Before he became a mindless henchman, this Mr Freeze was really one of Gotham's most compelling villains. Wasn't a fan of what they did with him, they really could've just ended with him committing aliven't after his wife died if they were gonna run out of ideas on what to do with him the way they did.
Exactly, Mr. Freeze is who he is and does what he does because of his need to save Nora. Once Nora is removed from the equation, he should either take himself out because his reason for continuing to live his torturous life is now gone, turn himself in to repent for what he did, or just disappear and move on with his life, hoping to one day eventually heal himself of the loss of Nora. He definitely should not just become your typical criminal since his criminal behavior didn't stem from the sake of being a criminal in the first place 🤦🏾♂️
I'm not sure what you mean, *lots* of people talk about how great the make up and graphic are in *Gotham* ... Most *Gotham* haters complain about other stuff, like how annoying Jim Gordon's love life was, how death was too cheap in this show (they basically have Dragon Balls), how season 5 was too rushed... lots of people also gave up on season 1 because they hated Fish Mooney and Barbara Kean. (I didn't hate Fish myself, but I wish she had stayed dead after the season 1 finale... and I wish Barbara had stayed dead after her fall from the Church in season 2) But most people agree that this is still a quality show with great actors, especially if you're a big fan of the DC universe, especially the parts centered around Gotham City. This show is full of amazing performances; the Bat-rogues of course, with Penguin, Riddler, both "proto-Jokers", Mad Hatter, Victor Zsasz, Carmine Falcone & Sal Maroni, Hugo Strange, Butch/Grundy, Ra's al Gul and even secondary ones like Scarecrow or Nyssa al Ghul... Then the good guys; Bruce Wayne, Selina Kyle, Alfred, Harvey Bullock, Leslie Thompkins, Captain Barnes (before he turned heel and went full Executioner), even the little we saw of Harvey Dent and Sarah Essen. I believe that when it comes to live action shows, *Gotham* will always remain a classic for Batman fans, much like the 1960 Adam West show still is... or how "Smallville" is for Superman fans. Perhaps not considered a DC masterpiece like Doom Patrol, Watchmen, Swamp Thing, or Constantine... But it will remain a "if you love these characters, you should really give it a shot" like *The Flash* seasons 1&2, or *Arrow* seasons 1&2 (my favorite Arrow season is the 5th, but you have to be willing to sit thought season 3, which isn't that bad, but season 4 really sucked despite some really good villains like Anarky and Damien Darhk, and great allies like Constantine). Time will tell, I guess.
We totally agree. Just meant that not only does no one credit the show for its makeup & graphics, but also we think the lighting and set design is also fantastic and should also be credited. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@inthecityofgotham2573 - Hi! It's okay, I was just refering to the OP who said that no one talked about how good the make-up/graphics are, when it was one of the parts that got the most praises when the show was running ^^ Thanks a lot for uploading all these clips, you rule! And thanks for reading my post too, I can't help myself, everytime I end up posting a darn novel ^^' Keep up the good work!
Say what you will about Mr. Freeze, he was a cool guy. He knew how to break the ice and be chill in a variety of situations. Unfortunately he was often cold to peoples’ pleas of mercy.
Mr Freeze was so good in S2 and totally loved his suit it also made him look like a astronaut/robot but the only problem is that they killed off Nora Fries cause in the comics and cartoons she is still alive but frozen
@@KillerGothChick - Nope, she's alive. Her death was faked by Grifter (Cole Cash) and she's joined the WildCATS alongside Toyman (his death was also faked by Grifter in order to recruit him so he could rebuild Spartan)
Am I the only one who actually liked this incarnation of Mr Freeze? Sure he wasn’t phenomenal but… I mean he certainly was a massive upgrade compare to Arnold’s version. Wish we saw more of him and I wish they didn’t kill off Nora like that :/
@@KillerGothChick yeah ik but I never liked how she was just killed off in the comics either. I like what the Arkham games did where she was still frozen and Freeze was still working so hard to save her. Way more compelling that way for me
@Mark Guerrero facts. I also just hate how he vanished and was barely seen just like they did with Scarecrow! Both such great characters both so underutilized….
Mr. Freeze should've have a glass dome that's bulletproof in his suit permanently cause it's an important feature of the character's suit. I also didn't like Nora Fries being killed off because she lives in the future when Batman existed, but frozen in ice and that's Freeze's motivation in the comics, cartoons, and other media. The scene when Nora dies should've been cut in the show, she was frozen when Mr. Freeze uses his freeze gun to make her frozen in ice the whole time. Victor freezes himself and think Nora is dead by being frozen and will try anything to cure her, but she is alive, just frozen in ice in his lair off-screen in the show.
Nora should've lived, Mr Freeze in the series could've had a much more interesting dynamic with certain characters like Bruce Wayne or Jerome for example, imagine if Nora had lived, Valeska would've threatened to unplug Nora so Freeze has to make the laughing gas, so then Freeze has to work with Bruce and Jim or something like that.
Yee if they wanted, they could've done a bit of plot finnagling and have him become affected by his freezing-suicide attempt with distortion/loss of memory plus the emotionlessness from the show. Hugo Strange -- in typical "narrative-based manipulation" fashion -- gaslights/convinces him that his wife is still alive, but he'll need to play by Strange's rules if he wants to see her again. So we'd have an emotionless Fries driven to do Strange's bidding by a solely-commitment-based love (which he may at certain moments of lucidity even question if it's proper love anymore, since it's emotionless now), all of it premised on the lie that his wife might still be revived. At the eventual climax, he would be finally convinced of the truth that his wife really is gone and that she died in the hopes that it would prevent him from committing more of his crimes. Feeling his sorrow as his only real emotion, he turns on Strange and somehow aids the heroes before presumably properly aliven't-ing. Smth like that.
Indeed, I wish she was just frozen in a block of ice at the end of Victor's initial two-parter ("Mr Freeze" & "A Dead Man Feels no Cold"), and he could have gotten ice'd himself without trying to commit suicide... In the New52, they tried to make Victor be wife-less, and it sucked. They quickly went back to the status quo, which changed again a couple years back, when she was brought back to life and is now in team _WildCATS_ after Grifter (Cole Cash) faked her death. Poor Mr Freeze instead became an enforcer for Hugo Strange, Penguin, Fish Mooney, Jérôme... and used a plot device when something ice-related happened. In contrast, his Central City counterpart, _Captain Cold_ , was done much better in *The Flash* (Wentworth Miller's performance was really good, turned a loooooot of people in Cold fanboys, myself included ^^).
Victor was a decent person driven to do terrible things to save the person he loved. Nora's death and Victor's decision to end his life, albeit grim, are a possible ending. I may not agree with them choosing the darkest option, as there are stories where Victor is able to save his wife and becomes a hero, or loses her and chooses to end his life heroically, but I respect their choice. What I do *NOT* respect is them *ruining his arc by bringing him back to do crimes for next to no reason. That's not Freeze.*
mr freeze in gotham was very good untill hugo strange revived him , with nora dead he had no motives and just did the bidding for penguin or others nothing more than henchmen , i felt extremely dissapointed with that specially since he is in my top 5 fav batman villains list , a complete waste of a villain also his suit looked very bad and i hated the white hair and blue eyes , the actor wasnt bad but he doesn't look like the original mr freeze and his acting wasnt good enough to forgive that diffrence in looks , i wish they didnt bring him back because regardless of all of the stuff i said i still really liked him and nora and the way he died was heartbreaking , such a waste , i hope one day we get a good batman movie with a good mr freeze as the villain
Dear commenters bitching about Nora being killed off: Nora was dead when Freeze's Batman the Animated Series origin was ported to the comics (prior to the New 52, I mean). Not only that but Nora was meant to be 100 % dead in Heart of Ice and her still being alive was a retcon Paul Dini didn't like.
@@BDKnight Freeze being pure evil is boring. His complexity & intellect make him interesting. Just killing is almost every villain ever. I love how easily him & Batman work together when it makes sense for them in the animated 90's series.
Vaya todos los personajes del Gotham se hicieron villanos gracias a las personas que querían otras que los maltrataban pero el señor frío se hizo villano por amor a su esposa y le costó su vida porque lo hicieron villano y lo manipulan para que hiciera estás terribles cosas.Asi es la vida y es por eso que es mi villano/ héroe favorito 😊
While this version of Mr. Freeze is cool, I don't like how they did his origin. While there are versions of the comics in which he did want to become a criminal because he likes the idea, most versions now have him only doing it because he's trying save Nora and to get revenge on Boyle. Killing Nora just doesn't work for his origin. And after he tries to kill himself, I don't see how Hugo Strange's manipulations work. How is being a criminal supposed to make Victor happy now that he's lost his wife? This goes against why people love Mr. Freeze's character so much.
Mr. Freeze was so under used in this show. I wish they did more with him
Ikr, after Nora died he was just a filler character
@@jalenmitchell9218 exactly
Before he became a mindless henchman, this Mr Freeze was really one of Gotham's most compelling villains. Wasn't a fan of what they did with him, they really could've just ended with him committing aliven't after his wife died if they were gonna run out of ideas on what to do with him the way they did.
Exactly, Mr. Freeze is who he is and does what he does because of his need to save Nora. Once Nora is removed from the equation, he should either take himself out because his reason for continuing to live his torturous life is now gone, turn himself in to repent for what he did, or just disappear and move on with his life, hoping to one day eventually heal himself of the loss of Nora. He definitely should not just become your typical criminal since his criminal behavior didn't stem from the sake of being a criminal in the first place 🤦🏾♂️
That's one of the reasons why Victor Fries became Mr. Freeze he only wanted to save his wife
Why doesn't anyone talk about how good the make up and graphics are in this shows
Or how good the sets and lighting are... its almost flawless entirely throughout!
I'm not sure what you mean, *lots* of people talk about how great the make up and graphic are in *Gotham* ...
Most *Gotham* haters complain about other stuff, like how annoying Jim Gordon's love life was, how death was too cheap in this show (they basically have Dragon Balls), how season 5 was too rushed... lots of people also gave up on season 1 because they hated Fish Mooney and Barbara Kean.
(I didn't hate Fish myself, but I wish she had stayed dead after the season 1 finale... and I wish Barbara had stayed dead after her fall from the Church in season 2)
But most people agree that this is still a quality show with great actors, especially if you're a big fan of the DC universe, especially the parts centered around Gotham City.
This show is full of amazing performances; the Bat-rogues of course, with Penguin, Riddler, both "proto-Jokers", Mad Hatter, Victor Zsasz, Carmine Falcone & Sal Maroni, Hugo Strange, Butch/Grundy, Ra's al Gul and even secondary ones like Scarecrow or Nyssa al Ghul...
Then the good guys; Bruce Wayne, Selina Kyle, Alfred, Harvey Bullock, Leslie Thompkins, Captain Barnes (before he turned heel and went full Executioner), even the little we saw of Harvey Dent and Sarah Essen.
I believe that when it comes to live action shows, *Gotham* will always remain a classic for Batman fans, much like the 1960 Adam West show still is... or how "Smallville" is for Superman fans.
Perhaps not considered a DC masterpiece like Doom Patrol, Watchmen, Swamp Thing, or Constantine...
But it will remain a "if you love these characters, you should really give it a shot" like *The Flash* seasons 1&2, or *Arrow* seasons 1&2 (my favorite Arrow season is the 5th, but you have to be willing to sit thought season 3, which isn't that bad, but season 4 really sucked despite some really good villains like Anarky and Damien Darhk, and great allies like Constantine).
Time will tell, I guess.
We totally agree. Just meant that not only does no one credit the show for its makeup & graphics, but also we think the lighting and set design is also fantastic and should also be credited. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@inthecityofgotham2573 - Hi! It's okay, I was just refering to the OP who said that no one talked about how good the make-up/graphics are, when it was one of the parts that got the most praises when the show was running ^^
Thanks a lot for uploading all these clips, you rule!
And thanks for reading my post too, I can't help myself, everytime I end up posting a darn novel ^^'
Keep up the good work!
@@randallflagg3700 Thank you!!! :)
Say what you will about Mr. Freeze, he was a cool guy. He knew how to break the ice and be chill in a variety of situations. Unfortunately he was often cold to peoples’ pleas of mercy.
I absolutely love this
Mr Freeze was so good in S2 and totally loved his suit it also made him look like a astronaut/robot but the only problem is that they killed off Nora Fries cause in the comics and cartoons she is still alive but frozen
Yeah idk why they killed nora
the astronaut suit was a nice little reminder of his original tv look in the adam west batman show
Shed dead actually
Yeah true she should’ve loved it would’ve made more sense and It would’ve been better to see him fight with the gcpd to get her back
@@KillerGothChick - Nope, she's alive. Her death was faked by Grifter (Cole Cash) and she's joined the WildCATS alongside Toyman
(his death was also faked by Grifter in order to recruit him so he could rebuild Spartan)
I love mr freeze
Am I the only one who actually liked this incarnation of Mr Freeze? Sure he wasn’t phenomenal but… I mean he certainly was a massive upgrade compare to Arnold’s version. Wish we saw more of him and I wish they didn’t kill off Nora like that :/
I 100% agree I loved Gotham's version of him. He should have been a more prominent villain in the show.
Nora is supposed to die like in the comics...wtf
the worst part is uma's poison ivy and the bane in that movie were worse than than arnie
@@KillerGothChick yeah ik but I never liked how she was just killed off in the comics either. I like what the Arkham games did where she was still frozen and Freeze was still working so hard to save her. Way more compelling that way for me
@Mark Guerrero facts. I also just hate how he vanished and was barely seen just like they did with Scarecrow! Both such great characters both so underutilized….
When he tried killing himself to be with Nora was amazing
I wasn’t interested For Gotham, not a lot.
But seeing Mr. Freeze episodes, made me fan of the series.
He was so awesome.
Wow a minute of this guy has more dignity than a full 2 hours of Arnold
im a chillin villai
And this is proof that Freeze can work in Batman 2 for Robert Patterson. Just use the flood from the end to help Freeze make his ice weapons.
It’s too fantastical. They won’t do it.
@@finfog4590clayface is going to be in the Batman part 2 anything is possible
they're probably going to use the golden age version of clayface @@theghostofsparta4528
Just have him make a liquid nitrogen gun
this just show that true love can push through its boundaries, even if it means freezing till death
Mr. Freeze is one of my favorite Batman villains I was a like Freeze When I saw him this show
I've was really surprised the first day I saw Mr. Freeze in this show
Harvey:Its pronnounced Mr fries (frice) Me:Mr McDonalds fries
With low budget they gave one of the best live action Mr freeze just imagine what if they had a good budget
Shoudl've died in S2, after his ressurection, he basically became a glorified henchman
Mr. Freeze should've have a glass dome that's bulletproof in his suit permanently cause it's an important feature of the character's suit. I also didn't like Nora Fries being killed off because she lives in the future when Batman existed, but frozen in ice and that's Freeze's motivation in the comics, cartoons, and other media. The scene when Nora dies should've been cut in the show, she was frozen when Mr. Freeze uses his freeze gun to make her frozen in ice the whole time. Victor freezes himself and think Nora is dead by being frozen and will try anything to cure her, but she is alive, just frozen in ice in his lair off-screen in the show.
I hated that they killed of Nora because freeze had no motive for his crimes
Dude, i know. I hate that, too. The way that they killed off Nora like that.
HE WAS WEARING THE WONKA GOGGLES!!! :D
They did mr freeze justice
Nora should've lived, Mr Freeze in the series could've had a much more interesting dynamic with certain characters like Bruce Wayne or Jerome for example, imagine if Nora had lived, Valeska would've threatened to unplug Nora so Freeze has to make the laughing gas, so then Freeze has to work with Bruce and Jim or something like that.
Yee if they wanted, they could've done a bit of plot finnagling and have him become affected by his freezing-suicide attempt with distortion/loss of memory plus the emotionlessness from the show. Hugo Strange -- in typical "narrative-based manipulation" fashion -- gaslights/convinces him that his wife is still alive, but he'll need to play by Strange's rules if he wants to see her again. So we'd have an emotionless Fries driven to do Strange's bidding by a solely-commitment-based love (which he may at certain moments of lucidity even question if it's proper love anymore, since it's emotionless now), all of it premised on the lie that his wife might still be revived. At the eventual climax, he would be finally convinced of the truth that his wife really is gone and that she died in the hopes that it would prevent him from committing more of his crimes. Feeling his sorrow as his only real emotion, he turns on Strange and somehow aids the heroes before presumably properly aliven't-ing. Smth like that.
I like this idea, but how would Freeze make laughing gas? Pretty sure his thing is ice.
@@craigtucker6001 He's a scientist after all probably the Scarecrow would've helped him.
Indeed, I wish she was just frozen in a block of ice at the end of Victor's initial two-parter ("Mr Freeze" & "A Dead Man Feels no Cold"), and he could have gotten ice'd himself without trying to commit suicide...
In the New52, they tried to make Victor be wife-less, and it sucked.
They quickly went back to the status quo, which changed again a couple years back, when she was brought back to life and is now in team _WildCATS_ after Grifter (Cole Cash) faked her death.
Poor Mr Freeze instead became an enforcer for Hugo Strange, Penguin, Fish Mooney, Jérôme... and used a plot device when something ice-related happened.
In contrast, his Central City counterpart, _Captain Cold_ , was done much better in *The Flash* (Wentworth Miller's performance was really good, turned a loooooot of people in Cold fanboys, myself included ^^).
It was...ice... to see Mr. Freeze used
Ok, I'll stop with the... freezy... puns
I have only two problems for when he's in the cryo suit, he skin should have turned blue, and a glass helmet as well
Mr freeze,scarecrow,riddler,penguin,joker,and even hatter had the best costumes
They had quite the balls to kill Nora.
Mr. Freeze is SO COOL! 😬. CB
Victor was a decent person driven to do terrible things to save the person he loved. Nora's death and Victor's decision to end his life, albeit grim, are a possible ending. I may not agree with them choosing the darkest option, as there are stories where Victor is able to save his wife and becomes a hero, or loses her and chooses to end his life heroically, but I respect their choice.
What I do *NOT* respect is them *ruining his arc by bringing him back to do crimes for next to no reason. That's not Freeze.*
The fact they killed Nora makes this freeze much less interesting
No motives to do bad things
He just does bad things because he's hurt and wants to hurt everyone else...
mr freeze in gotham was very good untill hugo strange revived him , with nora dead he had no motives and just did the bidding for penguin or others nothing more than henchmen , i felt extremely dissapointed with that specially since he is in my top 5 fav batman villains list , a complete waste of a villain also his suit looked very bad and i hated the white hair and blue eyes , the actor wasnt bad but he doesn't look like the original mr freeze and his acting wasnt good enough to forgive that diffrence in looks , i wish they didnt bring him back because regardless of all of the stuff i said i still really liked him and nora and the way he died was heartbreaking , such a waste , i hope one day we get a good batman movie with a good mr freeze as the villain
Dear commenters bitching about Nora being killed off: Nora was dead when Freeze's Batman the Animated Series origin was ported to the comics (prior to the New 52, I mean). Not only that but Nora was meant to be 100 % dead in Heart of Ice and her still being alive was a retcon Paul Dini didn't like.
Thats a good point but that turned out for the best cuz if not freeze would've been just a one hit wonder if not for that retcon in deep freeze
@@BDKnight Freeze being pure evil is boring. His complexity & intellect make him interesting. Just killing is almost every villain ever. I love how easily him & Batman work together when it makes sense for them in the animated 90's series.
His final suit was pretty badass
They shouldnt kill nora beacuse freeze motive is to find her a cure and he doesn't care who he kills to get it
Senhor frio “WHERES MUH WEIF”
He should've been around more
We think they underplayed how powerful Mr Freeze's actually is for sure. Def could have used him more.
Vaya todos los personajes del Gotham se hicieron villanos gracias a las personas que querían otras que los maltrataban pero el señor frío se hizo villano por amor a su esposa y le costó su vida porque lo hicieron villano y lo manipulan para que hiciera estás terribles cosas.Asi es la vida y es por eso que es mi villano/ héroe favorito 😊
Misty freeze baybeee
While this version of Mr. Freeze is cool, I don't like how they did his origin. While there are versions of the comics in which he did want to become a criminal because he likes the idea, most versions now have him only doing it because he's trying save Nora and to get revenge on Boyle. Killing Nora just doesn't work for his origin. And after he tries to kill himself, I don't see how Hugo Strange's manipulations work. How is being a criminal supposed to make Victor happy now that he's lost his wife? This goes against why people love Mr. Freeze's character so much.
Why she swtich the cartilage? Why he killed himself
God, I imagine what if Mr. Freeze teamed up with Captain Cold 🥶🥶
Fries had a better costume as a normal doctor than as a mutant. No offense. The hair was a mistake.
En las primeras escenas era mas realista, como un personaje de Cristopher Nolan. En las últimas escenas ya es mas cómic.
Pues en sí lo hicieron a base del cómic además tenía que mejorar el personaje que para mí es e l mejor de la serie
What?
Mr Freeze needs to come on the cinema but not with Pattinson, I dont like pattinsons batman.
Why don't you like Robert's Batman
What a stupid movie
It's a show, genius