I'm rocking a 6-year-old laptop and feels new like yesterday! 3 years is nothing for a laptop! How did it come out so cheap 3000$->200$ with only a screen damage ?! 😂
@@NotNagruf I dunno haha. Still using a 2011 Toshiba laptop and a ThinkPad T430 from 2012. Thanks to Linux they boot even faster than my Win10 desktop.
Yes, those "WORKSTATION" notebook is truly amazing. When I was working at a small office 15 years ago, I bought many years old "Workstation" PC and replace HDD and give it to employees to use, Those Lenovo "Workstation" never failed me. Truly amazing!! I also bought one P50 and two P70 for all around $235-$250 after NVMe upgrade and some RAM move around (I only need 16G RAM). P models are just high quality machines. I use P70 (17.3") add 15.6" monitor to the side (no space for bigger monitor) and my wife use P50. She uses two external 24" monitors, so she doesn't use the P50 monitor. I think 15" monitor is just too small for home use and those "Workstation Laptop" just too heavy for travel with you. The storages and ports option of P70 is really amazing. For $250, I will choose P70. People don't take "workstation" to anywhere, most of them fix to desk with dock and power connect to it, I got over 80% battery life left, meaning I probably never will have to buy replacement battery not that I use the battery (disconnect and remove the battery.)
The E500 series is great as well. Bought mine 2019 for university to do basic engineering stuff. (don't need CAD). Still trucks along fine. It is a E595, because I like AMD.
If you contact a seller before their warranty window closes but they decide to not respond to you before it runs out it should be an easy court case to get your money back and a working screen
Thanks for the info. Thankfully I paid via PayPal, they sorted it all out. Some may dislike them but I've always had good experiences and this is a great example.
Could also work with a credit card dispute and completely justified what you did and PayPal did the right thing, sucks to receive faulty parts and then reseller ghosting.
@@Sphyxx I made a big mistake buying from Ebay using my bank directly since they didn't care and its much harder and ebay buyers protection of 30 days is useless because it can literally take that long just to deliver it to my country. So yes lesson learned losing 170 euros. Seller was a scammer and Ebay barely cared even though he had scammed many other people he used fake listing images too..
I live in the Dominican Republic and is what I do as a side business. I've purchased maybe 50 laptops so far from 6th to 12th gen, mostly all below $100 and none over $200USD. I use a Courier service witha Miami addrss and pay between $15 and $20 delivered to my house.
@@cephacoreI do a lot of virtualization lol. I have to be able to virtualize an enterprise level infrastructure to test network security and web application lol.
@cephacore to be honest I would of ran a 32GB config. In intel cpus when running 2 sticks of different sizes it goes into flex mode instead of dual channel. Its like 1.5 channel somewhere in the middle. So there is performance left on the table. other than that it was a good buy.
I won't lie, this was actually a really good video, well structured and clear and concise in what you were saying. GOOD JOB. I cant wait to see what you do next! (pls remember me)
Im going to Uni next school year, and my high school gives us our laptops once they reflash them, however I do not want a laptop that struggles opening Spotify to do Software engineering classes on. I've been looking for a very good bang for your buck laptop, and I think I might have my answer. Thanks man!
Good video. Been watching for a few weeks now and I love the reviews and experiences on less expensive slightly older thinkpads. Only thing I would have liked to see in this video was a performance comparison on the gpu to other gpus, perhaps to other 4GB ones like the 1650.
Hey I have this same model of laptop, the performance you can expect in gaming is around a mx450 but without the memory limitations, so it does run certain games very well, but it’s dGPU is being beat out today by iGPUs but for 200 dollars or if you can get it for a similar price isn’t bad.
I had the same problem buying LCD panels, I got a defective one and the seller had this sneaky clause where it said they could have up to 7 stuck pixels, however the display they sold me looked like a Christmas tree and had like over 20 stuck pixels randomly scattered over the whole panel.
Wow, that's really a steal price for a P14! Especially good to see that PayPal ruled in your favour. I got one of these bad boys from Lenovo on clearance for $800 last year and it's been a real workhorse. My old laptop I've used for many years has an I7-6700HQ and a GTX970M, but I've found the P14 beats it everywhere from everyday tasks to even gaming (albeit it does get pretty hot on the latter). Here's to hoping our machines last a good long time.
ThinkPad workstations are amazing. I literally daily drive a P52 with a Quadro P3200 and it's insane how well it does in day to day tasks. Just wish the battery life was better...
If you don't need the full CPU power when mobile, use "ThrottleStop" to throttle the CPU down to like 10W. Disabling CPU turbo is a one-click setting to.
In case anyone wonders, the nvidia T500 is essentially just a rebadged desktop GTX 1650 with lower clockspeeds (to push power consumption down a bit further). Every single other spec is identical.
Also it wouldn't have gaming drivers, so performance in games would be lacking, however it could still definitely handle minecraft and terraria, or other lower end games to waste a lunch break on
@@ricedbroccoli whether you install the studio divers or gaming ones doesn't matter much in terms of performance. Hell you can force-install the regular gaming ones on quadro cards if you really want to... the GPU itself is essentially the same so it works either way
Great video, this is the kind of action and love these devices deserve. Its quite common to find perfectly working first gen L14s with Ryzen PRO 4650U processors here with minor faults for 150-200€ and I find it the best bang for buck imaginable.
Hey man gread vid! I was wondering if you'd consider doing a giveaways on one of your ThinkPads..?? I'd love to get my hands on a Workstation like this and rock it with Linux!
Nice improvement on your lighting. Also, did you notice the CPU temp while playing minecraft? That thing looked like it was hitting 100 C. A bit toasty in my book. I know it's not that old, but maybe some new thermal paste?
@@cephacoremy workplace gave me a p16s, as I have local admin permissions I like to use throttleStop to throttle the CPU down to 10W when I'm mobile. When running at above 45W it gets really hot without the fans going full speed so I installed "TPFan control" to run the fans faster.
@@cephacore somehow the quality of thermal paste chances the thermals all together for Laptops. Clean the fans further and chance the thermal paste to an MX4 or something high quality
great video tbh. I don't know how you don't have more subs like your videos are really well made, keep on the good work you will make it to the top AND WAIT DONT FORGET ABOUT ME WHEN YOU'RE POPULAR😅
2:20, WRONG way to remove the bezel. You only slip the pry tool on the INSIDE edge of the bezel, and slide it along till the clips detach. You do this carefully and the bezel can be removed and reused, EVERY time.
The Nvidia T500 is a rebranded GeForce GTX 1650M toaster edition. It's literally identical hardware to the 1650M. Heck, my old GTX 960M laptop was about as fast, for $900 back in 2015 (!!). That Thinkpad when it was new was never worth more than $500. But when they slap "workstation" marketing nonsense on it, people will pay 5x the price for no benefit at all... $200 is quite ok, no wonder those machines drop in price like a rock.
Lol they make it seem it's so much better, never knew that. I don't really have much problems with the GPU. I do wish the CPU was a tad bit faster tho but overall the package aint all bad. I think the reason ThinkPad''s are notorious for value longevity is due to a flood of them being released into the used market by companies/schools when the warranty expires. From then on, they slowly decrease.
The big difference between the thinkpads and the lesser models is that thinkpads are a little bit easier to upgrade and work on as there are usually less soldered components.
I've tested T1000 desktop cards and they're basically 1650s, they come in 8GB though and run a little bit slower clock speeds. It's funny when you see them though, they're tiny single slot half height cards, no clue why so many gaming 1650s are so huge when clearly they don't need to be. They run a little hot but nothing too extreme.
We operate the P15s 2nd Gen at work. The quadro GPU is rubbish. Our laptops heat up regularly during teams callsm. The fan gets louder than our conversation.
As its a Quadro. What you are paying for, is the software certs. It costs a lot to certify all the common CAD and simulation etc software. As for it been a 1650. Most Quadro's are all based off the desktop GPUs. Bear in mind that 1650 was a PCIe dual slot card with 2-3 fans. This thing is scrunched down to basically the GPU and memory chips. Quadro driver's are always a bit slower, compared to the gaming drivers. Some errors rendering something is fine for a game. It is not for real workstation software tasks. Besides, the T500 is the entry level of the Quadro laptop GPUs.
Just got a P15 gen 1 with an i7-10750H, 32GB RAM 512GB SSD and quadro T1000 for £249. Very pleased, in pristine condition, not even got grease on the track pad! Might need a new battery and storage soon though.
I have the same P14S. Same CPU, but more RAM and space. Has 32GB DDR4 and 1TB NVME SSD storage. I got it without the charger and a bad battery. Replaced battery and using an extra USB C lenovo 65W charger. Its fast! Going to use at work. Like the 14" display because its smaller , and for carrying around etc its not heavy.
Love the P series Thinkpads. I'm running a P52 and maxxed out and it's nice. Only thing I don't like about it is the ghosting on the screen. It's 4k, but I run at 1080 for visibility, heat, and performance reasons. But even running at 4k, this screen just has tons of ghosting when gaming.
ThinkPads are great. If they're older, they can be great Linux machines. And cheap too. I used to own an Edge 15 back around 2016 or so and it was great laptop for it's day. But it had a dead backlight.
A year ago I bought the very similiar X1 Extreme gen2. 500€ including the biggest i9 for that model, GTX1650, 1TB SSD, 32GB RAM and a (working) 4K OLED Touchscreen! Still a great deal but I'm not sure if I would do it again. Simply because the gen2 is the worst of this model. Bad battery life and somehow lenovos software doesn't fit to the great specs. It's noise is pretty low thou.
Great video Im thinking of getting one with 1TB of ssd and 32GB of ram for the price of $400 usd. I'm not sure if that will increase the performance and how will affect the battery life of the machine. I mostly work with illustrator and premiere pro and code? Any idea or suggestions or better alternatives?
I just bought a used T570. $100 delivered, including a power supply. Not as well-made as earlier Thinkpads. But I’m getting a lot of work done for $100.
Don't need an exact replacement. Usually i personally will look on panellook, compare for the best panel in that style (lanes, edp or lvds, and tab/tabless) and go with that. I was even able to put a 15.6 in OLED into a friends laptop despite it only coming with a 1440p 120hz display.
Your going to have to get a laptop cooler if you want to do any serious work on there, I have a P15s gen 2 fair enough I bought it second hand and don’t really know what the previous owner was up to with it but I ran it for a couple months played a few games here and there and cooked the GPU. Luckily whoever bought the laptop shelled out for the 5 years extended premier plus warranty extension and Lenovo replaced my motherboard at my home with parts and labour free of charge. Rocking a Llano laptop cooler now as it don’t trust it anymore, even though I got it for a steal it still feels precious because as you said it’s not even that old and was close to 3K brand new. Keep your eye on those temps these chips run hotter than satan’s heating and there’s only 1 fan cooling the lot and if you don’t have your profile to best performance that one little fan won’t even spin up to maximum RPM even under heavy load (don’t ask lol) will for sure cook. Also I did exactly what you did and bought 32GB extra ram and a 2TB NVME SSD so this beast is at max capacity in every metric it can be 🤙
It's amazing how you can hit 65 wpm just pecking at the keyboard with two fingers! 😂 I can't do that with all of mine. Anyways, another good video! BTW do you only post succesful refurbing/repairing videos where the deal is truly worth it? Don't you have cases where things go south or don't work out and are kinda duped? (Like the screen thing in this one). Makes me think if it's just the others who are overpaying or not getting the deals.
Haha, thanks. This video in particular I was holding back for quite some time. Bought it in June, uploaded September. So the ones that usually don't go smoothly will take a while to come out. Whereas others, like my L450 or T440s video didn't take too long. I do try to complete my videos, but some do leave me on pause. Hope that answers your question. 😄
2300 pounds for a laptop with that performance is crazy, like i get its not a gaming laptop, but the laptop i bought in 2019 had the same performance all around and was only around 700 pounds
@@cephacore Thanks for the reply. The only reason I mention it was I have i5 10300H which was getting 4000 in cinebench and then I changed the performance mode and now its getting over 5000. 👍
Can you help with Laptop recommendations for a Cybersecurity Degree ? I am not sure on what is important as I have red a lot of different recommendations. Thank you.
If they’re dead pixels, replace the screen. If they’re just stuck, believe it or not, you can use a rubber eraser on a pencil and press on it relatively hard (not enough to damage though) and massage it for a bit. They become unstuck surprisingly often.
Oh no I actually did 😂😂. I can say it's pretty good for a workstation laptop. 3-4 hours normal usage, 1-2 hours heavy. 300 Cycles, bit high but I'd expect that. Thanks for watching!
Can't really advocate p14s QC. Gone through 4 (mix of gen 2 and gen 3) in the last 18 months. Mix of issues from overheating, display adapter based BSODs, one would crash if I placed pressure (holding 1handed) to the left of the touchpad. Several colleagues still operate theirs upside down (plugged into external monitor) to prevent overheating. Gen 3 specific issue was atrocious battery life. I.e. 100-0% in less than an hour.
The PSU is supposed to be generic, that is exactly what Lenovo ships with theirs. They are inexpensive to replace if they fail and use standard components instead of bullshit proprietary connectors etc. They're great. I use mine to charge pretty much everything, because USB-C.
in india , when big corporation change there entire tech stuff they gives these item to reseller and for pretty cheap like the entire product which comes about 2 lakhs , my friend get like 15 pieces for less that 15000 each, and then they resell it
No way in hell, this laptop cost wooping 3000 USD in any freaking year....At max 1400 USD plus any display cost around 200 to 400 USD to repair at any shop
I bought the P14s Gen4 in 2023 for 1200 euro new, tax and shipping included so I would say that the $3000 estimation is inflated. I was not even the base model, it was Ryzen 7 / 32GB ram/ 1TB SSD "Performance" 400 nits display and so on.
3k for that id say its very bad value even in 2021, 200$ is the correct value for that, like the 1185G7 is an entry level cpu and the GPU is mediocre at best, i dont really know whats up with the 3k value they listed it in that website
got exited then saw the cpu, damn, how can 4 cores 8 threads be considered a workstation pc ? can hardly run any VMs on that. are there any other thinkpads with high core count cpus and upgradeable ram ? for 200/250 £ definitely cant complain though it certainly is a bargain !
I'd say, the S versions of the P14/15s are usually meant for light workstation use. Video editing, rendering etc. It's usually the GPU that does the heavy lifting. For £250 it's deffo a bargain though.
the thermals on these laptops scare me, mine hits around 95-100 degress and thermal throttles to 4.2 Ghz just scary to use it on heavy load when it constantly stays on those temps 😭😭
@@cephacore p51 with Xeon E3-1535M V6 64GB 4tb flagship mobile NVIDIA quadro P5000. Laptop was 5,8k usd new. It’s basically 65w intel 7800hq but 6 cores instead of 4. Gpu is desktop gtx 1070 with 4gig Samsung gddr5 modules instead of 2g which gives it 16g vram. I am forced to replace it due to nvidia dropping support for pascal in next year or driver generation 560 and never
You could milk more fps in Minecraft out of that thing with nividium or sodium mod for fabric 1.21. You can easily install mods on prism launcher btw (fps modpacks in new instance cureseforge selection)
Wow, the CPU isn't really any better than the one in my Thinkpad W541, that's pretty disappointing. GPU is definitely better than my K2100M, but I'm not sure that is necessarily worth the upgrade. Guess I'll have to look even NEWER with these things.
I did have a look to make sure, but couldn't find anything. It does get hot, I'll be honest. The thermal paste I use is perfectly fine on other much powerful systems.
@@cephacore the silicon can work at 100 degrees C and even quite a bit higher for years but there are components and other stuff around that won't be able to withstand such temperatures. What kills laptops usually is the thermal cycling though. You see there is the silicon and it is on a substrate. Between the two there is an electrical interface. The silicon and the substrate have vastly different expansion coefficients which results in misalignment between the two, thus breaking the connections. Reballing may resurrect the thing but usually for only a couple months. Higher temp difference more the movement, so you either keep it at a higher ambient temperature or lower load temperature. You probably know all these though. It's all about what sort of a service life the manufacturer intends for the product. They usually limit it by attaching metal hinges to a much lower number of days than what their cooling solution will allow it to survive so no problem there, for them that is because the consumers seem to be very forgiving of hinges breaking off than cpus cooking.
seems like something way overpriced i got an hp elitebook back in 2020 for like 1000€ (less than a 1000£ i think) not the same specs, it has a i7 8th gen (i7-8565U), 16gb of ram and a 500Gb nvme and the intel uhd 620 rock solid laptop, fully alluminum. i've been carrying it to school for more than 3 years and it's still totally fine (apart from a few scratches and bumbs) and for like 200/300€ more there was also the option to get a dedicated amd graphics card, i don't know how how good it was, never had it
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Saw one nearby for 300€ completely fine, a panel replacement is usually about 60€ if you find the right bro on Aliexpress so yeah this is a good deal
"back in the day" Dude, it's only 3 years old, wtf
I'm rocking a 6-year-old laptop and feels new like yesterday! 3 years is nothing for a laptop! How did it come out so cheap 3000$->200$ with only a screen damage ?! 😂
@@NotNagruf I dunno haha. Still using a 2011 Toshiba laptop and a ThinkPad T430 from 2012. Thanks to Linux they boot even faster than my Win10 desktop.
@@qinn1996 Nice!
LOL, only just noticed this comment. Idk why I said that, good point 😂
@@cephacore we live in a fast world 😂
Yes, those "WORKSTATION" notebook is truly amazing. When I was working at a small office 15 years ago, I bought many years old "Workstation" PC and replace HDD and give it to employees to use, Those Lenovo "Workstation" never failed me. Truly amazing!! I also bought one P50 and two P70 for all around $235-$250 after NVMe upgrade and some RAM move around (I only need 16G RAM). P models are just high quality machines. I use P70 (17.3") add 15.6" monitor to the side (no space for bigger monitor) and my wife use P50. She uses two external 24" monitors, so she doesn't use the P50 monitor. I think 15" monitor is just too small for home use and those "Workstation Laptop" just too heavy for travel with you. The storages and ports option of P70 is really amazing. For $250, I will choose P70. People don't take "workstation" to anywhere, most of them fix to desk with dock and power connect to it, I got over 80% battery life left, meaning I probably never will have to buy replacement battery not that I use the battery (disconnect and remove the battery.)
Thanks for sharing your insight. The P Series of ThinkPads are simply unmatched. Love them
where do you buy those laptops?
Too bad Lenovo wiped their ass with the thinkpads. It’s basically an idea pad with a fancy name now
Not me having to carry 4kg legion 5+ 300w adapter along with other books daily to college😭💀, takes 2hours to commute by bus mostly standing.
The E500 series is great as well. Bought mine 2019 for university to do basic engineering stuff. (don't need CAD). Still trucks along fine. It is a E595, because I like AMD.
If you contact a seller before their warranty window closes but they decide to not respond to you before it runs out it should be an easy court case to get your money back and a working screen
Thanks for the info. Thankfully I paid via PayPal, they sorted it all out. Some may dislike them but I've always had good experiences and this is a great example.
Could also work with a credit card dispute and completely justified what you did and PayPal did the right thing, sucks to receive faulty parts and then reseller ghosting.
@@Sphyxx I made a big mistake buying from Ebay using my bank directly since they didn't care and its much harder and ebay buyers protection of 30 days is useless because it can literally take that long just to deliver it to my country. So yes lesson learned losing 170 euros. Seller was a scammer and Ebay barely cared even though he had scammed many other people he used fake listing images too..
Man, i wish i can find a bagging like this in my country, 200$ at very best can only get a broken t480 in my country :(
Prices do differ from country to country. Even this example goes for £300-400 used. I got quite lucky admittedly.
Honestly had the same luck went the used way found a t580 for 180 bucks exceptional value
Probably Norway
I live in the Dominican Republic and is what I do as a side business. I've purchased maybe 50 laptops so far from 6th to 12th gen, mostly all below $100 and none over $200USD. I use a Courier service witha Miami addrss and pay between $15 and $20 delivered to my house.
@@PalBatey i love rich neighbourhoods cause u could get cheap used and they willing to pay premium for the refurbished stuff thinking as new
Got the P15 Gen2 for 800. Maxed out RAM to 128gb and 4 TB of SSD.....it is now my home lab
Who do you work for.. NASA?!!? 😅
jokes aside, that's a really nice setup you have. didn't know you could max it out to 128
@@cephacoreI do a lot of virtualization lol. I have to be able to virtualize an enterprise level infrastructure to test network security and web application lol.
@@GeoffreyChristian curious what the infrastructure is called i want to look up a video of it and test it on my laptop with 16gb of ram
Ah good Ole Thinkpads, Congrats on 1k, looking forward to the next video!, Greetings from Cape Town
Thanks! There's more to come 😄
@cephacore to be honest I would of ran a 32GB config. In intel cpus when running 2 sticks of different sizes it goes into flex mode instead of dual channel. Its like 1.5 channel somewhere in the middle. So there is performance left on the table. other than that it was a good buy.
Damn I didn't know that, thanks for letting me know 👍
Intel & AMD cpus.
I won't lie, this was actually a really good video, well structured and clear and concise in what you were saying. GOOD JOB. I cant wait to see what you do next! (pls remember me)
Thanks! I really appreciate it. See you in the next one 👀
Im going to Uni next school year, and my high school gives us our laptops once they reflash them, however I do not want a laptop that struggles opening Spotify to do Software engineering classes on. I've been looking for a very good bang for your buck laptop, and I think I might have my answer. Thanks man!
It's a perfect laptop, in fact I use it for comp sci at uni. Works very well 🙏
Great, I'm happy for you that you were able to repair this fantastic computer so cheaply. Great!👍
Good video. Been watching for a few weeks now and I love the reviews and experiences on less expensive slightly older thinkpads. Only thing I would have liked to see in this video was a performance comparison on the gpu to other gpus, perhaps to other 4GB ones like the 1650.
Thanks for the feedback, I wish I had other laptops to compare with. Maybe something I can do down the line 👍
I have a nvidia gtx 1050ti mobile laptop with 4gb vram, i can do a Benchmark if you want. @@cephacore
Hey I have this same model of laptop, the performance you can expect in gaming is around a mx450 but without the memory limitations, so it does run certain games very well, but it’s dGPU is being beat out today by iGPUs but for 200 dollars or if you can get it for a similar price isn’t bad.
Great video, looking for a similar deal myself. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the support. Cheers 👍
Congrats on 1k subs man 🎉
Keep make quality videos like this u will soon be noticed for this quality alone ❤
Thanks man, I really appreciate it 😄
I had the same problem buying LCD panels, I got a defective one and the seller had this sneaky clause where it said they could have up to 7 stuck pixels, however the display they sold me looked like a Christmas tree and had like over 20 stuck pixels randomly scattered over the whole panel.
It's crazy how they think they can get away with it. Truly unprofessional.
Oh man what a deal you had. I wish i could get something like that to upgrade my T470 Anyway good content mate! :)
Thanks a lot! The T470 is still a solid laptop, use it as long as it let's you 😄
Wow, that's really a steal price for a P14! Especially good to see that PayPal ruled in your favour. I got one of these bad boys from Lenovo on clearance for $800 last year and it's been a real workhorse. My old laptop I've used for many years has an I7-6700HQ and a GTX970M, but I've found the P14 beats it everywhere from everyday tasks to even gaming (albeit it does get pretty hot on the latter). Here's to hoping our machines last a good long time.
Yep, it's a solid machine for it's price IMO. PayPal were absolute legends
glad to see youve passed 1k(1.24k as of time of watching)! well done mate, quality video as always!
Thanks for the support. Means a lot 😄
@@cephacore no probs at all, keep at it!
watching this on my $300 secondhand ThinkPad L13 Yoga Gen 1... feel ripped off lol, but I need convertible one
nice video btw!
ThinkPad workstations are amazing. I literally daily drive a P52 with a Quadro P3200 and it's insane how well it does in day to day tasks.
Just wish the battery life was better...
Yep I love the workstations, perfect mix of portability and power. The battery life on this one was not bad, getting around 3-4 hrs normal use.
If you don't need the full CPU power when mobile, use "ThrottleStop" to throttle the CPU down to like 10W. Disabling CPU turbo is a one-click setting to.
what a steal! lucky you. nice video by the way
Thanks 😄👍
Congrats on 1K!
Thanks! I appreciate the support 😄
In case anyone wonders, the nvidia T500 is essentially just a rebadged desktop GTX 1650 with lower clockspeeds (to push power consumption down a bit further). Every single other spec is identical.
Also it wouldn't have gaming drivers, so performance in games would be lacking, however it could still definitely handle minecraft and terraria, or other lower end games to waste a lunch break on
@@ricedbroccoli whether you install the studio divers or gaming ones doesn't matter much in terms of performance. Hell you can force-install the regular gaming ones on quadro cards if you really want to... the GPU itself is essentially the same so it works either way
Great video, this is the kind of action and love these devices deserve.
Its quite common to find perfectly working first gen L14s with Ryzen PRO 4650U processors here with minor faults for 150-200€ and I find it the best bang for buck imaginable.
Thanks for watching! The L14 are pretty well rounded laptops, especially the AMD variant. Looking into getting one on the channel.
Hey man gread vid! I was wondering if you'd consider doing a giveaways on one of your ThinkPads..?? I'd love to get my hands on a Workstation like this and rock it with Linux!
Never thought about it, maybe one day 👌
Nice improvement on your lighting. Also, did you notice the CPU temp while playing minecraft? That thing looked like it was hitting 100 C. A bit toasty in my book. I know it's not that old, but maybe some new thermal paste?
Thanks! I didn't notice that tbh, I did change the thermal paste. Perhaps it's the type of paste I'm using. I'll have a better look at it.
@@cephacoremy workplace gave me a p16s, as I have local admin permissions I like to use throttleStop to throttle the CPU down to 10W when I'm mobile. When running at above 45W it gets really hot without the fans going full speed so I installed "TPFan control" to run the fans faster.
@@cephacore somehow the quality of thermal paste chances the thermals all together for Laptops. Clean the fans further and chance the thermal paste to an MX4 or something high quality
You can change power profile with Fn+Q if you need more performance or more battery life.
great video tbh. I don't know how you don't have more subs like your videos are really well made, keep on the good work you will make it to the top
AND WAIT DONT FORGET ABOUT ME WHEN YOU'RE POPULAR😅
I really appreciate that, thank you. Don't worry I'll remember you 😅👍
'grats on 1k!
Thanks 🎉🎉
Liking the new intro
Thanks 😄. Adds a bit more to the videos, glad you enjoyed
2:20, WRONG way to remove the bezel. You only slip the pry tool on the INSIDE edge of the bezel, and slide it along till the clips detach. You do this carefully and the bezel can be removed and reused, EVERY time.
Congrats on 1k subs🥳🥳🥳
Thank you!! 😁
Did you clean the fan and replace the thermal paste?
Awesome find! Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching!
The Nvidia T500 is a rebranded GeForce GTX 1650M toaster edition. It's literally identical hardware to the 1650M. Heck, my old GTX 960M laptop was about as fast, for $900 back in 2015 (!!).
That Thinkpad when it was new was never worth more than $500. But when they slap "workstation" marketing nonsense on it, people will pay 5x the price for no benefit at all... $200 is quite ok, no wonder those machines drop in price like a rock.
Lol they make it seem it's so much better, never knew that. I don't really have much problems with the GPU. I do wish the CPU was a tad bit faster tho but overall the package aint all bad. I think the reason ThinkPad''s are notorious for value longevity is due to a flood of them being released into the used market by companies/schools when the warranty expires. From then on, they slowly decrease.
The big difference between the thinkpads and the lesser models is that thinkpads are a little bit easier to upgrade and work on as there are usually less soldered components.
I've tested T1000 desktop cards and they're basically 1650s, they come in 8GB though and run a little bit slower clock speeds. It's funny when you see them though, they're tiny single slot half height cards, no clue why so many gaming 1650s are so huge when clearly they don't need to be. They run a little hot but nothing too extreme.
We operate the P15s 2nd Gen at work. The quadro GPU is rubbish. Our laptops heat up regularly during teams callsm. The fan gets louder than our conversation.
As its a Quadro. What you are paying for, is the software certs. It costs a lot to certify all the common CAD and simulation etc software. As for it been a 1650. Most Quadro's are all based off the desktop GPUs. Bear in mind that 1650 was a PCIe dual slot card with 2-3 fans. This thing is scrunched down to basically the GPU and memory chips.
Quadro driver's are always a bit slower, compared to the gaming drivers. Some errors rendering something is fine for a game. It is not for real workstation software tasks. Besides, the T500 is the entry level of the Quadro laptop GPUs.
Just got a P15 gen 1 with an i7-10750H, 32GB RAM 512GB SSD and quadro T1000 for £249. Very pleased, in pristine condition, not even got grease on the track pad! Might need a new battery and storage soon though.
I have a t530 and installed the Nobara distro on it ...just love it
Hmm never heard of that one. Might look into it 👍
@@cephacore it's a good laptop from 2012 I think.
I have the same P14S. Same CPU, but more RAM and space. Has 32GB DDR4 and 1TB NVME SSD storage. I got it without the charger and a bad battery. Replaced battery and using an extra USB C lenovo 65W charger. Its fast! Going to use at work. Like the 14" display because its smaller , and for carrying around etc its not heavy.
Love the P series Thinkpads. I'm running a P52 and maxxed out and it's nice. Only thing I don't like about it is the ghosting on the screen. It's 4k, but I run at 1080 for visibility, heat, and performance reasons. But even running at 4k, this screen just has tons of ghosting when gaming.
ThinkPads are great. If they're older, they can be great Linux machines.
And cheap too.
I used to own an Edge 15 back around 2016 or so and it was great laptop for it's day. But it had a dead backlight.
I hope you cleaned out that dust from the fan! That would explain the high temps too!
I did, forgot to put it in the video my bad.
This looks like a machine that could easily go for another decade. Damn
Hopefully 😄
I'm pretty happy with my x13 gen 4 (amd). It plays games well once you set a 25 watt tdp
A year ago I bought the very similiar X1 Extreme gen2.
500€ including the biggest i9 for that model, GTX1650, 1TB SSD, 32GB RAM and a (working) 4K OLED Touchscreen!
Still a great deal but I'm not sure if I would do it again. Simply because the gen2 is the worst of this model. Bad battery life and somehow lenovos software doesn't fit to the great specs. It's noise is pretty low thou.
Quite interesting, X1 Extreme's are quite rare here in the UK. Not many people bought em
Great video Im thinking of getting one with 1TB of ssd and 32GB of ram for the price of $400 usd. I'm not sure if that will increase the performance and how will affect the battery life of the machine. I mostly work with illustrator and premiere pro and code? Any idea or suggestions or better alternatives?
That's an excellent deal. Premiere Pro and coding should do very well.
Hi! Can you suggest a docking station compatible with this model? (intel version) Thx!
I miss my Carbon X - I just love the lenovo keyboards on laptops :x sooo smooth.
Amazing channel! Just one question: gen1 or gen2 has a RAM slot?
Thanks! Both Gen 1 and 2 have one RAM slot.
It's built like a tank.
Proper tank these thinkpads are
Refurbished business laptops are the way to go, they always offer the best value for the money.
Yep exactly. I actually remember these brand new.. 3 years later the value has plummeted
I just bought a used T570. $100 delivered, including a power supply. Not as well-made as earlier Thinkpads. But I’m getting a lot of work done for $100.
Sounds like a solid machine, I've yet to find a 15 inch ThinkPad. Will look into getting one on the channel.
Don't need an exact replacement. Usually i personally will look on panellook, compare for the best panel in that style (lanes, edp or lvds, and tab/tabless) and go with that. I was even able to put a 15.6 in OLED into a friends laptop despite it only coming with a 1440p 120hz display.
That website saved me, looking for a new display was quite enduring without it.
Your going to have to get a laptop cooler if you want to do any serious work on there, I have a P15s gen 2 fair enough I bought it second hand and don’t really know what the previous owner was up to with it but I ran it for a couple months played a few games here and there and cooked the GPU. Luckily whoever bought the laptop shelled out for the 5 years extended premier plus warranty extension and Lenovo replaced my motherboard at my home with parts and labour free of charge. Rocking a Llano laptop cooler now as it don’t trust it anymore, even though I got it for a steal it still feels precious because as you said it’s not even that old and was close to 3K brand new. Keep your eye on those temps these chips run hotter than satan’s heating and there’s only 1 fan cooling the lot and if you don’t have your profile to best performance that one little fan won’t even spin up to maximum RPM even under heavy load (don’t ask lol) will for sure cook. Also I did exactly what you did and bought 32GB extra ram and a 2TB NVME SSD so this beast is at max capacity in every metric it can be 🤙
It's amazing how you can hit 65 wpm just pecking at the keyboard with two fingers! 😂 I can't do that with all of mine. Anyways, another good video!
BTW do you only post succesful refurbing/repairing videos where the deal is truly worth it? Don't you have cases where things go south or don't work out and are kinda duped? (Like the screen thing in this one). Makes me think if it's just the others who are overpaying or not getting the deals.
Haha, thanks. This video in particular I was holding back for quite some time. Bought it in June, uploaded September. So the ones that usually don't go smoothly will take a while to come out. Whereas others, like my L450 or T440s video didn't take too long. I do try to complete my videos, but some do leave me on pause. Hope that answers your question. 😄
2300 pounds for a laptop with that performance is crazy, like i get its not a gaming laptop, but the laptop i bought in 2019 had the same performance all around and was only around 700 pounds
What laptop did you buy?
That r23 score seems low? It might have been on some sort of power saving mode.
Possibly. I did run it a few more times but yielded similar results. I'll see if that's the issue, thanks!
@@cephacore Thanks for the reply. The only reason I mention it was I have i5 10300H which was getting 4000 in cinebench and then I changed the performance mode and now its getting over 5000. 👍
Please tell me you cleaned the cooling fan while you had the back off
Yes I noticed I hadn't post filming and made sure that was done for the testing.
Can you help with Laptop recommendations for a Cybersecurity Degree ? I am not sure on what is important as I have red a lot of different recommendations. Thank you.
My dream machine is a P15 gen 1/2. Still wanting a Thinkpad that are capable of good gaming too in the future
I've yet to cover a 15 inch ThinkPad, on the lookout for one
@@cephacore You should get one and I believe you can get a cheap one lol
I have that CPU in my current work laptop. It isn’t too bad atleast compared to previous work systems I’ve had.
It's not too bad tbf
I’m confused how did you fix the dead pixels? How much did that cost?
If they’re dead pixels, replace the screen. If they’re just stuck, believe it or not, you can use a rubber eraser on a pencil and press on it relatively hard (not enough to damage though) and massage it for a bit. They become unstuck surprisingly often.
Great video man! But i think you forgot talking about the battery life =D. How is it ?
Oh no I actually did 😂😂. I can say it's pretty good for a workstation laptop. 3-4 hours normal usage, 1-2 hours heavy. 300 Cycles, bit high but I'd expect that. Thanks for watching!
What’s the software that lets you see your frames while gaming? I see lots of RUclipsrs with it and never found out. Thanks
MSI Afterburner
@@envy-2722 thank you and great video
Can't really advocate p14s QC. Gone through 4 (mix of gen 2 and gen 3) in the last 18 months.
Mix of issues from overheating, display adapter based BSODs, one would crash if I placed pressure (holding 1handed) to the left of the touchpad. Several colleagues still operate theirs upside down (plugged into external monitor) to prevent overheating.
Gen 3 specific issue was atrocious battery life. I.e. 100-0% in less than an hour.
Perhaps Quadro GPUs weren't meant for small chassis P14s
part of my job is resetting used laptops for resale, i see so many p14's and similar ones
The P14s are around 3-4 yrs old which is when most companies retire old ThinkPad's. Kinda pointless but at least it makes it cheaper for us.
You are lucky to get that deal.
Yep, under £300 it's an awesome laptop
@@cephacore What do you do with these after videos?
I can get about every 4th word with that accent. interesting, nonetheless. Thank goodness there's pictures !!, lol
Thanks man..very interesting.
watching on my thinkpad t480 👍
Good choice! 🙂
The PSU is supposed to be generic, that is exactly what Lenovo ships with theirs. They are inexpensive to replace if they fail and use standard components instead of bullshit proprietary connectors etc. They're great. I use mine to charge pretty much everything, because USB-C.
You can run Win 11 on the 7th Gen? I though, only 8th Gen and up can run Win 11.
It's 11th generation
in india , when big corporation change there entire tech stuff they gives these item to reseller and for pretty cheap like the entire product which comes about 2 lakhs , my friend get like 15 pieces for less that 15000 each, and then they resell it
No way in hell, this laptop cost wooping 3000 USD in any freaking year....At max 1400 USD plus any display cost around 200 to 400 USD to repair at any shop
I bought the P14s Gen4 in 2023 for 1200 euro new, tax and shipping included so I would say that the $3000 estimation is inflated. I was not even the base model, it was Ryzen 7 / 32GB ram/ 1TB SSD "Performance" 400 nits display and so on.
clickbait is getting out of hand
3k for that id say its very bad value even in 2021, 200$ is the correct value for that, like the 1185G7 is an entry level cpu and the GPU is mediocre at best, i dont really know whats up with the 3k value they listed it in that website
Yep new thinkpad prices are ridiculous. Especially ones with gpus
It's kinda strange how they never offered an i7 H 6 core/12 thread option on a workstation laptop?
The P14s are quite slim, hence the S suffix. They required CPUs that didn't consume much power. I'm sure something like the ThinkPad P1 had them.
youtube is adding summaries??
Xeon 700 models available on eBay.
got exited then saw the cpu, damn, how can 4 cores 8 threads be considered a workstation pc ? can hardly run any VMs on that.
are there any other thinkpads with high core count cpus and upgradeable ram ?
for 200/250 £ definitely cant complain though it certainly is a bargain !
I'd say, the S versions of the P14/15s are usually meant for light workstation use. Video editing, rendering etc. It's usually the GPU that does the heavy lifting. For £250 it's deffo a bargain though.
the thermals on these laptops scare me, mine hits around 95-100 degress and thermal throttles to 4.2 Ghz just scary to use it on heavy load when it constantly stays on those temps 😭😭
I have one with pascal based quadro p5000 with 16g vram.
Damn 16gb??
@@cephacore p51 with Xeon E3-1535M V6 64GB 4tb flagship mobile NVIDIA quadro P5000. Laptop was 5,8k usd new.
It’s basically 65w intel 7800hq but 6 cores instead of 4.
Gpu is desktop gtx 1070 with 4gig Samsung gddr5 modules instead of 2g which gives it 16g vram.
I am forced to replace it due to nvidia dropping support for pascal in next year or driver generation 560 and never
battery performance?
Sorry I completely forgot about that, it gets around 1-2 hours on load. 3-4 normal usage.
@@cephacore okay
You could milk more fps in Minecraft out of that thing with nividium or sodium mod for fabric 1.21. You can easily install mods on prism launcher btw (fps modpacks in new instance cureseforge selection)
Ah nice, thanks for letting me know 👍
I've got a T14 1st gen and I hate it. Thinking of getting another T14, lol.
What's wrong with it?
Now you need to install Gentoo on the Gen 2
definitely a steal
Wow, the CPU isn't really any better than the one in my Thinkpad W541, that's pretty disappointing. GPU is definitely better than my K2100M, but I'm not sure that is necessarily worth the upgrade. Guess I'll have to look even NEWER with these things.
The CPUs definitely had efficiency and battery life in mind. If only they had H series CPUs
@@cephacore Yeah, that would have been nice.
Dude that shit is hot. The thing will cook itself. There may be something wrong with the thermal interface.
I did have a look to make sure, but couldn't find anything. It does get hot, I'll be honest. The thermal paste I use is perfectly fine on other much powerful systems.
@@cephacore the silicon can work at 100 degrees C and even quite a bit higher for years but there are components and other stuff around that won't be able to withstand such temperatures.
What kills laptops usually is the thermal cycling though. You see there is the silicon and it is on a substrate. Between the two there is an electrical interface. The silicon and the substrate have vastly different expansion coefficients which results in misalignment between the two, thus breaking the connections. Reballing may resurrect the thing but usually for only a couple months. Higher temp difference more the movement, so you either keep it at a higher ambient temperature or lower load temperature.
You probably know all these though. It's all about what sort of a service life the manufacturer intends for the product. They usually limit it by attaching metal hinges to a much lower number of days than what their cooling solution will allow it to survive so no problem there, for them that is because the consumers seem to be very forgiving of hinges breaking off than cpus cooking.
In EU it would sell for 2800$ used
Wait, you didn't put linux on it, that seems crazy to me.
So rare to see a decent keyboard layout
UK layout is the best, totally not being biased lol 😅
Dude, clean out the fans and replace the thermal paste
needs a repaste. both the cpu and gpu were bouncing off 100°C during the Minecraft test
i hope you blew the inside of your thinkpad clean haha all that dust!
Haha dw I did after I took that shot. 😂
Seems we had the same idea 😁
Great minds think alike 😅
That is a kitchen that is 100 degrees too hot, check the thermal paste urgently
CPU is definitely underperforming, even my last gen i5 1035g7 out performed it 😅
4000 points in Cinebench R23 for $3000, ain't no way 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
The ~$1300 T480 from 2018 gets 4000 points at 22W TDP with an undervolt
I think 4000 score in cinebench is so low, not worth that $3000, it was overpriced at that time.
tbh i would have turned it into a desktop with a external monitor or a portable monitor from arzopa
seems like something way overpriced
i got an hp elitebook back in 2020 for like 1000€ (less than a 1000£ i think)
not the same specs, it has a i7 8th gen (i7-8565U), 16gb of ram and a 500Gb nvme and the intel uhd 620
rock solid laptop, fully alluminum. i've been carrying it to school for more than 3 years and it's still totally fine (apart from a few scratches and bumbs)
and for like 200/300€ more there was also the option to get a dedicated amd graphics card, i don't know how how good it was, never had it
Sounds like a great deal, ThinkPads are quite expensive to start off but rapidly lose value which makes it great for 2nd hand 😄users like me😂