, but it is not enough. Don't believe me? Here is some astonishing evidence from a 1941 Bible that I have, the Douay Bible, with the Encyclical Letter in the preface by Pope Leo XIII, where he essentially urges Catholics to be science deniers. Here is a direct quote from Pope Leo, essentially urging Catholics to disbelieve any science that contradicts the Catholic Church's teaching. Shameful. Resolution of apparent contradiction - “If dissension should arise between them, here is the rule also laid down by St. Augustine, for the theologian: ‘Whatever they can really demonstrate to be true of physical nature, we must show to be capable of reconciliation with our Scriptures; and whatever they assert in their treatises which is contrary to these Scriptures of ours, that is to Catholic faith, we must either prove it as well as we can to be entirely false, or at all events we must, without the smallest hesitation, believe it to be so.’”[De Gen. ad litt., i., 21, 41] edit: grammar
Here's a good answer BTS. God can kill whoever he wants and it isn't murder, since God is our maker. Thomas Aquinas proves by reason that God is always good, so when God kills, God's reasons are good. Don't forget -- God kills in the New Testament as well. Murder is taking, with no rightful authority, the life of a person - which is why human beings cannot normally kill other human beings (the bottom line). I guarantee the the CC teaching holds up to scrutiny and would love to debate (in a friendly way).
Hi Bishop Baron. I’ve watched your videos with Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson and I’m blown away by your intellectual approach to faith and i was wondering if you have anything for someone who is interesting in making the transition into faith. I’m not completely sold and there are a lot of things I would like to learn. I just don’t know where to start and I know the priests in my area aren’t welcoming to intellectual criticism - but I know the modern critiques levelled at Christianity have been addressed. So how would you recommend I take my first step? I would love to rejoin the culture of my ancestors. Thank you.
God bless you, Vince! You might begin with my book, "Catholicism: A Journey to the Heart of the Faith." If you have follow-up questions, send an email to our team at Word on Fire and they'd love to help you: contact@wordonfire.org
Fr. Robert Spitzer is brilliant. He gives scientific evidence for the existence of God at his 'Credible Catholic' site. This info needs to get out there!
The meaning of life is obedience to Christ. The meaning of life is NOT: 1. To be happy 2. To find your dream job 3. To find "true love" 4. To possess wisdom 5. Whatever you want it to be 6. Anything but Jesus Christ
@@Kitiwake Notice my emphasis on SOME of those things. Not ALL of those things. So, by your logic, Christ doesn't want us to better ourselves and gain wisdom? Christ doesn't want us to find true happiness through him? Wasn't that the point of his mission? Sorry, but that's not the Jesus I know and worship.
Thanks for your insights Bishop Barron. I ask if you could spend some time to explore a course in miracles? I was raised catholic, then adopted a secular viewpoint after training and working in the sciences. But, it is quantum physics that depletes reductionist logic and points to a vital source to explain the unknowable. Hence, I began seeking again in my early 40’s, studying new age spirituality, attending mass and reading the New Testament. But, I came to a full stop upon Revelations; so strange. However, I’ve found great comfort in my study of ACIM and i can’t find any inconsistencies per Christ’s messaging. Church tradition notwithstanding, ACIM seems in perfect alignment with a Christian life.
@18:27 Brandon refers to the repeated references to the truth about the relationship between faith and science. I think that our world needs the repeated references: for one, a first-time listener might be in the audience and for another, lessons are learnt through repetition. I wouldn't balk at repeating. Good work!
Its incoherent that when one makes a metaphysical claim (with reasons), people assume that one is being judgmental. They are also being judgmental because they are assuming the claim that judging is wrong (with not reasoning). SMH
@@TheLeonhamm I agree. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of calling someone judgmental. Today's society has many illogical and incoherent assumptions. I did not understand what you meant with the "limitations in our free will". I am not sure what you are referring to.
@@TheLeonhamm I see. I just consider truth to be in a higher order than will. because, our will or freedom can lead to things like murder. Truth(cant really define) directs our will towards the good. Truth cannot go wrong and the will can. I would avoid arguing from a will perspective because of that. but I do understand what you mean about our limited will.
I am one of these "nones". I do agree that there is such a thing as objective morality. I do think there is a proper way to live life in order to bring about the most good (minimize useless/unnecessary suffering). But I believe this because I have tested it against reality. I have tried living a self-indulgent, lazy, undisciplined, ungrateful life, and all it did was cause harm. When I started focusing on being virtuous, things just came together. I don't pursue virtue because some faith tells me to; I do it because it actually makes the world a better place, and makes me feel fulfilled. And I do not believe that I need to be part of a religious institution in order to live this way.
"If someone was claiming there was a colony of penguins living on Jupiter, I'd just write them off as a lunatic". What if billions of people believed that? What if most of humanity lived their lives and made important decisions based on this 'fact'? Would you just write them all off as lunatics? Or would you engage them in an effort to improve their lives and your own?
But what if there was people who even though there was saints who have many miracles to their name, that science cannot expain dont believe the evidence because it doesnt suit their view on life. How do you help them, without of course sounding patronising.
@@aine7173 I don't think your comment has much do to with mine, but I'll consider it for a moment. I think your question is "What if someone does not accept the personal experiences of others as evidence?" I should mention that saying someone rejects evidence because "it doesn't suit their view on life", is, indeed, patronizing unless such a person is making it clear that is why the evidence is rejected. I've personally experienced many things that even I do not believe. We know that humans are incredibly fallible, and that physical evidence often contradicts personal testimony. Does that mean miracles did not happen? No. But nearly half of Americans believe aliens have visited Earth, and almost 20% that they have been abducted. Should I believe them? Mormons have well-established miracles: africawest.lds.org/five-miracles-in-the-history-of-mormonism Should I believe in those? Why not? The Buddha has many miracles attributed to him: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracles_of_Gautama_Buddha We need to work on perspectives we can hold in common. If I make claims that can't be held in common by those that do not share my culture and general set of experiences, how can I expect them to accept those claims as "evidence"?
@@gfxpimp thank you for considering it for a moment. A moments thought is indeed what was put into the reply. Suggesting people of religion are like people who believe penguin are wherever or alien abductions etc really tells us all we need to know. Explaining the love of God to some is like explaing "gravity to a chicken".
Exactly. Stop dumbing down the faith! That and treat the sex abuse crisis with the same tenacity Jesus did when people were using his Fathers house for personal gain. Even as a practicing Catholic, is feels like the Church would rather not deal with it even worse, eat away with it.
Certainly you commented without hearing Bishop Barron here in the video. All those who still harp on the 'sex abuse scandal' in the Comments section here ought to be brain damaged.
@@marypinakat8594 those annoying victims of these predators should shut up, right. So you can enjoy your "intellectual ", superior ... and sterile debate with you leader this snake Barron. You're full of poison, and your "saint", Barron is heretic, a smart one , I give him that.
From the time I was a very young man I could tell that the priest spoke a different language from the pulpit. Most times I would get to the end of the homily and not know what the priest had just said. He uses words that are never used in common parlance. This is still true today. I go to mass for many reasons but listening to the priest for wisdom isn't one of them. Sometimes I get kind of mad at the priest when I think 'you've gathered everyone in the room like this, and then you talk to them like that?' It seems like we've relegated the evangelization task to just a few people, and they're not doing it very well. Then a guy like Peterson comes along and reaches people we can't even dream of reaching, and illustrates that it can be done. Yet we still cling to the formula that doesn't work. I found my faith by rhinking carefully about the nonsensical case that Dawkins and company were proposing. Their acolytes were exceptionally obnoxious and aggressive in advancing their arguments, and I developed the ability to stand firm in the face of it and be just as aggressive in dismantling their arguments. I stopped demuring. It did wonders for my own faith, but has largely left me socially isolated, and there is the conundrum. The main current of Canadian society is literally in opposition to the Church.
@TofeldianSage Suppose not only Canada, but the whole Western world. Thank God we have Bishop Barron. And also, there is hope for Canadians: Jordan Peterson is from your country
Peterson seems to have spent a good portion of his life seeking truth. Those of us who seek to know the truth at all costs, even at the cost of discarding previously held beliefs/ideologies are open to rational, polite, discussion. We thirst for it. Some of us have come to believe/realize that there is objective truth and we even go so far as to say that Truth is a person and His name is Jesus Christ. It is no small thing to profess this. Peterson is aware of what professing this might mean. He has made terms such as virtue, truth, sacrifice, responsibility, logos mainstream and has, from his own sort of ‘none’ stance attracted nones and believers too to consider biblical stories/archetypes relevant, important, even. Plus, he seems to genuinely care, to encourage truth-seeking, to help others choose to live meaningful lives. He, like any human being, does not have all the answers, but there is value and much to learn from him. A Catholic response to him and Bishop Barron’s response is logical and needed. Thank you.
Just a thought: Catholics leaving in droves especially the young, needs a new fresh speaker, huge numbers attracted to Jordan Peterson particularly the youth, wonder why he isn't a Catholic, just a thought 🤔
A priest explained to me that the salvific mission is analogous to scoring in like soccer. You need the whole team to score, but a single person can fumble the ball
you say faith brings you piece but that is fucking funny because you aren't at peace at all. Go to hell.....you are exactly why people leave the church......fear. Fear is the reason why people leave the church and if you cannot fucking see that.....then maybe you don't deserve to even go to heaven yourself.
@Collins Anosike I can't remember that. I think sometimes misreadings/misinterpretations do happen. Has happened to me too. Maybe we are all in a hurry at times (ha ha). Thanks for the thought. God bless!
I was baptized in the catholic church, i went through the first communion and through confirmation, but never learned anything. Thats cause i was forced to go and to be rebellious i never payed attention. Now im 27 way more mature and interested in learning. I was going for the king james bible but heard it was of protestant teaching. What bible do the Catholics use?
It's not just that people are opposed to the idea of there being these objective, god-given morals and truths, it's that the church, which consists of fallible human beings, are claiming to know them, and speak about them on God's behalf. When a priest or bishop tells you how to live your life, it just seems like they're trying to control you. Them, as humans. Not God. Even if you believe in objective, theistic morality, it's hard to trust that the Catholic church are the ones to deliver it. Especially these days with all the molesting priests and more importantly the organization's attempts to cover it up. You might disagree, but that's how most young people see it. If religion ever makes a resurgence, I think (and hope) it will be on a more individual, rather than organized, basis. What gives any human being more authority than another to decide what God thinks?
I am waiting for a different hope like when Bishop notice that most of priest do not care about children catehesis ( I volunteered for several years) 0 interest from all 3 priests in my parish even though all of them seem to like me. I estimate at least 80% of students will fall off in college and they will be the NONES. I talked to other catehists same neglect only yearly whining by deacons that we need volunteer catehists. Priest seem to care about old ladies why ? I do not want sin by accusation.
As the cardinals and bishops invite the perverse and evil of mortal sin among themselves, you actually cause the confusion in our youth. We ended the pagan confusion about sexual perversion centuries ago. As you refuse to profess the doctrine, you are to blame for worldly influences now tearing at the Church
I would love to hear Bishop Barron in conversation with John Butler... You can listen to John at spiritual unfoldment with John Butler channel on RUclips.
(Amen & thanksgiving for your grace-filled point of stopping the splintering in the fighting. We all must avoid this, or be led back into the boat by Jesus Christ after the waves of discord cause us to fail and start sinking.) People like Fr. Spitzer make inroads to the 'nones' who show a hungry heart just by asking basic questions regarding inner happiness in relation to how earthly things, including relationships and the effect of placing to much trust in transitory things & experiences, always end up with lack of fulfillment. And gently leading toward asking to ponder wouldn't a higher purpose for fulfillment have someone higher than us as the source of desiring things like perfect justice? Might I make a recommendation? Mathematics and physics and physics point toward 'invisible' planes of existence. With much creativity, this can be related to the 'hard problem' of consciousness, the difficulties in explaining how God - All-Powerful, All-Knowing, and All-Seeing allowed free will to manifest so much unearned suffering - especially for the helpless like children; and why Jesus Christ Ascended into Heaven. Since we all have a limited time here, we can relate this to credible 2 or three witnesses verifying that some who experience Near Death with no brain waves know of objects and conversations far from the room which they happen to be. We could ask the question, do you see that we could exist in a temporary plane of existence; whereby our free willed decisions have lasting consequences? Neil deGrasse Tyson a famous atheist once speculated that (two Euclidean zero-dimensional points describe a one-dimensional line); (three zero-dimensional points not on the same line describe a two-dimensional plane); (four zero-dimensional points with not in the same plan describe a three-dimensional object with width, depth, and height); and with the dimension of 'time' we exist in this dimension. Then he added that maybe along the same lines there are other dimensions or planes of existence that could; like we are higher than say chimpanzees with DNA differences; maybe other beings from other dimensions are much higher in intelligence than us, observing us & influencing our reality. Michio Kaku once conveyed that reliable quantum theory shows that for something to exist, it must be observed by the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle where fundamental particles behave also as a 'wave' or harmonic. Why wouldn't, instead of these theories that offer no reason for the seeming chaos of the harsh realities of unearned suffering except happenstance; reveal God's existence in The Form of a Man, not in form only to set an example for us, for consolation, Grace, and strength to endure the slings & arrows of outrageous fortune and the heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks to which flesh is heir (paraphrase Shakespeare)? Couldn't from outside of Creation & time as we know it, God constantly be helping everyone to strive to exist with the same objective harmonious reality God exists? And couldn't this be a 'Schrodinger's Cat Experiment,' or Star Trek 'Holo-deck' on God's Inexhaustible Limitless Power Scale? And the reality those who choose not to be molded for Heaven, be a forever animated dead existence in an imaginary plane where all the desires contrary to God's perfect harmony are never again allowed to manifest? A type of prison, where the dead existing in an imaginary plane of existence suffer from never being allowed to manifest those harmful desires, 'angry' at God in rebellion, forever? Couldn't all of Salvation history, recorded in The Holy Bible, only partly as direct Revelation, partly as humankind's concepts of God, even at times using God's name, claiming God said to do this or that that the Early Church Fathers already settled that we can only view those things through the lens of Christ; and all of history to the end of time; telling each generation & each person responsible for their actions according to how well formed their conscience is in their particular logistical history; in each person's life experience how they are a vehicle of how God separated Light from Darkness? We, limited beings, only have a limited view 'inside' this living 'story' or 'play' epic historical drama. I'm quite sure, in a more creative rules of the language arts logical philosophical discipline way, these speculations could find audiences of persons in the image and likeness of God, naturally seeking purpose with a hungry heart; wrestlers by nature; even if anesthetized by the distractions of life without a deeper relationship with God. Peace.
Every human has the right to question everything, hence freewill! Have you considered your truth may not be true? But that would make you like the rest of us doubtful! God forbid that you would have to share that ignominy 🤔
@@amycardill4897 So then the human quest for truth has finished here, how marvellous that the other 5 billion missed this and the receivers of it are leaving in droves🤔
"your" truth -- do you think, Demot, that truth is objective or subjective? It's a significant intellectual error to think people have their own truth, and I can prove that.
What are Dr. Jordan Peterson’s religious beliefs? Stanislav Kozubenko: (I will be basing this answer on a few hundred hours of his university lectures, Bible talks, and his other various appearances. He discusses religion/mythology very extensively, albeit cryptically. So it’s hard to assign him an easy label, especially since he has a tendency to dance around these kinds of questions. Also, please note: I can't look into his heart and inner beliefs; I can only analyze what he has said publicly). A common mistake is to label Dr. Peterson a Christian. While it’s true the professor has claimed to be a Christian, he should not have done so, as he doesn't subscribe to any of Christianity’s orthodox truth claims (Personal God, Deity of Christ, among most others). Neither is he correct in describing himself as “deeply religious”, since, again, the way he uses the term is vastly different to the way pretty much everyone else uses it. However, it’s totally understandable why people, who have only surface knowledge of his beliefs, take him at his word. The professor is very well-versed in the Bible, and discusses its stories quite a bit, much like a Christian preacher would. Unlike most classic believers though, he does not believe in a divine inspiration of the text. Rather, he likes to call them a collection of “meta-stories” - ancient stories that evolved over thousands of years by combining the distilled truth out of hundreds of smaller stories until they were finally written down in their final form. Put another way, the Bible, and mythology in general, are the meta-stories that have been “dreamed up” by humanity’s collective unconscious (which is powered in large part by our biology). If you haven’t guessed it yet… yes, Peterson has been heavily influenced by Carl Jung ;) One can totally ignore or redefine the supernatural when interpreting religious writings this way. And for the most part, that’s exactly what Peterson does. We can see this in action in how he interprets the Cain & Abel story. To Peterson, it is not a personal-monotheistic-divine Being that is displeased with Cain’s sacrifice… God is something more abstract, a combination of forces that act upon the individual in various forms: community, biology, the evolved unconscious mind, and the like. Instead of giving us historical truth, the story gives us a timeless archetype: Cain; a man that is unable to climb up the social hierarchy, poisoned by self-pity to malevolence, finally lashing out at the community in a murderous frenzy. A high school shooting is an example of the Cain & Abel meta-story playing itself out. On a side note: yes, it's true that interpreting the Bible allegorically/symbolically is extremely common within Christianity. But while some liberal Christians reject the literal completely, even then most of them still posit that there is knowledge to be gained about the nature of God through the book's study. The professor, on the other hand, purposefully holds to an agnostic position regarding divine inspiration of the Biblical stories (or again, even the existence of God). This is not an inconsequential difference, especially when we consider the fact that Jews, Christians, and Muslims have all, quite often, been referred to as “People of the Book". So religion has given us many good stories that teach us how society functions and the best way for us to function within it. Does Peterson go any farther than this? It doesn't seem so… or if he does, then not much farther. The doctor doesn't hold any concrete views on the existence of a soul/spirit, claiming we can’t know for sure until we understand more about consciousness. Heaven and hell are merely modes of reality that we live through here and now. His answer to whether or not God exists was: “I act as if God exists”, purposefully being vague as he “doesn't like being boxed in”. His usual dance around the question involves him going into a discussion on how if someone truly “believed" in something, one would align their life totally with it and consistently act it out. Since he is still imperfect, he “would not dare" make such a claim. Ofcourse, since this definition of belief is different to the typical one, he avoids answering whether or not God exists objectively, outside of his psychology/behavior. EDIT: More recently, Dr. Peterson, in a debate with Sam Harris, implied that it’s very likely that there is some sort of metaphysical reality that religion has been grappling with, attempting to explain and make sense of. He compared it to Astrology and Alchemy - in the sense of them being flawed precursors to Astronomy and Chemistry. It’s hard to pinpoint what exactly he means by “metaphysical” though. While it does seem like his views have slightly shifted in various ways since I first wrote the post, his approach to religion remains primarily pragmatic. True, Jordan Peterson does have elements of mysticism in his worldview, but he is not religious…at least not in any traditional sense of the word (or at least not publicly). In the end, it is much more accurate to simply label him an agnostic. Granted: an agnostic that sees value in the utility of religion, due to a deep understanding of the psychological ideas that religion encompasses within. And yet, at the end of the day, roughly speaking, he’s just an agnostic.
Does not human have tendency and weakness to find or make idols in their life, always look for someone, anyone including themselves or something, anything other than God to rely their lives upon. We may cringe when we read the Israelites made a golden calf to worship but indeed it is still happening, not the golden calf but different forms that seem to be relevant to the time and era. Not to be surprised then if there have been even religious idols. If the evil could use and twist the verses from the Scripture to launch his attacks, nothing else he couldn't use as a trick. God has been wanting his people to know Him, not as an abstract idea or concept, but as God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the Father of Jesus Christ. Unless we have detachments we cannot truly worship God. As always the most powerful spiritual weapon is pray.
Evolution is probably a lot to blame for people leaving - or at least, when people talk about "faith and science," it usually is about evolution. Of the ex-Catholics I've met, a big reason they left was evolution. Not even reconciling it with Genesis, but dealing with the philosophical issues it causes. Groups like the Kolbe Center are great.
Religions only hope is no different then it’s ever been. Science must squashed in anyway available, through the political arena or whatever, science is religions #1 enemy.
I hate to keep picking at this, but I don’t find Peterson to be an intellectual. He’s portrayed in such light, but he’s sort of an avatar for white-victimhood, for PC culture- aka “treating people with respect”- and the assertion of men’s dominance in the face of women asserting their equality. That’s why he appeals to a certain base and is controversial. I get that you’re attracted to his use of the Bible as a means for discussion or morality, but, as a parishioner in your region, I’m not on board with the Peterson agenda. And I’ll be happy to discuss this with you the next time you visit our parish, but I really don’t see us gaining much ground with the nones by invoking Peterson. God bless 🙏🏼
I love how the ultra religious keep coming up with reasons to get the NONES back into religious practices / churches etc. You are so tone deaf. How can you even cite JP as a great tool that can influence us the millennials? Millennials are mostly now Nones / agnostic/ atheists / secular humanists. People are leaving the church/ organised religion in general because it’s the 21st century. It’s nealy 2022. We have grown up in a period of technological advancements (The Internet). The internet has been the game changer for me personally. There is so much information, research that is a click away on my Iphone. We have been much more exposed to other cultures from around the world. If I want to learn about Islam, just a click away on RUclips and 1000’s of debate and lecture about Islam are available to me. If I want to learn about hinduism, Buddhism, other forms of Christianity, atheism, Spiritualism, Science etc, all I have to do is open my smart phone and search the internet. This is why my generation (Millennials) are deserting the establishment religions and political norms in droves. We want change that reflects our own 21st century values. Telling me that the creator of the universe impregnated a virgin 13 year old Mary and then was born, walked the earth, sacrificed itself for humans wrongdoings etc. And that 1+1+1 = 1 (Trinity). Sorry but some of our cognitive dissonance can’t stoop to such levels the year 2021 where the majority of us have at least reached college /university level of education. And it’s even getting worse with Gen Z, those that were in the 1990’s -2000’s. They are at about 70% religiously unaffiliated. I am in my 30’s and hope my children are going to be even less religious and focus more on secular humanism, logic, skepticism, rationality and reasoning etc.. 🙏😊
Hmm....I'd be interesting to know what Barron means by"religion", since he keeps bringing it up.Our Saviour NEVER invited anyone to religion or anyone's-"ism". He invited us to HIMSELF....😎😎😎
That's too simplistic. If you know about Jesus, it's because of "religion" in some sense. He was brought to you by churches, preachers, teachers, the Bible itself, etc., all of which are products of some sort of organized religion.
@@BishopBarron Sorry Barron, but that canned answer is meaningless. Almighty God engaged His original people via COVENANT, not religion, a word not even found in the Torah/Tanakh.As you yourself should know religion can be anything human beings concoct it to be; Roman Catholicism is a religious system/institution erected around the Person of Jesus the Christ, but as I said earlier, Our Saviour NEVER invited us to any religion (A word not found on HIS lips, either) but to enter into Covenant with Himself; even a cursory reading of the New Testament will show that. I daresay that if the Roman Catholic Church's predatory child-abusing priests had been in a real relationship with Jesus the Christ instead going through their endless, repetitious rites,rituals, and ceremonies, it's unlikely that the thought or desire to engage in sex with minors would have entered their minds After all, these men are designated "Altus Christus", but what are the odds The Saviour abused children? I await your reply...🤨🤨🤨 I
L C Ringo Just as you can’t know me apart from my body, so Christ can’t be known apart from his mystical body, the Church. Tell me how you came to know Jesus, and I will gladly tell you how the Church, in some sense, mediated that experience.
I agree with Bishop Barron, L C Ringo. Let me add this: religion is a habit of justice. Justice is giving others what they are owed according to their nature. With religion, we give God what God is owed. What is God owed? Basically a giant THANK YOU from all beings who are able to thank God (beings with intellect and will -- that's us). Thankfully, God gave us the way God prefers to be thanked (which we should do). That way of thanking God is full and active participation in the Mass every Sunday. All the evidence says so (and I can provide it -- thanks in part to Bishop Barron).
I left because I didn't find much knowledge in mass. I saw it as boring rituals that don't do anything for me to get closer to God. I would be interested if it did away with the rituals, focused on educating us on the bible. Teach us why Christianity is true instead of why the Catholic church must be followed. Throw in apologetics so we can understand objections to Christianity. Many people leave Christianity because they have no idea why its true. In the information age ideas and beliefs are tested. You can't ignore that just because its a faith or religion. There is no point in rituals and traditions if people will just leave Christianity when their faith is challenged. I learned more about Christianity when I stopped going to church researched online than I ever did during church by a huge margin. I still see many Catholics that don't know who God is. What the trinity is. Or that Jesus is God. If the Catholic Church doesn't get back to the roots of Christianity it will fall.
Alejandro, the common thread here is that you might be expecting too much from the mass. If you want to learn about the whys and wherefores of Catholicism you will need to turn to other materials that are far more in-depth than can be delivered during a 1 h mass.
No offense intended Bishop, but, although you have honed in on the essence of Jordan Peterson's success, I don't think many (probably few and perhaps none) of your brother Bishops are up to a similar task. Nor are they capable of promoting or stimulating a diocesan clergy up to the challenge either. What is it that most "Catholics" hear from their pastors at Mass each Sunday? These well meaning men are, for the most part, out of focus with Scripture and the spiritual dimension young and old seek. A river of imagined subjects, from social justice to neighborhood chatter are no substitute for effectively delving into the Living Word. And, if you couple this nonsensical pablum with a whatever-feels-good-liturgy-du-jour, the bleeding will get worse. It is the crisis of faith, from the top, that trickles down into the pews, and which IMO truly drives the other issues affecting the Church. Many of the old just hang out in the pews, having nowhere else to go. But the young..... well, they have the Jordan Peterson's and many others, who challenge them and feed them the right spiritual medicine. Good luck.
No offence intended *@ 666trambla*, you clean forgot the middle aged. And just make sure you are competent in looking after the needs of those entrusted to your care. Otherwise you may discover that they ended up in the Church pews or something like that.
I think the Church will fail to attract new members as long as its views on sex and reproduction remain the same. I know for me, as much as I love the Church, this is the thing that I keep coming back to where I just can't feel comfortable being a full-blown part of it. Notice that Bishop Barron avoids speaking openly and frankly about these teachings, because they are an instant turn-off many who might otherwise be interested. I know a lot of Catholics just disagree with these teachings and continue to be active Catholics anyway, but for me, I can't just ignore the stuff I don't like and pretend I'm still a Catholic. And the Catholics who think that the Church can just change its views on gays or gay marriage, to take just one example, aren't realizing that if it does that, it will have to completely overhaul its views on the family and sexuality. I think there are ways to do that while preserving Catholic values, not merely capitulating to the secular view on these things, but this is something that I don't really see anyone talking about.
YOU: I think there are ways to do that while preserving Catholic values, not merely capitulating to the secular view on these things. ME: It would be helpful then if you would explain how the Church should change its views on those subjects and still be CATHOLIC? I think the Church has gone as far as it needs to go in regards to gays and gay marriage, nothing more needs to be said. I will wait for your response before I say any more.
@@morelmaster I'm not a theologian, but I think there could be ways to acknowledge the sacredness of our human form without having all of it founded on the fact of reproduction. The Church already teaches that the function of sex is not *exclusively* for reproduction. Could that not be expanded to include those for whom reproduction is not possible for whatever reason, that even their sexual activity, if practiced in chastity, could also be god-centered even if it cannot ever end in reproduction? Could there not be another legitimate reason for the union of two people other than for reproduction?
@@ChiaraDBrown In the case of practicing homosexuals, Scripture explicitly condemns it. How can the Church twist Scripture to make that activity acceptable? The same goes for same sex marriage. The words of Scripture concerning these two issues do not leave any room for finding loop holes. If left up to intellect and reasoning by itself, man can usually justify anything, this is why we need to abide by God's laws to be fully human and live in real freedom, as God intended for us to be.
@@jacintowilliamson5597 You simply have a penchant for controversial Christian literature. In case your therapist has not been able to diagnose your case yet, you may convincingly give him the information.
@@jacintowilliamson5597 You did admit you are undergoing therapy. Please note seriously that the 4 Gospels are learned by millions with assistance. You just won't be able to understand them on your own for substantial reasons. This is an established fact.
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The dynamics of more people leaving religion collates to the moral degeneration of society. In which the individual comes before the many. And of course the nones as you call them are going to target religion. In the Western world it is Christianity which is targeted more specifically the Catholic Church being the largest of the Christian denominations. The issues with the scandals within the Church are mainly past occurrences but they are being brought to light by those who work against the Church. When scandal happens the reputation of the Church as a moral leader comes into question in which many leave the Church and Christianity in general further deteriorating the morality of society in a downward spiral. As for Protestants they would be hit harder because they are not the true faith in which many will see errors in their doctrines as they conform to this moral determination of society. Which is why more people left Protestant denominations over Catholics leaving the Catholic Church. It's all about cause and effect.
Ask any 20 year old would he rather listen to a man who sees the divine plan in Harry Potter or one attired in a dress discussing Aquinian doctrine, tough call😁😂🤗
I went down that road for two decades and ended up with a dead soul. Coming back to Christ and life, and very grateful to the Bishop for his direction.
Jacinto -- pantheism is an intellectual error. To move beyond the error, I can help you, or you can read online the Summa Conta Gentiles or Summa Theologica sections on demonstrating by reason God's existence.
I can't even make it through this. With all due respect, this perpetual analysis and cerebral wordplay is becoming infuriating. It's not rocket science, return to tradition, where the majesty of the mysteries is preeminent. It's not about figuring us out. It's about living in truth the beauty of authentic worship that will attract any soul that sincerely seeks truth. Sadly, I'm done watching this channel. I've done my best to give the benefit of the doubt, to listen and to be open to to a broader context that I might be missing. At this point I am convinced that there is no forum for an honest discussion about the mass of the ages. I'm absolutely done, in good conscience, with listening to this stuff. The "nones" will remain hopeless as long as the church remains worldly, and that's the point you guys just don't seem to grasp.
Brooke, I'm afraid you're not making any sense here. Like it or not, Catholicism is a smart tradition. From Augustine and Anselm to Thomas Aquinas and John Paul II, we've engaged in a serious, high-level analysis of both the culture and the faith. And what precisely do you find "worldly" about the conversation that Brandon and I were having?!
I must point out that your claim of the adoption of relativistic truth, and the rejection of objectivity by the youth is simply an assertion, and a strawman. As a former Catholic “Non”, I do not speak for anyone but myself, but I do not hold that truth is relative. My issue is not with objective truth from the church, but that they claim it in the first place. I could make a subjective claim, or even an incorrect one, and call it objective truth, but it doesn’t make it so. The way we determine whether the claim is true or not is by examining the evidence for the claim. Where does the evidence lead? Does it comport with reality? Does it have predictive power? This is where Theistic claims fail to compare with scientific claims. If it can be asserted without evidence, it can be rejected without evidence. To contribute to your statistics, my reason for leaving the church is also that I no longer believe due to the growing availability of information about the origins of the Bible, it’s inconsistency with reality, it’s internal contradictions, and the lack of evidence for the claim that God(s) exist(s).
Show of hands: people who found Bishop Barron *because* of Jordan Peterson? [Mine = Evolutionary Biologists on Twitter defending science of sex differences-->JBP-->Dave Rubin-->Bishop Barron]
Young people and old people turn against the church and decide they don't want to believe because it is their choice. That's it. And if they learned it from their mother and father that was their choice as well. I think you're looking too deeply into this. There's a passage somewhere in the Bible I believe and it speaks about wide is the road that everyone or most people take Straight to Hell and narrow is the path that will get us into heaven because it's much more difficult. This day and age everything is fast food instant gratification and fun fun fun and where is my happiness. That's what's going on and that's what is being taught in the school system as well. We need to start with children at an early age first with emotional intelligence and spiritual growth the teachings of Jesus Christ. There's a lot that is going wrong and has always been wrong in the world but again people choose to not believe in Hell or Heaven and God and Jesus and Mary because it is their choice. I come from a family of six children and I am not trying to say I am better but I am the only one who actually goes to church and is very scared and fearful and loving and loyal towards our God in heaven. I don't want to go to hell but even more I would like to go to heaven and be with her Lord Jesus Christ our heavenly father mother Mary and all of the good angels and Saints in heaven. I believe there is a hell and a devil. And I think that the devil has the reign of this Earth. Don't try to get into whether you should speak intellectually or psychological bring it all together speak the truth. The truth is what matters.
@@marypinakat8594 the truth doesn't mean you need to take a shovel and dig 20 ft into the soul. The truth can be right there in front of you. It can be as simple as a choice made by Tony or Jane or John or Penelope. God gave us a free will. And I don't think that changed because it's the year 2019. What's the Clash? Tell me what you mean by this is a Clash. Love to hear it.
@@marypinakat8594 I can give you one example. Like I said I come from a family of six children on the 4th born. All of us were raised by the same mother and father. My mother and father did not go to church on a consistent basis my mother was a convert from Protestant and lukewarm Catholic. She cared more about her looks and my fathers pleasures and keeping him happy. My dad was too busy working to go to church when we are children. However later in life he did start going to church and then he became serious about the Catholic teachings. My point is that my brothers and sisters and I all were exposed to the same parents and the same belief system of the Catholic Church. Why is it that I am the only one who truly believes in God and Jesus Christ and mother Mary and the Ten Commandments and heaven and hell? Why is it that my other brothers and sisters do not believe and they think it's silly or out-of-date and old-fashioned to believe in a man with a robe or they make fun of the Pope. Tell me that. Like I said God gave us a free will. God bless you and may God guide us all on this bumpy journey of Temptations and other difficult obstacles as we each carry our cross.
Brandon, how big is your ego? Why through this video series do you present yourself as big as or bigger than Bishop Barron. I/we tune into see the Bishop not you. It's okay you're on the screen, but you should be framing the Bishop better no matter how relaxed he is. God has been presented to me as a violent figure. Seeing the Bishop relaxed, speaking so strong, authentic is inspiring and changes that image.
@@freedomeagle1967 I don't think at Word On Fire anyone 'works' for another. While Word On Fire is Bishop Barron's own personal initiative, I have difficulty in believing that Brandon or anyone else is keeping a job with Bishop as though in a Corporate company or something. If anything they operate as a very commendable TEAM, a Team of gifted and anointed servants of God in the Church.
@@freedomeagle1967 I have always admired Brandon as he is an extremely smart and exceptionally gifted person. I don't see a trace of 'ego' in him being the Host of the programme here.
Bishop Barron opened my eyes to the intellectual aspect of the Faith and this is pure gold. Even the Bible talks of kings who were described as brilliant but were drawn to the preaching of apostles such as Paul, Phillip, etc. The Faith is not just a folktale, it is also logical and intellectual as well, which are attributes of the Holy Spirit.
God bless you, Bishop.
Jordan Peterson changed my life, maybe even saved it. Thanks to him i found my way back to holy mother church. I am happily waiting for your next podcast with him.
Same, here. JBP was a turning point in my life, he was sent by God
Maybe you would be better returning to the messanger🤔
That's awesome. Welcome back
@Surfdude12 1 what do you mean?
Raised Southern Baptist and chose baptism at age 11. Lived a secular life in my teens and early twenties. Felt unsatisfied with the limits of existentialism and began to wander spiritually. I started at Eastern Orthodox and now find myself getting ready to begin RCIA and become Catholic in my late twenties. I want to do everything I can as a layman to help the Church. Pray for the Church and my generation. Most people want answers.
Congratulations! Will pray for you. If you listen to Bishop Barron you're on the right track :)
@@mariab.774 Thanks! He's the reason I finally got around to reading Aquinas.
@Penvid I'm an R&D biotech researcher with a degree in horticultural physiology. Science and faith aren't mutually exclusive unless you don't understand actual Catholic theology.
Penvid
Oh really have you heard of Louis Pasteur or Gregor Mendel? Funny that both believe in the existence of God. Pasteur was a pioneer of virology and Mendel pioneered the Genetics inherited laws. Science cannot explain how World Wars were caused.
@@tr1084 I have some good books on PDF about conversions, quite interesting. If you want I can send you 2 or 3, if you write me an email.
Suppose you know Budziszewski, Edward Feser, Scott Hahn, Peter Kreeft etc
"Why do we have such a knee-jerk anti-intellectualism?"
That should go down as the question of the late-20th century Church. The Church's rich and robust intellectual tradition SHOULD BE her great strength in the modern world, but we seem to have tossed it out right when it was needed most. That was a grave miscalculation. Anti-intellectual youth formation programs may have kept high school kids coming to youth group in the short term, but that generation (mine) became the "nones" as soon as it was presented with competing intellectual traditions in university.
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Where are you?
@@BlindTom61 in the 16th century
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But aren't you looking for Protestants? Anyway before you change the route, since you must, put on that 'armour of love' and take the 'sword of the Spirit'.
Victor Ray as a person who has been in youth ministry for 10 years, I whole-heartedly agree. The church has such deep, rich teachings. We miss them in our usual youth programming which is often oriented toward those who are totally un-evangelized. We need to focus less on numbers and more on discipleship, and accompaniment of a few at a time.
@@BlindTom61
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Everything Bishop Barron said here is true! I used to be a NONE. Then I watched Bishop Barron's video on the Lord's Prayer, and I was so amazed. I thought him to be the most intelligent person ever. We were not taught those things in religion class. Please, if people still do this, don't teach religion class as "Be nice, be polite, and God loves you." Give us the intellectual stuff!
I'm 45 I left the church 30 years ago, I am now getting back into the church. I am now just discovering C.S. Lewis, G.K. Cheasterson, etc. If I had been introduced to these intellectuals early on growing up I might have never left. I needed an intellectual description of beliefs that I didn't know existed and was told by the secular world that religion offered no intellectual basis for belief.
I was washed up here by the Jordan Peterson wave.
My prideful search for truth in life lead me to him, and he lead me to the the idea of God.
Life is intense now, spiritual guidance is probably required...
You're coming the right place, there's plenty of Christians here and I'm not personally Catholic, but I don't recognize the divisions between denominations. We've got a one world religion and globalism at our heels and it's time to get it together because the devil is literally as a roaring lion as the scripture says and he's got a whole lot of workers, brainwashed in in his service.
All I could do is cry and laugh with joy during this show!! I agree so much everything expressed and the emphasis on intellectual engagement, how the evil one works and just the seriously casual brush off of the stupid and ridiculous. Magnificent !! 👏🏼👏🏼thank you Bishop Barron we all pray for you and Brandon too!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Try and show a bit more enthusiasm 🤗
Thank you Bishop Barron, it's a great experience listening to you defending the Church ALWAYS ...
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000 I would love to educate you on Barron's real position, Pistis. Care to debate?
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000
You have made a GRAND NEW entry here on Bishop Robert Barron's Channel. Whoever you think you are, your approach and language such as 'Barron', 'Benedict' (buddies?) seem to indicate that you belong to the clan of haters. *You are an accuser and divider in essence..* You have been found out already and are desperate now about saving your face and skin. The wiser thing for you is to save your time and go look in the mirror.
*Jesus Christ wouldn't propose any of his followers to resort to your kind of attitude and behaviour.*
Unfortunately for you, you are revealing yourself to be one of those 'strays' that intrude on the Channel. Make use of your two eyes since you maybe having them. *Read ALL that is surrounding the RUclips video, mind you there are lots of stuff, and check on yourself beginning with your 'ethics' to your 'credentials' to your 'goals'.*
You have well qualified to stay off this space. Don't prove you need further help.
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000 not a Reddit user, but thanks for the invite - peace be with you - if you care to debate here, you have my permission to forward my insights to the group
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000
Eh, what's this game up against a 'fallible MAN Robert Barron'? And if this is part of your understanding of 'intellectual dialogue', you better go into some hiding before you be made to feel embarrassed and perplexed about your own self.
What are you trying, if not trying to divide, by painting some picture of 'Benedict' and 'Barron' as opponents. As though you know either of them. Come on ...
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000
Where do you operate as 'volunteer' or 'employee'? You did provide that idea ...
Bishop Barron WISELY embraces truth wherever it is found - this is Catholic.
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000
You have been revealing amply well your own 'intentions' for your posts. You think others are motivated the way you do too. You don't even think there are the kinds out here who have their own brain. So much so the moment you spot one you attack *blindly.*
@Folk Aart
It's one thing when you may not 'believe' in a god. But when you can't stand the sight of wisdom in another's words there is a disease.
@Folk Aart
Your words don't show true connection.
You might even think of painting over someone's Name and change it. High wisdom.
@Folk Aart Love needs faith. It's also a sense of the soul. Don't be afraid of the truth, the power of believing. It's an awesome freedom from the inner bullshit lies, we tell ourselves sometimes are "facts". Thank you for sharing.
The devil is a scatterer, an accuser .....
Let us all stand TOGETHER and fight .....
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000
If it is said that Satan is an accuser that doesn't create satans of somebody who made an accusation as well. I don't think the question had to be posed.
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000
From your text, looks like you possess some false zest. You yourself have turned into an accuser ... "false gospel?"
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000
If you own the tendency to fear you must move along that path. I would be most unwilling to fear for the Church the way you do.
St. Michael the Archangel, pray for us!
Pistis Alethie this woman Mary has a quick draw when tradition is defended and promoted. I have left the new mass. When I pray the Holy rosary, I will pray Mary finds the narrow gate.
Thanks Brandon and Bishop Barron.
I love listening to your broadcasts and I am enjoying Bishop Barron's book, Catholicism: A Journey to the Heart of Faith (reading it out loud to my lovely wife). I want to say here that our universities, social media, television and Hollywood itself is fully prejudiced in a liberal leftist prejudice toward a post-modernist, feminist, and secular or "all inclusive" (except for white, male, Christian, Jewish, conservative viewpoints. In movies and in colleges there is cultivated an actual disdain and animosity to traditional religion, western civilization (including literature and music) and the fostering of incivility, arrogance as an ideal, and censorship ideas, especially ideas that are not disparaging but supportive of traditional morality and just discounting of simple truth and facts. I find this a break down in all the social norms pushed by a leftist orientation that dismisses and fights against all established norms and institutions and authority. This is why I love reading and listening to those like Bishop Barron and reading the prophetic works of C.S. Lewis, Malcolm Muggeridge and G.K. Chesterton who foresaw so much of the then progressing and forthcoming social malaise. They really saw the arising of the progressive justice insanity and what it would lead to; including Lewis' "men without chests." Jordan Peterson was a great aid to my seeing through my own "social justice" blinders (social justice most often being more akin to injustice and diversity more akin to shutting down diversity of perspectives).
Brandon, Bishop Barron, that's a good sign! The devil is smart and can immediately tell where his more threatening opponents are. If he's stirring up trying to cause division (his favorite weapon) that's a sign that you must be doing something well. I would be worried if all your endeavors were just smooth sailing. In Spanish we say a famous quote from Don Quixote: "Ladran, Sancho: señal que cabalgamos" (they're barking, Sancho: that's a sign that we're riding). Dogs don't bark when you're standing still. Onward, then! Count with my prayers.
Can't help saying that this 'barking' has become almost a 'trade mark' of some these days.
@@marypinakat8594 yup, that's right. Some like Bishop Barron blaze the trail, while others just sit on the sidelines and bark, more or less knowingly being a tool of Satan. It's happening to Pope Francis a lot too. Lots of barking in his unstoppable wake, lots and furious attempts at sowing discord and division. He too must be doing something well.
@@xaviervelascosuarez
Pope Francis is the worst victim of 'gossip' ever. Indeed, knowingly or unknowingly, too many have become 'tools' of satan.
Pope Francis will go down history as the Pope who has 'suffered' the most. I would think that the pain inflicted on him by those within the Church is worse than any other. He sure does posses a tenacity that can only be from Jesus.
Maybe up the wrong tree!
The art and skill of discussion and debate is disappearing from our culture. It seems as if personally held beliefs are held so tentatively that any statement or idea that does not utterly reinforce those ideas destabilizes the individual. (Actual cognitive dissonance, perhaps?) From my limited observations, this is happening because we now have multiple generations who have been indoctrinated in the ideas of subjective truth - this whole idea of "my truth" instead of "THE truth", and not understanding that "my 'truth'" is actually just my perspective, which is far removed from objective truth. Because their reality has been constructed around personal perspective, which will always be extremely limited and biased, as soon as a different perspective is introduced their reality begins to fall apart. Having your reality challenged or even begin to crumble is going to produce a strong emotional and psychological reaction, and the easiest way to protect yourself is to utterly reject (hate) anything that doesn't agree with you and to surround and insulate yourself with unchallenging ideas. Hence the echo chamber we hear so much about these days. Sadly, this is now so prevalent in western culture that "discussion" is defined as talking with people I agree with, and "debate" as hate speech.
@@drewmann856
Jesus cannot be defeated.
You explained that very well. It's an intimidating problem. i didn't know what I was sensing a number of years ago didn't know of the political clime, the far left neo communist movement, but I knew people online were creeping mne out and I kept saying they were like brain dead zombies.
Man of few words, I like that🤗
@@marypinakat8594 He can't be defeated, but Western civilization sure can. That was my point.
Wisdom, well put!!!
Stumbled upon Jordan Peterson’s RUclips’s before he became a phenomenon and was struck by how he seemed in many respects unknowingly quite ‘Catholic’. His focus on the value of biblical stories whether one was a believer or not and the care he took in trying to make sense of them was refreshing. Fascinated me to the point my husband wondered why I spent so many hours listening to Peterson. My husband started listening, as well as our 20 something son (independent of us/our interest). Peterson made points much like my former Phil prof, Gerry Campbell, from whom I learned more about Catholicism than my many, varied theology profs. I was challenged in my 20s, in Phil classes to question, to think, to form good questions and use logic. Can’t say I mastered those skills, but I recognized them again when I heard them. As families, as Church, as citizens of the world, we are becoming more able to speak the truth to each other without alienating, or hatred. Thank you for stepping out and engaging in reasonable, intelligent dialogue with so many varied personalities while maintaining your Catholic faith. May we all always be able to speak the truth in love.
Great!
Peterson was my gateway drug to Catholicism
Those of us who seek to know the truth at all costs, even at the cost of previously held beliefs/ideologies are open to rational, polite, discussion. We thirst for it. Some of us have come to believe/realize that there is objective truth and we even go so far as to say Truth is a person. His name is Jesus Christ. It is no small thing to profess this.
@@karenmuser
Lovely!
I'm a non denominational Christian myself and when I heard Peterson and saw his secular ministry take off, if you will, I marveled and thanked God for it over and over. I shared him w/ a lot of people. I never really knew how to talk to and reach atheists, because I've never been one, but he has and is no longer, and he sure does speak their language. I've seen huge long threads of hundreds a piece of atheists talking about God, the bible and amazed that they couldn't wait for his bible series to start. Many of them admitted they were crying or teary but didn't understand why. Amazing stuff. God raised up Peterson, no doubt of that in my mind.
I love the arena mentality. It's such a strength that we have all sorts of diverse people in our church. We have philosophical powerhouses. We have the emotional, we have scientists and poets. Regardless, if you feel you are a committed catholic, it is time to get into the arena. Seeing a person become a true disciple of Christ, seeing the Power of God transform a college student or an accountant or med student; some become religious and priests-- that is what keeps us going. We tend the garden of Christ, we plant the seeds, we water, maybe someone else waters, but we all rejoice when we see the growth in individuals as they become disciples of Christ. Our particular 'schtick' has been to form small scripture groups for daily prayer with obedience and self examination. There are as many approaches as there are members of the church. Seek first the kingdom.
This particular video yields rich substance for philosophical and ontological explorations. The very last part, bishop Baron’s reference to Jesus walking on water, is a most compelling meta metaphor. Holding this imagery alongside the imagery emerging from post-modern claims of self-invention and absolute relativism leads to the following: a picture of Man sinking rapidly in the depth of life’s ocean of unwelcome storms as an incarnate God calls on him to focus on Him versus a picture of Man dropped in the middle of life’s ocean of unwelcome storms as Derida and Fouceault yell victoriously: « Now you are free! Swim, oh Man!
Lévis du Canada
In the end, the man that focuses on Jesus is better off. He, because of his focus, has the hope of rescue. The other man? He will swim, until his arms get tired. Then he will sink.
"Ipso facto"
Every single video. ;)
Bishop Barron is basing his apologetics on Prof. Jordan Peterson? Can someone be so deliberately inane? Prof Peterson has many good things to say. Bishop Barron speaks magnificent Truths about the nature of God. Thank you, Bishop Barron. I teach CCD 5th grade at my parish and I listen to your podcasts and meditate on your daily homilies partly so that I can be a better catechist to my young charges. I am ever mindful that I bear a very serious responsibility in helping to orient my 10 year olds toward God.
Peterson's style of presentation and delivery reaches out and connects to the "nones". Bishop Barron is taking notice and seeing this as the best way to reach young people. You would be quite the fool to not use the most successful techniques to bring people to the faith.
@Collins Anosike Your prayer means a lot. Thank you. Please continue to pray for me and all catechists.
Bishop Baron speaks magnificent truths about the nature of himself😂
I have heard that one of the issues surrounding the NONES is the loss of the "mystical" sense of the Catholic faith has expressed when visiting a Catholic church. I don't know, but so many churches no longer exhibit beautiful art, statues or even a beautiful literurgy that makes one's mind and heart soar up to God, Jesus, the Blessed virgin. Following that thought I have heard that the "old" Latin Masses, where they are said have strong attendance, especially young folks, families, etc. Can you substantiate or investigate if any of this is true?? Thanks for all you are doing. I follow you every day on line from my home in Ct. Thank you.
I've heard other Catholic channels say it. Faith Goldy had a great interview w/ the author of Infiltration on her channel and his about it all. They are very against the reforms in the church.
Here is a video on that and the comments are extolling the old latin mass: ruclips.net/video/zQUjt0uZv-g/видео.html
@@saintejeannedarc9460 I've read his book. It is a quick read and very interesting. It appears that his facts are well researched. So there are reforms and not all reforms are necessarily good. My comments to Bishop Barron are my own and are informed by my family's and friends comments over the years that followed V.C.II. It is also very obvious by just visiting Catholic Churches around the country as I have done.
I enjoy Bishop Barron and also Sheen and Mother Angelcia. I'm beginning to realize the devil is not all that smart, however he has many tools, money, sex, power, etc,. whereas God has one, Love. Once I realized that it is not so hard to stay with God.
Please don't associate Bishop Sheen and Mother Angelica with this snake Barron. Both Sheen and M Angelica were saintly, faithful and sincere Catholics, Barron is a cunning heretic, unfortunately he's also intelligent and charismatic that's why he can fool so many people.
@@SmithsnMoz tx brother, I'm just disappointed in the Church this days.
Absolutely correct. In Canada....the prevailing concept is that disagreement is hate speech makes us stifle conversation. Could be the goal?
Totally agree, I come across it all the time in school and with young family members...tough stuff.
Tell them to grow up and stop being manipulalting shmucks and keep talking.
I'm an atheist who is fairly engaged with religious people, and very engaged online. I'm interested: How can we learn about objective truth without something approximating scientific processes? I am raising my small children, the way they learn about the objective world seems to closely resemble scientific processes. The exception is when learning about people, they learn about people also by mirroring them.
We love you bishop Barron. We are greatful to God for your vocation and specially your great gift to the church!
Well said, thank you! Thanks be to God!💒⚓😊
We should build back up the monastic orders.
Some of them are really flourishing, esp. Benedictines in the U.S. (Benedictines of Mary, Abbey of Regina Laudis), Dominican nuns, Carmelites......there's good work going on here!
Must be thousands of kids waiting in the wings to get their monk suits🤗
True that.
Theology of the Body is an incredible topic for evangelization. Romantic love, dating, sex. It’s on all young people’s minds and it offers a solution to problems that all young people are experiencing, especially women. Women are hurting and TOB is a solution, a totally different view of dating/love/marriage that our society has offered. We are more and more recognizing that the popular views are not working and we need a new way. I believe TOB at least plays a large role in that. It’s the greatest love story of all time.
Intellectuals are needed because they can dissect reasons into pieces of understandable logic. No dumb person can do that. However, the kind of intellectuals we need are those that are not arrogant and condescending; who think of themselves as privileged and knowledgable. We need compassionate, humble, and loving intellectuals.
Exactly why we need intellectuals like Thomas Aquinas and in secular philosophy; Jordan Peterson. It’s easy to prove why God exists, and point out some high-level meanings to existence, Dr Peterson is brilliant at this and has pulled many people away from atheism
Fpk Hk416 then prove god exists. Until you do that, this study is the final nail in the coffin of atheism for me: www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-prayer-prescription/
In matters of faith, the gospel and doctrine has to be communicated indirectly. if we do it directly, and especially with the millennials, it gives. Them the option to reject it immediately. Which is what most do. It has been said by many theologians that when it comes to appropriating deep, life changing truths, it is most often done in a state of suffering. So timing and method of communication are key in addressing the “nones” problem
Jordan Peterson - a definite Sign of Hope for our times!
@DrEustace Mullins
He can be a Jew but definitely not antichrist or antichristian. Leaving all that aside, what if we respect him for his awesome humanness? Definitely we won't lose anything. On the contrary we might discover our own humanity enriched. Thank you.
DrEustace Mullins Jesus has a Jewish Heritage
I don’t think he’d share your sentiment
Take the beam from your own eyes and turn your other cheek !
Once you see video from 1963 of doctors stating that the wound to the forehead was an entry wound, which makes sense since Jackie climbed on the trunk to recover his brains which were sliding onto the street, the idea of Oswald being the sole assasin forever passes into fiction.
I really want to become a Catholic but I am too introverted and don't know if I can handle it
Patrick Tracy going from a Protestant church to the Catholic Church, I found it incredibly comforting if you’re usually more introverted. Catholicism greatly encourages gathering but also quiet/ meditative prayer. Whichever parish you go to I’ve always found people to be very welcoming with no expectation of putting on a display. I’ll pray that God guides you to where you need to be, but don’t worry, you’re in great hands in the holy Catholic Church. God bless
Dear friend, do not be afraid. That is nonsense. God loves introverted people too, He created You. You don't have to change your personality to be nearer to God. He knows You more than You know yourself. Only thing you can do to be close to God is to live in Truth. Seek Truth, love truth, live truth! Please, do not bother with nonsense. You have your place in God's heart! Be courageous and go find Eternal God! May God bless You brother
@Patrick Tracy I can't see any reason why is difficult for an introvert to become Catholic
Really? Catholicism was tailor-made for introverts.
I'm very introverted and becoming Catholic. It's been a great experience. The parish has been gentle and loving. I encourage quiet, meditative prayers like the Rosary.
By far, most kids in our parish attend public school, while most of the resources go to those who attend Catholic school. The mis-match is staggering. Maybe we should focus on good catechesis for ALL young people.
Thank you Bishop Barron. One of the specifics which I feel may engage nones are some of the events which have showed that the Good Lord is in charge. Examples are what made the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe; what are the miracles of the Eucharist that have become apparent throughout the world? Our Lady's many visits which are well documented and even shown on some of the computer programs. What about the visitation to Heaven hell and purgatory by many of the Saints etc etc. People like Padre Pio, just to name a few. May the peace love and blessing of the Holy Spirit be with your mission, always.
The reason Jordan Peterson has a huge audience is because he makes religion rational exactly what a mind in freedom seeks!
Exactly, but if you see our faith as little more then a set of myths you aren't Christian.
@@zayan6284 Maybe it's your myth that I'm not?
There definitely are more signs of HOPE than despair.
@@row1landr
Indeed interesting. Why only these three? There are many that are doing similar works. In my opinion none of them are of much worth. Regrets.
@@marypinakat8594 I agree with you
Bishop Barron, I think perhaps you are not giving enough credit to intelligent people regarding skepticism of the truth claims of the Catholic Church. I think part of the issue is not so much that honest seekers in the "nones" category desire to wantonly pursue the cult of individualism, boldly eschewing any objective claims of truth by the CC. (That may be true for some.) Rather, I think at least for genuine seekers who have done their homework, they find that the truth claims of the CC do not hold up to close scrutiny.
Catholic apologists often make their case as a cumulative one based on an assortment of carefully chosen circumstantial evidence. That cumulative case works in reverse, as well. The all-too-human story behind the bible's creation, the old testament divinely-ordered genocides, the misogyny of the Church fathers, the hiddenness of god, the *anti-science history of the Church, it all adds up. In a world where people can openly and easily research claims on their own, is it a wonder that nones are leaving?
I watched your video on old testament violence, such as divinely ordered Genocide, where you say we need to read it metaphorically through the lens of Jesus. You sidestep the issue by jumping to metaphor (putting the "ban" on the evil inside you or some such). You never actually grapple with the reality that God ordered genocide. If you want to get the "nones" back you'll have to give a much better answer.
* I realize the CC has a better history of embracing science than almost any other denomination, but it is not enough. Don't believe me? Here is some astonishing evidence from a 1941 Bible that I have, the Douay Bible, with the Encyclical Letter in the preface by Pope Leo XIII, where he essentially urges Catholics to be science deniers. Here is a direct quote from Pope Leo, essentially urging Catholics to disbelieve any science that contradicts the Catholic Church's teaching. Shameful.
Resolution of apparent contradiction - “If dissension should arise between them, here is the rule also laid down by St. Augustine, for the theologian: ‘Whatever they can really demonstrate to be true of physical nature, we must show to be capable of reconciliation with our Scriptures; and whatever they assert in their treatises which is contrary to these Scriptures of ours, that is to Catholic faith, we must either prove it as well as we can to be entirely false, or at all events we must, without the smallest hesitation, believe it to be so.’”[De Gen. ad litt., i., 21, 41]
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Here's a good answer BTS. God can kill whoever he wants and it isn't murder, since God is our maker. Thomas Aquinas proves by reason that God is always good, so when God kills, God's reasons are good. Don't forget -- God kills in the New Testament as well. Murder is taking, with no rightful authority, the life of a person - which is why human beings cannot normally kill other human beings (the bottom line). I guarantee the the CC teaching holds up to scrutiny and would love to debate (in a friendly way).
Hi Bishop Baron. I’ve watched your videos with Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson and I’m blown away by your intellectual approach to faith and i was wondering if you have anything for someone who is interesting in making the transition into faith. I’m not completely sold and there are a lot of things I would like to learn. I just don’t know where to start and I know the priests in my area aren’t welcoming to intellectual criticism - but I know the modern critiques levelled at Christianity have been addressed. So how would you recommend I take my first step? I would love to rejoin the culture of my ancestors.
Thank you.
God bless you, Vince! You might begin with my book, "Catholicism: A Journey to the Heart of the Faith." If you have follow-up questions, send an email to our team at Word on Fire and they'd love to help you: contact@wordonfire.org
😇😇😇the prayers are the real motor for the people at world!
Fr. Robert Spitzer is brilliant. He gives scientific evidence for the existence of God at his 'Credible Catholic' site. This info needs to get out there!
The meaning of life is obedience to Christ. The meaning of life is NOT:
1. To be happy
2. To find your dream job
3. To find "true love"
4. To possess wisdom
5. Whatever you want it to be
6. Anything but Jesus Christ
Aren't some of those things a part of obeying Christ?
@@ethanf.237 no.
That's the problem with society.
Obeying Christ is not about me me me and all of those listed human desires are.
@@Kitiwake Notice my emphasis on SOME of those things. Not ALL of those things. So, by your logic, Christ doesn't want us to better ourselves and gain wisdom? Christ doesn't want us to find true happiness through him? Wasn't that the point of his mission? Sorry, but that's not the Jesus I know and worship.
Wonderful joy laden doctrine to teach and cheer your new converts with😁 Why would the bones possibly wish to leave😂
Thanks for your insights Bishop Barron. I ask if you could spend some time to explore a course in miracles? I was raised catholic, then adopted a secular viewpoint after training and working in the sciences. But, it is quantum physics that depletes reductionist logic and points to a vital source to explain the unknowable. Hence, I began seeking again in my early 40’s, studying new age spirituality, attending mass and reading the New Testament. But, I came to a full stop upon Revelations; so strange. However, I’ve found great comfort in my study of ACIM and i can’t find any inconsistencies per Christ’s messaging. Church tradition notwithstanding, ACIM seems in perfect alignment with a Christian life.
@18:27 Brandon refers to the repeated references to the truth about the relationship between faith and science. I think that our world needs the repeated references: for one, a first-time listener might be in the audience and for another, lessons are learnt through repetition. I wouldn't balk at repeating. Good work!
Faith and science are incompatible. Citation: www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-prayer-prescription/
Its incoherent that when one makes a metaphysical claim (with reasons), people assume that one is being judgmental. They are also being judgmental because they are assuming the claim that judging is wrong (with not reasoning). SMH
@@TheLeonhamm I agree. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of calling someone judgmental. Today's society has many illogical and incoherent assumptions. I did not understand what you meant with the "limitations in our free will". I am not sure what you are referring to.
@@TheLeonhamm I see. I just consider truth to be in a higher order than will. because, our will or freedom can lead to things like murder. Truth(cant really define) directs our will towards the good. Truth cannot go wrong and the will can. I would avoid arguing from a will perspective because of that. but I do understand what you mean about our limited will.
I am one of these "nones".
I do agree that there is such a thing as objective morality. I do think there is a proper way to live life in order to bring about the most good (minimize useless/unnecessary suffering). But I believe this because I have tested it against reality. I have tried living a self-indulgent, lazy, undisciplined, ungrateful life, and all it did was cause harm. When I started focusing on being virtuous, things just came together. I don't pursue virtue because some faith tells me to; I do it because it actually makes the world a better place, and makes me feel fulfilled. And I do not believe that I need to be part of a religious institution in order to live this way.
The spiritual aspect of the faith. Let it be done to me. They will not mine. They want to know why it's important to them.
"If someone was claiming there was a colony of penguins living on Jupiter, I'd just write them off as a lunatic". What if billions of people believed that? What if most of humanity lived their lives and made important decisions based on this 'fact'? Would you just write them all off as lunatics? Or would you engage them in an effort to improve their lives and your own?
But what if there was people who even though there was saints who have many miracles to their name, that science cannot expain dont believe the evidence because it doesnt suit their view on life. How do you help them, without of course sounding patronising.
@@aine7173 I don't think your comment has much do to with mine, but I'll consider it for a moment. I think your question is "What if someone does not accept the personal experiences of others as evidence?" I should mention that saying someone rejects evidence because "it doesn't suit their view on life", is, indeed, patronizing unless such a person is making it clear that is why the evidence is rejected. I've personally experienced many things that even I do not believe. We know that humans are incredibly fallible, and that physical evidence often contradicts personal testimony. Does that mean miracles did not happen? No. But nearly half of Americans believe aliens have visited Earth, and almost 20% that they have been abducted. Should I believe them? Mormons have well-established miracles: africawest.lds.org/five-miracles-in-the-history-of-mormonism Should I believe in those? Why not? The Buddha has many miracles attributed to him: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracles_of_Gautama_Buddha We need to work on perspectives we can hold in common. If I make claims that can't be held in common by those that do not share my culture and general set of experiences, how can I expect them to accept those claims as "evidence"?
@@gfxpimp thank you for considering it for a moment. A moments thought is indeed what was put into the reply. Suggesting people of religion are like people who believe penguin are wherever or alien abductions etc really tells us all we need to know. Explaining the love of God to some is like explaing "gravity to a chicken".
@@aine7173 Since we don't know what gravity is: starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question30.html your analogy is quite apt.
Exactly. Stop dumbing down the faith!
That and treat the sex abuse crisis with the same tenacity Jesus did when people were using his Fathers house for personal gain. Even as a practicing Catholic, is feels like the Church would rather not deal with it even worse, eat away with it.
Certainly you commented without hearing Bishop Barron here in the video.
All those who still harp on the 'sex abuse scandal' in the Comments section here ought to be brain damaged.
@@Tyrannosaurus_5000
CHECK YOURSELF UP.
@@marypinakat8594 those annoying victims of these predators should shut up, right. So you can enjoy your "intellectual ", superior ... and sterile debate with you leader this snake Barron. You're full of poison, and your "saint", Barron is heretic, a smart one , I give him that.
From the time I was a very young man I could tell that the priest spoke a different language from the pulpit. Most times I would get to the end of the homily and not know what the priest had just said. He uses words that are never used in common parlance.
This is still true today. I go to mass for many reasons but listening to the priest for wisdom isn't one of them. Sometimes I get kind of mad at the priest when I think 'you've gathered everyone in the room like this, and then you talk to them like that?'
It seems like we've relegated the evangelization task to just a few people, and they're not doing it very well.
Then a guy like Peterson comes along and reaches people we can't even dream of reaching, and illustrates that it can be done. Yet we still cling to the formula that doesn't work.
I found my faith by rhinking carefully about the nonsensical case that Dawkins and company were proposing. Their acolytes were exceptionally obnoxious and aggressive in advancing their arguments, and I developed the ability to stand firm in the face of it and be just as aggressive in dismantling their arguments. I stopped demuring.
It did wonders for my own faith, but has largely left me socially isolated, and there is the conundrum. The main current of Canadian society is literally in opposition to the Church.
@TofeldianSage Suppose not only Canada, but the whole Western world. Thank God we have Bishop Barron. And also, there is hope for Canadians: Jordan Peterson is from your country
Peterson seems to have spent a good portion of his life seeking truth. Those of us who seek to know the truth at all costs, even at the cost of discarding previously held beliefs/ideologies are open to rational, polite, discussion. We thirst for it. Some of us have come to believe/realize that there is objective truth and we even go so far as to say that Truth is a person and His name is Jesus Christ. It is no small thing to profess this. Peterson is aware of what professing this might mean. He has made terms such as virtue, truth, sacrifice, responsibility, logos mainstream and has, from his own sort of ‘none’ stance attracted nones and believers too to consider biblical stories/archetypes relevant, important, even. Plus, he seems to genuinely care, to encourage truth-seeking, to help others choose to live meaningful lives. He, like any human being, does not have all the answers, but there is value and much to learn from him. A Catholic response to him and Bishop Barron’s response is logical and needed. Thank you.
Shouldn't The Bishop have spent longer🤔
Just a thought:
Catholics leaving in droves especially the young, needs a new fresh speaker, huge numbers attracted to Jordan Peterson particularly the youth, wonder why he isn't a Catholic, just a thought 🤔
Thank you.
I disagree with the framing of either intellectual or reaching out. We gotta do both. This is literally about saving souls. We have to do better
Big call to say you can save a soul, big call
A priest explained to me that the salvific mission is analogous to scoring in like soccer. You need the whole team to score, but a single person can fumble the ball
you say faith brings you piece but that is fucking funny because you aren't at peace at all. Go to hell.....you are exactly why people leave the church......fear. Fear is the reason why people leave the church and if you cannot fucking see that.....then maybe you don't deserve to even go to heaven yourself.
Peter + long robe = SINK
Peter + long robe + Jesus = WALK
@Collins Anosike
I can't remember that. I think sometimes misreadings/misinterpretations do happen. Has happened to me too. Maybe we are all in a hurry at times (ha ha).
Thanks for the thought. God bless!
I was baptized in the catholic church, i went through the first communion and through confirmation, but never learned anything. Thats cause i was forced to go and to be rebellious i never payed attention. Now im 27 way more mature and interested in learning. I was going for the king james bible but heard it was of protestant teaching. What bible do the Catholics use?
Peterson is making religion credible again.
He is incredible🤗🤗🤗
It's not just that people are opposed to the idea of there being these objective, god-given morals and truths, it's that the church, which consists of fallible human beings, are claiming to know them, and speak about them on God's behalf. When a priest or bishop tells you how to live your life, it just seems like they're trying to control you. Them, as humans. Not God. Even if you believe in objective, theistic morality, it's hard to trust that the Catholic church are the ones to deliver it. Especially these days with all the molesting priests and more importantly the organization's attempts to cover it up. You might disagree, but that's how most young people see it. If religion ever makes a resurgence, I think (and hope) it will be on a more individual, rather than organized, basis. What gives any human being more authority than another to decide what God thinks?
I am waiting for a different hope like when Bishop notice that most of priest do not care about children catehesis ( I volunteered for several years) 0 interest from all 3 priests in my parish even though all of them seem to like me. I estimate at least 80% of students will fall off in college and they will be the NONES. I talked to other catehists same neglect only yearly whining by deacons that we need volunteer catehists. Priest seem to care about old ladies why ? I do not want sin by accusation.
You all should listen to Alan Watts lectures about Christianity here on RUclips...
You can never go wrong with Alan Watts! :)
Brandon - give us some insight on the books hanging from your ceiling... :)
I like them! I especially like the map of Middle Earth behind you! Melon!😁
Brandon Vogt is an accomplished Author. Check up Google.
Well will be nones
Also please check out Carl Jung and his psychology...shadow work...
In his podcast with Jordan Peterson Bishop Barron made reference to Jung a few times. He does have knowledge of his works.
As the cardinals and bishops invite the perverse and evil of mortal sin among themselves, you actually cause the confusion in our youth. We ended the pagan confusion about sexual perversion centuries ago. As you refuse to profess the doctrine, you are to blame for worldly influences now tearing at the Church
Accuser? Did someone hand the keys of hell to you?
I would love to hear Bishop Barron in conversation with John Butler...
You can listen to John at spiritual unfoldment with John Butler channel on RUclips.
Ironflag Tim who is George peterson
I'm pretty sure there really is a colony of penguins on Jupiter.
(Amen & thanksgiving for your grace-filled point of stopping the splintering in the fighting. We all must avoid this, or be led back into the boat by Jesus Christ after the waves of discord cause us to fail and start sinking.)
People like Fr. Spitzer make inroads to the 'nones' who show a hungry heart just by asking basic questions regarding inner happiness in relation to how earthly things, including relationships and the effect of placing to much trust in transitory things & experiences, always end up with lack of fulfillment. And gently leading toward asking to ponder wouldn't a higher purpose for fulfillment have someone higher than us as the source of desiring things like perfect justice?
Might I make a recommendation? Mathematics and physics and physics point toward 'invisible' planes of existence. With much creativity, this can be related to the 'hard problem' of consciousness, the difficulties in explaining how God - All-Powerful, All-Knowing, and All-Seeing allowed free will to manifest so much unearned suffering - especially for the helpless like children; and why Jesus Christ Ascended into Heaven. Since we all have a limited time here, we can relate this to credible 2 or three witnesses verifying that some who experience Near Death with no brain waves know of objects and conversations far from the room which they happen to be. We could ask the question, do you see that we could exist in a temporary plane of existence; whereby our free willed decisions have lasting consequences?
Neil deGrasse Tyson a famous atheist once speculated that (two Euclidean zero-dimensional points describe a one-dimensional line); (three zero-dimensional points not on the same line describe a two-dimensional plane); (four zero-dimensional points with not in the same plan describe a three-dimensional object with width, depth, and height); and with the dimension of 'time' we exist in this dimension. Then he added that maybe along the same lines there are other dimensions or planes of existence that could; like we are higher than say chimpanzees with DNA differences; maybe other beings from other dimensions are much higher in intelligence than us, observing us & influencing our reality. Michio Kaku once conveyed that reliable quantum theory shows that for something to exist, it must be observed by the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle where fundamental particles behave also as a 'wave' or harmonic.
Why wouldn't, instead of these theories that offer no reason for the seeming chaos of the harsh realities of unearned suffering except happenstance; reveal God's existence in The Form of a Man, not in form only to set an example for us, for consolation, Grace, and strength to endure the slings & arrows of outrageous fortune and the heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks to which flesh is heir (paraphrase Shakespeare)? Couldn't from outside of Creation & time as we know it, God constantly be helping everyone to strive to exist with the same objective harmonious reality God exists? And couldn't this be a 'Schrodinger's Cat Experiment,' or Star Trek 'Holo-deck' on God's Inexhaustible Limitless Power Scale? And the reality those who choose not to be molded for Heaven, be a forever animated dead existence in an imaginary plane where all the desires contrary to God's perfect harmony are never again allowed to manifest? A type of prison, where the dead existing in an imaginary plane of existence suffer from never being allowed to manifest those harmful desires, 'angry' at God in rebellion, forever? Couldn't all of Salvation history, recorded in The Holy Bible, only partly as direct Revelation, partly as humankind's concepts of God, even at times using God's name, claiming God said to do this or that that the Early Church Fathers already settled that we can only view those things through the lens of Christ; and all of history to the end of time; telling each generation & each person responsible for their actions according to how well formed their conscience is in their particular logistical history; in each person's life experience how they are a vehicle of how God separated Light from Darkness? We, limited beings, only have a limited view 'inside' this living 'story' or 'play' epic historical drama.
I'm quite sure, in a more creative rules of the language arts logical philosophical discipline way, these speculations could find audiences of persons in the image and likeness of God, naturally seeking purpose with a hungry heart; wrestlers by nature; even if anesthetized by the distractions of life without a deeper relationship with God. Peace.
The infighting and religious one upmanship needs to stop between protestants and Catholics as well.
Every human has the right to question everything, hence freewill! Have you considered your truth may not be true? But that would make you like the rest of us doubtful! God forbid that you would have to share that ignominy 🤔
Yes, but the error has no right.
@@amycardill4897 So then the human quest for truth has finished here, how marvellous that the other 5 billion missed this and the receivers of it are leaving in droves🤔
"your" truth -- do you think, Demot, that truth is objective or subjective? It's a significant intellectual error to think people have their own truth, and I can prove that.
@@angelicdoctor8016 You apparently find your statement true🤔
@@dermotoneill9868 and that's because it's objectively true -->2+2=4 for everybody all the time
What are Dr. Jordan Peterson’s religious beliefs? Stanislav Kozubenko: (I will be basing this answer on a few hundred hours of his university lectures, Bible talks, and his other various appearances. He discusses religion/mythology very extensively, albeit cryptically. So it’s hard to assign him an easy label, especially since he has a tendency to dance around these kinds of questions. Also, please note: I can't look into his heart and inner beliefs; I can only analyze what he has said publicly).
A common mistake is to label Dr. Peterson a Christian. While it’s true the professor has claimed to be a Christian, he should not have done so, as he doesn't subscribe to any of Christianity’s orthodox truth claims (Personal God, Deity of Christ, among most others). Neither is he correct in describing himself as “deeply religious”, since, again, the way he uses the term is vastly different to the way pretty much everyone else uses it.
However, it’s totally understandable why people, who have only surface knowledge of his beliefs, take him at his word. The professor is very well-versed in the Bible, and discusses its stories quite a bit, much like a Christian preacher would. Unlike most classic believers though, he does not believe in a divine inspiration of the text. Rather, he likes to call them a collection of “meta-stories” - ancient stories that evolved over thousands of years by combining the distilled truth out of hundreds of smaller stories until they were finally written down in their final form. Put another way, the Bible, and mythology in general, are the meta-stories that have been “dreamed up” by humanity’s collective unconscious (which is powered in large part by our biology). If you haven’t guessed it yet…
yes, Peterson has been heavily influenced by Carl Jung ;)
One can totally ignore or redefine the supernatural when interpreting religious writings this way. And for the most part, that’s exactly what Peterson does. We can see this in action in how he interprets the Cain & Abel story. To Peterson, it is not a personal-monotheistic-divine Being that is displeased with Cain’s sacrifice… God is something more abstract, a combination of forces that act upon the individual in various forms: community, biology, the evolved unconscious mind, and the like. Instead of giving us historical truth, the story gives us a timeless archetype: Cain; a man that is unable to climb up the social hierarchy, poisoned by self-pity to malevolence, finally lashing out at the community in a murderous frenzy. A high school shooting is an example of the Cain & Abel meta-story playing itself out.
On a side note: yes, it's true that interpreting the Bible allegorically/symbolically is extremely common within Christianity. But while some liberal Christians reject the literal completely, even then most of them still posit that there is knowledge to be gained about the nature of God through the book's study. The professor, on the other hand, purposefully holds to an agnostic position regarding divine inspiration of the Biblical stories (or again, even the existence of God). This is not an inconsequential difference, especially when we consider the fact that Jews, Christians, and Muslims have all, quite often, been referred to as “People of the Book".
So religion has given us many good stories that teach us how society functions and the best way for us to function within it. Does Peterson go any farther than this? It doesn't seem so… or if he does, then not much farther. The doctor doesn't hold any concrete views on the existence of a soul/spirit, claiming we can’t know for sure until we understand more about consciousness. Heaven and hell are merely modes of reality that we live through here and now. His answer to whether or not God exists was: “I act as if God exists”, purposefully being vague as he “doesn't like being boxed in”. His usual dance around the question involves him going into a discussion on how if someone truly “believed" in something, one would align their life totally with it and consistently act it out. Since he is still imperfect, he “would not dare" make such a claim. Ofcourse, since this definition of belief is different to the typical one, he avoids answering whether or not God exists objectively, outside of his psychology/behavior.
EDIT:
More recently, Dr. Peterson, in a debate with Sam Harris, implied that it’s very likely that there is some sort of metaphysical reality that religion has been grappling with, attempting to explain and make sense of. He compared it to Astrology and Alchemy - in the sense of them being flawed precursors to Astronomy and Chemistry. It’s hard to pinpoint what exactly he means by “metaphysical” though. While it does seem like his views have slightly shifted in various ways since I first wrote the post, his approach to religion remains primarily pragmatic. True, Jordan Peterson does have elements of mysticism in his worldview, but he is not religious…at least not in any traditional sense of the word (or at least not publicly).
In the end, it is much more accurate to simply label him an agnostic. Granted: an agnostic that sees value in the utility of religion, due to a deep understanding of the psychological ideas that religion encompasses within.
And yet, at the end of the day, roughly speaking, he’s just an agnostic.
DrEustace Mullins Utter nonsense!
Does not human have tendency and weakness to find or make idols in their life, always look for someone, anyone including themselves or something, anything other than God to rely their lives upon. We may cringe when we read the Israelites made a golden calf to worship but indeed it is still happening, not the golden calf but different forms that seem to be relevant to the time and era. Not to be surprised then if there have been even religious idols. If the evil could use and twist the verses from the Scripture to launch his attacks, nothing else he couldn't use as a trick. God has been wanting his people to know Him, not as an abstract idea or concept, but as God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the Father of Jesus Christ. Unless we have detachments we cannot truly worship God. As always the most powerful spiritual weapon is pray.
Faith is indeed a cop out when there is no evidence/proof ..
It is irrational. There is no reasoning given by these 2 chaps..
It’s never a question of “no evidence.” If you think that, you’ve misunderstood what we mean by “faith.”
Evolution is probably a lot to blame for people leaving - or at least, when people talk about "faith and science," it usually is about evolution. Of the ex-Catholics I've met, a big reason they left was evolution. Not even reconciling it with Genesis, but dealing with the philosophical issues it causes. Groups like the Kolbe Center are great.
Also please read stuff by Teilhard de Chardin..
Religions only hope is no different then it’s ever been. Science must squashed in anyway available, through the political arena or whatever, science is religions #1 enemy.
For all politicians dressed in Catholic garb, you will loose.
I hate to keep picking at this, but I don’t find Peterson to be an intellectual. He’s portrayed in such light, but he’s sort of an avatar for white-victimhood, for PC culture- aka “treating people with respect”- and the assertion of men’s dominance in the face of women asserting their equality. That’s why he appeals to a certain base and is controversial. I get that you’re attracted to his use of the Bible as a means for discussion or morality, but, as a parishioner in your region, I’m not on board with the Peterson agenda. And I’ll be happy to discuss this with you the next time you visit our parish, but I really don’t see us gaining much ground with the nones by invoking Peterson. God bless 🙏🏼
Jose Rodriguez What’s your own bias ?
You don't think Dr. Peterson, the University of Toronto professor, is intellectual --- BWAH!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!
I love how the ultra religious keep coming up with reasons to get the NONES back into religious practices / churches etc. You are so tone deaf. How can you even cite JP as a great tool that can influence us the millennials? Millennials are mostly now Nones / agnostic/ atheists / secular humanists. People are leaving the church/ organised religion in general because it’s the 21st century. It’s nealy 2022. We have grown up in a period of technological advancements (The Internet). The internet has been the game changer for me personally. There is so much information, research that is a click away on my Iphone. We have been much more exposed to other cultures from around the world. If I want to learn about Islam, just a click away on RUclips and 1000’s of debate and lecture about Islam are available to me. If I want to learn about hinduism, Buddhism, other forms of Christianity, atheism, Spiritualism, Science etc, all I have to do is open my smart phone and search the internet.
This is why my generation (Millennials) are deserting the establishment religions and political norms in droves. We want change that reflects our own 21st century values. Telling me that the creator of the universe impregnated a virgin 13 year old Mary and then was born, walked the earth, sacrificed itself for humans wrongdoings etc. And that 1+1+1 = 1 (Trinity). Sorry but some of our cognitive dissonance can’t stoop to such levels the year 2021 where the majority of us have at least reached college /university level of education.
And it’s even getting worse with Gen Z, those that were in the 1990’s -2000’s. They are at about 70% religiously unaffiliated. I am in my 30’s and hope my children are going to be even less religious and focus more on secular humanism, logic, skepticism, rationality and reasoning etc.. 🙏😊
Hmm....I'd be interesting to know what Barron means by"religion", since he keeps bringing it up.Our Saviour NEVER invited anyone to religion or anyone's-"ism". He invited us to HIMSELF....😎😎😎
That's too simplistic. If you know about Jesus, it's because of "religion" in some sense. He was brought to you by churches, preachers, teachers, the Bible itself, etc., all of which are products of some sort of organized religion.
@@BishopBarron Sorry Barron, but that canned answer is meaningless. Almighty God engaged His original people via COVENANT, not religion, a word not even found in the Torah/Tanakh.As you yourself should know religion can be anything human beings concoct it to be; Roman Catholicism is a religious system/institution erected around the Person of Jesus the Christ, but as I said earlier, Our Saviour NEVER invited us to any religion (A word not found on HIS lips, either) but to enter into Covenant with Himself; even a cursory reading of the New Testament will show that. I daresay that if the Roman Catholic Church's predatory child-abusing priests had been in a real relationship with Jesus the Christ instead going through their endless, repetitious rites,rituals, and ceremonies, it's unlikely that the thought or desire to engage in sex with minors would have entered their minds After all, these men are designated "Altus Christus", but what are the odds The Saviour abused children? I await your reply...🤨🤨🤨
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L C Ringo Just as you can’t know me apart from my body, so Christ can’t be known apart from his mystical body, the Church. Tell me how you came to know Jesus, and I will gladly tell you how the Church, in some sense, mediated that experience.
I agree with Bishop Barron, L C Ringo. Let me add this: religion is a habit of justice. Justice is giving others what they are owed according to their nature. With religion, we give God what God is owed. What is God owed? Basically a giant THANK YOU from all beings who are able to thank God (beings with intellect and will -- that's us). Thankfully, God gave us the way God prefers to be thanked (which we should do). That way of thanking God is full and active participation in the Mass every Sunday. All the evidence says so (and I can provide it -- thanks in part to Bishop Barron).
Culture of self invention is about 500 years old. :) Best to address it at the source.
I left because I didn't find much knowledge in mass. I saw it as boring rituals that don't do anything for me to get closer to God. I would be interested if it did away with the rituals, focused on educating us on the bible. Teach us why Christianity is true instead of why the Catholic church must be followed. Throw in apologetics so we can understand objections to Christianity.
Many people leave Christianity because they have no idea why its true. In the information age ideas and beliefs are tested. You can't ignore that just because its a faith or religion. There is no point in rituals and traditions if people will just leave Christianity when their faith is challenged. I learned more about Christianity when I stopped going to church researched online than I ever did during church by a huge margin. I still see many Catholics that don't know who God is. What the trinity is. Or that Jesus is God.
If the Catholic Church doesn't get back to the roots of Christianity it will fall.
Alejandro, the common thread here is that you might be expecting too much from the mass. If you want to learn about the whys and wherefores of Catholicism you will need to turn to other materials that are far more in-depth than can be delivered during a 1 h mass.
No offense intended Bishop, but, although you have honed in on the essence of Jordan Peterson's success, I don't think many (probably few and perhaps none) of your brother Bishops are up to a similar task. Nor are they capable of promoting or stimulating a diocesan clergy up to the challenge either. What is it that most "Catholics" hear from their pastors at Mass each Sunday? These well meaning men are, for the most part, out of focus with Scripture and the spiritual dimension young and old seek. A river of imagined subjects, from social justice to neighborhood chatter are no substitute for effectively delving into the Living Word. And, if you couple this nonsensical pablum with a whatever-feels-good-liturgy-du-jour, the bleeding will get worse. It is the crisis of faith, from the top, that trickles down into the pews, and which IMO truly drives the other issues affecting the Church. Many of the old just hang out in the pews, having nowhere else to go. But the young..... well, they have the Jordan Peterson's and many others, who challenge them and feed them the right spiritual medicine. Good luck.
No offence intended *@ 666trambla*, you clean forgot the middle aged. And just make sure you are competent in looking after the needs of those entrusted to your care. Otherwise you may discover that they ended up in the Church pews or something like that.
Penguins on Jupiter….??! ……oh wow…..!?!
I do not trust or believe in the authority of the Bible or any pope or bishop or priest...
You're a self-referencing "None"?
@@oambitiousone7100 no not exactly
@DrEustace Mullins hell is a state of conciousness...
@@jacintowilliamson5597 you're still hellbound.
@@zayan6284 and you are brainwashed....
I think the Church will fail to attract new members as long as its views on sex and reproduction remain the same. I know for me, as much as I love the Church, this is the thing that I keep coming back to where I just can't feel comfortable being a full-blown part of it. Notice that Bishop Barron avoids speaking openly and frankly about these teachings, because they are an instant turn-off many who might otherwise be interested. I know a lot of Catholics just disagree with these teachings and continue to be active Catholics anyway, but for me, I can't just ignore the stuff I don't like and pretend I'm still a Catholic. And the Catholics who think that the Church can just change its views on gays or gay marriage, to take just one example, aren't realizing that if it does that, it will have to completely overhaul its views on the family and sexuality. I think there are ways to do that while preserving Catholic values, not merely capitulating to the secular view on these things, but this is something that I don't really see anyone talking about.
Right now your concern is with the Church teaching on sex and reproduction, what will be the next Church teaching with a target on it back?
@@morelmaster I have no idea, that is the only thing keeping me from the Church.
YOU: I think there are ways to do that while preserving Catholic values, not merely capitulating to the secular view on these things.
ME: It would be helpful then if you would explain how the Church should change its views on those subjects and still be CATHOLIC? I think the Church has gone as far as it needs to go in regards to gays and gay marriage, nothing more needs to be said. I will wait for your response before I say any more.
@@morelmaster I'm not a theologian, but I think there could be ways to acknowledge the sacredness of our human form without having all of it founded on the fact of reproduction. The Church already teaches that the function of sex is not *exclusively* for reproduction. Could that not be expanded to include those for whom reproduction is not possible for whatever reason, that even their sexual activity, if practiced in chastity, could also be god-centered even if it cannot ever end in reproduction? Could there not be another legitimate reason for the union of two people other than for reproduction?
@@ChiaraDBrown
In the case of practicing homosexuals, Scripture explicitly condemns it. How can the Church twist Scripture to make that activity acceptable? The same goes for same sex marriage. The words of Scripture concerning these two issues do not leave any room for finding loop holes. If left up to intellect and reasoning by itself, man can usually justify anything, this is why we need to abide by God's laws to be fully human and live in real freedom, as God intended for us to be.
What’s the evidence that proves there is a “devil”?
@DrEustace Mullins
Maybe we can choose for our own selves to be NOT DEVILISH in our attitude to other humans whatever beliefs they hold onto.
Jesus was a Guru....
Where on earth from ... did get that? In case you know something about him ... what religion did he belongto?
@@marypinakat8594 the Gospel of Thomas...Jesus went to India and Tibet around the age of 12 and He lived there for about 18 years or so
@@jacintowilliamson5597
You simply have a penchant for controversial Christian literature. In case your therapist has not been able to diagnose your case yet, you may convincingly give him the information.
@Chris Jordan because the 4 Gospels in the New Testament are too conflicting.
@@jacintowilliamson5597
You did admit you are undergoing therapy. Please note seriously that the 4 Gospels are learned by millions with assistance. You just won't be able to understand them on your own for substantial reasons. This is an established fact.
The Bible says men will turn from Christ, who cares.
Christ does.
Wine lick blow any thing is needs of heaving mental, serious matter are Jocks lick after drinks wine , is matter of selfe valluing for ? Wine of everydays,
The dynamics of more people leaving religion collates to the moral degeneration of society. In which the individual comes before the many.
And of course the nones as you call them are going to target religion. In the Western world it is Christianity which is targeted more specifically the Catholic Church being the largest of the Christian denominations. The issues with the scandals within the Church are mainly past occurrences but they are being brought to light by those who work against the Church.
When scandal happens the reputation of the Church as a moral leader comes into question in which many leave the Church and Christianity in general further deteriorating the morality of society in a downward spiral.
As for Protestants they would be hit harder because they are not the true faith in which many will see errors in their doctrines as they conform to this moral determination of society. Which is why more people left Protestant denominations over Catholics leaving the Catholic Church.
It's all about cause and effect.
Passive. ..aggressive
Passive ... aggressive = neutralised successfully.
Ask any 20 year old would he rather listen to a man who sees the divine plan in Harry Potter or one attired in a dress discussing Aquinian doctrine, tough call😁😂🤗
Hinduism and Buddhism are much more appealing....
You could benefit from some therapy ......
@@marypinakat8594 I do go to therapy...
@@jacintowilliamson5597
That's great! The results might be arriving just a bit late. That's fine.
I went down that road for two decades and ended up with a dead soul. Coming back to Christ and life, and very grateful to the Bishop for his direction.
Im a pantheist....
Why?
@@zayan6284 because it is natural and makes more sense to me...
@@jacintowilliamson5597 that's not an argument.
Jacinto -- pantheism is an intellectual error. To move beyond the error, I can help you, or you can read online the Summa Conta Gentiles or Summa Theologica sections on demonstrating by reason God's existence.
Catholic penguins….?…..
I can't even make it through this. With all due respect, this perpetual analysis and cerebral wordplay is becoming infuriating. It's not rocket science, return to tradition, where the majesty of the mysteries is preeminent. It's not about figuring us out. It's about living in truth the beauty of authentic worship that will attract any soul that sincerely seeks truth. Sadly, I'm done watching this channel. I've done my best to give the benefit of the doubt, to listen and to be open to to a broader context that I might be missing. At this point I am convinced that there is no forum for an honest discussion about the mass of the ages. I'm absolutely done, in good conscience, with listening to this stuff. The "nones" will remain hopeless as long as the church remains worldly, and that's the point you guys just don't seem to grasp.
Brooke, I'm afraid you're not making any sense here. Like it or not, Catholicism is a smart tradition. From Augustine and Anselm to Thomas Aquinas and John Paul II, we've engaged in a serious, high-level analysis of both the culture and the faith. And what precisely do you find "worldly" about the conversation that Brandon and I were having?!
I must point out that your claim of the adoption of relativistic truth, and the rejection of objectivity by the youth is simply an assertion, and a strawman. As a former Catholic “Non”, I do not speak for anyone but myself, but I do not hold that truth is relative. My issue is not with objective truth from the church, but that they claim it in the first place. I could make a subjective claim, or even an incorrect one, and call it objective truth, but it doesn’t make it so. The way we determine whether the claim is true or not is by examining the evidence for the claim. Where does the evidence lead? Does it comport with reality? Does it have predictive power? This is where Theistic claims fail to compare with scientific claims. If it can be asserted without evidence, it can be rejected without evidence. To contribute to your statistics, my reason for leaving the church is also that I no longer believe due to the growing availability of information about the origins of the Bible, it’s inconsistency with reality, it’s internal contradictions, and the lack of evidence for the claim that God(s) exist(s).
Show of hands: people who found Bishop Barron *because* of Jordan Peterson? [Mine = Evolutionary Biologists on Twitter defending science of sex differences-->JBP-->Dave Rubin-->Bishop Barron]
Nope, found bishop Barron when he was father Barron and was doing film reviews
Young people and old people turn against the church and decide they don't want to believe because it is their choice. That's it. And if they learned it from their mother and father that was their choice as well. I think you're looking too deeply into this. There's a passage somewhere in the Bible I believe and it speaks about wide is the road that everyone or most people take Straight to Hell and narrow is the path that will get us into heaven because it's much more difficult. This day and age everything is fast food instant gratification and fun fun fun and where is my happiness. That's what's going on and that's what is being taught in the school system as well. We need to start with children at an early age first with emotional intelligence and spiritual growth the teachings of Jesus Christ. There's a lot that is going wrong and has always been wrong in the world but again people choose to not believe in Hell or Heaven and God and Jesus and Mary because it is their choice. I come from a family of six children and I am not trying to say I am better but I am the only one who actually goes to church and is very scared and fearful and loving and loyal towards our God in heaven. I don't want to go to hell but even more I would like to go to heaven and be with her Lord Jesus Christ our heavenly father mother Mary and all of the good angels and Saints in heaven. I believe there is a hell and a devil. And I think that the devil has the reign of this Earth. Don't try to get into whether you should speak intellectually or psychological bring it all together speak the truth. The truth is what matters.
Let go Accept it for
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"Don't look too deep inside ..."
"... but find the truth ..." .........
*SOUNDS OF CLASHES*
@@marypinakat8594 the truth doesn't mean you need to take a shovel and dig 20 ft into the soul. The truth can be right there in front of you. It can be as simple as a choice made by Tony or Jane or John or Penelope. God gave us a free will. And I don't think that changed because it's the year 2019. What's the Clash? Tell me what you mean by this is a Clash. Love to hear it.
@@marypinakat8594 I can give you one example. Like I said I come from a family of six children on the 4th born. All of us were raised by the same mother and father. My mother and father did not go to church on a consistent basis my mother was a convert from Protestant and lukewarm Catholic. She cared more about her looks and my fathers pleasures and keeping him happy. My dad was too busy working to go to church when we are children. However later in life he did start going to church and then he became serious about the Catholic teachings. My point is that my brothers and sisters and I all were exposed to the same parents and the same belief system of the Catholic Church. Why is it that I am the only one who truly believes in God and Jesus Christ and mother Mary and the Ten Commandments and heaven and hell? Why is it that my other brothers and sisters do not believe and they think it's silly or out-of-date and old-fashioned to believe in a man with a robe or they make fun of the Pope. Tell me that. Like I said God gave us a free will. God bless you and may God guide us all on this bumpy journey of Temptations and other difficult obstacles as we each carry our cross.
Brandon, how big is your ego? Why through this video series do you present yourself as big as or bigger than Bishop Barron. I/we tune into see the Bishop not you. It's okay you're on the screen, but you should be framing the Bishop better no matter how relaxed he is. God has been presented to me as a violent figure. Seeing the Bishop relaxed, speaking so strong, authentic is inspiring and changes that image.
@Chris Jordan he works for Bishop Barron not the other way around
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I don't think that at all.
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I don't think at Word On Fire anyone 'works' for another. While Word On Fire is Bishop Barron's own personal initiative, I have difficulty in believing that Brandon or anyone else is keeping a job with Bishop as though in a Corporate company or something.
If anything they operate as a very commendable TEAM, a Team of gifted and anointed servants of God in the Church.
@@freedomeagle1967
I have always admired Brandon as he is an extremely smart and exceptionally gifted person. I don't see a trace of 'ego' in him being the Host of the programme here.
@@marypinakat8594 you have completely missed the point. Again ego is the issue.
There is a solution an equation.
HE>I
Peace
Single shooter? And I tht he was smart...
Barron in a nutshell: "One shooter is probably the most plausible theory."