Brennen, you're so brave. I'm a demigirl who got harassed by a "real trans man" (he called himself that to insinuate I was faking being trans) at school. He would say, "Your existence fucking triggers me." I was so confused but I went quiet about my gender identity to avoid being a "snowflake" He would purposefully talk shit about mogai/neopronouns and he/they lesbians in front of me, just to show me how much he hated us. He ran the GSA (gay straight alliance), so I stopped going. I missed that open, friendly environment, but pretty much everyone left when he took over.
Jesus Christ, he RAN it????? that sounds like an absolute nightmare and he should have been voted out and replaced. I’m so sorry you went through that.
That sounds like hell. When will assholes like him understand that not everyone experiences being trans the same way they do? I hope things got better for you. Thank you for still being here.
Sounded like he had a lot of issues and a bunch of shit that shouldn’t have been made your problem. I’m sorry u felt like you couldn’t stay in ur safe space. And I truly hope he can look back and feel sincerely apologetic because dAmn :,)
It’s so amazing seeing you two going from being in horrible cringe comps to getting thousands of views and lots of love from the community that should’ve backed y’all from the beginning. Y’all are both so strong and awesome!
when i first came out as trans, my cis former "friends" would show me you and milos videos and tell me how horrible you were and how i should never be "that kind of trans person". but i related to you two so much and started watching your content on my own and genuinely feeling seen. you said things i did not yet know how to say. now without those people in my life anymore im much happier being a nonbinary trans man and im glad that you two are doing well and still making content. i dont know how you got through what you faced, i wouldnt have been able to cope with it
i used to be part of the anti-sjw wave but now i’ve discovered i’m more comfortable with she/they pronouns and relate to a lot of non-binary creators. i regret having to be a shitty person as a teen to get to this point. you both are amazing and interesting people. keep on keeping on 💗
I agree. It’s so difficult to rewatch some people’s streams when they are saying hi to everyone for like half the video and the beginning is so long. But this is nice!
@@lavenderkoi4931 right. im sorry but i don’t want to watch a video of someone reading the chat for 60% of the video and going, “can you hear me? is my mic working?” every few minutes 🤷♀️
I identified as nb transmasc until transmeds started attacking me on Instagram. I figured they must be right and I then went on to adopt their ideology and thought less of nonbinary people bc of it. I've since renounced that thinking and have reclaimed my nb identity and I just want to say I am so thankful for Brennen and Milo and others who've had to endure senseless hate bc of this situation
Used to be a Anti-SJW viewer and remember watching people attack Milo and wow it never hit me until now how much that time of my life screwed me up. I’m so sorry Milo although I never attacked you I did hate you but in reality I hated myself and my identity. I hope you both are doing so much better these days ^*^
Oh yeah I remember all those conservative channels. Despite their harassment and shitty videos they made on milo. Most of them are dead channels or dying channels yet you two are still here. Good job. I sure hope y’all is proud cuz I sure am.
god i dont know how either of you did it. literally have to have an S tier mental game in order to deal with the level of harassment y'all faced... and some of which years ago i supported, very regretfully. im very glad i was able to learn, process, and grow over the years. keep fighting the good fight, never give up, as cheesy as that sounds :)
I'm very mentally weak and I know for a fact that if this type of harassment was targeted towards me I wouldn't be able to handle it even a 1/4 as well as they did. Truly have god tier mental strength
@@Aristocratic13 why did i stop being a trans med u mean?? i went to therapy and grew up past the age of 19, if u want the sassy answer lmao. the real answer is i just realized the very simple notion of some people enjoy many labels, they help ppl understand themselves, but also i dont have to use them for myself if i dont want to. i think i realized i felt so much pressure to understand everything at once and the knowledge barrier of being lgbt+ at the time was overwhelming and thus made me oddly angry?? i came from a sheltered, conservative background so of course i latched onto toxic conservative-placating ideologies like transmedicalism. i did research, i calmed down, and i realized that this ideology hurt literally everyone and had absolutely zero end goal. it is an endless cycle of agony towards all and the self. i dont need that shit in my life.
Haven't finished the video, but I am constantly baffled by the huge barrage of hate towards you both received for no reason. I can't imagine what yall went through, but it really is such amazing queer inspiration to see you both grow beyond that.
I remember Milo, I was 11/12 when that controversy went down with the whole ‘all white people are racist, all straight people are homophobic, cis people are transphobic’ video. At the time I honestly had no idea what Milo was talking about and followed the orders of popular commentary channels to get defensive in a ‘but I don’t think racist things so I can’t be’, but I get it now. Although it wasn’t phrased in the best of ways (especially for a SJW-hating 2016 audience) it’s very much a ‘people are ignorant to the experiences they’ve not had’. So I will never fully understand the struggles that people of colour go through every day, because I am a white person. With that privilege, I will always have some ignorance in their struggles, because I have and will never experience them first hand myself. I’m so sorry Milo that you received so much hate whilst you were so young, I honestly can say you didn’t deserve one bit of it, same goes to Brennen.
I love the 2021 arc of young gnc trans youtubers who were once harassed en-masse now banding together as mature, thoughtful, powerful adults. Keep thriving, regents.
Damn, y'all are just talking about topics that affect your life or are raising awareness for something. Some people are really just trying to ruin others day cause', they don't know what to do with their own poor, miserable, lives.
i think whats really interesting about people like kalvin is how and how much they talk about their struggles that stem from their trans experience (like traumatically bad dysphoria and transphobic situations) while also showing a complete lack of understanding of people who express their gender journey differently. like you KNOW how hard it is to be different and have a trans experience AND you know that every trans experience is different how can you not understand that people are going to EXPRESS that difference and recognize that that is not only a valid thing to do but something people need support with not CRITICISM AND ABUSE.
to add onto that as well specifically about kalvin, hes expressed that hes struggled moving through a very NT world with ADHD. so if he really feels some need to criticise for some dumbfuck reason WHY cant he leave ableism out of it or better yet PROVIDE SUPPORT for ND people where possible?! spoiler alert: its cuz theyre ~bad people~
I was watching anti-SJW youtube for a while when I was around 13. I thought some f-ed up stuff back then and it's shameful to look back on, but I can't really remember hating people for their gender identity. I was bordering on it, but I never really got too far into transmedicalism and I never understood the need to go hate on people for the sake of it. I'm happy I know better now though, and that I understand myself and others better. It's been a journey and I'm glad I found my place and friends within LGBTQ+ spaces online and IRL. Thank you for speaking up and sharing your stories 💜/ A 17-year-old nonbinary trans guy
So I don't know if I'm the only person who experienced this from Kelvin but I'm a binary trans guy and I actually feel more dysphoria when I even think about expressing myself in a feminine or seemingly feminine way like being more submissive and things like that because of the way Kelvin treated "trans trendsers"
You aren’t alone on this one dude. I’m also a binary trans man but not only did his videos make my dysphoria worse but prevented me from coming out for five years in fear I was just a trender or had too much femininity to be taken seriously. I’m sure Kalvins comments takes up much more space in the heads of young trans people than we’d like to think about
Milo is probably one of the toughest people on RUclips, if not THE toughest. Most people would have called it quits, and the very people who mocked them get far more defensive over far less (Blaire White going on a small tangent over someone calling her hair extensions crusty.) If there could be a real life example of the 'Determinator' trope, Milo would be it.
I went through a rough patch when I first came out as trans. I had a lot of self hate and used to think that if I didn't despise myself or sacrifice my personal presentation in order for cis people to see me as a "real trans man" then I must have been "fake". It took me a long time to get out and realise that I'm allowed to present how I like and be who I feel comfortable being. I don't care about "passing" so much any more as I never felt comfortable with short hair or dressing in more blatantly "masculine" ways. I love long hair and theatricality and eccentric styles and I love my own styles. I'm so glad you two are still going and I have so much respect for you both. Thank you for being willing to talk about your experiences.
Commenting again but I've been listening to your streams as podcasts today and I had some thoughts as well. First of all, thank you both for that, it's really great to hear your voices unabashed (also, god it must have took you a long time to adjust your audio Brennen, that must have been a load of work, hope you can relax a bit!). What I think (in the transmed discourse, I don't know about the alt-right cis hets) was the goal was to make an example out of you and all the others. It was like pinning you to the wall and gathering everyone around to point and say : "Don't be like them, if you are then this happens!" and the audience was left with this bitter sentiment, "How do I know I'm not like them, then?". I was a lurker at the time, I just silently crept around RUclips, nodding my head at Kalvin's hateful tangents. I never said anything about it, never commented, I think, never crept my way onto the victim's channel even just to get a good look at what I shouldn't be like. I remember discovering Milo's and Ash's videos and thinking they made a lot of sense. I didn't have trouble understanding their points cognitively. I just couldn't be like them, because Kalvin and his geese had bored into my skull that I ought to be this perfect trans man : dysphoric, manly, conservative and removed to even be a man at all. You were examples and it worked. To this day my gender identity is still a blurry mess to me. I cannot stress enough the amount of euphoria I've felt lately since I started exploring my identity as non-binary. Nobody knows, my fiancé, my best friend, my family... Nobody knows I've been questioning because I can't bare to look at them and say "I'm non-binary". Even now, even after top surgery, even after many years of HRT, I cannot for the life of me tell the people I love that I discovered something new about myself, something exciting, because this RUclips guy my age bullied non-binary people off the internet under my very eyes. I'm searching for a new name, alone, when my fiancé is a call away and would give me so many ideas for nice names. This whole era of transmedicalism has scared me into the closet, it's roomier than pretending to be cis but it's still not me. Transmeds' undoing was that, by pinning you down on this wall for all to see, they gave you power. With all those eyes on you, you had the power to captivate a whole generation of mostly transmasculine peeps into waking from what has felt like a self hate fueled fever dream. I thank you sincerely for your voice, both of you and the many other creators that were affected. It is not an easy position to fill, I assume, that is to be the resurrected, looked upon as a model and serenaded with apologies from strangers. I once again, hope you're both okay, and I urge you to please take care 💜
@Abom1nalgirl2802 I'm sorry I don't understand your comment /g I get what you mean with the idea of "damage is done", I gave those RUclipsrs views which probably boosted the algorithm in its own degree. But I dont understand what you mean in the second paragraph. It sounds like you're saying I'm hurting transmed creators but I doubt that's what you mean. And I'm gonna tell it like I see it : "tucutes", people arguing for trans depath didn't and still don't have an evil agenda, they strive for acceptance and compassion. I can see why someone might think it can lead to bad consequences in its own right (although I don't) but even if it did, that's not something intentional on the part of the advocates. I used to see on Tumblr, people saying "A tucute harassed me!!" (even though there were many more instances of the opposite happening) and I don't mean to trivialise their trauma and pain but the person harassing wasn't representative of the whole entire depath movement. Whereas when you look at Kalvin, or any other transmeds creator for that matter, the idea of dehumanisation, harsh mockery and misgendering are integral to the movement. I know that as a mere lurker I probably was in the minority just from the sheer amount of Transmed Tumblr blogs, posts on posts about individuals from the other side. I'm not trying to argue that transmeds were and are bad people but that the movement itself tolerates and even has a dedicated space for dehumanisation of specific people with specific attributes. That said I don't know if you were trying to say that and I'm sorry if you didn't. The only thing is : please don't use psychopath and sociopath as insults, people diagnosed as such are vilified and dehumanised on a daily basis. Plus the diagnosis itself is questionable.
And from what I can tell, of Milo's harrassers, only Repzion apologized and of yours I don't think any have (the creators, not their subscribers, I know many of those apologized), so from the bottom of my heart, fuck those people.
im absolutely in love with you two. i was in the alt-right pipeline as a 11 to 14 year old but i began growing out of it as i moved schools, met new people and began ingaging in lgbtq+ spaces online. when people like you guys started speaking about about your experiences, i felt so guilty from contributing to your pain. it makes me so happy to see that you two are doing so well and have been raising awareness for other lgbtq+ people. youre both doing amazing work.
since there aren't a ton of comments yet i humbly request "the tiger doesn't know" merch for the third time. also i love you brennen. you make me happy to be non binary even when it gets hard
I watch ur livestreams a bit like background noise while drawing, I really like it. You should continue talking about all that stuff as much as ur comfortable doing so. Cause sadly, in a way, LGBTQ+ people are still struggling with harassment Online, and even in queer spaces sometimes.. You survived that, and it's inspiring. You can be proud. You can be loud.
Thank you for posting this here on youtube! But most importantly thank you for sharing your experience. I can't express in words how much creators like you two make the difference :)
i remember watching the video that was made about you right when it came out and i got sucked into the pipeline of anti-sjw garbage. i was an impressionable youth who just wanted to be accepted and i thought that the only way to be accepted was to tear others down. after so long of being stuck, i finally came out from a really dark place (as most ex-kalvin watchers tend to) and i’m really glad that i was able to pull myself out of the incredibly toxic and horrific mindset that forced me back in the closet for years. i used to think that i was cis just because i didn’t experience dysphoria exactly the same way as the popular trans youtubers of the time. it caused so much unnecessary pain for me. i know i was a part of the problem, but now i’m really striving to be a part of the solution. young trans kids really need good role models like you and milo so they don’t go down the same dark path that me and many others did. thank you so much for speaking up on this. it’s so so so important.
I actually remember when Daz Black had uploaded his video on Milo. I watched it as it came out, as I used to be a fan of his. I was very young at the time, I’m 18 now so you can do the math. At the time I didn’t see anything wrong with his reaction and the things he was saying. Watching Milo’s video opened my eyes to HOW BAD that video was. What baffles me the most was him comparing using they/them pronouns to schizophrenia?!?! Today, Milo and Brennen are an absolute inspiration to me as a trans masc nonbinary person and I love both of your content! Hope you are both thriving, love you both!
Recently found out that my own roommate is on the kalvin side of things and recently had to set a firm boundary and explain to him that gender policing is just bullying due to internalized transphobia.
I commented that on Milo's video (the one you linked) as well but I really appreciate how so many non binary and trans creators are supporting each other. I keep discovering new RUclipsrs all the time because someone I watch gives them a shoutout. I love the idea that all these smaller creators are banding together to educate people and to stand up against the hate with reasonable arguments and sources.
Hey Brennen! question, do you want to look for any artist for stills or thumbnails? I can recommend you some or even make some for you since I’m an artist myself! Thats if your interested of course :)
Im grateful to both of you for being open to talking about your experiences and to persisting through such vile and shitty treatment online. I can't speak enough to how seeing the way you were treated made me scared of my own gender non conformity and I really bullied myself and others bc of how intertwined transmedicalism became with anti sjw youtube. But both of you have clearly grown for the better as ppl while those stuck in anti sjw/transmed mindsets continue to be stuck in a cycle of harm
I want to apologize to the both of you for watching and supporting the people who made content about you over the years. Both of you are incredibly kind and strong, and I want to give both of you a big hug.
Thank you so much to both of you for having this/these conversation/s. As someone fairly active in the trans community online (though I never had a big following myself) I feel I failed to speak up against the harrassment that happened to others. I was terrified of becoming another target, because I live in a country where anyone can dox you in five seconds. For me this has been a time of reflecting on how I need to do better as a community member moving forward, and I wouldn’t have done this internal work if you all hadn’t come out to talk about your experiences. I admire your resilience so much, even though of course it’s not fair that you had to be so resilient.
I really enjoyed listening to your conversation! A lot of what you said really resonated with me as someone who also has trauma related to identity. I think it’s important to share experiences and learn and be open but also laugh and and connect over them!
Japanese anime woman slaughtered innocent people (Kai Schulen, Tanya Degurechaff, Gasai Yuno): "She literally did nothing wrong.", "Don't criticize her!" Western strong woman kills bad people (Abby, Nadine Ross, Reboot Lara Croft, Jess and Soph Blazkowicz): "WTF! THIS IS SJW!", "If you like her, You're feminazi!" Me: Oh my god... This is why I hate Anti-SJW, Weeaboo, Modern anime. Even worse, Weeaboo, Anti-SJW harassed the voice actors who played the characters they didn't like. Fuck, I'm never going to put Modern Weeaboo anime characters into the game when making games, and I'm not going to dubbing into Modern Weeaboo anime. If going to add a character, put it in a fake name like Pro Evolution Soccer. Good anime before 2015 put Naoki Miki similarly as Naono Maki, and Modern Anime put Tamaki Kotatsu as Mie Huton so that you can't recognize who is. Seriously, I hope that Uncharted, Last of Us, Wolfenstein voice actors will not participate in the Weeaboo anime.
33:08 Brennen you made an excellent point. Trauma really can/does manifest itself in so many ways, including how we present ourselves. I noticed your appearance change, too; especially how you toned down the colors. There was nothing wrong with how you looked before, and you still look great now. I remember going through sh*tty/traumatizing events, and i threw away all my clothes from that time, evem though they were comfortable and i liked them. Trauma literally lingers, and the people who inflict it upon you do not care that it leeches off of things you enjoy.
I'm not proud of it but I used to be an "anti SJW" until I regained my self respect in 2018. I also noticed several people leaving that toxic community
i enjoy you speaking up, as a nonbinary person i literally went back into the closet in 2017 wtf so yeah i came out again to my friends and partner this year because i see we were not wrong with our feeling about gender!!
A lot of what you're talking about here has made my realise why it was so hard to come to terms with the fact that I was non-binary as a teenager. I used to hide it and pretend it wasn't there because as a teen who was already bullied I felt that being openly non-binary was just adding a target to my back and opening myself up to the harassment I saw people like both of you receive online. I think a lot of us were scared. I admire both of you for getting through that and being yourself, and I'm so glad I'm at a place where I can be myself too.
I watched this on the first day of pride month lol. I've been strongly thinking about coming out as gender queer, but the problem is that I do generally like my femminine appearence, just not all the time. And honestly I'm terrified that I'm not "actually nonbinary" or "actually gender queer" and this video/live stream was honestly really comforting. You handled everything really well, and your philosophy of of advocating for people that includes Kalvin is really amazing. You're definitely one of the best people I've ever seen talk on this stuff.
It was wild seeing that Daz Black clip in there because I had completely forgotten about it but I did watch that video when it came out and am probably one of the likes on it, it's so confronting thinking back because I'm slightly younger than Milo and I remember at the time thinking like. "Well if I know better than to be saying this crazy stuff then they should too so it's okay to laugh at them right" as though I wasn't literally 16 years old and barely coping with being alive, I was miserable, I was obsessing over proving my gender identity because transmedicalism got mixed up with my OCD and made my entire life about proving how binary trans man I was, which was a problem since I'm an nb lesbian, and I was looking up to these "normal dude" RUclipsrs for reassurance and validation because I wanted to feel acceptable and while I never got the stage of actively bullying people or believing nonbinary people didn't exist I did still believe there was a line between acceptable queer and bad queer and that the bad queer people deserved ridicule. My line was harder to cross than other people's and it didn't take me long to give up on it completely, but it was there, and it was validated by adults that I trusted to do the right thing. It's messed up. I had to plan out my own death before I realised I couldn't live like that anymore. I'm sorry for everything I contributed to that hurt people like us and hurt Milo specifically (I avoided finding out about Brennen until after I'd left that mindset thank god), I'm glad you're both talking about it.
Damn, it hurts seeing Daz's vid in here...I don't feel like that's a response he'd make today, but it still remains the only video of his that seriously rubs me the wrong way. I kinda wish he'd delete it...Or make a response to himself.
I struggle so hard with constantly thinking I look/act too feminine for someone who is transmasc because of Kalvin and irl trans binary people I used to know. I'm trying so hard to see my self positively. All the nb creators I see online give me massive gender envy. I hope I can gain even a shred of the confidence y'all carry yourselves with onw day
I can't imagine the things you both went through, and it's amazing to see how much strenght you both found after all that sh*tstorm. I hope you and Milo are feeling better and safe ❤ also HAPPY PRIDE MONTH Y'ALL 🏳️🌈
The irony of now ‘ex-gay’ Milo Yiannopoulos calling Milo Stewart the most repellent failure of a human being he’s ever seen is not lost on me and nothing short of delicious
You want to talk about irony??? Biological females complain more than anybody, but they get away with that because they're biological females, but they complain more than anybody about what they benefit more than anybody from, sexism, inequality, double standards, advantages, and special treatment, but they get away that because they're females. Talk, about sexism, inequality, and double standards smh........ Talk about irony smh........ And biological females who are transgender males like Elliot (Ellen) Page and biological females who are nonbinary people who are like Milo Stewart and Brennan Beckwith have all of these flaws, double standards, and advantages that biological females have because, well, Milo and Brennan are biological females, and they won't admit it and they definitely won't complain about it because they benefit from these flaws, double standards, and advantages, but even though they benefit from and want to benefit from everything biological females benefit from they don't want to be labeled as biological females because they consider that to be hateful and disrespectful and discriminatory, 🤣🤣🤣🙄, so basically they want to have their cake and eat to also. Talk about inequality smh......... Talk about irony smh......... By the way, just a side note, if should be able to do and say whatever they want and be wherever they want dress how they want and look how they want and be with who they want and everyone is equal and should be treated equally and there shouldn't be any labels or generalizations or stereotypes or assumptions and there should are transgender females and transgender males and nonbinary people then we can and should completely eradicate political correctness and feminism. Just saying.
I almost entirely disagree with your believes and your worldview. But that’s okay. Go you for staying true to yourself and standing up for your believes in a respectful way.
No they didn’t, they were a 17 year old making a video about implicit biases with a slightly provocative title. They didn’t deserve every right wing reactionary jumping down their throat, insulting them, doxxing them, tearing them apart and making them feel unsafe.
@@sannegodijn301 they were harassed though, everythere online they got insulted, they got doxxed and threatned all the time. It was normal back in 2016 to just be Vile to them.
Brennen, you're so brave. I'm a demigirl who got harassed by a "real trans man" (he called himself that to insinuate I was faking being trans) at school. He would say, "Your existence fucking triggers me." I was so confused but I went quiet about my gender identity to avoid being a "snowflake"
He would purposefully talk shit about mogai/neopronouns and he/they lesbians in front of me, just to show me how much he hated us. He ran the GSA (gay straight alliance), so I stopped going. I missed that open, friendly environment, but pretty much everyone left when he took over.
Jesus Christ, he RAN it????? that sounds like an absolute nightmare and he should have been voted out and replaced. I’m so sorry you went through that.
That sounds like hell. When will assholes like him understand that not everyone experiences being trans the same way they do? I hope things got better for you. Thank you for still being here.
Wow that’s just straight up not ok! I bet he is also the type of person to say “life doesn’t come with a trigger warning” ugh he disgusts me!
he sounds like a fucking loser ngl
Sounded like he had a lot of issues and a bunch of shit that shouldn’t have been made your problem. I’m sorry u felt like you couldn’t stay in ur safe space. And I truly hope he can look back and feel sincerely apologetic because dAmn :,)
That burn of Milo (the conservative one) is so extremely true and legendary!
"At least one of us is still gay and allowed on twitter.com"
love how both of your hairs do a swoop just in different directions
i adore over the garden wall :')
It’s so amazing seeing you two going from being in horrible cringe comps to getting thousands of views and lots of love from the community that should’ve backed y’all from the beginning. Y’all are both so strong and awesome!
when i first came out as trans, my cis former "friends" would show me you and milos videos and tell me how horrible you were and how i should never be "that kind of trans person". but i related to you two so much and started watching your content on my own and genuinely feeling seen. you said things i did not yet know how to say. now without those people in my life anymore im much happier being a nonbinary trans man and im glad that you two are doing well and still making content. i dont know how you got through what you faced, i wouldnt have been able to cope with it
Why are you lying?
i used to be part of the anti-sjw wave but now i’ve discovered i’m more comfortable with she/they pronouns and relate to a lot of non-binary creators. i regret having to be a shitty person as a teen to get to this point.
you both are amazing and interesting people. keep on keeping on 💗
i love the fact that youedit and publish the livestreams like this, they are so intresting
I agree. It’s so difficult to rewatch some people’s streams when they are saying hi to everyone for like half the video and the beginning is so long. But this is nice!
Same. I don't have twitter so I tend to miss streams. These videos are great for catching up.
@@lavenderkoi4931 right. im sorry but i don’t want to watch a video of someone reading the chat for 60% of the video and going, “can you hear me? is my mic working?” every few minutes 🤷♀️
U two were the OG online nonbinaries
thank u both for inventing gender :)
You’re welcome :)
What??? What is this?
@@captainboner8371 a joke lol
Wtf do you mean inventing gender groomer??
We got to fix that like to dislike ratio for Milo.
For real, it sucks that their work has been targeted so much, but we can fix it!
I identified as nb transmasc until transmeds started attacking me on Instagram. I figured they must be right and I then went on to adopt their ideology and thought less of nonbinary people bc of it. I've since renounced that thinking and have reclaimed my nb identity and I just want to say I am so thankful for Brennen and Milo and others who've had to endure senseless hate bc of this situation
Used to be a Anti-SJW viewer and remember watching people attack Milo and wow it never hit me until now how much that time of my life screwed me up. I’m so sorry Milo although I never attacked you I did hate you but in reality I hated myself and my identity. I hope you both are doing so much better these days ^*^
this
Is Sparta?
@@himwhoisnottobenamed5427 Wouldn't you say that if non-binary people's mere existence offends you, that it is in fact you, who is being a whiny prat?
@@lorelei1350 sjw trash if you support them you too
@@rat2316 wut
Oh yeah I remember all those conservative channels. Despite their harassment and shitty videos they made on milo. Most of them are dead channels or dying channels yet you two are still here. Good job. I sure hope y’all is proud cuz I sure am.
god i dont know how either of you did it. literally have to have an S tier mental game in order to deal with the level of harassment y'all faced... and some of which years ago i supported, very regretfully. im very glad i was able to learn, process, and grow over the years. keep fighting the good fight, never give up, as cheesy as that sounds :)
I'm very mentally weak and I know for a fact that if this type of harassment was targeted towards me I wouldn't be able to handle it even a 1/4 as well as they did. Truly have god tier mental strength
Why did you stop going anti?
@@Aristocratic13 why did i stop being a trans med u mean?? i went to therapy and grew up past the age of 19, if u want the sassy answer lmao. the real answer is i just realized the very simple notion of some people enjoy many labels, they help ppl understand themselves, but also i dont have to use them for myself if i dont want to. i think i realized i felt so much pressure to understand everything at once and the knowledge barrier of being lgbt+ at the time was overwhelming and thus made me oddly angry?? i came from a sheltered, conservative background so of course i latched onto toxic conservative-placating ideologies like transmedicalism. i did research, i calmed down, and i realized that this ideology hurt literally everyone and had absolutely zero end goal. it is an endless cycle of agony towards all and the self. i dont need that shit in my life.
@@TheImagination96 Interesting... RUclips is a different place now. It’s gone through some phases
Haven't finished the video, but I am constantly baffled by the huge barrage of hate towards you both received for no reason. I can't imagine what yall went through, but it really is such amazing queer inspiration to see you both grow beyond that.
I remember Milo, I was 11/12 when that controversy went down with the whole ‘all white people are racist, all straight people are homophobic, cis people are transphobic’ video. At the time I honestly had no idea what Milo was talking about and followed the orders of popular commentary channels to get defensive in a ‘but I don’t think racist things so I can’t be’, but I get it now.
Although it wasn’t phrased in the best of ways (especially for a SJW-hating 2016 audience) it’s very much a ‘people are ignorant to the experiences they’ve not had’. So I will never fully understand the struggles that people of colour go through every day, because I am a white person. With that privilege, I will always have some ignorance in their struggles, because I have and will never experience them first hand myself.
I’m so sorry Milo that you received so much hate whilst you were so young, I honestly can say you didn’t deserve one bit of it, same goes to Brennen.
I love the 2021 arc of young gnc trans youtubers who were once harassed en-masse now banding together as mature, thoughtful, powerful adults. Keep thriving, regents.
Damn, y'all are just talking about topics that affect your life or are raising awareness for something. Some people are really just trying to ruin others day cause', they don't know what to do with their own poor, miserable, lives.
Periodt.
This
i think whats really interesting about people like kalvin is how and how much they talk about their struggles that stem from their trans experience (like traumatically bad dysphoria and transphobic situations) while also showing a complete lack of understanding of people who express their gender journey differently. like you KNOW how hard it is to be different and have a trans experience AND you know that every trans experience is different how can you not understand that people are going to EXPRESS that difference and recognize that that is not only a valid thing to do but something people need support with not CRITICISM AND ABUSE.
to add onto that as well specifically about kalvin, hes expressed that hes struggled moving through a very NT world with ADHD. so if he really feels some need to criticise for some dumbfuck reason WHY cant he leave ableism out of it or better yet PROVIDE SUPPORT for ND people where possible?!
spoiler alert: its cuz theyre ~bad people~
I was watching anti-SJW youtube for a while when I was around 13. I thought some f-ed up stuff back then and it's shameful to look back on, but I can't really remember hating people for their gender identity. I was bordering on it, but I never really got too far into transmedicalism and I never understood the need to go hate on people for the sake of it. I'm happy I know better now though, and that I understand myself and others better. It's been a journey and I'm glad I found my place and friends within LGBTQ+ spaces online and IRL. Thank you for speaking up and sharing your stories 💜/ A 17-year-old nonbinary trans guy
So I don't know if I'm the only person who experienced this from Kelvin but I'm a binary trans guy and I actually feel more dysphoria when I even think about expressing myself in a feminine or seemingly feminine way like being more submissive and things like that because of the way Kelvin treated "trans trendsers"
i don’t think you’re alone in that. unfortunately I’ve seen a lot of people say that they felt more dysphoric after watching kalvin’s content.
You aren’t alone on this one dude. I’m also a binary trans man but not only did his videos make my dysphoria worse but prevented me from coming out for five years in fear I was just a trender or had too much femininity to be taken seriously. I’m sure Kalvins comments takes up much more space in the heads of young trans people than we’d like to think about
Milo is probably one of the toughest people on RUclips, if not THE toughest. Most people would have called it quits, and the very people who mocked them get far more defensive over far less (Blaire White going on a small tangent over someone calling her hair extensions crusty.) If there could be a real life example of the 'Determinator' trope, Milo would be it.
I went through a rough patch when I first came out as trans. I had a lot of self hate and used to think that if I didn't despise myself or sacrifice my personal presentation in order for cis people to see me as a "real trans man" then I must have been "fake". It took me a long time to get out and realise that I'm allowed to present how I like and be who I feel comfortable being. I don't care about "passing" so much any more as I never felt comfortable with short hair or dressing in more blatantly "masculine" ways. I love long hair and theatricality and eccentric styles and I love my own styles. I'm so glad you two are still going and I have so much respect for you both. Thank you for being willing to talk about your experiences.
Commenting again but I've been listening to your streams as podcasts today and I had some thoughts as well.
First of all, thank you both for that, it's really great to hear your voices unabashed (also, god it must have took you a long time to adjust your audio Brennen, that must have been a load of work, hope you can relax a bit!).
What I think (in the transmed discourse, I don't know about the alt-right cis hets) was the goal was to make an example out of you and all the others. It was like pinning you to the wall and gathering everyone around to point and say : "Don't be like them, if you are then this happens!" and the audience was left with this bitter sentiment, "How do I know I'm not like them, then?".
I was a lurker at the time, I just silently crept around RUclips, nodding my head at Kalvin's hateful tangents. I never said anything about it, never commented, I think, never crept my way onto the victim's channel even just to get a good look at what I shouldn't be like.
I remember discovering Milo's and Ash's videos and thinking they made a lot of sense. I didn't have trouble understanding their points cognitively. I just couldn't be like them, because Kalvin and his geese had bored into my skull that I ought to be this perfect trans man : dysphoric, manly, conservative and removed to even be a man at all.
You were examples and it worked. To this day my gender identity is still a blurry mess to me. I cannot stress enough the amount of euphoria I've felt lately since I started exploring my identity as non-binary.
Nobody knows, my fiancé, my best friend, my family... Nobody knows I've been questioning because I can't bare to look at them and say "I'm non-binary". Even now, even after top surgery, even after many years of HRT, I cannot for the life of me tell the people I love that I discovered something new about myself, something exciting, because this RUclips guy my age bullied non-binary people off the internet under my very eyes.
I'm searching for a new name, alone, when my fiancé is a call away and would give me so many ideas for nice names. This whole era of transmedicalism has scared me into the closet, it's roomier than pretending to be cis but it's still not me.
Transmeds' undoing was that, by pinning you down on this wall for all to see, they gave you power. With all those eyes on you, you had the power to captivate a whole generation of mostly transmasculine peeps into waking from what has felt like a self hate fueled fever dream.
I thank you sincerely for your voice, both of you and the many other creators that were affected. It is not an easy position to fill, I assume, that is to be the resurrected, looked upon as a model and serenaded with apologies from strangers.
I once again, hope you're both okay, and I urge you to please take care 💜
@Abom1nalgirl2802 I'm sorry I don't understand your comment /g
I get what you mean with the idea of "damage is done", I gave those RUclipsrs views which probably boosted the algorithm in its own degree.
But I dont understand what you mean in the second paragraph. It sounds like you're saying I'm hurting transmed creators but I doubt that's what you mean.
And I'm gonna tell it like I see it : "tucutes", people arguing for trans depath didn't and still don't have an evil agenda, they strive for acceptance and compassion. I can see why someone might think it can lead to bad consequences in its own right (although I don't) but even if it did, that's not something intentional on the part of the advocates.
I used to see on Tumblr, people saying "A tucute harassed me!!" (even though there were many more instances of the opposite happening) and I don't mean to trivialise their trauma and pain but the person harassing wasn't representative of the whole entire depath movement.
Whereas when you look at Kalvin, or any other transmeds creator for that matter, the idea of dehumanisation, harsh mockery and misgendering are integral to the movement.
I know that as a mere lurker I probably was in the minority just from the sheer amount of Transmed Tumblr blogs, posts on posts about individuals from the other side. I'm not trying to argue that transmeds were and are bad people but that the movement itself tolerates and even has a dedicated space for dehumanisation of specific people with specific attributes.
That said I don't know if you were trying to say that and I'm sorry if you didn't.
The only thing is : please don't use psychopath and sociopath as insults, people diagnosed as such are vilified and dehumanised on a daily basis. Plus the diagnosis itself is questionable.
Milo’s laugh makes me happy 😊
I'm so glad to see you both still (or back) online and seemingly doing well now :)
And from what I can tell, of Milo's harrassers, only Repzion apologized and of yours I don't think any have (the creators, not their subscribers, I know many of those apologized), so from the bottom of my heart, fuck those people.
im absolutely in love with you two. i was in the alt-right pipeline as a 11 to 14 year old but i began growing out of it as i moved schools, met new people and began ingaging in lgbtq+ spaces online. when people like you guys started speaking about about your experiences, i felt so guilty from contributing to your pain. it makes me so happy to see that you two are doing so well and have been raising awareness for other lgbtq+ people. youre both doing amazing work.
since there aren't a ton of comments yet i humbly request "the tiger doesn't know" merch for the third time. also i love you brennen. you make me happy to be non binary even when it gets hard
I watch ur livestreams a bit like background noise while drawing, I really like it. You should continue talking about all that stuff as much as ur comfortable doing so. Cause sadly, in a way, LGBTQ+ people are still struggling with harassment Online, and even in queer spaces sometimes..
You survived that, and it's inspiring.
You can be proud. You can be loud.
Thank you for posting this here on youtube! But most importantly thank you for sharing your experience. I can't express in words how much creators like you two make the difference :)
much appreciated you upload these cutdown versions of livestreams
In 2016 I was subscribed to The Amazing Atheist, Sargon of Akkad, Armored Skeptic etc. Now I'm a nonbinary ancom :D
So, thank you, Brennen.
I mean, I was nonbinary then too, I just didn't know it.
i remember watching the video that was made about you right when it came out and i got sucked into the pipeline of anti-sjw garbage. i was an impressionable youth who just wanted to be accepted and i thought that the only way to be accepted was to tear others down. after so long of being stuck, i finally came out from a really dark place (as most ex-kalvin watchers tend to) and i’m really glad that i was able to pull myself out of the incredibly toxic and horrific mindset that forced me back in the closet for years. i used to think that i was cis just because i didn’t experience dysphoria exactly the same way as the popular trans youtubers of the time. it caused so much unnecessary pain for me.
i know i was a part of the problem, but now i’m really striving to be a part of the solution. young trans kids really need good role models like you and milo so they don’t go down the same dark path that me and many others did.
thank you so much for speaking up on this. it’s so so so important.
I actually remember when Daz Black had uploaded his video on Milo. I watched it as it came out, as I used to be a fan of his. I was very young at the time, I’m 18 now so you can do the math. At the time I didn’t see anything wrong with his reaction and the things he was saying. Watching Milo’s video opened my eyes to HOW BAD that video was. What baffles me the most was him comparing using they/them pronouns to schizophrenia?!?! Today, Milo and Brennen are an absolute inspiration to me as a trans masc nonbinary person and I love both of your content! Hope you are both thriving, love you both!
Recently found out that my own roommate is on the kalvin side of things and recently had to set a firm boundary and explain to him that gender policing is just bullying due to internalized transphobia.
I commented that on Milo's video (the one you linked) as well but I really appreciate how so many non binary and trans creators are supporting each other. I keep discovering new RUclipsrs all the time because someone I watch gives them a shoutout. I love the idea that all these smaller creators are banding together to educate people and to stand up against the hate with reasonable arguments and sources.
I can’t imagine going through this. Being online is my life- having that place become so hostile for me would have destroyed me
Hey Brennen! question, do you want to look for any artist for stills or thumbnails? I can recommend you some or even make some for you since I’m an artist myself! Thats if your interested of course :)
Im grateful to both of you for being open to talking about your experiences and to persisting through such vile and shitty treatment online. I can't speak enough to how seeing the way you were treated made me scared of my own gender non conformity and I really bullied myself and others bc of how intertwined transmedicalism became with anti sjw youtube. But both of you have clearly grown for the better as ppl while those stuck in anti sjw/transmed mindsets continue to be stuck in a cycle of harm
I'm living for the Avengers Background bro
I want to apologize to the both of you for watching and supporting the people who made content about you over the years. Both of you are incredibly kind and strong, and I want to give both of you a big hug.
Thank you so much to both of you for having this/these conversation/s. As someone fairly active in the trans community online (though I never had a big following myself) I feel I failed to speak up against the harrassment that happened to others. I was terrified of becoming another target, because I live in a country where anyone can dox you in five seconds. For me this has been a time of reflecting on how I need to do better as a community member moving forward, and I wouldn’t have done this internal work if you all hadn’t come out to talk about your experiences. I admire your resilience so much, even though of course it’s not fair that you had to be so resilient.
the fact that milo was 17 & endured such an onslaught of hate is harrowing.
WOOOO so excited. Love the stream highlights format tbh
I really enjoyed listening to your conversation! A lot of what you said really resonated with me as someone who also has trauma related to identity. I think it’s important to share experiences and learn and be open but also laugh and and connect over them!
Japanese anime woman slaughtered innocent people (Kai Schulen, Tanya Degurechaff, Gasai Yuno): "She literally did nothing wrong.", "Don't criticize her!"
Western strong woman kills bad people (Abby, Nadine Ross, Reboot Lara Croft, Jess and Soph Blazkowicz): "WTF! THIS IS SJW!", "If you like her, You're feminazi!"
Me: Oh my god...
This is why I hate Anti-SJW, Weeaboo, Modern anime. Even worse, Weeaboo, Anti-SJW harassed the voice actors who played the characters they didn't like.
Fuck, I'm never going to put Modern Weeaboo anime characters into the game when making games, and I'm not going to dubbing into Modern Weeaboo anime. If going to add a character, put it in a fake name like Pro Evolution Soccer. Good anime before 2015 put Naoki Miki similarly as Naono Maki, and Modern Anime put Tamaki Kotatsu as Mie Huton so that you can't recognize who is.
Seriously, I hope that Uncharted, Last of Us, Wolfenstein voice actors will not participate in the Weeaboo anime.
oh im only a few minutes in but i can already tell this video is an absolute banger
You two are so brave and went through so much things I cannot even imagine. Best wishes to both of you
33:08 Brennen you made an excellent point. Trauma really can/does manifest itself in so many ways, including how we present ourselves. I noticed your appearance change, too; especially how you toned down the colors. There was nothing wrong with how you looked before, and you still look great now. I remember going through sh*tty/traumatizing events, and i threw away all my clothes from that time, evem though they were comfortable and i liked them. Trauma literally lingers, and the people who inflict it upon you do not care that it leeches off of things you enjoy.
just here to say don't put so much pressure on yourself!!!! it's not the illusion of new content it's genuinely new content you're putting out ❤️❤️❤️
I'm not proud of it but I used to be an "anti SJW" until I regained my self respect in 2018. I also noticed several people leaving that toxic community
I’m glad you survived the lobotomy
So now your a sjw?
i enjoy you speaking up, as a nonbinary person i literally went back into the closet in 2017 wtf so yeah i came out again to my friends and partner this year because i see we were not wrong with our feeling about gender!!
A lot of what you're talking about here has made my realise why it was so hard to come to terms with the fact that I was non-binary as a teenager. I used to hide it and pretend it wasn't there because as a teen who was already bullied I felt that being openly non-binary was just adding a target to my back and opening myself up to the harassment I saw people like both of you receive online. I think a lot of us were scared.
I admire both of you for getting through that and being yourself, and I'm so glad I'm at a place where I can be myself too.
I watched this on the first day of pride month lol. I've been strongly thinking about coming out as gender queer, but the problem is that I do generally like my femminine appearence, just not all the time. And honestly I'm terrified that I'm not "actually nonbinary" or "actually gender queer" and this video/live stream was honestly really comforting. You handled everything really well, and your philosophy of of advocating for people that includes Kalvin is really amazing. You're definitely one of the best people I've ever seen talk on this stuff.
It was wild seeing that Daz Black clip in there because I had completely forgotten about it but I did watch that video when it came out and am probably one of the likes on it, it's so confronting thinking back because I'm slightly younger than Milo and I remember at the time thinking like. "Well if I know better than to be saying this crazy stuff then they should too so it's okay to laugh at them right" as though I wasn't literally 16 years old and barely coping with being alive, I was miserable, I was obsessing over proving my gender identity because transmedicalism got mixed up with my OCD and made my entire life about proving how binary trans man I was, which was a problem since I'm an nb lesbian, and I was looking up to these "normal dude" RUclipsrs for reassurance and validation because I wanted to feel acceptable and while I never got the stage of actively bullying people or believing nonbinary people didn't exist I did still believe there was a line between acceptable queer and bad queer and that the bad queer people deserved ridicule. My line was harder to cross than other people's and it didn't take me long to give up on it completely, but it was there, and it was validated by adults that I trusted to do the right thing. It's messed up. I had to plan out my own death before I realised I couldn't live like that anymore. I'm sorry for everything I contributed to that hurt people like us and hurt Milo specifically (I avoided finding out about Brennen until after I'd left that mindset thank god), I'm glad you're both talking about it.
keep it up, i love your content! talking about these things is really important
The name “Kalvin” reminds me of horses.. I don’t know why🤔
Damn, it hurts seeing Daz's vid in here...I don't feel like that's a response he'd make today, but it still remains the only video of his that seriously rubs me the wrong way. I kinda wish he'd delete it...Or make a response to himself.
i remember seeing daz's video during 2016 when i was just beginning to explore my gender identity and i think it really god damn stung
BrennenBeckwith? Brennen beck with who?
With Milo Stewart...
for the algorthm
How do you feel about her detranning? Without the protection of college groups and an insulated environment, reality slaps you hard in the face.
Brennen we love you 💖 You are so kind and brave 🥺
thank you for both speaking out and talking about this, i think this is important for everyone, and all of us who've gone through similar stuff
I respond to hate by comply ignoring it (when it's online). Block and or delete get out I do t want you here type of attitude
Too bad Milo was a child and got doxxed
you're literally such a baddie wow
I struggle so hard with constantly thinking I look/act too feminine for someone who is transmasc because of Kalvin and irl trans binary people I used to know. I'm trying so hard to see my self positively. All the nb creators I see online give me massive gender envy. I hope I can gain even a shred of the confidence y'all carry yourselves with onw day
i adore both of you, thank you for this
I can't imagine the things you both went through, and it's amazing to see how much strenght you both found after all that sh*tstorm. I hope you and Milo are feeling better and safe ❤ also HAPPY PRIDE MONTH Y'ALL 🏳️🌈
2 legends!
milos laugh tho
pog
Great discussion!
this brings a bunch of valid points
To you everything is Valid
The irony of now ‘ex-gay’ Milo Yiannopoulos calling Milo Stewart the most repellent failure of a human being he’s ever seen is not lost on me and nothing short of delicious
You want to talk about irony??? Biological females complain more than anybody, but they get away with that because they're biological females, but they complain more than anybody about what they benefit more than anybody from, sexism, inequality, double standards, advantages, and special treatment, but they get away that because they're females. Talk, about sexism, inequality, and double standards smh........ Talk about irony smh........ And biological females who are transgender males like Elliot (Ellen) Page and biological females who are nonbinary people who are like Milo Stewart and Brennan Beckwith have all of these flaws, double standards, and advantages that biological females have because, well, Milo and Brennan are biological females, and they won't admit it and they definitely won't complain about it because they benefit from these flaws, double standards, and advantages, but even though they benefit from and want to benefit from everything biological females benefit from they don't want to be labeled as biological females because they consider that to be hateful and disrespectful and discriminatory, 🤣🤣🤣🙄, so basically they want to have their cake and eat to also. Talk about inequality smh......... Talk about irony smh......... By the way, just a side note, if should be able to do and say whatever they want and be wherever they want dress how they want and look how they want and be with who they want and everyone is equal and should be treated equally and there shouldn't be any labels or generalizations or stereotypes or assumptions and there should are transgender females and transgender males and nonbinary people then we can and should completely eradicate political correctness and feminism. Just saying.
Gas
I am a anti-sjw and I love everybody
Who asked?
...?
@@cdur5091 kek
I almost entirely disagree with your believes and your worldview. But that’s okay. Go you for staying true to yourself and standing up for your believes in a respectful way.
No one asked, still doesn't justify harassing people for existing, non of what they said was wrong
@@Mrcleanfrfr What do you mean? That I harassed someone? I’d really like to know where.
There are no father figures in the comments.
:-)
no way could milo have passed as a 20+ y/o during that time.. it's a bullshit excuse either way but they looked even younger than 17
Polyamerous pony
School must have been rough for you.
It probably was given that some people like to pick on others for being different. :|
You got attacked for no reason but milo did kinda instigate an argument with their video lol
No they didn’t, they were a 17 year old making a video about implicit biases with a slightly provocative title. They didn’t deserve every right wing reactionary jumping down their throat, insulting them, doxxing them, tearing them apart and making them feel unsafe.
@@brennenbeckwith oh definitely. Never deserving of harassment.
@@brennenbeckwith reacting to the video and giving your opinion on it is not harrassement
I see Milo as a victim under Riley J Dennis
@@sannegodijn301 they were harassed though, everythere online they got insulted, they got doxxed and threatned all the time. It was normal back in 2016 to just be Vile to them.
How do you survive something that’s never killed anyone?
Gotta took it like a champ thanks for being the fun tidy lolcows ever 😂😂😂😂😂