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Dressing up as The Joker in this universe is like dressing up as Ted Bundy when he was still at large. Even as a halloween costume it's the ultimate red flag
I think the thing that gets me about James is that he looks ‘normal’. Every other Batman villain has an outrageous appearance or aspect of their personality but James shows you that the most normal looking person can be one of the most apathetic and unhinged of them all
@@philliprosewood7049 Youve missed the point with Jr. He wasn't one bad day, he was rotten to his core. He looks like you, but on the inside, he couldn't BE any more different.
@banquetoftheleviathan1404im pretty sure the point was that he isn't flashy, he looks like anyone else in society, a "looks can be deceiving" type thing
So long as they didn't ACTUALLY make him a rendition of Joker - as we've already got plenty of those and it seems a lot of the appeal of this character is his relative grounded-ness and facade of normality - that would be great.
very possible he couldve just made it himself. Kids don't tend to have money and it doesn't look like either gordan or his wife took him shopping else they would've known about the joker costume as they would've had to pay for it.
knowing the Joker he probably made and sell the costumes himself just for shit and jiggles (he probably hide inside some bomb that blow up at a random times)
It’s crazy that the most disturbing villain in Batmans history is just a normal guy, he’s more terrifying then the Joker or The Scarecrow it’s crazy how well he was written
@@Notthebloodgod812 I think the reason comes down to theatrics, the joker wants to have some fun while he kills you and scarecrow wants to break your mind, but Gorden just wants to hurt you, for as long as possible, and sometimes the people around you too, there's no theatrics just brutality and hopelessness.
The flashbacks showing Gordon Jr. emotionless as a baby and horribly murdering a bird as a toddler were honestly disturbing as f*ck. It's a pretty haunting and realistic foreshadowing about future serial killers
Just a thought, do you really know if killing animals as a child is a 100% sign of sociopathy? I'm partially convinced that it's a partial truth the internet turned into midwit fact. Calling it realistic because we have it in our heads that that's what would have happened feels about as likely.
@@Lanesra62905depends on the person People with extreme psychopathy can act in a pretty stereotypical psychopath way And killing animals is something many do
@@YourLocalEldritchHorrorI think they moreso mean that stigmatising mental illness like that is kind of harmful to real people with mental illnesses. James is presented as evil because of his illness (or atleast that's how it comes off in the video, tbf I havent read the comic). In real life the mentally ill are more likely to be victims of abuse than be evil supergenius murder monsters, even the ones who do have violent tendencies aren't giving in becuase they're weak or evil, they're sick abd they need help.
When he ripped the knife out I literally audibly gasped. No one does that. No one sets up a massive plot to torture someone and just throws it away to be psychotic
I like how the iconic villains aren't superpowered, they are just really intelligent psychopaths and sociopaths who will fck you up mentally and give you a mental scar that will haunt you your whole life.
@@OND30 I have literally 0 idea about Star Wars and I used to watch Dragon Ball when I was a kid, but didn't continue later on, so can't comment on these characters.
@OND30 Darth Vader? One of the most powerful force wielders to ever exist who would go on entire genocides or torture his own men to the point of insanity for just the slightest of transgressions. Cylo, the man who created Vaders suit had cloned himself multiple times, since Vader detested the man he tortured each of his clones to death before driving all of them into a sun, which I doubt would feel good. He also tortured Leia, his own daughter. Darth Vader was responsible for countless genocides the only good thing he ever did was maim his son instead of kill him as well as kill the emporer but it can be argued that Vader had wanted to kill Palpatine ever since he was a cyborg but just didn't have the excuse. So if someone who does all of that isn't considered a psychopath I don't know what is. And Friezas also a grey and purple space Hitler. Sure they don't do the whole Joker speech, "We all get a little crazy sonetimes." But that doesn't mean they aren't psychopaths, to do all the things they did they 100% lacked all empathy.
Jim Gordon really thought a good method for disciplining his son was to leave him next to The Joker for a night 🤦♂️. What was his first idea, threaten to shoot him with a loaded gun?
Nothing wrong with that though. People DO name their kids after them in real life. So why not have Jim name his son after him? And his daughter after his wife?
Considering Gordon Jr's pivotal role in "Batman: Year One", I wonder what Frank Miller said while watching how they turned the baby Batman and Gordon had to save at the end of that iconic story into a literal sociopath
Never heard of him before but he's definitely a contender for Batmans most terrifying villain James Gordon Jr seems like the inverse of the Joker, where Joker does what he does with manic energy because he loves doing it Gordon Jr is completely empty. There's nothing to him and nothing behind his eyes, no light, no life, less a madman and more an evil void in the form of a human being
Exactly The Joker does it because he thinks it's fun James Gordon JR. does it because he sees no reason not to He has no reason for what he does he does it simply because he can Normally no motives are boring and flat but for James Gordon JR. it's what makes him so terrifying he has no motive for what he does no tragic backstory no revenge plot he just does what he does to make people suffer and he doesn't even enjoy it It's like it's a science experiment to him the people he hurts the people he kills are like test subjects to him
@@spookydonutghosthouseI think James Gordon Jr do have reasons to kill people, but the terrifying part is how small that slight can be. He was teased about his glasses and killed a teenager over it. He almost killed his sister because he saw Batman smile once on TV. Imagine you telling a joke to your coworker, and you thought he took it well, until hours later he makes you a cold case.
The main thing that hit me about James Jr.'s story is that he was given a drug that at least somewhat gave him empathy. He felt some pull towards it, perhaps to make his father happy or some other reason, maybe just curiosity. He had that chance to make better of himself, maybe even live a semblance of a normal life. He made the active and conscious decision to throw away having a semi-adjusted life because the empathy disgusted him. Let that really sink in how utterly depraved that is.
Did you know that the world is full of clinically diagnosed sociopaths and psychopaths who lead, productive, ethical lives without ever straying beyond the bounds of the law? I doubt they'd take the drug. Hell, there are people born deaf and even blind, who, having never known another way to be, say they'd refuse a miracle treatment if one ever arises. And you know what? I get it. I mean, imagine having an intrinsic aspect of yourself declared a disease by other people -- people who aren't like you, who can't know what it's like to be you, and don't care to understand your perspective. They just want you to stop being the terribly inconvenient person you were born to be, and start being someone else. Someone more like them. Now, I'm not a psychopath -- quite the contrary -- but it seems to me that *any* person, regardless of unusual neurochemistry, would not take very well to the sense of universal disapproval and ostracism that people operating under the weight of these diagnoses tend to face. Imagine learning to live within society, functionally overcoming a neurological aberration through effort and determination, all the while growing increasingly more aware that, in the eyes of most others, it's *you* who is the aberration. And what can be done to sway them? The system-wide groupthink is just too entrenched to overcome, especially without making one's own diagnosis known. Think about it: our society has so normalized this perception that the word "psychopath" is virtually synonymous with "grotesquely violent criminal", in the common understanding. It kind of makes me wonder: in the case of actual criminal psychopaths, *is* it the chemicals that make the difference? *Is* it the inability to project their own experience and emotion onto others? Or is it that, AND the near-constant reminders that they're an alien in human skin, and they have to conceal a part of who they are, perfectly and at all times, lest they become pariahs? I've really started to think all these mental health "issues" we've seen crop up lately are really just the predictable result of everyone acting like it's appropriate and justified to treat these people like subhumans.
It's pretty surprising the fact Gordon Jr. actually got a considerable amount of appearances outside of the comics despite being a fairly unknown character. Apart from having minor roles as a baby/toddler in the "Year One" and "Long Halloween" animated movies, he even appears in "The Dark Knight" as the boy kidnapped along with his family by Two-Face and before whom Gordon delivers his epic final speech.
I don't think Nolan was aware this would be the fate of the character when making the movie and just wanted to portray how far Harvey had fallen where he would murder a child in his twisted idea of what he considered "fair" Funny enough, had we known what we do now about James Gordon Jrs future, Two Face would be seen as a hero for taking out a potential serial killer
Nah I think Hitler at this point has become to desensitized to the public eye after nearly 80 years. I think this is more in line with his dressing up as some famous serial killer like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer WHILE they were still active or on the loose.
Batman would consistently save his gallery from their state mandated termination. Then argue about the number of killers being the same (which means you should kill two killers instead! Gotham has plenty enough to make the number plummet) or that you'll never stop killing once you stop or something. Meta reason? Money and the comics code inspiring an endless cycle that raises questions as to how Gotham still isn't depopulated with the number of murders happening every day... uh, basically the comics code has it be a part of it that the heroes must always succeed and the villains must always be punished. So instead of showing the villain be competent enough to escape they instead show that the systems they're handed over to is incompetent enough to be considered a public threat in their own right. Ultimately though? Every storyline is essentially its own independent series unless a detail from another storyline is of significance. In which solely that detail is important.
I like that he doesn't have a villain name. Just using his normal name fits the idea of him blending in. Can see him having Preacher Cain's theme song from Spawn while he's around.
@@JoshuaAndres Jr. did say that he and the Jokey apparently "got along quite well" during his time, though I don't think they were in the same cell. Pretty sure they were a few cells apart.
Honestly the scariest thing is he doesn't wear a costume. He isn't like other Batman rogue's gallery villains because he just... looks like a guy. No costume. No gimmick. Just the raw naked horror of being exposed to someone who could brutally maim you and lose no sleep over it. There's no veneer of comic book absurdity to help insulate the horror that is seeing an emotionless murderer.
Yup, Janes Gordon Jr is certainly terrifying and what makes him unique & Even more terrifying is that unlike most of Gotham’s scariest & deadliest killers, James doesn’t wear a mask like Prof. Pyg,, isn’t covered in scars like Zsaasz or has bleached skin like the Joker, he’s just an ordinary looking guy who has some insight into how the police work, because he’s the deranged son of the most moral cop in the city.
I like the outrageous appearance and styles of the batman villains. Realistic doesn't mean better sometimes its honestly ... boring. No gimmick No gags No goofyness Just Guts and Gore. Why even make it a superhero comic then?
I think that he would be a great villain for a sequel movie for Robert Pattinson's Batman. It can also serve as a buildup for a third movie with The Joker.
Would definitely love a Silence of the Lambs/Mindhunter-like situation where Batman has to consult the Joker to catch another murderous psycho. It won't just fit the tone and the detective noir approach established in the first movie, it will also establish the relationship between the Joker and Batman.
What, so Bruce can steal yet another villain from Dick? Professor Pyg, Flamingo, Deathstroke, the Court of Owls and probably more that I missed not enough?
Also, the reason he works so well in The Black Mirror is because his numb sociopathy is a direct foil to Dick's caring nature. It's why he comes after Dick specifically using Barbara, as he reveals in his final monologue: he thinks sympathy is what makes people weak and calls Dick "the weakest man in Gotham" because of that. In comparison, he doesn't have that view or motivatiob towards Bruce. He says it himself that what made him come back to Gotham is _Dick's_ Batman.
It's interesting how his upbringing wasn't traumatizing, but that he was rather neurologically affected and that was what lead to psychopathic tendencies I had a nephew (not son of a sibling, but of a cousin) and he... just wasn't right. My cousin treated him well and normally but he always did fucked up shit ever since he could walk. He smashed other people's stuff and started laughing when he saw that they were upset, was a lot happier when people were sad about it rather than angry. When he was 3, he found a stray cat and he really, really, REALLY wanted to kill that animal. Tried breaking its neck and throwing it off a balcony. I always took the cat away from him and the cat was luckily able to defend itself, but it was fucking disturbing how much he just wanted to hurt an innocent animal He also started fights with other kids for no reason and it wasn't how kids fight for fun. He tried to hurt their heads and their necks. He once tried to strangle a boy his age for no reason. He also saw a girl sitting close by a slide, he sneaked up the slide and kicked her with as much swing as he could when he went down. Poor girl went unconcsious, I helped her mother with bringing the kid to her car and pretended I didn't know the psycho that did this. He laughed so much about it. My cousin was furious with him but he just laughed My cousin gave up on this child after 4 years, gave him up to some social service, stating that she was unable to raise a boy this destructive. We never heard of him again
Very sorry that you have gone through all of that. But yeah. Neuro-chemical imbalance can be the crux of all, good and bad. It is intriguing how fragile human mind is when it is put under slight deviation from the norm - some people become geniuses and visionaries, others insane and horrid.
@@ZizixxSamurai I've heard of stories of antisocial people having managed to live a normal life without bringing pain upon others. I don't know if they are irredeemable, but treatment seems difficult if not impossible to me Actually, I found an interesting interview in this regard: ruclips.net/video/bdPMUX8_8Ms/видео.htmlfeature=shared
no joking, no riddling, no superhero serum, just a smart psycho who stabs people to death. he is by far the most realistic criminal in the gotham' villain gallery.
God this just makes me wish they bring the arkham games back, so much untapped potential left with the "Lesser known" villains that could rival the Joker
What I think is most interesting is how he works as the ideal arch villain to Dick Grayson Batman. Specifically, how each member of Batman's rogue's gallery is designed to contrast or foil with Bruce in some way. Junior contrasts Dick in many meaningful ways. Dick had his family taken away, and found new family in Bruce, the Bat-family, and even commissioner Gordon. Jr had every opportunity to live a healthy normal life with his family but instead pushed them away, antagonized them, and even made attempts on their life, choosing to burn bridges instead of creating them. He sees relationships as a weakness rather than a strength. Dick saw Batman as his surrogate father figure, which inspired and molded him to become a hero and take up his mantel. Jr could have done the same for his real father, but instead chose to idolize the Joker, leading him on a much darker path. Dick has a responsibility to make the world a better place and uphold the legacy of Batman, Jr isn't looking to make a grandiose name for himself (probably why he doesn't have a 'proper' villain name), rather he just wants to make the world a worse place for everybody and would probably prefer not getting recognition for this 'accomplishment'. The moral high ground of being opposed to killing is something deeply rooted in Batman's character, the inversion of that is someone who kills for fun or even no reason at all, both of which Jr has done. Even Jr's earliest act of violence, dismembering a small bird, can be seen as narratively symbolic of his future opposition to Grayson, the original Robin.
Barbara: "WHY DID YOU DO THIS, JAMES?! WE ALWAYS TOOK CARE AND LOVED YOU!!!" James Jr's voice on the phone: "You wouldn't understand my enigmatic mind, sister. Anyway, do you know what's the most terrifying thing here?" Barbara: "WHAT?" James Jr: "That I am behind you"
@@davantebarbain3216 he's too smart and too evil to fight fair. he would probably hold someone innocent hostage and tell her to stab herself or some fucked up shit
James Gordon Jr: Makes his mother mutilate herself, stabs his paralyzed sister and horribly murders two people for simple trifles Commissioner Gordon: "I knew it was a bad idea to buy him that Joker costume..."
Literally all it would take is red hood being like “sorry Gordon, he gotta go” like this is why the whole no kill rule is ridiculous. People like James Gordon Jr aren’t gonna change, so if you want to save lives , you take his. Idk how Batman/bat fam writers in general manage to find ways to keep these fuckers alive it’s actually insane
@@ianharrison5758 You don't even understand the no kill rule from Batman, it has nothing to do with the Black Mirror comic or with the James Jr. character. Even in the real world there are many psychopats or serial kill who never received the death sentence, it's easy to plead for someone else to kill everyone instead of questioning the law and corruption of the city.
@@Reperis_Art you’ve made no point. “Questioning corruption” how? By beating up a mass murderer, throwing them inside the same corrupt system and doing it all over again when they inevitably break out?
@@ianharrison5758 That's the point, the first thing is that the death of many of this villains shouldn't be in the hands of Batman but in the hands of the system, by the police, a judge, another criminal or whatever, Batman just follows the rules because he don't want to be above the law and having the right to kill cause it's not his work, and just in very little cases he kills. The Joker could be killed by many other characters too like Red Hood, but he went riot against the criminals not for justice but for vengeance, cause even having the free chance to kill the Joker, he only tried to kill Batman. The second is that for all his crimes, in many stories Joker has died more than once, in the real world someone as crazy as the Joker could only have a chance to survive o be free for a couple of years before he dies for his hand or for somebody else. But in the main line of comics that could never happen, not because the no kill rule is stupid because thanks to that Batman it's a real hero, but because those characters belong to a company who need them to earn money, and would only allow them to die if one day they just stop making money. Knowing that, you have to already know that these main stories will not show a progress, it's a in between story-arch that will expose two ideas fighting each other, the best and the worst and the best of any human being reflected by the hero and the antagonist, showing a hopeful ending or a bittersweet ending (just like this one). It's not fair to judge a story for something that can't show when the main focus it's completely different, there are many films, series or comics where an autor can lead to Batman and his characters to an end (Batman Beyond, TDKR, Nolan trilogy, Arkhamverse...) but the main line can't do this so they have to try new things every time, new concepts, new villains, new challenges. And even if there is never and end, there are so many good stories there to be upset with that. Tt's not like you can do anything to stop this, but at least you can try to understand it and read it.
The worst thing James says is that he’s had trouble fearing being locked away and “never seeing the light of day again” The desire to kill is gonna override the fear of prison every time.
I think he's a good villian i just think it's excessive trauma dumping on Commissioner Gordon who's had his daughter paralysed and his wife murdered. If he was the son of Harvey Bullock or something that would be fine, but Gordons gone through enough making his son a serial killer seems like overkill.
"He kills several Barbara friends, with the exception of Dick Grayson because he was always nice to him" Gordon Jr. acting like Dick wouldn't have beaten the living out of him
It says a lot about Jr when Batman and Gordon thought to themselves "Hmm what's the sickest mind I can tap into to find the sickest mind in the multiverse?" when it came to the laughing Batman.
But Jr. *helps* them, during that arc - And I honestly really like that one him. James Jr. as someone struggling with mental illness is a lot more compelling than James Jr. as a serial killer.
17:30 Blue eyes = sociopathic. I see On another note, I’d love to see if this resulted in Gotham establishing a law that children raised in 10-20 years are required to take psychological exams that determine whether or not they were poisoned.
@@Ferdi900I mean, it’s a baby. They make those pouty faces all the time. Edit: TBH this arc rubs me the wrong way in general, what with implying that _all_ these children will end up with sociopathic behaviors and thus will go on to harm others. It feels like a very dehumanizing and antagonizing way to portray people with antisocial personality disorder in general. It would be nice to see a "sequel" to this where a child (heck, maybe even the baby we see at the end) DOES show "sociopathic" behavior but is ashamed of what they do and genuinely wants to seek help without being stigmatized.
I doubt Matt reeves will use him but man I love Batman black mirror. I’d love to see a hard R Batman trilogy at some point that uses more obscure and darker villains like James Gordon Jr.
imagine him being a sort of twist in Gunns verse. Like we find out Gordon was a deadbeat and abandoned Jr. and his mom or som shit. I think it'd add a layer to Gordon that the movies have been sorely missing.
Honestly when you showed the part where Jim holds onto James at the end, I just imagined a what-if scenario where James takes the knife out of his eye and stabs Jim with it before falling into the water, successfully escaping
I legit thought that's what was going to happen too. The guy was obviously crazy enough to do it, but at that moment, I don't think he had the physical strength to do it. Too much blood loss... maybe. Even if he did do it, both of his legs were shot, literally. He wouldn't be swimming anywhere... probably.
Tbh if that did happen, I'd leave it ambiguous if he drowned or not. Once James hits the water he's never seen again. When Batman dives in, all he can find is his glasses. That way, if writers decide to bring him back it would be super easy and no plot hole to explain his return
Batman being a billionaire couldve fixed gothams poverty, crime, and mental health problems yet consistently perpetuates it because of his own traumas.
You’re absolutely right when you said what made this “person” even more scary is how realistic he was compared to our real life killers. I’m telling ya the only thing that made this guy different from our irl killers is that he didn’t wear the stereotypical Aviator Glasses and didn’t have a mustache (which is ironic since his dad James Gordon has one)! 😂😂😂
Bro, Gordon tells barbara to NOT OPEN THE DOOR and not let anyone in. But what's the VERY FIRST THING SHE DOES? She goes on and opens the fucking door to some stranger...
Did James Gordon Jr make anyone else think of the Riddlers portreyal in the Batman by Matt Reeves? He gave me really similar vibes to that version of the Riddler also the implaction that Jimmy Jr gave Joker the inspiration for what happend in the Killing Joke is just horrifying
I personally don't think so. Barbara said it herself, Gordon usually didn't have some convoluted plan like Riddler does. He would just come in while Babs is sleeping, and she would never wake up. There wouldn't be any clues. Just a dead body in a room.
Perhaps this is were they got the inspiration from? I've also heard that the idea of riddlers character was inspired by that zodiac killer guy irl to, although idk if that's true or not.
@@ElishaFollet The Batman's riddler is heavily adapted from some of the zodiac killer's stuff (the mask, the crypticmessages and the code) but James Gordon Jr. is wildly different from this riddled. Barbara in this arc he covers says it perfectly when she tells James the only reason she was scared of him was because unlike Joker, unlike Riddler, unlike any of the other Batman villains, James doesn't care about grandoise spectacles. One night Barbara will go to bed, and she'll wake up to James Jr. Strangling her and that'll be it. No speeches, just her death.
Remember when part of Clayface got infected with Joker toxin and became "Clownface"? They were pretty obviously setting JG Jr up as some kind of next iteration of the Joker, or a sort of progression of the Joker as a concept. So... Imagine if Clownface bonded with James Gordon Junior. That could be like a Joker version of Carnage and play into Junior's surpressed nature with his Clownface transformation allowing him to be his true twisted self.
I think Batman's scariest villain is himself. "The Batman Who Laughs" just straight up terrifying to a point that Batman himself needed to go off the deep-end to defeat him.
Honestly, I didn’t think anyone could get any darker than other Batman villains. What disturbs me is that unlike the rest of Batman villains or any villains in any comic universes, James Gordon Jr. is more human at least in appearance. To show that dangerous and evil people don’t need fancy costumes or cool names or deformities or popularity/reputation to look less human. Look like normal people with a normal name until they strike. I’d say James Gordon Jr. rivals that of the Joker. Their looks is separates them. When we think of the Joker doing heinous acts, we tend to think him as this evil clown; don’t think him as a person but a monster/entity/plot device for a hero to defeat. But James Gordon Jr., somehow, he reminds us that even people can be monsters; even we become monsters. I remember hearing Batman and James Gordon recruiting James Gordon Jr. in their fight against The Batman Who Laughs. So, what better chance to defeat the most insane being in all of DC multiverse than with the mind of the most insane person they know?
If Barbara had a penny for every time she got hurt after answering the door, she'd have two pennies. Which isn't much, but weird that it happened twice.
It's situations like this where one thinks that if Bruce had spent even half as much time and money on having WayneTech develop successful psychiatric diagnostics and treatments as he had on developing all those contingency plans for taking down his fellow Justice League members, there would be a LOT less situations like this.
he could also instititute a police state with all that sweet money everyone keeps bringing up...but honestly. it aint and never will be that easy even in comics and also. isn't it cannon that wayne enterprise is involved in that stuff already
@@someguyontheinternet1093In some versions of Batman, Bruce planned to do similar things like that with Harvey but after Dent's breakdown and killing spree Bruce kinda abandoned that idea as he had very few people who could help him with it.
The problem is we're trying to think of realistic solutions to cartoon characters with the plot armor of a 60 year old highly marketable franchise. Like yeah, here's the Riddler, he kills people and leaves riddles behind. Nothing else in his head just killin and riddlin. Fuck ya gonna do about him? Years of therapy can't even improve his fashion sense let alone his moral code.
@@someguyontheinternet1093 literally in this comic DIck opened a crime lab using his inheritance money after Bruce's death and return in final crisis and it was just never used. GCPD was too prideful to use it.
I know writers need cash but this would have been a good time for bats to make an acception on his no kill rule, besides they can always bring him back through what ever comic bullshit anyways so it wouldn't harm theyr profits much especially if it's an under known character like this
Why haven't the people of Gotham executed all the villains yet? So that Batman doesn't get bored or they like to die by the hundreds every time someone breaks out of Arkham.
Its crazy how i didn't even know about James Gordon jr and how little to no appearances were made in any other form of media. He is the black sheep in the family after all.
He really is a tragic character too. He showed signs of being mentally ill and all his family did was distance themselves from him and discipline him and refuse to get him professional help.
Honestly the fact that jim put james in a cell next to joker is just straight up bad parenting hes seen first hand what joker is capable off and puts his own son in the cell next to him hell he blows the place up half the time
I think James Jr. has some really damn good artists. Batman: Black Mirror is a good example, I love the bichromatic style of many of James Jr.'s panels
Ok son, if you want to be like the Joker have it your way, you're off on an all expenses paid first class trip to Arkham Asylum, where you'll get 24 hour straight of pure uninterrupted tutoring from your hero, the iconic clown prince of crime himself. Happy birthday, son.
11:05 Psychopathy has nothing to do with delusional ideas, inappropriate behavior and the desire to kill. And if you make an adult person with an established worldview a psychopath, then most likely he will not even become a criminal because of this. Either the author of the comic or the author of the video should read about what psychopathy is on Wikipedia or any medical Internet site.
James gordon jr is the kind of villain where they are best off dead then alive and since we have pyschopaths in real life in a way what do you do lets say he is now powerless unable to do defend or attack he makes you think and you have like a choice 1 you would kill him thus with him gone it would provide a sense of comfort knowing he´s never coming back or 2 you bring him to the asylum like every other villian waiting to do these horrible acts all over again but also he has an army that are just like him in a decade not to mention creating more horror that even make the joker of people to back off
All the reasons you mentioned can be attributed to any of batman's villains. The reason i think he is so terrifying is because he is a family killer. When we see one in other media they target a family we do not really know. However James targets the Gordon's, a family that we are intimately familiar with. making this bone chillingly close to home.
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Let a man get his bag and we get more of his videos forever smh@@burgerkingfries4941
How much they paying you
@@gabbagooba298supposedly alot
Hey don’t mean to bother can you do a short on why taskmaster is scared of moon knight
Sorry it just funny and plus moon knight is insane who wouldn’t be scared of him 😂😂😂😂
Dressing up as The Joker in this universe is like dressing up as Ted Bundy when he was still at large. Even as a halloween costume it's the ultimate red flag
Funny. Junior kind of looks like Ted Bundy.
Edit: Shit. I was thinking about Jeffrey Dahmer. Sorry.
@@garrettsattem4799 Both Dahmer or Bundy, if your kid dressed up as him when he wasn't caught yet, or had just escaped... you know it is bad news.
Or all the weird girls today who are obsessed with and in love with the Columbine killers or Richard Ramirez.
Dressing up as them at all, even after they got caught, is completely messed up and those kids should be taken from their parents
@@123cornerstone321no, they are not, snowflake
I think the thing that gets me about James is that he looks ‘normal’. Every other Batman villain has an outrageous appearance or aspect of their personality but James shows you that the most normal looking person can be one of the most apathetic and unhinged of them all
@@philliprosewood7049 Youve missed the point with Jr. He wasn't one bad day, he was rotten to his core. He looks like you, but on the inside, he couldn't BE any more different.
James Gordon jr looks like a regular dude? bro this mans glasses shine like an anime villain.
@@Gamfluent Ugh… yes, good job. You’re so smart, just like OP…
@banquetoftheleviathan1404im pretty sure the point was that he isn't flashy, he looks like anyone else in society, a "looks can be deceiving" type thing
James Gordon Jr. looks neat when he kills. Lol
honestly the idea of him being nightwing's joker is a pretty neat idea I hope they do more with it
Yeah i been really intrigued with it it would be perfect to see a live action take on it especially if nightwing gets a project in the new dcu
DC? Doing something with Nightwing? Hahahaha... you serious?
That would be a dope idea. Wish they would do more with Nightwing
So long as they didn't ACTUALLY make him a rendition of Joker - as we've already got plenty of those and it seems a lot of the appeal of this character is his relative grounded-ness and facade of normality - that would be great.
@@TheCrimsonElite666 Could happen. Remember, James Gunn likes to work with more obscure characters
I just want to know who in their right mind was tasteless enough to sell joker halloween costumes in gotham
very possible he couldve just made it himself. Kids don't tend to have money and it doesn't look like either gordan or his wife took him shopping else they would've known about the joker costume as they would've had to pay for it.
@@packun_jonk3276exactly
Considering it's Gotham, I somehow don't find that to be too unrealistic
knowing the Joker he probably made and sell the costumes himself just for shit and jiggles (he probably hide inside some bomb that blow up at a random times)
Jews
In retrospect, Paul Dano is a great Riddler, but i feel like he would have been an EXCELLENT James Gordon Jr.
You’re so right… but I guess he’s too unknown for that, and also it is pretty brutal
Well if they kept James Gordon white, then that would've been possible.
@@abbatoir397 ❄
@@illitero 🥚🍆🥚
@@abbatoir397character changes can happen. Nick fury was always white you know
I think this character shows that the most disturbing villians aren’t too far off from reality
thats why i like pyg and deacon blackfire so much. thank you Arkham knight for introducing me to them lol
@@Antwannnn😅
something as stupid as this would quite literally never happen in real life
It’s crazy that the most disturbing villain in Batmans history is just a normal guy, he’s more terrifying then the Joker or The Scarecrow it’s crazy how well he was written
@@Notthebloodgod812 I think the reason comes down to theatrics, the joker wants to have some fun while he kills you and scarecrow wants to break your mind, but Gorden just wants to hurt you, for as long as possible, and sometimes the people around you too, there's no theatrics just brutality and hopelessness.
The flashbacks showing Gordon Jr. emotionless as a baby and horribly murdering a bird as a toddler were honestly disturbing as f*ck. It's a pretty haunting and realistic foreshadowing about future serial killers
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Just a thought, do you really know if killing animals as a child is a 100% sign of sociopathy? I'm partially convinced that it's a partial truth the internet turned into midwit fact. Calling it realistic because we have it in our heads that that's what would have happened feels about as likely.
It's not really realistic. That's just a stereotype
@@Lanesra62905depends on the person
People with extreme psychopathy can act in a pretty stereotypical psychopath way
And killing animals is something many do
@@YourLocalEldritchHorrorI think they moreso mean that stigmatising mental illness like that is kind of harmful to real people with mental illnesses.
James is presented as evil because of his illness (or atleast that's how it comes off in the video, tbf I havent read the comic).
In real life the mentally ill are more likely to be victims of abuse than be evil supergenius murder monsters, even the ones who do have violent tendencies aren't giving in becuase they're weak or evil, they're sick abd they need help.
When he ripped the knife out I literally audibly gasped. No one does that. No one sets up a massive plot to torture someone and just throws it away to be psychotic
I guess he hates being like the others
The **wastefulness** of it is what gets me. He sets up something that horrific and just...changes his mind?
But a true Psychopath would.
You’ve never met a psycho then 🤦♂️
@@batznochargeand you have?
I like how the iconic villains aren't superpowered, they are just really intelligent psychopaths and sociopaths who will fck you up mentally and give you a mental scar that will haunt you your whole life.
It's one of the reasons Batman is a vital member of the Justice League. The man has seen the definition of insanity.
What about Dark vador and Frieza?
@@OND30 I have literally 0 idea about Star Wars and I used to watch Dragon Ball when I was a kid, but didn't continue later on, so can't comment on these characters.
@OND30 Darth Vader? One of the most powerful force wielders to ever exist who would go on entire genocides or torture his own men to the point of insanity for just the slightest of transgressions.
Cylo, the man who created Vaders suit had cloned himself multiple times, since Vader detested the man he tortured each of his clones to death before driving all of them into a sun, which I doubt would feel good.
He also tortured Leia, his own daughter. Darth Vader was responsible for countless genocides the only good thing he ever did was maim his son instead of kill him as well as kill the emporer but it can be argued that Vader had wanted to kill Palpatine ever since he was a cyborg but just didn't have the excuse.
So if someone who does all of that isn't considered a psychopath I don't know what is.
And Friezas also a grey and purple space Hitler.
Sure they don't do the whole Joker speech, "We all get a little crazy sonetimes." But that doesn't mean they aren't psychopaths, to do all the things they did they 100% lacked all empathy.
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Jim Gordon really thought a good method for disciplining his son was to leave him next to The Joker for a night 🤦♂️. What was his first idea, threaten to shoot him with a loaded gun?
I mean, he sent his own son to Chicago...
@@nickolasriemer2788"Take him to Detroit."
@@drpibisback7680 "I hereby sentence you to live the rest of your life in Detroit"
"NOOOOOOOO"
Jim be doing "Beyond Scared Straight 9000"
@@CalvinNoireprefiero eso a gotham
The fact that theres two James and two Barbaras in this story is driving me nuts lmao
Commissioner Gordon is HORRIBLY bad at naming his kids, seriously.
I was really confused when I first learned that Gordon's wife's name is Barbara. I was like "isn't that his daughters name"?
@@juannaym8488that can have really bad implications. Like seriously, Gordon. 😭
Nothing wrong with that though. People DO name their kids after them in real life. So why not have Jim name his son after him? And his daughter after his wife?
It's weird bro, why the first names?! It sounds like 2 pairs of a married couple
Considering Gordon Jr's pivotal role in "Batman: Year One", I wonder what Frank Miller said while watching how they turned the baby Batman and Gordon had to save at the end of that iconic story into a literal sociopath
And when you see him as a baby again in the long Halloween 💀 or was that Barbara?
@@comic-_-fanboy5414I am not sure if you're talking about the movie or the comic
That would be really ironic
Ironically the Batman who fights Gordan is Dick Grayson, the one who Frank Miller hates and turned into the Joker in his story.
@@the-quiverobviously the comic
Never heard of him before but he's definitely a contender for Batmans most terrifying villain
James Gordon Jr seems like the inverse of the Joker, where Joker does what he does with manic energy because he loves doing it Gordon Jr is completely empty. There's nothing to him and nothing behind his eyes, no light, no life, less a madman and more an evil void in the form of a human being
Exactly
The Joker does it because he thinks it's fun
James Gordon JR. does it because he sees no reason not to
He has no reason for what he does he does it simply because he can
Normally no motives are boring and flat but for James Gordon JR. it's what makes him so terrifying he has no motive for what he does no tragic backstory no revenge plot he just does what he does to make people suffer and he doesn't even enjoy it
It's like it's a science experiment to him the people he hurts the people he kills are like test subjects to him
@@spookydonutghosthouseI think James Gordon Jr do have reasons to kill people, but the terrifying part is how small that slight can be. He was teased about his glasses and killed a teenager over it. He almost killed his sister because he saw Batman smile once on TV. Imagine you telling a joke to your coworker, and you thought he took it well, until hours later he makes you a cold case.
Him and owlman meeting would be freaking scary
“He was evil in the shape of a man. A blank, pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes…the devils eyes.”
-Dr Loomis, Halloween
The main thing that hit me about James Jr.'s story is that he was given a drug that at least somewhat gave him empathy. He felt some pull towards it, perhaps to make his father happy or some other reason, maybe just curiosity. He had that chance to make better of himself, maybe even live a semblance of a normal life.
He made the active and conscious decision to throw away having a semi-adjusted life because the empathy disgusted him. Let that really sink in how utterly depraved that is.
This comment is more psychotic than the character
This is a completely normal comment. @@neo-filthyfrank1347
Did you know that the world is full of clinically diagnosed sociopaths and psychopaths who lead, productive, ethical lives without ever straying beyond the bounds of the law? I doubt they'd take the drug. Hell, there are people born deaf and even blind, who, having never known another way to be, say they'd refuse a miracle treatment if one ever arises. And you know what? I get it. I mean, imagine having an intrinsic aspect of yourself declared a disease by other people -- people who aren't like you, who can't know what it's like to be you, and don't care to understand your perspective. They just want you to stop being the terribly inconvenient person you were born to be, and start being someone else. Someone more like them.
Now, I'm not a psychopath -- quite the contrary -- but it seems to me that *any* person, regardless of unusual neurochemistry, would not take very well to the sense of universal disapproval and ostracism that people operating under the weight of these diagnoses tend to face. Imagine learning to live within society, functionally overcoming a neurological aberration through effort and determination, all the while growing increasingly more aware that, in the eyes of most others, it's *you* who is the aberration. And what can be done to sway them? The system-wide groupthink is just too entrenched to overcome, especially without making one's own diagnosis known. Think about it: our society has so normalized this perception that the word "psychopath" is virtually synonymous with "grotesquely violent criminal", in the common understanding.
It kind of makes me wonder: in the case of actual criminal psychopaths, *is* it the chemicals that make the difference? *Is* it the inability to project their own experience and emotion onto others? Or is it that, AND the near-constant reminders that they're an alien in human skin, and they have to conceal a part of who they are, perfectly and at all times, lest they become pariahs? I've really started to think all these mental health "issues" we've seen crop up lately are really just the predictable result of everyone acting like it's appropriate and justified to treat these people like subhumans.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347no, no it’s not, weirdo
@@neo-filthyfrank1347he explained the character
It's pretty surprising the fact Gordon Jr. actually got a considerable amount of appearances outside of the comics despite being a fairly unknown character. Apart from having minor roles as a baby/toddler in the "Year One" and "Long Halloween" animated movies, he even appears in "The Dark Knight" as the boy kidnapped along with his family by Two-Face and before whom Gordon delivers his epic final speech.
I don't think Nolan was aware this would be the fate of the character when making the movie and just wanted to portray how far Harvey had fallen where he would murder a child in his twisted idea of what he considered "fair"
Funny enough, had we known what we do now about James Gordon Jrs future, Two Face would be seen as a hero for taking out a potential serial killer
Was that the boy who went on to play Joffrey in Game of Thrones? Fucking hell.
Also he's a part of New 52's Suicide Squad comics, so it's not like his story ended on cameos
@@ParkerDavisNo that was the kid in Batman Begins
Fun Fact: this is the first in continuity batman comic I read as a kid, how I didnt have nightmares is beyond me 😅
Because it isn't scary?
Because you are a sociopath.
@@gaminganimators7000for a kid it is
@@gaminganimators7000You just get disturbed a bit.
Fun fact: I had to vacuum the carpet every night before bed./s
i honestly feel so, so bad for Gordon, can't imagine the pain he must feel knowing his own offspring is a complete irredeemable monster.
At least one of his kids grew into a good person
Makes me think of that ted talk by one of the columbine shooters mother.
@@chestnut4860I mean, that was pretty different. Dylan could easily have been helped and redeemed, but he never got the support he would have needed.
At least Barbara is a good person
4:18 Man, dressing up as the Joker in Gotham must be like dressing up as Hitler in Germany.
Nah I think Hitler at this point has become to desensitized to the public eye after nearly 80 years. I think this is more in line with his dressing up as some famous serial killer like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer WHILE they were still active or on the loose.
More like dressing up as Hitler in Israel
Israel*
@@franciscohcoronado4947it will definitely get you into big trouble in Germany
Imagine how the Joker must've felt about one of his enemies' kids looking up to him
Probably quite exited
Gotham seriously needs the death penalty. Like WTF are they thinking not having it already?
Simple, comic book writers need money,
Batman would consistently save his gallery from their state mandated termination. Then argue about the number of killers being the same (which means you should kill two killers instead! Gotham has plenty enough to make the number plummet) or that you'll never stop killing once you stop or something.
Meta reason? Money and the comics code inspiring an endless cycle that raises questions as to how Gotham still isn't depopulated with the number of murders happening every day... uh, basically the comics code has it be a part of it that the heroes must always succeed and the villains must always be punished. So instead of showing the villain be competent enough to escape they instead show that the systems they're handed over to is incompetent enough to be considered a public threat in their own right.
Ultimately though? Every storyline is essentially its own independent series unless a detail from another storyline is of significance. In which solely that detail is important.
@@1gient That's cool and all but Metropolis has the death penalty
Plot armor
Because why get rid of Batman’s villains when we like them?
I like that he doesn't have a villain name. Just using his normal name fits the idea of him blending in. Can see him having Preacher Cain's theme song from Spawn while he's around.
Putting your son in a private room with the joker because nothing could POSSIBLY FUCKING GO WRO NG
That doesn't seem like something Gordon (Senior) would really do.
Am I the insane one for noticing the telltale signs of a messed up kid? Have I watched too much true crime?
I imagine they’d start talking like friends after a while
@@JoshuaAndres Jr. did say that he and the Jokey apparently "got along quite well" during his time, though I don't think they were in the same cell. Pretty sure they were a few cells apart.
@@coronin8587 just read the comic again and he says "two cells down" I think
Honestly the scariest thing is he doesn't wear a costume. He isn't like other Batman rogue's gallery villains because he just... looks like a guy. No costume. No gimmick. Just the raw naked horror of being exposed to someone who could brutally maim you and lose no sleep over it. There's no veneer of comic book absurdity to help insulate the horror that is seeing an emotionless murderer.
Surrealist insulation. Heh
Yup, Janes Gordon Jr is certainly terrifying and what makes him unique & Even more terrifying is that unlike most of Gotham’s scariest & deadliest killers, James doesn’t wear a mask like Prof. Pyg,, isn’t covered in scars like Zsaasz or has bleached skin like the Joker, he’s just an ordinary looking guy who has some insight into how the police work, because he’s the deranged son of the most moral cop in the city.
I like the outrageous appearance and styles of the batman villains.
Realistic doesn't mean better sometimes its honestly ... boring.
No gimmick
No gags
No goofyness
Just Guts and Gore.
Why even make it a superhero comic then?
@@WannabeWryter Superhero comics don't always have to be tacky and lame.
reminds me of light yagami
Why did gordon think it was a good idea to leave his son alone with THE JOKER??? That was just guaranteed to make everything worse for him
Scare tactic.
Gordon was thinking too much like a cop rather than a dad there.
@@alexanderchristopher6237The fact that cops think like that is scary in its own right.
I think that he would be a great villain for a sequel movie for Robert Pattinson's Batman. It can also serve as a buildup for a third movie with The Joker.
Would definitely love a Silence of the Lambs/Mindhunter-like situation where Batman has to consult the Joker to catch another murderous psycho. It won't just fit the tone and the detective noir approach established in the first movie, it will also establish the relationship between the Joker and Batman.
What, so Bruce can steal yet another villain from Dick? Professor Pyg, Flamingo, Deathstroke, the Court of Owls and probably more that I missed not enough?
Also, the reason he works so well in The Black Mirror is because his numb sociopathy is a direct foil to Dick's caring nature. It's why he comes after Dick specifically using Barbara, as he reveals in his final monologue: he thinks sympathy is what makes people weak and calls Dick "the weakest man in Gotham" because of that. In comparison, he doesn't have that view or motivatiob towards Bruce. He says it himself that what made him come back to Gotham is _Dick's_ Batman.
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@@naruhoedou4709court of owls is a Batman villain through and through
It's interesting how his upbringing wasn't traumatizing, but that he was rather neurologically affected and that was what lead to psychopathic tendencies
I had a nephew (not son of a sibling, but of a cousin) and he... just wasn't right. My cousin treated him well and normally but he always did fucked up shit ever since he could walk. He smashed other people's stuff and started laughing when he saw that they were upset, was a lot happier when people were sad about it rather than angry. When he was 3, he found a stray cat and he really, really, REALLY wanted to kill that animal. Tried breaking its neck and throwing it off a balcony. I always took the cat away from him and the cat was luckily able to defend itself, but it was fucking disturbing how much he just wanted to hurt an innocent animal
He also started fights with other kids for no reason and it wasn't how kids fight for fun. He tried to hurt their heads and their necks. He once tried to strangle a boy his age for no reason. He also saw a girl sitting close by a slide, he sneaked up the slide and kicked her with as much swing as he could when he went down. Poor girl went unconcsious, I helped her mother with bringing the kid to her car and pretended I didn't know the psycho that did this. He laughed so much about it. My cousin was furious with him but he just laughed
My cousin gave up on this child after 4 years, gave him up to some social service, stating that she was unable to raise a boy this destructive. We never heard of him again
Very sorry that you have gone through all of that.
But yeah. Neuro-chemical imbalance can be the crux of all, good and bad. It is intriguing how fragile human mind is when it is put under slight deviation from the norm - some people become geniuses and visionaries, others insane and horrid.
@@ZizixxSamurai I've heard of stories of antisocial people having managed to live a normal life without bringing pain upon others. I don't know if they are irredeemable, but treatment seems difficult if not impossible to me
Actually, I found an interesting interview in this regard: ruclips.net/video/bdPMUX8_8Ms/видео.htmlfeature=shared
@@ZizixxSamuraior maybe just take them to a psychiatrist... Instead of execution.
@Texicus_Reddicus what kind of sicko doesn't advocate for child execution smh
Future Michael Myers
no joking, no riddling, no superhero serum, just a smart psycho who stabs people to death. he is by far the most realistic criminal in the gotham' villain gallery.
Not even an alias.
God this just makes me wish they bring the arkham games back, so much untapped potential left with the "Lesser known" villains that could rival the Joker
Suicide Squad game: *exists*
Fuck, go back.
@@dokuganryu1565 What are you talking about? They never made any other game after Arkham Knight
Batman: 😏
James Gordon Jr: “And I took that *PERSONALLY* “
What I think is most interesting is how he works as the ideal arch villain to Dick Grayson Batman. Specifically, how each member of Batman's rogue's gallery is designed to contrast or foil with Bruce in some way. Junior contrasts Dick in many meaningful ways.
Dick had his family taken away, and found new family in Bruce, the Bat-family, and even commissioner Gordon. Jr had every opportunity to live a healthy normal life with his family but instead pushed them away, antagonized them, and even made attempts on their life, choosing to burn bridges instead of creating them. He sees relationships as a weakness rather than a strength.
Dick saw Batman as his surrogate father figure, which inspired and molded him to become a hero and take up his mantel. Jr could have done the same for his real father, but instead chose to idolize the Joker, leading him on a much darker path.
Dick has a responsibility to make the world a better place and uphold the legacy of Batman, Jr isn't looking to make a grandiose name for himself (probably why he doesn't have a 'proper' villain name), rather he just wants to make the world a worse place for everybody and would probably prefer not getting recognition for this 'accomplishment'.
The moral high ground of being opposed to killing is something deeply rooted in Batman's character, the inversion of that is someone who kills for fun or even no reason at all, both of which Jr has done.
Even Jr's earliest act of violence, dismembering a small bird, can be seen as narratively symbolic of his future opposition to Grayson, the original Robin.
Barbara: "WHY DID YOU DO THIS, JAMES?! WE ALWAYS TOOK CARE AND LOVED YOU!!!"
James Jr's voice on the phone: "You wouldn't understand my enigmatic mind, sister. Anyway, do you know what's the most terrifying thing here?"
Barbara: "WHAT?"
James Jr: "That I am behind you"
GOOSEBUMPS
Respectfully james getting his shit kicked in by his sister
@@davantebarbain3216 he's too smart and too evil to fight fair. he would probably hold someone innocent hostage and tell her to stab herself or some fucked up shit
@@davantebarbain3216she's literally in a wheelchair
James Gordon Jr. is a unique villain and concept. He is definitely a complete monster.
James Gordon Jr: Makes his mother mutilate herself, stabs his paralyzed sister and horribly murders two people for simple trifles
Commissioner Gordon: "I knew it was a bad idea to buy him that Joker costume..."
Literally all it would take is red hood being like “sorry Gordon, he gotta go” like this is why the whole no kill rule is ridiculous. People like James Gordon Jr aren’t gonna change, so if you want to save lives , you take his. Idk how Batman/bat fam writers in general manage to find ways to keep these fuckers alive it’s actually insane
@@ianharrison5758 You don't even understand the no kill rule from Batman, it has nothing to do with the Black Mirror comic or with the James Jr. character. Even in the real world there are many psychopats or serial kill who never received the death sentence, it's easy to plead for someone else to kill everyone instead of questioning the law and corruption of the city.
@@Reperis_Art you’ve made no point. “Questioning corruption” how? By beating up a mass murderer, throwing them inside the same corrupt system and doing it all over again when they inevitably break out?
@@ianharrison5758 That's the point, the first thing is that the death of many of this villains shouldn't be in the hands of Batman but in the hands of the system, by the police, a judge, another criminal or whatever, Batman just follows the rules because he don't want to be above the law and having the right to kill cause it's not his work, and just in very little cases he kills.
The Joker could be killed by many other characters too like Red Hood, but he went riot against the criminals not for justice but for vengeance, cause even having the free chance to kill the Joker, he only tried to kill Batman.
The second is that for all his crimes, in many stories Joker has died more than once, in the real world someone as crazy as the Joker could only have a chance to survive o be free for a couple of years before he dies for his hand or for somebody else. But in the main line of comics that could never happen, not because the no kill rule is stupid because thanks to that Batman it's a real hero, but because those characters belong to a company who need them to earn money, and would only allow them to die if one day they just stop making money.
Knowing that, you have to already know that these main stories will not show a progress, it's a in between story-arch that will expose two ideas fighting each other, the best and the worst and the best of any human being reflected by the hero and the antagonist, showing a hopeful ending or a bittersweet ending (just like this one).
It's not fair to judge a story for something that can't show when the main focus it's completely different, there are many films, series or comics where an autor can lead to Batman and his characters to an end (Batman Beyond, TDKR, Nolan trilogy, Arkhamverse...) but the main line can't do this so they have to try new things every time, new concepts, new villains, new challenges.
And even if there is never and end, there are so many good stories there to be upset with that. Tt's not like you can do anything to stop this, but at least you can try to understand it and read it.
I honestly feel Batman has such a in-depth rogue gallery that he honestly should have a live action show idk why DC doesn't do it.
Havent they done that? A few times?
@@monosophy691Not done properly
@@jaredmartin7040 Gotham was pretty good. Although it was more of a prequel since Batman wasn't a thing yet.
they dont have the money for that and the animated movies are honestly better
if dc has to make a live action adaptation of an obscured batman villain they need to make a Series not a movie
The worst thing James says is that he’s had trouble fearing being locked away and “never seeing the light of day again”
The desire to kill is gonna override the fear of prison every time.
So he basically said even if I'm out or in jail I'ma kill regardless
If they ever do a new batgirl movie, I’d love to see them have Jimmy Jr as the villain, imagine how messed up that’d be
James telling his sister that he was the reason for the entirety of "The Killing Joke" even as a prank is a whole another level of fucked up.
“IT’S JUST A PRANK BRO”
I think he's a good villian i just think it's excessive trauma dumping on Commissioner Gordon who's had his daughter paralysed and his wife murdered. If he was the son of Harvey Bullock or something that would be fine, but Gordons gone through enough making his son a serial killer seems like overkill.
that picture of the girl in the tub is fucking horrifying jesus christ
"He kills several Barbara friends, with the exception of Dick Grayson because he was always nice to him" Gordon Jr. acting like Dick wouldn't have beaten the living out of him
It says a lot about Jr when Batman and Gordon thought to themselves "Hmm what's the sickest mind I can tap into to find the sickest mind in the multiverse?" when it came to the laughing Batman.
But Jr. *helps* them, during that arc - And I honestly really like that one him.
James Jr. as someone struggling with mental illness is a lot more compelling than James Jr. as a serial killer.
17:30 Blue eyes = sociopathic. I see
On another note, I’d love to see if this resulted in Gotham establishing a law that children raised in 10-20 years are required to take psychological exams that determine whether or not they were poisoned.
Pretty sure it's the neutral expression, not crying or smiling, that's supposed to hint at sociopathy while keeping it ambiguous.
@@Ferdi900I mean, it’s a baby. They make those pouty faces all the time.
Edit: TBH this arc rubs me the wrong way in general, what with implying that _all_ these children will end up with sociopathic behaviors and thus will go on to harm others. It feels like a very dehumanizing and antagonizing way to portray people with antisocial personality disorder in general. It would be nice to see a "sequel" to this where a child (heck, maybe even the baby we see at the end) DOES show "sociopathic" behavior but is ashamed of what they do and genuinely wants to seek help without being stigmatized.
@@twindrill2852Welcome to DC, where anybody who lives in Gotham is written to be a sociopath or psychopath. No normalities allowed somehow.
@@twindrill2852The drug amplifies the whole psychopath thing. There would be no "shame" they could feel.
It's the brown eyes we should worry about.
Isn’t Gordon letting his kid dress up as the Joker just the DC version of 9/11 first responder letting his kid be Bin Laden for Halloween?
no cause the 9/11 kid was trying to be the scariest thing.. the DC was Joker was his hero..
the son of the most respected and most honest cop
is the most unhinged person of the Batman rogue's gallery
I doubt Matt reeves will use him but man I love Batman black mirror. I’d love to see a hard R Batman trilogy at some point that uses more obscure and darker villains like James Gordon Jr.
and professor pyg
When the mullet man comics video is Nineteen minutes you know it’s gonna be good
Honestly I really hope they try adapting Gordon jr in any Batman media.😺
He would be a good Nightwing villain. A live action Black Mirror story would be great.
He will be idolize by women like how some men idolize the Heath Ledger Joker.
imagine him being a sort of twist in Gunns verse. Like we find out Gordon was a deadbeat and abandoned Jr. and his mom or som shit. I think it'd add a layer to Gordon that the movies have been sorely missing.
@@alienalchemistjust let's us know who the crazy ones are then
I think he really suits in Pattinson's Batman universe, but it would just be a copy of the first film
Honestly when you showed the part where Jim holds onto James at the end, I just imagined a what-if scenario where James takes the knife out of his eye and stabs Jim with it before falling into the water, successfully escaping
I legit thought that's what was going to happen too. The guy was obviously crazy enough to do it, but at that moment, I don't think he had the physical strength to do it. Too much blood loss... maybe. Even if he did do it, both of his legs were shot, literally. He wouldn't be swimming anywhere... probably.
Just like GTA V.
Tbh if that did happen, I'd leave it ambiguous if he drowned or not. Once James hits the water he's never seen again. When Batman dives in, all he can find is his glasses. That way, if writers decide to bring him back it would be super easy and no plot hole to explain his return
The fact the even The Joker was scared of this guy shows really how disturbing he is
Batman being a billionaire couldve fixed gothams poverty, crime, and mental health problems yet consistently perpetuates it because of his own traumas.
You’re absolutely right when you said what made this “person” even more scary is how realistic he was compared to our real life killers. I’m telling ya the only thing that made this guy different from our irl killers is that he didn’t wear the stereotypical Aviator Glasses and didn’t have a mustache (which is ironic since his dad James Gordon has one)! 😂😂😂
The REAL opposite of Batman is Owlman. Can you cover him?
Bro saw batman smiling and said "not on my watch" D1 hater right here
Dawg put music + sound effects out of nowhere. It caught me off guard, creeped me out, and I like it. Adds to the effect.
if i fell off a bridge as a baby, I would be dead
Me too man we're so alike
Bro, Gordon tells barbara to NOT OPEN THE DOOR and not let anyone in.
But what's the VERY FIRST THING SHE DOES? She goes on and opens the fucking door to some stranger...
What's terrifying is that if you pay attention to James Gordon Jr.'s design, he looks almost exactly like Light Yagami
Gordon Jr. creating a generation of psychopaths seems like a great lead-in to the multiple Jokerz gangs in Beyond.
Did James Gordon Jr make anyone else think of the Riddlers portreyal in the Batman by Matt Reeves?
He gave me really similar vibes to that version of the Riddler
also the implaction that Jimmy Jr gave Joker the inspiration for what happend in the Killing Joke is just horrifying
Im not the only one!
I personally don't think so. Barbara said it herself, Gordon usually didn't have some convoluted plan like Riddler does. He would just come in while Babs is sleeping, and she would never wake up. There wouldn't be any clues. Just a dead body in a room.
Perhaps this is were they got the inspiration from? I've also heard that the idea of riddlers character was inspired by that zodiac killer guy irl to, although idk if that's true or not.
@@ElishaFollet The Batman's riddler is heavily adapted from some of the zodiac killer's stuff (the mask, the crypticmessages and the code) but James Gordon Jr. is wildly different from this riddled. Barbara in this arc he covers says it perfectly when she tells James the only reason she was scared of him was because unlike Joker, unlike Riddler, unlike any of the other Batman villains, James doesn't care about grandoise spectacles. One night Barbara will go to bed, and she'll wake up to James Jr. Strangling her and that'll be it. No speeches, just her death.
I thought of that too, could have been intentional they even have some similarity’s in design/ look of the character
My gf thought this was about James Corden the whole time
I don’t think even James Gordon Jr would want be compared with Corden
James cordon jr makes all the other batman villains look like random thugs holy shit
Now i really want a dcu Nightwing and Batgirl movie with James Gordon Jr. as the villain
Or when she’s Oracle. Since she’s in the wheelchair.
I want that type of movie too! ^^
Remember when part of Clayface got infected with Joker toxin and became "Clownface"?
They were pretty obviously setting JG Jr up as some kind of next iteration of the Joker, or a sort of progression of the Joker as a concept. So...
Imagine if Clownface bonded with James Gordon Junior. That could be like a Joker version of Carnage and play into Junior's surpressed nature with his Clownface transformation allowing him to be his true twisted self.
I'd Buy that for a dollar 😁
This is DOPE! Never heard of Jr. before but he reminds me a ton of Riddler from The Batman (2022)
I think Batman's scariest villain is himself. "The Batman Who Laughs" just straight up terrifying to a point that Batman himself needed to go off the deep-end to defeat him.
that boi must be from monster anime, he movin like johan
That's what i said lmao
Jim Gordon has it rougher than almost any other character in comics.
Honestly, I didn’t think anyone could get any darker than other Batman villains.
What disturbs me is that unlike the rest of Batman villains or any villains in any comic universes, James Gordon Jr. is more human at least in appearance. To show that dangerous and evil people don’t need fancy costumes or cool names or deformities or popularity/reputation to look less human. Look like normal people with a normal name until they strike.
I’d say James Gordon Jr. rivals that of the Joker. Their looks is separates them.
When we think of the Joker doing heinous acts, we tend to think him as this evil clown; don’t think him as a person but a monster/entity/plot device for a hero to defeat.
But James Gordon Jr., somehow, he reminds us that even people can be monsters; even we become monsters.
I remember hearing Batman and James Gordon recruiting James Gordon Jr. in their fight against The Batman Who Laughs. So, what better chance to defeat the most insane being in all of DC multiverse than with the mind of the most insane person they know?
He kinda reminds me of the movie version of the latest Riddler. Kinda realistically horrifying and strange.
Idk what it is about that barbra gordon in the shower image, but its genuinely super fuckin unnerving
WHO THE FUCK PUTS A CHILD NEXT TO THE JOKER!? ESPECIALLY WHEN HE IDOLIZED HIM
If Barbara had a penny for every time she got hurt after answering the door, she'd have two pennies. Which isn't much, but weird that it happened twice.
Dick vs Junior is probably my favorite clash in all of comics. It just makes so much sense given their backgrounds and personalities
You know, maybe Batman should've let James Jr fall if THIS was how he'd turn out.
Dressing up as the Joker for Halloween wearing a Bin Laden costume right after 9/11
It's situations like this where one thinks that if Bruce had spent even half as much time and money on having WayneTech develop successful psychiatric diagnostics and treatments as he had on developing all those contingency plans for taking down his fellow Justice League members, there would be a LOT less situations like this.
he could also instititute a police state with all that sweet money everyone keeps bringing up...but honestly. it aint and never will be that easy even in comics
and also. isn't it cannon that wayne enterprise is involved in that stuff already
@@someguyontheinternet1093In some versions of Batman, Bruce planned to do similar things like that with Harvey but after Dent's breakdown and killing spree Bruce kinda abandoned that idea as he had very few people who could help him with it.
The problem is we're trying to think of realistic solutions to cartoon characters with the plot armor of a 60 year old highly marketable franchise. Like yeah, here's the Riddler, he kills people and leaves riddles behind. Nothing else in his head just killin and riddlin. Fuck ya gonna do about him? Years of therapy can't even improve his fashion sense let alone his moral code.
@@someguyontheinternet1093 literally in this comic DIck opened a crime lab using his inheritance money after Bruce's death and return in final crisis and it was just never used. GCPD was too prideful to use it.
I know writers need cash but this would have been a good time for bats to make an acception on his no kill rule, besides they can always bring him back through what ever comic bullshit anyways so it wouldn't harm theyr profits much especially if it's an under known character like this
This character's design seems like an excuse for Batfamily members to punch Daredevil.
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Why haven't the people of Gotham executed all the villains yet? So that Batman doesn't get bored or they like to die by the hundreds every time someone breaks out of Arkham.
Its crazy how i didn't even know about James Gordon jr and how little to no appearances were made in any other form of media. He is the black sheep in the family after all.
1:12 Bruh thinks he's Jeffrey Dahmer in this shot
No absurd costume, no codename.
Just a guy hell-bent on ruination.
He really is a tragic character too. He showed signs of being mentally ill and all his family did was distance themselves from him and discipline him and refuse to get him professional help.
Honestly the fact that jim put james in a cell next to joker is just straight up bad parenting hes seen first hand what joker is capable off and puts his own son in the cell next to him hell he blows the place up half the time
Do Dollmaker next! That dude is the most horrifying character I’ve ever seen!
Most realistic being everyone including his cop dad ignored it and enabled him.
I think James Jr. has some really damn good artists. Batman: Black Mirror is a good example, I love the bichromatic style of many of James Jr.'s panels
I think the scariest part is that from every villain in Gotham he just, is a guy, disgusting and scary, but pictured as a standard individual
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Ok son, if you want to be like the Joker have it your way, you're off on an all expenses paid first class trip to Arkham Asylum, where you'll get 24 hour straight of pure uninterrupted tutoring from your hero, the iconic clown prince of crime himself. Happy birthday, son.
They should seriously make an animated film of this.
I agree!
11:05 Psychopathy has nothing to do with delusional ideas, inappropriate behavior and the desire to kill. And if you make an adult person with an established worldview a psychopath, then most likely he will not even become a criminal because of this. Either the author of the comic or the author of the video should read about what psychopathy is on Wikipedia or any medical Internet site.
Lol Gordon put his disturbed son in a cell next to the JOKER and is surprised when he grew up weird?
Same guy that never kills criminals when they constantly escape the asylum and targets him and his family
Putting him next to to joker was probably one of the stupidest things Gordon has ever done
James gordon jr is the kind of villain where they are best off dead then alive and since we have pyschopaths in real life in a way what do you do
lets say he is now powerless unable to do defend or attack he makes you think and you have like a choice
1 you would kill him thus with him gone it would provide a sense of comfort knowing he´s never coming back
or 2 you bring him to the asylum like every other villian waiting to do these horrible acts all over again but also he has an army that are just like him in a decade not to mention creating more horror that even make the joker of people to back off
But no matter what, neither Gordon nor Batman would kill them because as always it isnt in their "moral code"
@@Cruddy129 in a way with Gordon saving his son's life he pretty much fucked all of gothom beyond recovery
JIm Gordon... put a kid...his own son... in the cell with the fucking Joker?!? Father of the year.
All the reasons you mentioned can be attributed to any of batman's villains. The reason i think he is so terrifying is because he is a family killer. When we see one in other media they target a family we do not really know. However James targets the Gordon's, a family that we are intimately familiar with. making this bone chillingly close to home.
My theory is that there was no plant to infect children with the drug, he just whanted to f with Batman/gordon.