Why New Star Wars Fans Don't Realise How Dark Mandalorians Really Get - The Morality of Mandalorians
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0:00 Intro
0:55 Past and Present
3:42 Is This The Way?
6:51 The Cult of Strength
10:39 Outro 
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Only true fans will remember the mandalorian wars, Mandalore the ultimate and the neo crusaders nearly conquered the galaxy, committing genocide and nuclear holocaust. Even turn Darth Revan to the dark side, in order for his side to win against them.
Wow, projecting your experience and opinion as coinciding with true fans is quite narrow.
The new fans don't seem to understand that the first appearance of the 'first' Mandalorian was Boba Fett, the Bounty Hunter who works for the bad guys in the Original Trilogy, after that we got the Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders led by Mandalore the Ultimate.
Who they themselves committed many atrocities in the Old Republic in the name of their 'justified' crusade.
@@Darksidesoldier1 quite true
Ah the good old days, now it’s clan politics and trade disputes with the senate
Those details are from Legends and haven’t been canonized yet! The ancient Mandalorians were much different compared to their modern Mandalorian counterparts that most Star Wars viewers are aware of. First of all Mandalore the Ultimate and most Mandalorians during that era were of the Taung species who had resentment because their ancestors were driven off their original homeworld Coruscant by the Zhell who were believed to be the ancient ancestors of the humans. The Taungs were barbaric and brutal warriors and their tactics were savage. The Taungs faced extinction but were able to preserve the Mandalorian culture by adopting humans and other species to carry on their way of life. By the time of the old republic humans were the dominant race within Mandalorian society and with the New Mandalorians (pacifist) holding political power up until the Clone Wars, the warrior culture kind of softened and those who still embraced their historic roots were nothing compared to the brutality of the Taungs. I wouldn’t say that the modern Mandalorians that fans adore are the good guys but I would say they are more neutral and likely to be more self-serving which may lead them to take sides of the protagonists or antagonists depending on the situation.
"I'm a Mandalorian. War crimes are part of my religion."
The gamer way of life lmao
More or less
Geneva Convention, Geneva Suggestion
*Anakin skywalker would like to know your location*
What's the Yavin Code?
I’m well aware because of KOTOR and looking into the lore that they aren’t good people…but THAT ARMOUR THOUGH!
Yeah they're kind of the Star Wars version of Sparta.
Brutal and vicious
Not that impressive militarily
And way too casual with murder and war crimes
But damn if their armor doesn't look super badass!
@@CollinMcLean More like the Mongols, Spartans weren't nomadic marauders.
@@DIEGhostfish I don't think the Mongols are quite the best comparison since Sparta had a more deeply ingrained military culture to their society that was persistent and consistent to the point that most facets of Spartan culture existed for the purpose of supporting the warrior lifestyle. Indoctrinating kids for decades, granting women the right to compete in sports just to make them stronger to bare stronger children, to enslaving an entire city state so the Spartan citizenry can focus on war rather than farming.
Plus Sparta and Mandalore both have not entirely deserved heroic images to them that's owed mainly to pop culture romanticism. And like Sparta the Mandalorians have a pretty mixed record of victory that's impressive in story but less impressive actually on paper.
The Mongols were a bigger empire builder than Sparta which was insular and isolationist but in the later days of the classical world Sparta did flex a lot more on their neighboring city states.
'Speak the language. Wear the armour. Serve the clan. Rally when called. Defend your children. And raise them as mandalorians.-The Resolnare of Mandalore
Yeah the mandalorians were pretty brutal during those wars and death watch was trying to reach that level of barbarity.
And they got very close, but no cigar.
@@merafirewing6591Or in the Star Wars case, no deathsticks
@@merafirewing6591, yeah, thank god they never managed to get the numbers to form any sort of Crusader army, otherwise the galaxy would've really been screwed.
It really annoys me that The Mandalorian won't acknowledge the dark side of Mandalore. Feels like a waste of potential character development for Din.
He didn't know all the lore
That's why Canderous is thr GOAT
yes even when it came to hunting large animals, the mandalorians never instigated it in the show, instead they look like amateurs being attacked by big monsters out of nowhere, instead of them doing the hunting
What you talking about. A key part of the narrative was the Armorer mystic reminding everyone about it. An then paying for their sins an Bo Katan moping around wondering if they'd somehow earned it due to their checkered past
I disagree. The Children of the Watch were ultra-orthodox traditionalists, but they were so tiny that they never really had the chance to commit the atrocities that come with Mandalorian warfare. We have no real way of knowing what Din would do in a war, since his way of life so far has only really given him opportunities to show the “good” side of Mandalorian ethics. Depending on how Bo-katan’s story goes, that may change.
Even in the Crusade era, their war crimes weren’t really on the personal level-The massacres were usually either deliberately goading the Jedi to fight (unnecessary here, because their enemies aren’t trying to avoid conflict) or collateral damage from indiscriminate bombing. It was never personal, or done out of simple cruelty. There hasn’t really been a *reason* to commit war crimes-Most of his interpersonal interactions have been entirely faithful to Mandalorian morality. Sacrifice for duty’s sake is very Mandalorian, as is choosing clan loyalty (in his case, the Children) over other concerns, short of being called to battle by the rightful Mand’alor.
If Jango's adoptive father Jaster Meerel had lived I think things would have turned out differently. His reforming of the warrior code to focus on honourable reasons for fighting or simply making a living through bounty hunting fixed a lot of the problems where Satine threw the baby out with the bath water.
Their cult of strength is kinda like Athens', "The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
You mean Sparta!, not Athens those athenan boy lovers are weak.
@@oldbritannia5553 Maybe in Zack Snyder's version of Ancient History.
@@oldbritannia5553Spartans had boys as sex slaves they were no better in that area. Also if you look at the history of Sparta they are way overblown and they were losers who sided with the Persians that weakened Greece and it enabled Macedonia to conquer Greece.
@@nobleman9393 They won the peloponnesian war. Thay only the Persian gulf war, cause a spy made it to Athens, and got them all their allies to backstab Sparta whilst they were away, with Lysander in Anatolia, otherwise Sparta would have been a world power and empire had they intercepted the Persian enovy.
The Mandalorians definitely deserve their own star wars movie
Filoni & Favreau are working on it
Gods I hope not. Modern Feloni, Favreau, and forbid the movie directors have had a horrific track record in the shows and movies.
@@lilnoomer596 OK, long live Star Wars Legends, right?
I’ll take a book, movie, and at least 3 games. Can’t forget more Lego sets for the kids
@@lilnoomer596I know we all have opinions, but I feel like you've got no taste.
The best Mandalorian: Canderous Ordo
even though revan destroyed his people and taken their armour from them, Canderous respected him and through fighting alongside Revan, who will then return his armour to him and entrust him in reuniting the madnolroians back together to help when big evil arrives
@@darkothemapper1826 yep
I think part of the issue regarding how the Mandalorians went from being viewed as barbarians to this noble warrior culture, even long before The Mandalorian came out, was because of Karen Traviss and the Republic Commando novels.
I originally started reading the Republic Commando novels back in the day because I loved real-life military history and I was growing up with the initial run of Clone Wars-era content before Revenge of the Sith was released, so if you've seen the Dark Horse Republic comics or the Republic Commando video game, you know how grounded and dark the Clone Wars could be.
So when Traviss' novels were coming out, I snatched up the first two (Hard Contact and Triple Zero) because I wanted to learn more about the Commandos and how the GAR functioned.
Both novels were great, but by Triple Zero I noticed how much of a love affair Traviss seemed to have with Mandalorians, since many of the GAR's training sergeants were Mandalorians recruited by Jango Fett, and two of these instructors, Kal Skirata and Walon Vau, became main characters starting with Triple Zero.
It was definitely interesting seeing the Mandalorian culture dynamic explored within the rigid confines of the GAR, but I remember thinking how, by the end of Triple Zero it seemed like this was less a story about the Clone Wars and more about the Mandalorians.
I read the third novel, True Colors, and that was the last of the Republic Commando novels I read. It was still a decent story, but by now much of the focus wasn't on the GAR, the Clone Wars or military sci fi in general, but moreso on family and relationship drama, and above all else, how superior the Mandalorian culture was to everything else, and how the Jedi (not the bureaucratic Old Republic or the political Jedi Council, but the Jedi in general) were no better than the Separatists or the Sith.
By the end of True Colors, I remember how Skirata was basically adopting all the clone characters and their girlfriends into his "family," and how all the clones and even a few of the Jedi were planning to desert the GAR and the Republic and start their own colony on Mandalore. After that I lost interest in the novels, because it felt more like a soap drama about Mandalorian recruiters instead of a series about the Clone Wars, which is weird considering it said friggin' A Clone Wars Novel on each of the Republic Commando covers.
I do have to credit Traviss with expanding on what Mandalorian culture was like, and I think it was her novels that first created a lot of the Mandalorian language, but for whatever reason I think she was truly in love with Mandalorians with the amount of time she spent preaching the nobility of the Mandalorians and how flawed and crappy every other single organization in the Galaxy was.
Personally, I think a lot of Star Wars fans were interested in Mandalorians just like I was (because let's be honest, a sci fi warrior culture is still badass) but they became absorbed in Traviss' love affair with Mandalorians and started over looking all those "minor" faults the Mandalorians had, like the many genocidal campaigns the Mandalorians waged against the Old Republic. Which is weird, because a lot of fans love Revan and yet they seem to ignore the very reason Revan went to fight in the Mandalorian Wars: The Mandalorians (at least at that time) weren't noble mercenaries with a code of honor, they were monsters who needed to be stopped.
I get what you mean, the Commando books were more soap opera in the setting of Star Wars than military sci-fi novels, did not change at all in the proceeding books. But the viewpoint that the books extolled about how everyone sucks except Mandalorians has to be taken account of in the fact that the POV characters in the books are clones who are literal slave soldiers being treated as family by a Mando, 2 jedi during a time where the Order isn't working out for the best for everyone involved, and an Old Mando who has some deep biases against any form of government.
The later books (should have been shown in the first 3 but whatever) show how Mando culture has plenty of issues(mostly infighting, cause Mandos are Mandos' worst enemies) that the POV characters gloss over cause of how overly protective they would feel about their culture. In any case yeah the books made the Mando way of life very appealing in terms of family for those with little to no family of their own. Mando propaganda for them not being as bad as they were during the Old Republic but cultures change depending on the era and the Traviss books were taking place when Mandos were looking for more people.
I don’t like Karen Traviss’s negative views on the Jedi. However, her Mandalorian worldbuilding, despite some very problematic aspects, are much more preferrable than Filoni’s BS.
Nobody tell the New Star Wars Fans about Mandalore the Ultimate.
Better yet don't tell them of Casus Fett or Demagol. Either will traumatize them. Bounus trauma if you tell them what Demagol means in Mando'a (to carve flesh).
Never ask a man his salary,
A woman her age,
A neo-crusader what his people did on Serocco and Kathar.
Let’s just not tell them about the Mandalorian Wars at all. Definitely don’t tell them why it happened either.
That is every country to be the first to use a new weapon in a new manner of warfare that may become a war crime in future events of similarly nature.
Exactly, even the games never covered the full scope of the mandalorian wars and mandalore the ultimates influence on the star wars galaxy. After all his war gave rise to Darth Revan
Mandalorians used nukes and commited genocide. So yeah, they are not at all morally good as a whole.
But they are still supet cool. Plus they used shotguns against Jedi and that is cool as hell. "Parry this you filthy casual!"
Canderous Ordo is the best Mandalorian ever!
'Speak the language. Wear the armour. Serve the clan. Rally when called. Defend your children. And raise them as mandalorians.-The Resolnare of Mandalore
They had a “hippie phase for a while” so it can depend on which kind of mando one refers to
"Mandalorian imperialism is justified, because we had a black Mand'alor once"
You forgot to point out that art is a big part of Mandalorian culture. Sabine Wren’s father was a renowned artist, and from whom she got her artist flair.
Thing is, art being part of the mandalorian culture is pretty new. Sabine and her father are the first mandalorian artists I've ever heard of
@@whee38 just because we haven’t seen others referenced, doesn’t mean they never existed. Sabine’s father talks about a long line of artists
@@DarthMalaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw The point is that beyond rebels it’s never mentioned.
@@s0ph053not verbally, but throughout the clone wars. The art decorating the capital speaks highly of how important art safe keeps the story of their culture and history. Even the way a clan bears its signet and colors expresses their allegiance and points of view
Those snowflakes? back in the good old days true Mandalorians would beat those guys up and take their money and buy some booze.
Like so many warrior societies here on Earth , the mandalorians, especially in Legends, care about essentialy three things: Courage, martial skill and strenght of character.
'Speak the language. Wear the armour. Serve the clan. Rally when called. Defend your children. And raise them as mandalorians.-The Resolnare of Mandalore
@@AndreNitroX This is the Way.
@@AndreNitroXbased
Kids born in the 2000s want to be Jedi. Kids Born in the 2010s want to be Mandos.
I'd rather prefer being an unsanctioned, special/covert ops combat mage type akin to Kyle Katarn, Mara Jade, and even Jaden Korr though, so basically, am preferable on mixing the prowess of the Jedi and the pragmatism of the Muggle.
I wanted to be Han Solo. I hated Jedi lol. :p Han Solo was a smuggler and pirate type of guy. Mando's are close to Han type.
Imperial Knights always caught my eye.
I was born in 2000 and I wanna be a jedi so... checks out
Arc trooper vibes
Mandalorians are historically and morally complex.
Why do they need to be evil or good guys? Different eras means Different leaders, and that means Different ways of leading. And when mandalore was constantly having civil wars i doubt many of the leaders agreed with their predecessor. So dont just forget the neo-crusader stuff, its the kind of thing that made the pacifists understandable, and deathwatch, and the reasons they're scattered now.
'Speak the language. Wear the armour. Serve the clan. Rally when called. Defend your children. And raise them as mandalorians.-The Resolnare of Mandalore
I always loved it when Canderous told one of his war stories in the game. They were oh so amusing.
Cathars: please stop genociding us.
Mandalorians: something, something, creed.
Despite me liking them I do agree. We see it more moderm times we see it in the extremes of Death Watch.
Others turning their back on all entirelly like the New Mandalorians.
Theres also who stand in the middle like thectrue mandalorians.
They are basically now days portray as warrior/Mercenary/ or olden days Mob style Protection money.
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There are some truly admirable parts of the Mandalorians, as with the Jedi and Sith, and plenty of other factions... but so far all of them have been shown to fail in due time. What works in a certain time and space does not work in another, some things work in moderation but too little or too much ends badly... life is hard.
At least a Mandalorian will take on that challenge of finding a way to life well.
Clone wars, rebels, mando, Ahsoka, no matter where they are presented, it’s done well. Stay loving the mad lad Mandos
Well it’s really based on how the shows portrays the main characters. It’s the same for Marvel Comics. The Superheroes and Villains are black and white but some popular villains have their own comic series and they are portrayed as the protagonist so the reader’s sympathize for them even though they are the bad guys. I am actually looking forward to Star Wars Acolytes because I heard rumors it will portray the Jedi as the antagonist which is a twist from the typical protagonist expectations we had from previous films and projects.
yes like doctor doom
I like that the mandalorians have many factions. Making all groups unique
This is kinda why I like Mandolorians, they’re a complex people, but even moreso, being Mando is an idea.
Ideas can have many interpretations.
Mandalorians are a culture, all cultures have good and bad elements
The mandos are products of survival. Remember the original race (tongs)died off but the culture survived. Hard to say if survival is evil. Even their weapons are to combat force users, jedi and sith alike. Great video tho
Them going on crusades is not a sign for trying to survive, it’s a quest of selfish need and empire building. They did not have to go down that right but they did. Yeah they were evil.
That’s why the new Mandalorian is were so tragic, they were trying to right their warrior ways. however, maybe the reason we are liking the new Mandalorian is because perhaps they are changing?
The Mandalorian from Mandalorian saved Grogu, despite the fact that, for the most part he was physically weak. But I’m not going to deny the horrors that happened in the old Republic by the Mandalorians. Regardless, if they were influenced by the Sith.
"Proud Warrior Race" is defined as "Winning a battle but losing the war".
achieving a minor victory that ultimately results in a larger defeat, rendering the victory empty or hollow. It can also refer to gaining a small tactical advantage that corresponds to a wider disadvantage.
Legends mandalorians committed Genocide over what was essentially a _*whisky distillery *_ .
Good or Evil, We all have to admit that the Mandalorians have some of the most epic music ( I'm looking at you, Republic Commando Ost).
it's their codes that makes them worth saving and preserving. Shae, her followers and Sabine made me see them in a brand new light. I see them as the hope for the galaxy. I'm very happy with Sabine being trained. the Mandalorians can be the leaders and the guardians that the Jedi and the Republic could never be. they are needed now.
Good or bad, they are still one of the best things about Star Wars
'Speak the language. Wear the armour. Serve the clan. Rally when called. Defend your children. And raise them as mandalorians.-The Resolnare of Mandalore
The Mandos are cool, definitely.
Basically, they are much like almost every nation in our world: There are factions who embrace the evil (Death Watch, Neo-Crusaders, Demagol), some who don't (like, you know, the New Mandalorians) and various other sects that walk the narrow line between both. Plus, they have a lot of dirty chapters in history.
The idea of leadership is an interesting thing, both in canon and legends. Your video on the destruction of the Darksaber has already stated it well: The Darksaber encouraged infighting over the question of leadership which would always pass to the strongest in combat. Plus, the owner of the Darksaber always has to watch out for challengers. At least in most canon appearances... and even if rightfully owned by combat, it's still encouraging splits, as shown in TCW - After Maul had won the Darksaber, Bo-Katan rejected his rule and split from him with her Death Watch sect.
It has much similiarities to the Sith with their individualistic ways.
In Legends, it's the mask of Mandalor which any Mando could claim who was lucky enough to find the corpse of the dead Mandalor first - Which implies any candidate is considered worthy of leadership. Even after Mandalorian factions infought over the question of leadership when Revan hid the mask, it's still a much more community-approached aspect: It was expected that those wearing the mask took a new name, just as Canderous Ordo became "Mandalor the Preserver". Even Mandalor the Ultimate, despite being a war criminal, knew strength in combat wasn't everything - As he lacked the skill for organizing, he tasked Cassus Fett with reorganizing the Mandos into the Neo-Crusaders.
To challenge the reigning Mandalor for the mask, simply for the sake of leadership, was seen as dishonorable.
Din Jarin's tribe is a more interesting thing, though - The armorer is considered the tribe's leader. A quite interesting take on leadership: As weapons are part of their religion, the leader is the only one who can produce said weaponry and armor. The one who knows the history and stories as well.
As hardly anybody knows the art of making armor and weaponry, there's less risk of infighting over the question of leadership, too. Keeping the tribe more stable.
The mandalorian wars in the old republic are some of my favourite stories in all of star wars
The conflict between the Mandolorian Protectors of Concord Dawn and Death Watch is the best example of the Good/Bad Mando factions
This is the way , is honorable
EU Mandalorians > Dis-Canon Mandalorians
I definitely committed a couple of war crimes
I think the Mandalorian philosophy is more "the strong WILL rule the weak", that is in keeping with what Pre Vizsla said before being killed by Maul. He was accepting about what happened (I think you have another video about that). The actions of both Din Djarin and Boba Fett (in the Book of Bob Fett), who in live action are our POV Mandalorian characters, show them frequently not seeking to rule (well not always) but seeking to teach others to not be ruled. Same with Canderous Ordo telling the farmer they should have fought to protect their family. Same with our Din Djarin's group took foundlings (the weakest of all) and taught them to be Mandalorian; if they were seeking rule by the strongest they wouldn't seek out the weak and train them to be strong.
The philosophy I think Mandalorian fans take from them is better said as "the strong will rule the weak, so you better learn to be strong lest you be ruled (by the weak)". When The Mandalorian (the TV show that is) came out after a few episodes it became a hit within the American gun owner and pro-2nd Amendment community (which I'm a vocal part of). They bought "Weapons are part of my religion" t-shirts, there was even a lawsuit where a pro-2A group defended a student's right to wear one in school when the student was told to take it off. If you talk to these people you'll find they support the idea that YOU should learn to defend yourself, that YOU should be dangerous so you're not ruled. That is why I think the Mandalorians have become such a hit.
This is the way
This is the way...
I'd have to argue that in most cases, mainly chronologically earlier depictions, Mandalorians are pretty bad, but in their current form it comes down partially to specific members and a lot is down to their intention. Looking at the newest rules and guidelines they seem to follow, the only major issues are the keeping your helmet on Din's people do, which is just physically and socially unhealthy, and the strong focus on combat. The helmet thing is obviously bad, but it's bad for health rather than being an evil thing. The combat-seeking on the other hand can be totally evil, totally good, or somewhere in between depending on how they approach it. If it's just fighting for it's own sake, that's terrible, unless done like boxing is as more entertainment. It could be done instead as the common bounty hunting we see more, which will vary depending on which contracts are taken and how the Mandalorian handles them. There is one way Mandalorians could be almost a purely good group, if the fighting was focused heavily on the purposes of protecting innocents, hunting down criminals and other bad guys, and generally bending their violent tendencies toward such goals that reduce worse violence and improve the lives of normal people. If they act in this way, Mandalorians effectively just become a really cool knightly order, treating their religion the same but aiming it's tenets at generally good activities. They'd be similar to Dragonfable's guardian order or the Vigilants of Stendarr in The Elder Scrolls, only that they seem to actually enjoy fighting rather than view it as a tool to do those things.
Are they the nicest people in the galaxy? No.
Counter point: They look Hella Cool™️ and they count among their ranks Temuera Morrison and Pedro Pascal, who are also Hella Cool™️.
I always believed that Mandalorians were pretty much the mercenary buisiness minded individuals with a sense of honor.
Hey Geetsly’s is there a reason you have been avoiding making videos on the Ahsoka show?
Not finished yet for one. Possibility of it jumping the shark in the end, for two.
I think we should wait for the Ahsoka season to finish. They probably got a lot of thoughts to compile into videos, as new episodes raised many new questions
Say Geetsly, how about a video comparing Canon Mandalorians to Clone Troopers and the same for Legends? I personally like to think there is a difference between Clones and Mandalorians, but I wonder if I’m just being too optimistic. At least in Canon it’ll probably be a positive difference in favor of the clones. In Legends it’ll probably be a negative one since Mandalorians helped save the galaxy against the Yuuzahan Vong while Clones in that continuity had far fewer qualms with the Galactic Empire and in fact also didn’t like the Jedi Order and Galactic Republic.
Complexity is a good thing
The Greek God Ares relished the power over mortals war gave him, just cleaving this way and that at the blood flowed.
The one time he was wounded with a magic spear, he ran crying to Daddy Zeus like a bully who’s victim finally fought back.
War has never been honorable.
The Mandalorians are intergalactic cross of Knights Templar and Green Berets/Rangers/SAS.
I want a strong true old way fanatical mando splinter faction to show up in one of the live action TV shows
Mandolorians are neither good nor evil. They are individuals, adapting to their environments and the changing times. They're the closest thing to a Gray Jedi as can be.
Well at the end of the day everyone’s their own individual maybe some Mandalorians would agree with you
Ppl really forgot Bo Katan was like a horrible terrorist (dont get me wrong love her character but like they way that when maul showed up suddenly she was just a good guy? Now shes like a hero leading her ppl back to her home like im all here for a redemption arc but there wasnt really one wish they kinda kept her character more ambiguous
Love from a CoreysDatapad and Vaush fan!
Look at Axe Woves in "The Mandalorian". He seems like a cool guy...but when he has a Job he is doing it to the letter, disregarding if other think of him as evil. A Job is a Job.
MAndalorians are indeed cool.
The point of skirata and his band is they are classic mandalorians who don’t really care about the differences between Jedi and sith. They’re all the same to them. He’s a jaded and hard man who was made even more so when he found that the “Jedi” ordered the creation of a slave army when he first met the nulls. His POV is mandalorians first everyone else whatever because he doesn’t have the whole picture. He’s a semi reliable POV character who doesn’t have the bigger picture, but still makes decisions based off of what he knows and feels. He’s a flawed character. Also the mandalorian lore in republic and imperial commandos is leagues ahead of, “this is the way”
It would be nice if there is a story of a Mandalorian sect that wants to do good and cleanse their dark and bloody past.
I think that most mandalorians seem to interpret the creed differently (this also heavily depends on their time/clan). Some, like Ordo, take it as the need to conquer and for the glory of battle. Hearing him talk about his war stories and the dialogue options that come with it bring a really awesome perspective for the mandalorian's belief at the time. Others like Din Djarin seem to take it as a religion or way of life without the need for genocide. Overall I think that its no different than any group in real life, largely thanks to different author's point of views, and that each mandalorian should be judged for their own actions and interpretation.
I think the problem here is treating the Mandalorians as a monoculture. Going back to the Klingon example, for a while, they were treated the same way, as a warrior monoculture. But as _The Next Generation_ went on, and especially during the run of _Deep Space 9_ and even into _Enterprise,_ they were portrayed far more fully, as a culture that had been taken over by the warrior class, but that was based around the concept honor and service, not simply about combat.
Coming back to Star Wars, the _Clone Wars_ series started the examination of the Mandalorian culture that continued through _Rebels, The Mandalorian,_ and _The Book of Boba Fett._ This did the same for the Mandalorians as the Star Trek series had done for Klingons, show that they weren't simply a monoculture, and that they had many competing philosophies about how to live.
Yeah there are are a lot of Star Wars fans who view the Mandalorians as some warrior culture of honorable and unequaled military badasses that face death without fear like ancient Sparta.
When in actuality the Mandalorians are brutal and militaristic psychopaths who get off on murder and war crimes... like ancient Sparta...
Isn't the mixture of both what makes them so appealing? I like being a noble warrior, but one who can turn into a genocidal maniac that commits warcrimes.
I dont see whats so bad about the war hungry ones in Kotor thats why I watch the show Manalorian I was hoping to see that version not what Disney put out them being wimps and with a green thing that ruined that show for me.
agreed, i wanted to see them hunt giant monsters not get hunted by them, i wanted them to raid villages not defend them, i also wanted to see them attempt to take over the galaxy again from the weak new republic.
They are definitely evil but a great toy option for Disney.
The Senate gets EVEN darker.
The Mandalorians are basically the US Marines if the officers were all Gunny and Doc always got shot.
See all I got from this is theyre chaotic neutrals 😂
I feel like the Mandalorians have been really watered down
I think mandalorians in general are so popular because they are complex. I love the old genocidal maniac mandos as much as I like the new gen mandos. Both versions have good and bad qualities. And fuck no they aren't always good people, but also not bad imo.
I think the Mandalorians are a complicated group. they have the capability to be noble and good but their veneration of war and conflict makes them easily corruptible and unable to hold themselves to their own honor codes.
I hate to disagree with the Geetsly High Councill, but if The Clone Wars taught me anything, besides never go to Umbara with Krell(lol), that it's okay to disobey you're superiors sometimes, so I have to disagree with you saying the Mandalorinas aren't good guys, at least specific people and groups in it. It's the same thing with the Clones. You did a few videos a while back where you said none of the Clones, be it units or Commando Squads, were good guys, which I also completely disagree with you on, and its the same thing here with the Mandalorians. Are all Mandalorians or Clones good guys, of course not, there are plenty of ass whole Mandalorians and Clones out there from the likes of Death Watch, those that caused the Mandalorian Wars, The Coruscant Guard, Delta Squad(unfortunately), Alpha-17, and so on, but there are also plenty of Mandalorians and Clones out there that as far as I know have done mostly if not entirely good in their lives and done very little if anything evil, like Rex, Cody, Fives, Echo, Din, and Sabine, even Bo-Katan has started to be better person it's debatable whether shes done enough good to make up for the bad stuff she did when she was part of Death Watch so you could argue if she should be a good guy now are just neutral but even she is trying to be better and be a good leader for her people so they'll have a future. You can't say all Mandalorians or all Clones are evil and not good guys, you can say some, or a good chunk, or specific groups and units are bad guys, but some of them are good guys through and through.
You know, the funny thing is, this can actually be related back to my comment from yesterday's video about that Battle Cato Neimoidia fanfic I just started working on. Because I have an idea involving the burning of the grub hatcheries, which I learned about from one of you're videos, Geetsly, so thank you for that, you teach me so much about the Star Wars universe, and what I've learned from you has allowed me to improve and expand my works. I truly appreciate all you've taught me, Grand Master Geetsly. Anyways, so for the burning of the grub hatchers on Cato Neimoidia, I plan to have a more evil Clone squad or unit like the Deltas do it and after they've already done a decent amount Obi-Wan, Anakin, and their good Clones will stumble upon what they've done and naturally be appalled and get into a whole debate and argument with these evil Clones are their actions, thus showing that there are both good guys and bad guys in the Republic and how the Clone Wars are slowly eroding away all the good and leaving the evil unchecked.
Also, to play Giritina's advocate here, warrior clans are not inherently a bad thing, there just another way of life for certain people. Some people just can't live normal mundane lives, they want more, more excitement, adventure, and combat, wanting all this is not inherently a bad thing, they are entitled to their own happiness, and as long as they don't hurt innocence and try to force their way on others, it's when their ways of life start causing problems for others or they try to force it on people against their will that they become evil and must be stopped for the good all. So the Death Watch and the Neo Crusaders are examples of those whose way of life are hurting others and thus must be stopped because they are bad guys, but then you have Din's clan the Children of the Watch that seemed to just be living their lives mostly away from others and not trying to actively harm others there okay and can live their lives how they want because their decent people who aren't harming people with their ways, unlike those beasts in Death Watch and the Neo Crusaders who were monsters and had to be stopped.
" I've killed many people. I can't say I'm proud of it, but I have. Criminals, competitors, businessmen, police... women, children... Jedi were a better challenge..." - Canderous Ordo
Here’s the thing though buddy. Might does make right. Don’t believe me? Refuse to give a pig your ID. See what happens.
The Neo Crusaders...
I would be willing to see more lazer-sword fights in our political system.
They’re wildcards probly as bad as other space wizard cults
I always and still consider them generally Neutral. And awesome.
Keeping healthy is based?? Bitter much?😂
Something to note is that both the Empire and the Sith Order maintain very similar ideologies to that of the Mandalorians: They're obsessed with the idea only the strongest should rule. When it comes to the Sith, they believe that the only thing that makes you worthy of being part of their order is your willingness to do anything within your power to... get more power. Being cruel to your enemies, being indiscriminately violent, or even outright betraying your fellow Sith is lauded as fundamentally goods as long as you are strong enough to carry home the win. And if you don't, you're not worthy anymore, and are disposed of like refuse. The Empire is quite similar in that regard. In the Imperial system, what matters most is your willingness to suck up to your superiors and your willingness to betray your comrades. I think the Commandant from Star Wars: Rebels summed it up best when he stated that only strength prevailed in the Empire, and when it came down to it, you could only look out for yourself, to the detriment of everyone. Except your superior officers, of course. And as it turns out, both the Sith and the Empire are also obsessed with war and militarism, possibly more so than the Mandalorians, if you can believe that. This is probably why recently, the Mandalorians (some of them, at least) have been depicted as good when coming up against those like the Sith or the Empire: Their systems are perfect representations of what happens when the Mandalorian way of life is taken to its absolute extreme, and some (emphasis on some) Mandalorians don't like what they see in that.
But that's just my interpretation of things.
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Not necessarily. I like them because of the portrayal in the RepCom game and books.
@4:21 Oh, so the NORMIES?! How can you think most fans of the Mandalorians are the fans of _The Mandalorian_ ?! Most fans of the Mandalorians and their culture come from _Knights of the Old Republic_ games and comics fans! We were around *MUCH LONGER.* There are much more of us than fans of the nromie-friendly _The Mandalorian,_ FTW?! xDDD
they've ignored how villainous they are, the only reason they are is because of the empire but they were only targeted because they overthrew their government in service of violence
This seems to be a divisive opinion piece right here. Just because one came from a sects of warrior race that have committed war crimes in a long distant past, doesn't mean one can't be the protagonist or the "good guy" when the stake calls for it. The Empire nearly brought them into extinction & Mandos had to adjust with the times if they're to survive. Gone are the days of warlike warriors of the old, it's time to give Mandos a chance to bring balance to the betterment of the galaxy
Is it just me or sometimes, this channel wanted me to like the Mandalorians but then also wanting me to hate them at the same time? Also, between ethnocide and genocide, which is worse? Because the former happened during the Republic while the latter happened during the Empire.
Oh boy! Who would have thought the extremelly warrior driven culture could have such a dark history?
Who have thought that the culture that litteraly make most of its living through mercenary work, bounty hunting and have litteral element that refuse to get out of armor even to take a dump or eat would evolve into a such a violent and criminal culture?
Who would have though the culture that litteraly have one of their own ally with a Sith, to produce a clone army, for the sole purpose of feeding a fake war, supposed to take out the litteral peace keeper of the galaxy and instal a fascist empire, could actually be made up of terrible people?
No, seriously, who would have thought that the culture which fanbase is basically the equivalent of krieg fanbase from warhammer would have a history of being obnoxious hyperviolent normal people fucking up everything up?
Definitivelly not me. That was definitively unthinkable.
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@@JJumper8888 Oh I love them, just like the mando. But fuck do a lot of their fan can be obnoxious.
@@johnwotek3816 yeah that's the duality of 40k fans😅 they can be super awesome but also super toxic at times
Jedi > Mandalorians
Mandalorians > Klingons
evil makes them cool
I Agree with you One Thousand percent you have a True and Valid point but Their really not bad people Their just Cultists and Some Cults even With some Good Intentions at heart can still be Very Bad.
Good and evil are only a matter of perspective what you anr i call good are not necessary good in different cultures on earth so.....
Had my fill of Mando fanwank long before shows like The Mandalorian brought them to more mainstream Star Wars fans. I largely blame that on Karen Traviss and her obsession with them and hatred of the Jedi.
They watered down the Mandalorians.. what a pity
I love how some 40K fans flex on the Mandalorians, how they say that Space Marines are like Mandalorians but more grittier and bloody, then I remember the time when Mandalore the Ultimate launched a war that made the Horus Heresy look like a bar brawl, where entire worlds were nuked and entire sectors were razed by the Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders, whose sheer force of brutality and carnage make the Black Templars look like cute anime kittens.
Imagine if you will, an entire faction whose armies are clad in beskar power armor and energy shields, wielding souped-up blasters that can damage small ships or disruptors that bypass enemy shields and disintegrate enemies painfully. Imagine that their version of a Bar Mitzvah is learning how to ride a Basilisk War Droid into battle, dropping from orbit and destroying entire bases with sheer firepower. Imagine their soldiers engaging in melee and killing Jedi with naught but vibroswords and the strength of their training. And imagine how they're the kind of nutcases that forces the Light-Side Republic to rely upon a Machiavellian Dark Jedi war criminal whose tactics mirror that of Grand Admiral Thrawn, just to annihilate them.
THAT is the true face of the Mandalorians. What we see now in TV are just the sad, dying remnants of an army that once made the galaxy piss itself in fear. Kind of like what the Enclave or the Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout would be when compared to the USA prior to the bombs falling. If the Neo-Crusaders went into the 40K galaxy at the height of their power, they'd annihilate damn near anything outside of Chaos, and the Chaos gods will be drinking well due to all the blood, carnage, and fear that the Neo-Crusaders would spread. They'd throw Abaddon's useless ass out of the club and replace him with Mandalore the Ultimate as the new agent of Chaos.
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The true Mandalorians died when the last legitimate mandalore was killed on Geonosis. Every other faction like death watch, the new mandalorians, and even the children of the watch are all just poor attempts to claim the name of Mandalorian
Mauls super commandos are the closest we ever got
@@Psub950 not at all.
@@Sumschmuckthey were ruthless and follow there traditions
The biggest problem with any warrior race is who raises the food? If everyone is a warrior, where does their food come from? A warrior race is only possible when the majority of the population are slaves to the warriors.
I once came up with a character who would become the second Mandalorian Jedi raised by the Mandalorians but trained by a female Twilek Jedi. In one part of his story, someone who didn't like him or his people criticized them and even asked why he wouldn't call them out for their crimes. His answer was "Even though I know of the amount of blood on their hands throughout the thousands of years they were around, how can I ever hate the people who gave me a home amongst them?"
i like that
The Mandalorians are not the "good" guys, but they are not the "bad" guys either. They are the "real" guys. Out of the three most powerful factions, the Mandalorians are the most "human." The Jedi and the Sith represent two extremes, while the Mandalorians represent a more middle ground between selfishness and selflessness in a galaxy where not having the strength to protect yourself is an invitation for exploitation at best and genocide at worst.
Lawful evil is exactly what they are imo