Steve Hackett on Phil Collins Love For Yes & Bill Bruford
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This man is such a gift!
Yes and Genesis are 2 of my all time Favorites.
Mine too although I would throw Rush in there also.
Bill Bruford is so underrated in today’s society. I love watching him play on the old KC and Yes videos of the 70’s, a human metronome.
His 1st tour with YES was of unmeasured territory for prog rock blooming!
The greatest
Who doesn't love Bill Bruford???
Alan White ?
@@vanillagorilla8236 :-D Made my day!
Ihate that guy
@@vanillagorilla8236 I think there was mutual respect there. As bad as the Union album was, the tour got a chance to bring all of them together. I think Bill and Alan got a chance to bond a little as opposed to Howe and Rabin.
Always excellent when you interview Steve Hackett. One of my favorite guitarists. Thank you, John!
Collins and Bruford both are such brilliant drummers. It may be that one day Ringo Starr will be able to play almost like them.
John Wetton tells a story in King Crimson's biography. One of his girlfriends had been Collins' girlfriend in 73. She said that Phil rehearsed with a poster of "Larks' Tongues in Aspic" as a way of getting inspiration. Huge King Crimson fan, and he regarded LTiA as the aim Genesis should have.
Wasn't Phil COllins married then?
Phil has said in several interviews I’ve heard that his ‘style’ or method was to imitate other drummers as any particular track required, so if a certain song lent itself to a John Bonham style or a Ginger Baker, he would put their respective hats on so to speak.
Sounds like typical Phil humility to me, as he definitely had his own recognisable style.
I remember that he mentioned that for Squonk he tried to imitate Bonham on Kashmir, but even Phil admitted that it doesn’t sound like that. Whatever Phil did, it always sounded like him, which is why he is special.
Thank you! Steve is pure class. What more can be said.
John it is SO great that you and reaction channels like Andy & Alex, Jamel aka Jamal, India, Lost in Vegas, etc. are keeping the music of the '60s, 70's and 80's alive and thriving. I love to see these young people who've never heard rock music before be BLOWN AWAY by the great tunes, the great musicianship and the sheer MOUNTAIN of great songs that came out of those three decades. Great music stretches across generations. KEEP GOING!!
Good for John for insisting Steve not respond to Bill Bruford's comment and saying, "I'm not that kind of journalist." (Most would at most say, "You don't have to answer that if you don't want to" rather than preclude the possibility altogether.)
" ... he could imitate Ringo. He could imitate Billy Cobham for heavens sake. " - Bill Bruford, interview Rock History Music
@Diogo take a listen to Cobham with Mahavishnu and his solo work. It was a SUPREME compliment.
Phil is still my biggest inspiration as a drummer, since I was an 8yrold (now 47)...and that’s even in the face of me becoming a fan of the likes of Omar Hakim and Manu Katche etc as I got older. I think Phil stopped developing as a player once his solo success hit, probably because he didn’t have the time. When these other great drummers were practicing their chops Phil was probably just trying find enough time to get match fit again for the next album tour. I think he could have been as good technically as many of the 80’s/90’s top session players that came to be....
@christian parsons PC had proved himself and felt that less is more, which is why he was prouder of his playing on Illegal Alien than Dance On A Volcano. Less flashy, he just played what was required.
Thanks for posting love everything about that error music and Steve Hackett
Steve Hackett is a true "artist" and a real gentleman. I met him a few times. Back in 2003 Steve came to my hotel room to give me an interview for a website I was working with at the time and he stayed to chat with us even after the interview was over. A true class act and an awesome person. He actually remembered me 15 years later. In my humble opinion Genesis lost a huge artistic edge when Steve left the band. Steve's tours are all truly amazing and intense. One of the best concerts I ever attended was the acoustic show did when he Steve played with his brother John and Roger King. It was magical. Then years later Steve went and did the impossible. Created 2 fantastic albums of Genesis music and performed the incredibly powerful Genesis Revisited Tours. And now its 2021 and the remaining 3 are going back out on tour again, without Steve...again. And Phil is so hurt now he can't play drums anymore or stand for long periods of time. He has to sing from a chair. Do I really want to see that? And Phil's kid is playing drums. What was this, some kind of please come back Phil and we'll let your kid play drums if you do? C'mon, no offense to Phil's kid. I'm sure he's a decent drummer but there are a lot better drummers out there. Seems like a slap in the face to Chester to me. Of course Chester could be busy with other projects. I admit I don't know. Tony and Michael could have easily have gotten Steve to play with them and they'd have been guaranteed sell out shows, even without Phil. It just makes me wonder. You watch. If it's any indication of how they sounded 14 years ago when they did the "Turn It On Again" reunion tour, this Last Domino tour is going to be dissappointing. Turn It On Again tour, gimme a break. lol At least this time they didn't pick an embarrassing tour name. Steve, keep giving us that great music you've been doing for years. And I'll always be there in the audience cheering when you come to town.
More Hackett please , Thanks
what ever the opinion, Phil Collins was a Drummer to many musicians early on, he then develop his own style. Some people are hard pressed to give the devil its due. When you are great, popular and rich some people find it VERY hard to give praise.
Anyone who doesn't acknowledge Phil Collins as one of the five best drummers the world has yet seen is... someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.
I met steve about 10 years ago , seemed like a nice guy , great gig as well , did a few genesis songs as well
I found Bill Bruford's comments on Phil Collins, and his ability to "Mimic" quite passive-aggressive and 'snarky'. I've seen Bruford, playing with King Crimson, and also with Earthworks. The man is a GREAT Drummer, no doubt - but he also comes off a bit too pompous, and full of himself...not unlike Tony Banks. I saw Genesis on the "Trick of the Tail" tour (1976), when Bill was the tour drummer. When Phil took to the kit - it was fucking MAGICAL! Bruford was like a Metronome - perfect time. Phil played with a sublime Elasticity, and his fills (no pun intended) were beautiful, asymmetrical constructs - the same ones you hear on Eno's "Another Green World", and "Before and After Science"...also on the first 2 Brand X records. Phil ABSOLUTELY had a Signature style, and a SOUND! He Completely Transformed GENESIS on the album where he made his debut, along with Steve Hackett - "Nursery Cryme"!- Phil Collins will ALWAYS be My Favorite "Prog" Drummer. Period!
And, I might add - I would NOT want to hear Bill Bruford SING! Collins had a gorgeous voice at the start of his time with Genesis - reaching it's peak on "Trick of the Tail", and "Wind and Wuthering"..."Blood on the Rooftops" is MAGISTERIAL! Phil was THE Finest Singing Drummer of All Time, and that translated into his Drumming in a BIG Way. Thank You Steve Hackett for being such a Good Man - not Disparaging other Musicians, but it's Obvious - You have nothing but Respect for Phil's Musicianship - and YOU would Know!
I agree with you. Brufford´s a great drummer, but whenever i listen to him speaking, i can´t help but feeling he really thinks too highly of himself.
He also doesn´t seem to have much respect for Alan White, considered him more of an average rock drummer, which doesn´t do Alan any justice.
And according to Phil, he is one of the most original drummers of all time. Also, people seem to completly underestimate his technical skills. And the way he grooves is unmatched.
In short: Love Bills drumming, but as a person he always comes off a bit too much of a snob.
I've read BB's book and seen interviews. He does indeed seem reluctant to hand out praise. Seems to look down his nose at rock misic. On the other hand Collins seems to have no clue how good he, himself is.
Bruford is the master.
one thing that I find interesting. In Steve Hackett's book, 'A Genesis in My Bed', he mentions Bill Bruford several times and in Bill Bruford's autobiography, he mentions Phil Collins, Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford but never mentions Steve Hackett.
Bill Bruford was talking about playing drum regarding Ringo. He also said " he could mimic a sea lion".
My choice for BEST guitarist!
When it comes to music l too love Bruford, and Hackett, and Collins, n Wakeman etc. When it comes to life itself... l love JESUS! The KING of kings, and LORD of lords! _ALL GLORY_ goes to Him alone! :))
I want to read Steve's book! (When it does or if it has already come out.)
signed copies are a available from steve's web store ... steve also usually makes signed copies of cd and vinyl if pre ordered ... his deluxe cd sets are really great .... both musically and as an exemplar of how to put out a deluxe package ...
see my comment re signed cooies ...
Bill Bruford in the 2nd incarnation of KC is awesome...and...in the 1st(2nd?) Incarnation of YES was/is 2nd to no Prog Rock drummer!
Its comforting to see Steve Hackett has a very ordinary lamp shade and shoves stuff on top of his IKEA wardrobe, just like us mere mortals
Read what happened to him during his divorce and you will know the reason.
I don't know if there is such a thing as "the real Genesis." For me personally I prefer the period that Steve Hackett was in but I don't really have anything against the other eras of the band. We all like what we like.
I was more disappointed with Steve leaving rather than Peter to be perfectly honest. I am a fan of Peter’s work and his solo career but my preference was for Genesis during Seconds Out sound.
Is it true or not well I don’t know 🤷♂️. It’s just the right kind of Genesis for me. Beards and Long Hair!!
Didn't phil collins attack chester thompson in 2011
I had to check this out, I'd heard nothing about it.
ROLLING STONE : Were the dates in Australia and other markets you didn’t hit the first time?
CHESTER THOMPSON : Yeah. It was going to be South America too. I knew it was in the works. And that was the end of that. And then I ended up doing Phil’s Motown thing and that didn’t go well. [Ed. note: Collins did a four-city tour in June and July 2010 to promote his Motown covers record Going Back.]
RS : Why didn’t it go well?
CT: Well, basically, I hadn’t prepared in as much detail as I usually did. Part of that was no matter how well I prepared, he always made some pretty intense changes. And I grew up with that Motown stuff, so I think maybe I took it for granted. But Phil being Phil, he detailed every single fill, every single detail of every single song. I hadn’t done that.
When we got to rehearsal, I didn’t know about the stuff that was going on in Phil’s life. I had no idea. I just knew that he was a radically different person than I’d ever known.
One day, he got pretty frustrated with me and literally cussed me out in front of everybody. He told me that I sounded like crap and all that. The vibe just changed. It was just different. We didn’t do a lot of shows, but at the very last show [at the Montreux Jazz Festival on July 1st, 2010], he wasn’t the happiest he’d ever been.
At one point on that show, I was supposed to play a backbeat to go into the last tune. He turned around and stared at me. I started thinking, “Now what did I do?” And so I kind of froze. Fortunately, the bass player [Bob Babbitt] stepped in and started the tune. And at the end of the show, he just went off. I was like, “Man, when you turned around and looked, it threw me off.”
We normally had a lot of eye contact at shows. During that particular run, there was none, ever. When he turned around, it just freaked me out because I was already nervous since I didn’t know what was going to come next. It had been intense the whole time. It was not fun.
Since then, I was pretty upset. But I’m over it now. I wish him nothing but the best. And I think it’s a fantastic opportunity that his son gets to play with him because his son drummed backstage when he was five. We all knew he was going to be a great player. You knew it at five years old.
RS : Has Phil talked to you at all in the past 10 years?
CT : No. Not at all. Not at all. And it’s fine. Again, I’ve got no grudge. It took me a while to get over it, but I really wish him well. Again, I think it’s fantastic that he’s playing with his son. I wish I could afford my son. [Laughs] If I could have him, I’d be touring with him right now. He’s just turned into this monster musician.
RS : Phil wrote in his book that he had a major drinking problem in that time period. His marriage was falling apart.
CT : I wasn’t aware of any of that. I was just thinking, “What in the heck is going on here?”
Wow I did not know that. Makes me very sad. Especially if Phil hasn’t tried to make it up to him. Seems strange, I wonder what Daryl made of it all. Leland Sklar is still singing Phil’s praises from the most recent tour. He’s definitely an angrier man in recent years, and that’s not surprising considering his health issues, but maybe the anger is a barrier to his health improving. I wrote him a letter recently just to kind of thank him for being an inspiration pretty much my whole life (I’m 47!) and included a couple of cds of bands I’d played in previously, simply because I thought he’d like them. A couple of months went by and they were returned to me by his PA basically stating that Phil didn’t want them. I mean, just throw them away, don’t return them to me!! Again sad, because when I was a kid I wrote him to ask if I could do my school work experience at The Farm studio, and he hand wrote me back apologies saying it wouldn’t be possible but wishing me luck...I was over the moon😄I hope he turns things around for himself, finds some spirituality perhaps...🙏
@@christianparsons6050 Never meet your heroes and never try to contact them. That's my advice. I'm a few years older than you but I never thought of doing anything like that. It's good you tried to reach out but sometimes it's just not worth it. I talked to Bill Bruford after a show once(earthworks)and he was kind of rude but I didn't really take it personally. That's just the way some of them are. Also, I'm a lifelong fan of Genesis also and Yes too(well since my teens in the eighties anyway for both of them as well as prog rock in general).
Bruford said he really didn't up his game when he played with genesis...not really into it fully...hes great with his own style and own music..he apologized..but he did his brief stont
I love Hackett, it’s a shame he is glossed over in all the Genesis documentaries as they just want to focus on the ‘pop trio’ but in my opinion Genesis’ best albums featured Gabriel and Hackett and everything after they left was anti climatic... not even in the same league as ‘prog’ Genesis. I thing Steve Hackett would have found a natural home in a band like Yes as they were more musically on his level and in his wavelength...but that’s a definite ‘what if’ scenario.
The older interview with Steve sounded more like Bill bruford
Phil was a much more musical and natural drummer than Bill Bruford. Bill, while great with Yes felt weak with Genesis compared to Phil and Chester.
Absoluely agree with you! Bill´s a great drummer, but Chester´s approach to Genesis music fits so much better. More focusing on the groove.
Even though i also love Bill´s playing in Genesis Live concerts from ´76, i sometimes got the feeling that he should have listened more to what the band needed, instead of wanting to play some complicated and not really fitting stuff.
@@doomprogger6345 Bill participated as a hired gun without the emotional investment or the time to fully integrate his playing style as they had the luxury to so do. What Bill managed to pull off in such a brief period is testament to his talent. He was Phil's first choice, after all..
I love the Genesis stuff up to the time Hackett quit. After that, there were very few pieces i wanted to bother with. Only bought then there were free. I liked parts of it, but never bought anything else by them or Phil. Don't miss it either.
Now THAT RIGHT THERE MY FRIENDS...IS THEEE DRUM DUET...PHIL&BILL🥵🤯🤪
Bruford could never quite compliment Phil for anything, he considered Collins as a "Junior Partner" - just a simple acknowledgement of how far Phil got (an Academy Award, no less) would have meant SO MUCH to Collins, but he just couldn't do it.
BB was a drummers drummer, in the larger World, Phil Collins was MUCH MORE influencial, most EVERYONE on the Planet KNOWS Phil Collins, the same cannot be said for BB.
I always thought that if Phil wanted to be snide about it, he might have said "I could crush you with my wallet", meaning of course, that Collins amassed a fortune, at least 20 times what BB made with his mostly obscure solo efforts.
I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make here, but I don't think Bill thought of Collins as a "Junior Partner" in any way. You point out that Bill didn't acknowledge Phil's Academy Award as an example. You also make references to Phil's fame and commercial success being greater than Bill's. I'm not sure how much you know about Bill Bruford, but it seems pretty apparent to me that he cares nothing about those things. An Academy Award is from the Academy of Motion Pictures. Bill's not interested in awards for Film. Sure, it's an achievement, but when talking about how much respect you have for a fellow drummer, an award bestowed by movie people is probably not on Bill's radar as a relevant thing to mention. If Dr. Bruford's measure of achievement focused on money and popularity, he wouldn't have left Yes when he did to join King Crimson. Bill's drive has always come from musicianship, and in that way, he gave Phil a very high compliment by saying he had the skill to seemingly effortlessly recreate any sound he heard, from mimicking a sea lion to playing like Billy Cobham, who was one of the greatest drummers around, especially at that time. Bill doesn't mention how many people know Phil's name around the world because he probably doesn't understand why anyone would think that was a thing to work toward or be proud of. It might be hard to imagine, but not everyone is impressed by or seeks to gain tremendous popularity and wealth. If you're not impressed by those things, than you wouldn't likely use those as measurements when complimenting others.
Phil was sublime,sorry but Bill didn’t come close back in the early seventies ,no one did, IMO as a drummer myself he was unique just listen to “foxtrot “.
Genesis were like KIDS and FOLLOWERS rather than LEADERS (like Yes, King Crimson, ELP, et al) and so all the main acts looked "down" on them. And even Genesis has a chip on their shoulders about this.
Ask Phil and he'll likely tell you he'd TRADE the fame and riches for the CREDIBILITY and ADVENTURE of being a prog drummer, in hindsight.
The money NEVER fills the heart.
It's a classsic DEAL WITH THE DEVIL:
you will be super rich and famous.....and not have the CREDIBILITY of a Bill Bruford. Never.
That's the trade-off.
Bruford''s trade-off was that he had to struggle most of his career to make a living, SO HE COULD FOLLOW HIS HEART.
If you ask WHAT people know Phil Collins for, then that says it all. THats something that would clearly infuriate Bill, and does irritate Phil. But I don't know either of them, hell, even Peter Gabriel is ten times the 'artist' Phil is but constantly talks about being jealous of Phils success, which usually means 'his money'. I"m jealous of his money too, who wouldnt' be? But any musician worth their salt would rather be in Bills history books than Phils. THe people who cite Phil as an influence are pop divas and the kind of crap that Phil constantly bemoans 'is only part of what I do'. Phil seems to want the best of all worlds, tons of money for writing pop ballads as well as respect for the music. But the fact is that you can watch interviews during the eighties and later when he ADMITS that they started writing songs 'with the drum machine'. Thats lile saying today I start my music with loops. NO musician is going to take that seriously. THe jamming stuff is different, but thats not commercial, thats the way it goes.
Frankly neither Phil or Bill strike me as guys you'd want to chat with. Bill takes great pains to talk as an 'academic'. Drummers seem to be the goalies of the rock world and exist in their own little world. Hell even Tony Banks seems easier to talk to, if you can slow him down enough to understand him. Mike seems like a sweet guy as does Steve and Anthony. Peter seems to be on a planet all his own. But Phils constant 'poor me' routine in virtually ALL his interviews gets grating. The guy is a brilliant musician, N OBODY doubts that. He's an incredibly hard worker too. And he's stinking rich so why he still wants to impress some Elvis Costello critics at the NME is beyond me.
@@mikearchibald744 everybody claims to know these people their motivations their faults in fact everything about them and their relationships with other musicians but you just believe what you want to believe what fits your personal opinions and prejudices in reality you just trade in here say
Maybe i am the only to think so.. But i don"t care.. Phil has been a better drummer than Bill at least in the period 1977/1982..i always hated how much snob Bill was.. Hè was a very good drummer, but in my opinion too much overrated..