@@poem5677a lot of it was really good though. But completely rebooting wasn’t necessary. Good thing most of the post-crisis continuity is in canon now.
There’s a big reason why I don’t like stories that emphasize Victor’s obsession with Nora. And that is that it takes away the humanity that made his story “Heart of Ice” so memorable. Making their relationship a toxic one driven by a man who feared losing control is not as heartbreaking as a healthy one threatened by illness.
It also feeds into the Spider-man feeling. Freeze has genuinely a good person who just wants to be happy, but no matter what he does or how he does it, life will find a way to take everything away from him. Him being a good person makes it more relatable and tragic, he never did anything wrong to deserve the hand he was dealt, but that's just life.
I feel like an unhealthy obsession and a controlling nature is fundamentally necessary to make Victor Fries into Mr Freeze. Granted, I don't think his relationship with Nora should be toxic, but a relationship that's got a lot of foundation to be perfectly healthy if he had the opportunity to grow as a person rather than be backed into the corner that would turn him into Mr Freeze. Just someone who'd be in a much better place in his relationship if he could learn to loosen his grip and better let Nora be her own person outside of him.
@@Bush-Warrior actually I feel the opposite. The tragedy is further heightened because he lost the woman he loves and was mutated forever. It shows that anyone, even people in functional relationships, can be pushed into the same position he is. As the Joker puts it: It just takes one bad day.
I like they pulled a fast one on that plot in Harley Quinn show. She decides to unfreeze Nora thinking he is abusive only to learn they actually loved each other and she consented to being frozen
This Is Why I Love Mr Freeze In Batman's Rogues Gallery, He's Not Some Guy Who Wants To Take Over The World, He Just Wanted To Find A Cure For His Wife Nora.❄️
Mr. Freeze is one of those characters that I think less is more and where the status quo of being a recurring Batman villain kind of screws him over. Use him to many times and the reason he is doing crime “for Nora” it starts to seem like an excuse. Use him sparingly and like in the Arkham Knight DLC show us that he can change and he’s one of Batman’s best villains.
@@benjaminmooday9537 - Indeed... a good example of that is the show *Gotham* , in which the first mini-arc that covers Mr Freeze's origin story in season 2 was fantastic, with Nathan Darrow & Kristen Hager doing great as Victor & Nora Fries... But then Nora dies, Victor tries to get himself banned from the big game, but Hugo Strange brings him back to life & gives him a freezing power suit so he can be used as an elite mook by the various Big Bads... I'm glad that he was kept around since he was a kickass Mr Freeze, but sadly it did show that this character can be a bit limited if Nora is taken out of the equation... ... in DC's main universe, I remember that Nora Fries was recruited by Grifter to join the WildC.A.T.s and HALO alongside various other DC villains. But I haven't seen her around much, I should read more recent DC stuff that isn't just about the Batfamily
I really like how Mr Freeze and Batman parallel each other as men frozen at a moment in time, the loss of Nora and the death of the Waynes, but Freeze is literally frozen in the moment, unable to move beyond it, always desperately search for a way to free Nora, while Bats is slowly but surely moving forward beyond that moment in the alleyway (of course never entirely, but still).
Mr Freeze has always been one of my favourite Batman villains, simply because he is not a villain but a victim. While yes, you can say many of Batman's villains are victims of abuse, injustice, and greed, I feel Freeze doesn't want to hurt people, but nevertheless, he is forced to hurt those who get in his way all because of the unfortunate circumstances and cards he's been dealt with. I think Freeze is far more likely to reform than other villains, and I always appreciate how Batman always tries to help him, offering him a chance to save his wife and receiving Victor's help as a debt of gratitude. My favourite ending for Mr Freeze is in the Arkham Knight DLC Seasons of Infamy, where Nora is taken out of her chamber and gets to see what Victor has become and how much he's destroyed himself all for her. Hence, she begs Victor to stop what he's doing and live their final days together with each other, which, in my opinion, was such a beautiful and satisfying ending to Victor's arc in the Arkham games and my favourite ending to the character.
I also like how they handle him in City. After to fight him and beat him, he asks you to find his wife (Joker taking her is why Freeze even fought Batman to begin with). When you actually find her, he is genuinely thankful and neither him or Bruce fight again in the Arkham games (he is actually kinda chill when you see him in Knight).
Okay as soon as you said that Batman sympathizes with the villains because they all had a bad day just like him when his parents were murdered right in front of him as a kid. They had just different ways ,the villains of internalizing those problems. I never thought of it that way in my entire life. That made me speechless and blew my mind.
That's why Batman has one of the most solid rouge's galleries in comics despite most of his villains being street level. All of his enemies are just reflections of himself in some way
And on the other side of the coin, you have the Robins who also have similar fates but unlike the villains Batman couldn’t get to in time (including Bruce), the kids have Batman to guide them.
@@revenantronin8377 in Nightwing #84 batman even admits Nightwing is a better hero than him, he says he does a better job. With that guidance, instead of being self taught nightwing is a greater hero than batman, according to batman.
Ngl, I wish Freeze's history in the DCAU would have ended in the magnificent movie "Sub-Zero". He coming back to crime in TNBA just because Nora remade her life was completely stupid and out-of-character, as he would have gladly let her have a happy life with another man. That said, Batman Beyond at least gave us an emotional farewell
100% agree. It irked me so much they had this beautiful sendoff where Nora lives and he can finally just retire happy knowing he succeeded. It gave the idea of hope and accomplishment some people can truly change. But then DC got greedy and ruined it so they could just stick him in more episodes
Honestly i always hope mr freeze would save his wife i always root for mr freeze when he decided to let Nora live in batman arkham knight it made me tear up a bit
What's somewhat baffling Is that In the DC universe, there's a great deal of characters who could easily cure both Nora and Victor. Like Zatana. She can say something like "WON SEIRF ARON/ROTCIV ERUC!". Or Booster Gold bringing medicine from his future. This pretty much makes so Mr. Freeze's tragedy mostly only works In Batman-only media.
Many of batman's villains have been humanized like croc, two-face (the dark knight returns) and even catwoman becomes his wife though they morally disagree. This is why most love batman and his villains more than an unrelatable alien warmongers
Ngl, it's pretty cool the origin that stablishes thwt Freeze had since his childhood a sick obession with ice that could only be controlled by his love for Nora. However, destiny would hit him in the most poeticaloy cruel way possible, being now forced to use the thing it tries to destroy him in order to save her
Girl 1#: "He didn't cry with Titanic. Can you believe it?" Girl 2#: "Do men even have feelings?!" Freeze: "I can only beg your forgiveness, and pray you hear me somehow, someplace... someplace where a warm hand waits for mine." Men: 😢
@@tariqshort4025 this funny, mainly because you are just wrong. Feminist are usually in favor of men showing emotions, because the whole "men should always be manly" is just so damaging, especially for boys growing up. This is feminism 101, patriarchy is bad for everyone, because it perpetuates harmfull expectations.
Remember: Mr. Freeze started out as a loser villain; even his name was different as he initially was called "Mr. Zero" with a lack of development. It was until the excellent portrayal of the character in Batman TAS where Freeze was fleshed out and made into a better villain. So you can thanks Bruce Timm and Paul Dini for improving a character that would be an obscure Batman villain right now whom no one would give a dime if it wasn't by their ingenuity.
@@jordanloux3883Yes. Thanks for giving that detail, dude. And you are actually right; the Batman show of the 60s actually gave some glimpses of the future Mr. Freeze, especifically his tragic backstory and his inability to have a normal life due to his accident.
Mr. Freeze is a very sad sympathetic character. He does everything in his power to find a cure for his wife disease. He has a heart made of ICE than blood. Batman always finds a way to be there for his villains despite all the bad things they done he feels a connection to his villains cos he knows what it’s like to be in pain and dead inside. ❤🖤
I don't know how they got him so wrong in n52 honestly. He went from a man who nearly lost his wife and his will to live to a creepy ass stalker. OG Freeze will always be the best one.
He is a heart wrenching character. And I admit, the New 52 rendition didn't do him justice. But on a lighter note it would be funny if Freeze were a major Arnold Schwarzenegger fan. He walks into his quarters. His goons think he's off to plot another scheme, but he turns to them and say: "No! There's an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie marathon and I never miss the chance to see Arnie in action!"
13:38 I vaguely remember the spin off comic but what I remember is the Batman Beyond episode that was the sequel to that titled “Meltdown” which was just as depressing.
I can sympathize with freeze since i lost my wife to a horrible disease wishing that one day to find a cured it just to hold her in our arms once again he might be a fictional character still can relate in some ways or another
The same reason Bruce Wayne can never get over the death of his parents. Because writers fear that if you take away the trauma, you have nothing left, so they're stuck being static.
Actually the whole 'is Nora alive or dead' thing goes as far back at Heart of Ice itself. Dini and Timm intended Nora to be dead the entire time but the suits preferred her be alive. THat's why in the BTAS comics they keep saying she died between episodes.
Honestly I like to think that if Bruce’s company never said no to Mr. freeze project it’s highly possible that he would never become the villain we all know him as and instead would be a well respected employee that changed the medical industry with his cryo-technology under the Wayne industries.🐱
I like these kinds of stories. Yknow the kind where you aren’t screaming at Batman to just kill them already and be done with it. A story that makes Batman’s moral code much more believable.
The Animated Series had the best version of Mr. Freeze hands down. Not a overbearing control freak, just a husband doing everything he can for the one person he loves
With all the minds of the justice league they could cure his wife with barely a thought. Hell, Batman could do it in a knight(heh). Fries would probably serve all of his time if she got fixed
I've kind of wanted a Suicide Squad story setup with him as the only big name in it, 'trusted' by Waller because she has his heart in her hands and is offering him the only thing he wants. Make sure no one else on the squad knows his history and you could get some really great drama around how heartless he seems.
I know this is more of a Freeze video, but you hit the nail on the head with Batman. Actually having him feel for his villains and believe they can overcome their tragedies like he himself tries to do by being the Dark Knight, he's a much *cooler* character. I will see myself out, great vid as usual Mullet Man.
i never understand how people resonate or connect with a specific character until i heard of Mr. Freeze. The way he dreads to see death of someone or something beautiful or precious, the same type of fear i felt, the end of something always kept me away from enjoying stories fearing the end, the death or the discontinuation of it. In a way it selfish not wanting the end of something even if it not your own.
I love your content my guy. Your delivery is wonderful too, you keep the warm nostalgia of genuine comic storytelling alive in your niche here on youtube. This one moved me, and I'll admit I shed a few tears. Thank you for sharing these stories
The two stories that do freeze the dirtiest is the comic where he saves Nora and she injects him with a formula that nearly kills him leaving him behind. The second is the Harley Quinn show where sacrificed himself to save Nora (in a stupid move where Freeze and Batman couldn’t save her after years but Ivy somehow did) and she then becomes a whore and party girl. It’s both insulting to his lifetime of sacrifice and even to the fans.
Of course the BTAS version does it the best -- they invented this version of the character. Every story to come after that has tried to change details or just did the same story worse.
Waylon is sadder imo. Victor is just controlling and unable to accept reality. Clayface did get him tho and that was messed up but otherwise not a sad story imo.
Mr. Freeze embodies the saying "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" and is on of the highest examples of a good tragic villian especially in the 90s animated series
I love the batman the animated series. The way batman is portrayed and his villains. This version of Freeze is my absolute favorite, and I loved seeing him again in batman beyond. His ending hit hard though.
The thing about Freeze is that all bruce/batman needed to do was fund his research to cure his wife and he'd not only be a friend but his skills would make people see him. not a monster but a guy who only wanted to save the one he loved.
I was crying practically the whole video. With that being said, I am going to leave a like now and i will be tewatching it like ten times in the next few days.. and I will most likely cry every time lol
Mr Freeze is never the real monster, it is instead the people who inflict Frieze with the scars he has, never letting him live the life he wants, while simultaneously, crushing the chance for him to get what he will lose, from Ferris, to his father, the monsters that haunt Freeze, are the scars he has from them
The most magical aspect of Marvel/DC is their ability to create such deep and compelling stories with characters that could have originated from a child's after school drawings of a bat shaped guy fighting an evil freezer.
Mr Freeze is easily one of my favorite villains in Batman's rogues gallery because I feel like he's one of the few among them who actually has a shot at setting his record straight. Unlike just about every single one of the Bat's rogues, Freeze is less insane than he is just incredibly desperate. It's probably why I find him to be the most sympathetic and relatable of Batman's rogues. His situation and his motivations are just so real, to the point where I'm sure that most of us would turn out somewhat like Freeze if we were in his shoes.
That's some Romeo and Juliet levels of tragic. To be given hope after years in a cell, only to find out that the Nora that visited him was just Clayman using him. All the while Nora actually did receive the letter and was on the way to see him but it was too late.
I think cold cold heart is amazing as well with Freeze in anger trying to help nora especially the line's where he's begging for help on the ground from boyle to help nora. its so striking
The Batman: TAS comics are actually pretty fucked up sometimes, like, unjustly so. They needlessly ruin Fries’s life and did the same sort of thing to Harvey; making him think Bruce took his wife from him thanks to an act by Joker and Harley without ever learning the truth, or before Harvey could cross a point in his rage that his wife would never wanna see his face again.
I really love the depictions where Victor and Nora had a healthy relationship, but because Nora was the only person who showed Victor kindness, he was terrified of the possibility of her dying, leaving him alone. Again. As he had been his whole life, until she came in.
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I actually like the twist with Victor in the new 52 because it is a cool change of pace. The original story has been done thousands of times. It's one of the reasons why I did like Victor in the Batman cartoon
HOLY CRAP! BtAS Clayface is normally sympathetic, but the issue shown here and the Growing Pains episodes are shockingly effective at making you hate him! Long continuities can be hard to keep up with, but it's only through them that you can get such riveting scenes of two sympathetic monsters hate each other and feel just as outraged as both of them! Also, props to Ferris Boyle and Roland Daggett. Lex Luthor may be more dangerous, but at least he entertains the idea of saving the world rather than only ever seeing it as something to exploit.
@Sorain1 Growing Pains was ROUGH! I keep forgetting that BtAS Hagen was a piece of crap even before he became Clayface, but Growing Pains makes sure you never forget that he's awful.
It is good that Nora still cared for him but in the end, it was too late, maybe it wasn't meant to be or last, but they are separated now...different paths
There was a Batgirl comic where Mr Freeze teamed up with the League of Assassins to get a lazarus pit to try and revive Nora. It...didn't go well, she went insane and became Lazara, an undying monstrosity who could raise the dead
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Civilians saw Freeze as a monster.
Scientists saw Freeze as an experiment
Batman saw Freeze as a human
Didn’t know Batman was such a chill dude
He's really cool once you get to know him
He’s just such an ice guy
The flash could have helped him.
He’s pretty cool just very cold inside
That new 52 version sucks, making Nora just some patient Freeze is obsessed with is so stupid
the new 52 is stupid
@@poem5677a lot of it was really good though. But completely rebooting wasn’t necessary. Good thing most of the post-crisis continuity is in canon now.
Important rule: We don't talk about News 52 Freeze.
……… so he belongs in Arkham
I thought it was gonna be good cuz all the comics that came out...I got kinda disappointed
For some reason, Mr. Freeze is more often than not depicted as a heartless killer in the comics instead of a tragic figure.
The thing is that comic freeze is often trying to be like animated a bit at first but then the writers just give up lol
The backstory of him trying to save his wife didn't exist until it was used in the Animated show. Before then his motive wasn't Nora
And killer croc
There’s a big reason why I don’t like stories that emphasize Victor’s obsession with Nora. And that is that it takes away the humanity that made his story “Heart of Ice” so memorable.
Making their relationship a toxic one driven by a man who feared losing control is not as heartbreaking as a healthy one threatened by illness.
It also feeds into the Spider-man feeling. Freeze has genuinely a good person who just wants to be happy, but no matter what he does or how he does it, life will find a way to take everything away from him. Him being a good person makes it more relatable and tragic, he never did anything wrong to deserve the hand he was dealt, but that's just life.
I feel like an unhealthy obsession and a controlling nature is fundamentally necessary to make Victor Fries into Mr Freeze. Granted, I don't think his relationship with Nora should be toxic, but a relationship that's got a lot of foundation to be perfectly healthy if he had the opportunity to grow as a person rather than be backed into the corner that would turn him into Mr Freeze. Just someone who'd be in a much better place in his relationship if he could learn to loosen his grip and better let Nora be her own person outside of him.
@@Bush-Warrior actually I feel the opposite. The tragedy is further heightened because he lost the woman he loves and was mutated forever. It shows that anyone, even people in functional relationships, can be pushed into the same position he is. As the Joker puts it: It just takes one bad day.
I like they pulled a fast one on that plot in Harley Quinn show. She decides to unfreeze Nora thinking he is abusive only to learn they actually loved each other and she consented to being frozen
This Is Why I Love Mr Freeze In Batman's Rogues Gallery, He's Not Some Guy Who Wants To Take Over The World, He Just Wanted To Find A Cure For His Wife Nora.❄️
Truly a heart breaking character 💔
Mr. Freeze is one of those characters that I think less is more and where the status quo of being a recurring Batman villain kind of screws him over. Use him to many times and the reason he is doing crime “for Nora” it starts to seem like an excuse. Use him sparingly and like in the Arkham Knight DLC show us that he can change and he’s one of Batman’s best villains.
@@benjaminmooday9537 - Indeed... a good example of that is the show *Gotham* , in which the first mini-arc that covers Mr Freeze's origin story in season 2 was fantastic, with Nathan Darrow & Kristen Hager doing great as Victor & Nora Fries...
But then Nora dies, Victor tries to get himself banned from the big game, but Hugo Strange brings him back to life & gives him a freezing power suit so he can be used as an elite mook by the various Big Bads...
I'm glad that he was kept around since he was a kickass Mr Freeze, but sadly it did show that this character can be a bit limited if Nora is taken out of the equation...
... in DC's main universe, I remember that Nora Fries was recruited by Grifter to join the WildC.A.T.s and HALO alongside various other DC villains.
But I haven't seen her around much, I should read more recent DC stuff that isn't just about the Batfamily
I really like how Mr Freeze and Batman parallel each other as men frozen at a moment in time, the loss of Nora and the death of the Waynes, but Freeze is literally frozen in the moment, unable to move beyond it, always desperately search for a way to free Nora, while Bats is slowly but surely moving forward beyond that moment in the alleyway (of course never entirely, but still).
Mr Freeze has always been one of my favourite Batman villains, simply because he is not a villain but a victim. While yes, you can say many of Batman's villains are victims of abuse, injustice, and greed, I feel Freeze doesn't want to hurt people, but nevertheless, he is forced to hurt those who get in his way all because of the unfortunate circumstances and cards he's been dealt with. I think Freeze is far more likely to reform than other villains, and I always appreciate how Batman always tries to help him, offering him a chance to save his wife and receiving Victor's help as a debt of gratitude. My favourite ending for Mr Freeze is in the Arkham Knight DLC Seasons of Infamy, where Nora is taken out of her chamber and gets to see what Victor has become and how much he's destroyed himself all for her. Hence, she begs Victor to stop what he's doing and live their final days together with each other, which, in my opinion, was such a beautiful and satisfying ending to Victor's arc in the Arkham games and my favourite ending to the character.
I also like how they handle him in City. After to fight him and beat him, he asks you to find his wife (Joker taking her is why Freeze even fought Batman to begin with). When you actually find her, he is genuinely thankful and neither him or Bruce fight again in the Arkham games (he is actually kinda chill when you see him in Knight).
His depiction of a broken man that has nothing to fight for anymore is especially highlighted in Batman Beyond during his short appearance on the show
“Believe me… You’re the only one who cares.”
Okay as soon as you said that Batman sympathizes with the villains because they all had a bad day just like him when his parents were murdered right in front of him as a kid. They had just different ways ,the villains of internalizing those problems. I never thought of it that way in my entire life. That made me speechless and blew my mind.
That's why Batman has one of the most solid rouge's galleries in comics despite most of his villains being street level.
All of his enemies are just reflections of himself in some way
@@screenname6829this is mad fax
And on the other side of the coin, you have the Robins who also have similar fates but unlike the villains Batman couldn’t get to in time (including Bruce), the kids have Batman to guide them.
@@revenantronin8377 in Nightwing #84 batman even admits Nightwing is a better hero than him, he says he does a better job. With that guidance, instead of being self taught nightwing is a greater hero than batman, according to batman.
Bro the arkham games interpretation of freeze was so fucking good. God damn you rocksteady for turning into a souless husk of your former selves!
Ngl, I wish Freeze's history in the DCAU would have ended in the magnificent movie "Sub-Zero". He coming back to crime in TNBA just because Nora remade her life was completely stupid and out-of-character, as he would have gladly let her have a happy life with another man. That said, Batman Beyond at least gave us an emotional farewell
They brought him back in the recent "The Adventures Continues" comic and what they did with Nora and Freeze was awful. Really not worth it
Why did you like the movie?, i thought it was boring
100% agree. It irked me so much they had this beautiful sendoff where Nora lives and he can finally just retire happy knowing he succeeded. It gave the idea of hope and accomplishment some people can truly change.
But then DC got greedy and ruined it so they could just stick him in more episodes
Yeah I hate how they did that. They at least did him justice in the Arkham series.
@@Lawrence_TalbotI wouldn't be surprised if she's apart of the suicide squad locked up somewhere
Heart of ice is one of my favourite batman tas episodes ever as that shows Mr. Freeze as such a good batman character
I love it when writers get his character right he's a Shakespeare level tragic villain.
Isn’t there an old expression like “A hero would sacrifice the one to save millions. A villain would sacrifice millions to save the one.”
Honestly i always hope mr freeze would save his wife i always root for mr freeze when he decided to let Nora live in batman arkham knight it made me tear up a bit
Read Batman White Knight, they get their happy ending in the end, and he's kinda more of a hero in that story
What's somewhat baffling Is that In the DC universe, there's a great deal of characters who could easily cure both Nora and Victor.
Like Zatana. She can say something like "WON SEIRF ARON/ROTCIV ERUC!". Or Booster Gold bringing medicine from his future.
This pretty much makes so Mr. Freeze's tragedy mostly only works In Batman-only media.
When you put it like that, Barbara Gordon getting paralysed is equally stupid, if not worse.
When you put it like that why not just magically cure all villains from their ailments/ rewrite their brains to be model citizens?
@@socialyawkwardandrew7673 I mean, yeah, why not right? Comics have this problem
Many of batman's villains have been humanized like croc, two-face (the dark knight returns) and even catwoman becomes his wife though they morally disagree. This is why most love batman and his villains more than an unrelatable alien warmongers
Ngl, it's pretty cool the origin that stablishes thwt Freeze had since his childhood a sick obession with ice that could only be controlled by his love for Nora. However, destiny would hit him in the most poeticaloy cruel way possible, being now forced to use the thing it tries to destroy him in order to save her
"I can only beg your forgiveness, and pray you hear me somehow, someplace... someplace where a warm hand waits for mine."
Girl 1#: "He didn't cry with Titanic. Can you believe it?"
Girl 2#: "Do men even have feelings?!"
Freeze: "I can only beg your forgiveness, and pray you hear me somehow, someplace... someplace where a warm hand waits for mine."
Men: 😢
Oh this is ridiculous... I'm sure girls cry when they watch Heart of Ice too.
@@jordanloux3883 its referring to the fact that some false feminists claim that men are emotionless
because they didn't cry at one specific thing.
@@tariqshort4025 I'm aware, it's also boring and not funny anymore
@@tariqshort4025 this funny, mainly because you are just wrong.
Feminist are usually in favor of men showing emotions, because the whole "men should always be manly" is just so damaging, especially for boys growing up.
This is feminism 101, patriarchy is bad for everyone, because it perpetuates harmfull expectations.
Mr. Freeze was always my favorite batman villian, cause he never truly felt like a "villain," to me, he was just a dude who wanted his wife back.
Mr freeze being a sad is the coldest take you could have
Being a sad 🤨
@@hexasnexus2561 I was drunk when I wrote the comment lol
Remember: Mr. Freeze started out as a loser villain; even his name was different as he initially was called "Mr. Zero" with a lack of development.
It was until the excellent portrayal of the character in Batman TAS where Freeze was fleshed out and made into a better villain. So you can thanks Bruce Timm and Paul Dini for improving a character that would be an obscure Batman villain right now whom no one would give a dime if it wasn't by their ingenuity.
And he would have been completely forgotten by time altogether if it wasn't for his appearance on the Adam West Batman show.
@@jordanloux3883Yes. Thanks for giving that detail, dude. And you are actually right; the Batman show of the 60s actually gave some glimpses of the future Mr. Freeze, especifically his tragic backstory and his inability to have a normal life due to his accident.
One of my favorite lines in superhero history is "Death is cold, Batman".
Mr. Freeze is a very sad sympathetic character. He does everything in his power to find a cure for his wife disease. He has a heart made of ICE than blood. Batman always finds a way to be there for his villains despite all the bad things they done he feels a connection to his villains cos he knows what it’s like to be in pain and dead inside. ❤🖤
Bro your videos are so good. You have the perfect voice and tone for this. Makes the night at work much more bearable. Thanks homie 🙏
I don't know how they got him so wrong in n52 honestly. He went from a man who nearly lost his wife and his will to live to a creepy ass stalker.
OG Freeze will always be the best one.
He is a heart wrenching character. And I admit, the New 52 rendition didn't do him justice.
But on a lighter note it would be funny if Freeze were a major Arnold Schwarzenegger fan. He walks into his quarters. His goons think he's off to plot another scheme, but he turns to them and say: "No! There's an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie marathon and I never miss the chance to see Arnie in action!"
I could see that
I loved the old Batman cartoon. I had the whole collection. And I never got tired of watching it. Such Nostalgia. 🥰👍💯
13:38 I vaguely remember the spin off comic but what I remember is the Batman Beyond episode that was the sequel to that titled “Meltdown” which was just as depressing.
The thumbnail is my desktop background.
Excellent taste 👌
You really love to experience sadness everytime you boot up your computer don't you?
N*ice*
I can sympathize with freeze since i lost my wife to a horrible disease wishing that one day to find a cured it just to hold her in our arms once again he might be a fictional character still can relate in some ways or another
Damn bro got to this one before me lol. Great video!! The Batman Gotham Adventures comics have some hidden gems in them!
why can't they let this man get a happy ending
The same reason Bruce Wayne can never get over the death of his parents. Because writers fear that if you take away the trauma, you have nothing left, so they're stuck being static.
Actually the whole 'is Nora alive or dead' thing goes as far back at Heart of Ice itself. Dini and Timm intended Nora to be dead the entire time but the suits preferred her be alive. THat's why in the BTAS comics they keep saying she died between episodes.
A *gamer* could NEVER defeat him
Honestly I like to think that if Bruce’s company never said no to Mr. freeze project it’s highly possible that he would never become the villain we all know him as and instead would be a well respected employee that changed the medical industry with his cryo-technology under the Wayne industries.🐱
I like these kinds of stories. Yknow the kind where you aren’t screaming at Batman to just kill them already and be done with it. A story that makes Batman’s moral code much more believable.
0:05 its more like saying water makes things wet because its actually true
THANK YOU. SOMEONE GETS IT.
The Animated Series had the best version of Mr. Freeze hands down. Not a overbearing control freak, just a husband doing everything he can for the one person he loves
18:41 The glorious sounds of someone most likely having lost a bet
just like mr freeze always says "wow its cold"
With all the minds of the justice league they could cure his wife with barely a thought. Hell, Batman could do it in a knight(heh). Fries would probably serve all of his time if she got fixed
I've kind of wanted a Suicide Squad story setup with him as the only big name in it, 'trusted' by Waller because she has his heart in her hands and is offering him the only thing he wants. Make sure no one else on the squad knows his history and you could get some really great drama around how heartless he seems.
7:05
Mr. Handsome Freeze?!?!? 🥶
I know this is more of a Freeze video, but you hit the nail on the head with Batman. Actually having him feel for his villains and believe they can overcome their tragedies like he himself tries to do by being the Dark Knight, he's a much *cooler* character.
I will see myself out, great vid as usual Mullet Man.
Damn now I feel like a Batman villian and I'm thinking of her again
just rewatched heart of ice episode from the animated series what a coincidence
Man its so odd, I dont read comics, but I absolutly love your videos.
Nice I get to see a sad story before bed 😢 Thanks 😭
i never understand how people resonate or connect with a specific character until i heard of Mr. Freeze. The way he dreads to see death of someone or something beautiful or precious, the same type of fear i felt, the end of something always kept me away from enjoying stories fearing the end, the death or the discontinuation of it. In a way it selfish not wanting the end of something even if it not your own.
I love your content my guy. Your delivery is wonderful too, you keep the warm nostalgia of genuine comic storytelling alive in your niche here on youtube. This one moved me, and I'll admit I shed a few tears. Thank you for sharing these stories
Thank you for yet another great video Mullet Man
Oh, depression
The two stories that do freeze the dirtiest is the comic where he saves Nora and she injects him with a formula that nearly kills him leaving him behind. The second is the Harley Quinn show where sacrificed himself to save Nora (in a stupid move where Freeze and Batman couldn’t save her after years but Ivy somehow did) and she then becomes a whore and party girl. It’s both insulting to his lifetime of sacrifice and even to the fans.
Of course the BTAS version does it the best -- they invented this version of the character. Every story to come after that has tried to change details or just did the same story worse.
Waylon is sadder imo. Victor is just controlling and unable to accept reality. Clayface did get him tho and that was messed up but otherwise not a sad story imo.
Topright frame at 5:17 looks SO MUCH like Medic TF2,, the brainrot is taking over,,,
I’m watching every single video from you right now and this shit crazy!
Mr. Freeze embodies the saying "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" and is on of the highest examples of a good tragic villian especially in the 90s animated series
I love the batman the animated series. The way batman is portrayed and his villains. This version of Freeze is my absolute favorite, and I loved seeing him again in batman beyond. His ending hit hard though.
The thing about Freeze is that all bruce/batman needed to do was fund his research to cure his wife and he'd not only be a friend but his skills would make people see him. not a monster but a guy who only wanted to save the one he loved.
I was crying practically the whole video. With that being said, I am going to leave a like now and i will be tewatching it like ten times in the next few days.. and I will most likely cry every time lol
Mr Freeze is never the real monster, it is instead the people who inflict Frieze with the scars he has, never letting him live the life he wants, while simultaneously, crushing the chance for him to get what he will lose, from Ferris, to his father, the monsters that haunt Freeze, are the scars he has from them
This video was beautiful!
I just got into yo ch yesterday!
I'm so happy,I feel like just slipped into a goldmine!
Give me the ending where Freeze willing goes to Arkham and his wife is just being kept safely somewhere, I like that one, it doesn't make me cry
Damm, Clayface kicking a man while he's down and destorying his chance for love once and for all.
Is so sad that now he got even replaced by Mrs Freeze😢
The most magical aspect of Marvel/DC is their ability to create such deep and compelling stories with characters that could have originated from a child's after school drawings of a bat shaped guy fighting an evil freezer.
That squidward, Mr. Fries caught me off guard. Hahaha.
Mr. Freeze is my favorite batman villain, because i like his robot suit
The clay face story is such a sad story
Mr Freeze is easily one of my favorite villains in Batman's rogues gallery because I feel like he's one of the few among them who actually has a shot at setting his record straight.
Unlike just about every single one of the Bat's rogues, Freeze is less insane than he is just incredibly desperate. It's probably why I find him to be the most sympathetic and relatable of Batman's rogues. His situation and his motivations are just so real, to the point where I'm sure that most of us would turn out somewhat like Freeze if we were in his shoes.
7:05 alternate universe handsome squidward? 👀 (sorry😂 damn I need to go to bed)
Please make a video about The Scarecrow too
Damn I never know he was chill like that
That's some Romeo and Juliet levels of tragic. To be given hope after years in a cell, only to find out that the Nora that visited him was just Clayman using him. All the while Nora actually did receive the letter and was on the way to see him but it was too late.
Mr Freeze was always one of my favorite tragic "villains" since my childhood
Arnold absolutely killed it as Mr Freeze in Batman & Robin. maybe one too many cold puns but other than that it was damn good.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING!
This guy was my favorite villain in the batman beyond series
I think cold cold heart is amazing as well with Freeze in anger trying to help nora especially the line's where he's begging for help on the ground from boyle to help nora. its so striking
Man screw clayface. This was sad as hell.
Almost got me..
A hero would sacrifice you for the world. A villain would sacrifice the world for you.
The Batman: TAS comics are actually pretty fucked up sometimes, like, unjustly so. They needlessly ruin Fries’s life and did the same sort of thing to Harvey; making him think Bruce took his wife from him thanks to an act by Joker and Harley without ever learning the truth, or before Harvey could cross a point in his rage that his wife would never wanna see his face again.
Without Paul Dini, anything based on it is just resting on his Laurels.
Mr freeze is like any man who would do anything for there lover
I really love the depictions where Victor and Nora had a healthy relationship, but because Nora was the only person who showed Victor kindness, he was terrified of the possibility of her dying, leaving him alone. Again. As he had been his whole life, until she came in.
Once he got a job, suddenly freezing things wasn’t so frowned upon anymore. Oh, how times change.
Truly, an amazing video.
No no no no no no no no.
Batman is a sad character.
Mothman is a sad character.
Ace is a sad character.
Dr. Victor Fries...is a tragedy.
12:27 man mr freeze can’t cache a break😢😢😢
Honestly, the one told in the Animated Series and then continued in Batman Beyond is the best version.
Hey, I stumbled upon this channel by sheer happenstance a few days ago and it's quickly becoming one of my favorite comic channels! Keep up the good work!
Heart of ice is the best episode of the animated series. It's the best version of batman universe. They made it human, empathic. Batman really cared.
I actually like the twist with Victor in the new 52 because it is a cool change of pace. The original story has been done thousands of times.
It's one of the reasons why I did like Victor in the Batman cartoon
HOLY CRAP! BtAS Clayface is normally sympathetic, but the issue shown here and the Growing Pains episodes are shockingly effective at making you hate him! Long continuities can be hard to keep up with, but it's only through them that you can get such riveting scenes of two sympathetic monsters hate each other and feel just as outraged as both of them!
Also, props to Ferris Boyle and Roland Daggett. Lex Luthor may be more dangerous, but at least he entertains the idea of saving the world rather than only ever seeing it as something to exploit.
Man, being reminded of Growing Pains reminds me why I absolutely have him on the 'end them' list for that continuity. Lines man...
@Sorain1 Growing Pains was ROUGH! I keep forgetting that BtAS Hagen was a piece of crap even before he became Clayface, but Growing Pains makes sure you never forget that he's awful.
15:00 What heart 💀
That's what i thought
It is good that Nora still cared for him but in the end, it was too late, maybe it wasn't meant to be or last, but they are separated now...different paths
There was a Batgirl comic where Mr Freeze teamed up with the League of Assassins to get a lazarus pit to try and revive Nora. It...didn't go well, she went insane and became Lazara, an undying monstrosity who could raise the dead
someone should have given freeze a sandbox game and let him power fantasy it out as a kid
I don't poop on a regular basis.
Can't wait for the next video "red hood is angry"
Keep up the great work