Jason Todd is the fucking definition of spite this man not only survived the Joker but he survived *the writers who actively tried to kill him off because they hated him so much*
@@johnbloodborne9243 no author who loves their character listens when the general populace say they want him dead as hell. if the audience had voted for Jason to survive, he would’ve ended up braindead in a coma and would’ve been replaced anyway. writers just wanted him gone
Funny to hear that from Batman who breaks multiple bones of thugs every single day while still holding back and who has no qualms about torturing people to near-death.
@alexferrana3979 When has Batman ever said violence isn't the answer, though? Just another pathetic attempt at trying to up Jason while putting Batman down.
@@RyanG0899 Nobody is putting Jason up. In fact, everybody all puts Batman up, even when Batman is clearly in the wrong. One primary example, was in Justice League: Tower of Babel. Batman was clearly wrong in that story, yet everybody mostly defended Batman. Only a few people realised how wrong Batman was. It's time for Jason Todd to get the recognition that he deserves
I think Aang is a bad example. He gave Ozai a much worse fate than death. He thought himself superior to basically everyone because he was a fire bender, and Aang took away the thing that made him powerful and special. Now he's just a regular dude who's gonna be locked up for life by his "disgrace" of a son while he rules the nation.
This is why I prefer anti-heros, every time they let villains live and hope they change, they're running the risk of more people dying. The villain escapes, goes back to killing innocents, this could have been prevented if they killed the bad guys. Anti -heros understand to face evil requires a necessary evil, you have to be willing take out the villain to save the innocent
Exactly! Heros are more of the VILLIANS for letting theses VILLIANS live.? Joker has harm and killed so many lives . He needs to be put down. For the safety of the innocents. Red hood is just that guy
Spider man has a reason since “ with great power, comes great responsibility “ and being spider man is about being hopeful and making jokes, and he knows he can kill people, but chooses not to because killing people ain’t the answer.
@luafamily Spiderman isn't an anti hero, cool guy though. Hero's look at the world differently to an anti hero, doesn't mean they're wrong, just different view points. I resonate more with anti hero's than heroes
I do think batman and Spiderman have valid reasons to not kill which simply doesnt get explored properly, they're *symbols*, they aren't mere men they are figures of hope that people look to in times of desperation, they're pillars of heroism and beacons of light that inspire their community to move forward.
reader 1: i wanted that villain in another story… why did they have to kill him… rip zod in man of steel… he would been great as a vegeta type character in a superman sequel. reader 2: why di all these stories take place in worlds with ashole villains doing the ashole villain things that should be punishable by death… why not a nice story for once reader 3: the redemption would be a good incetefull arc
another neat thing about my boy, in the comics, Jason initially went after Joker in Ethiopia because of his biological mother, who sold him out. Everything he did was to try and protect her, despite her ass selling him out and sitting there while he gets his ass handed to him by the Joker. After the beating, Jason even tries to save his mother from the explosion.
Considering what happened to Jason at the hands of the Joker, and how piss-poor of a job Batman did to find him. Jason definitely had every right to do what he did.
@@alexferrana3979I mean you shouldn’t really judge anyone, I feel Batman kind of just wants other people to have his morals and sometimes fails to understand that people should be free to make their own decisions
@Zexrow23 in under the red hood, we actually know why he doesn't like killing: he's insane. The moment he kills one, he will lose himself. Despite everything Jason went through (seriously, even in the comics he's had it worse than Batman (f it, pretty much the whole bat family) from Birth to his death and then resurrection. In Arkham it just turns this pain up to 11 talking about JASONS own pain), he is sane enough to kill ONLY does who need to be killed and spare those who don't need to be pit out of their misery
@@BIGTHANKSHEESHThe problem is that killing someone on the basis of “it needs to be done” is too abstract of an ideology to go off of, what does that mean? What’s your criteria? How can we trust you to be correct on this all the time?
Seriously, all the world would need is: The Punisher, Jason Todd (Red Hood), and Ghost Rider...maybe add Spawn, Deadpool, Wolverine, and Clint Barton's Ronin. Just THAT team going country to country, and mercing every last A-hole who thinks they are above answering for what evil they do.
If you genuinely root for the punisher, you’re missing the point of his character. Those people are not supposed to be idolised like you think they are. The punishers entire existence and writing is quite literally arguing against your perception of anti heroes.
Only thing I wanna say about this is Batman did actually try and do something about it, both in the comics and in the game. He spent a VERY long time searching for Jason. He was also pissed the fuck off and was being way more brutal to the criminals, it got to the point that Tim Drake noticed this, tracked down Batman and figured out who he was and convinced him to take him as a Robin because he needed someone to help level him out. Bruce had actually sworn off taking robins or sidekicks at all after Jason died. But Bruce gave up his search after receiving that tape from Joker “killing” Jason. Jason was also fed a lot of lies about what had gone down by Joker and such. Edit: Side note. Bruce actually later tracked down Joker and beat him near death, but couldn’t finish the job because that was exactly what joker wanted him to do, break his code and prove Joker’s “one bad day” theory correct.
Ya’ll goofies love this trash ssa excuse😭💀This mf let his “kid” get tortured and killed by a grown ssa man in clown paint that he has saved and made up excuses for on multiple occasions as to why he hasn’t permanently dealt with the murdering psychopath that’s freely roaming the city💀
@@burdman8869 It’s always this garbage ssa excuse💀Mf allowed his “kid” to get kidnapped, tortured, and killed by a grown ssa lunatic in clown paint and has created multiple excuses as to why he hasn’t permanently dealt with the murdering psychopath roaming the very city he’s supposedly protecting😭😂
@@BdDreaEMD He didn’t “allow” Jason to get captured. Jason got himself captured by not listening to Bruce. Bruce took Jason off of Robin duty and made him stay home. Bruce then tracked Joker down to Israel where he was getting a nuke, Jason snuck onto a plane there to find his real mom. Because he found out she lived there. Joker found Jason, used his mom to capture him and then he set up a bomb to kill the kid and his mom. Bruce didn’t even find out until it was already too late, Bruce was given an ultimatum of either stopping the nuke or saving Jason. Bruce was able to stop the nuke quickly, but didn’t have enough time to save Jason so when he got there the bomb went off. In the comics it’s largely the same, just without the nuke or bomb in Israel, and with joker just straight up hiding Jason in Arkham for a year while Bruce was searching around looking for him and nearly killing any random criminal who MIGHT know something.
1:11 you’re not wrong but this is for people who aren’t super into the lore. Jason was soft, yes, but that’s relative to what he would eventually become. But as Robin, compared to other robins, Jason was actually going too hard on bad guys, which he was reprimanded for. Mind you, Jason had the roughest life out of the main 4, he was caught by Batman while trying to steal tires from the Batmobile.
I'm given to understand that prior to one of DC's many continuity revisions,the original reason Jason Todd was resurrected was because...and let me be clear that I have a very tenuous grasp on what the following sentence even means...because Superboy Prime (not really sure who that is) "punched reality" so hard (not really sure what that means) that it brought Jason back to life. Or something. If you already knew about this,I do not blame you for choosing not to mention it. The Lazarus Pit explanation that we were given later on is WAY more in keeping with Batman's corner of the DC Universe. Way less stupid and insane,too.
So, Silver Age Superman was stupid powerful. Like chaining up multiple planets with a long chain and dragging them around. Superboy Prime was basically that level of power in the then modern continuity. He was a level of power that nobody knew what to do with.
My only problem with the Lazarus Pit explanation is that it removes the part where Jason wakes up in his own coffin and *crawls out of his own fucking grave*. Says a lot about Jason that he was so stubborn and determined to live that immediately after being brutally tortured and blown up by the Joker (imediately from his perspective, it had actually been ~6 months) he wakes up stuck inside a coffin with very limited oxygen, dressed in a funeral suit and has to break through solid wood and dig through 6 feet of dirt with his bare hands. The fact that he didn't die again while trying to get out is insane.
my fave jason todd scene in the multiple choice thing is going down the route where batman dies and in the end Jason happens to meet up with a seemingly reformed joker in a diner. he tells jason the same joke from the end of the killing joke storyline and jason realises who he is. in response jason references what joker told him when left for dead and no warning or hesitation jason stabs him in the eye with the diner knife. Jason was really kind at the beginning but when he realised who he was talking to and what he was gonna do he was cold and ruthless af. love that scene. link - ruclips.net/video/ZHFvELji-OE/видео.html
Yes, I love anti-heroes, you perfectly explained why I went from a batman fan to someone that can't stand his sense of superiority and strong arming everyone into following his sense of morals
i loved jason in arkham knight, dude was straight menace. Jason's torture and him getting psychologically broken to the point he starts to hate bruce is the reason why I'll never be a fangirl ever again. if i was bruce, joker would be puppy chow by the time im done with him
In the Arkham knight prequel comics, jason was getting raped bullied tortured, then apparently he went alone after joker in the 1st place because he blew up a hospital full of children btw. Thats when jason had enough and shut of his tracker so he could get the job done. The Arkham joker is twisted and sadistic as fuck
"World's greatest detective" couldn't find Jason for almost 2 years. 2 years of torture from the Joker because your father figure failed at the one thing he's great at would instill a rage that would make young Kratos tremble.
In Aangs case, for the fire nation leader who brainwashed hos people on the precepts of strength, and is known for being all powerful, being beaten by an 11 year old and having his bending taken away is a fate worse than death. His reputation is completly ruined. Taking away bending in general is probably worse than death for most, but especially for him.
The 90's was the Anti-hero era. As a preteen the Punisher was my favorite comic book character. Now they're giving us a villians perspective. It's definitely working with The Penguin. I want him to fall of course but it's refreshing to get a layered villian.
@@Zexrow23that’s you though. I don’t understand this comment. A lot people complain and make videos about it. I can name at least 10 videos already today that seen people complaining about heros saying no. Just bc you are okay with it doesn’t me everyone else is ibr.
I really hate the “No kill” trope, like why? Seriously more people are going to be inadvertently killed by sparing monsters. And I hate preachy they always are about it
@@rettin8486 exactly my point on hating how preachy it is, the writers making up bs stories on how Batman finally put down the joker “BUT OH NO, NOW HE CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HITLER AND JAYWALKERS” like you mean to tell me that Batman! The man who trained his body and soul, has resisted fear toxin multiple times and isn’t swayed by poison ivy. You mean to tell me he doesn’t have the mental capacity to put down a rabid dog without turning into a mass murdering machine? The writers are basically going “I’m right, you’re wrong, end of story”
@@rettin8486 which makes no sense, if we started leaving serial killers walk around free you know for sure how it's gonna end, the whole nothing changes thing is just the writers milking up the franchises
0:54, The main problem with lethal heroes or anti-heroes like Red Hood is that either they only kill goons or their villains just come back from the dead, just like heroes often end up coming back if their villains kill them. It literally does not matter if a character is merciful because their compassionate or a coward or they want their villains punished by the people, nor does it matter if a character kills because they're defending people or because their indulging themselves by punishing others. Nothing they do really changes anything for long. Red Hood is a prime example of this because he constantly flip flops between killing and not killing, anti-hero and straight up villain, and in all that change, he never does anything that lasts. Even in this game, he ends up killing not Penguin or Two-Face or even Harley....you know...the girlfriend of the man who used him as a piñata and then shot him....but Black Mask, who at this point is a has-been gangster that hasn't be relevant in the city in decades.
@@alexferrana3979 , Punisher's an exception only to a certain extent, since still nothing changes because of his actions, only difference is, he doesn't really care about change. He's not some champion of the oppressed or defender of the innocent, he's a soldier that never adjusted to civilian life and the death of his family at the hands of gangsters gave him a renewed sense of purpose he couldn't find with that family, an enemy that would always need a soldier like him to fight it. In a way, characters like Punisher kind of strip away any illusions of a better, "easier", "purer" form of justice that some people think anti-heroes embody, because characters like these care less about saving or protecting anyone, not as much as...well punishing people, and not always for good reasons. Ghost Rider is very similar in that way, to the point where some stories focus on the danger of a being that targets abstract concepts like "sin" and "evil" deciding anyone with even a hint of negativity to them, the smallest of flaws and indiscretions, is a target. But that's part of what makes anti-heroes interesting, how they twist what is acceptable for a hero, much less a good person, to be and do, and how "right" they are to do what they do within the context of their narratives.
If only Gotham had Capital Punishment, Batman's bullshit wouldn't be so bad...and as much as I don't like Nolan's movies, the: "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you" part makes much more sense, than playing a rescue dog for villains
Fr, gordon being sad about joker was WILD. One of the most haunting non horror scenes that ive ever beared witness too was that joker face during the barbara incident. That shit was genuinly scary the first time i saw it. And gordon was sitting on the couch, he saw that face, and he still felt bad? Hell naw, i would have been telling jason to run, ill cover for you with batman
They are called anti heroes for a reason. A true real hero is always trying to save , even their enemy. They do not kill. That is not up to them whether they deserve to live or die. Its probably THE most controversial spiritual dilemma a person can go through. And why antgaonizing a hero to always go to the edge is so interesting. Once they kill they truly are no better than the villians they try to stop. Now its a battle within oneself.
I agree with your point precisely. My step dad murdered my mom and stole over a million dollars from me. Solution not answer tho. Because it’s a question not a problem.
@@WadeWalker22 thank you but I’d rather avenge it. Then she can rest I bet. The evidence pointed to a pillow. He suffocated her dragged her to the floor acted like he was doing CPR on her until the ambulance or whatever paramedic showed up and then she wasn’t actually dead so they had her at the hospital and he was in a super rush to take her off life support because he knew she woke up that he was fucked and I had a medical power of attorney and he freaking kept me from getting down there to Vegas where they were at
@@Zexrow23 my mom and I won’t work for you at the government. I don’t know if that’s the case. When I say the US government I mean, in some capacity was kind of evil. I’m pretty sure my mom is a ghost. I see her once in a while in like window reflections and stuff. She doesn’t look real happy that’s for sure.
Small correction; The Arkham verse had its own comic line, and in said comic line Jason was not in fact killed; instead being saved by Deathstroke under the promise that he would pay him a LOT of cash, which he did out of Bruce Wayne's pockets. He then went on to become the Arkham Knight and Yada Yada Yada.
Aang was raised with those ideals, it’s one the last things of his people he still has, but even then Aang spared Ozai with no expectations of his redemption, it’s not even a thought, no what he did to Ozai was worse than death, he stripped him of power, stripped him of strength, stripped him of everything he had ever valued in his life and left him a disgrace in his own veiw to himself and to his people and a life of imprisonment and broken soulless torment of having no power over NO ONE, Ozai valued his control and strength, and he’ll spend the rest of his life rotting away only WISHING he could just have a taste of it one day, only for reality of his situation to crush him, any time he hopes to dream
Well Batman _is_ crazy, I’m sure clinically. Man does the same thing with the same people who try to kill and hurt him everyday, with no rest. Dude literally has backup plans against EVERYONE! Even people he should trust. He does extremely dangerous stunts all the time with no care for the damage done to his body. He doesn’t even see himself as Bruce, when holding the lasso of truth, he literally said “I’m bat man” when the others said their names. He truly believes that his real self is the Batman and Bruce Wayne is only a mask. He stops at nothing even if he full well knows that it means it’s going to repeat the damn cycle again. He is simply just a different kind of crazy, one who does just enough legal stuff for the police not to interfere.
Whenever I hear someone be like superhero’s are lame as hell cuz they don’t kill the bad guys I think about the flash episodes from the justice league show where two of his villains were showed human decency and kindness instead of just being treated like bad guys and I’m like they wouldn’t deserve death ( prison yea) but not death
Tbf Aang did take Ozai’s bending away and locked him up in a dark cell forever. Imagine being completely powerless and having to spend the rest of your days in a dark ass room. That’s a fate worse than death.
Dang, I honestly have always loved anti-heroes more than heroes and villains combined. Like - frfr, Deadpool will always be my Top 1 on Marvels. Now Jason Todd will always be my Top 1 in DC.
I usually agree with the killing the villans and more when they do very fucked up shit. But Aang has a pass, because he fucked Ozai mentally. Keep in mind Ozai is a "Might makes right" to the extreme mentality. Aang ripped his bending out of him, and destroyed his army and trust of his people on him (for the most part). Ozai never says it directly but if Zuko, Azula or any kid of his would have bor without bending (aka did not developed it because a baby does not show it) he would have tossed it to the street head first. So being turned into a non-bender is worse than death for him. Aang destroyed him with his own life filosofy and throw his ass in jail for life.
Not only did Jason get revived and IMMEDIATELY beeline it to work with one of batmans ops, he picked the meanest one too. When it comes to killing batman, there's a whole lost of villians that have much better attempts than Scarecrow, but when it comes to BREAKING the batman, that's comes down to either joker or scarecrow
Arkham Todd is the weakest version for me personally. The joker is dead already and criminals (probably regular people also) rumour that batman was involved so his motivation to highlight bruce's weakness by letting him live is null. Like he says in the red hood "I forgive you for not saving me. But why, why on gods earth is he still alive?". Also when Todd snaps he's still a vigilante whilst in arkham he's a terrorist who aides other terrorists and helped kill innocents and nearly destroyed the city he thinks hes superior in defending. While i do think his kidnapping and torture is probably the most messed up version, him being trapped in arkham for years and then escaping during arkham asylum 2009 just doesn't make sense to me.
Arkham Knight was such a let down I immediately knew it was Jason when he first started talking to Batman in that game lol coulda been cool it being a completely different new character like they said it was.
I want to expand on some answer I saw in the comments below. In the comics, Jason died after he was sold to the Joker by his birth mother Sheila Haywood. Jay and Bruce had been searching for a while, that why they were in Ethiopia, she worked there. After a couple of hours of torture, Jay still got up and tried to save her(she was betrayed and tied by the Joker as well). Jason died immediately in the explosion, but Sheila was able to talk to Batman a bit and told him he died a hero, before dying as well(btw Batman still doesn't now the exact dynamics of Jason capture to this day)Jason was really dead, until Superboy Prime (who is actually a fan from our reality) during a battle with other heroes, started "punching reality", which means retconing everything he didn't like, including Jason Todd death (the event was actually a pool in real life to decide if kill him or not, and it was rigged). Jason woke up still inside the coffin and had to crawl his way out. He was in a semicomatose state until he was found by Talia al Ghul, who actually wanted to rehabilitate him as a gift for Batman. The Lazarus pit was the last resource since he still didn't respond and Ra's al ghul was gonna kill him. After he woke up, he stayed and trained with Talia and grew towards hate when he saw Bruce already "replaced" him. After that everything is the same as the Under the Red Hood film. Right now in the comics I would say that Jason calmed down and they are in some kinda family relationship again.
*Batman: Under the red Hood* Batman: but if I do that, if I allow myself to go down into that place I'll never come back Jason: Why? I mean the Police use lethal force all the time, but you don't hearthem saying: "I'll never come back"
Brooo I did not know about that 3rd option of the movie. I'd heard about the one where Bruce dies but DANG. Jason so cold wit it man. When I first played his dlc in arkham knight I was hyped the entire time just like "damn this mf cold with it" so HEAT
"Whoever your favorite hero is, no matter how many people they save. They ultimately fail when it matters the most, they dont kill" Meanwhile moon knight: and you go down the stairs! And you go down the stairs! And you go-
Yeah dude that's because that's how they writ his character so he doesn't want to kill cuz he was raised by monks monks don't kill. It's not dumb writing it's that's his character and he doesn't want to do something. That's morally wrong so he does it entirely different
Jason Todd is the fucking definition of spite this man not only survived the Joker but he survived *the writers who actively tried to kill him off because they hated him so much*
And that's why we like him so much
Actually. It was the Batman Fans that hated him. It’s why the writers even had a pole to begin with!
@@danielramsey6141 I've heard about it, but didn't know it was real, you know since all the bs that goes around internet...
Nope, it was actually the fans that killed him off
@@johnbloodborne9243 no author who loves their character listens when the general populace say they want him dead as hell. if the audience had voted for Jason to survive, he would’ve ended up braindead in a coma and would’ve been replaced anyway. writers just wanted him gone
Bruce: violence isn't the answer jason
Jason: you're right, it's the question, and the answer is inevitably yes.
Funny to hear that from Batman who breaks multiple bones of thugs every single day while still holding back and who has no qualms about torturing people to near-death.
@alexferrana3979 When has Batman ever said violence isn't the answer, though? Just another pathetic attempt at trying to up Jason while putting Batman down.
@@RyanG0899 bro you're thinking way too hard about this
@@RyanG0899
Nobody is putting Jason up.
In fact, everybody all puts Batman up, even when Batman is clearly in the wrong.
One primary example, was in Justice League: Tower of Babel.
Batman was clearly wrong in that story, yet everybody mostly defended Batman. Only a few people realised how wrong Batman was.
It's time for Jason Todd to get the recognition that he deserves
@@lord-of-the-shinobi-world this. this exactly so many people simp for batman blindly that i defend jason to my grave
Apparently in the comics, Joker had him for months. Like you can't even imagine what he would have been put through.
Exactly don’t even blame him for being pissed Batman keeps him alive
@@WadeWalker22 actually it was a year 🤓
Those were the arkham comics tho and the actual comics it was like an hour of beating then boom.
in the comics, he had him for a few hours, in the arkham comics, he had him for two years.
no-bro-he-killed-him-with-the-crowbar
A fun detail with Jason's detective vision is that his says neutralized instead of unconscious like everyone else's
Which actual makes me really think he uses rubber bullets 😭
@@WadeWalker22Jason Todd: The selfish deed is not freedom
Bro how. This nigga canoically smokes 20 dudes a night like actual smoke. AS IN THEY NOT CONING BACK @WadeWalker22
@@memerboi7128w yakuza reference
@@WadeWalker22 Rubber bullets? Is that a Taiga Saejima reference?
Red hood is absolutely amazing. Litterly his backstory his determination his smartness and STRENGTH omg he’s probably my absolute favorite character
I would love to see how he co-operate with Sin Tzu.
If you know Sin Tzu, you'll find it amazing
I think Aang is a bad example. He gave Ozai a much worse fate than death. He thought himself superior to basically everyone because he was a fire bender, and Aang took away the thing that made him powerful and special. Now he's just a regular dude who's gonna be locked up for life by his "disgrace" of a son while he rules the nation.
The thing with Aang is the way he was raised. Air benders are pacifist and they want no violence and all they want is peace.
You should know fire lord ozai was planning to overthrow zuko in the comics so I'm pretty sure killing ozai was the best decision
And keeping him alive was also a way to prevent him from becoming a martyr
Taking the power that makes him feel superior is far worse than death.
@@ichigomyrone1124i mean, he wanna overpower zuko but tf he gon do? Throw some hot oil on the other side of his face this time?
That F the Riddler was personal lol
Those Dam Riddler Trophies Bro 😂
And doing them damn riddles just to kick his shit in on arkham knight was worth it😂
@@Hikaru0kamikiI disagree
We were too easy on him
@@mat7083 Yeah Selina stealing all his assets was just a slap on the wrist
This is why I prefer anti-heros, every time they let villains live and hope they change, they're running the risk of more people dying. The villain escapes, goes back to killing innocents, this could have been prevented if they killed the bad guys. Anti -heros understand to face evil requires a necessary evil, you have to be willing take out the villain to save the innocent
Exactly! Heros are more of the VILLIANS for letting theses VILLIANS live.? Joker has harm and killed so many lives . He needs to be put down. For the safety of the innocents. Red hood is just that guy
Spider man has a reason since “ with great power, comes great responsibility “ and being spider man is about being hopeful and making jokes, and he knows he can kill people, but chooses not to because killing people ain’t the answer.
@luafamily Spiderman isn't an anti hero, cool guy though. Hero's look at the world differently to an anti hero, doesn't mean they're wrong, just different view points. I resonate more with anti hero's than heroes
I do think batman and Spiderman have valid reasons to not kill which simply doesnt get explored properly, they're *symbols*, they aren't mere men they are figures of hope that people look to in times of desperation, they're pillars of heroism and beacons of light that inspire their community to move forward.
Righteous Retribution or Indignation is authorized against mass murderers hands down.
Hero: "If you kill the villan you're just like them"
Writer: If the Villain dies then I have to make a new one
reader 1: i wanted that villain in another story… why did they have to kill him… rip zod in man of steel… he would been great as a vegeta type character in a superman sequel.
reader 2: why di all these stories take place in worlds with ashole villains doing the ashole villain things that should be punishable by death… why not a nice story for once
reader 3: the redemption would be a good incetefull arc
another neat thing about my boy, in the comics, Jason initially went after Joker in Ethiopia because of his biological mother, who sold him out. Everything he did was to try and protect her, despite her ass selling him out and sitting there while he gets his ass handed to him by the Joker. After the beating, Jason even tries to save his mother from the explosion.
He's so real. Canon and fic alike love to label him the failed Robin, but he's the one who embodies that light the best imho.
Then he became one of the most if not the most badass characters in comics
I enjoy playing with him in Arkham Knight
Considering what happened to Jason at the hands of the Joker, and how piss-poor of a job Batman did to find him. Jason definitely had every right to do what he did.
Yep. Red Hood was right and Batman shouldn't judge him.
@@alexferrana3979I mean you shouldn’t really judge anyone, I feel Batman kind of just wants other people to have his morals and sometimes fails to understand that people should be free to make their own decisions
@Zexrow23 in under the red hood, we actually know why he doesn't like killing: he's insane. The moment he kills one, he will lose himself. Despite everything Jason went through (seriously, even in the comics he's had it worse than Batman (f it, pretty much the whole bat family) from Birth to his death and then resurrection. In Arkham it just turns this pain up to 11 talking about JASONS own pain), he is sane enough to kill ONLY does who need to be killed and spare those who don't need to be pit out of their misery
@@BIGTHANKSHEESHThe problem is that killing someone on the basis of “it needs to be done” is too abstract of an ideology to go off of, what does that mean? What’s your criteria? How can we trust you to be correct on this all the time?
@somethingthatisntcringe757 the Joker? Don't make me laugh
Seriously, all the world would need is: The Punisher, Jason Todd (Red Hood), and Ghost Rider...maybe add Spawn, Deadpool, Wolverine, and Clint Barton's Ronin. Just THAT team going country to country, and mercing every last A-hole who thinks they are above answering for what evil they do.
And dr doom as well
Nah, fuck Punisher
They'd be the gotdang Mop-Up Crew
@@TheBatman667One man to rule them all.
If you genuinely root for the punisher, you’re missing the point of his character. Those people are not supposed to be idolised like you think they are. The punishers entire existence and writing is quite literally arguing against your perception of anti heroes.
Maaaaan hands down one of the funniest videos I’ve seen lately, Jason is a menace
Thanks man 😂trait up he made me fw anti hero’s
@@WadeWalker22 His straight to the bullet point attitude is money, he just doesn’t take shit anymore
Only thing I wanna say about this is Batman did actually try and do something about it, both in the comics and in the game. He spent a VERY long time searching for Jason. He was also pissed the fuck off and was being way more brutal to the criminals, it got to the point that Tim Drake noticed this, tracked down Batman and figured out who he was and convinced him to take him as a Robin because he needed someone to help level him out. Bruce had actually sworn off taking robins or sidekicks at all after Jason died. But Bruce gave up his search after receiving that tape from Joker “killing” Jason. Jason was also fed a lot of lies about what had gone down by Joker and such. Edit: Side note. Bruce actually later tracked down Joker and beat him near death, but couldn’t finish the job because that was exactly what joker wanted him to do, break his code and prove Joker’s “one bad day” theory correct.
Naw screw that Joker should have been a grease spot on the road
Ya’ll goofies love this trash ssa excuse😭💀This mf let his “kid” get tortured and killed by a grown ssa man in clown paint that he has saved and made up excuses for on multiple occasions as to why he hasn’t permanently dealt with the murdering psychopath that’s freely roaming the city💀
@@PotatoWithALaptop Exactly.
@@burdman8869 It’s always this garbage ssa excuse💀Mf allowed his “kid” to get kidnapped, tortured, and killed by a grown ssa lunatic in clown paint and has created multiple excuses as to why he hasn’t permanently dealt with the murdering psychopath roaming the very city he’s supposedly protecting😭😂
@@BdDreaEMD He didn’t “allow” Jason to get captured. Jason got himself captured by not listening to Bruce. Bruce took Jason off of Robin duty and made him stay home. Bruce then tracked Joker down to Israel where he was getting a nuke, Jason snuck onto a plane there to find his real mom. Because he found out she lived there. Joker found Jason, used his mom to capture him and then he set up a bomb to kill the kid and his mom. Bruce didn’t even find out until it was already too late, Bruce was given an ultimatum of either stopping the nuke or saving Jason. Bruce was able to stop the nuke quickly, but didn’t have enough time to save Jason so when he got there the bomb went off. In the comics it’s largely the same, just without the nuke or bomb in Israel, and with joker just straight up hiding Jason in Arkham for a year while Bruce was searching around looking for him and nearly killing any random criminal who MIGHT know something.
1:11 you’re not wrong but this is for people who aren’t super into the lore. Jason was soft, yes, but that’s relative to what he would eventually become. But as Robin, compared to other robins, Jason was actually going too hard on bad guys, which he was reprimanded for. Mind you, Jason had the roughest life out of the main 4, he was caught by Batman while trying to steal tires from the Batmobile.
I'm given to understand that prior to one of DC's many continuity revisions,the original reason Jason Todd was resurrected was because...and let me be clear that I have a very tenuous grasp on what the following sentence even means...because Superboy Prime (not really sure who that is) "punched reality" so hard (not really sure what that means) that it brought Jason back to life. Or something. If you already knew about this,I do not blame you for choosing not to mention it. The Lazarus Pit explanation that we were given later on is WAY more in keeping with Batman's corner of the DC Universe. Way less stupid and insane,too.
Jesus never knew this I’m assuming this must only be in the comics??
So, Silver Age Superman was stupid powerful. Like chaining up multiple planets with a long chain and dragging them around. Superboy Prime was basically that level of power in the then modern continuity. He was a level of power that nobody knew what to do with.
Thanks for explaining this MF sound like a demigod 😂
@@WadeWalker22 yup. Thank God,right!?
My only problem with the Lazarus Pit explanation is that it removes the part where Jason wakes up in his own coffin and *crawls out of his own fucking grave*.
Says a lot about Jason that he was so stubborn and determined to live that immediately after being brutally tortured and blown up by the Joker (imediately from his perspective, it had actually been ~6 months) he wakes up stuck inside a coffin with very limited oxygen, dressed in a funeral suit and has to break through solid wood and dig through 6 feet of dirt with his bare hands.
The fact that he didn't die again while trying to get out is insane.
my fave jason todd scene in the multiple choice thing is going down the route where batman dies and in the end Jason happens to meet up with a seemingly reformed joker in a diner. he tells jason the same joke from the end of the killing joke storyline and jason realises who he is. in response jason references what joker told him when left for dead and no warning or hesitation jason stabs him in the eye with the diner knife.
Jason was really kind at the beginning but when he realised who he was talking to and what he was gonna do he was cold and ruthless af. love that scene.
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Warner bros should do a spinoff to Batman Arkham knight doing the fight for the cowl storyline
Yes, I love anti-heroes, you perfectly explained why I went from a batman fan to someone that can't stand his sense of superiority and strong arming everyone into following his sense of morals
Means a lot man I def feel as u go through life ur perspective on “villains” change u realize life isn’t black and white
To be fair in Ozai's case having his powers getting taken away was literally a fate worse than death for him.
i loved jason in arkham knight, dude was straight menace. Jason's torture and him getting psychologically broken to the point he starts to hate bruce is the reason why I'll never be a fangirl ever again. if i was bruce, joker would be puppy chow by the time im done with him
In the Arkham knight prequel comics, jason was getting raped bullied tortured, then apparently he went alone after joker in the 1st place because he blew up a hospital full of children btw. Thats when jason had enough and shut of his tracker so he could get the job done. The Arkham joker is twisted and sadistic as fuck
Wait what Jason was getting r***ed by Joker? That’s messed up
The Comics of Arkham Series was killing people over and Over again
"World's greatest detective" couldn't find Jason for almost 2 years. 2 years of torture from the Joker because your father figure failed at the one thing he's great at would instill a rage that would make young Kratos tremble.
Bro do not stop. This channel is bout to blow up you’ll be at 1K subscribers by end of year
Edit: well damn bro you at 4.8K 2 weeks later lol
All the motivation I need 🙏🏽thank u bro
@@WadeWalker22congrats on dubbleing your goal
he’s on basically 5k, bro post more
@sa.mi24s I got a video tomorrow bro😂my other video got blocked by dc
@@WadeWalker22bro i’m currently rewatching this video here after i rewatched the damian video, i fw em heavvvvyyyyy
yesss finally someone funny explain things good and understand jason PLEASE keep up
I will 🙏🏽
I just realized in the movie when joker was beatin his ass, he was barefoot so that means he stole his fucking shoes
In Aangs case, for the fire nation leader who brainwashed hos people on the precepts of strength, and is known for being all powerful, being beaten by an 11 year old and having his bending taken away is a fate worse than death. His reputation is completly ruined. Taking away bending in general is probably worse than death for most, but especially for him.
Batman: You cannot solve every problem with a gun
Red Hood: I know. That's why I brought two guns instead.
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Jason doesn't break, he bleeds and takes hits but he just comes back angry
Nah your vids to funny im lowkey about to binge watch hope you reach 10k soon 👍🏾🙏
Lowkey wanna be under the radar small channels be hitting diff🙏🏽😂
They should make a Jason Todd movie at some point
1:46 Not the Revenge of the Sith Anakin scream
Playing that game the scream always had my crying 😂😂😂😂
This is why anti heros popularity are rising . We tired of heroes saying no
The 90's was the Anti-hero era. As a preteen the Punisher was my favorite comic book character. Now they're giving us a villians perspective. It's definitely working with The Penguin. I want him to fall of course but it's refreshing to get a layered villian.
No judgement criticism hate to you but respectfully who’s we, me personally I don’t have a problem with it
You mean Nintendo Wii?? Tf you talking about
@@somethingthatisntcringe757lmao, I didn’t everyone . But a lot people now like anti hero’s lmao. It’s just facts
@@Zexrow23that’s you though. I don’t understand this comment. A lot people complain and make videos about it. I can name at least 10 videos already today that seen people complaining about heros saying no. Just bc you are okay with it doesn’t me everyone else is ibr.
Fun fact: Jason did this in a SINGLE NIGHT.
Let that sink in.
I really hate the “No kill” trope, like why? Seriously more people are going to be inadvertently killed by sparing monsters. And I hate preachy they always are about it
There are literally multiple stories showing what will happen if they kill and nothing gets better
@@rettin8486 exactly my point on hating how preachy it is, the writers making up bs stories on how Batman finally put down the joker “BUT OH NO, NOW HE CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HITLER AND JAYWALKERS” like you mean to tell me that Batman! The man who trained his body and soul, has resisted fear toxin multiple times and isn’t swayed by poison ivy. You mean to tell me he doesn’t have the mental capacity to put down a rabid dog without turning into a mass murdering machine? The writers are basically going “I’m right, you’re wrong, end of story”
@@rettin8486 which makes no sense, if we started leaving serial killers walk around free you know for sure how it's gonna end, the whole nothing changes thing is just the writers milking up the franchises
@@jacque.Line.09 but it’s fiction and fictional characters will have fictional moral codes so who cares
@@rettin8486 i know it's fiction 💀you must be a fun conversationalist
just discovered your channel man, you deserve so much more subs W vid
Same here
This is why Jason Todd is one of the best characters in dc comics
0:54, The main problem with lethal heroes or anti-heroes like Red Hood is that either they only kill goons or their villains just come back from the dead, just like heroes often end up coming back if their villains kill them.
It literally does not matter if a character is merciful because their compassionate or a coward or they want their villains punished by the people, nor does it matter if a character kills because they're defending people or because their indulging themselves by punishing others. Nothing they do really changes anything for long.
Red Hood is a prime example of this because he constantly flip flops between killing and not killing, anti-hero and straight up villain, and in all that change, he never does anything that lasts.
Even in this game, he ends up killing not Penguin or Two-Face or even Harley....you know...the girlfriend of the man who used him as a piñata and then shot him....but Black Mask, who at this point is a has-been gangster that hasn't be relevant in the city in decades.
It's comics, plain and simple. Punisher is the exception, but even he has an arch-enemy who came back from the death at least 3 times.
@@alexferrana3979 , Punisher's an exception only to a certain extent, since still nothing changes because of his actions, only difference is, he doesn't really care about change. He's not some champion of the oppressed or defender of the innocent, he's a soldier that never adjusted to civilian life and the death of his family at the hands of gangsters gave him a renewed sense of purpose he couldn't find with that family, an enemy that would always need a soldier like him to fight it.
In a way, characters like Punisher kind of strip away any illusions of a better, "easier", "purer" form of justice that some people think anti-heroes embody, because characters like these care less about saving or protecting anyone, not as much as...well punishing people, and not always for good reasons.
Ghost Rider is very similar in that way, to the point where some stories focus on the danger of a being that targets abstract concepts like "sin" and "evil" deciding anyone with even a hint of negativity to them, the smallest of flaws and indiscretions, is a target.
But that's part of what makes anti-heroes interesting, how they twist what is acceptable for a hero, much less a good person, to be and do, and how "right" they are to do what they do within the context of their narratives.
@@callmev3531
THIS! This Is EXACTLY THE POINT! ANTI-HEROES DO NOT HELP SOCIETY!
THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT PERSONAL AGENDAS!
14:24 "makes me have to go on youtube to figure out all these goddamn riddles"
*shows the easiest riddle ever*
A lot of crimes would have been solved if batman just ended these villans to begin with
It only makes Batman more hunted by the police.
If only Gotham had Capital Punishment, Batman's bullshit wouldn't be so bad...and as much as I don't like Nolan's movies, the: "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you" part makes much more sense, than playing a rescue dog for villains
Man I love Jason's story, although i like hero's not killing, even if it's irrational when the villain is a mass murder
5:18 he has undertale installed on that iron man ahh suit
Never seen your vids before, this, is perfect bro, got a new sub, keep up the great vids boss
Got u my boy 💪🏽❤️
Yoo thank you. I been saying this shi about characters like bm for so long😭💀
They need more good anti hero’s the stories WAYYYY more interesting imo
@@WadeWalker22 Fax💯
the only thing that made jason lose was plot armor, bro meant business
Fr, gordon being sad about joker was WILD. One of the most haunting non horror scenes that ive ever beared witness too was that joker face during the barbara incident. That shit was genuinly scary the first time i saw it. And gordon was sitting on the couch, he saw that face, and he still felt bad? Hell naw, i would have been telling jason to run, ill cover for you with batman
They are called anti heroes for a reason.
A true real hero is always trying to save , even their enemy. They do not kill. That is not up to them whether they deserve to live or die.
Its probably THE most controversial spiritual dilemma a person can go through.
And why antgaonizing a hero to always go to the edge is so interesting.
Once they kill they truly are no better than the villians they try to stop.
Now its a battle within oneself.
I agree with your point precisely. My step dad murdered my mom and stole over a million dollars from me. Solution not answer tho. Because it’s a question not a problem.
Rip to your mom man, she’s in a better place
Sorry for ur loss 🙏🏽❤️rest her soul
@@WadeWalker22 thank you but I’d rather avenge it. Then she can rest I bet. The evidence pointed to a pillow. He suffocated her dragged her to the floor acted like he was doing CPR on her until the ambulance or whatever paramedic showed up and then she wasn’t actually dead so they had her at the hospital and he was in a super rush to take her off life support because he knew she woke up that he was fucked and I had a medical power of attorney and he freaking kept me from getting down there to Vegas where they were at
@@Zexrow23 my mom and I won’t work for you at the government. I don’t know if that’s the case. When I say the US government I mean, in some capacity was kind of evil. I’m pretty sure my mom is a ghost. I see her once in a while in like window reflections and stuff. She doesn’t look real happy that’s for sure.
Jason is more of the definition of a crash out.
Jason is the only Robin that gave Bruce a run for his money. Nightwing, Tim and Damien never took Batman head on
Damien has fought Bruce.
Ofc that gasoline truck right there
"no diddy" 😂😂
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Small correction; The Arkham verse had its own comic line, and in said comic line Jason was not in fact killed; instead being saved by Deathstroke under the promise that he would pay him a LOT of cash, which he did out of Bruce Wayne's pockets. He then went on to become the Arkham Knight and Yada Yada Yada.
Aang was raised with those ideals, it’s one the last things of his people he still has, but even then Aang spared Ozai with no expectations of his redemption, it’s not even a thought, no what he did to Ozai was worse than death, he stripped him of power, stripped him of strength, stripped him of everything he had ever valued in his life and left him a disgrace in his own veiw to himself and to his people and a life of imprisonment and broken soulless torment of having no power over NO ONE, Ozai valued his control and strength, and he’ll spend the rest of his life rotting away only WISHING he could just have a taste of it one day, only for reality of his situation to crush him, any time he hopes to dream
Well Batman _is_ crazy, I’m sure clinically. Man does the same thing with the same people who try to kill and hurt him everyday, with no rest. Dude literally has backup plans against EVERYONE! Even people he should trust. He does extremely dangerous stunts all the time with no care for the damage done to his body. He doesn’t even see himself as Bruce, when holding the lasso of truth, he literally said “I’m bat man” when the others said their names. He truly believes that his real self is the Batman and Bruce Wayne is only a mask. He stops at nothing even if he full well knows that it means it’s going to repeat the damn cycle again. He is simply just a different kind of crazy, one who does just enough legal stuff for the police not to interfere.
Whenever I hear someone be like superhero’s are lame as hell cuz they don’t kill the bad guys I think about the flash episodes from the justice league show where two of his villains were showed human decency and kindness instead of just being treated like bad guys and I’m like they wouldn’t deserve death ( prison yea) but not death
Arkham Red Hood is my fav Red Hood
Nah. Thats the punisher. Frank castle doesn't mess around.
this is why i always say if powers were real most people would be villains or anti heroes
wow this was awesome hit the like
Thanks man 💯
Tbf Aang did take Ozai’s bending away and locked him up in a dark cell forever. Imagine being completely powerless and having to spend the rest of your days in a dark ass room. That’s a fate worse than death.
All can be saved. Some don't deserve it.
At 1:46, awesome Anakin star wars episode 3 death cry lmao 😂
Thanks 😂they did anakin dirty in that game voice wise
Facts 💯 Jason Todd is the only one on the Batfamily besides Damian that is willing to kill and get the job done.
Only those two? Alfred doubletap Pennyworth wants a word.
Bro left the Lazarus pit with the black air forces on
Dang, I honestly have always loved anti-heroes more than heroes and villains combined. Like - frfr, Deadpool will always be my Top 1 on Marvels. Now Jason Todd will always be my Top 1 in DC.
Nah bro this guy is crazy, he is literally just a better version of Batman he gets the job done unlike him!!!!!!!! 🤯🤯🥶🥶
Now the Red Hood kills all of the Gotham Gangster villains
Jason in Arkham Knight wasn’t revived by the lazarus pit. His death was faked, and he eventually broke out of Arkham, working with Slade.
I usually agree with the killing the villans and more when they do very fucked up shit. But Aang has a pass, because he fucked Ozai mentally. Keep in mind Ozai is a "Might makes right" to the extreme mentality. Aang ripped his bending out of him, and destroyed his army and trust of his people on him (for the most part). Ozai never says it directly but if Zuko, Azula or any kid of his would have bor without bending (aka did not developed it because a baby does not show it) he would have tossed it to the street head first. So being turned into a non-bender is worse than death for him. Aang destroyed him with his own life filosofy and throw his ass in jail for life.
Not only did Jason get revived and IMMEDIATELY beeline it to work with one of batmans ops, he picked the meanest one too. When it comes to killing batman, there's a whole lost of villians that have much better attempts than Scarecrow, but when it comes to BREAKING the batman, that's comes down to either joker or scarecrow
Arkham Todd is the weakest version for me personally. The joker is dead already and criminals (probably regular people also) rumour that batman was involved so his motivation to highlight bruce's weakness by letting him live is null. Like he says in the red hood "I forgive you for not saving me. But why, why on gods earth is he still alive?". Also when Todd snaps he's still a vigilante whilst in arkham he's a terrorist who aides other terrorists and helped kill innocents and nearly destroyed the city he thinks hes superior in defending. While i do think his kidnapping and torture is probably the most messed up version, him being trapped in arkham for years and then escaping during arkham asylum 2009 just doesn't make sense to me.
Arkham Knight was such a let down I immediately knew it was Jason when he first started talking to Batman in that game lol coulda been cool it being a completely different new character like they said it was.
You real for that ROTS scream 😂
Glade u peeped 😂😂🙏🏽
Dude when i saw the title i was thinking of todd howard for some reason 😂
Fun fact, Superman stopped Bruce from killing Joker after Jason died
14:17 Those Riddler Trophies are a nightmare alone
Especially knight without guides I woulda quit the game 🤦🏽♂️
I don’t even bother with the trophies. Even if it’s an easy grab.
I want to expand on some answer I saw in the comments below. In the comics, Jason died after he was sold to the Joker by his birth mother Sheila Haywood. Jay and Bruce had been searching for a while, that why they were in Ethiopia, she worked there. After a couple of hours of torture, Jay still got up and tried to save her(she was betrayed and tied by the Joker as well). Jason died immediately in the explosion, but Sheila was able to talk to Batman a bit and told him he died a hero, before dying as well(btw Batman still doesn't now the exact dynamics of Jason capture to this day)Jason was really dead, until Superboy Prime (who is actually a fan from our reality) during a battle with other heroes, started "punching reality", which means retconing everything he didn't like, including Jason Todd death (the event was actually a pool in real life to decide if kill him or not, and it was rigged). Jason woke up still inside the coffin and had to crawl his way out. He was in a semicomatose state until he was found by Talia al Ghul, who actually wanted to rehabilitate him as a gift for Batman. The Lazarus pit was the last resource since he still didn't respond and Ra's al ghul was gonna kill him. After he woke up, he stayed and trained with Talia and grew towards hate when he saw Bruce already "replaced" him. After that everything is the same as the Under the Red Hood film. Right now in the comics I would say that Jason calmed down and they are in some kinda family relationship again.
Batman: Under the Red Hood was awesome. It's sequel was dog s***.
*Batman: Under the red Hood*
Batman: but if I do that, if I allow myself to go down into that place I'll never come back
Jason: Why?
I mean the Police use lethal force all the time, but you don't hearthem saying: "I'll never come back"
Yooooooooooo. You are brutal! I love it.
Brooo I did not know about that 3rd option of the movie. I'd heard about the one where Bruce dies but DANG. Jason so cold wit it man. When I first played his dlc in arkham knight I was hyped the entire time just like "damn this mf cold with it" so HEAT
arkham knight was perfection in everyway
0:56 True but not all.
Black Mask got it the worst 😂 14:49
Keep making videos bro 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
I will bro thank u 💯
Best superhero guy and your commentary is 1000 makes it better no glaze.
"Whoever your favorite hero is, no matter how many people they save. They ultimately fail when it matters the most, they dont kill"
Meanwhile moon knight: and you go down the stairs! And you go down the stairs! And you go-
Red hood is the straight terminator.
batman seems like the kind of person who struggles with simple tasks in front of redhood
His toes throwing gang signs 😂😂
Yeah dude that's because that's how they writ his character so he doesn't want to kill cuz he was raised by monks monks don't kill. It's not dumb writing it's that's his character and he doesn't want to do something. That's morally wrong so he does it entirely different
Bro asked if he didn't just see his whole team get packed
Bro he stealthed the whole crew no shit he didn't see nun lmao
idk man, might be my new favorite youtuber.
Growing up is going from being a Batman fan to a red hood fan
Every time a mf like Jason is cooking, the writers realize "wait a minute Batman makes the most money" and plot bs Jason out of actually fixing Gotham
Batman always been the ultimate enabling fraud, both for his villains and the corrupt systems that created them. He’s no hero as far as I’m concerned.
What is the game called exactly? and what's the exact title of the animated film? thanks! 🔥
1:56 joker fast asf boy!!! You see him pull that shit out the ether!? 😂
Jason had every reason to burn the world