That's what my father used to say. He was from the Greatest Generation where people were very patriotic and loved the USA. Also, people were able to debate politics and still be able to be friends, family and acquaintances.
When people ask what they can do to help save democracy in our country, the best answer is VOTE !!! Even a better answer, bring a few people with you. It's our only power. 💙🇺🇲💙🇺🇲💙🇺🇲💙🇺🇲
Our Nation is still at-risk... Please vote blue... We don' t want a Donald DICTATOR .. He's made it QUITE CLEAR HE QANTVRO BEVTHE ORANGE PUTIN.... VOTE BLUE ... FOR YOU AND YOUR CHILDRENS FUTURE.. ... TRUMP CANT BE TRUSTED! I HAVE FAMILY THAT ARE BUYING T H E BULL HOCKEY .... ,please vote BLUE no matter who!!! 💙
They needs to let outside attorney and judges with a clean background on their records and life interactions with positive people and loyal, trustworthy people who have a good attitudes about serving all the American people doesn't matter if they're white black brown, female or male, this is why we are not getting any better, stop judging others.
Alabama resident for 30+ years. I love Joyce. I’m a Democrat so I am not represented. It blows my mind that my representatives openly say they will not make any decisions that “represent” my best interests.
I’m in N. Alabama and the day I heard the RNC was putting Donald Trump on the ticket I immediately cancelled my voters registration and registered later to vote Democratic. I don’t intend to ever vote republican again because it’s only gotten worse. I’m not thrilled with Biden but he’s been there fifty years and never tried to become a dictator. I’m not pleased that he’s a Zionist but so is the ‘other’ candidate. I don’t think the fact we’ve got two guys the age of these two candidates is an accident either when there are younger ppl who would be far more viable as the nations leader. Jill Stein is awesome and Gov. Andrew Cuomo would be much better leader than either Biden or Trump. If Trump had been arrested on Jan 6 for the traitor he is, like the others he incited were arrested. We likely wouldn’t have had to see or hear from him again. And certainly wouldn’t have to sweat over him being in office again as a traitor/felon/dictator who committed a COUP d’ Ata. Which Jan 6 was because weapons and death occurred it wasn’t just an insurrection. I’m not happy with the justice system right now dragging their feet and these corrupt judges both Aileen Canon and the SCOTUS. Something smells fishy and I know who it is. Y’all do know if he gets back in office, American Democracy is over for good! And that is very sad for the young ppl.
I too am a Democrat living in Alabama. I hate the politics, representatives, senators and governor. Only decent senator to ever serve Alabama was Doug Jones.
Same in Colorado’s D-4!! I reside 12 miles S of downtown Denver. I was literally asked to step out of our District’s DEM working group-merely b/c, after being asked to provide input, I pointed out that the official DEM platform read exactly as a 2015 GOP platform, plus refused to address Women & Families Reproductive Access to Healthcare (my educational & career focus). I noted the topic is “prickly,” yet when 1:3 women suffer miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies, not fully expelled miscarriages, + 1:4 college-aged students experience at least one “acquaintance SA” episode, etc etc… We ALL know family/friends/colleagues who hv suffered, myself included, & that ignoring the national issues felt unwise-I was TOLD that CO protects these rights, so WHY bother to bring up… 🙆🏼♂️🤦🏼♀️ Some days I just ‘can’t,’ but a day or two later; back in the fight! Steady on my friends! 🇺🇸❤️🗳️‼️‼️‼️
I’ve always been a fan Ms. Vance. Watched you on MSNBC whenever possible. You can always tell an expert, comfortable in their knowledge base, when they can clearly explain the details in twenty minutes or sum it up in two, and the audience still walks away with more insight about the topic under discussion. Thank you both, and I will temper my disdain for what I see happening in our judiciary. (at least for now) Good call having her on, Marc. 💙😊💙😊
There are a lot of people languishing in prisons because they couldn't make bail or pay a paltry fine for a non-violent crime while rich guys delay and use high priced lawyers to game the system. No it is not handling Trump. It is a joke.
And Judge Cannon is also a problem. She makes every concession to trump. I think she is hoping he will win in November and get rid of the case after he takes office so she is relieved of her duty. It's either that scenario or he is paying her off to slow walk the case. It's despicable.
I believe they are slow walking the immunity case u til after the election. In case tRump gets in again, and they'll render an opinion on immunity. If Biden is reelected then they'll just make like it's nothing and status quo on immunity
Mr.Marc Elias Ms.Joyce Vance thank you for knowing the law for people like me who don't know it as well you both are truth teller blessings to you both.......
The judge was there fairly and guided the jury that were both under threats outside of the courtroom and in the Congressional house! All to protect the defendant of an overwhelming proof of guilt! Conviction is done! Jail time would be a good solution, we’ll see!
It’s personally appalling to me, that people who are in clear & dangerous opposition to your policies & efforts, take their limited days on earth, to troll either of you/colleagues. If they’ve more cogent citations, sans personal opinions; perhaps I’d be less critical… Unsure. Please, neither of you ever feel alone, or unique in the pushback/poorly constructed rhetoric! Unfortunately, I reside on the last few upper N streets, 12 miles from downtown Denver, yet IN CO D-4. Prior, I resided in CO D-3 (both for a decade+), & I find myself always & forever searching for ways to improve my District’s political positions/policies/voter turnout. History will mark the important work you both/colleagues: undertake. Steady onward-always. 🫶🏽💪🏽🗳️‼️‼️
Judge Merchan did an excellent job during the trial according to all the legal eagles that were there (Harry Litman, George Conway, Andrew Weissmann, Norman Eisen, etc.)
Yes, but there is no rule to remind adjudicators to leave politics behind just a few rules that are general enough to open abuse without accountability!
+Thank you. Most of these RUclips broadcasts simply ask people to subscribe and like - Joyce Vance and Marc Elias took the time to remind people to actually register to vote, to help others get to the polls and to volunteer to be poll workers. Bravo!
Judge Cannon's obstruction of timely and objective progression of Trump's Florida trial doesn't only deny the public's right to informed voting, but also U.S. allies' need to know if we can be trusted with confidential intelligence information we need them to share with us going forward (thus Cannon is herself endangering our National Security by leaving this unresolved!).
For all the media attention on Fani Willis' personal life, or Hunter Biden's past drug problems... VERY little mention is made of this. And as Ben Meisalas points out, from CNN to the New York Times, a lot of effort is made to make Trump seem like a perfectly legitimate candidate. I could not feel more disgusted with this circus of lies, games, and FAR more attention to the letter-of-the-law than the Spirit in which it was written along what it ultimately was written for!
Plus it's a spit in the face to the people who gather intelligence, sometimes at the threat of their own lives. Cannon, Trump, and their supporters are miserable traitors to this country.
I’m sure the international intelligence committee has been freaking out about this for years. Someone will write about this in a book 10 years from now but until then we can only speculate.
@@joeb4142 --The U.S sent the CIA in to take out dangerous leaders in other lands. If Trump gets in and his ignorance, arrogance, and revenge tour pose dangers for other lands, maybe they can deploy their own clandestine operations to take care of the threat.
@@christal2641 Von Shitzenpants has already been fined for the violations of the gag order.... Merchan could've jailed him for 30 days for each instance... $10,000 in fines instead... Merchan told him once more,it's jail!
In due respect to you, Donald Trump has been been treated with the utmost treatment than a common criminal is treated. And he rewards the justice system with lies and unhinged rhetoric. If the common criminal crossed that line with one toe they would be in jail forever.
This process has been going on in plain sight since the last failed coup attempt. In 1940 orchestrated by fascist Germany. Check out Maddows podcast Ultra about it. Then it was laid out in 1971 in the Powell memo to the Chamber of. commerce. They have followed that plan. Taking power locally , in the states, in the governor level , legislation, and gerrymandering. Now they are rigging voting at the state levels . Using legislation to fight and restrict voting against the Democratic Party . That plan has been successful and the lock on the Republican states will be hard to break. But blame ourselves the main stream has ignored mostly because corporations own the media and they prefer republicans because of tax cuts. We all need to follow their path because it works. Don’t get mad get active.
The DC case against Trump should be brought forward, if possible, even if it runs during the campaign period. There would be no consideration for anyone else, if their life or occupation was disrupted!
@@janislentz9861 I have a running bet with a Frump supporter, who is still somewhat of a friend, from 2019 that Dark Brandon will win by a rough total of at least 12 million additional votes. That was before the insurection and just after Roe vs Wade was shot down despite over 50 years of precedence, so now I am thinking it will be closer to 15 million. Now if we can just stop women from voting lockstep with their husbands despite their own differing positions on policies like womens rights and sensible gun laws. More women love their babies than many fathers do.
Vance defending Garland's slow-walking of the prosecution is absurd, as is her ridiculous attempt to explain the clear bias and partisanship of Cannon, as is her careful deference to an uncontrollable SCOTUS. We're 8 years into massive criminality by Trump, 4 years onto a coup attempt, open hostility to the rule of law by an entire party, and foolish pundits like Vance and Bauer are blathering about how justice is simply a slow process. As though we we can't see the institutions burning down.
No. If you are a responsible and duty bound US Citizen you should vote for Democracy with Democrats instead of a fascist party who wants to demolish everything
@@michaelrowsell1160 It's a democracy if "we the people " want I to be. It may be still a work in progress, but we have the determination to keep up improving as we go. Who are you to say " You say you're a democracy but you're not" Obviously not American though or you wouldn't be telling us what we are or not.
Great interview! Appreciate how everyone’s referring to DT as “convicted felon” now but wish he were also more frequently referred to as “adjudicated insurrectionist” too. CO courts found him to be an insurrectionist and SCOTUS did not disagree.
It seems that when it’s in criminal court, I hear people say convicted criminal or convicted felon. When he is tried in civil court, they call him an adjudicated rapist and liable for business fraud and defamation. All of it means a jury found Trump guilty of these things, but the language is slightly different depending on the kind of court.
When are we going to stop with this electoral college nonsense and start deciding elections on popular vote? I think the majority of the country would agree to vote for that.
There is an effort underway nationally. Look up the national popular vote interstate compact. In a nutshell, it's getting state legislators to agree to go with the popular vote and not the electoral college. They're looking for enough states to Total 270 electoral college votes. So far enough states have joined to put them at 205. Call your state representatives and tell them you want them to sign on to the compact if they haven't already.
Absolutely right, like a lot of things in the USA, the Electoral College is way out of date and should go. But think about it, the Republicans would actually have to come up with policy ideas that appeal to voters, not just have their only platform as re-elect the Orange Monstet
The best way to eliminate the delay strategy is to jail the defendant pending trial. The defendant has violated his conditions of release 10 times by committing the crime of contempt of court. Judge Chutkan should order show cause immediately after she gets the case back.
Thanks Mark for talking to Joyce. I have often seen her on MSNBC but your interview has done a deeper drive into a very wise and articulate woman. Thankyou Joyce for your openness, humility and wisdom. Seeing you in an indepth interview gives me hope for and in your insights, experience and candour about the upcoming electoral process evolving in the US. May justice prevail and bring peace, justice and equity the US. Thanks Joyce, glad your teaching and inspiring your students to think for themselves. From an Australian teacher with much respect for your work.
The individual can volunteer at the polls, support Democracy Dockett and support Democracy Summer and support your neighbors’ ability and motivation to vote, as Ms. Vance says.
Pretty hard to see any state as being balanced, politically. When you see the type of people they vote into political offices. Can you say Lindsey Graham. I'm a lifelong Floridian. And never thought I'd see the likes of our elected politicians of late. I'm so glad to hear and see there are people like Joyce V. and Mark, that speak to the truth of law and democracy. Not just left or right.
Thank you both from the good work you are doing. This was such a great conversation. I live in Tennessee and have said so many of the same things about my state that Joyce says about Alabama. Between gerrymandering and lack of voting, we look more red than we actually are. We have to work extra hard to stay the course and vote, vote, vote. Each one of our votes matters more than we are often led to believe it does. 💙💙💙
Wonderful discussion. I am such a fan of Joyce Vance from watching her on MSNBC and have even more respect for her after watching this episode. I'm retiring in a couple weeks and will take some of her suggestions to get involved advocating Social Security and Women's Rights with a family of all daughters and granddaughters. Thank you both! 🇺🇸💙🇺🇸💙🇺🇸💙🇺🇸💙🇺🇸
Excellent interview. 2 fine legal minds committed to both justice and integrity. What more could we want from or brethren and sisters before the Bar? Thanks much to both of you. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🇺🇲❤
Love Joyce Vance - - her intelligence, objectivity, professionalism, analytical prowess, commitment to law and justice and human values, etc. But, sorry, the law and judicial system are doing a miserable job of dealing with Trump - - the culmination of their long history of protecting and favoring the wealthy, the powerful, the white collar, and the white.
She is too committed to appearing neutral and FAR too nonchalant about the absolute breaches of justice being done by those who are bad actors endowed with far too much unchecked power. All that intelligence and objectivity prove FAR too neutral in the conclusions she comes to.
Just off the cuff responding to the headline question - trump has demonstrated thus far the the justice system is inadequate to hold him accountable. He has just the right ally at the right time, on top of his primal instinct to find every hole in that system. NY is the only court that has been able to show resilience and fortitude, despite treating him with insane deference.
I am a 75 year old black educated woman who grew up in New England but have lived in Georgia for 31 years. My mouth fell open when I heard the beginning of this conversation. I have never seen the gentle white glove treatment handed out to black folks that donald trump receives. I hope it’s because he has the money to pay top lawyers. Although that isn’t totally fair either. I honestly think it’s local courts doing what they want to do to the point that they can get by with without getting caught by legally savvy lawyers.
We are being gaslighted. Poor people and in particular poor black people are not treated fairly and Trump has been treated with such deference that it is sickening. We see it all the time. This whole setup with Judge Cannon and the other courts is nothing but a dog and pony show.
'although that isn't totally fair either' No it's utterly profoundly unfair! We're supposed to be a nation of laws, that's the whole show, that's our entire definition! So without fair justice, there ain't no country in my book! We have to resist this shiete that is happening like it's the end times , reeeally!
Marc Elias hosting Joyce Vance? I'd have to try in order to not learn something! Where do I get in on one of those postcard drives? I actually did one of these before, and it felt good to do something. I've offered my time and effort to my county Democratic Party and to local Indivisible groups but never received a response back from them. I need to find a way to get involved.
Joyce is the BEST. I listen to her everyday and appreciate her guiding us through this very stressful time for our Country. (You, also). Thank you both for going above and beyond for “We The People”. 🇺🇸
A “talking head” with decades of experience, able to provide a deep understanding using facts, logic & reason...I’ll take that over “opinion” any day of the week. That’s me, just saying.
Marc [Vance] great podcast. I always learn something new about this chaotic era [real time]. Y’all, thank you for being my boots on the ground. Thank you. 💙💙💙❤️❤️❤️ I’m learning! ❤❤💙💙
Outstanding interview. More with the always excellent Joyce Vance, please. Loved getting to see her personal side that isn’t possible in an MSNBC block.
My grandmother, who was a poll worker, always told me, "If you dont vote, you don't get to complain."
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That's what my father used to say. He was from the Greatest Generation where people were very patriotic and loved the USA. Also, people were able to debate politics and still be able to be friends, family and acquaintances.
That's right. A lot of people complain about everything and then you explain to them how you make change and it goes in one ear and out the other.
FACTS!!
Voting is for the Electoral College. Get rid of the Electoral College, they can be bought. Let OUR vote count!
Let’s turn out in record numbers and vote for Democracy!
When people ask what they can do to help save democracy in our country, the best answer is VOTE !!! Even a better answer, bring a few people with you. It's our only power. 💙🇺🇲💙🇺🇲💙🇺🇲💙🇺🇲
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I AGREE! TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!
I always enjoy her. Thanks to her for appearing, and to you for having her.
VOTE BLUE. 🔥⚖️🌊🇺🇲
I assume you mean Joyce Vance ,not Judge Cannon
@@georgesheffield1580 Cannon was not the guest.
She has explained so much on the news, non-partisanally(?).
Our Nation is still at-risk...
Please vote blue...
We don' t want a Donald DICTATOR ..
He's made it QUITE CLEAR HE QANTVRO BEVTHE ORANGE PUTIN....
VOTE BLUE ... FOR YOU AND YOUR CHILDRENS FUTURE..
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TRUMP CANT BE TRUSTED! I HAVE FAMILY THAT ARE BUYING T H E BULL HOCKEY .... ,please vote BLUE no matter who!!! 💙
❤love to watch and listen to Mrs Vance. She should be a Supreme Justice Judge.
Barbara as well!
Joyce Vance would make an excellent SCOTUS Wish I could have had her as my professor when I took my law classes. 🇺🇲 VOTE Blue on November 5 2024
Wonderful idea!!!❤❤❤
Ironic that she shares jd surname. Joyce Vance is the antithesis of that worm.
They needs to let outside attorney and judges with a clean background on their records and life interactions with positive people and loyal, trustworthy people who have a good attitudes about serving all the American people doesn't matter if they're white black brown, female or male, this is why we are not getting any better, stop judging others.
Alabama resident for 30+ years. I love Joyce. I’m a Democrat so I am not represented. It blows my mind that my representatives openly say they will not make any decisions that “represent” my best interests.
Same in Tennessee.
I’m in N. Alabama and the day I heard the RNC was putting Donald Trump on the ticket I immediately cancelled my voters registration and registered later to vote Democratic. I don’t intend to ever vote republican again because it’s only gotten worse. I’m not thrilled with Biden but he’s been there fifty years and never tried to become a dictator. I’m not pleased that he’s a Zionist but so is the ‘other’ candidate. I don’t think the fact we’ve got two guys the age of these two candidates is an accident either when there are younger ppl who would be far more viable as the nations leader. Jill Stein is awesome and Gov. Andrew Cuomo would be much better leader than either Biden or Trump. If Trump had been arrested on Jan 6 for the traitor he is, like the others he incited were arrested. We likely wouldn’t have had to see or hear from him again. And certainly wouldn’t have to sweat over him being in office again as a traitor/felon/dictator who committed a COUP d’ Ata. Which Jan 6 was because weapons and death occurred it wasn’t just an insurrection. I’m not happy with the justice system right now dragging their feet and these corrupt judges both Aileen Canon and the SCOTUS. Something smells fishy and I know who it is. Y’all do know if he gets back in office, American Democracy is over for good! And that is very sad for the young ppl.
I too am a Democrat living in Alabama. I hate the politics, representatives, senators and governor. Only decent senator to ever serve Alabama was Doug Jones.
Same in Colorado’s D-4!! I reside 12 miles S of downtown Denver. I was literally asked to step out of our District’s DEM working group-merely
b/c, after being asked to provide input, I pointed out that the official DEM platform read exactly as a 2015 GOP platform, plus refused to address Women & Families Reproductive Access to Healthcare (my educational & career focus). I noted the topic is “prickly,” yet when 1:3 women suffer miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies, not fully expelled miscarriages, + 1:4 college-aged students experience at least one “acquaintance SA” episode, etc etc… We ALL know family/friends/colleagues who hv suffered, myself included, & that ignoring the national issues felt unwise-I was TOLD that CO protects these rights, so WHY bother to bring up… 🙆🏼♂️🤦🏼♀️ Some days I just ‘can’t,’ but a day or two later; back in the fight!
Steady on my friends!
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They have too much of that redneck power. It's that goat blood in em. We should be checking them for horns.
I’m fromAlabama and I love Joyce Vance. She is the one of only a few that make me not cringe.
Mark Elias is a NATIONAL HERO!
100 💯 percent
"History that deserves to be remembered", "because justice matters".
@@ksailor71
He definitely is.
I have so much respect for Joyce Vance. She is a ray of hope for Alabama. ❤
I’ve always been a fan Ms. Vance. Watched you on MSNBC whenever possible. You can always tell an expert, comfortable in their knowledge base, when they can clearly explain the details in twenty minutes or sum it up in two, and the audience still walks away with more insight about the topic under discussion. Thank you both, and I will temper my disdain for what I see happening in our judiciary. (at least for now) Good call having her on, Marc. 💙😊💙😊
Totally!!!!
If we had a decent judge the Fl case would be done and over and Trump would be in jail .
Too long a wait for justice as it is!
Thanks Democracy Docket and Marc Elias for Defending Democracy, The Constitution, and America 🗽 🇺🇲 🌠 💙 ⭐ 🌟 ✨
You claim to be a democracy .You are not .No other true democracy has political apportionments to the judiciary .What could possibly go wrong .
No, it is not handling Trump nor is it handling any other wealthy defendant.
There are a lot of people languishing in prisons because they couldn't make bail or pay a paltry fine for a non-violent crime while rich guys delay and use high priced lawyers to game the system. No it is not handling Trump. It is a joke.
We should be more than a little troubled by the actions of SCOTUS! Their delay for Trump is outrageous !!
And Judge Cannon is also a problem. She makes every concession to trump. I think she is hoping he will win in November and get rid of the case after he takes office so she is relieved of her duty. It's either that scenario or he is paying her off to slow walk the case. It's despicable.
You DO realize that they DEMAND that Trump win. THIS IS THE AUTHORITARIAN MOMENT they have worked for since Reagan destroyed worker's rights.
It’s obvious he’s got friends in high places Supreme Court and judges
The finest Justice money (and threats) can buy!😂
I believe they are slow walking the immunity case u til after the election. In case tRump gets in again, and they'll render an opinion on immunity. If Biden is reelected then they'll just make like it's nothing and status quo on immunity
Joyce Vance and Marc Elias are needed as Supreme Court Justices.
Yes!!
YES INDEED!
A dream team, for sure!
Thank you for interviewing this amazing woman.
Joyce Vance is a gift to all of us.
Amen!!
Joyce is wonderful! She'll tell you how it is. She has the experience.
I could listen to Joyce Vance all day.
Mr.Marc Elias Ms.Joyce Vance thank you for knowing the law for people like me who don't know it as well you both are truth teller blessings to you both.......
Joyce Vance is one of my very favorite speakers, she is so knowledgeable and thoughtful!!!
She said it right: The JURY did it's job. NOT the judge.
Yes,this is not traffic court:)
The judge was there fairly and guided the jury that were both under threats outside of the courtroom and in the Congressional house!
All to protect the defendant of an overwhelming proof of guilt!
Conviction is done!
Jail time would be a good solution, we’ll see!
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It’s personally appalling to me, that people who are in clear & dangerous opposition to your policies & efforts, take their limited days on earth, to troll either of you/colleagues. If they’ve more cogent citations, sans personal opinions; perhaps I’d be less critical… Unsure.
Please, neither of you ever feel alone, or unique in the pushback/poorly constructed rhetoric! Unfortunately, I reside on the last few upper N streets, 12 miles from downtown Denver, yet IN CO D-4. Prior, I resided in CO D-3 (both for a decade+), & I find myself always & forever searching for ways to improve my District’s political positions/policies/voter turnout.
History will mark the important work you both/colleagues: undertake.
Steady onward-always. 🫶🏽💪🏽🗳️‼️‼️
Judge Merchan did an excellent job during the trial according to all the legal eagles that were there (Harry Litman, George Conway, Andrew Weissmann, Norman Eisen, etc.)
Joyce is great! We need more Americans like Joyce.
The Justice System depends on people in the System being responsible and honest. That is where the problem lies.
Test
Yes, but there is no rule to remind adjudicators to leave politics behind just a few rules that are general enough to open abuse without accountability!
Society is crumbling.
You claim to be a democracy .You are not .No other true democracy has political apportionments to the judiciary .What could possibly go wrong .
BINGO !!! Some have forgotten the oath they took.
Always love hearing from Joyce
VOTE BLUE for democracy 💙 😎
Great job Marc. Thank you for all your hard work. I just love J. Vance, i think she's awesome.
Dr Vance. You look fabulous; AND you always speak with wisdom and clarity.
Love and respect Joyce Vance 👏⚖👏
Thank you for this interview 🙏
Make phone calls, knock on doors, write letters, write letters, talk to people, become poll workers. Every single interaction helps!!!!
And VOTE,VOTE,VOTE BLUE for decency, democracy and our many freedoms. 💙🇺🇲
Two American heroes, Marc and Joyce are amazing!
Joyce Vance is a national treasure. I listen to #SistersInLaw every week and am always informed and inspired.
Thanks Marc for having Joyce on!!! 💙💙💙
She is great!
stellar performance Joyce... you galvanize and make us optimistic..share this video!
Two brilliant lawyers.
Joyce is a national treasure! So straight forward and down to earth, plus a ton of legal knowledge and experience.
I would love to have Joyce Vance join the team of MTN , love her assessment and expertise.
+Thank you. Most of these RUclips broadcasts simply ask people to subscribe and like - Joyce Vance and Marc Elias took the time to remind people to actually register to vote, to help others get to the polls and to volunteer to be poll workers. Bravo!
Joyce Vance for SCOTUS when an opening happens!
I am also a Joyce Vance fan, but I don’t think she will be selected for an SC position, as she has not been a sitting judge
Agree. She is concise, clear and fair.
Thank you Marc and Joyce. I greatly appreciate and respect the work you both do!
Thank you for answering the question of what we can be actively Doing to help. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Such positive voices for democracy! Thank you!
Impeach Judge Cannon!
💯 now!!!!!!
Exactly .. and not only impeach investigate her also😮
Cannon has one trike against her from the 11th circuit. She only needs two more, and she will be removed.
At the very least she should recused. We should be in the streets a March on Washington.
Twice the 11th reprimanded.
That was FANTASTIC! Marc and Joyce, thank you for giving hope and inspiration. And unfiltered facts.
Judge Cannon's obstruction of timely and objective progression of Trump's Florida trial doesn't only deny the public's right to informed voting, but also U.S. allies' need to know if we can be trusted with confidential intelligence information we need them to share with us going forward (thus Cannon is herself endangering our National Security by leaving this unresolved!).
For all the media attention on Fani Willis' personal life, or Hunter Biden's past drug problems... VERY little mention is made of this. And as Ben Meisalas points out, from CNN to the New York Times, a lot of effort is made to make Trump seem like a perfectly legitimate candidate. I could not feel more disgusted with this circus of lies, games, and FAR more attention to the letter-of-the-law than the Spirit in which it was written along what it ultimately was written for!
Plus it's a spit in the face to the people who gather intelligence, sometimes at the threat of their own lives. Cannon, Trump, and their supporters are miserable traitors to this country.
She is obstructing justice.
I’m sure the international intelligence committee has been freaking out about this for years. Someone will write about this in a book 10 years from now but until then we can only speculate.
@@joeb4142 --The U.S sent the CIA in to take out dangerous leaders in other lands. If Trump gets in and his ignorance, arrogance, and revenge tour pose dangers for other lands, maybe they can deploy their own clandestine operations to take care of the threat.
Sorry Joyce.
LOCK HIM UP.
The delay is disturbing. The allowances Trump has been given are disgusting.
Heck, lock him up for violating the gag orders!
@@christal2641
Von Shitzenpants has already been fined for the violations of the gag order....
Merchan could've jailed him for 30 days for each instance...
$10,000 in fines instead...
Merchan told him once more,it's jail!
We all know that that’s not going to happen
In due respect to you, Donald Trump has been been treated with the utmost treatment than a common criminal is treated. And he rewards the justice system with lies and unhinged rhetoric. If the common criminal crossed that line with one toe they would be in jail forever.
Dump Trump!!!!
It's a bliss to see you both discuss the march of the authoritarians on the justice system and the voting system.
Truly consoling!
I'm a nervous wreck over all this! My fear is that Americans are too complacent from our long history of peaceful elections to pay attention.
This process has been going on in plain sight since the last failed coup attempt. In 1940 orchestrated by fascist Germany. Check out Maddows podcast Ultra about it. Then it was laid out in 1971 in the Powell memo to the Chamber of. commerce. They have followed that plan. Taking power locally , in the states, in the governor level , legislation, and gerrymandering. Now they are rigging voting at the state levels . Using legislation to fight and restrict voting against the Democratic Party . That plan has been successful and the lock on the Republican states will be hard to break. But blame ourselves the main stream has ignored mostly because corporations own the media and they prefer republicans because of tax cuts. We all need to follow their path because it works. Don’t get mad get active.
Excellent guest. Very easy to listen to. Thank you both.
Thank you Joyce, your comments were very impressive!
Excellent discussion. I'm a big fan of both of you and am grateful for the work you do!
Thank you Marc I have learned a lot listening to you and your guests. You bring so much understanding to voting rights, and the law.
Excellent!
We definitely need more discussions like this!
Thank you both ❤
Awesome interview. Thanks & respects to you both.
Excellent podcast
The DC case against Trump should be brought forward, if possible, even if it runs during the campaign period. There would be no consideration for anyone else, if their life or occupation was disrupted!
HOPE or HATE. Pretty simple choice America. We are better than an orange bully in diapers. VOTE 💙💙💙
The two of you are nothing less than amazing. I learn so much from y’all.
Uncle Joey should get 10 to 12 million more votes than he got in 2020. Trump should get 20% less than he got in 2020.
Bidens a shoe in ,I don't buy polls saying trumps ahead since Hush Money trial!
I have predicted approx. 90M votes for Biden in November
My prediction is that t-Rump's Base has lost 15% to 20% due to death and defection.
@@scottwillman828a lot of his supporters died even after the vaccine.
@@janislentz9861 I have a running bet with a Frump supporter, who is still somewhat of a friend, from 2019 that Dark Brandon will win by a rough total of at least 12 million additional votes. That was before the insurection and just after Roe vs Wade was shot down despite over 50 years of precedence, so now I am thinking it will be closer to 15 million. Now if we can just stop women from voting lockstep with their husbands despite their own differing positions on policies like womens rights and sensible gun laws. More women love their babies than many fathers do.
Love Joyce!
The Supreme Court Judges are helping to delay Trump trails
Need fro the democrats to take over the house and get 60+ in the senate to impeach them trump suckling republicans
@@democracylives8448
Just like they did with the Colorado ballot issue.
"trials"
Vance defending Garland's slow-walking of the prosecution is absurd, as is her ridiculous attempt to explain the clear bias and partisanship of Cannon, as is her careful deference to an uncontrollable SCOTUS.
We're 8 years into massive criminality by Trump, 4 years onto a coup attempt, open hostility to the rule of law by an entire party, and foolish pundits like Vance and Bauer are blathering about how justice is simply a slow process. As though we we can't see the institutions burning down.
6 of the justices are doing that.
Whether you are a Republican or a Democrat you need to vote blue in 2024 to preserve democracy.
No. If you are a responsible and duty bound US Citizen you should vote for Democracy with Democrats instead of a fascist party who wants to demolish everything
That’s right: MAGA - Make America Germany Again (in 1938) It’s true
VOTE Blue 💙💙💙
You claim to be a democracy .You are not .No other true democracy has political apportionments to the judiciary .What could possibly go wrong .
@@michaelrowsell1160 It's a democracy if "we the people " want I to be. It may be still a work in progress, but we have the determination to keep up improving as we go. Who are you to say " You say you're a democracy but you're not" Obviously not American though or you wouldn't be telling us what we are or not.
@@michaelrowsell1160 couldn't agree more.
This is awesome. So much respect for both of you!
Great interview!
Appreciate how everyone’s referring to DT as “convicted felon” now but wish he were also more frequently referred to as “adjudicated insurrectionist” too. CO courts found him to be an insurrectionist and SCOTUS did not disagree.
It seems that when it’s in criminal court, I hear people say convicted criminal or convicted felon. When he is tried in civil court, they call him an adjudicated rapist and liable for business fraud and defamation. All of it means a jury found Trump guilty of these things, but the language is slightly different depending on the kind of court.
And did not agree either .
And rapist.
Good point.
One of the best, most informative websites. Thanks. 💙
When are we going to stop with this electoral college nonsense and start deciding elections on popular vote? I think the majority of the country would agree to vote for that.
It needs an amendment could take 40 years. Buy that time our democracy could be dead .
I wish, if any Republicans would ever win again by maybe two states. That is why they will never get rid of electoral votes.
There is an effort underway nationally. Look up the national popular vote interstate compact. In a nutshell, it's getting state legislators to agree to go with the popular vote and not the electoral college. They're looking for enough states to Total 270 electoral college votes. So far enough states have joined to put them at 205. Call your state representatives and tell them you want them to sign on to the compact if they haven't already.
The majority are under the tyranny of the minority with the Electoral College. Elect Presidents by popular vote. Abolish the Electoral of.
Absolutely right, like a lot of things in the USA, the Electoral College is way out of date and should go. But think about it, the Republicans would actually have to come up with policy ideas that appeal to voters, not just have their only platform as re-elect the Orange Monstet
Of course, I am a huge fan of both of you. Great conversation. Love the tip about the post cards.
This is one of my favorite Democracy Docket interviews. I listened to it twice & sent it to all my friends. Fantastic!
The best way to eliminate the delay strategy is to jail the defendant pending trial. The defendant has violated his conditions of release 10 times by committing the crime of contempt of court. Judge Chutkan should order show cause immediately after she gets the case back.
Especially, jail the rich and famous awaiting trial instead of just the poor.
Good point. Trump has noting to lose from the stall.
Now. Terms of release and gag order are still in effect, despite the stay on trial preparation.
Thanks Mark for talking to Joyce. I have often seen her on MSNBC but your interview has done a deeper drive into a very wise and articulate woman. Thankyou Joyce for your openness, humility and wisdom. Seeing you in an indepth interview gives me hope for and in your insights, experience and candour about the upcoming electoral process evolving in the US.
May justice prevail and bring peace, justice and equity the US. Thanks Joyce, glad your teaching and inspiring your students to think for themselves.
From an Australian teacher with much respect for your work.
The individual can volunteer at the polls, support Democracy Dockett and support Democracy Summer and support your neighbors’ ability and motivation to vote, as Ms. Vance says.
I love Joyce’s Substack publication. She’s so thorough and knowledgeable in each one of her articles.
Pretty hard to see any state as being balanced, politically. When you see the type of people they vote into political offices. Can you say Lindsey Graham.
I'm a lifelong Floridian. And never thought I'd see the likes of our elected politicians of late.
I'm so glad to hear and see there are people like Joyce V. and Mark, that speak to the truth of law and democracy. Not just left or right.
Thank you both from the good work you are doing.
This was such a great conversation. I live in Tennessee and have said so many of the same things about my state that Joyce says about Alabama. Between gerrymandering and lack of voting, we look more red than we actually are.
We have to work extra hard to stay the course and vote, vote, vote. Each one of our votes matters more than we are often led to believe it does. 💙💙💙
Fair? Really? Ten infractions of a gag order! Really?!!!!
As always, you have good guests and content with regards to our present political democracy situation...,thank you mark
Wonderful discussion. I am such a fan of Joyce Vance from watching her on MSNBC and have even more respect for her after watching this episode.
I'm retiring in a couple weeks and will take some of her suggestions to get involved advocating Social Security and Women's Rights with a family of all daughters and granddaughters.
Thank you both! 🇺🇸💙🇺🇸💙🇺🇸💙🇺🇸💙🇺🇸
❤ Mrs Vance!!
Exactly Joyce!! People were like why is this so slow?? They had to make sure all the i’s were dotted.. and look… 100% conviction rate so far.
Why hasn’t Florida’s 11th Fed Circuit Court removed Judge Cannon? They have the authority to do so… Where are they?
Excellent interview. 2 fine legal minds committed to both justice and integrity. What more could we want from or brethren and sisters before the Bar? Thanks much to both of you. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🇺🇲❤
Love Joyce Vance - - her intelligence, objectivity, professionalism, analytical prowess, commitment to law and justice and human values, etc. But, sorry, the law and judicial system are doing a miserable job of dealing with Trump - - the culmination of their long history of protecting and favoring the wealthy, the powerful, the white collar, and the white.
She is too committed to appearing neutral and FAR too nonchalant about the absolute breaches of justice being done by those who are bad actors endowed with far too much unchecked power. All that intelligence and objectivity prove FAR too neutral in the conclusions she comes to.
And don't forget SCOTUS's favoring the RADICAL RIGHT!
Just off the cuff responding to the headline question - trump has demonstrated thus far the the justice system is inadequate to hold him accountable. He has just the right ally at the right time, on top of his primal instinct to find every hole in that system. NY is the only court that has been able to show resilience and fortitude, despite treating him with insane deference.
yes! I'ts sad that the two southern jurisdiction cases got messed the hell up, esp the GA one.
Enjoyable conversation. Thank you.
a lot of this stuff goes over my head but I'm glad I found this channel.
Thank you, Marc!
‘Mark my word’ Joyce is a breath of reason and fresh air. Thanks!!!
I am a 75 year old black educated woman who grew up in New England but have lived in Georgia for 31 years. My mouth fell open when I heard the beginning of this conversation. I have never seen the gentle white glove treatment handed out to black folks that donald trump receives. I hope it’s because he has the money to pay top lawyers. Although that isn’t totally fair either.
I honestly think it’s local courts doing what they want to do to the point that they can get by with without getting caught by legally savvy lawyers.
We are being gaslighted. Poor people and in particular poor black people are not treated fairly and Trump has been treated with such deference that it is sickening. We see it all the time. This whole setup with Judge Cannon and the other courts is nothing but a dog and pony show.
'although that isn't totally fair either' No it's utterly profoundly unfair! We're supposed to be a nation of laws, that's the whole show, that's our entire definition! So without fair justice, there ain't no country in my book! We have to resist this shiete that is happening like it's the end times , reeeally!
I proudly support Marc Elias and his Democracy Docket! He and his team have a fantastic track record in fighting for democracy!
Thank you for this intelligent discussion.......Joyce is very smart
Marc Elias hosting Joyce Vance? I'd have to try in order to not learn something! Where do I get in on one of those postcard drives? I actually did one of these before, and it felt good to do something. I've offered my time and effort to my county Democratic Party and to local Indivisible groups but never received a response back from them. I need to find a way to get involved.
Joyce is the BEST. I listen to her everyday and appreciate her guiding us through this very stressful time for our Country. (You, also). Thank you both for going above and beyond for “We The People”. 🇺🇸
God bless you both!!!!!
A “talking head” with decades of experience, able to provide a deep understanding using facts, logic & reason...I’ll take that over “opinion” any day of the week. That’s me, just saying.
she ain't just a talking head! lol
She’s a treasure.❤
I'm looking forward to the supreme crap court impeachments!
Marc [Vance] great podcast. I always learn something new about this chaotic era [real time]. Y’all, thank you for being my boots on the ground. Thank you. 💙💙💙❤️❤️❤️ I’m learning! ❤❤💙💙
I cannot think of one person who wants a dictator-in-chief. BYE-DON 2024. VOTE BLUE TSUNAMI.
Excellent discussion.
Thank you both for all you do to protect
DEMOCRACY 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
We need to get a better voting act that operates after the protections needed today, not the protections we want to think we no longer need.
Did ANYONE REALLY BELIEVE that the old Confederate states no longer needed voting rights protection supervision?
Thank God there are sane people with ethics like these two!!!! Thank you so much for what you do!!!!! 💕💙💙💙💙
Nice to hear Joyce Vance share her thoughts about current events and our Democracy. 👍
Outstanding interview. More with the always excellent Joyce Vance, please. Loved getting to see her personal side that isn’t possible in an MSNBC block.