BROKEN BY BAD HABITS: Helluva Boss Season 2 Episode 8 Review
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Stolitz predictions?
They get together at least by the end of the season.
Next episode Stolas starts to veer down the same path Verosika and Fizz did and bitterly blames Blitzo…even leading him to Verosika, but then sees how hurt blitz is by the diss track he sings and chooses to break the cycle, forgive Blitzo and owning up to his part in the breakup, which makes verosika reflect as well
Don't they have 4 seasons? They'll get together at the end at least
Hopefully development for BOTH of them and not just having the focus at Blitzø's problems
I think blitz will burst in during the divorce trial and confess or potentially if stolas has found another partner play homewrecker which seems very in character.
Not even a day into Pride Month and they broke the gays up
Thank you for this lovely contribution
😂💀
@@MrArk1265 Serving like how Viz served the LGBTQ+ community here 💀💀
Is the LGBT+ community so desperate that they choose this mess as their symbol? Charlie x Vaggie might be boring as shit, but at least it ain't toxic (to an extent).
Breaking up your gays just in time for Pride Month.🎉
I just noticed Stolas takes his crown/hat off when he tells Blitzø he can stay if he wants to, as a sense of showing his vulnerability, but then puts it back on when Blitzø doesn’t take him seriously.
Based point.
I saw this comment on a different video help
Good point
Is this a copied comment?
Oh my God. I'm so sick of people thinking of Stolas as some poor baby when he has done nothing but treat Blitz like crap and take advantage of him.
When Blitzø thinks that Stolas is just initiating a weird roleplay, he says “I love you so much”. THAT is when Stolas cuts him off and “has his answer”. He has probably never heard those words before. And to hear them used so mockingly… I get why he shut down. That doesn’t excuse any of Stolas’ behavior and I’m equally frustrated with both of them, but that part really hurt me.
Fr this is the only time ive seen the misunderstanding trope WELL DONE. They're both pushing each other away for understandable reasons, and its so frustrating but also sad because we know damn well why they reacted like that :(
I mean to be fair Stolas literally shat on blitzo's heart just a couple months ago and let him get shit on by an entire club of people
@@angelusb2066 you act like they didn't both do that. Blitz literalñy invited him just to go in, proceeded to ignore him and later on ghosted him when he was hospitalised. Yeah, solas acting ashamed with blitz is bad (although he accede ashamed mostly because he was being called a cheater too lol), but I don't see how any of that makes Stolas' behaviour worse when they've literally done equally wrong shit to each other 😅
@@hugnbobaYeah.
I mean. I forgive the use of that trope, even when it's not well done... cause. I used to think it was over used, but my real life experince? Makes me feel like it's under utilized.
But. This is still the nest I have seen it done... outside of the fire and frizz and Blitzø.
I just. It still hurts. And makes me wish they could. Talk it out and actually find happiness with each other.
@@unlimon6382
yeah they both did it. Not just one or the other.
They need couples therapy, but that ain't going to happen any time soon
I hate how villainized Blitzo is within the fandom and how many people baby and ignore Stolas's problems.
Having been in a toxic relationship (and unfortunately a few abusive ones of the non romantic sort), nah, that isn't what's happening here.
[Edit: my attention span stretches about as far as a flea, forgot to mention here when I posted that this next part is more directed towards things mentioned in the video and some comments, not 100% just this comment. Sorry if you've already read it, it would probably seem pretty out of nowhere]
When someone is yelling at you like Blitzo does to Stolas (especially in an attempt to communicate), you don't owe them sitting through their barbs and insults. Stolas definitely could have phrased it better, but that is not a justification for the kind of rant Blitzo went on, or for expecting someone (especially someone who has spent years in an abusive relationship) to take that shit. If you explode at your partner when they try to talk something through with you, that's on you, not them for not predicting and avoiding it better.
They both have problems and traumas that don't mix well, but Stolas is absolutely not in the wrong on this one.
@@thatboringone7851 Nah, I don't mean within this episode, because it is absolutely true that you don't owe anyone anything when and if they talk to you like that. I've been in an abusive familial relationship, which isn't the same as an abusive romantic relationship, but the basics of being treated horribly by someone remain the same. So, yeah, I'm familiar enough with the feeling of someone being cruel, even when unintentionally. What I mean is that the fandom tends to forgive Stolas for a lot, if not all, of his issues while painting Blitzo in a very poor light. Now, that's not to say Blitzo doesn't have problems because he absolutely does; it's just that both Blitzo and Stolas have issues that they need to work on, and a lot of the same things that the fandom villainizes in Blitzo are also habits that Stolas shares. Blitzo has a lot of good reasons to act the way he does and do the things he does, which the fandom ignores. Stolas also has good reasons to act the way he does. I don't mean to excuse either of their actions or behaviors; only point out that often, only one side of the dynamic is acknowledged and treated compassionately.
Tldr; not within the context of the episode, but the show as a whole, people treat Stolas's motivations and actions as more valid and acceptable instead of acknowledging both Stolas's and Blitzo's part in creating a harmful and unhealthy relationship.
@@rivermaxwell3834
Ah that's fair enough, I can agree there.
I've seen alot of people baby Blitzø too. Personally I understand both sides but I'm tired of people acting like just because Blitzø has trauma it's okay for him to do all the things he did too. Also people try to say Stolas was using Blitzø for sex and he's a hypocrite but then completely ignore that Blitzø was just as much using Stolas for the book (and Blitzø liked the sex so idk what their point is) it's just weird seeing fans so one sided when both sides have easily understandable reactions from the context of both of them. I don't like when people villainize either of them honestly 💀
@@lilylookittykyu3115 People tend to baby Blitzo a lot less than Stolas. Honestly, I think both of them should be held accountable for behaving poorly within the relationship.
To be fair, he spent years being screamed at by Stella, so Stolas shutting down by Blitzo screaming makes a lot of sense. Notice how Stolas flinches.
I feel like getting screamed at by someone you hate is different then getting screamed at by someone you love, in the episode with robo fizz when Stella yelled at stolas he wasn’t reacting that much. He tried to calm her down but then let her throw her little tantrum, then proceeded to ignore her and talk to his daughter
@@BearSmoothie Getting screamed at by someone you love is actually worse. At that point, with years of being with Stella, Stolas had just gotten used it but I doubt in the beginning he was. But now? With someone he loved probably more than his daughter? I'll shut down too (and have in a past relationship). He would expect it from Stella, and after everything with her he doesn't want to deal with that again. I'm not saying that Stolas is in the right or anything with how he reacted after Blitz thought he was joking, but this is how his brain would be processing it.
He should've given Blitz time to process and explain, but we all knew how is was going to go down. Blitz isn't exactly the type to stay calm and think.
@@BearSmoothie Absolutely, it hurts even more when its someone you genuinely thought gave a crap about you and you thought so highly of them.
@@BearSmoothiethat's the funny thing about trauma: it cares not for whether the abuse comes from a place of hate or a place of love. The body's self defence mechanism is near always on high alert, it won't go away after a conversation or even a few years! Even if you're with a loved one, you can't ever feel %100 safe, even if you "know" you are
Yeah, I think he’s forgetting Stolis has been really, really emotionally abused for years. Yes, he started this badly, but having yelling being a “normal” part of communication with loved ones you’re just supposed to understand and tolerate cause “you should get why they’re doing it” really bugs me in this analysis. Stolis should have asked him to stop yelling and can we talk, but idk man…this is an area I think S.C. has some blindness to because of his own biases. I understand and feel for both, but this is 100% on both of them and it’s definitely NOT a moment I’ve “never been more on Blitzo’s side”, personally.
Notice how when Stolas gave him the crystal, Blitzø wasn't excited or happy. He just kept saying he could do better. Even after being told what the gem does, Blitzø doesnt want to end the relationship with Stolas. But he has no idea how to express that. 😥
I wonder if a similar situation came about with Verosika; maybe she said she didn’t want him to just be his bodyguard but like here. Blitz took that as a rejection. Blitz really craves stability and even if a change is for something more positive, it scares the crap out of him.
Good point! I didn’t think about that.
Im still confused why Blitzø cares, I mean bro almost let Striker ASSASSINATE Stolas in season 1, luckily Moxxie snapped him out of it.
I think Blitz's reaction was that of someone who doesn't know gestures of affection.
The weird thing is, things weren't going to end, Stolas gave Blitz a choice to stay if he wanted, but Blitzo just lashed out (?) Why...
1. Blitzo thought this was about sex since this was a monthly sex meeting for them.
2. Blitzo thought stolas was initiating a role play since its their monthly sex thing.
3. Stolas has been very sexual in almost all of his interactions with blitzo, even in their more serious interactions.
4. Stolas does view Blitzo as lesser. This is shown in his embarrassment being seen with him at Ozzies. In the way he speaks about his "impish little plaything." The only complements stolas give blitzo is about sex
Yeah people seem to forget that Stolas kept calling him Blitzy and "his little imp" even though Blitzø kept telling him to stop. Though this probably stems from when Blitzø said "stop it" when they first hooked up and he continued anyways, Stolas may think it's playful banter.
To the credit of Stolas he actually tried to stop the sexual tone of the scene before Blitz defaulted to assuming it was roleplay and during the deserved rant Blitz goes on he tells Stolas he's pompous and a rich asshole which is exactly the kind of people who he's been tortured by his whole life so it would make sense for him to be deeply upset by the comparison and full on remove him.
Yeah and not just in that moment but ever sense the date night car talk, Stolas has been trying to stop the overly sexual stuff. He's tried time and time again to have a conversation with Blitzø but as we know Blitzø's been avoiding everything one. Which is why I think Stolas has every right to be upset after Blitzø just still didn't take his words seriously
@@lilylookittykyu3115Agreed, don’t know how this guy (video uploader) didn’t see that.
The whole relationship has been Stolas being exactly what Blitz says he is. Its painful for Stolas to hear, yes, but he isn't really the victim here as he forced this unnatural relationship in the first place, he is mostly a victim of his own actions. why should Blitz take his love confession seriously when he has been coercing Blitz this entire time? He didn't give Blitz any space or understanding, he immediately made it about himself even though supposedly it was for Blitz.
He hasn't really acknowledged that he is behaving like the people who have mistreated him, and hasn't met Blitz on his level.
@@cielbie8251Exactly
Stolas and Blitz still lack the communication skills to have a proper relationship. Stolas shuts down when people start yelling....and of course Blitz reacts to stress by yelling. He has a recurring thing, that he alienates with his toxic routine. He fears being alone, but his actions will ensure his fears come to life.
Can’t help but wonder if that’s something he developed after years of being married to Stella.
@@KeeKage37They're not even married..?
@@skaynne54WELL, NOT ANYMORE!
@skaynne54 WHERE IS THE CRITICAL THINKING? girl you can't be that dense.
Nice reference to S1 E6
The fact that Blitzo and Stolas broke up in the room with the giant chandelier...That's attention to detail.
Wdym ?
@@laoukhtdusang7994I think their talking about the scene where they were kids and they were in a room with a giant chandler
FINALLY!! I noticed that too and cried for an additional hour💔
EXCELLENT WORK. SARCASTIC CHORUS
if only that attention was put into the actual script.
I think Stolas truly doesn’t understand the deeper aspects of their power imbalance. He’s able to see beyond their class and see him and Blitz as equals and somehow assumes Blitz feels the same. The whole class system is ingrained in Hell’s social structure and it’s naive to think it can be disrupted so easily. Fizz and Ozzie’s situation while similar still has them on similar social standing.
Well, Ozzy is a member of the seven deadly sins and a king in the in Ars Goetia and Fizz is an Imp.
Now, since the only one who can tell Ozzy what to do would be Lucifer, hell's King, though I doubt he's going to, since I doubt he cares what they do in their social life.
However, since Ozzy is high on the totem pole he can basically do what he pleases, and there's going to be a backlash yet, Fizz is the one in danger of getting most of it, since Fizz is an Imp.
Yet, those two have managed to be able to have a better relationship. With Stolas, he's a prince, not a king. He's high in status and power but not anywhere near Ozzy.
So, while he can get away with a lot he can't get away with some stuff the way Ozzy can. If you could get away with the stuff that Ozzy could, he wouldn't have hit his face in that menu while in Ozzy's club, now would he ?
Why is it that some people keep forgetting this when they watch this show ?
"Blitzø, I think so highly of you. I didn't know you thought so low of me." - Stoals
Blitzø thinks more than highly enough of Stolas. The issue is Blitzø doesn't think that highly of HIMSELF.
In his mind, he: Killed his mom. Destroyed his Dad's business. Ruined his sister's life & made her a drug addict. And mutilated his best friend.
He has destroyed every person who got close to him. He is an unlovable monster. But you know what he's GOOD at? Doing jobs. As a hitman, he is great. When it was a "transactional thing", he was great, and his 'boss' was happy with his performance.
The issue is that if he lets somebody in emotionally, Blitzø is afraid they will learn to hate him even half his much as he hates himself, and he thinks he will deserve it.
I think you undersold Loona here. Sassy butt waggle aside, she showed how intelligent and capable she is in combat…using her human disguise to make herself a smaller target to avoid gunfire…knowing where to shoot the building to save M&M…she’s super smart and it’ll be frustrating if she’s continued to be sidelined behind a desk. We see where her real talents lie.
Oh 100%. There's a reason she's the one who usually operates the grimoire since the series proper began and has been the only character to use it with a consistent degree of accuracy other than Stolas, who's been training with it since childhood.
Loona fully strikes me as "impressively smart, but hasn't had many traditional opportunities to showcase the extent of that intelligence." It's had a very show-not-tell presentation so far, and we honestly NEED some sort of direct spotlight on it at some point in the future.
Thank you!
Honestly, I'm wondering from what angle in an action scene would that not be called fanservice? It didn't occur to me that it could be seen that way but now I'm wondering how you could make it less that? Is it just because of the way she looks? It's not like I'm not attracted to women, it was just combat.
I didn't notice she wagged her butt, that explains why he said it was fanservice. I don't get it but ok.
Ohhh I couldn’t figure out why she changed into a human, it seemed like such an odd and random decision lol
While I do agree that Stolas not listening to Blitz is a problem, I think we also need to address why Stolas shut down. To me, Stolas has been trying to take this conversation serious from the start, trying to talk to Blitz, and generally trying give him very sign under the sun he is being serious.
Problem is Blitz is deflecting, doesn’t notice, or is pretending it’s nothing serious. Meanwhile Stolas is being very vulnerable, Blitz isn’t. So when Blitz acts like it’s all a joke, that hurts Stolas a lot and he shuts down. This is the cause of their breakup.
Stolas handles conflict by shutting down. Blitz handles it by acting aggressively most of the time. This is probably how Stolas handle conflict with Stella. He shuts down, Blitz yelling at him probably didn’t help.
Not that is Blitz fault, he didn’t know. I just don’t think Stolas’s reaction was bad, I just think it was a terrible idea to have a serious conversation on that day specifically.
this comment right here sums it up as it is
That’s how I feel
I agree with most of what you're saying, but I disagree that Blitzø wasn't being vulnerable at any point of that interaction, literally a moment before Stolas' speech Blitzø thought he was about to lose his job and was actually begging Stolas to reconsider, with hands together and tears forming. That's a really stressful situation for him to be in (I've been in a place where I think I'm about to lose my job, and it's incredibly stressful), Stolas should have given him a minute to calm down from the miscommunication of the grimoire thing, before starting his love confession.
@@Robb3636 oh no I agree with that but the video already mention that so I didn’t want add it in.
An extra note too, this confession was almost a last attempt from Stolas. We know this because according to S2 E6, which lets us in more on what's happening behind the scenes. Stolas has been calling and trying to chat with Blitz casually and Blitz thinks he's just trying to mess with him. (Fizz seems to find this incredibly false and retorts "Sounds like your just mad at him for being a Prince and Blitz reaffirms that Royal Demons don't care about the lower class at all. Which, to me sounds like he's just doesn't want to accept this possibility. (This is considering that Blitzo knows about Fizz's successful relationship and can arguably be in on Vortex and Queen Bee.) Blitzo may be calling this "Out of nowhere but he's been getting spoonfed the fact that Stolas does ACTUALLY care. And he's just refusing to think that's possible until he gives him an out.
Only for Blitz to yell at Stolas for playing with his feelings and hasn't given him the proper notice for him to think about the love confession, when Blitz kept going, not taking time to think, defaulting to Stolas just messing with him and trying to have sex.
Stolas was trying to reach out, give Blitz time to come to him if he wanted, and Blitz just didn't. And only AFTER his confession and question is done, does Blitz then basically admit, he does care, he just is too busy getting mad at Stolas about placing this emotion bomb on him when Blitz, knowing the intimate details of their relationship, didn't consider Stolas calling him to check on him, or seeing how things are going is anything more than just "Fucking with him."
Blitz saying he needs a minute, now of all times, is basically all the proof we need to say that Blitz hadn't once, in however many months, consider that Stolas actually cared for him when during these months. Stolas was trying to push that same message without outright saying it.
Up until Stolas seemingly gives up, Blitz thinks this is just a job, and not sleeping with Stolas was basically having the night off.
TO BE FAIR
stolas was rejected all his life by basically EVERYONE so when blitz misunderstood and started yelling he took it as yet another rejection and walked of bc he does not know any better
+ with like 2 decades of physical and mental abuse from his wife blitz might have reminded him of yeah like abuse
Blitz was one of the few things that he loved in life ( I think he only likes via and blitz but idk) and seeing blitz tell him that he's an ahh hole and all that stuff practically "confirmed" his fear blitz despised him the whole time
So he kicks him out
( HELP IM TRYING TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE)
youre not wrong.
They both have massive inferiority complexes due to their traumas and lack the skills to communicate it out properly. Blitzø uses that about class, and Stolas uses it about romance. Both things they have major struggles with. Where they both hurt, and feel inferiror/ massive ammounts of pain about.
And in the end, it made them both push and pull to lead to exactly the opposite of what either wanted.
@@stoodmuffinpersonal3144It’s not really an inferiority complex but generally more about low self-esteem that they both have
Stolas: I'll give you a choice
Also Stolas: I won't wait until you've made your choice.
Man was obsessed with the idea of a quick romantic gesture to solve everything. A tragic pitfall.
You know what's funny? Stolas is basically a king, yet he doesn't care at all about status and social stations. Blitzo, on the other hand, can't look past Stolas' status and only sees a high ranked demon lord instead of a person.
Well yeah, obviously. Because Blitzos entire species is oppressed. This whole deal only started because Blitzo desperately needed the book so that he could run his business. Kinda hard to ignore someone's higher status when you're constantly being treated like shit
I wonder what blitz would think of Charlie. She’s the princess of hell and is a sheltered, kind and cheerful person wanting to help sinners.
I wonder if blitz would think she’s faking being nice or is only helping sinners to make herself feel better cause she’s royalty and they are lower class. Neither would surprise me if he was skeptical of her personality
Well, it's far easier for a person in power to ignore status and station. Commoners have much bigger consequences to fear if they do that.
An extreme example would be that a slave owner can treat his slave like a friend without problem. But the slave needs the right timing, the right situation and the right mood from his owner to even think about that.
It's always easier to reach out if you're reaching down.
@@wrantheim6777 or if a slave and the master's daughter fall in love, the slave will be the one to suffer the consequences if they are caught.
Another reason why I dislike Blitzo. I'm tired of his fans always trying to push all their hate onto Stolas as if Stolas killed Blitzo's grandma
The only thing Stolas has was being born rich. Otherwise Blitzo has his fair share of being an asshole not only to Stolas but to everyone around him and people are mad at Stolas for actually trying to do the right thing? Yeah I don't want this relationship to work. Let Stolas be with another rich guy and let Blitzo rut in hell just to piss off his fans
Stolas deeply wanted Blitz to just look his way, but when he doesn't realize that Blitz simply misunderstands HE LOOKS AWAY😭😭😭
How can you blame him?
Blitz had SEVERAL opportunities and never batted an eye at Stolas unless he was being paid for it or given access to the grimoire. Blitz ghosted Stolas at every opportunity he got, the fact that Stolas took this long to get to the last straw is ridiculous.
Blitz reacted by screaming and cussing him out, and ended up getting a much deserved "kicked out" treatment.
@@ruiribeiro8010 that’s because Blitz didn’t feel the same way, Stolas had many chances to confess his love as well but didn’t choose to. Also, when Stolas tells Blitz that he only wanted sex, it is hypocritical of him to say considering the entire relationship was based off of that one thing in the first place. Stolas also didn’t give Blitz a chance to talk about the issues but rather he decided to walk away like a bratty 16 year old who got pissed after their parents said to clean their room.
@@ruiribeiro8010If they had an actual relationship beforehand that both parties agreed to on equal terms and footing, I'd agree with this.
However, he was literally being used for sex. Stolas could've ended the agreement at any time and just done this, but he waited. For a long while, Stolas was mostly in it for sex. There is a shift, and he did try to reach out, but Blitzo doesn't really owe him anything. I probably wouldn't want to spend genuine time with someone who for months only used me knowing my livelihood would be at stake if I didn't agree.
I understand why Stolas did what he did, I sympathize with it. To say Blitzo deserved it however, I disagree with.
@@cam_luong absolutely agree with this. i can see both perspectives and understand why both feel the way they do and why this went so wrong. and i did sympathize with stolas up until this point. but stolas' biggest flaw is that he sees him and blitz as equals and doesn't understand the power imbalance between them.
i think that while stolas wanted to express blitz had no obligations to him, he romanticized the idea of them being on a level playing field and unintentionally (key word unintentionally) made loving him back another obligation.
@@luceyferr oooo I love that insight in the last line, in a way you're definitely right because in order for Stolas to stay in Blitz life he had to give him a positive answer. I feel he may have just left Blitz if he had gotten a rejection upfront, it definitely feels plausible
I also spent the second half of their conversation shouting, LISTEN TO HIM STOLAS! SLOW DOWN! COME BACK! LISTEN!!!!!!! I was so proud of him in the beginning for being very clear and laying it all out so there WASN'T anything to misunderstand, and then the SECOND Blitz has control over the conversation he nopes out. There's no way they don't address it later. This is his whole journey he's on, unlearning his privilege, learning how his power affects others. He fixed the BIG power imbalance, now he's gotta learn the little stuff too.
I mean with how Stella verbally abused him half of his life, I’m pretty sure he was shutting down and freaking out because he was getting yelled at.
Beforehand he was talking, albeit while walking away probably so he didnt have to look Blitz in the eyes after being mocked (which Stella also has done, as well as the whole Ozzies thing).
@@psychauticaYes, Stella is terrible. But let's not pretend that Stolas still has a lot of work to do.
I do like how you pointed out how Stolas treated blitz from the start. Like, he already put blitz in a panic state by making him believe he was gonna lose the book. Not letting him have a moment to BREATHE and TAKE IN everything that's going on. Stolas dumped his feelings out and because he did, he can walk away thinking he has his answer, that he got HIS CLOSURE when he hasn't even let blitz speak. If he said he didn't realize he was being serious, weather it's genuine or him not taking it seriously was his impulsive defensiveness on his emotion, stolas should have let him talk even if he was hurt because this conversation isn't just about getting HIS closure but also Blitz if this relationship isn't gonna work. Running away after dropping a nuke on blitz is unfair to blitz and just leaves them confused hurt and angry for not even given a chance to speak.
I don’t see the scene as problematic. What unites these characters is that they both believe they’re unwanted/unloveable. Stolas’s rush to conclusions is in line with how Blitz has been for a long time. Stolas is becoming cynical like Blitz. Which in turn may prompt Blitz to reflect on his own pattern of behavior; how he just blew up relationship after relationship because he needed to confirm he was unloveable. He didn’t talk things out with Verosika, he just bailed.
No Blitz is the one on the receiving end of just being dismissed and not given a chance to explain or honestly discuss feelings. He’s pissed, he’s heartbroken, understandably so. But now he might finally get a chance to understand why him doing something similar in the past had also inspired such ire from former loved ones. That may lead him to try and figure out now that he has to get through to Stolas, which is fundamentally how to get through to himself.
How do you convince someone who thinks they’re unloveable that you actually care for and cherish them?
I love this comment because it acknowledges the fact that this is the first episode of the second half of season 1. This is meant to build up to a character arc for both Blitzo and Stolas overcoming their self-loathing issues.
This comment interested me since in the new Season 2 trailer Blitz gets to interact with Verosika again maybe this interaction will be brought up.
this is a great analysis, i think it sets up the following character arc well. by understanding what it felt like be pushed away, gives Blitzo a growth opportunity to confront himself.
@@SilverSnook7966 I would be very surprised if Blitzo and Verosika don't reconcile eventually. Blitzo's bad people skills and pushing people away go beyond Stolas and if left unchecked threaten to ruin his relationships with the M&M's and possibly Loona to if he gets a chance to fuck up with her. For Blitzo to get better, I think he needs to be honest about and check his bad behaviors towards others and recognize his conflict avoidance patterns in order to actively and meaningfully work against them, as well as owe some people some much needed and long overdue apologies. I don't know if he and Verosika will ever be cool again like him and Fizz working on rebuilding a relationship, but I could see them being square and Verosika appreciating a genuine apology from Blitzo. I wouldn't even be surprised if we eventually got a backstory episode showing us what Blitzo's and Verosika's relationship looked like.
Yeah! great analysis, the portraits with only Octavia uncovered do show Stolas is adapting similar behaviors as Blitz. This is probably the first time someone Blitz has pushed away isn't reacting by going all "fuck that guy" but actually showing how genuinely hurt they are about his behavior.
"Blitzø, I think so highly of you. I didn't know you thought so low of me." That line and Stolas crying is so heartbreaking. What a gut punch to end the episode on.
That line doesn't make much sense IMO. Stolas never outright told Blitz he thinks so highly of him. Is Stolas that ignorant to not realize Blitz has these feelings about this situation? Stolas never truly respected Blitz after all.
@@TheRibottoStudios I think its put like that: Stolas knew The Imps have a difficult relationship and he was aware that Blitz might be thinking of it as just a transaction. But he hoped that atleast some part cared he says "so" low. Like he wasnt expecting Blitz to be so opposed to him
@TheRibottoStudios You don't just look at one person first glance and know everything about them, their feelings and their issues...
@@skaynne54yh but it still doesn't make sense.
Blitzø has no reason to think that stolas wants anything outside of sex. They don't really talk outside of sex. They don't connect. They don't do shit. Why would blitzø think any different
@skaynne54 that's not what I'm saying. At all. Critical thinking seems to be a dead skill. Stolas has had more than enough interactions with Blitz to get an idea of him. To TALK with him.
But no. Bird and imp have failed at communicating. Big time. That's why they fell out. But for Stolas to flee before Blitz can even THINK isn't mature. Which makes sense given he probably isn't mentally matured. But it's no excuse for how Stolas treated Blitz from the jump; like a little plaything.
In my opinion, Stolas isnt critisising Blitzø, he's critisising himself. When he says the whole bit about how Blitzø can only see Stolas' feelings as sex, I see it as Stolas saying that he couldn't properly express his feelings until now, and that is why it went wrong, even though it was just Blitzø being Blitzø
"Look my waaaay" - stolas sang, while unable to turn to blitz even once in this episode.
Brandon Roger’s voice acting was at its peak during the ending scene. I pray the last episodes coming out this year keep the quality of Full Moon consistent.
It was painful, poor Brandon 😢
the voice acting was of course a massive part, but even the movement of Blitzø really helped to get across how he felt, his facial expressions showing his anger, disappointment and everything else
Brandon Roger's voice acting seems to be at its peak most/all of the time, to me
If you look closely at the pictures at the mansion, as Stolas trying to explain himself, it's noticeable that all of them are smudged or covered, except parts with Octavia. That completely shows that Stolas hates himself as much as Stella, just like Blitzø, with all pictures at his house with his own faces shaded.
Please. Stella does not hate herself. She’s just stuck up and literally awful at her core. 😂
I noticed that too!
Finally someone else pointing this out!
Or maybe Stella covered stolas, and as revenge Stolas covered Stella
@@shawerful5209that’s very unlikely.
I think the main problem here is the plot point of Stolas developing feelings for Blitz.
In season 1, we go from Harvest Moon and Truth Seekers where Stolas is belittling and using Blitz only for sex, then jump straight to Ozzie's where he develops feelings out of nowhere and is all excited to go on their first date.
Then season 2 goes back and tries to paint it as a childhood crush, that Stolas has had these feelings their entire time actually, and the rest of the season follows his efforts to make the relationship official, such as getting the Asmodean crystal, or the text messages after Striker's attack. We see all of it from Stolas's perspective, with the main plot primarily following him.
But Blitz didn't see ANY of that.
Blitz is completely correct, the "feelings bullshit" did come out of nowhere, since the events of Ozzie's are invalidated because of Stolas hiding his face, and the two of them haven't interacted since. Blitz is completely within his rights to call Stolas out on "playing with his feelings", and Stolas is absolutely abusing their power dynamic, *knowingly,* as we see from him debating the ethics of their deal.
Im just really worried because it looks like the story is going to focus on Blitz, and how he needs to change HIS toxic behaviour, without addressing the power dynamic and difference that's been there since day one. And yes, Stolas "thinks so highly" of him, but to Blitz, all it's been is belittlement and fetishization.
I love this show, but if they fumble this MAIN PLOT it will annoy me greatly.
Something I want to mention, solely in the perspective of Blitz, the feelings were there a while back Blitz was just too preoccupied to see them.
He came onto Stolas after a joke Stolas made, which Stolas preceded to get flustered and try to back off and reiterate he was kidding but Blitz doubled down to use it as a way to get grimoire.
Out of Blitz’s perspective we can also see that Stolas doesn’t engage until Blitz turns him on and THEN Stolas jumps into that episode 1 horny degenerate energy, because its what he thinks Blitz wants.
The feelings, or at least the respect and friendship, was there from when they were kids up until when Blitz tries to steal the grimoire.
I will admit Stolas is not good at picking up peoples energy, so when he’s condescending to Blitz he genuinely cant tell that Blitz doesnt appreciate it and is hurt by it, and Blitz has no idea that thats not how Stolas really feels because again, he was too preoccupied/doesn’t remember how Stolas acted when he tried to rob him.
100% agree with you
My main problem with Stolas's character character is that for all of the feelings he has for Blitz and for how highly he says he thinks of Blitz, he hasn't sat down and asked himself "What does Blitz need to feel loved."
He knows what he wants from Blitz but he's not thinking of what Blitz actually needs.
Turning Blitzo and Stolas' story into a B plot to the return of two of the show's worst villain groups was... a choice.
A lot of episode in the show can be
“A choice”
It didn't feel like a B plot. It felt like them setting up the A plot, then letting the B plot run in its entirety parallel to the A plot, then paying off the A plot.
It felt like the Cherubs were there to relieve tension while simultaneously creating it because of the time between the A plot setup and payoff.
Okay cherub slander is one thing but the two agents were always legitimately so much fun
What?
If anything the villains were the B plot. Not the other way around.
They were taken care of as the background of Blitz's sex toy shopping spree lmfao if that's not being the B plot then idk what is.
I actually like the cherubs
It really didn’t feel like Blitzø was trying to talk things out tho. He was just screaming, insulting, dragging Stolas. He was trying to get Stolas to scream back at him, to insult him back. That’s not an attempt at communication, it’s an attempt at reaffirming what Blitzø believes; that no one can actually love him.
Yeah, it felt like that to me too!
Yes and no, to be fair to Blitzo it was an incredibly shocking thing for him to hear and Stolas wasn't able to give him proper time to digest it. They both handled the situation poorly, but it's to be expected as they're emotional hurt people.
I felt the same. I get the "BRO, give me a minute to THINK" aspect. But, jumping directly into screaming and directly attacking him?... that's a behavioral pattern presented by some of the most toxic people I have ever met. :/ I assume, that in the show, there will be some big character arc for both of them.
However, in real life, when people act like that?: It tends to be super engrained, and any change is slim to none. That hope of 'change' in the other person is big reason people stay in abusive relationships.
(Not saying that Stolas is perfect by any means, but I wouldn't call him abusive).
@@HuntressCarolina8DI don't think Blitzo lashing out at Stolas like this is too unusual. I mean don't get me wrong, it certainly isn't nice and their entire relationship is pretty unhealthy. But having one big fight where you scream at someone isn't toxic. Sometimes it just happens, especially when the involved people are very emotional. It isn't a pattern yet, because this is the first time something like this happened between them
I think it's a bit of both. Blitz wanted to talk it out (which is huge for him), but he doesn't know HOW to, so he fell back on yelling and insulting to try and get Stolas to fight back instead of leaving.
As someone who cares far more about Stolas' happiness in this story than I do about their relationship, I really loved this episode. This was catharsis at its finest after everything their relationship has been throughout the show. Finally Stolas is speaking his mind and being true to himself. And now, they're in a much better position to either mend their relationship in the future or not, but either way they (or at least Stolas) will be far healthier.
Agreed
"The fact that you couldn't fathom that I might have these feelings for you, that your first instinct is that it's always... About sex... That's enough for me to know what this is"
Stolas has changed so much over the period of time between the season 1 finale to now that he has no idea how hypocritical that statement is. For all the introspection and strife Stolas has been through, when he finally has the bravery to be honest with Blitzo, From Blitz's perspective it must've been like Stolas just randomly became a good person out of buttfuck nowhere. No wonder he reacts the way he does, and gets so unbelievably pissed off at everything that follows. So Blitzo, Mr. "expert at pointing out people's flaws", does exactly that.
I'd like to point out that Blitzo says "after everything you put me through?" Blitz, at that point, wasn't entirely convinced that Stolas was being genuine. Or, maybe he did, but even IF Stolas was genuine, Blitz still thought that was absolute horseshit since Stolas treated him poorly for so long. He's not trying to have a calm and rational discussion about their feelings, he's picking a fight. So, Stolas breaks down and retreats.
"I think so highly of you. I didn't realize you think so low of me." comes more from a place of self-loathing. It's not "boohoo you hurt my feelings how dare you get outta my house" it's more "I respect your opinion greatly, and so for you to see me like this way, I see now that I am unworthy." Note that earlier in the episode Stolas said "Will I listen to him or the voice that says I'm not enough?" I mean, would Blitz have really changed his tune and tried to apologize right then and there because Stolas was crying? No, he recognised that feeling of being thought low of, and feeling low of yourself in-turn. Blitz is basically the master of that, after all.
Anyway yeah sorry for the essay but I think Apology tour will be just as much Stolas apologising to Blitz as it will be vice-versa
I sent this as a reply to a different comment but i think it fits here with the first part
Something I want to mention, solely in the perspective of Blitz, the feelings were there a while back Blitz was just too preoccupied to see them.
He came onto Stolas after a joke Stolas made, which Stolas preceded to get flustered and try to back off and reiterate he was kidding but Blitz doubled down to use it as a way to get grimoire.
Out of Blitz’s perspective we can also see that Stolas doesn’t engage until Blitz turns him on and THEN Stolas jumps into that episode 1 horny degenerate energy, because its what he thinks Blitz wants.
The feelings, or at least the respect and friendship, was there from when they were kids up until when Blitz tries to steal the grimoire.
I will admit Stolas is not good at picking up peoples energy, so when he’s condescending to Blitz he genuinely cant tell that Blitz doesnt appreciate it and is hurt by it, and Blitz has no idea that thats not how Stolas really feels because again, he was too preoccupied/doesn’t remember how Stolas acted when he tried to rob him.
I agree with the rest but it only feels like a 180 because he didnt pay attention to Stolas EVER. He didnt listen to Stolas when trying to steal his grimoire, he didn’t listen to him at Ozzies, and i doubt he really read through and processed Stolas’s texts.
He didnt even visit him in the hospital, where they couldve easily talked about things without Stolas running off and shutting down, because he was set in his mind that Stolas was some asshole elite who only saw him as a sex object.
I do think that Stolas is just as wrong, though, and that he should also be apologizing and working on his issues too.
I 100% agree about the cherubs. The moment I saw them in the thumbnail I felt instant dread. They just don't feel like they belonged here. Also yes Cletus's voice is beyond grading.
I SWEAR HE SOUNDED DIFFERENT THEN LAST TIME
@HexMyEnemies if u ever do rewatch it, notice how many times he switches between southern accent and his other accent
i was so disappointed because i thought the cherubs would be a whole separate episode and wouldn’t just be a b plot
@@BearSmoothie I feel like all the Cherubs sound different, except for maybe Keenie, but Cletus and Collin's are higher pitched then their previous appearance.
totally, like i feel like this whole wait for this episode was to focus on blitz and stolas but it felt rushed and short
"I think so highly of you, I didn't realize you thought so low of me" my heart shattered. We knew it was coming and we know they'll probably get back together but it still hurt. The voice actors delivered such a heart wrenching performance. At least the rest of IMP were absolutely awesome
honestly I think that line really shows how hypocritical stolas is, because his first thought throughout ALL of what blitz said wasn't "I didn't understand you felt this way" or any kind of sympathy or understanding- but (understandably) self pity and wallowing.
@@FranTheNerd Oh definitely
many are sayin he's manipulating Blitz by sayin that when he didn't impose it like "How dare you think so low of me?"
it was "I didn't REALIZE you think so low of me"
Honestly i just want Blitz and Stolas to finally figure out their issues together but this episode broke my heart 😭. Stolas realized that their transactional relationship wasn’t okay snd therefore made it so that Blitz wasn’t “forced” to stay with him, basically giving him the choice, and also expressed his true feelings about him. But then Blitz went into trauma response mode and decided this was a “joke” since he can’t fathom someone genuinely loving him. Stolas interpreted the mixed signal like Blitz not wanting him, and when he finally realized he hurt Stolas it was already too late 😭 This whole interaction was brutal, how both their issues got in the way of this moment that could have been their reconciliation. Vivziepop whyyyyy 😭
(I apologize for my essay but im way too emotionally invested)
@@Mary-Aurathe jumpscare of someone you're subscribed to commenting on your comment lol. Yeah you've got the right idea this was actually painful
big agree to everything you said about the stolitz scene! stolas frustrates me as a character because he has a ton of very interesting flaws, but the show doesn't seem to want to engage with them or acknowledge them at all. it really reminds me of rapunzel from tangled the series - a very flawed character who, instead of being allowed the room to grow, is treated as this perfect angel and the narrative bends over backwards to cater to them.
i really dont get people going crazy over the "I didn't realize you thought so low of me" thing either, because like... blitz's perception of stolas is very much founded in reality? stolas has been nothing but condescending towards the imps for basically the whole show. to me this whole scene just reads as stolas getting mad at blitz for drawing the logical conclusions from stolas' behaviour
YES!!!! I agree with you on How Stolas messed up the situation. Its almost like he felt this would all fall apart and it set it up, unintentionally or not, to fail. I was yelling at the screen for him to stop and listen to Blitzo .
FSR I haven't seen people give enough attention to "can I get a f- minute to think" from Blitz0. It's actually a very important part of the scene that no ones talking about.
THANK YOU. I am understand both sides but it's insane to me that Stolas said in the song that he'll 'believe' Blitz but proceeds to not give just a bit more to listen further to what Blitz had to say, I get that Stolas reacted out of shutting himself down and because of Stella's abuse but the pace of the episode was awfully too fast.
I agree! Every comment I have seen is mostly pitying Stolas, when in actuality, Stolas didn't even ask Blitz what he wanted. Stolas gets to put his feelings out there, and then the moment he is hurt, the conversation is over. Now, this is good in the writing, IMO, because people do this in real life. We often think we know what other people are thinking and feeling, and react on that assumption. But, it is annoying as fuck to be on the other side of the conversation and not get more than a sentence to add
@@solanaheartnah Blitz doesn’t WANT to believe it’s his choice! Literally Fizz knew that Stolas loved Blitz just from one sentence yet this red fucker keeps acting like woe is me! While Fizz who got blown up thrived Blitz kept moping like a loser
@@solanaheartIf you notice, he ran out of his antidepressants/ mood stabilizers. He was an emotional wreck.
for real, its one of the things that make me want to take Blitzo's side because he was just trying to comprehend the information he was just given.
Trauma to trauma communication.
They both are in the wrong and both are right at the same time.
Both hate themselves in different flavors.😅
Clown to clown communication lol
@@Le_Confuzzlement your comment got a chuckle out of me 😂 not the clown to clown communication
THANK YOU! Everyone in the comment is either just shiting on Blitzø or just shiting on Stolas I mean did everyone forget to put the pictures together?
Blitzø definitely could have reacted differently (even though we all knew he would react this way still not okay) and he should have communicated his confusion and frustration about this whole situation and instead of joking and yelling at Stolas for not listening yelling did nothing but made the situation worse
On the other hand Stolas should have definitely took a step back and thought about why Blitzø thinks like this about him (s1 e6 he literally called Blitzø ,,His impish little play thing" and never clearfyed that it wasn't his intention to treat him like a toy) and also Stolas just dumped this emotional stuff on Blitzø and didn't give him time at all to process (he himself struggled for weeks maybe even months to sort out his feelings but didn't give Blitzø even half of the time he needed himself to do the same)
They both have issues and trauma that they both need to fix and it's the fault of both of them that this turned into such a mess not just one of them both of them
@leonlol9465 neather of them has patience as well.
Blitz went straight to screaming, and Stolas went straight to shutting in.
Different maladaptive coping mechanisms.
They both need some introspection and time with themselves.
@@leonlol9465 Most definitely. They needed this breakup so that they can work on their communication skills cuz they have none. Then once they know how to communicate they can get back together and have a healthy functional relationship
Watching Blitzø's face throughout Stolas' confession, it really looks like, had he been given time to think he would've absolutely been happy about it. When Stolas explains what as Asmodean Crystal is Blitzø looks really touched, until Stolas explains that he's doing this so that he doesn't have to be roped into an unfair situation. Blitzø doesn't argue about the gift he's upset about it feeling like Stolas is trying to cut him off like Luna said. I absolutely agree, it is so frustrating that Stolas just refuses to hear anything Blitzø is trying to say and just shuts down completely. Especially at the end, when Blitzø is trying to argue. He's so prone to running so for him to start that conflict and say "Let's go" while kind of the worst way to handle that, it's his way of saying he wants to talk about it, and he wants to work on it, and Stolas just completely ignores him. Like, oh my god Stolas, you know that he's temperamental and stupid, just give him a chance to talk to you, this is what you've been waiting for! He's trying to connect and he is trying to get his thoughts straight, and its frustrating to see him just shut him down for critisizing how he's *shutting down*. Obviously Blitzø could've found a better way to say that all, but Stolas really needed to give him a moment before deciding what Blitzø was thinking.
Stolas also ran out of his antidepressants that day (shown in the duet) which I think explains his reaction and heightened sensitivity
I get really frustrated with people bashing Blitzø for his reaction.
People seem to forget that while WE have been able to see just how much Stolas is in love with Blitzø, Blitzø himself hasn’t. I mean- Stolas has multiple times degraded him(though he didn’t really mean to) in ways because he’s an imp. Two good examples being Stolas calling him an “Itty bitty imp” and him saying “Impish little plaything”.
How was Blitzø supposed to think Stolas actually loves and respects him after hearing him say stuff like that 🫠
Yup
To be fair, even Blitz says he has been avoding Stolas for Months, avoiding his questions and attempts to talk about what happened
Here is less that Blitz doesnt has the knowledge we have and more that he refuses to get it. He refuses to talk to stolas and has been ghosting him for months
@@mysticpumpkin8520 But he was ghosting Stolas because he was hurt by what Stolas did at Ozzie's, and didn't want to lose his access to the Grimoire.
Exactly! Yet the show and the fans treat it like it’s all Blitz’s fault. Stolas needs to be called out and face consequences too. Otherwise their relationship is shallow and toxic.
@@mysticpumpkin8520 Arguably, he has it, he's just not putting the pieces together. (See S2 E6 when caged with Fizz)
There's a foreshadowing thing that I noticed with Stolas was that at the beginning, there's a small scene that showed he was out of those "happy pills" that he usually takes. So I'm guessing that emotions for Stolas was heightened far more than usual during the confrontation which leads to the worst possible outcome for both of them.
He could've zipped down to sloth to get a refill.
@@NoirRaven but then everything would've ended in sunshine and rainbows, where's the fun in that lol.
Not to be the “Uhm actually guy”, but as someone who was on antidepressants. This doesn’t work this way. They have cumulative effect. Which means if he takes them for a long period of time one day without them wont change much 😔
@@eol273 however, I still believe that there had to be a reason for them to add in that "blink and you'll miss it" scene, right? If it wasn't some sort of foreshadowing for the ending confrontation then why was it there in the first place. They had to have added the scene deliberately for some reason, right?
And besides that, things when portrayed in media such as animated cartoons, movies, games,... aren't going to follow the rules of reality, at least not exactly and not always. For example, people can get shot multiple times in a game and heal themselves by wrapping a bandage over the wound which is definitely not what happens in real life.
@@eol273 not taking them for a day does affect things majorly just not every antidepressant
He says he wants Blizto to choose but, without asking any questions, he just shoves the Crystal in his face so he doesn't have to choose.
my guy i think you misunderstood stood the choice, the point of the crystal is granting him a choice, to either Leaving or still staying with stolas, and if he would’ve declined the crystal for whatever reason, he’d still be stuck in that deal, either you were doing something while watching the show not paying attention, or you were watching with your monitor off and your sound muted.
He’s giving him the crystal though so blitz doesn’t have to rely on him. Trying to fix the power imbalance of Blitz being in his debt
I fully agree with you in hoping the show going forward doesn't treat this fight like Stolas is the victim and Blitzo the bad guy, even despite the fact I think Stolas' perspective is understandable and very sad. I can see exactly why Stolas' various damage made him act that way, why he assumed defeat rather than listen to what Blitzo had to say and then wanting to end the interaction as quickly as possible. I sympathize, but he was still treating Blitzo poorly. I also think Blitzo has some misdeeds to answer for, having routinely treated Stolas as if he doesn't really have any feelings, which again, I can completely see why Blitzo's self-hate leads him to assume he couldn't possibly matter to Stolas and why the social power dynamic makes him think Stolas is invulnerable. It would leave something lacking for the narrative to treat either side as if they're blameless and have nothing to learn or to work on, because the dynamic is so interesting precisely because it's so easy to sympathize with the trauma and flawed assumptions that make each of the characters act the way they do.
Why didn't Stolas let Blitzo apologise? It is because the latter's angry rant at him may have reminded him about Stella's constant tirades.
Yeah, I think that's it. Stolas seemed very triggered by Blitzø--someone he ACTUALLY loves--yelling at him in the same way that Stella had yelled at and verbally abused him all those years. His trauma got the best of him in that moment and he chose just to stop the situation, unfortunately, right when it was about to get good...
Ah well, at least this way we have a whole season to look forward to Blitzø making crazy attempts to apologize to Stolas! lol
@@lizzb1065 and he hates himself, just like Blitzo with all the portraits in his mansion
@@lizzb1065 Poor man. I already can't handle being yelled/screamed at and I don't even have trauma from it. I can't imagine what it would be like to have to sit through someone you love yell at you when you already have trauma from that from someone who physically and verbally abused you for years...
@@jubileebaby0 Stolas and Blitzø both having self-loathing issues breaks my heart every time I see it on screen. 💔😢 I'm like, YOU WOULD BOTH BE SO GOOD FOR EACH OTHER IF YOU'D JUST STOP BEING SO BAD FOR YOURSELVES!!11 lol
@@Lulu_Loves_Sheep That would be insanely intense, for sure. I thought the episode did a good job of portraying so many complex and uncomfortable feelings! Unlike the commentator in this video, I thought that Stolitz being the side plot made it MORE impactful than it would have been as the main focus. The brevity makes me want more, lol. But different opinions are great; I love the perspective they showed about Stolas, because I think I was giving him a bit TOO much benefit of the doubt as the victim. I was happy to learn something new. Both characters truly have an equal amount of development to make before they can reconcile, and I'm confident SpindleHorse can do it. Super excited for what's to come!
As a small note from my viewing for the final scene- I don't think Blitz was thinking in the moment "I'm not leaving, we're going to sort this out" I think he was clearly spiralling into a blind rage and spewing shit to hurt Stolas; real issues that he feels, but meant to be hurtful. I think the way he kicks the door and just loses it, and when he screams "Let's go!" is him wanting a fight. Not a physical one, but I mean he is most likely used to people like Verosika who will just scream back at him. Its what Blitz knows, and his defaulting to it as a reflex and most likely wants Stolas to fight back so he can further justify that he's unlovable and it couldn't of ever worked out.
The issue is, and I love the detail if its intentional, is that Stolas is from an abusive relationship. Its shown that Stella is physically abusive but chiefly she is verbally abusive. In that moment, chasing him down and screaming, Blitz is just making himself seem just like Stella. Stolas does exactly what I'm sure he's done with stella, he hides himself and lets himself get abused and he knows its not worth fighting back or defuse the scenario; even if he should for his and Blitz sake. He just accepts the hate at face value, and then runs away because that's what he knows.
It sucks, but it does show their awful lovelives still affecting them.
100% agree. Blitz brings up good points but to assume he was willing to go ahead with the conversation rationally is just not like him at this current point. Plus he is intentionally looking to hurt Stolas with words the way he'd felt hurt by his unintended but harmful behaviours and actions. It's only after he sees Stolas cry with just how affected he was did he realised that he took a step further than needed. Stolas in no way could have had a serious conversation at that moment with someone like that
I see what you’re saying, and 100% agree about the Stella parallel, but I might be able offer some insight on what may have been happening on Blitz’s end.
I will preface this by saying that I am not intending to excuse his behavior nor saying that Stolas should have accommodated it in any way. Just offering some potential insight on how exactly that was an attempt to talk things out.
As someone who is similar to Blitz (but has gotten therapy unlike him lol), I think that him hurling insults at Stolas served two purposes. One, to try to get Stolas to stop walking away. If someone is defending themselves and screaming back, they are at least no longer walking away and still engaging in the conversation. Two, he was expressing how he felt. Sure, it's not things that were actually true, but he doesn't know how to express that he felt that way without phrasing it in a very hurtful and unhelpful way.
So him screaming that he won't let Stolas dismiss him and saying "let's go, bitch", was him willing to stick around and actually hash things out, which is a HUGE thing for him to be willing to do.
Is that still the worst possible way to attempt that and less than the bare minimum in a healthy relationship? Absolutely. But the best way to understand him, is to compare him to his past behavior, like the way that he intentionally blew up his relationship with Verosika, not to what it *should* be. Not to excuse his behavior. Just to understand it.
I agree mostly with this but one small difference. I don't think Blitz wanted to fight Stolas so he could justify his bias of being unloved, rather I think he wanted Stolas to fight back because it would mean Stolas cares from his perspective. Stolas fighting would show Blitz he hadn't given up on him, and no matter how terrible Blitz is being Stolas is still there. That at Blitz's worse Stolas wouldn't leave him.
Unfortunately that's not how Stolas deals with conflict. He simply can't and shuts down. He has no fight. He cares for Blitz but he doesn't show that through fighting back.
@@pantinaprovina42 Okay you've posted this twice and if you have to say you're not defending/excusing, you are. Let's drop the needless disclaimers and just be real here: Blitz fucked this up, as he always does. His rant hasn't been valid since season two started, wasn't even about the shit at Ozzies (like it should've been) nor the verbal abuse/patronizing he got from Stolas in season one. It was a tirade on how the higher ups treat imps, him being verbally assaulting and wanting to physically _fight_ Stolas because he was triggered by his own idiocy and ineptitude. That's it.
BTW I am also someone who can, sadly, identify with Blitzo and has also gone to therapy. He had a needless tantrum, one he caused by not listening to Stolas and taking it for what it was, despite recognizing it was real at multiple points, he just _would not_ accept the reality being dealt to him so I can't find any validation in his actions nor do I feel he's deserving of understanding. He fucked this up. He alone. I don't agree that Stolas is being hypocritical here so much as he's further into the book than Blitzo is (who's yet to even open it.)
@@ksara2883 On the contrary I think him picking a fight was to get the confirmation that he is unloved. Even if Stolas would have repeated his point as blitz demanded, he still firmly believes he is unlovable. I mean... The previous convo is as spelled out as it can get with two emotionally stunted individuals who can't communicate to save their life. What Blitz didn't realise is Stoliz isn't emotionally prepared or capable of handling raw emotional rage induced conversation. And while it's cute and sad that he tried to apologise but got kicked out, it just reaffirms that Blitz didn't learn from the first time. He still believes Stolas to be infallible who can doesn't have time to listen to him not realising that Stolas simply shutdown. Similarly Stolas doesn't really know the type of person Blitz is and never took notice which is something he does often that needs to change.
Thank you! I saw so many people saying that Stolas was right but Blitzø's emotions and opinions about this whole thing were valid. From self hate to Stolas playing with him even though Stolas realized it and tried to fix it. How could he understand that all of this wasn't some prank or joke? And in the end when he realized that Stolas wasn't trying to get rid of him and that he said some awful things, he tried to apologize which is very out of character for Blitzø.
THANK YOU OMG. EVERYONE HAS BEEN GLAZZINGGGG STOLAS. LIKE HE IS THE VICTIM ENTIRELY. THEY BOTH PLAYED NEGATIVE PARTS IN THE RELATIONSHIP, BUT DURING THAT CONVERSATION, HE WALKS AWAY IMMEDIATELY. HE PROCEEDED TO RUN AWAY FROM THE CONFRONTATION AND EQUALLY MISREADS BLITZOS REACTION.
Stolas'es actions were definitely in character though. He hates confrontation. Just look at his entire marriage. He didn't go through with divorcing Stella for months after saying he wanted a divorce. He backs down easily and prefers to avoid conflict rather than try to talk things out
Exactly. That's another of his issues.
He wasn’t talking he was yelling, which is an important distinction in the situation.
Yeah people on Blitzø's side seem to act like it was okay for him to yell and shit talk. Like it made sense for Blitzø to react like that BUT that does not make it okay and Stolas's reaction to Blitzø's reaction also made sense. I'm honestly understanding both of them
@@lilylookittykyu3115 Thank you! I just got done telling someone that I was more on Stolas's side. Stolas shouldve cleared up the misunderstanding and been more clear from the beginning, and given Blitzo time to think. Other than that, I dont really think he did much wrong.
Start with the rock then ask for the book back explaining why, this keeps it from seeming like a breakup and making Blitzo panic. When Blitz thinks youre joking, even though it hurt, work through it and tell him that youre serious, then tell him if he needs time to think about it he can. Boom, problems solved. At that point if Blitzo acts the same thats completely on him.
@@tigerfalco Yes exactly. I feel like Stolas was just not good at exporting what he wanted to say. He should have done it the way you said because that probably would slightly change Blitzø's reaction (hopefully 😭) but at the same time it makes sense why Stolas is not good at communicating. Just think of all the relationships he's had communicating in...oh right- 😀 and the way his dad communicated with him just shows 💀
No Stolas invalidated blitzo’s emotions after he manipulated him into a sexual relationship. And Stolas does recognize the power imbalance that’s why he’s doing what he’s doing. Blitzo didn’t even get a moment to process the gift before Stolas love bombed him. Yes Blitzo yelled but pretending he started off angry is childish
@@lilylookittykyu3115Stolas talked shit first? He literally invalidated Blitzo’s feelings right after love bombing him if the scene were told from Blitzo’s perspective instead of Stolas I’m sure everyone would be talking about how Stolas was manipulating him
Stolaz is anxiously attached. Blitz is avoidantly attached.
Mention that blitz his dad did horrible things and blitz did used Verosika money, stolen car and her. Yup, he is fearful avoidant. Totally sucks to see a blitz acting like this.
God I love this video. It encapsulates everything that I was thinking about the episode. Stolas just doesn't listen and only thinks about how HE feels about the situation. That blitz's emotions are simple and by him being the savior by freeing him it'll all be made better. That so what if he was showing blitz that he was ashamed of being with him at Ozzie's. So what about his making it primarily about sex. Now that HE doesn't want it primarily about sex he gets offended that blitz thinks that this is still the whole situation. Blitz may have not considered Stolas's feelings too, but at least he didn't try to put a layer of self righteousness of his own opinion to stolas.
I agree 100% that I hope that Stolas recognizes that he has done a lot wrong too. And he in turn tries to listen to Blitz. Also I hope that blitz can actually consider that maybe this blueblood actually likes him for him, despite who he perceives himself to be.
Well, in order for them to progress, Stolas will have to work on himself in the same way blitz is going to have to.
Especially with his inability to listen, recognize there's a massive class divide, and that he needs to get the fact that as a prince of hell, he's been afforded certain privileges, and that he needs to treat the ends and hellhounds better.
I hope this gets addressed in the show.
I saw in another comment that Stolas was reminded of Stella for when she would yell and insult him. My head cannon is that that's one of the reasons why he sent Blitz out of the house because he couldn't go through what he did with his wife again but with Blitz. You can see that in the cloth covering the portraits in his house you can only see Octavia. He's covering up all the bad memories in house except for his daugter
The Fizzi fist bump warms my heart
YES IT WAS SO GOOD TO SEE THEM ON GOOD TERMS
It's gonna SUCK when Satan removes him from Ozzie's life.
@@harkaway9006 If you mean Lucifer, I don't see how that big softie would tear two happy people apart, despite their differing classes. Unless Lucifer/Satan is a different guy in Helluva-verse.
@@raixizhenshi Completely different. And Satan was the one who created Hell in the first place.
The one thing that annoyed me (in addition to everything you hit on) is that Stolas never actually apologized for his actions to Blitz. He only said that the circumstances between them were wrong and that it couldn't continue, but he never said it was because of his own actions forcing the issue. It was like he diplomatically phrased it in such a way as to avoid saying he mistreated Blitz. At times it almost sounded like it was mutually a mistake. "This is wrong, and it can not continue" instead of "I wronged you, and I deeply apologize. Please forgive me."
(Cut to Charlie: "It starts with sorry." *blink blink* )
Stolas self-sabotaged the relationship here. I don't think it was intentional, but if Stolas couldn't anticipate Blitz's initial reactions to any extent, then I think that Stolas doesn't truly understand Blitz at all. (That or he doesn't understand how people work. I mean, he likes Blitz being a "bad boy" in bed, but he doesn't get that Blitz acts that way outside of the bedroom too?) I do hope both find good healthy relationships, but at this point I really don't think they are actually right for each other. I think Stolas just latched onto Blitz due to his desperation to escape Stella and the moments of escape he gets with Blitz were his only ability to vent. But I think Stolas might be over-romanticizing too much without actually getting to know him. Things might change in the future where they could work together, but right now I don't see it - even if Blitz wants it.
Blitzø was never mistreated. All he had to do was have sex with him and considering one of blitzø's hobbies is screwing guys anyway, that shouldn't be an issue for him 😂
Also remember that Stolas didn’t apologize after the incident at the Ozzie’s
I’m glad to hear something other than the “Stolas is a baby boy that has never done anything wrong” that you hear from the fandom.
The parallel of Blitzø now being left alone, at night in front of Stolas’s home. The same thing Blitzø did to him, is heartbreaking.
Also Stolas flinching away from Blitzø’s hand.
The opposite happened at Ozzie’s
Deserved tho, imo. He was a bastard during this entire thing.
I know the whole why are the rest of the cast following Blitz was odd but I found it kinda funny considering how much he stalks everyone else’s private life
I’m honestly so glad I’m not the only one who feels extremely frustrated by the ending. I mean don’t get me wrong, it’s very real, and this is something that happens in actual relationships. Some people just absolutely blow ass at communication, and it’s really really frustrating to watch from an outside perspective. Stolas was hearing Blitz, but he wasn’t listening at all. And some of you guys might get mad at me for this, but the whole “I think so highly of you, I didn’t realize you thought so little of me” just seems like once again, he’s making it about himself. I don’t think he’s doing it intentionally of course, but all he got out of Blitz CLEARLY trying to express his OWN insecurities was “He thinks poorly of me”. Are you actually serious? He essentially invited Blitz over for a one-sided communication and conversation, which, by the way, IS NOT A CONVERSATION- it is not a conversation if you do not allow the other person to get a word in. It is incredibly immature to just say what you want to say, make assumptions, and then walk away, not letting the other person explain themselves. I understand that he was highly emotional, but he essentially just stone-walled Blitz. I honestly think that Blitz had absolutely every right to react the way he did here.
To be honest, I had seen Stolas' scenes as more as him hating himself and seeing himself as the problem for making Blitzo think that their relationship was strictly sex based so he felt as if had to stop the relationship for Blitz's sake up until Blitz yelled at him- saying things I felt could be compared to what Striker had said to him which made him probably compare Blitz to Striker at that moment, that or comparing him to Stella. I do think this whole thing was indeed just another misunderstanding between the two.
I’ve seen a few people saying that Stolas dumping his feelings on Blitz with no time for him to think was bad of him. But I personally don’t agree that this is the case.
They’ve been suggesting for a while that Stolas has been trying to explain to Blitz he wants more than just a physical relationship; like after the fallout of their ‘date’ at Oz’s and after Stolas gets kidnapped by Striker. But because Stolas has no idea how to communicate with Blitz he’s been backing down or giving him an out each time because he didn’t want to force Blitz out of his comfort zone; which I think is why they haven’t met up for a few months like Blitz says. Blitz even outright says he’s been avoiding talking to Stolas in the song when he says he’s been “avoiding his questions”.
So it’s implied Stolas has been trying to have this heavy conversation with Blitz for a while but Blitz keeps avoiding it. For me it makes sense Stolas assumes Blitz doesn’t care when he thinks Stolas is joking; after he’s been avoiding him for so long, even going as far as not replying to Stolas’ request to see him when he was in hospital.
Blitz himself says he’s been avoiding Stolas and that he doesn’t like that their relationship has become “complicated”, because his own issues are causing him to be self sabotaging again and Stolas’ communication skills are abysmal but if you give someone an option to not see you and they choose to take that every single time then you would assume they don’t like you, even without the self worth issues Stolas has.
Thanks! This is what was bothering me so much! Stolas didn't shove this on Blitz. He's been trying to communicate for months. This is just the camel's back breaking
THIS!
@@daninb8939 I think after Oz’s Stolas did realise that the relationship was wrong and the end of Full Moon is him trying to set new boundaries that will be better for him and Blitz. I think it’s also interesting to consider that while both Blitz and Stolas acknowledged there was something wrong in the opening song they both chose to deal with it differently. Stolas decided he would talk to Blitz and offer him an out if he wanted it; while Blitz’s response when he thought Stolas wasn’t interested was agonising over the book and go shopping for sex toys.
It’s fair for Blitz to be worried about the book because his whole business relies on it but it never occurred to him that asking Stolas if something was wrong and try and talk to each other; communication was never an option to Blitz because he doesn’t want to talk about it. Blitz thought that changing what they did in the bedroom was enough to sweep the issue under the carpet
Agreed!
@@Halfbad-bf1lt Great commentary, my friend! These types of analysis are why we flock to videos like this one in the first place. haha
I think it's an important thing to note that we all knew blitz would react like this- EVERYONE did....apart from stolas because as much as he loves blitz he is equally a dumbass lmao
Blitz has a point, Stolas can't understand this idea that blitz thinks so low of himself he could not even begin to imagine someone liking him not because of stolas's actions- but because of blitz's past and issues.
and let me be clear, I adore that stolas is a hypocrite I think it actually adds to his character because it's realistic
@FranTheNerd I just hope the show doesn't forget about Stolas being such a hypocrite in the next episodes. I'd be pretty frustrated if he just starts to act really petty towards Blitzo and we as the viewer are just supposed to side with stolas. It kinda looked like that in the trailer, but that might just be the editing. Either way, it doesn't stop some fans from acting like Stolas did nothing wrong. Which is also very annoying
@@snakesareamazing I feel like Ozzie and Fizzaroli are going to call Stolas and Blitz out on their bullshit later on, and that will help them see what they did wrong and get the process started on fixing their relationship.
I really wanted to think blitz would take some time to think but even I couldn’t disagree that we all saw this coming
@@snakesareamazing I don't know, I am firmly I'm the "It's Blitzø's fault" camp. I don't see what Stolas did as nearly as negative as what Blitzø did. I would kicked an mfer out of my house way sooner for lashing out at me and yelling, if he wants to talk, I have all the time in the world, but no yelling or insulting me. Not to mention that the song at the beginning is shows that Blitzø realize something is changing and actively refuse to think about it, while Stolas is thinking about and putting effor in.
Blitzø's angry burst out saying Stolas laid this bullshit on him out of nowhere makes me believe the writers intended to point out Stolas' mistakes too. We rarely see Blitzø showing such intense emotions in earnest and they could have given him the most file dialogue ever under the guise of him being "blinded by rage". But the comment about Stolas startling with this out of nowhere is genuinly a good point.
Stolas is a good guy that fails to see others perspective
Blitzo is a good guy that fails to let others see his perspective
Seriously: instead of the cherubs, it would be so cool to see the gang just following blitz around (they were already doing that) and we seeing them discuss about Stolitz. It would bring SO MUCH depth about the relashionship within the gang
i think it woulda been funny to watch the gang watch the cherubs if the cherubs *had* to be in this episode
The rage of Blitzø and the sadness of Stolas... Brandon and Bryce did an amazing work here.
"I didn't realize you think so low of me." Holy hell the voice acting was PHENOMENAL, obviously the voice acting before that scene with Blitzø yelling was just as phenomenal nothing can beat a broken and sad voice like that holy...
I appreciate seeing someone who is also giving Stolas some well deserved flack.
I think people don't quite realize the power imbalance between these two characters and how much of an impact that can have. Like, Stolas is asking Bliz for sex, with the underlying threat existing (even if Stolas doesn't say it out loud), that if he doesn't, he will lose the book that *allows him to run his company and make his livelihood* (I.M.P means a lot more than that to Bliz, considering that pre Season 2 Episode 6, Moxie and Millie (and Luna to an extent) were pretty much the only people in his life that didn't want him dead in a field. (Besides Stolas obviously))
I don't think Stolas truly understands this either. On paper, it might seem like Blitz is the dense/cold one for rejecting/not seeing Stolas' attempts at non sexual affection as a genuine desire to change their relationship, but ESPECIALLY for someone as mentally fucked up as Blitz, that's gotta be hella confusing. Imagine someone who you have a transnational sex relationship with, suddenly starts acting more emotionally affectionate. That's gotta be confusing. The power imbalance and possibility of it being a misunderstanding would definitely dis-sway one from risking the vulnerability of considering such a relationship.
A lot of it comes down to bad communication. Blitz is ignorant/guarded, to an extent by choice perhaps and assumes things about peoples actions, without talking about it. Stolas tries to communicate, failing to realize that the person/context he's dealing with, can make his actions come off as confusing
Just wanna start out by saying this was one of my favorite episodes yet, absolutely great work by the VA's. The moment when Blitzø started yelling at Stolas and the brief pause as he caught his breath, the ending line "I'm not letting you". I could not help but feel relief, for him and with myself.
But, to the point now - Blitzø has been holding back that rage, and sense of injustice for sooo long, the stigma imps face and embodying it into the face of Stolas - having an outlet for it (although hiiiighly displaced, since Stolas clearly cares about him). I could not help but feel relieved for him, that was his one brief moment of peace. That second of clarity, and power! Only to be blipped away immediately after... Not even having the time to process what Stolas was really saying, that Blitzø f**ked up, abandonment kicking in by trying to apologize immediately.
As much as I feel bad for Stolas, and how vulnerable he truly was to him... I cannot help but heavily sympathize with Blitzø. Maybe because I've been in very similar shoes, maybe for other more petty selfish reasons. But I feel bad for Blitz. He had been building up these anxiety's all day, avoiding what could potentially happen in his mind, only for it all to happen so fast. I hope in the future he will realize his worth, and that he has power now, he can go wherever he chooses. Which includes the power to be vulnerable without being... enraged, unsure allll the time that just feeds into his cloud of insecurities, and feeling utterly unappreciated.
Sidenote: furthermore, my biggest grievance was Stolas not really giving Blitzø a moment to talk about or even think about what he confronted him with, without even a warning. Especially starting with "give me my stuff back" immediately triggers the "oh god, he's leaving me. I wasnt good enough". The same feelings Stolas has also been feeling the whole time! Overall, I'm on Blitzø's side - I'd be pretty pissed too.
Honestly my reaction was "Holy sht, they both suck" They know absolutely NOTHING about each other because if Stolas can't comprehend why Blitzø isn't able to take his confession seriously and Blitzø doesn't know who much of a drama queen and socially awkward Stolas is (of course he would make such a spectacle on giving the crystal) then these two have no foundation to be in a relationship.
Still leaning a bit more on Blitzø side because the whole "I love you" after MONTHS of not talking sure would feel out of nowhere. But still, communication was never in the chat with these two
Rant aside, I did like how Stolas almost gave in to Blitzø, showing how it would've been so easy to fall back into their old ways. Nicely done!
Personally I am more on Stolas' side. But that is not really important.
But both suck at communicating and know nothing of each other. They are probably endgame but they need to get to know each other on a different level.
Up until now they were fuckbuddies. Stolas made the right call trying to give Blitz the option and allow Blitz to not have sex with him to keep the book. In turn Blitz did what Blitz did and avoided contact as much as possible. Then Stolas wanted to give Blitz total freedom through the asmodian crystal. Hoping that Blitz might respond in a way he hoped Blitz would respond. Wich is a very human thing btw.
I think it is easy to forget that Stolas doesn't know Blitz the same way we, the Audience know them both.
We know Stolas and Blitz are idiots. But they see each other differently. Stolas saw the dominant side of Blitz, he idolizes him. Blitz in turn thinks that Stolas couldn't love him, because no one could especially not someone like Stolas, who is rich and powerful and a high ranking demon. And furthermore the most Blitz knows about Stolas and his relationship is that Stolas likes the sexsessions more than Stolas likes Blitz.
Because that is when they interact the most.
Overall it is a frustrating situation. But it makes a lot of sense considering the circumstances and the characters.
And yet the show is gonna push them to end up together because…
(In my opinion these two really should just end up being friends. Or at least show that they’re starting on crush terms. As having the show end with these two as a couple just wouldn’t feel right given how little chemistry these two have)
I agree. It should have been asked: do you actually love and care about the other beyond arbitrary reasons, (example: he makes me happy or brings joy into my life), or do you just love the excitement and other benefits the arrangement brings? If this had been asked during "The Circus" it would have laid a much stronger foundation for all of the drama (which is all over the place), and made the decision at the end of "The Full Moon" more impactful.
@@ShadowKitty7908 I think I agree that realistically it would probably be better if they started over as friends, but given the long gaps between episodes and not knowing how long Helluva will run, I suspect they'll probably speedrun them into being together once they unload their emotional baggage. I only hope that if S2 finale -> season 3 beginning is them together, it's still treated carefully and allows them to go slow. I absolutely think they need to know each other much more and these are still two emotionally stunted and traumatized depressed idiots, so it would be refreshing to get a series that depicts relationships as not perfect and shows that they'll get it wrong and probably hurt each other again, but critically have them both make the effort to not avoid their feelings and work together to resolve the issue and apologize and make it up to the other when they inevitably fail again, until they start to understand each other. It would feel wrong if they get together and they're both head over heels for each other, I definitely think with where they're at now, clumsy awkward trainwrecks who are trying to be better people to each other and to others they care about and trying to heal with each might be the vibe.
@@gregvs.theworld451 oh Viv said it's a set in stone 4 season show so, we do have some idea. I just hope it'd be at the very end of season 4 if they have to get together, give the longest time allocated to them actually growing
While I do agree with Stolas not seeing the full picture despite attempting to fix their situation, I can't actually be frustrated with Stolas.... He was soo anxious and out of medication, and Blitz following him screaming is just... he's so used to an abusive household. And then Blitz' "lets talk??!" outburst (which came out differently than he meant) confirmed everything Stolas was worried about; that Blitz was trapped and that Blitz hates him. ("I'll believe him, and not the voice that says I'm not enough")
And another tragic part is that, if Stolas hadn't run away, he wouldn't have heard just the screaming, but he would have seen tears too.
Gahhh, I love these two and how their issues/traumas align in such disastrous ways ahshshs- it's a crashing train but its so deeply beautiful in how natural and character-driven it feels.
anyway this comment will drown in the flood of copy-paste bot comments woooo
Hey, I've seen your comment at least 😅
Plus I agree with your read of things. To me, the ending of the episode was a great example of a conflict-averse personality clashing with a combative personality and how ugly this scenario can get. Although I really hoped that wouldn't be the case.
So about Stolas being a hypocrite, my argument is that, they haven't had ANY physical contact for a pretty long time and the whole time Stolas has been actively try to help Blitzø. So yeah, it started with sex but now the situation has changed, Stolas used sex as an excuse to be with Blitzø, now he was the relationship regardless of the sex.
Also about the actual fight between Stolas and Blitzø, Stolas has recognized how toxic this relationship is and wants to move on, Blitzø can't recognize that. But just because he's too dumb to see that isn't enough of a reason for either of them to stay.
I think the flaw that really highlights this episode in relation to Stolas and Blitzø is how self-centered they avtually are. Both of them ARE give valid arguments and are comming from an understandable place, but they can't see it through each others perspective. Stolas has been in a toxic relationship and he solved it by leaving, Blitzø has been traumatized by people leaving. They are diametrically opposed as characters right now in their character arcs. Which is one of their biggest issues.
EDIT: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the last time they flirted was Western Energy, after that there was 4 episode after that showing how Stolas was intentionally. avoiding having sex with Blitzø.
"If from here the story turns to primarily just being about Blitz owning up to HIS behavior... I'm going to lose my mind."
Boy, do I have news for you.
I agree, from this perspective the new episode could be a bit concerning, however, there was a moment that I specifically latched onto while watching episode 9 that stuck out to me because I remembered this point in this video. In Stolas’ song, there seems to be a point midway through the lyrics where he is genuinely questioning whether there might be something he should be learning from Blitz (this essentially makes me believe that he does know, at least on a subconscious level, that Blitz isn’t the only one who’s f’d up). I think, in a sense, this saves the situation for now. It makes me think that, while for now they’ve put a lot of emphasis on Blitz having to become a better person, they aren’t completely dismissing the same for Stolas and will be focusing more heavily on his development later. I *hope* episode 9 just happened to be the first step of the show focusing on Blitz’s character growth and that it with later tackle the ways in which Stolas needs to change as well. I don’t yet think it’s entirely out of the cards.
I don't think Stolas acting differently is hypocrisy, I think it's the result of a change in mentality. At the beginning of their transactional relationship, Stolas had the physical side, but not the sentimental one from Blitz's side, and that was enough for him at the moment. But over time, I think that Stolas got tired of just bedding and needed to find out what Blitz's true feelings are.
Edit: And about the last part, I know Blitz is afraid of being thrown away, but Stolas opened up to him and Blitz mocked him. That night was a lot of pressure for both of them, and both got broken.
“I wanted…no, I NEEDED Full Moon.” GIRL SAME this breakup was everything I wanted. Blitzø realizing he’s actually really hurt someone, Stolas taking the initiative in the break up, and so much DRAMA to chew on until the end of the season (or Mastermind if that’s where the clip of Blitzø saving Stolas from Andrealphus is from).
I find it interesting how polarized people are being with the two. I can see myself in Blitz and his self sabotaging and I can agree that Stolas had good intentions. But I agree, there’s more blame on Stolas and his approach. And it’s really weird how a lot of people have been acting like one trauma is worse than the other, when in therapy we are taught that no trauma is above the other.
I'm sick of people to either just shit on Blitzø or just shit on Stolas because of this whole mess I mean did everyone forget to put the pictures together?
Blitzø definitely could have reacted differently (even though we all knew he would react this way still not okay) and he should have communicated his confusion and frustration about this whole situation instead of joking and yelling at Stolas for not listening yelling did nothing but made the situation worse
On the other hand Stolas should have definitely took a step back and thought about why Blitzø thinks like this about him (s1 e6 he literally called Blitzø ,,His impish little play thing" and never clearfyed that it wasn't his intention to treat him like a toy) and also Stolas just dumped this emotional stuff on Blitzø and didn't give him time at all to process (he himself struggled for weeks maybe even months to sort out his feelings but didn't give Blitzø even half of the time he needed himself to do the same)
They both have issues and trauma that they both need to fix and it's the fault of both of them that this turned into such a mess not just one of them both of them
When you think about it, neither of them can understand each other. Considering they never had any more of a glimpse into each others lives, they are from VERY different worlds.
For me, I took it as Stolas wanting to do something right but completely missing the fact that Blitz wasn’t going to take it well. And when he lashed out, it hurt Stolas personally because in his mind, he was doing something right and he cast him out. I can definitely see that both sides felt justified and not justified at the same time, but I don’t think this is the big moment. I think it’s Apology Tour.
That whole episode is going to be Blitz making up with Stolas and Verosika, and maybe both of them (Stolas and Verosika) can talk with Blitz and maybe they can reflect on how they behaved in their respective relationships like “Yes, he was shitty, but maybe I was shitty too with some of my actions”. I do want to see them put Blitz down, but I don’t want it to be the ENTIRE episode. I feel like Stolas and Verosika to an extent can maybe reflect and maybe understand that some of their actions weren’t right.
All in all, Full Moon felt like a two parter to me, because I know Apology Tour is next, and THAT’S the one I want to look out for to see if this will work.
Verosika being partly at fault for her relationship with Blitzø is kinda debatable, we’ll probably need at least one flashback of them together to show where she also might’ve been wrong
@IcyDiamond agree we only have 1 half of the story
@@IcyDiamond blitzo's voice actor made a statment akin to that once though considering that succubi have freeish access to the human world, its possible their relationship started from blitzo exploiting.
I mean.. Verosika didn't do anything wrong as far as I'm concerned. No wrongs of hers were ever mentioned when she appeared meaning most likely it was just Blitzo messing up.
I'm praying that the show embraces that Stolas has flaws and shouldn't be glossed over because of his charm or how we sympathize with him or how likeable and well-spoken he can be. It's really gonna fuck with me if they set up all this classism, the fact that there's an unhealthy power dynamic, and have Blitzo literally point out Stolas's problem in this episode just to say "yeah, actually Blitzo was in the wrong here and Stolas can do no wrong" *again* . I will riot.
I think (and of course hope) that the flaw they're trying to show with Stolas is how he is still unwilling to fully and outwardly acknowledge the flaws within himself. Has Stolas realized that the way he was demeaning and condescending to Blitzo was fucked up? Yes. Has Stolas changed the way he treats Blitzo? Yes. Has Stolas acknowledged this behavior in front of Blitzo and said that he knows it's fucked up? No he has not. Stolas is still unwilling to fully take responsibility for some of the flaws in their relationship. I think because he's trying to combat the idea that he isn't enough or that he's a monster.
Stolas’s voice breaking was so gut wrenching
I’ve seen comparisons between Blitz and Bojack Horseman.
Both traumatized by their past involving their families.
Leading to both to become jaded and being shitty to everyone around them. Minus that one person (Loona/Holly)
And ultimately they hate themselves
But the difference is I feel like blitz is more salvageable. Blitz hurt others but the worst stuff he’s done was on accident and due to miscommunication. So he mostly hurts himself. Not an excuse but you can understand it.
Bojack hurts others due to his own cowardice and narcissistic tendencies and then feels bad about it but NEVER change. Plus the stuff Bojack does feel more disgusting and realistic than what blitz does. Which is ironic given how blitz is a hired killer but that’s played for comedy. Bojack assaulting women, traumatizing others, destroying friendships etc etc feel more hard to watch.
Blitz can still turn things around like either fizz who forgave him. Maybe things can work out with Stolas, Verosika, Barbie etc. Blitz even says “I don’t want to remain this way. Not forever.” So he just has to take that step and work on his communication skills.
That’s my analysis
I had the same exact thought- wonderful analysis btw
eeeeeh we don't... entirely know if that is true with blitz. it should be noted that it seems like his relationship with stolas was post loona. something about loona might have.... helped him out mentally. something changed. relationships pre loona might be a lot more toxic.
i feel like while its implied there was mutual toxicity with verosika and blitz, if we presume that blitzo was doing the murder stuff before he got the book, having his 'business outfit' like we see now, he might have been exploiting Verosika for access to the human world.
Stolas is such a fascinating character because the writers truly endeared the audience (and themselves) so much to him and his internal struggles with the relationship, that it’s hard for anyone to not feel bad for him in this episode. But he does have to be held accountable for how much he screwed this up too. Like obviously Blitz deflects and then Stolas misreads, but you’re so right, Stolas offers him no choice the second he thinks his own fears have been confirmed. It’s understandably heartbreaking to have your own earnest confession turned into a joke, but Stolas does run away the moment Blitz wants to have a real conversation about how he feels. He’s romanticized everything, so he wanted a romanticized moment. Blitz can’t even process whether he loves Stolas or not until he’s worked through how this dynamic makes him feel, until he knows Stolas truly understands the pain he’s caused. But Stolas doesn’t actually want to hear it, because he knows it’s true, and he can’t sit right with himself in that relationship if he knows it’s true. And like you said, everything that Blitz calls out Stolas for is ultimately confirmed to be true in the way Stolas dismisses him.
I feel like the writers having Stolas say that Blitz makes everything about sex is the direct result of the reframing of his character they did at the start of this season. Kind of just…trying to wash the audiences brains of the idea that Stolas is using sex to control Blitz by having Blitz be the initiator in order to get the book. I’ve never loved that change, so it’s frustrating to hear Stolas say it, but it does make this a fascinating exploration of power dynamics. Blitz absolutely cannot be the more powerful party in this relationship because he is the one giving himself to Stolas out of desperation (something many survivors do), but Stolas still feels like he’s being used even if he knows he has more power because he’s the one who’s caught feelings (and privileged people irl absolutely feel like they’re being used, whether or not they understand that the playing field is unequal) Basically, it’s a Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby dynamic which makes this whole thing beyond messy lol. All and all, if the writers can manage to pull off tackling these very real nuances to extreme class differences in a transactional relationship, I’ll be very impressed. But this episode did leave me a little worried, as did the reaction I’ve seen from viewers. I think you’ve perfectly explained why we all should be discussing Stolas’ behavior in this scene more than we should be crying over them breaking up (but I did cry, so we can do both). I’m just glad the writers let Blitz say everything he needed to say because I was really worried they would let Stolas walk away without hearing it. I just hope it doesn’t get ignored moving forward.
Thank you SO much for beat by beat explaining this scene. I had the strongest gut feeling that stolas messed up big time in that scene, but a lot of commenters were only shaming blitzo, and I couldn't figure out why until now.
I'm sorry, but the clip of Agent 2 absolutely rocking Cletus into the table has been living in my head since this thing dropped. idk why I find it so damn funny, but it has been on loop and I am not stopping it 🤣
It’s probably the catharsis in effect
I love how the episode is framed by starting with revealing all of Blitz's enemies before showing one by one the people whose lives have benefitted from his presence all leading to the one person who is on the fence and about to be tested.
Im glad this video states my thoughts clearly. People love Stolas so much, they ignore the faults of his character and pin it all on Blitzø. Of course Blitzø isn't good at communication but the same goes for Stolas.
17:20 When I was watching there was something in the back of my mind I couldn't shake, and reading the comments really doubled down on how everyone was just taking it all out on Blitz. This perfectly explains that feeling, as I was also so excited it could be shining a light on Stolas' flaws too, but as you said this season has been setting up a LOT of sympathy for our owl. The nerves are so real. I'm just sincerely hoping that, they did so to give him more depth, whilst also trying to give some justification of why the deal isn't AS imbalanced as it could be (still a lot of power imbalance there, but the backstory gives it more complexity than a royal taking advantage. I really hope that was all it was, and isn't going to become a 'woe is Stolas' train later)
I love this because it felt very real… almost too real. Blitz is surrounded by friends, so many he has to schedule time for each one. He has many ex’s (friends and relationships in general) who blame him but won’t shut up about him. He’s obviously popular, obviously lovable to everyone but himself. Stolas is terrified and insecure. His ex wife was only with him because she had to be, and no matter what he did, Stella hated him. He is viewed as a sucker by EVERYONE. But he’s a good guy, and wants to help his friends every if they were mean. (Ozzie and Fizz in particular 🤦🏻♀️) So to watch Blitz and Stolas perfectly trigger each other at every turn was great. If it means a couple seasons of character development to patch this up or just the realization from both parties that they have issues to work on together, I think it will be worth it. ❤
Stolas and Blitz are both screwed up in their own ways and need to improve themselves on their own to be in a relationship. Both of them can't imagine the other actually caring for them. And that is heartbreaking, and I can't imagine, with where they're both at now, this conversation going any other way.
That last thing Stolas says, it's heartbreaking not just because he thinks that Blitz thinks that lowly of him, but because that's how lowly Stolas thinks of himself.
I hope we see them both work on themselves and then see them both fight for each other.
In my opinion Stolas screwed this one up HARD.
Even ignoring his reaction to Blitzø’s misunderstanding and then screaming (which is most likely trauma response)
We have to realise that Stolas was either unaware of Blitzø’s… personality, or ignorant of it.
He basically sprung up an insanely difficult emotional situation on Blitzø without warning, and made it much worse by basically starting it off with
“My book, give it back, forever”
Which very visibly distraught Blitzø.
After rewatching the episode, i now disagree that the Loona dialogue of "oh, shit, he's bored of you" was hamfisted to create inner turmoil in Blitz.
It's completely in character to have Loona, someone who copes with abandonment issues by abandoning the other before they abandon her, trying to warn her father figure - either by identifying Stolas as similar to her, OR by getting blitz to abandon stolas
“We all knew from the beginning this is how it ends”
-Blitz 2021
Brandon Rogers' performance in the ending is straight up bonechilling
The moment where Stolas raises up his hand to silence Blitz... OOF, it hurt. A reflexive show of authority over someone lesser than was done simply to make the pain of the situation more bearable (by not having to listen to Blitz's romance roleplay). However understandable it is that he felt he couldn't handle more, it was the way he stopped him that was INCREDIBLY disrespectful and demeaning. And then Stolas doubles down, talking over him all "I have my answer." It's no wonder Blitz was triggered.
what bothered me the most is that this season goes a long way to redeem stolas, stolas realizes he’s been taking advantage of blitz and that it isn’t right, he goes to lengths to stop doing it and give blitz his freedom, he even acknowledged to blitz himself that the deal he made wasn’t right, but he immediately dismisses blitz’s feelings when he expresses anger over how he’s been treated, “i didn’t realize you think so low of me” stolas you’ve literally been taking advantage of and infantalizing him the entire time you’ve known each other of course he’s gonna have some feelings about that, and instead of apologizing for how he’s treated blitz, he just kicks blitz out of his house, it feels like a huge step back for his character development, which is not necessarily a bad thing depending on how it’s handled in future episodes but i… don’t have huge faith it’ll be handled well tbh
The ending scene broke me lol
its just sad, he always thought he was being played with.. i feel bad for both of them..
also its sad we waited like 8 months for ALMOST 20 MINUTES?????!!?!?!?!?!?
To be fair they didn't only work on that episode.
As someone who has only interest in animation but never did animation myself:
It takes a long timeto animate a full series. And they most likely worked on several episodes at the same time.
And let's not forget that we got 20 minutes of 2d animation is still mind boggling as 2d animation is time consuming and extremely expensive.
I do understand why it feels underwhelming, but let's not forget that the episodes are not 10 minutes is nothing short of a miracle.
@@reksraven6909 actually 2D isn't too expensive! In a lot of ways it can be cheaper than 3D, but the fact it is a 2D INDIE animation makes it take extremely long, not to mention the fact Viv is juggling two shows simultaneously. People don't realise that even now they're already preparing season 2 of hazbin, with voicelines and such already starting, so it absolutely takes a long long time. And yes they have the next ep slated for this month, with the other in only 3 months after that. Lots happening frfr
@@aimeeh2079 Looked into it and you are right. Somewhat. 2d can be cheaper (and usually is) but can also more expensive. Depends on workflow, tools, style etc. So not as eas to say what animation was cheaper than others. The more you know.
@@reksraven6909 ikr! I also thought for the longest time that hand drawn costs more, but I guess it can b less since 3D entails the modelling aspects, texture styling and more. It's crazy frfr
Somehow watching a video of someone continually bashing stolas helped me figure out what i felt about this episode. Stolas had always been my favourite and i didnt understand why i now felt a bit biased against him. Now i realise, Blitzø isnt the only one with a fucked up coping mechanism. After being screamed at for years by Stella, it’s no surprise he shuts down at shouting and rejection. As soon as blitz takes it as a joke, he loses all hope. I feel so so bad for blitz because he didnt get a chance, he just didnt believe someone loved him, but now i realise what caused stolas to do that and stop listening. he just shut down, and he cant think properly or rationally anymore. also, although it may seem hypocritical when stolas says he doesnt want it to always be about sex and pulls away from blitz, i think hes not disgusted with blitz but more so what he feels he’s created and cant take back, he doesnt feel so much uncomfortable with him but what he feels he’s made out of him and he feels bad about that. both of them have used each other. i have so many things to say but i cant go on, so thank you, now i can truly say i feel so bad for both of them.