Atheist Aron Ra “Christian ethics vs. Secular ethics”

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  • Опубликовано: 4 дек 2024

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  • @knothyself347
    @knothyself347 3 года назад +52

    How do you know when someone cannot defend their point of view? They attack and talk louder, so only they can be heard.

    • @Dj87691
      @Dj87691 2 года назад

      So true I dated a girl n when we have a argument I can't get one word in

    • @jasongilder22
      @jasongilder22 5 месяцев назад

      @@Dj87691they’re emotional

    • @jacksonstone246
      @jacksonstone246 3 месяца назад +2

      @@jasongilder22constant misrepresentation would make anyone emotional. Imagine repeating the same answer 5 times, hearing the same question begged for without any reason or logic, having to refute claims that can’t possibly be valid or true or relevant.

    • @FECtetra1918
      @FECtetra1918 12 дней назад

      His point is based upon evidence.

  • @junkgrave
    @junkgrave 4 года назад +184

    As a non-believer, I've always had great respect for both of you, Cliffe and Stuart. Your arguments are often compelling, and you are both well spoken and charismatic. I feel as though Stuart is genuinely listening to and interacting with non-believers and our objections, whereas sometimes I feel as though Cliffe is more reciting his long-established and pre-rehearsed apologetics, without ever calibrating to (or even acknowledging, much less debating) the very specific objections that are being given. It feels like a pre-recorded sermon or powerpoint, rather than a genuine, in-the-moment conversation.
    I love you both so much for putting out videos like this. We need more debates like this. I hope to have the honor of debating you someday, and I hope that I would do it with more respect and tact than Aron did.

    • @bany512
      @bany512 4 года назад +7

      any specific objections you can name ? because, I would agree that Cliffe is sometimes a bit rusty, but I would also argue that the "specific objections" are but misunderstanding of well established arguments every apologist is using.

    • @repentandfollowjesus3474
      @repentandfollowjesus3474 4 года назад +4

      Pls read this with a humble heart and believe in the Gospel. I pray that God gives you light.
      Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
      I Corinthians 6:9‭-‬10 NKJV
      bible.com/bible/114/1co.6.9-10.NKJV
      What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin. As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.” “Their throat is an open tomb; With their tongues they have practiced deceit”; “The poison of asps is under their lips”; “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.” Destruction and misery are in their ways; And the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
      Romans 3:9‭-‬14‭, ‬16‭-‬20 NKJV
      bible.com/bible/114/rom.3.9-20.NKJV
      For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
      For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
      I Corinthians 1:18-20
      But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
      I Corinthians 1:27 NKJV
      bible.com/bible/114/1co.1.27.NKJV
      And Jesusbsaid to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” ( Thus He declared all foods clean.) And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”
      Mark 7:18‭-‬23 NASB
      bible.com/bible/100/mrk.7.18-23.NASB
      But there is hope:
      and Jesus saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”
      Mark 1:15 NKJV
      bible.com/bible/114/mrk.1.15.NKJV
      But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
      Romans 3:21‭-‬23‭, ‬25‭-‬26 NKJV
      bible.com/bible/114/rom.3.21-26.NKJV
      Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name (Jesus) under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
      Acts 4:12 NKJV
      bible.com/bible/114/act.4.12.NKJV

    • @dwendt44
      @dwendt44 4 года назад +15

      @@repentandfollowjesus3474 Instead of babbling on and on, try thinking for a change.

    • @promethium-145
      @promethium-145 4 года назад +9

      @@dwendt44 Have you considered that he probably came to the conclusion by way of thought or experience? No? You shouldn't just assume that he's not put thought into his conclusion.

    • @TheFirstAtom
      @TheFirstAtom 3 года назад +6

      @@repentandfollowjesus3474 you don’t choose to believe in something you don’t believe in. You’re either convinced or you’re not.
      Just like falling in love. You didn’t choose to fall in love with said person, it just happened.

  • @mikeofwar2684
    @mikeofwar2684 10 месяцев назад +15

    As an Atheist, I can not stand Aron. I agree with him on this topic, but I'd spend time with Cliffe and his son any day of the week.

  • @abemontero1341
    @abemontero1341 Год назад +238

    Aron Ra gets T-R-I-G-G-E-R-E-D whenever Cliff talks. You can't tell me it's not a spiritual battle.

    • @exerpachuau5486
      @exerpachuau5486 Год назад +35

      That's what I was also having in mind! It's like you could see the demon inside of him not wanting to accept Christ and blabbering out those opposing and harshful words.

    • @Jojosworld000
      @Jojosworld000 Год назад

      @@exerpachuau5486lol you religious are silly, we are tired of your bs of faith without evidence

    • @alinajardan2841
      @alinajardan2841 11 месяцев назад +13

      exactly!!! Jesus is King

    • @devontolly1596
      @devontolly1596 11 месяцев назад +53

      It's because he's frustrated by their stupidity

    • @RyanGhezawi
      @RyanGhezawi 11 месяцев назад +13

      @@devontolly1596thank you😂😂

  • @thehound6126
    @thehound6126 3 года назад +53

    Aron spouts a lot of absolute statements as if there is no other way to interpret them. He also interrupts Cliffe with a statement and expects him to drop everything and respond, at that rate, only Aron would get what he wants the world to hear across, and that’s completely immature and disrespectful, especially in an argument.

    • @erika_alexa
      @erika_alexa 5 месяцев назад

      I haven't watched it yet, but I watched another debate with all three of these men, and Aron was literally screaming at them like a toddler getting his favorite toy thrown away.. anyway, I'll be watching for that again lol

    • @romanmay2867
      @romanmay2867 3 месяца назад +1

      literally here 24:24 he’s just saying over and over that no one on earth thinks differently than him

    • @erika_alexa
      @erika_alexa 3 месяца назад

      @@romanmay2867 I think we can all agree that he's a very open minded person. (pls note that was sarcasm lol). But honestly, pride blinds so many people and it's so sad to see. Honestly we just gotta pray

  • @princesssmor1
    @princesssmor1 Год назад +204

    Aron refuses to let anyone speak

    • @PortlandMan
      @PortlandMan Год назад +53

      Good, Cliffe and Stuart just talk nonsense anyway.

    • @richarddeerflame
      @richarddeerflame Год назад +40

      @@PortlandMan Another Aron Follower folks. One who Believes the world of himself and only listens to himself.

    • @MoonPresence-fg8dn
      @MoonPresence-fg8dn Год назад +24

      Because otherwise we would just hear incoherent rambling from Cliff or Stuart instead of focusing on the topic.

    • @leamael00
      @leamael00 Год назад +25

      Aron has heard all the same bs rambling a bizillion times before. He interrupts people whenever they start lying or stop making sense, which is honestly pretty fair.

    • @liamtaylor849
      @liamtaylor849 Год назад

      If they stopped talking out their ass Aron would hear them out.

  • @ogsippycup9184
    @ogsippycup9184 3 года назад +91

    The patients of Cliffe and Stuart is outstanding. Cliffe can't get a sentence out without Ra interruptions, yet the floor is always open whenever he speak.

    • @fartenthusiast-zl2qv
      @fartenthusiast-zl2qv 6 месяцев назад

      "patience", i agree with you tho

    • @jasongilder22
      @jasongilder22 5 месяцев назад

      @@fartenthusiast-zl2qvit’s I not i; it ought to be capitalized

    • @bmj2698
      @bmj2698 5 месяцев назад

      Well. They believe in a made up fairytale. Their patience must be outstanding.

    • @fartenthusiast-zl2qv
      @fartenthusiast-zl2qv 5 месяцев назад

      @@jasongilder22 "It's" not "it's"; it ought to be capitalized

  • @jackdangers3292
    @jackdangers3292 3 года назад +123

    Its odd how Aron goes from being quite pleasant with Stuart one moment, to cut-throat with Cliffe in the matter of seconds.

    • @MichaelAntonFischer
      @MichaelAntonFischer 3 года назад +45

      It’s not odd. It happens as soon as Cliffe starts to misrepresent Aron

    • @jackdangers3292
      @jackdangers3292 3 года назад +33

      @@MichaelAntonFischer Could you elaborate? honest question. How is he mis-representing him? Aron is hurling slander and insults...it veils his heart. He is truly hurting, as we all are.

    • @MichaelAntonFischer
      @MichaelAntonFischer 3 года назад +25

      @@jackdangers3292 he is constantly trying to straw man, e.g. by claiming that Arons moral system is something completely different.

    • @MichaelAntonFischer
      @MichaelAntonFischer 3 года назад +18

      @@jackdangers3292 and I completely understand Aron. I’ve been in such discussions.
      If the other side is not only not listening, but actively misrepresenting what you say, an intelligent conversation is impossible.
      Unfortunately calling somebody a liar, when he is lying, is considered rude. But that is exactly because religious people have enforced that picture of rudeness over centuries.

    • @godloves9163
      @godloves9163 3 года назад +1

      @Engineering Philosophy Wait are you saying Aaron's moral system is the same as Cliffe's? Seriously?!

  • @GoldenWolf248
    @GoldenWolf248 4 года назад +130

    The most amazing thing about this discussion is the patience and love of Cliff and Stuart when Aron was insulting them.

    • @DanielApologetics
      @DanielApologetics 4 года назад +5

      I made a 5 minute debate review of this one on my channel,
      thought you might would be interested in it, based on your comment.

    • @willdavey1565
      @willdavey1565 3 года назад +20

      What are you talking about? Aron Ra has a right to get angry and passionate because that’s how these debates work, Cliff isn’t even really that nice anyway, his demeanour comes off as patronising.

    • @Pheonix8877
      @Pheonix8877 3 года назад +19

      @@willdavey1565 I’m on Aron’s side of the lane for this debate and I think he’s incredibly rude at times. For how intelligent he is, there is absolutely no reason to belittle or call people names if you claim to be in pursuit of the truth. If they’re wrong or don’t have the capability to understand your explanations, losing your cool and exploding into obscenities/personal attacks is not going to add to the conversation.
      The perceived inaccuracy of your opponents claims is never a justification to throw a tantrum.

    • @joshua12084
      @joshua12084 2 года назад +11

      Yes and the most frustrating thing about this convo is that Aron never lets cliffe finish what he’s saying

    • @robinrobyn1714
      @robinrobyn1714 2 года назад +11

      This wasn't a debate. This was Aron Ra pathologically ranting and spewing utter nonsense in diatribe form, with Stuart agreeing with everything Aron Ra says

  • @iamcaseymoore
    @iamcaseymoore 2 года назад +82

    I'm struggling so hard through this. Aron doesn't have an argument, he just keeps saying what cliffe and stu are saying is a lie but doesn't back it up. He just says he's right.

    • @Jaryism
      @Jaryism 2 года назад +36

      He’s a narcissist, and emotionally abusive. It’s obvious.

    • @robinrobyn1714
      @robinrobyn1714 2 года назад +23

      @@Jaryism He's pathologically obsessed and angry at something that he doesn't even believe exists.
      He was very angry, ranting , insulting, etc.
      For something that doesn't exist, God sure has Aron Ra's undivided attention.

    • @robinrobyn1714
      @robinrobyn1714 2 года назад

      @@ThermaL-ty7bw No I will never be. It takes a special kind of imbecile to be an Atheist and go around lying to people, making Epistemological statements that are wholly unsupportable.

    • @GraceAlone614
      @GraceAlone614 Год назад +12

      ​@@robinrobyn1714well the fact that Aron constantly drinks, doesn't help...

    • @robinrobyn1714
      @robinrobyn1714 Год назад

      @@GraceAlone614 True

  • @Semperii
    @Semperii Год назад +46

    I learned a long time ago if someone starts saying "no one, everybody, the whole world understands, does, believes or is" does not know what they are talking about. Aron's anger, pain, frustration and hatred for God shows through his inability to have a proper debate. He says im right and your wrong therefore he sees himself as a god thats perfect in his own eyes.

    • @thomasservais3339
      @thomasservais3339 10 месяцев назад +6

      It has to be difficult always being right. Then constantly having to deal with these ignorant people preaching or speaking the same nonsense over and over and over…
      He cant hate something that doesn’t exist…

    • @brozgilson7022
      @brozgilson7022 5 месяцев назад

      Saying Aron hates god is like saying he hates flying pigs

    • @jayguilloty6560
      @jayguilloty6560 5 месяцев назад

      I’m not sure how your logic doesn’t include the very rule you decided to follow and base your life on. “People that say that or that don’t” is itself a binary approach to understanding the reality of something. Your excluding and not including how each viewpoint has a piece of reality to understand so that we(like the blind men and the elephant story) can realize that it’s not a tree trunk or rope or anything else we can anthropomorphize nature into. Truth is Whole. Any of Truth’s pieces are entangled in other emerging limited truths. Finite vs infinite. Both sides of this conversation describe One thing, I hope you’d agree. Objective Truth is real. If we can see what you can fathom of God in whom you consider your enemy, then I’d know you have an understanding of what I’m trying to point to here. Everything has good and bad, that’s how it can be a thing.

    • @knxcholx
      @knxcholx 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@brozgilson7022 would he devote his time to "disproving" flying pigs? Don't think he would

    • @branten123
      @branten123 2 месяца назад

      ​@@knxcholxhe will if billions of people believed that and force it on others

  • @aprilbrown3719
    @aprilbrown3719 4 года назад +49

    Cliffe I would just like to thank you for having such patience during this debate. This man called Aron’s lack of ability to articulate himself with being disrespectful is just outstanding. I think this debate should of been cut short when cliffe was called out his name. Cliffe I commend you with how you handled this debate. Stuart you did wonderful also.

    • @DanielApologetics
      @DanielApologetics 4 года назад

      I made a 5 minute debate review of this one on my channel,
      thought you might would be interested in it, based on your comment.

    • @sergiomerino1434
      @sergiomerino1434 3 года назад +4

      Cliff has no choice but to be patience. Aaron’s intelligence has cliff overwhelmed.

    • @kierananthony25
      @kierananthony25 2 года назад +1

      Cliffe appeals to scrips and cue cards, like he's been using them for years. The same dull, glib arguments based on magical man in the sky. Aron uses science.

    • @stevensoles2158
      @stevensoles2158 2 года назад +2

      @@sergiomerino1434 Aron is intelligent, but over tallking and interrupting is not what intellectuals do

    • @JohnWilliams-pk7ci
      @JohnWilliams-pk7ci Год назад

      Did you like when Cliffe was caught out in his lie about the baseball bat thing where he was speechless and totally humiliated.........did you really like that bit showing he broke one of the 10 commandments ?

  • @sheaconnelly4287
    @sheaconnelly4287 11 месяцев назад +34

    I have yet to see Aron speak in “debate”. Only “arguing” while drinking alcohol. It is sad.

  • @AmplifiedBluesHarmonica
    @AmplifiedBluesHarmonica 10 месяцев назад +12

    I’m an atheist, but for some reason, I can’t help but like Stuart…

    • @1surfpesca_
      @1surfpesca_ 10 месяцев назад +10

      It’s because Aron worships his own intelligence. He can’t go a single debate without drinking, cussing, and saying everyone’s a liar… and playing the victim . I understand the position of atheists and agnostics because I was the same most my life but Arons position is insufferable, he can quote the Bible all he wants all he does is read things out of context

    • @timmyflipz
      @timmyflipz 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@1surfpesca_what did he read out of context and what did he play victim about?

    • @alfredoparadike4106
      @alfredoparadike4106 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@1surfpesca_everyone is not a liar, but every religion is a lie

  • @MCJustJ420
    @MCJustJ420 Год назад +6

    22:40
    This is one of the most blatant examples of Science as a religion I've ever heard in my life
    If evolution is immoral, then transhumanism would be immoral too, because its a result of evolution, so his position isn't even consistent
    But even if you grant him this, his whole position comes down to "Humans always bad but science make human good"
    This is just the dumbest form of religion, Aron wants you to believe you're some flawed person who will always be immoral because its in your nature, so you need to give yourself up to technology and then you'll be a better person, and this is the same guy who tells you that having faith makes you an idiot

    • @MCJustJ420
      @MCJustJ420 6 месяцев назад +1

      @rocknroll1973 There is no misrepresentation there, its what logically follows from what he said
      My position here doesn't even have anything to do with theism

    • @MCJustJ420
      @MCJustJ420 6 месяцев назад +1

      @rocknroll1973 The argument is about how there are people who treat it as one, if you don't see the glaring similarities between what Aron said at that timestamp, and how religion functions, there is nothing to discuss here

    • @pbs7705
      @pbs7705 2 дня назад

      That's BS!

  • @sashavickers3800
    @sashavickers3800 11 месяцев назад +44

    I'm not a Christian but Cliffe is class

    • @kl690
      @kl690 11 месяцев назад +5

      Atleast someone not on the Christian side can acknowledge Cliffe’s composure. It’s hard to try and justify your viewpoint when the opposition won’t even let you speak. Id love to hear a debate where Aron can keep his mouth shut long enough to let the opposition make a statement so he then can make an (uninterrupted) statement and refute whatever he disagrees with like an actual debate should be.

    • @sashavickers3800
      @sashavickers3800 10 месяцев назад

      @kl690 the way this Aron debates or conducts himself he definitely needs Jesus. Disgusting human being

    • @Idk.lol7689
      @Idk.lol7689 8 месяцев назад

      @@kl690 well even then cliff isnt good at debating hes an amazing apologist but hes just not good at debating so its pretty dumb to have these to go at it it doesn't help that the moderator is completely useless

    • @kl690
      @kl690 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@Idk.lol7689 That’s not the point. Aron still won’t keep his mouth shut and interrupts every time Cliffe speaks. I really don’t care if Aron or anyone thinks Cliffe is a bad debater or wrong on his worldview… have some respect and let him speak and you can refute him when he’s done. We’re taught this as children but Aron can’t figure it out. The moderator also just lets Aron run rampant which is ridiculous. This video is a tough watch.
      It’s a simple matter of giving respect and not interrupting. Aron did neither this debate.

    • @Idk.lol7689
      @Idk.lol7689 8 месяцев назад

      @@kl690 yes i understand that i was adding to your comment🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @dallaskinard3143
    @dallaskinard3143 4 года назад +97

    This was the most unprofessional debate I've ever witnessed. Cliffe has SO much patience.

    • @DanielApologetics
      @DanielApologetics 4 года назад +3

      I made a 5 minute debate review of this one on my channel,
      thought you might would be interested in it, based on your comment.

    • @AMGSPORTS
      @AMGSPORTS 3 года назад +4

      Its aaron with the patience of all the lies cliffe spewed and tried to claim a fact

    • @redpillfreedom6692
      @redpillfreedom6692 2 года назад +3

      Cliff was misrepresenting Aron the entire debate

    • @JohnWilliams-pk7ci
      @JohnWilliams-pk7ci 2 года назад +3

      Seriously......Cliffe has the same script he's used for years......he literally doesn't Interact with Aaron he just goes to the next line of the script.....he's a complete simpleton weirdo

    • @solidground338
      @solidground338 Год назад +10

      @John Williams truth is consistent, is only a fool that believe something came out of Nothing

  • @jrl97
    @jrl97 Год назад +10

    You're a person good in debate when you can disagree with the person and still have a civil conversation. Now you know if Aron is good in debate

    • @sullivanpecharka3830
      @sullivanpecharka3830 7 месяцев назад

      You have no idea how to debate. Aron is witnessing a couple children attempt to put a square peg in a round hole over and over again.

    • @jacobplaza1788
      @jacobplaza1788 6 месяцев назад

      @@sullivanpecharka3830you are blind brother. a debate without civil discourse won’t go anywhere, its like the only thing that holds an actual debate together. how can you watch Aron completely disregard cliff’s points with a egocentric perspective and agree with the man. I mean nothing but love to you man and I struggle with being egocentric too. But the objective problem is too obvious. Can’t help but to feel you’re feelings are biased for Aron man and that’s not being intellectually honest and fair

  • @cbeer315
    @cbeer315 4 года назад +36

    I think this is a perfect example of what Jesus says in Matthew. 7:6 says "“Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." (NASB) or the Message paraphrase of Matthew 12-15 “When you knock on a door, be courteous in your greeting. If they welcome you, be gentle in your conversation. If they don’t welcome you, quietly withdraw. Don’t make a scene. Shrug your shoulders and be on your way. You can be sure that on Judgment Day they’ll be mighty sorry-but it’s no concern of yours now.

  • @SINQUEFIELD83
    @SINQUEFIELD83 2 года назад +57

    People are so disgusted with Christians, they completely disregard Aron's blatant disrespect. Now if people deny what I am saying then I have lost hope in humanity

    • @VainFriggus
      @VainFriggus 8 месяцев назад +3

      The entire time he is so bitter and angry

    • @supernova1725
      @supernova1725 6 месяцев назад

      Sure he may be disrespectful but it doesn’t change the fact that cliffe is stupid af

    • @nullspace_xxii.
      @nullspace_xxii. 6 месяцев назад +1

      I think Aron’s points were credible, but yes his behaviour was subpar and overall very rude

    • @grawss
      @grawss 4 месяца назад

      If serving God is 100% of Christianity, being persecuted is the other 80%.

  • @SINQUEFIELD83
    @SINQUEFIELD83 2 года назад +43

    Aron makes me want to be a better person. Thanks Aron!

    • @EddieSchultz62
      @EddieSchultz62 2 года назад +7

      I agree! It's because he's an educated person who can defend himself rather easily. Where Cliffe (and it's sad to say his son will follow in his footsteps) is educated to be an apologist. He is saying the same exact things today as he says in this video from 2 years ago. How much do these guys make after going through a long process of becoming an apologist?
      Stuart, it's not too late! 🙃

    • @lianadotjpeg
      @lianadotjpeg Год назад +7

      @@EddieSchultz62 Ah, yes. Because defending Biblical truth must always be done for monetary gain. Cliffe and Stuart rely on scientific fact to back their viewpoints. Aron bases his beliefs on his emotions.

    • @EddieSchultz62
      @EddieSchultz62 Год назад +5

      @@lianadotjpeg First of all, what biblical truth are you speaking of? And yes, most people who defend a holy book do it for monetary gain, because they know there are gullible people like you out there that buy into it. If they rely on 'scientific' facts to support their claims, tell me the scientific facts that support their views. It's the other way around, what Aron says is supported by facts, where Cliffe and his son's claims are based on faith.

    • @tkousek1
      @tkousek1 Год назад +2

      @@lianadotjpeg Aron is a self made millionaire for promoting atheism. Apologetics is not for monetary gain.

    • @richardclark.
      @richardclark. Год назад +1

      @@EddieSchultz62 A; its not about money. B;defending the Gospel and the fact used dont change. why would they need to say something different?

  • @brendamata9561
    @brendamata9561 3 года назад +23

    Aron didn’t even let him talk, he kept interrupting him It was really annoying

    • @christopherpizzimenti6573
      @christopherpizzimenti6573 3 года назад +1

      @@UnmaskedTuxedo truth or not, you have to let them finish talking, even though they were not lying at all because these are all subjective claims. They are all opinions about what they think is the truth.

  • @blva888
    @blva888 2 года назад +51

    Aron asks a question and doesn't let anyone answer he just talks over them. Typical Aron tactic.

    • @fnaffan6999
      @fnaffan6999 5 месяцев назад

      Yeah, Aron isn’t that good of a debater

    • @Nicolas-bj1ww
      @Nicolas-bj1ww 29 дней назад

      @@fnaffan6999 yeah ok you def didn’t watch this video lil bro 💀💀💀

  • @fadeitluie9356
    @fadeitluie9356 10 месяцев назад +4

    Aron really thinks that everyone thinks the same ? There's people in this world that think rape is okay and there's people that think is wrong. So how is relativism not relevant?

    • @1surfpesca_
      @1surfpesca_ 10 месяцев назад +3

      I almost imploded when I heard him say that. There are 1000% people who do horrible things for their own good…

    • @romanmay2867
      @romanmay2867 3 месяца назад

      @@1surfpesca_and he says it many many many times and even screams it lmao he’s just drunk lmao

  • @mitchallen5819
    @mitchallen5819 2 года назад +25

    I applaud Cliff on his patience. I cannot converse with someone who wants to only hear themselves and just cuts off the other person the first time they hear somethingthey disagree with without letting the person get out their entire point. This is why I don't debate.
    I will converse untill I'm drowned out. I'll just walk away, which unfortunately is often where people get the "oh they never have an answer for my question, they just turn away when they're asked". No, it's because you won't respectfully let them get their point out.
    This guy just doesn't know how to shut up and listen.

    • @johnjohnjman
      @johnjohnjman Год назад +1

      ya exactly

    • @GDaddyK
      @GDaddyK 9 месяцев назад

      💯

    • @iamwondered
      @iamwondered 8 месяцев назад

      Cliffe be lying that’s why, I’d get pissed too.

    • @mitchallen5819
      @mitchallen5819 8 месяцев назад

      @@iamwondered about what? What lies?

    • @vincentchamberlain107
      @vincentchamberlain107 8 месяцев назад

      @@mitchallen5819the entirety of the Bible lol

  • @hatersgotohell627
    @hatersgotohell627 3 года назад +20

    Please make another one with Aron Ra I know he's a lot to handle or an asshole but this is really interesting and probably one of the better conversations unlike the school campus children who don't have a leg to stand on.

    • @Demonizer5134
      @Demonizer5134 3 года назад +8

      Agreed. Even if you are a Christian you need to appreciate people like Aron Ra who can actually bring substantive discussion to the table.

    • @jackdangers3292
      @jackdangers3292 3 года назад +1

      They had one before this

    • @Mojojojo335
      @Mojojojo335 Год назад

      The same way Aron bombards Christians on the street with pre Thought out arguments to make them look stupid…

    • @epic6434
      @epic6434 Год назад

      ​@@Demonizer5134 like references to the 4 breeds of chimpanzees and how people have surpassed them because of caring for each other but animals do take care of their prides they just don't create but survive in the wilderness which is how humanity crawled out of darkness into light and he might think he's superior over many people as well but it only makes sense to his argument and not much to say he's got a point he's just going for the points but maybe he's not talking about chimpanzees cause we can look around society and wonder if there is a God how do you explain that to the chimpanzees 😂

  • @barendse1
    @barendse1 Год назад +1

    My grandfather used to say, "what doesn't kill you just hurts." He was great.

  • @widescreennavel
    @widescreennavel 6 месяцев назад +3

    This is why I will always love Aron Ra. He is so prepared and levels his opponent with a blizzard of facts that can't be denied. It's like a man among children here. Aron dominates these brats.

    • @orriarmannsson4609
      @orriarmannsson4609 4 месяца назад +4

      By talking over them

    • @BattousaiBeats1
      @BattousaiBeats1 Месяц назад +2

      ​@@orriarmannsson4609 and not listening. Let's not forget that lol

  • @stepheneasterbrook7634
    @stepheneasterbrook7634 3 года назад +11

    Cliffe, your patience and grace from God here is a wonderful example to all believers confronted by antagonistic opposition today. Praise God.

  • @05grandmarquis
    @05grandmarquis Месяц назад +1

    The fact he pours a beer at the beginning on screen just to spite stuart, tells me all i need to know

  • @jessewoods2374
    @jessewoods2374 11 месяцев назад +11

    Aaron is a narcissistic child. He never lets anyone else complete a sentence, but if he gets to talk they show respect and listen. And Aaron claims to have morals , but he disrespects at every opportunity.

    • @simonroe-ko8yx
      @simonroe-ko8yx 3 месяца назад +1

      o the irony of that comment

    • @kpm25
      @kpm25 3 месяца назад

      and they believe in some fancy toothfairy Santa Claus 😆

  • @dited358
    @dited358 8 месяцев назад +4

    Aaron has the conduct as if every reddit neckbeard atheist was combined into a single body, he about looks like it too.

  • @MarcV_IndieGameDev
    @MarcV_IndieGameDev 3 года назад +5

    From 45:00 - 45:45
    Crazy to watch this part...
    Please sit back and realise both these men want to help each other so badly...
    forget about the ideas for a moment and notice the passion for one another. That's humanity.
    Now put your filter back on and pick a side :(

  • @dreamsaresharedhere_
    @dreamsaresharedhere_ Год назад +5

    Aron practically argues against every other word Cliffe says and doesn't allow him to get a single point across. He comes off insecure

  • @raiden2048
    @raiden2048 9 месяцев назад +3

    stuart is too nice, would love to see sam shamoun humble aron on the trinity in the bible

  • @marcicecream
    @marcicecream 9 месяцев назад +4

    Aaron ra is a beast 💪💪

  • @daseanclark5462
    @daseanclark5462 4 года назад +19

    trying to disregard all the insults and interrupting, at 41:30 is where I stopped giving Aaron the benefit of the doubt. He says promoting wellbeing/happiness is the standard. when asked who Defines happiness/wellbeing, he says all of humanity universally agrees, yet that can’t be the case bc we have murderers & dictators who’d say otherwise... so obviously not everyone agrees on the definition; how can he not see that his standard is falty. it'd be solid logic if He atleast Agreed that someone defining genocide as true happiness is okay; atleast he'd be consistent in that case, but then it would cause good/evil(heal or kill) to be both legit, both equally moral/immoral and thus meaningless... I'm confused as to how he doesn't see this. To me he seems more occupied with throwing insults than having a solid conversations. If He's frustrated with the repetitiveness, I understand but even We can deal with the repetitive comments and insults yet be quiet enough to let someone finish their point.

    • @elzoog
      @elzoog 4 года назад +4

      The only person who can tell whether YOU are happy or not is YOU. Health and wellbeing can be objectively verified through medical science. So there isn't a one person answer to who defines those things. As to "defining genocide as true happiness" not even people who support genocide believe that. People who support genocide usually defend it on the basis of "Those people are evil or backward and they are getting in our way. So we should get rid of them". It's how the Europeans justified the genocide of the Native Americans for example.

    • @daseanclark5462
      @daseanclark5462 4 года назад

      @@elzoog I feel where you’re coming from but respectfully your response to what I said on genocide and happiness, only reiterates my point. That they don’t see what they’re doing to be a bad thing. They see it as a justice- a good thing to be promoted- bc they perceive the other side to be evil.

    • @elzoog
      @elzoog 4 года назад +1

      @@daseanclark5462 "They see it as a justice- a good thing to be promoted- bc they perceive the other side to be evil."
      So THEY think it's good based on the standard that Aron mentioned. This is one point of evidence that the STANDARD is universal. I notice that you did NOT argue that Pol Pot was NOT trying to apply that standard. You just think that he failed in applying it.
      By the way, the idea that evil is actually a twisted or incorrect application of good is a CHRISTIAN concept. If you don't believe me, ask any priest who is an eastern rite Catholic, or one of the various forms of Orthodox.

    • @daseanclark5462
      @daseanclark5462 4 года назад +4

      @@elzoog I’ll be honest I’m confused lol. so what you’re saying is.. if they think it’s good to commit genocide- u say this coincides with his standard- but also if we think it’s bad, that also coincides with his standard?
      doesnt that conclude that both are completely legitimate? That it really doesn’t matter which u choose? Aarons whole point was people universally agree on what happiness/well-being is, but that’s just not true.
      Idk who Pol Pot is tbh, I’ve heard his name thrown around a lot but never looked into him. And the point about Christianity and evil being a twist of good, I don’t see the relevance to the original point

    • @daseanclark5462
      @daseanclark5462 4 года назад +3

      Like your point was people who commit it don’t view it as genocide but as a necessary good thing rather.
      But we’d agree genocide is genocide no matter how u justify it, correct?

  • @ryanandrews9102
    @ryanandrews9102 9 месяцев назад +3

    Aron gets offended when someone starts an argument with him that he can’t argue against. He wants to be in control of the argument, and when he’s not, he gets upset. That’s why when Cliffe came on he flew into a rage.

    • @WarriorsforChristOfficial
      @WarriorsforChristOfficial 7 месяцев назад

      I can attest to this. Last year at satancon he couldn't answer me when he couldn't deemed his position we don't have a soul.
      He got upset, and ran away saying he just wanted to enjoy the conference.
      You could tell he's used to pre packaged arguments

  • @smashcrew7291
    @smashcrew7291 4 года назад +40

    What a bitter old man this Aron guy is, hope God would change him for His glory. He sure needs it

    • @musicgal9830
      @musicgal9830 4 года назад +2

      boxing fan uk - - “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” - '' - ''Another dies in bitterness of soul, never having tasted of prosperity.''
      - For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity.”

    • @DanielApologetics
      @DanielApologetics 4 года назад

      I made a 5 minute debate review of this one on my channel,
      thought you might would be interested in it, based on your comment.

    • @familyjermihov2503
      @familyjermihov2503 4 года назад +4

      Varsity S. it’s a good thing the bible isn’t a replacement for the DSM-V. Holy shit. Quoting scripture is just another way to gaslight from cryptic authority.

  • @Justanidea5976
    @Justanidea5976 4 года назад +10

    The issue with Aron's whole argument is that it's subjective in his own belief. He can say no one wants to harm people and that he puts his moral faith into humanity, but look at history, look at some of the examples he himself brought up.
    The issue with him saying that's "objective" is that if he was in a down-trodden area, his look on that would be totally different.
    Btw, it DOES NOT say anything about sex slaves. LMAO.

    • @dwendt44
      @dwendt44 4 года назад +3

      He's generalizing of course. There are a handful of fools that want to hurt people. But generally no.
      What do you think(assuming you do) it means when virgin females are to be saves as rewards for slaughtering every male, old women and females that have had sex? Solomon had hundreds of sex slaves (concubine).

    • @tristanlmao-d3r
      @tristanlmao-d3r 13 дней назад +1

      Atheist will use that I make what's objectively moral to me until the shoes are on the other feet

  • @mileschampion3066
    @mileschampion3066 2 года назад +14

    Poor Aron doesn't even let Cliffe talk. He would probably be a lot more level headed if he wasn't drinking. I've never seen him in a debate without beer🤣🤣

    • @Jaryism
      @Jaryism 2 года назад

      Trust me he’s just as much an asshole

    • @deviouskris3012
      @deviouskris3012 2 года назад +8

      Perhaps cliff should stop lying, trying to put words in his mouth or making statements that need to be immediately rebutted. Then AR wouldn’t need to interrupt him.

    • @Jaryism
      @Jaryism 2 года назад

      @@deviouskris3012 oh shut the fuck up, Aron Ra gives no respect he gets none.. he's a loser

    • @solidground338
      @solidground338 Год назад

      @Devious Kris maybe your stupid aron should stop being stupid on a debate

    • @huguesdepayens807
      @huguesdepayens807 Год назад

      @@Jaryism Lmao, cry about it.

  • @Mixedjoshh
    @Mixedjoshh 3 года назад +11

    Aron talks about promoting happiness and well being. But he fails to realize who says that’s good? Is it just his opinion that that should be the moral standard? Who says happiness and peoples well being is good and moral he can’t answer that.

    • @Mixedjoshh
      @Mixedjoshh 3 года назад +1

      @@UnmaskedTuxedo it is an opinion lol. First principals according to who? You? That’s ur opinion. Atheists can’t have objective morality.

    • @mistylover7398
      @mistylover7398 3 года назад +3

      @@Mixedjoshh says who? You believers can't either.

    • @mountbrocken
      @mountbrocken 2 года назад +1

      Its the naturalistic fallacy. Read Mill's work on Utilitarianism. I teach ethics in college and while Mill's utilitarianism is helpful, it isn't the same as saying we 'ought' to do something, which is deontic as well as grounded in virtue ethics. We promote happiness and well being BECAUSE it promotes those things. This isn't ethics but merely logic.

    • @edominguez6675
      @edominguez6675 11 месяцев назад

      @@mistylover7398god

  • @misterRDF
    @misterRDF 4 года назад +21

    I have no idea why Cliff bothered to "debate" with this guy after the last crapshow.

    • @dwendt44
      @dwendt44 4 года назад +8

      For one, when you make your living selling crapola like Cliffe does, you can't help yourself. He's convinced himself he's right even though he has zero evidence to support his baseless claims.

    • @misterRDF
      @misterRDF 4 года назад +7

      @@dwendt44 Uh huh... lol.

    • @DanielApologetics
      @DanielApologetics 4 года назад

      I made a 5 minute debate review of this one on my channel,
      thought you might would be interested in it, based on your comment.

    • @poozer1986
      @poozer1986 3 года назад +1

      @@misterRDF is that the extent of your answer. Anyone who holds the position of God, is automatically wrong, until they can prove themselves right.

    • @misterRDF
      @misterRDF 3 года назад +1

      @@poozer1986 Uh huh...

  • @Mojojojo335
    @Mojojojo335 2 года назад +23

    Aron: Immorality is something that causes unnecessary Harm to someone
    Also Aron: Explicitly Cursing out and disrespecting Cliffe the whole debate

    • @redpillfreedom6692
      @redpillfreedom6692 2 года назад +2

      He's giving Cliffe as much respect as he deserves; none whatsoever.

    • @4DYearOldRapper
      @4DYearOldRapper Год назад +8

      @@redpillfreedom6692 That proves that the Christians are more intelligent and way more kind and humble.

    • @Mojojojo335
      @Mojojojo335 Год назад +7

      @@redpillfreedom6692 he deserves no respect because you disagree with him?? …. I used to believe The Godless still could have morals but you’re making me wanna rethink that. 💀

    • @GraceAlone614
      @GraceAlone614 Год назад +1

      ​@@redpillfreedom6692and what has Cliffe done to deserve such vitriol? Nothing, whatsoever.

    • @advil6356
      @advil6356 Год назад +1

      ​@@redpillfreedom6692 Wrong, that's the entire point of a debate. To find which side is correct and therin respect it. There's no defending Aron in this man.

  • @allecgustafson1292
    @allecgustafson1292 4 месяца назад +1

    Aron's definition are more superior than anyone else's ever throughout history.

  • @rightousliving
    @rightousliving 2 года назад +6

    Great debate. There is room for Aron and Clive to learn from each other, both are very headstrong and equally convinced of what they believe. Aron is a better match for Clive than most of the students I saw him debate in other videos. It will be a far greater challenge for Clive to convince Aron and I do believe he needs to adjust his method to more clearly learn the premise from which Aron comes. As Christians we don’t have to prove that Jesus is God and the bible infallible but we have to find a way to get across the message that Jesus died for our sins and that we can have a personal relationship now with God through the Holy Spirit if we repent and accept the sacrifice. About morality, Aron is right that it is something that does not just arise from evolution but it places a great part in it. God’s morality however is rooted not in evolution but His love for mankind. Only God can foresee the future and therefore the first commandment is to put him first in everything. Human morality is shaky because it doesn’t look far enough from the here and now. Well meaning morality often leads to evil especially when bad things happen and one doesn’t know who or what to blame. However people used to use God to give them justification to do bad things like the witch hunts and many other atrocities of the past. God is also often used as a justification to attack other countries in a so called righteous war like president Bush did when invading Afghanistan. Christianity has gotten a bad name because of misuses like this. Christians often went along with atrocities because they rejected the Holy Spirit not embracing the prophetic gifts thus not able anymore to discern spirits. Demons gained control of Christians because they stopped believing into Demons and the devil, and therefore nobody in church knows anymore how to use authority over them. Healings don’t happen because faith has been reduced to a rattling down of empty prayers and confessions of believe in Jesus but denying the power of God through their lifestyles. Who when sick still goes to the elders to have them pray over them, instead most immediately run to their doctors or chemist which shows how much trust they really have in Jesus. If Christians can’t trust God for healing, how can they trust him for salvation which is a far greater work? Because of the lack of faith amongst Christians they have long stopped being the salt of the earth and are trampled over wherever they go. We need a revival of the Holy Spirit again, because only the Holy Spirit can convict the hearts of people like Aron of sin, righteousness and the coming judgement. That’s what I’m praying because everything else, important as it is we do, won’t do any good unless God is with us.

    • @MuhammadsMohel
      @MuhammadsMohel 2 года назад +1

      In a martial arts versus skepticism analogy. Aron has a lot to "lose" image-wise and can maintain his image and ego by "doubling down" and staying off the mat and doubting versus humbling himself, getting on the mat (drawing near) Evolution being true doesn't discount Jesus. See S. Joshua Swamidass on that topic. Evolution or Naturalism doesn't equal atheism. See Alvin Plantiga.

    • @rightousliving
      @rightousliving 2 года назад +2

      @@MuhammadsMohel that‘s true, evolution doesn’t equal atheism but many seem to think this. Evolution however doesn’t explain creation or the origin, it only is a rational and logical explanation of how nature adapts to changes in its environment. It doesn’t really matter how God created the universe, what matters is that Jesus died for our sins and rose again so that we now can be forgiven when we accept this free gift. Debating about the reliability of scripture is something Christians can do amongst themselves but it won’t convince non-believers because there are too many voices out there and whom should they believe? Only because we say the bible is true doesn’t necessarily make it so. Therefore it needs a stronger proof. Paul said that he didn’t try to convince people through clever speeches but through the power and demonstration of the Holy Spirit. Signs and wonders are the confirmation that God is with us, the very reason why false prophets like the Antichrist try to imitate them. However nobody can cast out demons and heal the sick unless God is with them. Therefore we Christians need to stop convincing people through arguments alone but proof that God is with us. The very definition of a Witness (Martyr) is someone who is able to proof what he believes.

    • @alecmackintosh2734
      @alecmackintosh2734 2 года назад +1

      If an athiest doesn't have sufficient reason to believe that Jesus even existed, then why should we acknowledge the story of his sacrifice for our sins as anything but a story? It's not like we can't appreciate the meaning and the lessons from the story, Anakin Skywalker sacrificed himself to save the galaxy and his son and now is one with the living force, it doesn't mean that he and the rest of Star Wars isn't fiction. Before you say that places referenced in the bible were real, remember that New York city is a real city, it doesn't mean that the Chitauri are confirmed to have invaded new york in 2012. The bible from what we know so far, is just a story and we shouldn't have to treat it anymore than that until we can we have considerable evidence to the contrary.

    • @rightousliving
      @rightousliving 2 года назад

      @@alecmackintosh2734 you couldn’t be more wrong. There is absolute no comparison here. If there were hundreds of witness accounts of Luke Skywalker having been raised from the dead and that he really lived, added to this accounts of people investigating the claims, yes, maybe you would have a point. But you don’t.

    • @alecmackintosh2734
      @alecmackintosh2734 2 года назад

      @@rightousliving hundreds of people file police reports that they have seen ghosts, does that mean that they are real? Witness testimony if used at all is the least reliable form of evidence, when people say "seeing is believing" they mean themselves seeing it, not someone else.

  • @carolus9644
    @carolus9644 Год назад +8

    Aron is literally the stereotypical Reddit Atheist that doesn’t have any arguments besides “it’s wrong and you secretly believe it’s wrong because of these other people (who may or may not be real) who admit it isn’t real” and then badgers his way into breaking down his opponent until they can’t handle debating him anymore. I admire Stuart and Cliffe’s patience, I’d never be able to have a discussion with someone like Aron for more than ten minutes
    55:19 thereabout is the perfect example. Just badgering and interrupting Cliffe while he’s trying to make a point. Aron doesn’t listen and isn’t an intellectually honest debater. He doesn’t debate religion in good faith (haha) and, like Stuart has said in a different debate, he’s probably only arguing from unresolved trauma.

    • @robertylonen1896
      @robertylonen1896 Год назад

      Yea dude, when someone is constantly making incredibly dumb arguments that are based on absolutely nothing but lies. I would interrupt that shit too.

    • @MKSAMA.
      @MKSAMA. Год назад +1

      @@robertylonen1896where and when are the lies told? Bc this guy throughout the whole hour and 30 minutes just kept repeating “if ur gonna keep lying why are we talking” when in reality there were ZERO objective lies instead only things he doesn’t believe which we have evidence for (which he also rejects…shocker) Listening to him ask questions and then not let anyone answer is deadass worse than nails on a chalkboard

    • @RyanGhezawi
      @RyanGhezawi 11 месяцев назад +1

      Cliffe has no point to be made he just spouts irrelevant nonsense, that’s the thing about being stupid you don’t realize it but it’s just infuriating for everyone else, conversely Stuart and Aron always have fine conversations, because Stuart is a lot more genuine than his father, and is able to admit when he makes a mistake

    • @robertylonen1896
      @robertylonen1896 11 месяцев назад

      @@MKSAMA. the word evidence and Christian sound ironically incredibly funny together :D

    • @MKSAMA.
      @MKSAMA. 11 месяцев назад

      come back with with an argument@@robertylonen1896

  • @matthewjeffries4976
    @matthewjeffries4976 7 месяцев назад

    Well done Stuart and Cliffe by not allowing Aron to dominate the debate. God bless.

  • @landofthefree2023
    @landofthefree2023 3 года назад +21

    I am Aron!
    I am Aron Ra!
    I am Not Wrong... You must obey my logic

    • @dp9550
      @dp9550 3 года назад +4

      At least he has Logic.

    • @Infinite111_
      @Infinite111_ 3 года назад +8

      @@dp9550 no he doesn’t

    • @dp9550
      @dp9550 3 года назад +2

      @@Infinite111_ Oh yes

    • @furiousinsects6386
      @furiousinsects6386 2 года назад +1

      Watch it again. And again. And again. Watch so many times before you understand what’s going on. Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

    • @landofthefree2023
      @landofthefree2023 2 года назад

      @@furiousinsects6386 Exactly! And to fully appreciate your perspective " just because you think you understand something, doesn't mean it is right."

  • @diffgeo23
    @diffgeo23 4 года назад +37

    "Either you get bitter ... or you get better." CS

    • @deanmccrorie3461
      @deanmccrorie3461 3 года назад

      ‘Get busy living, or get busy dying....that’s goddamn right’
      -Red

    • @landofthefree2023
      @landofthefree2023 3 года назад

      @@deanmccrorie3461 is that Rhett Butler?
      "You're either busy being born or you're busy dying"
      Either way we are either along for the ride or we care about our direction.
      Regardless of fundamental beliefs, I think most of humanity faces both realities.
      Though I think it is common place to them nk death happens to someone else. Eventually we will all discover otherwise.
      I know some of mankinds pursuit is to incorporate man and machine in order to live forever.

    • @deanmccrorie3461
      @deanmccrorie3461 3 года назад

      @@landofthefree2023 no it’s from Red, Shawshank Redemption

    • @landofthefree2023
      @landofthefree2023 3 года назад

      @@deanmccrorie3461
      Dynamic Movie

    • @ps123fan
      @ps123fan 3 года назад

      haha (: thats.. well i guess theres some truth to that

  • @TheToxicGunn3r
    @TheToxicGunn3r 7 месяцев назад +2

    There was a couple points in this where Aron is like so close to getting what Cliffe is saying and then he just goes “Nope. Didn’t happen” “that’s a lie” etc and wouldn’t even genuinely engage with it. He holds positions I used to as an atheist. It took a lot for me to become open to the idea. His heart is extremely hardened. He probably had bad experiences with hypocritical religious people, as many of us have had. It’s sad and unfortunate.

  • @zakkwhites7993
    @zakkwhites7993 9 месяцев назад +4

    I laughed when Aron said that Cliffe didn’t make a 2nd point so how can he make a 3rd 😂 if you’d stop talking and listen you might’ve heard it. Yelling is not an argument

  • @Tohsu1337
    @Tohsu1337 Год назад +33

    There’s no way in hell Aron would sacrifice himself for anyone 😂😂😂

    • @mattwhite7287
      @mattwhite7287 Год назад

      U think the con artists you worship would? Preacher is a job title pal, and they have been abusing the innocent for millenia.$$$$ 😅
      I can guarentee you these clowns make far more and do far less than aron ra

    • @btemplr4
      @btemplr4 Год назад +1

      But what if he did? Pray for him

    • @richarddeerflame
      @richarddeerflame Год назад +1

      We hope he would... But... we dont know

    • @liamtaylor849
      @liamtaylor849 Год назад +2

      Well in hell no, becasue hell doesn't exist but he said he would so it's probable that he would.

    • @Silver77cyn
      @Silver77cyn 7 месяцев назад

      You don't know that.

  • @sonyadonnegan1983
    @sonyadonnegan1983 20 дней назад +1

    Aron seems calm when Staurt is talking but as soon as Cliffe comes on he starts raging

  • @jacobwhitstine3845
    @jacobwhitstine3845 3 года назад +15

    You get nothing out of this I watched almost 30 min the atheist gets to talk by himself and then when the Christian is brought on he gets talked over the whole time re do it where both sides can speak and I would listen to the whole thing

    • @jadederaentertainment
      @jadederaentertainment 3 года назад +4

      @@UnmaskedTuxedo stubborn dishonesty? When is it coherent to talk over people in a debate? It’s childish. I’d say Aron is just as stubborn and dishonest as you claim Stuart to be. Pathetic, Aron has no sense of patience or tolerance, lame.

    • @thomaswatkins1842
      @thomaswatkins1842 3 года назад +4

      @@jadederaentertainment he has no patience because he has the same conversation over and over again and all the christians say the same stupid things over and over again. All he wants is one piece of evidence and he completely destroys what they give him in his responses.

    • @codeblood2000
      @codeblood2000 3 года назад +2

      atheists say the same stupid things especially when they're inmature and full of anger over God which they claim they don't believe in

    • @mistylover7398
      @mistylover7398 3 года назад +1

      @@codeblood2000 guz you're imaginary friend is evil if he's real and the real atheists is people like your poison mindset so of course we're angry about stupidity 😆 you people really are hopeless to ever educate. Grow up

    • @chibibeetle
      @chibibeetle 3 года назад +4

      He 'interrupts' people when they say something that is a lie, wrong, misrepresent him or something else, or just to correct them.

  • @silentguck57
    @silentguck57 8 месяцев назад +3

    Aron is pretty arrogant. I see why Cliffe gets upset because he has to repeat himself so many times on just one sentence also getting interrupted every other sentence it would bug the day lights out of me.

  • @philipmurdock8830
    @philipmurdock8830 3 года назад +2

    Perversion of bible passages and slandering God is the mentality of people like this atheist. We still love them and pray for them.

  • @groache1501
    @groache1501 3 года назад +6

    According to Aron's view of reality, human beings are evolved animals, which means that what we refer to as morality, are nothing more than sociobiological traits evolved by our species. What that means is that a person can act in accordance with those traits, or act contrary to them. So to hit someone in the head with a baseball bat would simply be acting out of fashion to our "evolved" traits. And that's it. Evolution does not have a mind to create any standard or laws that one must adhere to. Only evolved traits for our particular species.
    So atheism does not fit our experience of life, because we are well aware that to hit an innocent person in the head with a bat is absolutely evil, not someone acting out of fashion to evolved traits, which is all evolution can provide. So whatever standard Aron wants to create is irrelevant to reality according to his own worldview.

    • @kierananthony25
      @kierananthony25 2 года назад +1

      It's interesting. If you hit your girlfriend in the head with a bat, she will likely not like that and will refuse to have sex with you. Thus, halting the reproduction of human beings. Violence, in many ways, causes an impediment to evolutionary progression.
      Theistic worldview is based on an ancient book, rife with contradictions and violence and rape, and slavery. It tells us that violence is ok. It also tells us it isn't. Secular morality has very LITTLE if not any contradictions. Any normal person in society knows and understands that hitting someone in the head with a bat for no reason is evil and wrong. I knew that LONG before I even knew what a bible was.

    • @mardishores4016
      @mardishores4016 Год назад

      Yes. And don't forget the hate preachers who think homosexuals should be rounded up and shot in the back of the head.

  • @larpy
    @larpy 4 года назад +5

    ARON IS VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO Christianity. How dare he say Jesus is fake, just insulted Jesus and all the Christians, Catholics. Aron keeps swearing. Dark side vs the light. Even his room is all dark and he’s drinking a beer. There’s no point debating with Aron because his heart is too hardened. The only way he will believe if something miraculous happened and he’s on his death bed or something.

    • @repentandfollowjesus3474
      @repentandfollowjesus3474 4 года назад +2

      Catholics insult Jesus also.

    • @larpy
      @larpy 4 года назад

      repent and follow Jesus True! Some Catholics follow Jesus too though. So it depends. I guess they worship Mary a lot and the Catholics I know don’t read the bible.

    • @dwendt44
      @dwendt44 4 года назад +4

      @@larpy Odd, as few christians, Catholic or Prostestants, read the bible. Most Atheism have read it. In many cases, reading it is a large part of why they are now Atheists.

    • @larpy
      @larpy 4 года назад +1

      dwendt44 Maybe not reading it in its context. If you look at how Jesus lived died and rose again and thousands of eyewitness accounts who saw. Have you looked at the evidence of the bible ? Life always comes from life. When have you seen life come from nothing? If we were all an accident their is not objective morals. You cannot say to someone else murder is wrong because in their culture murder could be right. Christians believe in a moral just God that’s why we know what is wrong and right. We have a conscience and soul.

    • @dwendt44
      @dwendt44 4 года назад +1

      @@larpy Reading it in context is just as bad. There were no witnesses, period. The baseless claim that there was proves nothing other than the dishonesty of the writers. The bible is not evidence. A book of fairy tales at best.
      The word 'soul' means 'breath' look it up. There is no 'objective' morals. Try citing an example of one. Society, in whole decides morals aside from common sense.
      The bible supports slavery, condones incest, exemplifies polygamy, advocates child abuse, approves of genocide, and tells believers to kill those who don't believe, or don't believe correctly.

  • @allecgustafson1292
    @allecgustafson1292 4 месяца назад +1

    Everybody and everyone always no matter what believes and agrees with everything Aron says. yet for some reason he feels the need to express his opinions and thoughts. make perfect sense.

  • @talonchenault3853
    @talonchenault3853 11 месяцев назад +11

    Satan has his hands all over Aron. That and I think Aron proves how hateful he truly is when Cliffe says anything. It's absolutely abhorrent how angry he gets, the names he calls Cliffe, and Jesus for that fact. I pray for Aron's soul.

  • @C4ntrol
    @C4ntrol 3 года назад +30

    This is what a lack of God does to a man? My faith strengthens every day

    • @matrixzone7503
      @matrixzone7503 3 года назад +6

      he’s very intelligent ?im curious wht tht means by does to a man

    • @willdavey1565
      @willdavey1565 3 года назад +7

      Just because he dresses and looks different to you that somehow makes him less? Your not a very good Christian.

    • @huepix
      @huepix 3 года назад +3

      Strengthened faith.
      Lol.
      Do you mean, the more reality disproves supernatural superstitions, the more you need "make believe" to justify your imagination?

    • @somesoccerguy4817
      @somesoccerguy4817 3 года назад

      ...when you argue with a drunkard.

    • @somesoccerguy4817
      @somesoccerguy4817 3 года назад

      @@globalcoupledances but then how will we get our virgins?

  • @restivedesigns7771
    @restivedesigns7771 5 месяцев назад +2

    Praying for Aaron Ra. I pray the Lord reveals themselves to him. I pray the demons that are binding and blinding him are bound in Jesus' name.

    • @kentkvalnes4621
      @kentkvalnes4621 4 месяца назад +2

      Stop wasting your time with prayers. It doesn't work on any ateists, included me. I take that as an insult. And prayers only prove that you are gullible to believe that it works. You are just ridiculous.

    • @JustanotherAccount6284
      @JustanotherAccount6284 4 месяца назад

      @@kentkvalnes4621we’ve literally seen it work tho🤣

    • @bronzetv8534
      @bronzetv8534 4 месяца назад

      Amen!

  • @bvokey8842
    @bvokey8842 4 года назад +4

    I’d be interested to hear what Aron thinks about the countless people who have seen angels, apparitions, and the like. What proof would he have to refute it.

    • @theoskeptomai2535
      @theoskeptomai2535 4 года назад +2

      Have any of these sightings of angels, apparitions, or spirits ever been validated for validity, accuracy, or authenticity?

    • @bvokey8842
      @bvokey8842 4 года назад +2

      Theo Skeptomai Again, what proof is there to refute it? You can’t find any. The fact that so many people over the centuries have had these experiences is sufficient evidence to that they exist.

    • @theoskeptomai2535
      @theoskeptomai2535 4 года назад +1

      @@bvokey8842So was that a 'yes' or a 'no'? You didn't address the question I asked. Is there anything preventing you from doing so?

    • @bvokey8842
      @bvokey8842 4 года назад +2

      Theo Skeptomai The validation comes from the sheer quantity of people who have had these experiences have have written about them. Your can’t disregard that as non-evidence just because you choose not to accept it.

    • @theoskeptomai2535
      @theoskeptomai2535 4 года назад +1

      @@bvokey8842 The number of persons making claim does not provide _validation,_ but commonality. Validation comes from public and independent _verification_ demonstrating consistency, accuracy, and authenticity of such reports. Do you agree?

  • @VerochkaEltz
    @VerochkaEltz 7 месяцев назад +3

    Aron Ra, an American thinker, greatly inspires me with his ideas.

  • @GloryGeist
    @GloryGeist 7 месяцев назад

    Thank god for these Atheists
    The platform and format of these types of videos is perfect for Atheists to shine, they seek extreme measures of data to combat the actual mortality of life ( being extremely supernatural )
    This is what us Christians need, true tests. True battles, true Holy Spirit to be able to walk through them in a level headed manner

  • @happybutter19
    @happybutter19 4 года назад +38

    Why do people debate this Aron Ra? He sounds like a tantruming toddler.

    • @happybutter19
      @happybutter19 4 года назад +2

      @boxing fan uk What debate were you watching?

    • @QSilence
      @QSilence 4 года назад +2

      Right he didn't even let Cliffe and Stuart get their points out let alone respect the debate by being humble to ppl in which he preaches humanity has self righteous morales found on our own without a God but he cant even build up enough common courtesy to listen. Smh. He insults those who has a different opinion from his. Hes definitely showing what an ignorant atheist looks like. He expresses that Cliffe and Stuart are ignorant to his definitions but has the audacity to attack our Lord and Saviour out of context. Smh pray for this lost sole. And stop debating him till he humbled himself. Gees sounds like a whining grown baby.

    • @Lerian_V
      @Lerian_V 4 года назад +1

      @boxing fan uk He absolutely won. Hahaha

    • @kiastar67
      @kiastar67 4 года назад +3

      @@Lerian_V Guys, people are going to say that the guy who is like-minded with them is the "winner." Emotion or cussing doesn't make someone a loser or winner. Being flat affect when speaking doesn't make someone a winner or loser. To sit around and make desperate statements about the character is asinine.
      On the other debate just recently with AronRa, Cliffe, and Stuart, I thought The older Christian gentleman and AronRa BOTH were very passionate and demonstrative, even both getting a little riled up and condescending a few times and the younger Christian guy was more even-keeled in the delivery of his portion of speaking. I didn't think anyone was OVERALL pissed at life and disliked their life. When people do this, they are often projecting their own nonsense.
      How about we all stay far away and clear from that and what so many are doing on the message board?

    • @Lerian_V
      @Lerian_V 4 года назад

      @@kiastar67 You're on point, Kia.

  • @xanderjones6239
    @xanderjones6239 10 месяцев назад +5

    I came here for Aron, and always love him, but i genuinely like Stuart. Him and Aron seem to get along well, which is a wolrd id like to live in

    • @kylerichard2040
      @kylerichard2040 4 месяца назад

      Aron is a yelling dude who literally will not stop speaking to let cliffe talk. Guys just yells “I’m right ! You’re wrong!” I’ve heard 3 year olds debate better than Aron. Guy can’t shut his lips for 2 seconds to let anyone talk, that’s a debate ? Nobody got anything out of this debate. Aron is a fraud and manipulator and needs to learn to listen .

  • @ducluv
    @ducluv 3 года назад +2

    We only wage war with the flesh when we do not have inner peace. Seeking inner peace is the most difficult battle as that is when we are confronted with our own iniquities.

  • @heelspur3403
    @heelspur3403 3 года назад +17

    Aron refuses to allow Cliff to speak. Again Cliff says "I believe " , Aron talks over him with insults. Where's the dialoge? And I'm supposed to believe this is a conversation?

  • @Corvin3x6
    @Corvin3x6 2 года назад +17

    When Cliffe said he was a skeptic (1:19:04) I almost fell out of my chair laughing! Aron nailed the absurdity of that statement perfectly. The problem with debating clergy on theology is they can never admit they really don't believe in the bible without risking their livelihoods. A Barna survey showed that more than 50% of pastors are in this difficult situation but feel stuck because they have no skills that translate well to the private sector. Everyone rightfully needs some hope, tribe, and security in life which is why religions still exist. But that doesn't make any religion true no matter how much the adherents want it to be true. Believe what you want, but making spiritual truth claims that by their very nature rely on faith, is dishonest and unethical. Instead, just say you believe on faith, not on facts. That will prevent you from being a fraud and a swindler. Fun debate to watch but IMO Aron Ra won by a mile.

    • @Mojojojo335
      @Mojojojo335 2 года назад +22

      I think it’s funny how You proclaim victory for him after you just Proved your overwhelming bias Towards atheism🤣….

    • @Corvin3x6
      @Corvin3x6 2 года назад +8

      @@Mojojojo335 I can accept the possibility of a supernatural realm but I completely reject the Bible as the inerrant word of God. There was a time when I desperately wanted to believe the bible was true but objective consideration of the evidence left me with the choice of being honest or staying in Christian the church. I chose to be honest. I would encourage you to listen to Bart Ehrman if you're willing to start with the facts rather than a conclusion. Cheers! 😁

    • @robinrobyn1714
      @robinrobyn1714 2 года назад +1

      Aron Ra lost the debate. In fact, he never won a single debate that he's ever engaged in with any Theist. Atheists are ignorant af.

    • @D1sc0rd-
      @D1sc0rd- 2 года назад +11

      @@Corvin3x6 I have listened to Bart Ehrman, plenty when I was an atheist. There was a time when I desperately wanted the bible to not be true, but objective consideration of the evidence left me with the choice of being honest or denying Him. I chose Christ

    • @Corvin3x6
      @Corvin3x6 2 года назад

      @@D1sc0rd- It's nice to hear you arrived at your belief through objective consideration instead of hope and faith. That's very rare. Now consider this: Your "free will" to "choose" to be a Christian is an illusion. Nobody chooses to be a Christian or atheist. We don't get to pick what we believe. It's always based on our understanding. Don't believe me? Choose to believe 2+2=5. You can't choose to believe that because you understand differently. If you're like most Christians, you believe that your god sends people to hell for "choosing" not to believe in Jesus. What this really means is god sends people to hell for not understanding correctly. Truly an unjust god indeed. Happily, the vast majority of science, archeology, and critical thinkers have shown the claims of the bible are extremely unlikely to be true. Have a good day!

  • @ChristianTedTalks
    @ChristianTedTalks 10 месяцев назад +1

    1:20:24 backtracked 45 seconds just like he said and yikes. He did exactly what Cliffe said he did.
    And then right after that “if you want to end this conversation, call me a liar one more time. You are a liar….”
    Yikes Aron. Super poorly presented. He’s so in your head you can’t let the man speak.

  • @freedom4life312
    @freedom4life312 2 года назад +3

    Ummmm, Ra doesn't know that some of us went from simply believing....to KNOWING that Jesus Christ is alive, well and active. Once a human is born Again through the miraculous power of the Holy Spirit, the Truth Jesus Christ is revealed to us personally. Once this occurs....it's an undeniable real life experience. What the bible says about being given a new heart, the Holy Spirit being our helper, knowing right from wrong, no longer feeling lost and confussed, and desiring what's right is absolutely CORRECT! The problem that athiests have is not am intellectual one, but a spiritual one. If only they would humble themselves to really and truelly seek, and have an open mind, then they should have no problem having a one on one with Jesus and repenting before him in the privacy of their room. Most athiests I know also have a huge pride issue that prevents them from seeking Christ. We need to pray for our athiest friends in hopes that they find Jesus before it's too late. ❤️

  • @BreadBaker33
    @BreadBaker33 2 года назад +11

    It hurts my heart to see people belittling others! Aron has moral standards yet he's so disrespectful! I rather follow an "imaginary being" than follow Aron's moral standards! I honestly am so sad for Aron because Hell needs firewood and he seems a good sizable one!

    • @BreadBaker33
      @BreadBaker33 2 года назад +2

      Something else that's ironic....this guy should just wakeup already and live in reality!
      Aron (/ˈærən/) is a masculine given name and a surname. It is an alternate spelling of Aaron, prominent biblical figure in the Old Testament. The name Aron means Teaching, Singing and is of Hebrew origin. The name means "mountaineer", or "mount of strength".

    • @Bugsy0333
      @Bugsy0333 2 года назад +1

      I rather follow an "imaginary being" Speaks volumes of how far you will go to dendend such a position.I feel sorry for you.

    • @richarddeerflame
      @richarddeerflame Год назад

      @@Bugsy0333 Another Aron like person. Do you only believe your own inner Dialogue only as well and not listen nor think further about things that the ego allows?

  • @wilcandou
    @wilcandou 10 месяцев назад +2

    Aron is just a flat out objectionist... say no for the sake wanting to be different. He can't listen!

  • @chidy9699
    @chidy9699 2 года назад +4

    Remember that Cliffe talked about how there has to be a standard above culture if he tries to argue that we have to look at biblical violence and slavery with in the context of that time period.

    • @jesuscaresaboutyou100
      @jesuscaresaboutyou100 Год назад +2

      Biblical slavery is way different than slavery in America because in the time of when slavery was done in the Bible. Slavery in the Bible was a choice because the person can sell themselves to a family or someone. Slavery in America was obviously forced on people who didn't want to do it.

    • @haydnacosta9634
      @haydnacosta9634 Год назад +2

      Slavery in the biblical time frame was mostly in the context of contractual. Like when you go into the military you sign a 4-5 year contract that you can’t break.

    • @chidy9699
      @chidy9699 Год назад +3

      @@haydnacosta9634 that is only for Hebrew slaves, they had to be released after 7 years. In the case of foreign slaves and certain situations with Hebrew slaves, they were life long slaves and could be inherited by your children. I would suggest reading through leviticus, as it makes this all very clear.

  • @j2mfp78
    @j2mfp78 4 года назад +14

    Cliffe & Stuart are amazing people. Always setting a good example. 🙏🙏🙏

    • @dwendt44
      @dwendt44 4 года назад

      Well Stuart is perhaps.

    • @DanielApologetics
      @DanielApologetics 4 года назад

      I made a 5 minute debate review of this one on my channel,
      thought you might would be interested in it, based on your comment.

  • @kylerichard2040
    @kylerichard2040 4 месяца назад +1

    Aron has never been punched in the mouth. You don’t talk over people. You let others speak then you speak. That’s how a conversation works . Buddy didn’t let cliffe talk once without interrupting him .

  • @brando3342
    @brando3342 4 года назад +7

    "They'll repeat that same lie the next day".... says the guy who's been corrected on the Biblical meaning of faith repeatedly and refuses to accept it.

    • @theoskeptomai2535
      @theoskeptomai2535 4 года назад +2

      Would you please explain the meaning of faith in your own words (not quote scriptures) and provide an example?

    • @brando3342
      @brando3342 4 года назад +3

      Theo Skeptomai
      The word used in the Greek is "Pistis". This means "trust" or "confidence".
      An example. I have faith in a pilot's ability to fly a plane when I board it. Otherwise, I wouldn't board it.

    • @theoskeptomai2535
      @theoskeptomai2535 4 года назад +2

      @@brando3342 Thanks for your clear definition and example. So are you stating that you are confident that a god exists?

    • @dwayneconaway1733
      @dwayneconaway1733 4 года назад +1

      @@theoskeptomai2535 I would say yes I am, are you confident that he doesn't?

    • @brando3342
      @brando3342 4 года назад +1

      Theo Skeptomai
      No problem. Yes, I am confident of his existence, for many reasons.

  • @jacksonstone246
    @jacksonstone246 3 месяца назад +4

    Cliff and Stuart are like “let me misrepresent everything you can say before you say it and then act dumb”

  • @OscarQuant87
    @OscarQuant87 4 года назад +25

    "I would lay my life down for an elephant..."
    ~ Aron Ra

    • @dwendt44
      @dwendt44 4 года назад +2

      Your point?

    • @أهلالكتاب-ض2ص
      @أهلالكتاب-ض2ص 4 года назад +18

      @@dwendt44 he bases his morality on a very subjective point. The intelligence of the animal. He eats beef but not pork because pigs are more intelligent than cows. Very subjective.

    • @shockofGod
      @shockofGod 4 года назад +10

      Yes quite odd yet he is for murdering babies through abortion. He values elephants more than humans. Madness.

    • @أهلالكتاب-ض2ص
      @أهلالكتاب-ض2ص 4 года назад +9

      @@shockofGod that’s what happens when you “don’t need God” brother. Pure madness

    • @dwendt44
      @dwendt44 4 года назад +5

      @@shockofGod And yet, this god is the greatest abortionist of all.

  • @physicFitness
    @physicFitness 4 года назад +6

    Why is Cliffe talking to this guy?

    • @dwendt44
      @dwendt44 4 года назад +1

      A more accurate description would be Cliffe was talking AT AronRa' Cliffe rants and raves the same broken record clap trap he's been spewing for years.

    • @kiastar67
      @kiastar67 4 года назад

      @@dwendt44 Which one is Cliffe and which one is Stuart?

    • @dwendt44
      @dwendt44 4 года назад +1

      @@kiastar67 From what I see and hear, the old dried up close minded fool was Cliffe, and Stuart was the son the younger more open minded one.

    • @kiastar67
      @kiastar67 4 года назад

      @@dwendt44 Awwww. Thank you. I have seen AronRa quite frequently on RUclips and I have seen the two gentlemen debating him here a few times. I think they all tend to run a bit excitable, but the younger one, Stuart, seems to the best patience, at least in this video and another I have seen.
      AronRa and the Cliffe guy can both get fired up and passionate about the topic. Unlike the Xtians here, I don't feel the need to have to judge someone I might not agree with entire life, happiness, and looks, etc. from a little video. I don't know the guy. any of them really.
      The very nasty way some have spoken in this comment section is just gross. If that is the only way to "win" a debate by degrading the life and looks of the people you do not agree with ... yeah, I'll pass. I'm not that needy or mean.

    • @dwendt44
      @dwendt44 4 года назад

      @Jay Gee I get the impression that Cliffe wouldn't know the truth if it bit him in the ass.

  • @missk1697
    @missk1697 2 месяца назад +1

    I hope one day I can be as well spoken as Aron

  • @theoskeptomai2535
    @theoskeptomai2535 4 года назад +20

    Hello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending acknowledgement of the existence of gods until sufficient evidence can be presented. My position is that *_I have no good reason to acknowledge the existence of gods._*
    And here is the evidence as to why I currently hold to such a position.
    1. I personally have never observed a god.
    2. I have never encountered a person whom has claimed to have observed a god.
    3. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity.
    4. I have never been presented a valid logical argument which also employed sound premises that lead deductively to a conclusion that a god(s) exists.
    5. Of the 46 logical syllogisms I have encountered arguing for the existence of a god(s), I have found all to contain multiple fallacious or unsubstantiated premises.
    6. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon.
    7. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._
    8. I have never experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event.
    9. Every phenomena that I have ever observed has *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity.
    10. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have encountered have either been refuted to my satisfaction, or do not present as falsifiable.
    ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the existence of a god.
    I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding such acknowledgement until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstatiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._*
    I welcome any cordial response. Peace.

    • @ryanawilson8549
      @ryanawilson8549 4 года назад

      I have seen, touched and talked to God. Pleasure to make your acquaintance.

    • @theoskeptomai2535
      @theoskeptomai2535 4 года назад +7

      @@ryanawilson8549 Have you documented these experiences in some manner? Have you notified any news agencies or publication of your experiences?
      Or were you speaking metaphorically?

    • @dwendt44
      @dwendt44 4 года назад +13

      @@theoskeptomai2535 When you talk to god, it's religion, when god talks to you, it's mental illness.

    • @theoskeptomai2535
      @theoskeptomai2535 4 года назад +2

      @@dwendt44 I like that. Clever synopsis.

    • @jvalfin3359
      @jvalfin3359 4 года назад +3

      This was pretty well put together mate. Cheers.

  • @madhands9887
    @madhands9887 3 года назад +9

    Once aron ra finds jesus he will save many people.

    • @Psa22-6
      @Psa22-6 2 года назад

      Yes, and though the Lord can make anything happen and turn all bad to good its likely arons heart is too hardened

    • @kentkvalnes4621
      @kentkvalnes4621 4 месяца назад

      That's funny. A satanist whos convincing people to become gullible christians. You will need more that your prayer and your magical miracleworker to make that happen! Me myself can make unicorns real, I only have to wish hard enough..hahaha.

  • @richardestevez9220
    @richardestevez9220 9 месяцев назад

    Both sides give very compelling arguments that can challenge both theists and non theists. I dare to say that Aron or Cliffe responding emotionally can help elevate those arguments more poignantly given how firm their stances are. I'm glad they've had multiple discussions for us to observe.

  • @TheFirstAtom
    @TheFirstAtom 3 года назад +6

    See the difference between how Aron speaks with Cliffe versus Stuart?
    Stuart wants to have a conversation about beliefs. Cliffe wants to preach about his.

    • @landofthefree2023
      @landofthefree2023 3 года назад

      Yes, I noticed that as well

    • @thecountofcapegreco772
      @thecountofcapegreco772 3 года назад

      its the demons inside him he is unaware

    • @TheFirstAtom
      @TheFirstAtom 3 года назад +1

      @@thecountofcapegreco772 Yes, of course. The “demons” that Jesus attributed to physical sicknesses or mental illness.
      Do you not see how dangerous that type of thinking is? By prescribing some sort of magic to heal actual disease and illnesses, people would be left worse off than if they got actual medical help.
      Had it not been for science, most illnesses would still be looked at as “spiritual” to this day.

    • @thecountofcapegreco772
      @thecountofcapegreco772 3 года назад

      @@TheFirstAtom turn to science like it answers everything ! You’re just listening to an opinion. You’ve been miss educated.
      Science produces GM that grows cancel cells in our bodies. We are only men and can’t explain everything with science FACT so be humble

    • @thecountofcapegreco772
      @thecountofcapegreco772 3 года назад

      @@TheFirstAtom weak victim mentality

  • @alwayzatiger1
    @alwayzatiger1 9 месяцев назад +3

    In genesis God refers to himself as “we” that’s what convinced me Jesus Christ is God.

    • @grawss
      @grawss 4 месяца назад

      It's pretty clear. We're soul, spirit, flesh. Jesus is the flesh of God, and suffered the world in sacrifice to the Lord. That's what we're to do with our flesh.

    • @alfredoparadike4106
      @alfredoparadike4106 3 месяца назад

      😅😅😅😅😅

  • @adamhill1601
    @adamhill1601 9 месяцев назад +2

    Whats funny is Stuart is chuckling before he even gets started debating Aron, because he knows the none sense thats coming.

    • @adamhill1601
      @adamhill1601 6 месяцев назад

      @rocknroll1973 what is your definition of nonsense? Could it be what you don’t understand you are rather putting a label on it to make yourself feel like you are a logical human being? I am so sick and tired of lifeless human beings that believe they come from nothing and only see the physical mirage of proof. That equates to non-sense. I hate to sound rude, but ai have had it with the faithless like dogs returning to their vomit by the only thing they know, which is if you can’t see it, it is 100% a hoax. The hoax is that we evolved from an entirely different species and became another kind of species after millions of years, and some how, there is no evidence to even prove the crap or fairy tales spewing out of some hopeful, disproving- God haters because they never wanted authority in their life because that means they would be held accountable for everything they do.

  • @benjy288
    @benjy288 4 года назад +40

    Haha, just skip through the whole video and most of what you'll see is Aron interrupting and yelling like an angry disgruntled man, that's about the only sane thing to do when its a debate with Aron, I really don't know why anybody chooses to have the guy on.

    • @dwayneconaway1733
      @dwayneconaway1733 4 года назад +6

      He doesn't want anyone to challenge his beliefs, I'd rather listen to the jackass that spoke to Balaam in numbers 22:28!

    • @dwendt44
      @dwendt44 4 года назад +9

      @@dwayneconaway1733 You actually believe in talking animals? Listening to a 'jackass' means you are talking to yourself.

    • @dwayneconaway1733
      @dwayneconaway1733 4 года назад +8

      @@dwendt44 if your asking if I believe that it is more probable for a powerful eternal creator to make a jackass talk than for everything in this world to come from nothing then yes.

    • @dwendt44
      @dwendt44 4 года назад +13

      @Nic B Why not? They live in a make believe world with magic, gods, talking animals, visions, and a major load of nonsense.

    • @DanielApologetics
      @DanielApologetics 4 года назад

      I made a 5 minute debate review of this one on my channel,
      thought you might would be interested in it, based on your comment.

  • @andrej1659
    @andrej1659 4 года назад +8

    Jesus is Lord

    • @jvalfin3359
      @jvalfin3359 4 года назад +1

      Your personal scapegoat

    • @andrej1659
      @andrej1659 4 года назад +1

      @@jvalfin3359 your scape goat is a dead rock

    • @andrej1659
      @andrej1659 4 года назад

      @Alex no but you will be in a matter of time

    • @jvalfin3359
      @jvalfin3359 4 года назад

      @@andrej1659 I didn't know rocks could live

    • @andrej1659
      @andrej1659 4 года назад +1

      @@jvalfin3359 exactly and yet you believe life came from a dead rock...

  • @WeirdWonderful
    @WeirdWonderful Год назад +1

    @55:57 He....doesn't understand why Aron has a problem with someone designing a system specifically to endlessly torture millions of people for quadrillions of milennia without even the remotest hope of the torture ever possibly getting to STOP, and doing so because of thought "crimes". He doesn't understand why people would have a problem with this concept, especially if we're being told it was literally devised by THE most just, moral and loving being that could EVER exist ?

  • @jasonelliott1722
    @jasonelliott1722 9 месяцев назад +6

    It's so bizarre to watch Aron get so pissed off when talking about Jesus Christ but then continually assert that he isn't even real.

  • @mikemcgill90
    @mikemcgill90 4 года назад +7

    Aron at full tilt love it .

    • @mikemcgill90
      @mikemcgill90 4 года назад

      @Jay Gee Why not ?

    • @mikemcgill90
      @mikemcgill90 4 года назад

      @Jay Gee You leave me with no alternative to a vague question .

    • @pariahpariah7048
      @pariahpariah7048 4 года назад

      Golly someone's easily impressed, obese jesus really doesn't need you to suck him off my guy.

    • @mikemcgill90
      @mikemcgill90 4 года назад

      @@pariahpariah7048 Belief without evidence and I'm easily impressed, time for a face palm .

    • @pariahpariah7048
      @pariahpariah7048 4 года назад +1

      @@mikemcgill90 Yeah I agree reddit atheism is one hell of a drug mate😜

  • @credodeo-me1wb
    @credodeo-me1wb Год назад +1

    Open discussion yes, but I haven't heard Cliffe once, because Aron interrupted the whole time. I heard what he said and I looked back at the verses he was referring to. But I would've loved to listen what Cliffe had to say. That's how it suppose to go, bothways.

  • @landofthefree2023
    @landofthefree2023 3 года назад +20

    LOL, as soon on as I got here my first thought was let's see how long before Aron starts drinking.
    🍺🍼

    • @landofthefree2023
      @landofthefree2023 3 года назад

      I almost spit up laughing...
      My immediate thought was let's see how long before Aron showcases his ability to drink alcohol.

    • @landofthefree2023
      @landofthefree2023 3 года назад

      @Silenced Two
      It only would have been funnier if I posted the question before he enacted his performance.
      But I couldn't I didn't have time. 🍺😂🍺

    • @adrenochrome_slurper
      @adrenochrome_slurper 3 года назад +1

      @@SimonWoodburyForget don't waste your breath, this guy buys into qanon bs.

    • @vincentchamberlain107
      @vincentchamberlain107 8 месяцев назад +1

      He’s a grown ass adult, what’s the matter if he drinks or not. He can be totally inebriated and obliterate sky daddy believers with simple logic and skepticism. This always boils down to: religious types accept hopeful wishes/doctrine without evidence and skeptics don’t

  • @owelofminerva
    @owelofminerva 4 года назад +6

    Notice that the conversation with Stuart (I believe it is cuz the other guy was Cliffe) was pretty amicable and then when Cliffe comes in with the standard apologist spiel and this idea that he's gotta have a 20 minute opener like this debate is being conducted at Harvard; trying to set the stage for the options Aron has for a godless ethics even though Aron had already explained his ethical ideals before hand. This is why I sympathize with Aron preferring conversational structure to formal debates, even if he does interrupt a lot.

    • @dfaulk95
      @dfaulk95 3 года назад

      Aron’s definition of morality is extremely ambiguous

    • @mistylover7398
      @mistylover7398 3 года назад +1

      Agreed Applejack lol

    • @trixieofthetrade7494
      @trixieofthetrade7494 3 года назад +1

      You have an avatar from Friendship Is Magic! You and I should be friends on Discord!

    • @mistylover7398
      @mistylover7398 3 года назад

      @@trixieofthetrade7494 which discord?

    • @trixieofthetrade7494
      @trixieofthetrade7494 3 года назад

      ​@@mistylover7398 I mean the real-time conversation engine. I have a Discord account; my username is WatchTower1992#8661. No, the draconequus is not what I meant.

  • @J2100-k4v
    @J2100-k4v Месяц назад

    It is not a battle between flesh and blood, but a battle against the principalities of darkness

  • @mattbelanger5071
    @mattbelanger5071 3 года назад +12

    Cliffe: *starts to come up with a thought*
    Aron: "no youre wrong lie lie lie wrong"
    Aron you gotta let him make the point and then dismantle why its wrong. You dont even know what he is getting at

    • @sergiomerino1434
      @sergiomerino1434 3 года назад

      Come up? Of course. That’s all cliff does is make up and come up with random thoughts that have no bearing.

    • @chibibeetle
      @chibibeetle 3 года назад

      Yeah, he told him that because he was wrong and lying.

  • @dp9550
    @dp9550 3 года назад +4

    "Jose Pacheco
    ​Aron is so prideful and thinks he’s so smart when he’s really a fool: the fools says in his heart there is no God" A fool says there is a god based on no evidence of one.

    • @mistylover7398
      @mistylover7398 3 года назад +1

      Only the religious fool believe in evil imaginary gods with no evidence besides ma holy book 🤪. You guy r the same thing first acting like you religious zombies are sooooo better than anyone who doesn't bow to you and your ilk 😆

    • @samsox69
      @samsox69 2 года назад

      Aron Ra rocks

    • @robinrobyn1714
      @robinrobyn1714 2 года назад

      @@samsox69 Aron Ra sucks

    • @deviouskris3012
      @deviouskris3012 2 года назад

      “A fool says there is no Jedi based on no evidence of one”. Any chance you can see how utterly ridiculous the premise of your statement is?

    • @robinrobyn1714
      @robinrobyn1714 2 года назад

      @@deviouskris3012 An idiot compared God to the Jedi.