Steam gauges is old school flyin! Not a thing wrong with that term--you obviously understood what he meant! Keep up the great work--80%vet here--you put out some good info I have been looking for on GI Bill and flying--the VA was once not paying at all then it was a small percentage to what it is now! Thanks for the info! Blue skies! Airborne!
@@Barstool_cub_driver Sir my last comment was intended for Bstiger.. not you. There is nothing wrong with the term "steam gauges" especially when yr flying a cub. Thank you GWOT Jeeper for making this video and I hope you make more......
The biggest issue though is guys need to be careful about what claims they file with the VA. It can come back to bite you and you may have to get a special issuance, a statement of demonstrated ability (SODA), or get denied all together. It's an unfortunate reality that with aviation you're only one medical away from a career change. Good information brother, keep them coming!
Hey brother, thanks for posting this video. I’ve been active duty for the last 8 and half years and now ready to move onto the 1st CivDiv 😂 So what I got from your video is that you recommend going to a traditional college first to get the PPL then transfer to a different school to get the other certifications? What I read online is that GI Bill and VR&E won’t cover the PPL portion. Does that mean go do the traditional college route first? Thanks again.
I recommend: 1. Use post 9/11 at a traditional college to get your PPL. 2. If you have a VA rating of greater than 10%, file for chapter 31 benefits (VR&E) AFTER you get your PPL. EXPECT A 6 month wait/lag time. So stay 9/11 until approved. 3. Depending on the college, PPL IS COVERED. You can check via the WEAMS System. Type “WEAMS VA” into a Google search bar.
alright, you got me at free as a veteran. only a few seconds in, but looking forward to the content. oh, keep that white fluffy stuff with you Brother.
Excellent information! Unfortunately, I got discharge 51 years ago from the Air Force. Paid out of pocket for my private while I was in. But it was cheap by comparison to today's costs! And my buddy owned the plane and was a CFI. More savings. And our GI Bill was pretty good back then. Best wishes on an aviation career!! I did not pursue mine, as no one, I mean no one was hiring pilots back in the mid '70s. Love the helmet! Practical, as well!
Lot's of questions about how this works... The school's handling of the fees is what matters. There's no reason to fund parts of the training yourself if you don't want to. It's all college dependent. If the school has flight fees under their normal school fees the VA will pay for the "fees". The VA will pay for all public school fees associated with a degree giving program, either Part 61 or part 141, the part doesn't matter. The easiest way to do this for free is going to a college that offers aviation and also with a college that has funds allocated in such a way that the VA will pay. A school that says "The VA won't pay for XYZ course" is ignorant. That's a school allocation of funds/fees problem, not a VA problem. If you don't want to go to college, then you'll need to pay for some stuff yourself. Otherwise, find a college that works with the fees and get everything for free while you can.
USAF vet here. I was in from 80 - 83. When I was in we had VEAP. Where you contributed one dollar and the government kicked in $2. Practically a non existent GI Bill.
I’m not sure about other states but in Wisconsin, I was given the post 911 GI bill and the Wisconsin GI bill. I know some people think they have exhausted their benefits, you might have more than you think
I guess since I am a veteran from the 80's I am out of luck here. The VEAP was a joke. I am paying out of pocket for part 61, and it's shockingly expensive.
Do you have any GI bill left? If you do, that will also support you at any part 141 college/university. The money will be deposited directly to you and you’ll be responsible for paying it instead. Normally the 9/11 GI bill directly pays the school.
@@Barstool_cub_driver Nope - my service dates of 1980 to 1986 predates the new GI bill. We had the Veterans Education Assistance Program (VEAP) back then. You put money into the account, and they matched a part of it - sorta' like an education 401K. I think they cashed me out at EAOS. Only a piddling sum - and since I wasn't enrolled in a college program I only got back what I had in it - around $2,700 as I recall.
Hey Brother, It has been my dream to get my license and possibly even do this as a career. BUT! I can not find a collage around Virginia that says they include privet pilots license, some programs say they do offer it but I have to pay for it myself, everyone that I have called has told me so far that I have to pay for that on my own. HOW do I find a collage that will let you do what you have done with the GI Bill? I am determined and want to do this.
Go check out the “RTAG” group on FB. They have a file on their page that has EVERY part 141 flight school in the country that has a flight program. It will also include if they have an A&P program. It will show which schools accept GI bill for your PPL and which don’t. If you need further help, follow me on instagram @barstool_cub_driver and send me a DM. I’ll help you.
@@Barstool_cub_driver thanks for the reply, thats not so bad considering that the VA is covering most. I have seen coments from other people taking up to 9 months at this school for ppl.
@@Barstool_cub_driver thanks for this info! Ive been tryna find a way back into flyin as I just need a refresh--ive got all the requirements met for Pvt Pilot ticket except need to take the written again and get my medical! And Im near Liberty University which has an aviation school! Will be following your info!
@Tim Knaak I ran through the same deal..VA would only pay a certain small percentage several yrs ago---things have changed! For the better obviously! Im gonna explore this locally at a Part 141 flight school
Great video . Aircrew going from MEB and my question is “ is it best to apply for first class now or wait until I get my ratings to see if hay special issuances ill need ?”
In order to do any FAA flying you’ll need a medical (minimum 3rd class). My recommendation would be to get the medical as soon as possible BEFORE the MEB is final. During the medical exam they’ll ask you if you’ve been discharged or medically retired. You can still answer “no” to that until you’ve been handed a dd214.
@@Barstool_cub_driver yea that’s what I’m wondering because my third class is still valid until February from before I enlisted but I don’t want to get a first class now so and then the second I discharge medically have to go get a whole new medical again and wait to wait anyway for a SI
I’m active duty and trying to start my PPL. I don’t want to wait until I get out to go to a Part 141 school full-time. If get my PPL before I get out, I’ll have a head star and I’ll use my GI bill for the rest of my training. Do you know of any way I can cut costs since I’ll be paying out of pocket?
Study and don’t repeat any lessons. Your other option is to find a school (part 61) that offers flying lessons in a light sport aircraft (LSA) for your PPL,something like an RV-12. Additionally you can get your PPL checkride covered via the VA - see the WEAMS video (part 2) I posted.
So when you went to school were you required to get an associates or bachelors degree while pursuing your ratings? Or did you use the Post 9/11 GI Bill for just the ratings? Im looking at separating from the Air Force next year after 11 years but I already have a Bachelors Degree. So I would like to avoid having to start another one if I can.
You can go for an associates so long as the school has the program. I’m currently working through most of the bachelors for the ratings though (not actually finishing). I started with post 9/11. VRE provides some extra added benefits. I’m slowly working on a video update to everything but the cub is currently in maintenance.
There isn’t a ton of money in it compared to the major airline job positions. I’m slowly working out a plan to offer rides in the cub for kids at airshows next yet. It’s not a for sure thing yet, but I’m looking into it.
flying cargo is also good money. but u need to rock your way up from small cargo caries to being a FedEx pilot. and FedEx pilots make as much as an airline pilot flying international.
@@Barstool_cub_driver currently attending Liberty University and through them a part 141 that’s local. Even qualifies for the 1000 hour R-ATP. But have been told by just about every college that the VA doesn’t pay for the PPL.
@@Barstool_cub_driver Do you know if there is a way to use an old GI Bill? I got out in 1995 and back then they wouldn't let us use it for anything other that college. I never used it and it had a expiration date I guess.. I wish it was forever until its used up. I didnt't know if there was a way to still tap into this that I don't know about.
Im about to retire with 20 years in. I already have my degree via TA, and want to use my GI bill for private pilot. I was always told the GI bill would only cover upgrades to the license after already having a PPL. If I understand you correctly, I have to find a college that offers a PPL as part of their curriculum? Does the flying cost extra or is it part of the tuition? I dont want to earn another degree .. Just wanna fly.
You would enroll in a college that has PPL as part of their curriculum. You’d have a flight lab (where you’d fly) and a ground school class (prepare you to take the written). You could take the class and the lab, then “drop out” of college.
So you use the GI bill and start with part 141 school and after successfully getting your private license you switch to a part 61 school to continue your training using VRE am I understanding you correctly?
I’m at liberty right now using my GI Bill, you don’t need your PPL to start but the VA doesn’t cover the PPL anymore according to Liberty. You might be able to use VR&E for it though. You can also use education loans from FAFSA thou
It depends. Your current length of service plays a factor. Additionally, guardsmen typically may only use 60% of the full GI bill, with the exception being if you have prior active duty time. So you’ll have to come out of pocket more - but comparatively 60% is better than having to pay for all of it.
Going to a university/college with a pilot program under part 141 means you can actually get your license as low as 35 hours. A part 61 school is not eligible for lower hour minimums.
The helmet is a team Wendy SAR, and I bought the setup from Sky Cowboy Supply Company. I had to buy the headset separately from fb marketplace - lightspeed Zulu’s.
It seems very dangerous to have a radio just flopping around the cockpit... For me, I would want a different camera position and not just pointed at you. The view out the sides were nice though. Sorry, Just my opinion. Take care, Be safe.
I would keep the helmet as long as it doesn't restrict your visibilty. Transport pilots, helicopter pilots, motorcyclists, bicyclists, mountain climbers, contact sports players, and may others wear them too, not just fighter pilots. It's protecting your brain so you don't become a goofy ass brain dead cripple, or worse. Safety first, wear a helmet.
What do you know about wearing a helmet Jake? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!! I bet you don’t know the difference between a magneto and a carburetor much less install either one.
@@joedaviss9448 yep you caught me ik nothing. A magneto and a carb is an awfully weird thing to compare for someone who's so smart a stator or alternator would have been a better example... I stand by what I said it's pretty goofy to use a full helmet if your not doing bush flying or in a rotorcraft with a lot of background noise. If he's just living his dream of being a fighter pilot more power to him still a bit goofy tho
Sir you clearly don’t know anything about ag flying. Especially if you think drones will replace them with in our lifetime or even our grandchildren’s lifetime.
Don't use the term "steam gauges" as the correct term is analog gauges. It is analog instruments versus digital instruments.
Steam gauges is old school flyin! Not a thing wrong with that term--you obviously understood what he meant! Keep up the great work--80%vet here--you put out some good info I have been looking for on GI Bill and flying--the VA was once not paying at all then it was a small percentage to what it is now! Thanks for the info! Blue skies! Airborne!
its nice to have a know it all on youtube. I bet you dont know the difference between a mag and a carburetor........much less how to install them.
@@joedaviss9448 are you talking to me or the guy above?
@@Barstool_cub_driver Sir my last comment was intended for Bstiger.. not you. There is nothing wrong with the term "steam gauges" especially when yr flying a cub. Thank you GWOT Jeeper for making this video and I hope you make more......
@@joedaviss9448 anytime dude! I’m trying to finish another video right now. Hopefully out tonight. 🤞
mans really educating people while flying a plane, shouts out to you bro, 13F army here. cheers
My man. Get yourself in a plane.
The biggest issue though is guys need to be careful about what claims they file with the VA. It can come back to bite you and you may have to get a special issuance, a statement of demonstrated ability (SODA), or get denied all together. It's an unfortunate reality that with aviation you're only one medical away from a career change.
Good information brother, keep them coming!
Great information dude! Keep up the great work. 👏🏾👌🏾
Appreciate it!
I used the G.I. Bill to get my commercial, CFI, CFII,
How? Did you have a degree before?
Did it cover your PPL too? What’s the process?
@brayaniraheta8333 find a part 141 school that GI bill accepts and get your private before hand
Hey brother, thanks for posting this video. I’ve been active duty for the last 8 and half years and now ready to move onto the 1st CivDiv 😂
So what I got from your video is that you recommend going to a traditional college first to get the PPL then transfer to a different school to get the other certifications? What I read online is that GI Bill and VR&E won’t cover the PPL portion. Does that mean go do the traditional college route first? Thanks again.
I recommend:
1. Use post 9/11 at a traditional college to get your PPL.
2. If you have a VA rating of greater than 10%, file for chapter 31 benefits (VR&E) AFTER you get your PPL. EXPECT A 6 month wait/lag time. So stay 9/11 until approved.
3. Depending on the college, PPL IS COVERED. You can check via the WEAMS System. Type “WEAMS VA” into a Google search bar.
alright, you got me at free as a veteran. only a few seconds in, but looking forward to the content. oh, keep that white fluffy stuff with you Brother.
Excellent information! Unfortunately, I got discharge 51 years ago from the Air Force. Paid out of pocket for my private while I was in. But it was cheap by comparison to today's costs! And my buddy owned the plane and was a CFI. More savings.
And our GI Bill was pretty good back then.
Best wishes on an aviation career!! I did not pursue mine, as no one, I mean no one was hiring pilots back in the mid '70s.
Love the helmet! Practical, as well!
You should see if there’s space for a tube to carry that heated air back to your seat, unless that breaks some rule with certified aircraft
Lot's of questions about how this works... The school's handling of the fees is what matters. There's no reason to fund parts of the training yourself if you don't want to. It's all college dependent. If the school has flight fees under their normal school fees the VA will pay for the "fees". The VA will pay for all public school fees associated with a degree giving program, either Part 61 or part 141, the part doesn't matter. The easiest way to do this for free is going to a college that offers aviation and also with a college that has funds allocated in such a way that the VA will pay. A school that says "The VA won't pay for XYZ course" is ignorant. That's a school allocation of funds/fees problem, not a VA problem. If you don't want to go to college, then you'll need to pay for some stuff yourself. Otherwise, find a college that works with the fees and get everything for free while you can.
USAF vet here. I was in from 80 - 83. When I was in we had VEAP. Where you contributed one dollar and the government kicked in $2. Practically a non existent GI Bill.
I’m not sure about other states but in Wisconsin, I was given the post 911 GI bill and the Wisconsin GI bill. I know some people think they have exhausted their benefits, you might have more than you think
Yeah, some states have their own local GI bill. They’d have to check individually on their own states benefits.
I guess since I am a veteran from the 80's I am out of luck here. The VEAP was a joke. I am paying out of pocket for part 61, and it's shockingly expensive.
Do you have any GI bill left? If you do, that will also support you at any part 141 college/university. The money will be deposited directly to you and you’ll be responsible for paying it instead. Normally the 9/11 GI bill directly pays the school.
@@Barstool_cub_driver Nope - my service dates of 1980 to 1986 predates the new GI bill. We had the Veterans Education Assistance Program (VEAP) back then. You put money into the account, and they matched a part of it - sorta' like an education 401K. I think they cashed me out at EAOS. Only a piddling sum - and since I wasn't enrolled in a college program I only got back what I had in it - around $2,700 as I recall.
It was a joke. We were robbed.
Exactly right, I got half way through and had to drop out... although theirs plenty of loans to be had I didn't want to go that route....
Hey Brother, It has been my dream to get my license and possibly even do this as a career. BUT! I can not find a collage around Virginia that says they include privet pilots license, some programs say they do offer it but I have to pay for it myself, everyone that I have called has told me so far that I have to pay for that on my own. HOW do I find a collage that will let you do what you have done with the GI Bill? I am determined and want to do this.
Go check out the “RTAG” group on FB. They have a file on their page that has EVERY part 141 flight school in the country that has a flight program. It will also include if they have an A&P program. It will show which schools accept GI bill for your PPL and which don’t.
If you need further help, follow me on instagram @barstool_cub_driver and send me a DM. I’ll help you.
@@Barstool_cub_driver with your approach of doing the PPL at a 141 with the GI Bill, how long did it take?
@@jpo7008 it took me 6 months. That includes bad weather and me canceling a couple lessons due to family obligations and being sick.
@@Barstool_cub_driver thanks for the reply, thats not so bad considering that the VA is covering most. I have seen coments from other people taking up to 9 months at this school for ppl.
Liberty University includes the PPL but you might have to use FAFSA loans to supplement it
I didn’t know you could get your private as a veteran. I got into this loophole saying I got to get my private first 🤦♂️ so glad that got cleared up
Yup. Next video I’ll post in the description what 141 schools are available and, how to get your other ratings through VR&E.
@@Barstool_cub_driver thanks for this info! Ive been tryna find a way back into flyin as I just need a refresh--ive got all the requirements met for Pvt Pilot ticket except need to take the written again and get my medical! And Im near Liberty University which has an aviation school! Will be following your info!
@Tim Knaak I ran through the same deal..VA would only pay a certain small percentage several yrs ago---things have changed! For the better obviously! Im gonna explore this locally at a Part 141 flight school
Fighter pilot mode *ENGAGED* ... I am using this on my check ride. thanks!
Haha. Anytime!
Great video keep posting !
Thanks! I’m working on 3-4 more right now 😏😉
So if I already have a bachelors degree I’m screwed?
No. You can go back at anytime and use any remaining GI bill.
Thank you for your service!
Great video . Aircrew going from MEB and my question is “ is it best to apply for first class now or wait until I get my ratings to see if hay special issuances ill need ?”
In order to do any FAA flying you’ll need a medical (minimum 3rd class). My recommendation would be to get the medical as soon as possible BEFORE the MEB is final. During the medical exam they’ll ask you if you’ve been discharged or medically retired. You can still answer “no” to that until you’ve been handed a dd214.
@@Barstool_cub_driver yea that’s what I’m wondering because my third class is still valid until February from before I enlisted but I don’t want to get a first class now so and then the second I discharge medically have to go get a whole new medical again and wait to wait anyway for a SI
@@senorchocolate renew your medical now for at least a 2nd class (required by VA standards).
@@Barstool_cub_driver wilco, thanks
I’m active duty and trying to start my PPL. I don’t want to wait until I get out to go to a Part 141 school full-time. If get my PPL before I get out, I’ll have a head star and I’ll use my GI bill for the rest of my training. Do you know of any way I can cut costs since I’ll be paying out of pocket?
Study and don’t repeat any lessons. Your other option is to find a school (part 61) that offers flying lessons in a light sport aircraft (LSA) for your PPL,something like an RV-12.
Additionally you can get your PPL checkride covered via the VA - see the WEAMS video (part 2) I posted.
@@Barstool_cub_driver thanks a lot for the tip, I’ll look into it.
I'm active duty doing the same thing
@@Peteiredale8812 cool man, how far along are you?
So when you went to school were you required to get an associates or bachelors degree while pursuing your ratings? Or did you use the Post 9/11 GI Bill for just the ratings? Im looking at separating from the Air Force next year after 11 years but I already have a Bachelors Degree. So I would like to avoid having to start another one if I can.
You can go for an associates so long as the school has the program. I’m currently working through most of the bachelors for the ratings though (not actually finishing). I started with post 9/11. VRE provides some extra added benefits. I’m slowly working on a video update to everything but the cub is currently in maintenance.
army vet here curious about a job as a small aircraft trips or events or logistics for good money
There isn’t a ton of money in it compared to the major airline job positions. I’m slowly working out a plan to offer rides in the cub for kids at airshows next yet. It’s not a for sure thing yet, but I’m looking into it.
@@Barstool_cub_driver ahh ill stick with my IT career then decent money and easy work.
@@KaiserDragonTV you can make good money doing sight seeing tours or being a ferry pilot, but the real money is in the airlines.
flying cargo is also good money. but u need to rock your way up from small cargo caries to being a FedEx pilot. and FedEx pilots make as much as an airline pilot flying international.
So awesome was thinking of just do the same. Thanks
Huh... can't get the VA to pay for my PPL... been paying out of pocket.
You need to attend a college that is considered a part 141 school AND has PPL as a core class.
@@Barstool_cub_driver currently attending Liberty University and through them a part 141 that’s local. Even qualifies for the 1000 hour R-ATP. But have been told by just about every college that the VA doesn’t pay for the PPL.
That's only if the university owns the planes. If they contract out then VA will not pay for ppl.
@@sethalton205 the VA covered it at k-state.
@@Barstool_cub_driver Do you know if there is a way to use an old GI Bill? I got out in 1995 and back then they wouldn't let us use it for anything other that college. I never used it and it had a expiration date I guess.. I wish it was forever until its used up. I didnt't know if there was a way to still tap into this that I don't know about.
You gotta bring back the sniper podcast
That chances of that are fairly slim.
Im about to retire with 20 years in. I already have my degree via TA, and want to use my GI bill for private pilot. I was always told the GI bill would only cover upgrades to the license after already having a PPL. If I understand you correctly, I have to find a college that offers a PPL as part of their curriculum? Does the flying cost extra or is it part of the tuition? I dont want to earn another degree .. Just wanna fly.
You would enroll in a college that has PPL as part of their curriculum. You’d have a flight lab (where you’d fly) and a ground school class (prepare you to take the written). You could take the class and the lab, then “drop out” of college.
@@Barstool_cub_driver Interesting idea. I'll look into it. If that's possible that's sounds like a perfect fit for me.
@@Barstool_cub_driver How did you avoid (or did you?) paying back GI Bill payments to the VA?? Thanks!
@@historysattic9112 you don’t have to pay back anything to your GI bill?
Thanks for the info man
So you use the GI bill and start with part 141 school and after successfully getting your private license you switch to a part 61 school to continue your training using VRE am I understanding you correctly?
No
Opposite, part 61 to get your PPL (might be out of pocket) then a part 141 and use the GI Bill
I asked Liberty University but to start the program they are asking for my PPL and them start. 😢
I’m at liberty right now using my GI Bill, you don’t need your PPL to start but the VA doesn’t cover the PPL anymore according to Liberty. You might be able to use VR&E for it though. You can also use education loans from FAFSA thou
LU is kind of a crap program. I would watch my other videos that show how to find a college that will cover your PPL.
@@doc_pyro_av8r105 Sounds like a school problem, not a VA funding problem.
Awesome brother
Does this apply if you are still in the Ari National Guard / Army national guard?
It depends. Your current length of service plays a factor. Additionally, guardsmen typically may only use 60% of the full GI bill, with the exception being if you have prior active duty time. So you’ll have to come out of pocket more - but comparatively 60% is better than having to pay for all of it.
@@Barstool_cub_driver and you said, aim for university/college program for your ppl ? Why is that ?
Going to a university/college with a pilot program under part 141 means you can actually get your license as low as 35 hours. A part 61 school is not eligible for lower hour minimums.
I know a vet that wants me to train him. Can he use the grant to train with me part 61 ?
No. It needs to be part of a part 141 program.
What type of helmet with adapted head phones is that??
The helmet is a team Wendy SAR, and I bought the setup from Sky Cowboy Supply Company. I had to buy the headset separately from fb marketplace - lightspeed Zulu’s.
My GI Bill is used up. I have over 10%, will the VRE cover private pilot certificate?
No it will not UNLESS you can find part 141 college flight program that includes PPL as part of their requirements to graduate.
I'm not 100% sure but from what I understand VR&E is only good if it's used BEFORE your GI bill is exhausted. Might want to look into that.
can i get my ppl out if pocket then use gi bill for the rest up to comercial?
@@alexcelis5693 yes. You’ll need to do a “ checkout” though with the school for their insurance purposes.
Did you get CFI rated while at KSU?
Not yet, but I will.
It seems very dangerous to have a radio just flopping around the cockpit...
For me, I would want a different camera position and not just pointed at you. The view out the sides were nice though. Sorry, Just my opinion.
Take care,
Be safe.
I’ve thought about where to put the radio many times. For now though, it’s in the seat back pocket.
You trying to put bazookas on your piper lol
You say that like it hasn’t already been researched. Lol.
@@Barstool_cub_driver 🤣🤣🤣
Are you able to get your commercial pilot license with a VA disability rating?
Yes you can.
Are you playing fighter pilot or bush pilot today? Lmao loose the goofy ass helmet buddy other than that good video
I would keep the helmet as long as it doesn't restrict your visibilty. Transport pilots, helicopter pilots, motorcyclists, bicyclists, mountain climbers, contact sports players, and may others wear them too, not just fighter pilots.
It's protecting your brain so you don't become a goofy ass brain dead cripple, or worse.
Safety first, wear a helmet.
What do you know about wearing a helmet Jake? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!! I bet you don’t know the difference between a magneto and a carburetor much less install either one.
@@joedaviss9448 yep you caught me ik nothing.
A magneto and a carb is an awfully weird thing to compare for someone who's so smart a stator or alternator would have been a better example... I stand by what I said it's pretty goofy to use a full helmet if your not doing bush flying or in a rotorcraft with a lot of background noise. If he's just living his dream of being a fighter pilot more power to him still a bit goofy tho
have you considered being an AG pilot? great video
I have considered it many times. Unfortunately, it’s a little hard to get into and most companies in my state already have pilots.
Ag flying is a dying industry as manned ag planes are slowly being replaced with drones.
Sir you clearly don’t know anything about ag flying. Especially if you think drones will replace them with in our lifetime or even our grandchildren’s lifetime.
Did you get CFI rated while at KSU?
I have not yet. I will though. In the spring I should be starting CFI.