Happy Friday guys! This might be the most requested comparison test we've had in a LONG time. Big shoutout to Rob for letting us borrow his car and to our editor Martin for filming it all. There are no shortages of quick EV's on sale today, but these two might just be our favorites, we want to know below, which one would you actually choose? The more visceral feeling hot hatch that sounds and feels like you're driving a race simulator... or the car that let's you play video games in the screen driving in silence, but gives you the more impressive tech and infotainment system? Let us know below!
Tesla's lack of buttons, knobs, dials kills it for me. I do wish the Hyundai was as light as the Tesla. The mock sounds are awesome since they are able to be turned on or off. Yeah, I'd take the Hyundai.
@@theredline I have the M3P, I did post a comment regarding this in the feed. Price was a big factor, The I5N is over 30K more than the M3P in Australia. I’ll do track day through the week and make a post of what I find. I think the noises and emulated gear shift in the I5N (which i have driven on track) would be a novelty that would wear off. An EV is an EV, the advantages of being able to hear the tyres if one reason you would not want the noise. Driving in silence with an awesome sound system is like being in a space ship!
14 Things Revealed About the Ioniq 5N Nürburgring Lap Time 1.The Sport Auto channel released a video on January 18, 2024, showing the Ioniq 5N’s Nürburgring lap time of 7 minutes and 45 seconds. 2. One lap of the Nürburgring, a motorsports circuit located in Nürburg, western Germany, is 20.8 km (or 20.6 km). 3. The Nürburgring has 154 corners, and the height difference between the courses reaches 300 meters. 4. The Ioniq 5N electric vehicle completed two laps of the Nürburgring, demonstrating a maximum speed of 260 km/h and a battery temperature of up to 46 degrees Celsius. 5. When genuine electric cars from other manufacturers (typically Tesla) are taken to a race circuit, the brakes do not hold up, and the battery overheats, limiting output. 6. Therefore, the Ioniq 5N required a new braking method that could surpass mechanical brakes. Brakes wear more heavily the heavier the vehicle and the faster the speed. It is widely accepted that track driving with mechanical brakes alone is nearly impossible for electric vehicles, which are 40% heavier than heat-resistant locomotives and have high output. However, Hyundai solved this problem by maximizing regenerative braking, a characteristic of electric vehicles. 7. In particular, ‘N Brake Regen,’ which can recover energy up to a high deceleration range of up to 0.6G using regenerative braking, was developed and applied to the Ioniq 5N. 0.6G is the deceleration level in an internal combustion engine vehicle when the mechanical brake is applied hard and the vehicle stops suddenly. 8. Additionally, the Ioniq 5N has improved heat dissipation performance by increasing the thermal conductivity of the heat dissipation material applied between the battery cell and cooling channel. In addition, ‘N Battery Preconditioning’ technology, which provides optimal driving conditions by cooling or preheating the battery to an appropriate temperature before driving, was also applied to the Ioniq 5N. Reasons Why Lap Times of Electric Vehicles from Other Manufacturers Except Hyundai and KIA Cannot Be Trusted 9. Regarding Nürburgring lap times, the lap times of other electric vehicle manufacturers are less reliable. 10. Typically, in the case of Tesla, when measuring the Nürburgring lap time, it is done with a non-mass-produced car. 11. In other words, better brakes and suspension than the mass-produced car are installed, with different parts from the mass-produced car, and the lap time is measured. 12. Simply put, other manufacturers use unconventional methods to measure lap times for show. 13. However, Hyundai and KIA directly provide mass-produced vehicles to credible media to measure them. 14. The final conclusion is that Hyundai and KIA are confident in their performance and reliability.
Just a side note but regenerative braking is generally turned off in EVs when used on a track as it causes additional heat in the cooling loops for the motors and battery. You're charging the battery and this process produces heat. Most EV drivers on track prefer having the heat in the brakes over the heat in the drivetrain as usually it's the drivetrain that gets thermal throttled before the brakes fade. :) At the end of the day, just like with any car, you can upgrade the cooling system with aftermarket parts. A bit more complicated with Tesla though as they use excess motor heat to heat the battery for charging and to heat the cabin, the whole system is very specialized and not really off the shelf parts.
The thing is that if you are one of the few (0.005%) that take the 3P to nurburgring, you have to spend a few 1000 dollars on brake upgrades. If you do autox or dragracing, you dont need to upgrade the brakes, same with sporty driving in the mountains. If you do autox, an wheel swap to a square 265 or 275 setup will help a lot. At dragracing the oem wheels are very light wheel (forged), so there is no reason to swap tires or wheels for dragracing or street. With the brake upgrades, you turn off the regen so the overheat issues are no longer there. Even with the upgrades, at least in Norway, you will have saved tens of thousands of dollars compared to buying the 5N and running it stock. The 3P will then also still run much further per charge than the 5N. The Model 3 is also lower, it is much lighter and more engaging to do corners in - as you sit lower. Of course if you do nurburgring I would also move away from staggered wheels and do square tires so you get more grip up front. 265 or 275 square. Then you would be able to outhandle a lot of cars which are way more expensive. Of course you cant beat every car out there, but you can at least have very much fun for "ok price". Not to say that the 5N is a bad car, I like the engineering of Hyundai/Kia, also Tesla and others, but its not like any car is perfect at everything. Especially the range of the 5N can be an issue when doing track days, same with the added weight and high seating position as its a crossover.
The Hyundai looks ugly! There’s way too much going on with the design! It’s overstyled… The artificial "engine" sounds also don’t help it… It’s ridiculous!
I live in Houston and actually used the V2L feature to charge my Anker F3800 home backup batteries during our latest 6 day hurricane outage. It was a lifesaver. So glad I was able to quickly find the V2L adapter.
@@blckscletoo bad in EU they get nerfed battery on new model 3P, in USA we get better Panasonic battery, which is still holding back the power from the motors. I also think it’s why it overheated the battery so fast, it’s smaller battery on more powerful motor.
The price difference between the 2 in Australia is over 30K, with the Tesla being more affordable. I’ve driven both and got the Tesla mainly due to the price, but I’m also looking forward to FSD and I prefer cars over SUV’s. My previous car was an i30N which I tracked regularly without issue, apart from some brake fade which was manageable. From what I’ve seen the Tesla is going to struggle with brakes and overheating issues, so i will find that out soon enough. As a road car and on back roads, the Tesla is amazing. Since most people never track their cars, any of the Tesla’s inadequacies would be irrelevant. I5N is engineered for 20 minutes sessions on track, and at the N Festival last year in Sydney where I drove the car, they did this all day long.
I'm in exactly the same boat. On an even cost basis, I'd probably go the Hyundai, but here in Australia its hard to overlook the benefits of the leasing FBT exemption on the Tesla. I ended up going M3P for that reason and its an awesome car.
I'm the same. Driven both, loved both. Went the M3P in the end purely on price on a lease with the EV GST/FBT saving. Unlike others I personally didn't like the look of the N, but the Tesla isn't perfect either. Miss my HUD that's in my Kia. Ultimately you'd be happy with either though. They're awesome!
@@JohnLee-db9zt As another owner of the 2024 Model 3 Performance, and had a 2019 Model 3 Performance before it: The I5N is a great track car, better on the track than the M3P. But... I'd say the M3P boasts more benefits outside of the track. The Model 3 is lower, has a more sporty stance, and in my personal opinion has a much much cleaner interior with higher quality materials. The I5N interior looks really cluttered, but I have to say I'm likely biased as I've owned a Tesla for 5 years and very quickly adapted to a clean, minimalist interior. It's a preference for sure. Biggest benefit from the Model 3 is the constant software updates and the highly capable onboard computers. When I got my original 2019 Model 3 Performance it didn't have Sentry Mode (Dashcam built in), it gained better charging speeds and acceleration, better braking through an ABS update, several entire UI changes, along with many changes to the self-driving software and active safety features. And of course, Track Mode! All for free, downloaded over WiFi at home. Overall... For street use, I'd say the M3P is my personal preference, for track use the I5N is more capable. Depends where you spend the most time and what your preferences are I suppose.
And how affordable to, as both of these cars are 20-40k under any comparable new ice segment competitors! 👍🏻😎 A 24 m3p brand new for under 50% of the cost without factoring inflation of a 2014 p100d ms will smoke it in everyway! 😀
@@Ignacio.Romerohe’s comparing it to ice cars with the same amount of performance. So high end cars that cost 80k+. A new m4 completion starts at 83k.
The 5N comes with the glass roof as an option overseas. A shame it isn’t available here. Still… Much prefer the 5N overall, I also disagree with the comp to the smaller M3P vs a MYP. I wasn’t looking for a sedan when purchasing. I needed a hatchback style and more backseat room, so the Y was the comp. I much prefer the 5N and am pleased with the purchase.
@@josephquinto5812 my commute is 5-8 city miles per day depending on route. Have been able to squeeze between 230-247 or so if I focus on that (and the weather has been right; haven't seen winter in this car yet). Edmunds squeezed 250. Our other car is our big road tripper. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ this one is A LOT of fun.
Hyundai said they have something even better than 5N coming. I'm guessing that's Magma. But Magma being Genesis, it will be more expensive, and with the increase price better performance should be guaranteed unless Hyundai doesn't want to sell Magmas.
It seems hyundai is having good momentum on its ev sales. It just depends on what type of EV you want, but I feel personally that the hyundai styling is much better
The Hyundai looks ugly! There’s way too much going on with the design! It’s overstyled… The artificial "engine" sounds also don’t help it… It’s ridiculous!
I'd get the N if i could actually get either one. The N is really unique and the first time I've seen an EV engineered to have a lively driving experience, which has been a challenge for auto makers to pull off. Also, a bit random, but I love good looking steering wheels and the N has one of the coolest wheels
Every person (without exception) who's mentioned the sun coming through the pano roof on my Model Y has stated how surprised they are that they can't feel the heat from it at all. In fact, I had someone in it just yesterday going to lunch in the mid-day direct overhead sun while we're experiencing near record temperatures in Salt Lake City, and he was blown away by how great the view while feeling like it was covered like a normal roof.
@@hyundaiveloster6437 look at the car before you comment. The Ioniq’s have push-button glass roof covers. 🤦🏾♂️ ruclips.net/video/N2zClYARhHg/видео.htmlsi=aKA31-XSGVkrsLCX
The Ioniqs (5 & 6) have a push-button OEM blind that can cover the “vision” glass roof. That feature is also an option for the 5N overseas but NOT in North America, which is a shame.
Isn't the difference higher due to the M3P getting Federal EV rebate? It shows $47.4K after rebate vs $68K so $20K difference isn't something most can ignore.
It's not a rebate, but a Tax Credit. Which most families do not qualify for. Simply put, if you have a deficit at the end of the year on your taxes. The Government will forgive up to $7500 of that which is owed. If it is less, then it will only cover the lesser amount. And that it.
@sevenflashowls Yes, I Understand that the Manufacturer-"Tesla" is getting the Tax Credit from the Feds. And then passing down a discount to the consumer. Sure, Even Hyundai is doing the same thing to move more vehicles off the lots. But if that's the main reason or 1 of the main factor of buying a Tesla over anything else, What does it, or what is it saying about that vehicle? For me,, Tesla just doesn't do anything for me.
The Hyundai looks ugly! There’s way too much going on with the design! It’s overstyled… The artificial "engine" sounds also don’t help it… It’s ridiculous!
This was cool, do you guys do comparison reviews like this once in a while? You play off each other very well! Also Sofyan is a machine! Rattling off stats like crazy!
We decided to try something a little different for this video and it worked out well! May do more of these whenever we can find the time and wrangle two competitors together 😊
@@theredline It was a great video. Who knew Rob is a total natural on camera too! I also would love to hear more about Rob's miserable experience buying the tesla in a different video.
It’s nice to see Rob on camera and he did a great job with the Acura MDX Type S video when Acura refreshed the car so it’s nice to see him here in front of the camera once again 👏👏
There are no electric seats in the 5 N because they couldn't fit the seats as low as they wanted them to with the electric motors etc. I drove the M3P (first version) for about 3 years, now driving a hybrid, and I think I'm going for the 5 N this time. In the EU we do get the pano roof, shades and HUD, so some plus point for the 5 N here. I would certainly enjoy both, but the 5N checks some more boxes for me (also some more space in the back for the not so small kids anymore ;) ) Oh, and BTW prices are pretty similar here too. Not the manufacture prices, you can get a decent discount on the 5 N, so these aren't that far apart (with the FSD spec'ed, that is)
What price were you able to negotiate for the 5N? The official price here in Germany is 74,900 EUR. I was able to get an offer of 66,000 EUR. The official price for the M3P is 58,490 EUR. Of course without the pseudo-FSD stuff, which I don't need anyway.
@@TorPedoCXC Price with the pano is around 70K, M3P with blue paint and white interior (as was my ex-M3P) and FSD is around 68.5K, so not a huge difference. 66K for the 5N is a great price, I don't think we can get that here
I havexa 2023 Kia EV6 and did the V2L tailgating at a concert last month. Cooked hot dogs on an electric cooked I bought from Amazon. Worked perfectly. I have pics but bummer I can't add a picture here.
테슬라 모델3 퍼포먼스는 뉘르 한바퀴도 제대로 못 돌고 브레이크 불나고 배터리 과열되서 출력 떨어지더군요 그에 반에 아이오닉5 N은 연속으로 무제한 돌수 있습니다 열제어 회생제동 모터 샤시 완벽한 차체와 최고급 한국 K배터리 조합으로 테슬라 자동차를 월등히 능가 합니다. V2L기능으로 캠핑도 가능한 슈퍼카 아이오닉5 N입니다
Its a little frustrating that he keeps saying the I5N is not worth the bigger price tag and that he talks about the fun noise as the fun factor. This is so much more car than the Tesla. I mean, name one other car on the market that has an actual drift setting and sends all power to the rear wheels. Come on.
Literally the Model 3 Performance shown in this video, it has a drift preset along with the ability to change the handling balance. You can send all power to the rear, front, or anything in between. This display also shows a display for g-forces, drivetrain temperatures, and a lap timer. This feature has been in the Model 3 Performance since around 2019 when they added Track Mode.
Great, that is your call, but idk how that purely subjective, fanboy-like dedication is any relevant to anyone aside from yourself. What's next, you'd even take the M3P over Lucid? lol
99.9% ev owners dont take their ev to the track. The 0.1% that takes them to the track also uses their ev as daily driver. cant beat m3p as a daily driver.
@@senadhasanbasic260 That is not even remotely true. Good luck having fun on the road in an LMP1 car. Conversely your car doesn't need to have great track performance to be plenty of fun on the road. A 60s Eldorado drop top is super enjoyable and memorable on the road but will crap itself on a track. Track driving and on road enjoyment are two entirely separate things.
The Hyundai has a far higher average charging date. The 10-80% average charging rate for the Hyundai is 190kW, the Tesla is just under 100kW. Tesla like to boast about its charging rate, but it is short lived. The charging curve for the Tesla is very peaky but the Hyundai is very flat.
@@teeminator30My comment is correcting a misleading statement in the video, that the Tesla charges faster than the Hyundai, but it doesn't. Tesla have very peaky charging curves, so they boast they can charge fast in their marketing literature, but the average charge rate - which is what matters - is far below the peak. If you want to pick apart the other advantages and disadvantages of each car, well that's a whole different discussion.
@@vasil7410 Tesla charges faster miles at the same time. Unfortunately Hyundai charges fewer miles in the same Time. And on the other hand Tesla is more efficient. Actually I think Tesla is roughly 20% more efficient than comparable cars.
@@spacep0dThe review is for the M3P, I don't know what the CT has to do with the discussion. Anyway, 250kW is just the peak rate for the M3P, but the peak rate doesn't last long at all. Look up charging curves to see what's happening. So may people just believe the Tesla hype without finding out the facts.
Model 3 Performance does 10-80% in 27 minutes, not 15 minutes. Ioniq 5 charges a lot faster for a lot longer than the Model 3. Model 3 makes up for that with much less consumption thanks to much better aero, but the Ioniq 5 is a much bigger car with a lot more space.
When you guys did the launch races you had it in the n-shift which reduces performance and didn't use NGB. The N will still be slower overall but it can be faster than what was shown.
@@krane15 on a very short track the Model 3 works. But it miserably fails on the nurburgring. I watched Misha's video. Not only did the brakes overheat 1/4th way into the lap but it also reduced power by 50% during the lap. The latter you cannot fix. On the other hand the Ioniq 5N did beautifully on the nurburgring for at least 1 lap. Hyundai claims it can do 2 including fast charging without thermal issues. But on the road the Model 3 excels. It always had been decent but the highland version perfects it. I just hope we see a track version with detuned plaid motors and a big brake kit. It weighs 800lbs less than the N which should make it excellent on track
Excellent head to head review. I think the Hyundai N is faster when the sound modes are turned off and you use it in purely EV mode. ( ie- no false rev limit mode)
Good video. I would have to drive both, because steering tightness is very important to me, and my new Model 3 Highland RWD/SR has fantastic steering compared to a regular Hyundaii Ioniq 5 AWD Limited I had for a while. But if the steering is as tight in sports mode on the N, and I could afford it, I’d take it for sure.
Why couldn't you do a proper straight line test? In the ones you did, you have 2 people in ioniq 5 vs 1 person in m3p. Also does the boost function make a difference? I have been in both, new m3p is much better built compared to the old one (given how bad the older m3's are this is not a big feat) but it is still a budget-oriented interior and the possible problems with the first year model, no stalks/gauge cluster are turn offs.
Happy Monday from Germany 😎 Very nice comparison. I own my I5N 6 weeks and I really love it. In the city as mutch as on the Autobahn. A few days ago a friend of mine thought that it is a hybrid because of the sound and the feeling in shifting and exhaust mode 😁 For my wife the car is only a car but my kids love it very much. Much more than my wife's Volkswagen 🤣
If you go with the stealth gray on the m3p and qualify for the $7500 tax credit, you really can't beat the value for under 50k. So I'm surprised no one mentioned it
Ear to ear grins from everyone in the I5N! From a pure smiles per mile I'd take the I5N. Shout out to M3P for being incredibly fast but understated in looks.
Too bad the Ioniq 5 is an SUV Crossover and a lot more expensive. It would have been cool if Hyundai committed to a hot hatch size/design. The front of the Ioniq is a hot origami mess, but the rear is cool. The Ioniq is just too large overall. Weird proportions. Hyundai range isn't great either. I really love Hyundai's audio feedback engine samples. It would be cool if Tesla had that optionally, with downloadable configurations for different-sounding sportscars. Is that only heard inside the vehicle, presumably? I like that LED display too. I gotta admit, if Tesla makes this available I'll be chuffed. It could easily be an OTA update. On the Tesla you're supposed to use two hands around the logo to gently close the hood. Bendy sheet metal, apparently. The Tesla's handles absolutely look better with a color-match, in this case in white. Tesla of course can use any Supercharger with the port in the best location. Hyundai owners will be able to use it soon, but not yet as far as I know. I would imagine the Hyundai doesn't charge as quickly as a Tesla, because few EVs do. The new V4 chargers go up to 350kw, which the CT can utilize best. I would imagine other Teslas will be able to charge at this speed soon enough, perhaps with an OTA update. On the Tesla you can tap the charge icon (in the app) to close the charge door. I do wish the app had a way to fold/unfold mirrors, but you can do this with voice command too ("Fold/Unfold Mirrors"). The badge is a 'Performance' badge but it looks just like the Ludicrous badge. It's nothing like the Plaid badge. What's nice too is that you can move the front seats from the rear control screen. Handy for getting in and out, or finding a happy medium for both front and rear seat passengers. Tesla's software is hard to beat too, along with their OTA updates (and FSD).
Just had a overnight test drive of the model 3 performance and it was absolutely brilliant. Savage acceleration and insaine handling. I currently own a 2020 model 3 Long range and love it. I have arranged a test drive of the Ioniq 5 N which will happen next week. Ive been so impressed with it from reviews ive seen Hyundai have done a fantastic job, so i need to see does it live up to the hype in real life. It it can lane keep as well as Tesla's autopilot then i may be really tempted to switch to the ioniq N. Love this comparison video and agree with the outcome you cant go wrong with any of these two cars if your a performance minded driver.
@@CaliSteve169 you said cartoonish but that wasn’t subjective? Most of the coolest cars ever made are the ones you rarely or never see, I don’t dislike Tesla, the model S still looks okay but everything else is just Meh.
@@PAB-s1 still don't get the online fascination with this Hyundai. Again, it is slower, it's range is abysmal, not a good track car due to its weight and priced near a model S. It's mostly keyboard warriors who like it because I've yet to see one on the road and Teslas are everywhere.
Real dope to see this showdown happen right in my back yard around BWI 🙌🏾 I’ve gotta agree, Ionic5N is what I would’ve wanted in my pocket rocket days, but now with a family I just want a sleeper rocket with a frunk. Glad the Ionic5N exists tho - love what it’s doing!!
@@CaliSteve169wrong, actually the complete opposite, the ioniq 5 N is one of the few EV’s that can do more than one laps around the nürburgring, search “Misha Charoudin ioniq 5 N” here in youtube, that thing is a beast around the track
This was great guys. Enjoyed it thoroughly. As a 2023 Model Y LR owner, I was thinking about converting another of our ICE cars to a Model 3 Performance. I just road tripped our Y from Long Island, NY to Orlando, FL. Because the Y was so comfortable and autopilot is a great aid on the highway (no I don’t think it’s really full self driving and I find it annoying quite frankly on streets), I ended up driving through the night and taking a couple of naps in the car with climate control on at all times, never shutting it off. I also had our dog with me and it’s easy to travel in the heat with a pet in the Tesla due to pet mode. I’d gladly buy another one. Agree with Rob though on the customer service experience compared with a traditional dealer model, However, I didn’t find the glass roof that bad in Orlando summer heat. It seems to do an impressive job versus other sunroofs / large glass moonroofs I’ve had with cooking you the least without a shade. To some extent, I think it’s a “hack” in the winter (when sunny) for efficiency. The Tesla can even take cabin heat and move it into the battery in the winter to keep its temperature higher while the car is parked.
Why any one would buy a Hyundai is beyond me. Everyone I know who had Hyundais had major problems with the cars. This ioniq5 is 80k plus taxes here In Canada. For a Hyundai!!!
@@ivalterbaptista2305 We all know you're just pulling things out of your ass. Grow up. Lying to make some claims on the internet is so childish and dumb.
I love when Rob is in front of the camera! You guys have such great banter and chemistry! Thanks for the comparison! Not an EV but I'm also moving back to a sedan, my 2025 Camry XSE is coming to port next week!
If you're actually buying either to track or even drive 'recklessly', it should be a no brainer. The new Highland M3P is a good upgrade, but it's cooling is still not up to snuff and it's still dangerously underbraked. Misha Charoudin who takes cars on the Nurburging, just did a Highland M3P and it lasted like a minute before the brakes started smoking.
Agreed if you're comparing stock to stock, but for the price difference between the two, you could swap in some really nice brakes and still be thousands under the 5N's base price. The 5 N starts at almost 70 grand, while the Model 3 is 55 grand, meaning it qualifies for the tax credit and you could save another $7,500 if you're eligible for that.
No question is that if the reason for buying a car is to run the Nurburgring, the Hyundai is the better choice. For any other use, including fast street driving, it’s the Tesla.
@@dangrass I5N is 1.5x the size of M3. I think I would take I5N for everyday use as well. I5N is also an SUV/Hatchback so it is way more practical. You can't use the full extent of either car's power on the street unless you have a death wish or want to get pulled over and get arrested right away. So M3P can't use its full power neither on the track or on the street.
The Model 3 Performance costs $53,990, while the Ioniq 5 N has an MSRP of $66,100. That's a $13k difference. The Model 3's will give you $7,500 back at the point of sale. The actual price of the Model 3 Performance is $45,490, not even including incentives at a state level. Factor that in, and the price difference is $20k. If you do not think $20K is a big deal, get a Model S plaid, it is only $20K more than the 5N.
@@JohnLee-db9zt The issue originates from the integrated charging control unit (ICCU). Hyundai first noticed a pattern in warranty returns relating to the part in October 2022 and commenced an investigation into heat damage on the low-voltage converter field effect transistors. In April 2023, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) started its own investigation into the matter after receiving reports of vehicles experiencing a loss of motive power while on the road. Eventually, Hyundai determined that, under specific conditions, the ICCU’s internal components could fuse, hindering the charging of the 12-volt battery. In the U.S., the automakers plan to start reaching out to owners on May 14. They will be asked to return their vehicles to a nearby dealer, where a technician will update the ICCU software to prevent overcurrents and implement voltage peak reductions at the end of the high-voltage battery charging to protect the component. If necessary, the ICCU fuse will also be replaced at no cost.The issue originates from the integrated charging control unit (ICCU). Hyundai first noticed a pattern in warranty returns relating to the part in October 2022 and commenced an investigation into heat damage on the low-voltage converter field effect transistors. In April 2023, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) started its own investigation into the matter after receiving reports of vehicles experiencing a loss of motive power while on the road. Eventually, Hyundai determined that, under specific conditions, the ICCU’s internal components could fuse, hindering the charging of the 12-volt battery. In the U.S., the automakers plan to start reaching out to owners on May 14. They will be asked to return their vehicles to a nearby dealer, where a technician will update the ICCU software to prevent overcurrents and implement voltage peak reductions at the end of the high-voltage battery charging to protect the component. If necessary, the ICCU fuse will also be replaced at no cost. Actually, the Hyundai ICCU sucks.
The 5N is the only other EV on the market other than the Taycan to offer (as standard!) a proper LSD in the rear and has the software calibrated to send all of the power to the back to be able to at least properly rotate the rear end let alone straight up hoon. Massive props to the M3P for still giving you a Drift mode and being able to slide around a car with an open diff, but unlike the other RWD platform EV's that catch my attention, Teslas are the only ones that can get an aftermarket LSD for the rear. Massive respect to both in terms of performance capabilities but the Hyundai of all things has the correct mechanical equipment for my tastes. The Koreans have come a long way.
In the Carwow dragrace Matt Watson says the Ioniq 5 N is faster if you turn off the fake sounds and gear shifts. It makes sense since it adds the gear shift jerks and maybe also has fake torque curve for each "gear" instead of a linear (more powerful) curve.
carwow tested UK M3P which is slower than the US version due to batteries being non Panasonic. So that is not the same. The US M3P is like 0.6s quicker to 1/4 than what carwow was testing.
Failed opportunity here. You are the only channel to drag race these two cars, the two most enthusiast oriented EV’s and you just rushed it in the middle of the highway.
Hardly. Ioniq 5n average 1/4 mile is like 11.0 @ 123 and m3p is like 10.9 @ 123. Both have run quicker and slower. That’s pretty darn close, enough that’d I’d like to see an actual head to head race under the same exact conditions.
I can't believe Hyundai has such a unique and well-executed product with this Ioniq5 N. Tesla is on its own mission and is great in its own way, but boy do all the other manufacturers have a lot of catch-up to play with Hyundai.
@@GuiGabois296mi for the Tesla vs 221mi for Ioniq 5N Both garbage. People who buy EVs don’t road trip I guess. Both enough for city driving. I’d take 221 fun miles over 296 boring ones.
@@OmarZ77 Non-issue and people blow it out of proportion. You don't drive hours straight on road trips. You take brakes. WIth modern battery and charging technology, around 20 minutes is enough to juice the car back up. 20 minutes is a reasonable break to take to go to the bathroom, stretch, etc.
@@trstnhn James May said it best (and he likes EVs), that this argument about taking breaks is meh, because you’re assuming my appetite and my need for a bathroom and my tiredness are exactly in sync with the battery. They’re not. What if the restaurant I’m stopping at isn’t near a Superchager, then I’ll have to stop twice. I occasionally take 400mi road trips (NY to Montreal). An EV does not work well for me at all. But I’m sure it works for those in the city.
What is with the complaint about the button to close the charge door? It closes on it's own once you unplug. Seems like they are struggling to dislike the 3.
The thing is, you don't get it for the range. Like you don't get a corvette or porsche for it's gas mileage. Plus, the charging is much faster so it's not much of a big deal
@@shortroundChris at the end of the day it's still a 4 door hatchback and an EV at that. Range will always be a deal. And it's also missing quite few features compared to the 3 5N is a track star, but the model 3 is a better street car/all rounder.
I absolutely loved the Tesla buying experience. Everything is done on the app and i only spent a few minutes with a person when i picked it up. Theres no haggling with sales and finance people. And i didn't have to pay any dumb dealer fees. It was the best experience I've ever had buying a car.
What a bullshit!!! Ordering process for a Porsche/Audi/BMW is so much nicer! Dedicated person you meet in beautiful saloons, drinks are being served, you can configure on the big screen, choose colors, feel materials. On delivery it's in a special room, photos taken and so on. Don't hype the poor man , cost reduced, minimalistic Tesla crap just because they don't have the dealership locations! 🙈
I'm WAY more fond of Kia styling than Hyundai styling... and I'm really hoping that they update the EV6 GT to match the I5N in the future. Almost everyone I hear talk about the I5 loves the way it looks, but I like the EV6's sleek appearance more than the angular creases of the I5. Either way, though, Hyundai / Kia wins.
I have both cars on my list to test when I buy my next car which will be an EV. Watching the video is making me lean towards the I5N as the M3P seems so vanilla side-by-side. Also waiting on the MYP refresh before making my decision. Good review!
M3p can be had for 47000 with instant tax rebate if you chose the grey color and black interior. Therefore it is $20000 cheaper than a Ioniq N. Also good luck getting the Ioniq at MSRP. After dealer mark ups you would pay at least 25-30 thousand dollar more than a m3p. And for what? Lesser tech, lesser comfort (no powered seat? R u kidding?), lesser speed and no sunroof? But they said “ Tesla is only good for daily driving and not good in tracks like the Ioniq N.” Wow! Am I missing something here? When did track become more important than daily driving? Only 0.1% ev owners will take their ev to a track. But 100% ev owners are daily drivers.
22:16 the regular Ioniq 5 never had the heated seats in the back in the US market. It's the EV6 that has it. They also took out the HUD in the US market but Canada has it. Smh. The Vision roof is available in other markets. The US market got the shaft when it comes to the 5N. So sad. The 5N seems like a lot of fun but it's to racer boy in styling for me at my age. This is why I went with the EV6 GT instead earlier this year knowing all the missing features of the US 5N.
I agree the Y is the more accurate comparison. The 3 may compete when it comes to speed but beyond that they don’t seem to be in the same space. Don’t like the 3 wheels but I like the updated noise. Cheers to the adaptive suspension. The rear of the 3 is giving Volvo and I like it. Sunroof would be nice but a powered driver’s seat would be my first priority. I 1000% prefer the physical controls and traditional gauge cluster. It’s a much less distracting driving experience for me. Hyundai 100% needs to offer lighter interior options. The white seats in the 3 look really good. The interior is more premium. The trim doesn’t line up correctly and the lights aren’t the same 🤣. The software in the Teslas is pretty comprehensive. Sofyan should’ve sat behind the passenger seat in the 3. Your chiropractor’s grandchildren will thank you for that rear seat entertainment screen. The customization in the 5 is awesome. Choice is the spice of life. I’m fine with the price of the 5 if they included powered seats, & heated rear seats.
Good review, thank you. Except you constantly mention the Model Y as a Tesla alternative, but unfortunately not the Model S, which is a tremendous sedan and value. -S Plaid owner
Happy Friday guys! This might be the most requested comparison test we've had in a LONG time. Big shoutout to Rob for letting us borrow his car and to our editor Martin for filming it all. There are no shortages of quick EV's on sale today, but these two might just be our favorites, we want to know below, which one would you actually choose? The more visceral feeling hot hatch that sounds and feels like you're driving a race simulator... or the car that let's you play video games in the screen driving in silence, but gives you the more impressive tech and infotainment system? Let us know below!
Tesla's lack of buttons, knobs, dials kills it for me. I do wish the Hyundai was as light as the Tesla. The mock sounds are awesome since they are able to be turned on or off. Yeah, I'd take the Hyundai.
@@theredline I have the M3P, I did post a comment regarding this in the feed. Price was a big factor, The I5N is over 30K more than the M3P in Australia. I’ll do track day through the week and make a post of what I find. I think the noises and emulated gear shift in the I5N (which i have driven on track) would be a novelty that would wear off. An EV is an EV, the advantages of being able to hear the tyres if one reason you would not want the noise. Driving in silence with an awesome sound system is like being in a space ship!
I was highly suspicious, but this video removes all doubt. lol
lol
this guy thinks higher peak charging power equals faster charging lol
Ioniq is a perfect one car, can go to track in the morning and stop by Home Depot and Costco in the afternoon.
Nope…terrible highway range is it’s Achilles heal!
@@jezza6575 That’s no problem for me. I’ll just simply pull out the UNO Reverse Card. Fixes that problem.😎
You can do that in most cars.
@@jezza6575nobody is buying this car for road trips
and then have to charge it twice! lol. Range is a joke for the money
Ioniq 5N🔥
14 Things Revealed About the Ioniq 5N Nürburgring Lap Time
1.The Sport Auto channel released a video on January 18, 2024, showing the Ioniq 5N’s Nürburgring lap time of 7 minutes and 45 seconds.
2. One lap of the Nürburgring, a motorsports circuit located in Nürburg, western Germany, is 20.8 km (or 20.6 km).
3. The Nürburgring has 154 corners, and the height difference between the courses reaches 300 meters.
4. The Ioniq 5N electric vehicle completed two laps of the Nürburgring, demonstrating a maximum speed of 260 km/h and a battery temperature of up to 46 degrees Celsius.
5. When genuine electric cars from other manufacturers (typically Tesla) are taken to a race circuit, the brakes do not hold up, and the battery overheats, limiting output.
6. Therefore, the Ioniq 5N required a new braking method that could surpass mechanical brakes. Brakes wear more heavily the heavier the vehicle and the faster the speed. It is widely accepted
that track driving with mechanical brakes alone is nearly impossible for electric vehicles, which are 40% heavier than heat-resistant locomotives and have high output. However, Hyundai solved this problem by maximizing regenerative braking, a characteristic of electric vehicles.
7. In particular, ‘N Brake Regen,’ which can recover energy up to a high deceleration range of up to 0.6G using regenerative braking, was developed and applied to the Ioniq 5N. 0.6G is the deceleration level in an internal combustion engine vehicle when the mechanical brake is applied hard and the vehicle stops suddenly.
8. Additionally, the Ioniq 5N has improved heat dissipation performance by increasing the thermal conductivity of the heat dissipation material applied between the battery cell and cooling channel. In addition, ‘N Battery Preconditioning’ technology, which provides optimal driving conditions by cooling or preheating the battery to an appropriate temperature before driving, was also applied to the Ioniq 5N.
Reasons Why Lap Times of Electric Vehicles from Other Manufacturers Except Hyundai and KIA Cannot Be Trusted
9. Regarding Nürburgring lap times, the lap times of other electric vehicle manufacturers are less reliable.
10. Typically, in the case of Tesla, when measuring the Nürburgring lap time, it is done with a non-mass-produced car.
11. In other words, better brakes and suspension than the mass-produced car are installed, with different parts from the mass-produced car, and the lap time is measured.
12. Simply put, other manufacturers use unconventional methods to measure lap times for show.
13. However, Hyundai and KIA directly provide mass-produced vehicles to credible media to measure them.
14. The final conclusion is that Hyundai and KIA are confident in their performance and reliability.
You know very accurate facts. Very good, 😀 👍
Just a side note but regenerative braking is generally turned off in EVs when used on a track as it causes additional heat in the cooling loops for the motors and battery. You're charging the battery and this process produces heat.
Most EV drivers on track prefer having the heat in the brakes over the heat in the drivetrain as usually it's the drivetrain that gets thermal throttled before the brakes fade. :)
At the end of the day, just like with any car, you can upgrade the cooling system with aftermarket parts. A bit more complicated with Tesla though as they use excess motor heat to heat the battery for charging and to heat the cabin, the whole system is very specialized and not really off the shelf parts.
@@VoxelLoopㅁ ㅓㄴ소리여?
@@VoxelLoop Aftermarket cooling system for EVs? I don't think I would disrupt the delicate ev factory cooling system.
The thing is that if you are one of the few (0.005%) that take the 3P to nurburgring, you have to spend a few 1000 dollars on brake upgrades.
If you do autox or dragracing, you dont need to upgrade the brakes, same with sporty driving in the mountains. If you do autox, an wheel swap to a square 265 or 275 setup will help a lot. At dragracing the oem wheels are very light wheel (forged), so there is no reason to swap tires or wheels for dragracing or street.
With the brake upgrades, you turn off the regen so the overheat issues are no longer there. Even with the upgrades, at least in Norway, you will have saved tens of thousands of dollars compared to buying the 5N and running it stock. The 3P will then also still run much further per charge than the 5N.
The Model 3 is also lower, it is much lighter and more engaging to do corners in - as you sit lower.
Of course if you do nurburgring I would also move away from staggered wheels and do square tires so you get more grip up front. 265 or 275 square.
Then you would be able to outhandle a lot of cars which are way more expensive. Of course you cant beat every car out there, but you can at least have very much fun for "ok price".
Not to say that the 5N is a bad car, I like the engineering of Hyundai/Kia, also Tesla and others, but its not like any car is perfect at everything.
Especially the range of the 5N can be an issue when doing track days, same with the added weight and high seating position as its a crossover.
Hyundai Ioniq 5N 🥰
For the win!
I think the people who designed the 5N are a bunch of hooligans with a good sense of style.
The Hyundai looks ugly!
There’s way too much going on with the design!
It’s overstyled…
The artificial "engine" sounds also don’t help it…
It’s ridiculous!
Great job Hyundai!
I would consider it if it goes 300+ miles per charge. At 220 miles per charge, forget quick weekend getaways. Hope they work on that.
I live in Houston and actually used the V2L feature to charge my Anker F3800 home backup batteries during our latest 6 day hurricane outage. It was a lifesaver. So glad I was able to quickly find the V2L adapter.
Underrated feature - house backup!
There’s a German guy on tiktok/Instagram that went around the Nurburgring in the Hyundai Ion5 N. That thing was blowing everything out of the water.
Except the Tesla
@@westnashTSLA overheated everything 😂
@@westnashthe new M3P brakes caught on fire and cut power output less than halfway through the lap.😂
@@blckscletoo bad in EU they get nerfed battery on new model 3P, in USA we get better Panasonic battery, which is still holding back the power from the motors. I also think it’s why it overheated the battery so fast, it’s smaller battery on more powerful motor.
@Areku06 I believe it's all about software battery management along with the battery quality. Battery side, at least. 🔋
The price difference between the 2 in Australia is over 30K, with the Tesla being more affordable. I’ve driven both and got the Tesla mainly due to the price, but I’m also looking forward to FSD and I prefer cars over SUV’s. My previous car was an i30N which I tracked regularly without issue, apart from some brake fade which was manageable. From what I’ve seen the Tesla is going to struggle with brakes and overheating issues, so i will find that out soon enough. As a road car and on back roads, the Tesla is amazing. Since most people never track their cars, any of the Tesla’s inadequacies would be irrelevant. I5N is engineered for 20 minutes sessions on track, and at the N Festival last year in Sydney where I drove the car, they did this all day long.
Good to see a comment from a Tesla owner who’s not a brainwashed Tesla fan girl and gives a balanced perspective on these EVs.
@@JohnLee-db9ztthat's because he's driven both. Most here has either driven tesla or driven none and are just haters.
I'm in exactly the same boat. On an even cost basis, I'd probably go the Hyundai, but here in Australia its hard to overlook the benefits of the leasing FBT exemption on the Tesla. I ended up going M3P for that reason and its an awesome car.
I'm the same. Driven both, loved both. Went the M3P in the end purely on price on a lease with the EV GST/FBT saving. Unlike others I personally didn't like the look of the N, but the Tesla isn't perfect either. Miss my HUD that's in my Kia. Ultimately you'd be happy with either though. They're awesome!
@@JohnLee-db9zt As another owner of the 2024 Model 3 Performance, and had a 2019 Model 3 Performance before it:
The I5N is a great track car, better on the track than the M3P.
But... I'd say the M3P boasts more benefits outside of the track.
The Model 3 is lower, has a more sporty stance, and in my personal opinion has a much much cleaner interior with higher quality materials. The I5N interior looks really cluttered, but I have to say I'm likely biased as I've owned a Tesla for 5 years and very quickly adapted to a clean, minimalist interior. It's a preference for sure.
Biggest benefit from the Model 3 is the constant software updates and the highly capable onboard computers. When I got my original 2019 Model 3 Performance it didn't have Sentry Mode (Dashcam built in), it gained better charging speeds and acceleration, better braking through an ABS update, several entire UI changes, along with many changes to the self-driving software and active safety features.
And of course, Track Mode! All for free, downloaded over WiFi at home.
Overall... For street use, I'd say the M3P is my personal preference, for track use the I5N is more capable. Depends where you spend the most time and what your preferences are I suppose.
Both of these cars are amazing imo, its crazy how good high performance EVs have gotten
And how affordable to, as both of these cars are 20-40k under any comparable new ice segment competitors! 👍🏻😎
A 24 m3p brand new for under 50% of the cost without factoring inflation of a 2014 p100d ms will smoke it in everyway! 😀
@@4literv6 In what world is the 5n affordable? It's almost 70k
@@Ignacio.Romerohe’s comparing it to ice cars with the same amount of performance. So high end cars that cost 80k+. A new m4 completion starts at 83k.
The 5N comes with the glass roof as an option overseas. A shame it isn’t available here. Still… Much prefer the 5N overall, I also disagree with the comp to the smaller M3P vs a MYP. I wasn’t looking for a sedan when purchasing. I needed a hatchback style and more backseat room, so the Y was the comp. I much prefer the 5N and am pleased with the purchase.
I’d consider it if the range wasn’t horrible
@@josephquinto5812 my commute is 5-8 city miles per day depending on route. Have been able to squeeze between 230-247 or so if I focus on that (and the weather has been right; haven't seen winter in this car yet). Edmunds squeezed 250. Our other car is our big road tripper. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ this one is A LOT of fun.
Nice to see Rob on camera!!! Good job guys!
Thanks Bern! We need to do another Collab soon :D
@@theredlineyesss we do!!
@@theredline yes you guys do it was a lot of fun
I love both, but the ioniq 5n is more fun to drive.
Nice, been waiting for this comparison!
Ioniq5 N now, or Magma later? Thinking I'll wait, but the N is very tempting.
Magma !!
Hyundai said they have something even better than 5N coming. I'm guessing that's Magma. But Magma being Genesis, it will be more expensive, and with the increase price better performance should be guaranteed unless Hyundai doesn't want to sell Magmas.
Gv60 magma has more power, more grip, more comfort...n more pricy tag.
You shouldn't forget the Ioniq6N. Lower center of gravity, better software, better battery. Hang in there a little longer.
ioniq6n !!!!!
It seems hyundai is having good momentum on its ev sales. It just depends on what type of EV you want, but I feel personally that the hyundai styling is much better
The Hyundai looks ugly!
There’s way too much going on with the design!
It’s overstyled…
The artificial "engine" sounds also don’t help it…
It’s ridiculous!
@@Kev27RSyou have very interesting playlists lmao
@@hlcapa What do you mean?
I just pre order ioniq 5N, cant wait to drive in
I'd get the N if i could actually get either one. The N is really unique and the first time I've seen an EV engineered to have a lively driving experience, which has been a challenge for auto makers to pull off. Also, a bit random, but I love good looking steering wheels and the N has one of the coolest wheels
It has the best looking steering wheels of all EVs.
Small detail, but all the buttons light up at night so you can read them, didn't expect that.
Every person (without exception) who's mentioned the sun coming through the pano roof on my Model Y has stated how surprised they are that they can't feel the heat from it at all. In fact, I had someone in it just yesterday going to lunch in the mid-day direct overhead sun while we're experiencing near record temperatures in Salt Lake City, and he was blown away by how great the view while feeling like it was covered like a normal roof.
Im really liking this video format! Good job guys🔥
Glass roofs are a personal thing and should be optional. They are terrible for people in very hot climates.
@@OrionDC
No,
The Sky View Roof is Fixed, and does not open,,Period!
@@hyundaiveloster6437 the glass roof can be covered at the push of a button. ruclips.net/video/N2zClYARhHg/видео.htmlsi=mpL_wu5ABcDJGedq
@@hyundaiveloster6437 look at the car before you comment. The Ioniq’s have push-button glass roof covers. 🤦🏾♂️
ruclips.net/video/N2zClYARhHg/видео.htmlsi=aKA31-XSGVkrsLCX
The Ioniqs (5 & 6) have a push-button OEM blind that can cover the “vision” glass roof. That feature is also an option for the 5N overseas but NOT in North America, which is a shame.
It’s called tints and sunshades buddy. Never heard of that??
Good stuff Sofyan. EV is getting great
Take the cars to the track, and then you will see why Ioniq 5N costs $10k-15k more. For street driving, M3P is plenty capable.
I've been to many track days and auto crosses.....never seen a Ferrari tracked. So what does that tell you? What do you say to the Ferrari owners?
Let’s see it then
@@guru2899I say congratulations on the Ferrari, far better than a Tesla. 😂
So have I and have seen many ferraris
@@guru2899What does Ferrari owners have anything to do with N cars? N are daily cars meant for the track. Ferraris are just glorified garage queens.
i just have to say the timing of that intro and the music was chef’s kiss
Isn't the difference higher due to the M3P getting Federal EV rebate? It shows $47.4K after rebate vs $68K so $20K difference isn't something most can ignore.
Without the Fed tax credit, it’s 55k.
It's not a rebate, but a Tax Credit.
Which most families do not qualify for.
Simply put, if you have a deficit at the end of the year on your taxes.
The Government will forgive up to $7500 of that which is owed. If it is less, then it will only cover the lesser amount. And that it.
@hyundaiveloster6437 they literally take 7500 off the price of the car, so no, that's not how it works
@@hyundaiveloster6437 nope. Starting this year, the tax credit applies at time of sale.
@sevenflashowls
Yes,
I Understand that the Manufacturer-"Tesla" is getting the Tax Credit from the Feds.
And then passing down a discount to the consumer.
Sure, Even Hyundai is doing the same thing to move more vehicles off the lots.
But if that's the main reason or 1 of the main factor of buying a Tesla over anything else, What does it, or what is it saying about that vehicle?
For me,, Tesla just doesn't do anything for me.
The Hyundai looks so much better than the boring TESLA.
The Hyundai looks ugly!
There’s way too much going on with the design!
It’s overstyled…
The artificial "engine" sounds also don’t help it…
It’s ridiculous!
The Hyundai Ioniq5 N electric vehicle has the best economy and supercar performance. No brand can surpass this level.👍👍👍👍
At $10,000 more than the faster Tesla, very hard to justify the “economy” and the “supercar performance”.
It's a much larger car. A performance family car. @@teeminator30
Economy? It barely has a 200 mile range.
This was cool, do you guys do comparison reviews like this once in a while? You play off each other very well!
Also Sofyan is a machine! Rattling off stats like crazy!
We decided to try something a little different for this video and it worked out well! May do more of these whenever we can find the time and wrangle two competitors together 😊
@@theredline It was a great video. Who knew Rob is a total natural on camera too! I also would love to hear more about Rob's miserable experience buying the tesla in a different video.
Hope Hyundai N fun trickles down to more affordable EVs in the future
It’s nice to see Rob on camera and he did a great job with the Acura MDX Type S video when Acura refreshed the car so it’s nice to see him here in front of the camera once again 👏👏
I love the comparison review videos it makes it easier to understand the cars.
There are no electric seats in the 5 N because they couldn't fit the seats as low as they wanted them to with the electric motors etc. I drove the M3P (first version) for about 3 years, now driving a hybrid, and I think I'm going for the 5 N this time. In the EU we do get the pano roof, shades and HUD, so some plus point for the 5 N here. I would certainly enjoy both, but the 5N checks some more boxes for me (also some more space in the back for the not so small kids anymore ;) )
Oh, and BTW prices are pretty similar here too. Not the manufacture prices, you can get a decent discount on the 5 N, so these aren't that far apart (with the FSD spec'ed, that is)
What price were you able to negotiate for the 5N? The official price here in Germany is 74,900 EUR. I was able to get an offer of 66,000 EUR. The official price for the M3P is 58,490 EUR. Of course without the pseudo-FSD stuff, which I don't need anyway.
@@TorPedoCXC Price with the pano is around 70K, M3P with blue paint and white interior (as was my ex-M3P) and FSD is around 68.5K, so not a huge difference. 66K for the 5N is a great price, I don't think we can get that here
I havexa 2023 Kia EV6 and did the V2L tailgating at a concert last month. Cooked hot dogs on an electric cooked I bought from Amazon. Worked perfectly. I have pics but bummer I can't add a picture here.
테슬라 모델3 퍼포먼스는 뉘르 한바퀴도 제대로 못 돌고 브레이크 불나고 배터리 과열되서 출력 떨어지더군요
그에 반에 아이오닉5 N은 연속으로 무제한 돌수 있습니다 열제어 회생제동 모터 샤시 완벽한 차체와 최고급 한국 K배터리 조합으로 테슬라 자동차를 월등히 능가 합니다.
V2L기능으로 캠핑도 가능한 슈퍼카 아이오닉5 N입니다
I like the vibe Rob brings. I think you two are a great team! Great job!
Its a little frustrating that he keeps saying the I5N is not worth the bigger price tag and that he talks about the fun noise as the fun factor. This is so much more car than the Tesla. I mean, name one other car on the market that has an actual drift setting and sends all power to the rear wheels. Come on.
Any Tesla w/ track mode
Literally the Model 3 Performance shown in this video, it has a drift preset along with the ability to change the handling balance. You can send all power to the rear, front, or anything in between. This display also shows a display for g-forces, drivetrain temperatures, and a lap timer.
This feature has been in the Model 3 Performance since around 2019 when they added Track Mode.
id still buy model 3 performance over any other EVs even porche ev
Great, that is your call, but idk how that purely subjective, fanboy-like dedication is any relevant to anyone aside from yourself. What's next, you'd even take the M3P over Lucid? lol
@@trstnhn are you lucid fanboi
@@straden79 No, but saying you would buy M3P over Porsche is hilarious.
@@trstnhn why not? Are you porche fanboi?
@@straden79No one who can afford a Porsche prefers a Tesla over it. Lolz
Great video! I just wish you did more off the line and rolling races!!!! I personally prefer the Model 3P !
5N is much more suitable for the track. M3P is basically unable to finish a single Nurburgring lap
M3P is much more suitable for the road.
99.9% ev owners dont take their ev to the track. The 0.1% that takes them to the track also uses their ev as daily driver. cant beat m3p as a daily driver.
@@thedumbconspirator4956better track performance means more fun in driving.
@@senadhasanbasic260 That is not even remotely true. Good luck having fun on the road in an LMP1 car.
Conversely your car doesn't need to have great track performance to be plenty of fun on the road. A 60s Eldorado drop top is super enjoyable and memorable on the road but will crap itself on a track.
Track driving and on road enjoyment are two entirely separate things.
@@thedumbconspirator4956 ah, so now we are comparing a sporty hatchback to a LMP1 car. Makes sense, totally.
The Hyundai has a far higher average charging date. The 10-80% average charging rate for the Hyundai is 190kW, the Tesla is just under 100kW. Tesla like to boast about its charging rate, but it is short lived. The charging curve for the Tesla is very peaky but the Hyundai is very flat.
Max range 220 miles on the Ionic 5 N? Is this a joke? Embarrassing for 2024. No thanks! 👎
@@teeminator30My comment is correcting a misleading statement in the video, that the Tesla charges faster than the Hyundai, but it doesn't. Tesla have very peaky charging curves, so they boast they can charge fast in their marketing literature, but the average charge rate - which is what matters - is far below the peak. If you want to pick apart the other advantages and disadvantages of each car, well that's a whole different discussion.
@@vasil7410 Tesla charges faster miles at the same time. Unfortunately Hyundai charges fewer miles in the same Time. And on the other hand Tesla is more efficient. Actually I think Tesla is roughly 20% more efficient than comparable cars.
Teslas charge at 250kw regularly, and the new CTruck can charge at 350kw (V4 chargers).
@@spacep0dThe review is for the M3P, I don't know what the CT has to do with the discussion. Anyway, 250kW is just the peak rate for the M3P, but the peak rate doesn't last long at all. Look up charging curves to see what's happening. So may people just believe the Tesla hype without finding out the facts.
Model 3 Performance does 10-80% in 27 minutes, not 15 minutes. Ioniq 5 charges a lot faster for a lot longer than the Model 3. Model 3 makes up for that with much less consumption thanks to much better aero, but the Ioniq 5 is a much bigger car with a lot more space.
Great design on the N
5N any day!🤘🔥🎸 great video guys! Surprised to hear the 5N was more comfortable which is a major factor for me.
Fantastic and fun comparison
I've been waiting for this 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great to have Rob’s perspective too. You both complement each other well.
When you guys did the launch races you had it in the n-shift which reduces performance and didn't use NGB. The N will still be slower overall but it can be faster than what was shown.
Great job Rob and honorable mention to Martin
Ioniq 5 N doesnt overheat on track. Model 3 fails unfortunately. As a daily the Model 3 is great but for serious track driving avoid it.
Its track inspired.
@@krane15lol
맞아 model 3는 천천히 100km로 달린다면 문제가 생기진 않을거야 ㅋㅋㅋ. 브레이크도 자주 밟지말고 과속도 하지말아야대! 명심!
@@krane15 on a very short track the Model 3 works. But it miserably fails on the nurburgring. I watched Misha's video. Not only did the brakes overheat 1/4th way into the lap but it also reduced power by 50% during the lap. The latter you cannot fix. On the other hand the Ioniq 5N did beautifully on the nurburgring for at least 1 lap. Hyundai claims it can do 2 including fast charging without thermal issues.
But on the road the Model 3 excels. It always had been decent but the highland version perfects it. I just hope we see a track version with detuned plaid motors and a big brake kit. It weighs 800lbs less than the N which should make it excellent on track
Love the review with you and Rob giving his impressions.
If Hyundai or any other EV company make "Sentry mode" like Tesla have, then I'm sold. It's very necessary in these days.
Excellent head to head review. I think the Hyundai N is faster when the sound modes are turned off and you use it in purely EV mode. ( ie- no false rev limit mode)
Good video. I would have to drive both, because steering tightness is very important to me, and my new Model 3 Highland RWD/SR has fantastic steering compared to a regular Hyundaii Ioniq 5 AWD Limited I had for a while. But if the steering is as tight in sports mode on the N, and I could afford it, I’d take it for sure.
Steering feels great when you start pushing the N, it turns is and is playful like a much smaller car ...
Your car reviews are simply the best in the industry.
Why couldn't you do a proper straight line test? In the ones you did, you have 2 people in ioniq 5 vs 1 person in m3p. Also does the boost function make a difference?
I have been in both, new m3p is much better built compared to the old one (given how bad the older m3's are this is not a big feat) but it is still a budget-oriented interior and the possible problems with the first year model, no stalks/gauge cluster are turn offs.
Not a first year model at all…it’s a refresh!
Happy Monday from Germany 😎 Very nice comparison. I own my I5N 6 weeks and I really love it. In the city as mutch as on the Autobahn. A few days ago a friend of mine thought that it is a hybrid because of the sound and the feeling in shifting and exhaust mode 😁
For my wife the car is only a car but my kids love it very much. Much more than my wife's Volkswagen 🤣
What kind of range and efficiency are you getting?
@craig8638 @craig8638 I would say between 250 and 400 km. And about 20 and 30 kWh/100km. All regarding the speed and track.
If you go with the stealth gray on the m3p and qualify for the $7500 tax credit, you really can't beat the value for under 50k. So I'm surprised no one mentioned it
Ear to ear grins from everyone in the I5N! From a pure smiles per mile I'd take the I5N. Shout out to M3P for being incredibly fast but understated in looks.
Too bad the Ioniq 5 is an SUV Crossover and a lot more expensive. It would have been cool if Hyundai committed to a hot hatch size/design. The front of the Ioniq is a hot origami mess, but the rear is cool. The Ioniq is just too large overall. Weird proportions. Hyundai range isn't great either. I really love Hyundai's audio feedback engine samples. It would be cool if Tesla had that optionally, with downloadable configurations for different-sounding sportscars. Is that only heard inside the vehicle, presumably? I like that LED display too. I gotta admit, if Tesla makes this available I'll be chuffed. It could easily be an OTA update.
On the Tesla you're supposed to use two hands around the logo to gently close the hood. Bendy sheet metal, apparently.
The Tesla's handles absolutely look better with a color-match, in this case in white.
Tesla of course can use any Supercharger with the port in the best location. Hyundai owners will be able to use it soon, but not yet as far as I know. I would imagine the Hyundai doesn't charge as quickly as a Tesla, because few EVs do. The new V4 chargers go up to 350kw, which the CT can utilize best. I would imagine other Teslas will be able to charge at this speed soon enough, perhaps with an OTA update.
On the Tesla you can tap the charge icon (in the app) to close the charge door. I do wish the app had a way to fold/unfold mirrors, but you can do this with voice command too ("Fold/Unfold Mirrors").
The badge is a 'Performance' badge but it looks just like the Ludicrous badge. It's nothing like the Plaid badge.
What's nice too is that you can move the front seats from the rear control screen. Handy for getting in and out, or finding a happy medium for both front and rear seat passengers. Tesla's software is hard to beat too, along with their OTA updates (and FSD).
Just had a overnight test drive of the model 3 performance and it was absolutely brilliant. Savage acceleration and insaine handling. I currently own a 2020 model 3 Long range and love it. I have arranged a test drive of the Ioniq 5 N which will happen next week. Ive been so impressed with it from reviews ive seen Hyundai have done a fantastic job, so i need to see does it live up to the hype in real life. It it can lane keep as well as Tesla's autopilot then i may be really tempted to switch to the ioniq N.
Love this comparison video and agree with the outcome you cant go wrong with any of these two cars if your a performance minded driver.
5N definitely
Slower, heavier, worse range, worse charging network, more expensive. But hey, that cartoonish look is cool.
@@CaliSteve169it’s definitely cooler than that bar of soap.
@@PAB-s1 that's subjective. I've yet to see one on the road, which means that buying one makes very little sense to most people.
@@CaliSteve169 you said cartoonish but that wasn’t subjective? Most of the coolest cars ever made are the ones you rarely or never see, I don’t dislike Tesla, the model S still looks okay but everything else is just Meh.
@@PAB-s1 still don't get the online fascination with this Hyundai. Again, it is slower, it's range is abysmal, not a good track car due to its weight and priced near a model S. It's mostly keyboard warriors who like it because I've yet to see one on the road and Teslas are everywhere.
Real dope to see this showdown happen right in my back yard around BWI 🙌🏾 I’ve gotta agree, Ionic5N is what I would’ve wanted in my pocket rocket days, but now with a family I just want a sleeper rocket with a frunk. Glad the Ionic5N exists tho - love what it’s doing!!
5N all day....
That elephant is worthless on the track.
@@CaliSteve169wrong, actually the complete opposite, the ioniq 5 N is one of the few EV’s that can do more than one laps around the nürburgring, search “Misha Charoudin ioniq 5 N” here in youtube, that thing is a beast around the track
This was great guys. Enjoyed it thoroughly. As a 2023 Model Y LR owner, I was thinking about converting another of our ICE cars to a Model 3 Performance. I just road tripped our Y from Long Island, NY to Orlando, FL. Because the Y was so comfortable and autopilot is a great aid on the highway (no I don’t think it’s really full self driving and I find it annoying quite frankly on streets), I ended up driving through the night and taking a couple of naps in the car with climate control on at all times, never shutting it off. I also had our dog with me and it’s easy to travel in the heat with a pet in the Tesla due to pet mode. I’d gladly buy another one. Agree with Rob though on the customer service experience compared with a traditional dealer model, However, I didn’t find the glass roof that bad in Orlando summer heat. It seems to do an impressive job versus other sunroofs / large glass moonroofs I’ve had with cooking you the least without a shade. To some extent, I think it’s a “hack” in the winter (when sunny) for efficiency. The Tesla can even take cabin heat and move it into the battery in the winter to keep its temperature higher while the car is parked.
ioniq5n any time and any day than ANY Tesla.
this video is more of convincing a blind Tesla fanboy to take a look at much better EVs out there.
@@Visualhead_Spacer When are you going to collect yours?
Why any one would buy a Hyundai is beyond me. Everyone I know who had Hyundais had major problems with the cars. This ioniq5 is 80k plus taxes here In Canada. For a Hyundai!!!
@@ivalterbaptista2305my ‘24 Hyundai Tucson Hybrid is fast and efficient and has had zero problems.
@@PickensDon its a 2024. Talk to me in 2 years. If your in the market for a hybrid, Toyotas are the best.
@@ivalterbaptista2305 We all know you're just pulling things out of your ass. Grow up. Lying to make some claims on the internet is so childish and dumb.
I love when Rob is in front of the camera! You guys have such great banter and chemistry! Thanks for the comparison! Not an EV but I'm also moving back to a sedan, my 2025 Camry XSE is coming to port next week!
If you're actually buying either to track or even drive 'recklessly', it should be a no brainer. The new Highland M3P is a good upgrade, but it's cooling is still not up to snuff and it's still dangerously underbraked. Misha Charoudin who takes cars on the Nurburging, just did a Highland M3P and it lasted like a minute before the brakes started smoking.
Agreed if you're comparing stock to stock, but for the price difference between the two, you could swap in some really nice brakes and still be thousands under the 5N's base price. The 5 N starts at almost 70 grand, while the Model 3 is 55 grand, meaning it qualifies for the tax credit and you could save another $7,500 if you're eligible for that.
@@det_tf2 The issue with M3P is more than just brakes and the other issues u can't even fix
No question is that if the reason for buying a car is to run the Nurburgring, the Hyundai is the better choice. For any other use, including fast street driving, it’s the Tesla.
@@trstnhnimproving cooling on the Tesla isn’t easy. But then removing 900 lbs and doubling efficiency on the Hyundai is impossible.
@@dangrass I5N is 1.5x the size of M3. I think I would take I5N for everyday use as well. I5N is also an SUV/Hatchback so it is way more practical.
You can't use the full extent of either car's power on the street unless you have a death wish or want to get pulled over and get arrested right away. So M3P can't use its full power neither on the track or on the street.
That Ioniq looks really cool tbh, especially next to that white starbuckmobile.
Rob could host his own RUclips channel. He is actually natural in front of the camera.
Nice video !
Drive the tesla 3 preformens , i have no problem vid the turn signal after three time drivning tesla 😉
The Model 3 Performance costs $53,990, while the Ioniq 5 N has an MSRP of $66,100. That's a $13k difference. The Model 3's will give you $7,500 back at the point of sale. The actual price of the Model 3 Performance is $45,490, not even including incentives at a state level. Factor that in, and the price difference is $20k.
If you do not think $20K is a big deal, get a Model S plaid, it is only $20K more than the 5N.
in Australia the model 3 is $89,000 and the ioniq is about $120,000 that's a big difference
But plaid still sucks.
@@JohnLee-db9zt The issue originates from the integrated charging control unit (ICCU). Hyundai first noticed a pattern in warranty returns relating to the part in October 2022 and commenced an investigation into heat damage on the low-voltage converter field effect transistors.
In April 2023, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) started its own investigation into the matter after receiving reports of vehicles experiencing a loss of motive power while on the road. Eventually, Hyundai determined that, under specific conditions, the ICCU’s internal components could fuse, hindering the charging of the 12-volt battery.
In the U.S., the automakers plan to start reaching out to owners on May 14. They will be asked to return their vehicles to a nearby dealer, where a technician will update the ICCU software to prevent overcurrents and implement voltage peak reductions at the end of the high-voltage battery charging to protect the component. If necessary, the ICCU fuse will also be replaced at no cost.The issue originates from the integrated charging control unit (ICCU). Hyundai first noticed a pattern in warranty returns relating to the part in October 2022 and commenced an investigation into heat damage on the low-voltage converter field effect transistors.
In April 2023, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) started its own investigation into the matter after receiving reports of vehicles experiencing a loss of motive power while on the road. Eventually, Hyundai determined that, under specific conditions, the ICCU’s internal components could fuse, hindering the charging of the 12-volt battery.
In the U.S., the automakers plan to start reaching out to owners on May 14. They will be asked to return their vehicles to a nearby dealer, where a technician will update the ICCU software to prevent overcurrents and implement voltage peak reductions at the end of the high-voltage battery charging to protect the component. If necessary, the ICCU fuse will also be replaced at no cost.
Actually, the Hyundai ICCU sucks.
@@JohnLee-db9zt Why does the Plaid suck?
Great review guys! Let's not forget the M3P can be had for 47K, which is 20K less... lol
I am going with that Hyundai. All Tesla just be looking the same
Exactly.
just like BMW and MB
No you won’t and no they don’t.
@@shou635 mad
They all look like basic traffic. Nothing about it looks unique or head turning. All their interiors also look exactly the same. Pure cost cutting
The 5N is the only other EV on the market other than the Taycan to offer (as standard!) a proper LSD in the rear and has the software calibrated to send all of the power to the back to be able to at least properly rotate the rear end let alone straight up hoon. Massive props to the M3P for still giving you a Drift mode and being able to slide around a car with an open diff, but unlike the other RWD platform EV's that catch my attention, Teslas are the only ones that can get an aftermarket LSD for the rear. Massive respect to both in terms of performance capabilities but the Hyundai of all things has the correct mechanical equipment for my tastes.
The Koreans have come a long way.
Model 3 looks a lot better with the refresh 👍
Still look the same
Still looks like a duck.
@@JohnLee-db9zt Get slanty eyes checked. LMFAO SMH
Bruh it does not look the same@kromahj
@@JohnLee-db9ztdefinitely doesnt
In the Carwow dragrace Matt Watson says the Ioniq 5 N is faster if you turn off the fake sounds and gear shifts. It makes sense since it adds the gear shift jerks and maybe also has fake torque curve for each "gear" instead of a linear (more powerful) curve.
carwow tested UK M3P which is slower than the US version due to batteries being non Panasonic. So that is not the same. The US M3P is like 0.6s quicker to 1/4 than what carwow was testing.
@@cobrachannel100 It's in the Carwow dragrace against the AMG. The Ioniq 5 N is quicker without the simulated stuff.
Failed opportunity here. You are the only channel to drag race these two cars, the two most enthusiast oriented EV’s and you just rushed it in the middle of the highway.
The Model 3 is faster. The only way the 5N would come past is if the Tesla was low on charge and the 5N was full(er) charged
Hardly. Ioniq 5n average 1/4 mile is like 11.0 @ 123 and m3p is like 10.9 @ 123. Both have run quicker and slower.
That’s pretty darn close, enough that’d I’d like to see an actual head to head race under the same exact conditions.
Car wow raced them on track ionic beats the tesla
@josephquinto5812 No, it's not car wow drag them ionic won
A great and worthwhile comparison!!!! I'm excited to see more comparison's like this as more interesting EV's come out.
I ordered a Model 3 Performance with tow hitch in Europe. Its rated for 500kg/1100lbs. I will tow a small trailer for hobby stuff.
I can't believe Hyundai has such a unique and well-executed product with this Ioniq5 N. Tesla is on its own mission and is great in its own way, but boy do all the other manufacturers have a lot of catch-up to play with Hyundai.
As they should. They've been the underdog for far too long.
Have you seen the mileage range on the 5N? 200 driving like a Nun? That is garbage
@@GuiGabois296mi for the Tesla vs 221mi for Ioniq 5N
Both garbage. People who buy EVs don’t road trip I guess. Both enough for city driving. I’d take 221 fun miles over 296 boring ones.
@@OmarZ77 Non-issue and people blow it out of proportion. You don't drive hours straight on road trips. You take brakes. WIth modern battery and charging technology, around 20 minutes is enough to juice the car back up. 20 minutes is a reasonable break to take to go to the bathroom, stretch, etc.
@@trstnhn James May said it best (and he likes EVs), that this argument about taking breaks is meh, because you’re assuming my appetite and my need for a bathroom and my tiredness are exactly in sync with the battery. They’re not. What if the restaurant I’m stopping at isn’t near a Superchager, then I’ll have to stop twice.
I occasionally take 400mi road trips (NY to Montreal). An EV does not work well for me at all. But I’m sure it works for those in the city.
What is with the complaint about the button to close the charge door? It closes on it's own once you unplug. Seems like they are struggling to dislike the 3.
The app charging button closes the charge port door. Can also be closed with voice command.
Great review film!.
How’s the build quality on the new 3?
They mentioned it before the drive portion of the review.
Way, way better than a few years ago.
I own a white 23 model 3 rwd. No regrets what-so-ever. BUT Rob’s car has me drooling. If I could afford it that would be it.
I would love the Ionic 5N, but the range is just too low for me.
The thing is, you don't get it for the range. Like you don't get a corvette or porsche for it's gas mileage. Plus, the charging is much faster so it's not much of a big deal
@@shortroundChris at the end of the day it's still a 4 door hatchback and an EV at that. Range will always be a deal. And it's also missing quite few features compared to the 3
5N is a track star, but the model 3 is a better street car/all rounder.
@@shortroundChris Bad analogy, the C8 gets 27mpg hwy and the 911 25. So yeah, range matters....
The Ioniq 6N, which will drive even better AND has more range wil arrive to markets in around 12 months. Maybe that suits you better
I'm jealous. You guys are having too much fun!
I absolutely loved the Tesla buying experience. Everything is done on the app and i only spent a few minutes with a person when i picked it up. Theres no haggling with sales and finance people. And i didn't have to pay any dumb dealer fees. It was the best experience I've ever had buying a car.
What a bullshit!!! Ordering process for a Porsche/Audi/BMW is so much nicer! Dedicated person you meet in beautiful saloons, drinks are being served, you can configure on the big screen, choose colors, feel materials. On delivery it's in a special room, photos taken and so on. Don't hype the poor man , cost reduced, minimalistic Tesla crap just because they don't have the dealership locations! 🙈
I'm WAY more fond of Kia styling than Hyundai styling... and I'm really hoping that they update the EV6 GT to match the I5N in the future. Almost everyone I hear talk about the I5 loves the way it looks, but I like the EV6's sleek appearance more than the angular creases of the I5. Either way, though, Hyundai / Kia wins.
FSD works great on city streets. Spend some time driving it and you’ll see.
I have both cars on my list to test when I buy my next car which will be an EV. Watching the video is making me lean towards the I5N as the M3P seems so vanilla side-by-side. Also waiting on the MYP refresh before making my decision. Good review!
I'll take the Ioniq 5 N over any nondescript Tesla blob any day
Not me I'd take model 3 performance any day over the Korean crap
@@tonyn3227 Not me I'd take 5N any day over the American crap
@@tonyn3227Americans cant build cars to this day, so.....Hyundai here
@@origaminefretami3480meh…. My Tesla has lasted me well going on 8 years now. Glad I don’t listen to the poorly informed haters.
@@shou635 8 full years wow....very impressive for an american car indeed
Fun video. The 5N is 43k GBP(equivalent) here, has an option for sunroof, and comes with hater blockers. Which makes it a no brainer for me
M3p can be had for 47000 with instant tax rebate if you chose the grey color and black interior. Therefore it is $20000 cheaper than a Ioniq N. Also good luck getting the Ioniq at MSRP. After dealer mark ups you would pay at least 25-30 thousand dollar more than a m3p. And for what? Lesser tech, lesser comfort (no powered seat? R u kidding?), lesser speed and no sunroof? But they said “ Tesla is only good for daily driving and not good in tracks like the Ioniq N.” Wow! Am I missing something here? When did track become more important than daily driving? Only 0.1% ev owners will take their ev to a track. But 100% ev owners are daily drivers.
돈없으면 테슬라 많이 타세요.
What's most important is what's more fun to drive, the tesla is boring, and the I5N is the most fun to drive EV made.
Software software since I don’t go to the track model 3 makes more sense. Fsd blows my mind everyday.
22:16 the regular Ioniq 5 never had the heated seats in the back in the US market. It's the EV6 that has it. They also took out the HUD in the US market but Canada has it. Smh. The Vision roof is available in other markets. The US market got the shaft when it comes to the 5N. So sad. The 5N seems like a lot of fun but it's to racer boy in styling for me at my age. This is why I went with the EV6 GT instead earlier this year knowing all the missing features of the US 5N.
I agree the Y is the more accurate comparison. The 3 may compete when it comes to speed but beyond that they don’t seem to be in the same space.
Don’t like the 3 wheels but I like the updated noise. Cheers to the adaptive suspension. The rear of the 3 is giving Volvo and I like it.
Sunroof would be nice but a powered driver’s seat would be my first priority. I 1000% prefer the physical controls and traditional gauge cluster. It’s a much less distracting driving experience for me. Hyundai 100% needs to offer lighter interior options.
The white seats in the 3 look really good. The interior is more premium. The trim doesn’t line up correctly and the lights aren’t the same 🤣. The software in the Teslas is pretty comprehensive. Sofyan should’ve sat behind the passenger seat in the 3. Your chiropractor’s grandchildren will thank you for that rear seat entertainment screen.
The customization in the 5 is awesome. Choice is the spice of life.
I’m fine with the price of the 5 if they included powered seats, & heated rear seats.
Hyundai Much better than Tesla overall!
Good review, thank you. Except you constantly mention the Model Y as a Tesla alternative, but unfortunately not the Model S, which is a tremendous sedan and value. -S Plaid owner
Doesn't Tesla start losing power under 70%? Hyundai keeps on going until like 10%!!
Not this one!
That's a myth
I used my Ioniq 5 to power my fridge while power was out just this weekend when power was out for several hours.