Aaron's got some crazy ideas about faith no Christians in my circle afraid to admit when they're wrong it's how we grow is how we help each other, another word for confession or repentance
Your not processing the information, Aaron specifically said faith does not allow you to be wrong outside of the narrative. Your blind due to indoctrination.. the bible even says you're molded to be this way but you won't ever admit it
If you're a Christian then you don't care about truth at all because all it takes is a little bit of research and logical thinking to realize Christianity is obviously a man made cult. Religions prey on your deepest desires of an afterlife by threatening you with an eternity in hell just for simply not believing. At no point should you be thinking a good God would operate like that. This is made up by man, you're a fool.
They certainly don’t question everything, only things they know they can answer within a religious context. How do I know what? Because if they did question everything none of them would believe in god lmao.
@Light Before The Tunnel his name was never Larry, and his name has been legally changed to Aron Ra. If you actually want to get technical, do any research whatsoever.
Listening to Aaron is difficult his mind is so weak and his facts are so off base I can list 20 already and he's not even done with his monologue this is going to be enlightening and painful
Which is why god basing your salivating on a blood sacrifice while at the same time breaking all his own rules by commanding genocides takes that accountability away. All his wants is you to worship him then he forgives you and you don't have to be held accountable since you accepted a blood sacrifice lol 😆 Christian logic.
@@whodis799 you should read your own book. It's definitely substitutionary atonement through a blood sacrifice, since god requires blood for some reason to forgive people lol 😆 Ephesians 1:7 “In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.” Because of Christ’s shed blood, God is able to forgive us of sins because He took our punishment. While we deserve hell because of our sin, Jesus’ sacrifice makes heaven our eternal destination" Yahweh is basically huitzilopochtli and addicted to blood 🩸 😂
I'm sorry but I can't watch this.. the RA dude is far to obnoxious...RA's the type of dude that talks alot and thinks he's the smartest person in the room..
I'm with you. I have heard all I need to hear from Aron Ra. This guy is such an attention hog that he's pretty much irrelevant. But i get it. He's like Appalachian State. Selling out for big bucks to get thumped by better teams. But, every now and then, scoring the upset.
That's literally the problem. Theists avoid evidence that contradicts their biased beliefs! The biblical fairytale is FULL of falsified nonsense. This is why religion relies exclusively on fallacious arguments to defend faith.
Great content , Ra definitely has arguments but doesn’t seem to deliver them affectively, seem to be emotionally driven. On the other hand I think Stuart did great & his ability to just laugh @ the nonsense is refreshing. Firm hands shakes to all 3 gentlemen
Well he's just not emotionally driven, he's also driven by his alcohol addiction. He has a full mug of it in every debate, with refills throughout each conversation. What you're viewing is alcohol rage; a weak mind that is uncontrolled by its beholder; a person who is controlled by his desires and pride. Let's pray for Aron.
I like Stuart. He is really good at communicating himself. He is flexible in his ideal. Overall seem like a good dude. Aron doesn't seem like a fun person to be around. Imagine he spends all his free time just hating ideas that are not is own.
I feel bad for Aron. It sounds like he got hurt by religious hypocrites at a young age and wanted to search for evidence against God. Which became confirmation bias, reading the bible out of context, ad hominem, and presuppositions.
Aron ra was one of the atheists that started getting me to doubt my own atheism and I eventually came back to belief in God God bless you aron ra , keep doing what your doing .🎉
@@Psa22-6 how ? Well aron ra doesn’t listen to his opponents so well and he rarely ever deals with their arguments . He only brings up examples from his experience which never deal with the major questions of Gods existence .
@@dustingray5418 paulogia is another interesting character . He has an allergy to near death experiences lol He won’t even talk about the research with me . I tried many times with him .
I love when Aaron just screams and throws tantrums and says you're wrong and he's right that's my favorite he's so smart and mature what a legand I have no clue how cliff and Stewart have the patience I could never ever.
@@Theo_Skeptomai to me that sounds like a very weird specific question I looked it up bc iv never heard that before and basically you want a fact from the Bible that support facts that are true today or?
@@Theo_Skeptomai first of all Theo a true fact is something that is true yesterday , today and in the future . Even science doesn’t operate within the framework of true evidentiary facts . Science operates by weighted evidence . By this standard let’s take a look at 2 huge claims the Bible makes and take a look at where even science leans towards on these 2 claims The Bible says we have a soul and there is an afterlife right ? Where does science lean towards when it comes to the soul and the afterlife ? I’m talking primarily about near death experience science. Know anything about near death experiences Theo ? This is the subject that aron ra refused to dialogue with me on on Facebook . I’d like to hear your view on the scientific literature on ndes
@@WiRELeSS_G_13 no such thing as a true fact whether in history or in science mainly because we are finite beings living in a finite realm and are not in any position to know the future or anything 100% as true but we can form reasonable beliefs based on many different factors . Anyone who thinks that science operates on true facts doesn’t know science lol
If you wanna see aron really get trounced watch his debate with inspiring Philosophy’s Michael Jones about the true meaning of pistis the Koine Greek worth for the faith that Christian’s have .
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf well unlike Aaron I actually have a real job I don't sit in my basement drinking alcohol with a bunch of stinky dogs debating people online and throwing little hissy fits like a girl spewing out random word salad's not even knowing what I'm talking about. I see your strategy is basically listen to all the evidence and dismiss it because it isn't up to your standards that's why this debate never goes anywhere and he just keeps screaming "you're wrong" like a baby lmao
1:44:25 really great questioning on your part Stuart. I hoped Ra would get it eventually but it didn’t seem to compute to him. You’re completely right though; from his pov, there’s no real reason why we ought to do for others- saying bc we just do, or bc they need it, doesn’t get to the root of why.
@@brentbeepath7457 I somewhat agree; sure, there’s a reason for why that attribute is there, but as logical human beings we can supersede that attribute and understand philosophically that altruism is simply an evolved trait- just because it’s an evolved trait doesn’t mean it’s an urge we Ought to follow. That’s the question Stuart is driving at.
@@daseanclark5462 why isn't it an argument we should follow? Are you suggesting that we be dishonest and ignore objective facts just to abide by superstitious linear thinking? Why not follow the solid evidence provided when religion only offers assumptions?
That’s not what I’m saying- religion aside, I’m saying just because a thing has a trait to act a certain way doesn’t conclude that’s how the thing Ought to operate. For example: phones have the ability to call/text; that doesn’t mean we Ought to use them for that purpose, we can just as easily use them as paperweights or throw them at people as projectile weapons.
@@daseanclark5462 no one said we should think linear, act linear and reality shows we are far from linear. I'm giving you the prominent reason why helping others was and is beneficial for the progress of our species. I don't know why this fact is going over your head
@@Theo_Skeptomai are you stating that he dont insult someone after every sentence? This guy is miserable amd just wants to tear down know matter the topic. The fact he called Joe Rogan stupid and never said anything he agreed with tells you that he is a miserable fool. I am not suggesting everyone must like Joe Rogan, but the fact he has a very very popular podcast because people agree with his opinions tells you that Aron's thinking doesnt allign with the majority of people. I am sure if Aron met you, he would talk down to you like your a child and tell you to read a book. I dont care what you believe but the fact you support this ugliness just proves that anyone will follow anything as long as their is a common hate.
He is the stereotypical angry atheist. He’s funny at times I’ll give him that much,but the only thing he is lacking to fully become a living meme is the fedora.
It takes quite alot of brain power to repress and intellectualize the repression of a belief so innate to human beings (belief in God). We ought to give him a little more credit for his foolishness, its hard work.
Wow, so far I'm 8 minutes in and Aaron hasn't degraded anyone or even said a thing yet. I am impressed. But I'm only 8 minutes in, I'm sure he won't disappoint.
@@johnnyamerican513 haha. Yes I'm sure you have. I enjoy listening to Kent as well. Particularly his older videos. He's grown a bit bitter since prison, but i really don't blame him. His CSE Creation Science college series is on RUclips, and that has a ton of information in extreme detail behind what's in his 7 part seminar series
@V N Guys come on . A persons extrinsic looks tell you nothing of their inner disposition . Aron could very well be a very nice guy . He kind of reminds of of some of my metal buddies from high school in the 1980’s
@@Theo_Skeptomai Stuart is at least better then his brother . What exactly do you mean by evidentiary fact ? Ah ok just googled if . Ok I can present a few Criterion of historical embarrassment for the resurrection of Jesus . Who found Jesus tomb Empty first ? Who saw the resurrected Christ first ? The answer to both questions is the women . This speaks volumes to the genuiness of what the apostles in what they claimed to have seen . That wasn’t so difficult :) Anywhere else we should go with this ?
@@Theo_Skeptomai and yes Theo the brothers need to sharpen their arguments a lot more . A good apologist to watch is Michael Jones. This is the next William lane craig . He has some awesome sciencd based apologist videos as well as scripturally based ones . But some might not like him here as he is a believers in evolution . He did wipe the floor with aron ra in their debates
Yes, Aaron is ridiculous. As a Satanist and a humanist, he can sit there all day and be his arrogant self-righteous, insulting, profane self with his dogmatic belief system and religious fervor- and yes, he ABSOLUTELY has a belief system and religiosity, it's the irrational hatred of Christian Orthodoxy ( about which he used typical dumb Atheist talking points only) AND of Christians in general. Stuart totally dumbed down the concepts he used and capitulated and tried to speak to Aaron on his level on any number of topics, but Aaron was only interested in insulting, belittling, and denying GOD-THAT is his whole reason for being, because Satan is the denier, the liar, the corruptor, the deciever, and the one that Aaron worships. THAT is the truth about why he hates God AND Christianity.
The whole thing about Aron is that he likes to Interrupt people, thinks by doing that he’s winning, insulting opponents and so on.. he is so full of his ego. May God help him and open his eyes before is too late.
@@formallyknownasjojoemcpart6684 Actually it’s not just hatred… it’s disappointment through false expectations… that’s a huge part of it… the other is how was the knowledge of god brought to them in the beginning… both can lead to huge problems understanding God
@@formallyknownasjojoemcpart6684 It would take the Holy Spirit All your God has to do is send it Aaron has done all the work Some people just look at a tree and poof the holly spirit compelled them into believing Seems like an easy thing for the all powerful God to accomplish
@@noneofyourbusiness792 bingo , I debated an atheist for 6 months but n the shroud of Turin and it turned out that he became an atheist because he went to a fire and brimstone church in which the pastor told him that God was going to send him to hell if he committed even one sin . After our 6 month debate he became an agnostic .God and his Christian girlfriend will eventually bring him back Very nice guy by the way
@@Theo_Skeptomai if you say there is no god that in it itself is a claim, same as if i said there is no sun there is no whatever granted god is of course is way harder to prove or disprove. but philosophically saying there is no god is a claim of truth and like all claims of truth for it to be validated proof is needed. it is not intelectually honest to lay all the burden on those that believe there is a god when you as a atheist deny there is a god equally having an opinion on the matter.
@@Theo_Skeptomai sooo i say the sky is blue and you say wrong, and i ask why and you say because i have no proof, it's true that i can't provide proof since we don't agree on what's evident in our respective experiences, but it doesn't make you right in your denial, right ? you kinda need to tell me what color is the sky if it isn't blue, for me to even take you seriously, else you're not providing anything but shallow denial
@@Theo_Skeptomai you may not have but aron ra surely has thats why I said IF you say there is no god. furthermore do you know how any formal debate works? there is a truth claim/topic of the debate then one party argues in the affirmitive and the other in the negative. In these debates is it intellectually honest that the one arguing in the negative of the debate topic just lean back and say you are the one arguing for this claim therefore all the burden of prooving it is on you? and i can just roll my fingers for i have no responsibility to validate my stance it is not. The other party argues in the negative in the same matter as the other party with reasoning and proof as to why their position is more in line with reality.
@@Theo_Skeptomai there is a difference between evaluating a claim to truth or as many atheists including iron ra do denying it completely. if you are on the agnostist side and you are just fine with not being sure you have nothing to prove because you dont claim to surely know anything. if you however deny a truth completely and call it invalid you need convincing evidence for you position for that ciriticism to be completely valid.
I was an atheist for 39 years and have always believed in God but was angry towards him. Until I came to the end of myself and gave Him a sincere chance to do what His Word says He will and I am joyful that the woes of this world finally brought me to my knees.
So beautiful!! Please consider sharing your testimony! Even on RUclips! Even if it only reaches 1 person that’ll save a soul for eternity! My heart breaks thinking about individuals who have hardened their hearts til death. To think they close their eyes take their last breath then they open their soul eyes open and they realize Jesus was who He said He was. Oh the terror to realize there is no longer any sacrifice for your sin. So please brother if Holy Spirit leads you share your story and let God use it to reveal himself to those who are searching!
I'm sorry but I'm confused, how can you be an atheist for 39 years while still believing in a god? The definition of an atheist is "someone who doesn't believe in any god", not "someone whos angry at a god".
@alejandrofalconhernandez6333 If I truly believed there was a God I wouldn't have lived the way I did, in sin. See, your knowledge is one-sided, you would never understand because you are still rejecting the idea. I lived as an atheist but deep down hoped there was a God, but when I looked at my life I always said there can't be a God, and if there is one I hate Him. Everyone knows there is a God but He is suppressed within the psyche. I know you will say that you are not but that to is expected because you suppress Him remember? Now in hindsight, knowing there is a God I fear Him, I fear Him because I know if I died I would be punished for my sin but there is also good news, I can be forgiven and I believe in Jesus with all my heart and desire for Him to free me from my sins, through the work, that is being a perfect(without sin) human and paying the penalty for my every sin and I did sin very much, most likely way more than you could ever imagine yet God loved me enough to come and die in my place, and I am forever grateful for His salvation.
@andrewwright9960 He is all-powerful, all-knowing, and longsuffering towards the evil of this world. Ever heard "don't take my kindness for weakness?" Well, don't take his grace toward you as a weakness.
@Andrew Wright You seem to be confusing power with how power is exercised, particularly of word of mouth and writings. God uses these as ways to display His power and glory. Of that's not all, but if that's your claim, it doesn't follow that God isn't powerful because he uses certain mechanisms or methods to display such power. No one accuses the king of not having any power when the king sends a messenger. On the contrary, the messenger is just that, a messenger, carrying along the message carrying the authority of the King himself.
If you could, please explain what your faith consists of and what evidence you have to support your beliefs. Remember: Evidence is the facts that indicate.
@@theglowing1349 As a Prosecutor, I know when a witness is lying. When I read the Bible, I do not find lies. Forensic analysis is maybe above your level of IQ or Education? As a Prosecutor, I have read the bible and cannot find lying within the eye-witness testimonies. Why do you find them to be false? Do you have advanced degrees and years on this subject. Are you going to claim that me, a subject matter expert on witness testimony, that I am wrong here? And if so, give me proof. I am humble enough to admit when I am wrong.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven I, literally said, "If you could, please explain what your faith consists of and what evidence you have to support your beliefs." What eyewitness testimony are you saying is true and what facts do you have to indicate this evidence?
Why? That's a completely separate point from the debate topic. If every christian never did anything good to help people and only prayed, that doesn't help or hurt either side. God could exist or not exist in that scenario without changing anything. It's a purely rhetorical point by Ra to get people to dislike christians.
James, when you introduce the debated, you got to tell us who is the speaker is, and what there position is on the debate. i listen to this in car on audio only, and I can't tell for a long while, who is talking in what position. thanks.
@@jasonnoble7302 nothing magical about it man. If you create a world and form of life, you could decide what truth is for said world and form of life. Which is why God decides what truth is and decides that we must be reconciled to Him. He has revealed it very clearly to you and is patient with you, do not reject His Son who He sent to bare His wrath that we deserve for our sins against Him. All will be without excuse
People whom were considered "Intellectuals" just 30 years ago would have poise and self-control. Oh how times have changed. Spouting opinions, refuting, not knowing the difference between the Christian God and Allah is just sloppy. Not knowing that magic is the counterfeit to the power of God is sloppy. Saying you have proof against a designer while quoting Abe Lincoin whom was a Christian is oxy moronic yikes. When Abe made that quote he was talking about you Aron. This guy has nothing but mockery and stereotypes. This is not a proper rebuttal. This guy hates God. Let's just pray for Aron. Darkness is taking a toll on him and you already know he's academically not there but this isn't an issue for academia is it? It is a heart issue. Good job responding to insanity. This is a mind given over in reprobation. Yet Jesus still stands at the door and knocks.
@@fishjj76 hello Ben, I suspect you’d agree that Stuart like Aron have evidence, or if you prefer, reasons; however he sees them differently than Aron. They in fact share much of what you might call evidence and simply see it from a different point of view. What I am trying to get at is how or why the word better can be used. Better might mean something different than we take it for. You might ask as well, what do you mean by Good?
Does Aron understand this is a debate? And that he's expected to respond logically and factually to the arguments put forth by the opponent? Or does he think sarcasm, rudeness, and existential caterwauling is enough?
@@Pizzacat.25 Sane people don't spend their lives having it dictated by a fictional evil character, except when it comes to a god people just accept it as-if they aren't completely delusional. You ask why, I 'devote my life' (bit of an overstatement) to trying to make the people around me not insane? I scoff at the insinuation that they don't deserve it.
Stuart, where can I message Cliffe to have a 1 on 1 with him? I understand that he’s a busy man but I’ve been watching him for a while and love his advice!
When I'm listening to two people with opposing views debate, there are two main things that I am looking at. First and foremost, I am looking at who of them seems to be the most in touch with the facts about reality, eg, are they saying things which are a bit where the rainbow ends, a bit dreamy, a bit trippy, a bit out of this world, if you know what I mean?? Or are they saying things which correspond with our common experience of how this reality works?? Not to say that there can't possibly be another reality somewhere, there might be for all I know but this is the only one I know of, so this is the only one I can use to guage with. Now, the second thing I am looking at is the person themselves, in other words, does each person seem as if they are benefitting from what they believe? Does it seem to make them a better and more pleasant human being? Or does it seem to be making them angry, gross, obnoxious and unpleasant?? Well, on the basis of each of those two criteria, in my eyes, Aron won on the FIRST one, hands down, however, Stuart won on the SECOND criteria, hands down. Stuart is just a more pleasant, positive and likeable person and that is important, not as important as the truth, of course, but it is, nevertheless important. The moral of the story here is whether you're a theist or an atheist, If you sound like a miserable, bitter and foul tempered person, it's going to be very difficult for you to convince anyone to buy into your position, because, they will understandably be concerned that they will end up the same. Remember, you're an ambassador for your position, and speaking personally as an atheist, there is nothing more embarrassing for me than a fellow atheist who sounds absolutely gross. Going by them, I couldn't blame anyone for not wanting to be an atheist. We're not all like that in reality though but it does leave that impression. And yes, plenty of gross theists too, again, they're not all like that either. We must be fair to all.
Aron Ra has yet to appear in one of these debates not under the influence of alcohol. He may never open the door for Jesus (Revelation 3:20). But he has that free will. He does believe in a god and that god is Self. Sad but true.
1:05:00 Yet evolutionists have never observed any fish that they believe is the first fish to evolve into a land-dwelling animal, yet it's undeniably true in their mind.
Instead of looking for the manager he's calling to see God. It does seem like Aron is living out his atheism belief, but it is funny seeing him go full karen😂.
50:00 Circular reasoning. IF - and if is only 2 letters so capitalizing it only barely makes it stand out - IF, this universe is Godless, then this universe is evidence we don't need an intelligent mind behind this universe in order for logical mathematics to exist independent of us. Once again, IF. And that's circular reasoning because the topic arose in the first place after Aron tried to use it as an argument against Stuart's point.
He's not even honest with himself, as if he doesn't have a purpose for his life, he isn't lazy. He has debates and podcasts, and he makes his own purpose, even though he is just trying to occupy his time until he inevitably dies and ends.
@Generatorman59 Anybody can develop their purpose in life but it's all about self, the best life now, I lived the atheist life for 39 years, and I've been born again for 10 years now and there is a huge difference between the two world views. I find God way bigger and better than myself and find much joy in Him. You can have that purpose but I'd rather live a selfless life.
@@MyRoBeRtBaKeR So, you willfully submit to the purpose that you think this God bestowed upon you. As for me, I think it is vile and disgusting to entertain the idea that my purpose has to come from an outside source. But hey, to each their own. If you choose to be indoctrinated, go for it.
@Theo_Skeptomai Yes. He manifests Himself more and more as I meditate on His message. Have you seen primordial soup, and not in a lab or on a computer screen? Unless you will try to tell me that you don't believe in evolution or naturalism?
@Generatorman59 Yes, I believe in something outside of my interest. It used to be all about me, love one's or strangers no mind, just as long as I am happy I am fulfilled, now that's vile. Furthermore, if you believe, as you can never observe it, that life came about just by appearing in the universe from nowhere. Be honest with yourself, you will never know the truth concerning this theory yet you believe it because you grew up in a learning institute that indoctrinated you into believing it.
Blind credulity is impossible. It is not blind at all if the the reality that we see is our sin laid bare. We recognize it for what it is and see the truth that we are not good people, and that the means to salvation from it is a necessary atonement. Further faith such as this requires further action of repentance from sin and living (what is truly living) in righteousness
This is the heart of the issue and an excellent point. The “you have no proof” jab is simply leveraging their subjective interpretation of what we consider obvious proof of divine providence. The irony of holding only to science and pretending that philosophy and/or faith have nothing to do with truth-seeking is that you literally aren’t allowed to interpret data. It’s not possible. The same data point can confirm or deny fifteen different theories based on the INTERPRETER lol.
Stuart makes a key mistake early on saying that evolution has to do with the origin of life, as far as I'm aware evolution says nothing about the origin of life, it has much more to do with how living organisms adapt to their environment. The origins of life is a completely different section of science also known as abiogenesis.
@@rickv8495 Going by what he actually said he talked about the origin of life as opposed to the origin of humans. He also said he fully accepts evolution, so I'm assuming he accepts that life has been around in various forms for hundreds of millions of years, as opposed to a few thousand years. If that's the case we're in agreement 🙂
Stewart and his church do not believe in a young earth. They get more followers by accepting a earth billions of years old. They are not Bible believers.
@@CartoonForFood I'm sure I've heard Cliffe and Stuart talk about Genesis as being a factual account of how we got here, which kind of goes against how evolution says we came about. Both accounts can't be right.
Aron Ra - The I am right and you are wrong, nobody is intelligent but me and I will not elaborate debator. The arrogance and self righteousness of this man is astounding.
If you go to his channel instead of just being ignorant. You will see that he does elaborate about everything that he says. Christians don't have any real evidence because prophets and magic are not real that we know of. Until there is actual proof only a fool believes in any of these made up religions.
@@roscowbrown3937 Maybe re-read my comment as it appears you misunderstand what I said. I’m clearly talking about Aron-Ra’s character/conduct during the debate not his side of this debate. While he is completely wrong, that’s not what I was originally commenting on. Plenty of valid reasons were provided in this video- it’s on you whether you accept the logical truth or continue in your own beliefs. 1+1=2 whether you agree or disagree. I will recap some reasons tho- 1. Life comes from life 2. Rational minds come from rational minds 3. The cosmos order and design demands a creator 4. Genuine love, anger, hate, humor etc. (Feelings) demands a spirit and soul that we all have- (we are trichotomy beings- body, soul and spirit) this is given to us by God- we don’t get spirit and soul from matter and energy. 5. Objective morality- no atheist has been able to refute this, only go in circles in debate saying a lot of words but ultimately saying nothing. Once you push on this narrative and keep pushing they will collapse on top of their own argument. 6. A more in depth reinforcement to 3- think of all the systems on earth and relationships- ecosystems, water cycle, carbon cycle, the makeup of the air we breathe, the tilt of the earth, construction of our bodies, organs, muscles, bones, the plentiful food we have and can go grow, the moon in relation to the oceans, the sun being the perfect distance to provide warmth and light but not fry us or be too far to freeze us. Just think of everything going on within the planet. The odds of this earth happening the way it is with the creatures and humans we have is so catastrophically insane we shouldn’t be here. It all demands a creator outside space and time. The evidence of God is easily all all over the place, the evidence of Jesus is a tremendous amount of evidence. The question is - are humans going to be of humble mind to learn and seek God or be self righteous in their own beliefs thinking we as humans are our own God.
@@infinity7306 I think your conflating randomness with complexity. We can tell things are designed from pattern and purpose ...these can be complex or simplistic (I assume youre quoting someone?)
@@MrWaves-oj9ge Usually we recognize design though experience; a building, a hammer, a painting, we have experience in seeing first hand how each of these things are put together and used, and we never assume that anything supernatural is at work. We can contrast that with things that are not designed, a star, a planet, a tree, a dog. We see that they are not designed, rather they come about through natural causes and are a result of completely natural, not always random, and unguided forces. Until you see a magic man poofing bunny rabbits from thin air, I don't think we have anything to talk about of any real significance regarding the topic of "design", when it comes to living things.
The more complex something is, the more obvious it has a designer . For example, a cars engine needs far more intelligence than a hammer . there is a way more obvious and higher level of intelligence with the design of the engine than there is with a hammer . But I would actually give you the premise that simplicity is the hallmark of design if this were a debate but I would take you to the transcendental argument which I believe is kryponite for skeptics and atheist.
I love stuart but he needs to stop just agreeing all the time. It really makes him look lukewarm as a Christian. I wish he was a bit more firm in his face, stand 10 toes down
One more thing...I hope he also notices how he doesn't answer anything and just mocks and complains. He is so closed-minded and traumatized or something. He has so much hate. Look at his face throughout the whole thing. This debate was not good. He came in very closed and hateful. He would put us in prison if he had the chance and claims we are hateful people. This debate was insane. He has to humble himself and stop thinking he's above Christians. He is not! This was all emotional for him. He didn't allow you to speak much and all he tried to do was be as disgusting and horrible on purpose to get Christians mad. If only he knew what Christians actually believed.
I notice with atheists wanting to live there life their own way but they will be quick enough to say you should not have killed that person, what you did to that young kid was wrong. Well in your materialistic worldview thats just an opinion.
I love these debates, whatever you read or get told, it still comes down to your trust whom u believe, be that man or God, I choose to trust Jesus The One True Living God 😇❤️❤️❤️🙌🙌🙌🙏🏻🙏🏾🙏🏿🙏🙏🏽I live in peace now and eternally🙌🙌🙌❤️❤️❤️
@@infinity7306 the word demonstrable as labeled by Oxfords dictionary is “clearly apparent or capable of being logically proved.” When it comes to a philosophical question such as “does God exist” there is no amount of evidence that could prove any assertion in regards to this question. However, I am interested in hearing this proof as to why God would not exist.
@@MaxK4ch God is a flawed/failed hypothesis that cannot be argued for without committing a logical fallacy, that is why a god cannot exist. Every argument is fallacious, and every fallacy has been used to argue for a god.
18:38 Your ignorance is expected, so for you to believe that a mere confession saves you from the recompense for your sins, certainly makes sense. No, believing will have to accompany a change of heart and this change will be to agree with God's will, that you are a sinner in need of a Savior. You will need to be humble, pray, seek Him, and turn from your wicked ways and then He will hear from Heaven and forgive your sins and heal your land.
The comment section on Stuart's side is just as bad as Stuart's arguments. Willfully ignorant statements filled with lies and tunnel vision away from truth.
@@Theo_Skeptomai Everyone is either skeptical or they are naive to the point they will believe anyone or anything. What you just claimed is nonsensical.
Aron said “only stupid could allow it to be that complex.” He wants to wear upside down crosses. Speaks highly about the satanic tenants over Christianity. Sad. He’s a rude, interrupting, lost, broken man.
1:13:46 "When they agree with me, then I'll defend it [and if they say something I disagree with, I'll put more effort into trying to either find, or artificially manufacture, that which I can take issue against, than how much effort I put into trying to better understand what they really mean - if I'm going to steelman an argument, then I'd prefer it be an argument I already agree with, whereas I don't so much want to put in that effort when it comes to that which I disagree with; I'd rather use strawmen when it comes to that, than steelmen]."
I could just as easily say that you know deep down that there is no God but simply just are too afraid to admit that you will cease to exit when you die and there is no magical essence that goes on. For debate to be possible, both sides must assume the other is sincere in believing what they claim.
The athiest hasn't learned to tame his tongue. Cussing and interrupting during a interview is not professional at all. His mother must be real proud. 👏
It does seem pretty convenient to bring in organized religion, random gods, political movements, and other religions that nobody agrees with while not telling anyone that he isn't arguing something anyone believes.
@@Generatorman59 Says a caucasian who are known for colonising and destroying the world. Going from your point of view you guys have not paid for what your ancestors did to my country . You guys even made an anglo saxon idol as Jesus to impose your superiority mindset. If morality is relative and we all can define our meaning and purpose then the first thing all ethnicity people should do is to punish you caucasians for your blood thirsty land grabbing activity and destroying many civilizations , doing slavery . Caucasian atheist are much worse
@@shiningarmour1357 Well, aren't you the racist one! Do you actually think anyone should be punished for what their ancestors may or may not have done? I had no part in making an idol of Jesus. I had no part of grabbing land. I had not part in doing slavery. Look, you obviously have issues and I suggest you seek counseling. There are a lot of medication available on the market to supplement your therapy. Good luck.
You can’t really use that argument because you have atheists like Tom jump who believe in objective moral values without a God . Even though that can be debunked he still is much more intelligent then aron ra . Aron ra is great for converting atheists to Christian’s How do you think I started doubting my atheism 😂😂😂
If you had the option to do evil for your benefit , and not get caught why would it be wrong ?or would it be stupid to not do it ? I think this is a question that gets deep to the root of morality. Also it may look evil but they were confused about your point of view. It says the accuser is the author of confusion so…
I believe the Bible but do not necessarily believe in a young earth. If you read Genesis carefully the seventh day never ended and we currently live within that "day". As Peter writes, one day is like a thousand years and thousand years like a day, if the seventh day never ended then that's a long day.
This atheist starts out saying he is a satanist. a waste of time preaching to this lost case. he has made his choice and will end up in a very hot eternity.
id love to see aaron debate a christian that won’t let him throw tantrums and insult them. someone who will push back hard like a bpf or someone similar.
Aron Ra didnt quote Einstein correctly. Stuart said Einstein believed in “a god” not Christian God. Aron claimed Einstein was a Pantheist but a simple google search said he didn’t call himself a pantheist. Einstein believed in spinozas god which IS “a god”
Including scientology when condemning religion is disingenuous, Stuarts opening was so solid. that family never ceases to shed light on the mystery of God, much respect to them
The moment Stuart opened his mouth I had to turn the debate off because I immediately saw Aron’s demeanor and knew that the rest of the debate would be Stuart trying to respond while Aaron screams over him “NUH UH!” And “THATS NOT TRUE” without ever citing anything remotely close to a credible source or even a quote in full context. He is just a scared man who was mistreated by his father and needs to be affirmed in his hatred for the one who gave him that father. He wants there to be no God because he fears judgement. What a sad existence.
Based. Aron’s favorite argument is seeing how much louder he can speak over the other person and at the same time belittle his opponent and their argument. The debate should end as soon as someone loses their temper. And any time Aron Ra is involved, he happens to be the one who loses it first. Hmmmm it’s almost like he can’t even tolerate opposing opinions and only wants to prove the other person wrong?
I'm not watching but I have a prediction for the comments section. The Christians will claim Stuart won and the atheists will claim AR won. Neither will actually win because no one EVER wins these things. It'll just be dueling presup flexes. Boring.
These 2 don’t represent the best of their sides . An example of a very good atheist debated is graham oppy Or john beloff Or Michael ruse An example of great Christian thinkers is Cs lewis , William lane craig and inspiring philosophy’s Michael jones . John beloff was so unbiased in his atheism that he begged his fellow atheist to just believe in the soul and afterlife and try to come up with naturalistic explanations for them . CS lewis started out as an atheist
Aron Ra really turns me off for atheism... I will never be THAT atheist. If a religious person can be open and honest about what they can't explain I respect them. Aron has a script he runs off and, imo, overzealous opposition to religion.
😂 One person shouldn't influence you😂 Religious people are not open or honest! They ignore deflect lie misrepresent and some. They say they have evidence but give none. You can't be over anything when dealing with the lies of religion.
There is none to be had in a debate like this. Both are arguing about things that must come down to faith based on one’s choice of how to perceive the world and ourselves. Aron’s view presumes that wrong acts are inconveniences rather than actual sins.
That's the problem with debates, both parties bring in assumed omniscience about their position and no one is willing to learn from one another, no interface, no good faith dialogue, just silly word games and bullying and manipulation everyone who participates loses. Only debate I've seen and enjoyed is Jordan Peterson vs Zizeck
@@kylerashby1997 The points themselves are vague, and his standards are undefined. In the experiment of spirituality, where we perform the experiment against a standard, Christianity has Jesus, and all religions have their "control" for the experiment. Aron has no control for his experiment, so it is disregarded as nonsense, rejected by the entire world. The results he achieves (he's a meanie) are the evidence of its failure, whereas the results everyone else achieves are the evidence of their successes or failures. If you'd like, tell me a point he made, and I'll give it a shot.
@@grawssif you watched this video and didn't pick up anything he said as reasonable then the point is probably moot. But I'll give it a shot. And your standard is a religion that condones slavery, sexism and misunderstands demons with dieseases. Thinks that impossible things happened historically without proof. I don't know how moral it is to dispute experts constantly without reason other than god said in the book he apparently wrote that it didn't happen. Anyway I'll find some of the things he said.
@@kylerashby1997 Hey I'm getting to bed. I'll be up early so if you come up with something I'll try my best! Don't make assumptions about my beliefs or my evidence though. That isn't the way forward! God bless you and nighty night! ♥️
Why do legitimate platforms keep giving Aaron Ra an invitation to serious debates? He does no favors to those who share his views. He just insults and throws tantrums. I’ve not heard a half decent argument out of his mouth in years.
This guy, the complex is not complex but is simpler. Call me stupid but more information brings on more complexity lol So according to him drawing a circle is just as complex as drawing a maze. Why? Presuppositions, he only sees naturalism, therefore, it is beyond the realm of possibility that anyone can see complexity in anything. Close-minded much?
Ra said “the more complexity means a more stupid design” 😂 so it proves no God or intelligent creator, 😂this sounds like the same logic people saying a man can be a woman. 😂😂😂😂seriously is that bad
Aaron says we evolved to have a caring nature to help others but then easily gets upset with someone's different worldview. We can choose to love or not (it's not some chemical thing) but we can be attracted to someone we view as attractive and still not love them. People confuse love with lust and that's why it's incorrect to say 'Love is love'. If we all lived as if there's no God and go against our conscience and fully in sin, there'd be no justice (it's relative), earth would go backwards so fast and luckily for us whether we believe or not there's still a God.
“And so it was with me, brothers and sisters. When I came to you, I did not come with eloquence or human wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling. My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power. We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written: “What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived”- the things God has prepared for those who love him- these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.” 1 Corinthians 2:1-16 NIV bible.com/bible/111/1co.2.1-16.NIV
Aron Ra has locked himself into the same box that a lot of other atheist/agnostics put themselves in, and his idea of what God should or shouldn’t be is in there with him. Anyone who claims to be a theist has to admit to themselves and everyone else that there are going to be certain aspects of an all powerful creator-being that are beyond our scope of understanding. Nobody can claim to know what God should/shouldn’t or would/wouldn’t do. Claiming to know the mind of God is the epitome of pride and arrogance.
@@infinity7306 I believe that reality exists outside of said box and that those who dwell within it are limiting themselves when they determine that there is no God. It’s entirely possible that God exists and based on my experiences and observations, highly probable.
@@AhFahted Not only is it not possible for a god to exist, as existence requires manifestation in reality, and supernatural things aren't real. I know for a fact that your specific god is just completely made up.
@@infinity7306 To make such a claim would require absolute knowledge of everything, something which none of us posses. At the very least you should be able to admit to the possibility of there being God. To not make this admission, in my estimation, displays a lack of humility, not to mention intellectual dishonesty.
@@AhFahted God can't exist by definition. Internal and external inconsistencies with reality make it more than obvious gods are completely fictitious characters, invented by humans.
I want to ask, please answer me. When God created the universe, did God use raw materials? If God did not use raw materials in creating the universe, then what was it that became the universe, was it God's Word that became the universe or what was it that became the universe?
I suppose death is made up as well, as hell is death, though we believe it is eternal, it is still death. Hell, despite what most think, including Christians, was not meant for God's creation but was created for Satan and any that follow after his ways. Matthew 25: Matthew 25:41-46 Matthew 25:41-46 KJV Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Einstein did, in fact, believe in a God. Not the Christian God, but that’s not what Stuart said. He called him a Deist, which is accurate. That’s when Ra lost me, when he said he’s wrong about that. Getting that fact wrong affects his credibility as a debater.
Seven children lost in the woods walking aimlessly trying to find their way home. The children come across this cave, where Aron the troll emerges from the darkness. With a grin on his face, The troll looks at the children and begins laughing. The children try to ask the troll for directions and the troll replies, "you are stupid, and you are going the wrong way." For the children who decided to stay at the cave and live with Aron, what possessed yall to stay?
36:12 "It wouldn't be that complex if it were intelligently designed." The amount of knowledge one must know before one can arrive at that conclusion with certainty... I'm going to try to think of an example I can wrap my head around somewhat in order to better understand what's going on here. Imagine you were born yesterday with no knowledge other than somehow you can speak and understand English. Someone tells you about how leap years work. They say that 1 year = 365 days. Cool, sounds good so far. Then they say "but every fourth year, that year has 366 days." Okay, that's weird, but okay.... Then they say "but 3 times every 200 years, we actually skip the leap year - that is, what would usually be a leap year, we skip making that a leap year 3 times every 200 years, and so it has the normal 365 days instead of the leap year's 366." Okay, you had me confused one paragraph ago, but now I'm starting to question whether you know what the heck you're talking about at all. If you're omniscient and you know that it takes 365.2??????? days for the Earth to orbit the Sun, then you're not going to jump to the assumption that someone was smoking drugs when they came up with the leap year system. However, if you're like [any human being on Earth] and you're not omniscient, then if you're also arrogant enough, you'll arrive at the conclusion that "leap years wouldn't exist at all if whoever developed our calendar system or whatever that's called wasn't smoking meth or whatever insane drugs make you stupid."
Wow. He seems scary and angry. I am not talking about his appearance, my dad is a biker and has long hair and looks mean but I am talking about his character. He seems rude and doesn't smile whatsoever. He seems very bitter and lost...angry
Aaron's got some crazy ideas about faith no Christians in my circle afraid to admit when they're wrong it's how we grow is how we help each other, another word for confession or repentance
Your not processing the information, Aaron specifically said faith does not allow you to be wrong outside of the narrative. Your blind due to indoctrination.. the bible even says you're molded to be this way but you won't ever admit it
If you're a Christian then you don't care about truth at all because all it takes is a little bit of research and logical thinking to realize Christianity is obviously a man made cult. Religions prey on your deepest desires of an afterlife by threatening you with an eternity in hell just for simply not believing. At no point should you be thinking a good God would operate like that. This is made up by man, you're a fool.
When you can PROVE that a god exists like I can PROVE that lampposts exist then we'll talk. Until then, be quiet.
I can’t believe Aaron says Stewart’s church doesn’t encourage questioning when they literally have a RUclips channel dedicated to just that
They certainly don’t question everything, only things they know they can answer within a religious context. How do I know what? Because if they did question everything none of them would believe in god lmao.
Aron. It's. Aron. Why do all of you do this?
@@alexandergordon648 because I’ve never heard of the name Aron until these debates
@@alexandergordon648 His name is actually Larry Nelson, if you want to be technical.
@Light Before The Tunnel his name was never Larry, and his name has been legally changed to Aron Ra. If you actually want to get technical, do any research whatsoever.
Knowing good and evil doesn’t make you evil. It makes you accountable.
Wow. This is a golden nugget. Thank you!
Listening to Aaron is difficult his mind is so weak and his facts are so off base I can list 20 already and he's not even done with his monologue this is going to be enlightening and painful
Which is why god basing your salivating on a blood sacrifice while at the same time breaking all his own rules by commanding genocides takes that accountability away. All his wants is you to worship him then he forgives you and you don't have to be held accountable since you accepted a blood sacrifice lol 😆
Christian logic.
@@JohnV170 You could just have told me that you haven't read the Bible bro, it would have been less effort that whatever you wrote there
@@whodis799 you should read your own book. It's definitely substitutionary atonement through a blood sacrifice, since god requires blood for some reason to forgive people lol 😆
Ephesians 1:7 “In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.” Because of Christ’s shed blood, God is able to forgive us of sins because He took our punishment. While we deserve hell because of our sin, Jesus’ sacrifice makes heaven our eternal destination"
Yahweh is basically huitzilopochtli and addicted to blood 🩸 😂
This debate was over as soon as he started belittling Stuart.
Literally his first sentence 😂
Stuart unfortunately reacted by "agreeing with" Aron, trying to built bridges with a fool by belittling Young Earth Creationists.
In a sense, Stuart somewhat validated Aron's belittlement of him by reacting that way.
Yeah he literally started his opening statement doing it lol
@blueskiesmedia417 Change your name to Princess Peach - after reviewing your profile....... Princess Peach just seems correct.
I'm sorry but I can't watch this.. the RA dude is far to obnoxious...RA's the type of dude that talks alot and thinks he's the smartest person in the room..
His big fat flapper will get shut one day. He knows there's a creator, he's just a child whining because he doesn't like how God runs the universe.
Indeed. Definitely in love with the smell of his own farts
I'm with you. I have heard all I need to hear from Aron Ra. This guy is such an attention hog that he's pretty much irrelevant. But i get it. He's like Appalachian State. Selling out for big bucks to get thumped by better teams. But, every now and then, scoring the upset.
That's literally the problem. Theists avoid evidence that contradicts their biased beliefs!
The biblical fairytale is FULL of falsified nonsense. This is why religion relies exclusively on fallacious arguments to defend faith.
Full mug of beer with refills, no respect for truth or conversation. Just ready to belligerently scream his weak-minded blindness
Nice one Stuart. Know the truth and the truth shall set you free. greetings from India
At least Aron was able to contain himself for all of 2 seconds before he went to emotional, personal attacks. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
Great content , Ra definitely has arguments but doesn’t seem to deliver them affectively, seem to be emotionally driven. On the other hand I think Stuart did great & his ability to just laugh @ the nonsense is refreshing. Firm hands shakes to all 3 gentlemen
Well he's just not emotionally driven, he's also driven by his alcohol addiction. He has a full mug of it in every debate, with refills throughout each conversation.
What you're viewing is alcohol rage; a weak mind that is uncontrolled by its beholder; a person who is controlled by his desires and pride. Let's pray for Aron.
@@cl-fs6pt amen!
Thank you for admitting that were are the ones with emotions and you all are the robots.. good job
I like Stuart. He is really good at communicating himself. He is flexible in his ideal. Overall seem like a good dude. Aron doesn't seem like a fun person to be around. Imagine he spends all his free time just hating ideas that are not is own.
@@cl-fs6pt I understant Aron. Dealing with ignorants who believe in a 2000 year old book is tiresome.
I feel bad for Aron. It sounds like he got hurt by religious hypocrites at a young age and wanted to search for evidence against God. Which became confirmation bias, reading the bible out of context, ad hominem, and presuppositions.
cool… so can you provide a valid reason to believe in God? Because otherwise, these accusations seem more like projection
@@roscowbrown3937 the first phrase that popped in my mind when i heard him speak was... show me on the doll where they touched you.
This is literally every angst ridden atheist and they know it’s true, “God doesn’t exist and also I hate him”.
@@blazers1177 sure, just claim he hate something he never said he hates, because the only way to attack the atheist position is to misrepresent it
Everything Aron says is based upon evidence. EVERYTHING!
Thank you Stuart. I asked and you delivered! Awesome!
He made a fool of himself
You watched it nonetheless. By the way, I'm an atheist. You've only embarrassed yourself by wasting time sharing your aggressive ignorance with me.
@@tcarr349 wtf u talking about?
Aron ra was one of the atheists that started getting me to doubt my own atheism and I eventually came back to belief in God
God bless you aron ra , keep doing what your doing .🎉
Really? Can i ask you how? To me hes always been nonsensical but im amazed a former atheist has said so as well
Same here. For me it was him and Paulogia roasting Ken Ham
@@Psa22-6 how ? Well aron ra doesn’t listen to his opponents so well and he rarely ever deals with their arguments . He only brings up examples from his experience which never deal with the major questions of Gods existence .
@@dustingray5418 paulogia is another interesting character . He has an allergy to near death experiences lol
He won’t even talk about the research with me . I tried many times with him .
@@Psa22-6 straight have you ever looked into the shroud of Turin . fascinating relic
I love when Aaron just screams and throws tantrums and says you're wrong and he's right that's my favorite he's so smart and mature what a legand I have no clue how cliff and Stewart have the patience I could never ever.
@@Theo_Skeptomai to me that sounds like a very weird specific question I looked it up bc iv never heard that before and basically you want a fact from the Bible that support facts that are true today or?
@@Theo_Skeptomai first of all Theo a true fact is something that is true yesterday , today and in the future .
Even science doesn’t operate within the framework of true evidentiary facts .
Science operates by weighted evidence .
By this standard let’s take a look at 2 huge claims the Bible makes and take a look at where even science leans towards on these 2 claims
The Bible says we have a soul and there is an afterlife right ?
Where does science lean towards when it comes to the soul and the afterlife ?
I’m talking primarily about near death experience science.
Know anything about near death experiences Theo ?
This is the subject that aron ra refused to dialogue with me on on Facebook .
I’d like to hear your view on the scientific literature on ndes
@@WiRELeSS_G_13 no such thing as a true fact whether in history or in science mainly because we are finite beings living in a finite realm and are not in any position to know the future or anything 100% as true but we can form reasonable beliefs based on many different factors .
Anyone who thinks that science operates on true facts doesn’t know science lol
If you wanna see aron really get trounced watch his debate with inspiring Philosophy’s Michael Jones about the true meaning of pistis the Koine Greek worth for the faith that Christian’s have .
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf well unlike Aaron I actually have a real job I don't sit in my basement drinking alcohol with a bunch of stinky dogs debating people online and throwing little hissy fits like a girl spewing out random word salad's not even knowing what I'm talking about. I see your strategy is basically listen to all the evidence and dismiss it because it isn't up to your standards that's why this debate never goes anywhere and he just keeps screaming "you're wrong" like a baby lmao
1:44:25 really great questioning on your part Stuart. I hoped Ra would get it eventually but it didn’t seem to compute to him. You’re completely right though; from his pov, there’s no real reason why we ought to do for others- saying bc we just do, or bc they need it, doesn’t get to the root of why.
It's because we evolved as social animals, our survival depended on that attribute
@@brentbeepath7457 I somewhat agree; sure, there’s a reason for why that attribute is there, but as logical human beings we can supersede that attribute and understand philosophically that altruism is simply an evolved trait- just because it’s an evolved trait doesn’t mean it’s an urge we Ought to follow. That’s the question Stuart is driving at.
@@daseanclark5462 why isn't it an argument we should follow? Are you suggesting that we be dishonest and ignore objective facts just to abide by superstitious linear thinking? Why not follow the solid evidence provided when religion only offers assumptions?
That’s not what I’m saying- religion aside, I’m saying just because a thing has a trait to act a certain way doesn’t conclude that’s how the thing Ought to operate. For example: phones have the ability to call/text; that doesn’t mean we Ought to use them for that purpose, we can just as easily use them as paperweights or throw them at people as projectile weapons.
@@daseanclark5462 no one said we should think linear, act linear and reality shows we are far from linear. I'm giving you the prominent reason why helping others was and is beneficial for the progress of our species. I don't know why this fact is going over your head
I have no idea why we keep debating Ra...he is so overly annoying/is clearly not using evidence but is just trying to insult people
@@Theo_Skeptomai are you stating that he dont insult someone after every sentence? This guy is miserable amd just wants to tear down know matter the topic. The fact he called Joe Rogan stupid and never said anything he agreed with tells you that he is a miserable fool. I am not suggesting everyone must like Joe Rogan, but the fact he has a very very popular podcast because people agree with his opinions tells you that Aron's thinking doesnt allign with the majority of people. I am sure if Aron met you, he would talk down to you like your a child and tell you to read a book.
I dont care what you believe but the fact you support this ugliness just proves that anyone will follow anything as long as their is a common hate.
He is the stereotypical angry atheist. He’s funny at times I’ll give him that much,but the only thing he is lacking to fully become a living meme is the fedora.
Aron Ra has bi polar.
It takes quite alot of brain power to repress and intellectualize the repression of a belief so innate to human beings (belief in God). We ought to give him a little more credit for his foolishness, its hard work.
@@Theo_Skeptomai I didn’t determine that, thats what the data indicates.
Wow, so far I'm 8 minutes in and Aaron hasn't degraded anyone or even said a thing yet. I am impressed. But I'm only 8 minutes in, I'm sure he won't disappoint.
Yep untilllllll his introduction🤣
Did I you in kent hovinds dal page lol. I like him.
@@johnnyamerican513 haha. Yes I'm sure you have. I enjoy listening to Kent as well. Particularly his older videos. He's grown a bit bitter since prison, but i really don't blame him. His CSE Creation Science college series is on RUclips, and that has a ton of information in extreme detail behind what's in his 7 part seminar series
Why does Aron RA look like he's death warmed over and Stuart looks full of life?
I wonder 🤔
That’s just how aron looks .
To
Me he looks like the long haired guy from adams family ;)
What’s his name again ?
@V N Guys come on . A persons extrinsic looks tell you nothing of their inner disposition .
Aron could very well be a very nice guy .
He kind of reminds of of some of my metal buddies from high school in the 1980’s
@V N agreed VN
Look at Michael ruse . He’s an atheist and he looks like Santa Claus . Very jolly and nice guy especially with that English accent
Lurch
Stuart needs a real debate, or Aron needs to produce something besides emotional responses. Good job Stuart.
@@Theo_Skeptomai Stuart is at least better then his brother .
What exactly do you mean by evidentiary fact ?
Ah ok just googled if .
Ok I can present a few
Criterion of historical embarrassment for the resurrection of Jesus .
Who found Jesus tomb Empty first ?
Who saw the resurrected Christ first ?
The answer to both questions is the women .
This speaks volumes to the genuiness of what the apostles in what they claimed to have seen .
That wasn’t so difficult :)
Anywhere else we should go with this ?
@@Theo_Skeptomai and yes Theo the brothers need to sharpen their arguments a lot more .
A good apologist to watch is Michael Jones. This is the next William lane craig .
He has some awesome sciencd based apologist videos as well as scripturally based ones .
But some might not like him here as he is a believers in evolution .
He did wipe the floor with aron ra in their debates
Yes, Aaron is ridiculous. As a Satanist and a humanist, he can sit there all day and be his arrogant self-righteous, insulting, profane self with his dogmatic belief system and religious fervor- and yes, he ABSOLUTELY has a belief system and religiosity, it's the irrational hatred of Christian Orthodoxy ( about which he used typical dumb Atheist talking points only) AND of Christians in general. Stuart totally dumbed down the concepts he used and capitulated and tried to speak to Aaron on his level on any number of topics, but Aaron was only interested in insulting, belittling, and denying GOD-THAT is his whole reason for being, because Satan is the denier, the liar, the corruptor, the deciever, and the one that Aaron worships. THAT is the truth about why he hates God AND Christianity.
Aron was stating statistical data, Stuart was making alot of "I feel" and "I believe" responses, and you're saying Aron was emotional haha
What convinced you Christianity is true?
The whole thing about Aron is that he likes to Interrupt people, thinks by doing that he’s winning, insulting opponents and so on.. he is so full of his ego. May God help him and open his eyes before is too late.
It'd take a horrendous event to the point of near death in order for him to repent. His hatred for God is deep.
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Actually it’s not just hatred… it’s disappointment through false expectations… that’s a huge part of it… the other is how was the knowledge of god brought to them in the beginning… both can lead to huge problems understanding God
@@noneofyourbusiness792 good points. Childhood trauma tied to religion is also a factor.
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It would take the Holy Spirit
All your God has to do is send it
Aaron has done all the work
Some people just look at a tree and poof the holly spirit compelled them into believing
Seems like an easy thing for the all powerful God to accomplish
@@noneofyourbusiness792 bingo , I debated an atheist for 6 months but n the shroud of Turin and it turned out that he became an atheist because he went to a fire and brimstone church in which the pastor told him that God was going to send him to hell if he committed even one sin .
After our 6 month debate he became an agnostic .God and his Christian girlfriend will eventually bring him back
Very nice guy by the way
It’s so funny how Aron can’t make an argument without making it emotionally charged and with the biggest lack of evidence…
@@Theo_Skeptomai both equally
@@Theo_Skeptomai if you say there is no god that in it itself is a claim, same as if i said there is no sun there is no whatever granted god is of course is way harder to prove or disprove. but philosophically saying there is no god is a claim of truth and like all claims of truth for it to be validated proof is needed. it is not intelectually honest to lay all the burden on those that believe there is a god when you as a atheist deny there is a god equally having an opinion on the matter.
@@Theo_Skeptomai sooo i say the sky is blue and you say wrong, and i ask why and you say because i have no proof, it's true that i can't provide proof since we don't agree on what's evident in our respective experiences, but it doesn't make you right in your denial, right ? you kinda need to tell me what color is the sky if it isn't blue, for me to even take you seriously, else you're not providing anything but shallow denial
@@Theo_Skeptomai you may not have but aron ra surely has thats why I said IF you say there is no god. furthermore do you know how any formal debate works? there is a truth claim/topic of the debate then one party argues in the affirmitive and the other in the negative. In these debates is it intellectually honest that the one arguing in the negative of the debate topic just lean back and say you are the one arguing for this claim therefore all the burden of prooving it is on you? and i can just roll my fingers for i have no responsibility to validate my stance it is not. The other party argues in the negative in the same matter as the other party with reasoning and proof as to why their position is more in line with reality.
@@Theo_Skeptomai there is a difference between evaluating a claim to truth or as many atheists including iron ra do denying it completely. if you are on the agnostist side and you are just fine with not being sure you have nothing to prove because you dont claim to surely know anything. if you however deny a truth completely and call it invalid you need convincing evidence for you position for that ciriticism to be completely valid.
I was an atheist for 39 years and have always believed in God but was angry towards him.
Until I came to the end of myself and gave Him a sincere chance to do what His Word says He will and I am joyful that the woes of this world finally brought me to my knees.
So beautiful!! Please consider sharing your testimony! Even on RUclips! Even if it only reaches 1 person that’ll save a soul for eternity! My heart breaks thinking about individuals who have hardened their hearts til death. To think they close their eyes take their last breath then they open their soul eyes open and they realize Jesus was who He said He was. Oh the terror to realize there is no longer any sacrifice for your sin. So please brother if Holy Spirit leads you share your story and let God use it to reveal himself to those who are searching!
I'm sorry but I'm confused, how can you be an atheist for 39 years while still believing in a god? The definition of an atheist is "someone who doesn't believe in any god", not "someone whos angry at a god".
@alejandrofalconhernandez6333 If I truly believed there was a God I wouldn't have lived the way I did, in sin.
See, your knowledge is one-sided, you would never understand because you are still rejecting the idea.
I lived as an atheist but deep down hoped there was a God, but when I looked at my life I always said there can't be a God, and if there is one I hate Him.
Everyone knows there is a God but He is suppressed within the psyche. I know you will say that you are not but that to is expected because you suppress Him remember?
Now in hindsight, knowing there is a God I fear Him, I fear Him because I know if I died I would be punished for my sin but there is also good news, I can be forgiven and I believe in Jesus with all my heart and desire for Him to free me from my sins, through the work, that is being a perfect(without sin) human and paying the penalty for my every sin and I did sin very much, most likely way more than you could ever imagine yet God loved me enough to come and die in my place, and I am forever grateful for His salvation.
@andrewwright9960 He is all-powerful, all-knowing, and longsuffering towards the evil of this world.
Ever heard "don't take my kindness for weakness?" Well, don't take his grace toward you as a weakness.
@Andrew Wright You seem to be confusing power with how power is exercised, particularly of word of mouth and writings. God uses these as ways to display His power and glory. Of that's not all, but if that's your claim, it doesn't follow that God isn't powerful because he uses certain mechanisms or methods to display such power. No one accuses the king of not having any power when the king sends a messenger. On the contrary, the messenger is just that, a messenger, carrying along the message carrying the authority of the King himself.
Anytime Stuart asked a question, Ra just used his response to criticize Christians and their shortcomings. Have an actual argument
Atheists like Dillahunty and Aaron Ra both have strengthened my faith seeing the true folley of Epsitomological Nihlism and Atheism
What folly is that?
If you could, please explain what your faith consists of and what evidence you have to support your beliefs. Remember: Evidence is the facts that indicate.
@@theglowing1349 I would argue the same for your pint
@@theglowing1349 As a Prosecutor, I know when a witness is lying. When I read the Bible, I do not find lies.
Forensic analysis is maybe above your level of IQ or Education?
As a Prosecutor, I have read the bible and cannot find lying within the eye-witness testimonies. Why do you find them to be false? Do you have advanced degrees and years on this subject.
Are you going to claim that me, a subject matter expert on witness testimony, that I am wrong here? And if so, give me proof. I am humble enough to admit when I am wrong.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven
I, literally said,
"If you could, please explain what your faith consists of and what evidence you have to support your beliefs."
What eyewitness testimony are you saying is true and what facts do you have to indicate this evidence?
I would liked to have heard Stuart address his statements about Christians who do good deeds for God, who say 'I'll pray for you", etc...
Why? That's a completely separate point from the debate topic. If every christian never did anything good to help people and only prayed, that doesn't help or hurt either side. God could exist or not exist in that scenario without changing anything. It's a purely rhetorical point by Ra to get people to dislike christians.
Aron Ra, is just so rude, constantly interrupting, just loves the sound of his own voice.
The word you're looking for is clown. He's a clown show.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 Indeed.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416not really as Both of the apologist didn't prove God exist.
@@carnivalwholesale9809 so it's fine for Ra to be a twat if no one proves God exists? Mmmmk. Weird standard but whatever floats your boat.
They need a new moderator.... he looks like he was ordering his groceries.
He was 😉
No question as to which one of these guys I want to be more like!!!!!!!
James, when you introduce the debated, you got to tell us who is the speaker is, and what there position is on the debate. i listen to this in car on audio only, and I can't tell for a long while, who is talking in what position. thanks.
Right on, Stuart! Way to pour on the truth!
Oh look it’s the land of magic truth 👋👀🫣Wowee
John 14:6
He poured the same old tired arguments with no truth.
@@jasonnoble7302 nothing magical about it man. If you create a world and form of life, you could decide what truth is for said world and form of life. Which is why God decides what truth is and decides that we must be reconciled to Him. He has revealed it very clearly to you and is patient with you, do not reject His Son who He sent to bare His wrath that we deserve for our sins against Him. All will be without excuse
@@hablaf12
Yeah ?
What gives God the right to kill what he created?
God can kill infants because he has a right based upon what exactly ?
People whom were considered "Intellectuals" just 30 years ago would have poise and self-control. Oh how times have changed.
Spouting opinions, refuting, not knowing the difference between the Christian God and Allah is just sloppy. Not knowing that magic is the counterfeit to the power of God is sloppy.
Saying you have proof against a designer while quoting Abe Lincoin whom was a Christian is oxy moronic yikes. When Abe made that quote he was talking about you Aron.
This guy has nothing but mockery and stereotypes. This is not a proper rebuttal.
This guy hates God. Let's just pray for Aron. Darkness is taking a toll on him and you already know he's academically not there but this isn't an issue for academia is it? It is a heart issue. Good job responding to insanity. This is a mind given over in reprobation. Yet Jesus still stands at the door and knocks.
Can Aron explain his use of the word better? How is one groups tenants better than another?
In atheism better is a completely subjective word kind of like having a taste for a certain ice cream
One has evidence for their beliefs. Stuart doesn't.
@KamiaForPresident I should clarify. One has good evidence. Stuart does not have GOOD evidence.
@@fishjj76 hello Ben, I suspect you’d agree that Stuart like Aron have evidence, or if you prefer, reasons; however he sees them differently than Aron. They in fact share much of what you might call evidence and simply see it from a different point of view. What I am trying to get at is how or why the word better can be used. Better might mean something different than we take it for. You might ask as well, what do you mean by Good?
Aron seems very unprofessional in his approach
Exactly everything he says is fact lol
No one can ever dispute what he says, it's final lol
I recently found this channel reminds me of secular talk back in the day
GOD BLESS STU' AND ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST FIGHTIN THE GOOD FIGHT IN JESUS MIGHTY NAME 🙏
Does Aron understand this is a debate? And that he's expected to respond logically and factually to the arguments put forth by the opponent? Or does he think sarcasm, rudeness, and existential caterwauling is enough?
Aron doesn't not believe in God and he hates God at the same time. :P
It's possible to hate a fictional character.
@@Pizzacat.25
Sane people don't spend their lives having it dictated by a fictional evil character, except when it comes to a god people just accept it as-if they aren't completely delusional.
You ask why, I 'devote my life' (bit of an overstatement) to trying to make the people around me not insane? I scoff at the insinuation that they don't deserve it.
Doesnt not ?
Stuart, where can I message Cliffe to have a 1 on 1 with him? I understand that he’s a busy man but I’ve been watching him for a while and love his advice!
Why don't you go visit his church?
@@ExodusPrime-x5h I can’t, I live in Arkansas 🤠
stuart you’re the goat bro love you
I look at Aron and I feel for him, I used to feel the same way about God.
so Can you prove him now? If not, y’all still feel the same
I would like to see Aron Ra debate James White
Dr. white would have Ra in a worse state than Dr. Clark by the end of the debate.
@@DispIeasedDog 😂😂
Prayers for Aron, man he’s lost, so incredibly lost, but that doesn’t mean he’s lost forever. Jesus the good shepherd leaves the 99 for the 1
When I'm listening to two people with opposing views debate, there are two main things that I am looking at. First and foremost, I am looking at who of them seems to be the most in touch with the facts about reality, eg, are they saying things which are a bit where the rainbow ends, a bit dreamy, a bit trippy, a bit out of this world, if you know what I mean?? Or are they saying things which correspond with our common experience of how this reality works??
Not to say that there can't possibly be another reality somewhere, there might be for all I know but this is the only one I know of, so this is the only one I can use to guage with. Now, the second thing I am looking at is the person themselves, in other words, does each person seem as if they are benefitting from what they believe? Does it seem to make them a better and more pleasant human being? Or does it seem to be making them angry, gross, obnoxious and unpleasant??
Well, on the basis of each of those two criteria, in my eyes, Aron won on the FIRST one, hands down, however, Stuart won on the SECOND criteria, hands down. Stuart is just a more pleasant, positive and likeable person and that is important, not as important as the truth, of course, but it is, nevertheless important.
The moral of the story here is whether you're a theist or an atheist, If you sound like a miserable, bitter and foul tempered person, it's going to be very difficult for you to convince anyone to buy into your position, because, they will understandably be concerned that they will end up the same. Remember, you're an ambassador for your position, and speaking personally as an atheist, there is nothing more embarrassing for me than a fellow atheist who sounds absolutely gross. Going by them, I couldn't blame anyone for not wanting to be an atheist. We're not all like that in reality though but it does leave that impression. And yes, plenty of gross theists too, again, they're not all like that either. We must be fair to all.
What drivel.
Aron Ra has yet to appear in one of these debates not under the influence of alcohol. He may never open the door for Jesus (Revelation 3:20). But he has that free will. He does believe in a god and that god is Self. Sad but true.
Ad hominem
@@sheaconnelly4287 Open the door for Jesus? Lol
@@sheaconnelly4287 If he is a god he'd not need belief.
Stuart with the W!
1:05:00
Yet evolutionists have never observed any fish that they believe is the first fish to evolve into a land-dwelling animal, yet it's undeniably true in their mind.
Yeah there was.
Similar to the buffalo wings that taste so yummy-
This is what fish sticks are - the 50 fish legs that we harvest for the paper plate!
Aron is such a KAREN calling people 'liars' constantly is not an argument 😂😂
Stuart for the W!!
Instead of looking for the manager he's calling to see God. It does seem like Aron is living out his atheism belief, but it is funny seeing him go full karen😂.
You do realize, that Stuart did not give any evidence for the existence of a god and misrepresented what Aron said?
Except it is an argument when you are in fact a liar.
karen ra
All Karens are christians.
50:00
Circular reasoning. IF - and if is only 2 letters so capitalizing it only barely makes it stand out - IF, this universe is Godless, then this universe is evidence we don't need an intelligent mind behind this universe in order for logical mathematics to exist independent of us. Once again, IF.
And that's circular reasoning because the topic arose in the first place after Aron tried to use it as an argument against Stuart's point.
He's not even honest with himself, as if he doesn't have a purpose for his life, he isn't lazy. He has debates and podcasts, and he makes his own purpose, even though he is just trying to occupy his time until he inevitably dies and ends.
Where does your purpose in life come from? Are you incapable of providing your own purpose, and thus in need of a sky daddy to define it for you?
@Generatorman59 Anybody can develop their purpose in life but it's all about self, the best life now,
I lived the atheist life for 39 years, and I've been born again for 10 years now and there is a huge difference between the two world views.
I find God way bigger and better than myself and find much joy in Him.
You can have that purpose but I'd rather live a selfless life.
@@MyRoBeRtBaKeR So, you willfully submit to the purpose that you think this God bestowed upon you. As for me, I think it is vile and disgusting to entertain the idea that my purpose has to come from an outside source. But hey, to each their own. If you choose to be indoctrinated, go for it.
@Theo_Skeptomai Yes. He manifests Himself more and more as I meditate on His message.
Have you seen primordial soup, and not in a lab or on a computer screen?
Unless you will try to tell me that you don't believe in evolution or naturalism?
@Generatorman59
Yes, I believe in something outside of my interest. It used to be all about me, love one's or strangers no mind, just as long as I am happy I am fulfilled, now that's vile.
Furthermore, if you believe, as you can never observe it, that life came about just by appearing in the universe from nowhere.
Be honest with yourself, you will never know the truth concerning this theory yet you believe it because you grew up in a learning institute that indoctrinated you into believing it.
Blind credulity is impossible. It is not blind at all if the the reality that we see is our sin laid bare. We recognize it for what it is and see the truth that we are not good people, and that the means to salvation from it is a necessary atonement. Further faith such as this requires further action of repentance from sin and living (what is truly living) in righteousness
This is the heart of the issue and an excellent point. The “you have no proof” jab is simply leveraging their subjective interpretation of what we consider obvious proof of divine providence. The irony of holding only to science and pretending that philosophy and/or faith have nothing to do with truth-seeking is that you literally aren’t allowed to interpret data. It’s not possible. The same data point can confirm or deny fifteen different theories based on the INTERPRETER lol.
Stuart makes a key mistake early on saying that evolution has to do with the origin of life, as far as I'm aware evolution says nothing about the origin of life, it has much more to do with how living organisms adapt to their environment. The origins of life is a completely different section of science also known as abiogenesis.
I think he ment Evolution in terms as finding origin of humans
@@rickv8495 Going by what he actually said he talked about the origin of life as opposed to the origin of humans. He also said he fully accepts evolution, so I'm assuming he accepts that life has been around in various forms for hundreds of millions of years, as opposed to a few thousand years. If that's the case we're in agreement 🙂
Stewart and his church do not believe in a young earth. They get more followers by accepting a earth billions of years old. They are not Bible believers.
@@CartoonForFood I'm sure I've heard Cliffe and Stuart talk about Genesis as being a factual account of how we got here, which kind of goes against how evolution says we came about. Both accounts can't be right.
@@bonnie43uk you’ve also heard them say evolution does not contradict the Bible.
Aron Ra - The I am right and you are wrong, nobody is intelligent but me and I will not elaborate debator. The arrogance and self righteousness of this man is astounding.
If you go to his channel instead of just being ignorant. You will see that he does elaborate about everything that he says. Christians don't have any real evidence because prophets and magic are not real that we know of. Until there is actual proof only a fool believes in any of these made up religions.
He's just being honest, Stuart is wrong and he is uneducated. Maybe you should stop focusing on the wrong things.
until you give a valid reason to believe in God, it’s pretty arrogant to suggest Aron is wrong without justification
@@roscowbrown3937 Maybe re-read my comment as it appears you misunderstand what I said. I’m clearly talking about Aron-Ra’s character/conduct during the debate not his side of this debate. While he is completely wrong, that’s not what I was originally commenting on. Plenty of valid reasons were provided in this video- it’s on you whether you accept the logical truth or continue in your own beliefs. 1+1=2 whether you agree or disagree. I will recap some reasons tho- 1. Life comes from life 2. Rational minds come from rational minds 3. The cosmos order and design demands a creator 4. Genuine love, anger, hate, humor etc. (Feelings) demands a spirit and soul that we all have- (we are trichotomy beings- body, soul and spirit) this is given to us by God- we don’t get spirit and soul from matter and energy. 5. Objective morality- no atheist has been able to refute this, only go in circles in debate saying a lot of words but ultimately saying nothing. Once you push on this narrative and keep pushing they will collapse on top of their own argument. 6. A more in depth reinforcement to 3- think of all the systems on earth and relationships- ecosystems, water cycle, carbon cycle, the makeup of the air we breathe, the tilt of the earth, construction of our bodies, organs, muscles, bones, the plentiful food we have and can go grow, the moon in relation to the oceans, the sun being the perfect distance to provide warmth and light but not fry us or be too far to freeze us. Just think of everything going on within the planet. The odds of this earth happening the way it is with the creatures and humans we have is so catastrophically insane we shouldn’t be here. It all demands a creator outside space and time. The evidence of God is easily all all over the place, the evidence of Jesus is a tremendous amount of evidence. The question is - are humans going to be of humble mind to learn and seek God or be self righteous in their own beliefs thinking we as humans are our own God.
Ra: It's so complex it can't be from God
...atheist this isn't your guy right?
Simplicity is the hallmark of design, not complexity.
@@infinity7306 I think your conflating randomness with complexity. We can tell things are designed from pattern and purpose
...these can be complex or simplistic
(I assume youre quoting someone?)
@@MrWaves-oj9ge
Usually we recognize design though experience; a building, a hammer, a painting, we have experience in seeing first hand how each of these things are put together and used, and we never assume that anything supernatural is at work.
We can contrast that with things that are not designed, a star, a planet, a tree, a dog. We see that they are not designed, rather they come about through natural causes and are a result of completely natural, not always random, and unguided forces.
Until you see a magic man poofing bunny rabbits from thin air, I don't think we have anything to talk about of any real significance regarding the topic of "design", when it comes to living things.
The more complex something is, the more obvious it has a designer . For example, a cars engine needs far more intelligence than a hammer . there is a way more obvious and higher level of intelligence with the design of the engine than there is with a hammer .
But I would actually give you the premise that simplicity is the hallmark of design if this were a debate but I would take you to the transcendental argument which I believe is kryponite for skeptics and atheist.
@@DA-og5pj
Really, are we in 2005 and we are back to TAG again?
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I love stuart but he needs to stop just agreeing all the time. It really makes him look lukewarm as a Christian. I wish he was a bit more firm in his face, stand 10 toes down
One more thing...I hope he also notices how he doesn't answer anything and just mocks and complains. He is so closed-minded and traumatized or something. He has so much hate. Look at his face throughout the whole thing.
This debate was not good. He came in very closed and hateful. He would put us in prison if he had the chance and claims we are hateful people. This debate was insane. He has to humble himself and stop thinking he's above Christians. He is not!
This was all emotional for him. He didn't allow you to speak much and all he tried to do was be as disgusting and horrible on purpose to get Christians mad. If only he knew what Christians actually believed.
I notice with atheists wanting to live there life their own way but they will be quick enough to say you should not have killed that person, what you did to that young kid was wrong. Well in your materialistic worldview thats just an opinion.
I have to thank people like Stuart for being so inept at demonstrating what they believe so that I can know there is no truth there.
I love these debates, whatever you read or get told, it still comes down to your trust whom u believe, be that man or God, I choose to trust Jesus The One True Living God 😇❤️❤️❤️🙌🙌🙌🙏🏻🙏🏾🙏🏿🙏🙏🏽I live in peace now and eternally🙌🙌🙌❤️❤️❤️
Ill stick with the side that has actual demonstrable evidence. Thanks.
False. You only need belief when you lack evidence. Evidence does not require belief, or it is not evidence.
@@infinity7306 the word demonstrable as labeled by Oxfords dictionary is “clearly apparent or capable of being logically proved.”
When it comes to a philosophical question such as “does God exist” there is no amount of evidence that could prove any assertion in regards to this question.
However, I am interested in hearing this proof as to why God would not exist.
@@MaxK4ch
God is a flawed/failed hypothesis that cannot be argued for without committing a logical fallacy, that is why a god cannot exist.
Every argument is fallacious, and every fallacy has been used to argue for a god.
@@infinity7306 What logical fallacy is committed by arguing that God exists?
Which one of these men act as if they are intellectually superior to everyone he speaks to?
Aron never has a good argument. He just insults people. He’s not persuasive at all.
@@DeltaLead65 Are you talking about Stuart?
Aron Ra when he realizes constantly interjecting and interrupting his opponent doesn’t mean he’s winning the debate: 😭😭😭😭🥲🥲🥲🥲😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬😫😫😫😫😒😒😒
It's funny, they clearly have the better arguments, him and T Jump, but they always lose their GD minds and meltdown like children.
18:38
Your ignorance is expected, so for you to believe that a mere confession saves you from the recompense for your sins, certainly makes sense.
No, believing will have to accompany a change of heart and this change will be to agree with God's will, that you are a sinner in need of a Savior.
You will need to be humble, pray, seek Him, and turn from your wicked ways and then He will hear from Heaven and forgive your sins and heal your land.
The comment section on Stuart's side is just as bad as Stuart's arguments.
Willfully ignorant statements filled with lies and tunnel vision away from truth.
Also haven’t seen a single ignorant one apart from this one exact
Everyone is skeptical but not everyone is a cynic, even Christians.
@@Theo_Skeptomai Everyone is either skeptical or they are naive to the point they will believe anyone or anything.
What you just claimed is nonsensical.
Jesus is king
Aron said “only stupid could allow it to be that complex.” He wants to wear upside down crosses. Speaks highly about the satanic tenants over Christianity. Sad. He’s a rude, interrupting, lost, broken man.
😂😂😂 no arguments, just insults, tantrums and arrogance… Aron is just sad! He’s so easily destroyed by Stuart Lmao
1:13:46
"When they agree with me, then I'll defend it [and if they say something I disagree with, I'll put more effort into trying to either find, or artificially manufacture, that which I can take issue against, than how much effort I put into trying to better understand what they really mean - if I'm going to steelman an argument, then I'd prefer it be an argument I already agree with, whereas I don't so much want to put in that effort when it comes to that which I disagree with; I'd rather use strawmen when it comes to that, than steelmen]."
I really believe Aron does know deep down God exists he simply just hates him. When he stand before God on judgment day though he will see either way.
I could just as easily say that you know deep down that there is no God but simply just are too afraid to admit that you will cease to exit when you die and there is no magical essence that goes on.
For debate to be possible, both sides must assume the other is sincere in believing what they claim.
I wish all debates used a moderator. It helps limit people talking/yelling over each other.
The athiest hasn't learned to tame his tongue. Cussing and interrupting during a interview is not professional at all. His mother must be real proud. 👏
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@Justin Gary ❄️
I am a Christian and I don't believe in the God Aaron Ra doesn't believe in. I think I speak for all of Christianity.
It does seem pretty convenient to bring in organized religion, random gods, political movements, and other religions that nobody agrees with while not telling anyone that he isn't arguing something anyone believes.
See the difference between an atheist and a Christian? One believes life has meaning and look at the difference of the two guys!😂
I'm an atheist and I define my own meaning. I don't need an invisible sky daddy mandating any meaning to me.
@@Generatorman59 that's awesome 😎
@@Generatorman59 Says a caucasian who are known for colonising and destroying the world. Going from your point of view you guys have not paid for what your ancestors did to my country . You guys even made an anglo saxon idol as Jesus to impose your superiority mindset. If morality is relative and we all can define our meaning and purpose then the first thing all ethnicity people should do is to punish you caucasians for your blood thirsty land grabbing activity and destroying many civilizations , doing slavery . Caucasian atheist are much worse
@@shiningarmour1357 Well, aren't you the racist one! Do you actually think anyone should be punished for what their ancestors may or may not have done? I had no part in making an idol of Jesus. I had no part of grabbing land. I had not part in doing slavery.
Look, you obviously have issues and I suggest you seek counseling. There are a lot of medication available on the market to supplement your therapy. Good luck.
You can’t really use that argument because you have atheists like Tom jump who believe in objective moral values without a God .
Even though that can be debunked he still is much more intelligent then aron ra .
Aron ra is great for converting atheists to Christian’s
How do you think I started doubting my atheism 😂😂😂
If you had the option to do evil for your benefit , and not get caught why would it be wrong ?or would it be stupid to not do it ? I think this is a question that gets deep to the root of morality. Also it may look evil but they were confused about your point of view. It says the accuser is the author of confusion so…
If you believe the Bible from cover to cover then you have to believe in a young earth.
If you’re referring to the Earth being 2,000 years old that’s not Scripture.
@@Lunchladydoyle I’m referring to the Biblical timeline of the earth being about 10,000 years old
@@Lunchladydoyle 2000? It's around 6000 to 10,000. 2000 is when Christ was crucified, and was so significant it changed our calendar year
I believe the Bible but do not necessarily believe in a young earth. If you read Genesis carefully the seventh day never ended and we currently live within that "day". As Peter writes, one day is like a thousand years and thousand years like a day, if the seventh day never ended then that's a long day.
False. The story of the bible is the story of a people. not the story of the earth.
This atheist starts out saying he is a satanist. a waste of time preaching to this lost case. he has made his choice and will end up in a very hot eternity.
id love to see aaron debate a christian that won’t let him throw tantrums and insult them. someone who will push back hard like a bpf or someone similar.
Aron Ra didnt quote Einstein correctly. Stuart said Einstein believed in “a god” not Christian God. Aron claimed Einstein was a Pantheist but a simple google search said he didn’t call himself a pantheist. Einstein believed in spinozas god which IS “a god”
Including scientology when condemning religion is disingenuous, Stuarts opening was so solid. that family never ceases to shed light on the mystery of God, much respect to them
The moment Stuart opened his mouth I had to turn the debate off because I immediately saw Aron’s demeanor and knew that the rest of the debate would be Stuart trying to respond while Aaron screams over him “NUH UH!” And “THATS NOT TRUE” without ever citing anything remotely close to a credible source or even a quote in full context. He is just a scared man who was mistreated by his father and needs to be affirmed in his hatred for the one who gave him that father. He wants there to be no God because he fears judgement. What a sad existence.
Based. Aron’s favorite argument is seeing how much louder he can speak over the other person and at the same time belittle his opponent and their argument. The debate should end as soon as someone loses their temper. And any time Aron Ra is involved, he happens to be the one who loses it first. Hmmmm it’s almost like he can’t even tolerate opposing opinions and only wants to prove the other person wrong?
I'm not watching but I have a prediction for the comments section. The Christians will claim Stuart won and the atheists will claim AR won.
Neither will actually win because no one EVER wins these things.
It'll just be dueling presup flexes. Boring.
Stuart won. Hands down.
The purpose of these debates is not to win. The point is to present differing ideas and then let the audience come to their own conclusions.
@@ninjason57 but still...
These 2 don’t represent the best of their sides .
An example of a very good atheist debated is graham oppy
Or john beloff
Or Michael ruse
An example of great Christian thinkers is Cs lewis , William lane craig and inspiring philosophy’s Michael jones .
John beloff was so unbiased in his atheism that he begged his fellow atheist to just believe in the soul and afterlife and try to come up with naturalistic explanations for them .
CS lewis started out as an atheist
@@DonnaW71 Stuart won because aron ra did nothing but basically scream
Aron Ra really turns me off for atheism... I will never be THAT atheist. If a religious person can be open and honest about what they can't explain I respect them. Aron has a script he runs off and, imo, overzealous opposition to religion.
😂
One person shouldn't influence you😂
Religious people are not open or honest!
They ignore deflect lie misrepresent and some.
They say they have evidence but give none.
You can't be over anything when dealing with the lies of religion.
If a person believes in fantasies and is honest, I respect him… but you clearly just have a scrip if your claim is that fairy tales aren’t real
Both comments under Cliffe page and Aaron Ra page are biased asf so…wtf where is the conclusion?
There is none to be had in a debate like this. Both are arguing about things that must come down to faith based on one’s choice of how to perceive the world and ourselves. Aron’s view presumes that wrong acts are inconveniences rather than actual sins.
That's the problem with debates, both parties bring in assumed omniscience about their position and no one is willing to learn from one another, no interface, no good faith dialogue, just silly word games and bullying and manipulation everyone who participates loses. Only debate I've seen and enjoyed is Jordan Peterson vs Zizeck
I like how none of you debunk or address Aron's points but instead point out how big of a meany he is instead of
When you're having a debate about morality and you act immoral, it's hard to ignore the results, you know?
@@grawss that's fair but why is no one able to refute his points instead or even at all? Oh, because you can't.
@@kylerashby1997 The points themselves are vague, and his standards are undefined. In the experiment of spirituality, where we perform the experiment against a standard, Christianity has Jesus, and all religions have their "control" for the experiment. Aron has no control for his experiment, so it is disregarded as nonsense, rejected by the entire world. The results he achieves (he's a meanie) are the evidence of its failure, whereas the results everyone else achieves are the evidence of their successes or failures. If you'd like, tell me a point he made, and I'll give it a shot.
@@grawssif you watched this video and didn't pick up anything he said as reasonable then the point is probably moot. But I'll give it a shot.
And your standard is a religion that condones slavery, sexism and misunderstands demons with dieseases. Thinks that impossible things happened historically without proof. I don't know how moral it is to dispute experts constantly without reason other than god said in the book he apparently wrote that it didn't happen. Anyway I'll find some of the things he said.
@@kylerashby1997 Hey I'm getting to bed. I'll be up early so if you come up with something I'll try my best!
Don't make assumptions about my beliefs or my evidence though. That isn't the way forward! God bless you and nighty night! ♥️
Aron interupts, argues with insults and sarcasm, he is the worst debater of all debaters.
Why do legitimate platforms keep giving Aaron Ra an invitation to serious debates? He does no favors to those who share his views. He just insults and throws tantrums. I’ve not heard a half decent argument out of his mouth in years.
This guy, the complex is not complex but is simpler.
Call me stupid but more information brings on more complexity lol
So according to him drawing a circle is just as complex as drawing a maze.
Why? Presuppositions, he only sees naturalism, therefore, it is beyond the realm of possibility that anyone can see complexity in anything.
Close-minded much?
Ra said “the more complexity means a more stupid design” 😂 so it proves no God or intelligent creator, 😂this sounds like the same logic people saying a man can be a woman. 😂😂😂😂seriously is that bad
Aaron says we evolved to have a caring nature to help others but then easily gets upset with someone's different worldview. We can choose to love or not (it's not some chemical thing) but we can be attracted to someone we view as attractive and still not love them. People confuse love with lust and that's why it's incorrect to say 'Love is love'.
If we all lived as if there's no God and go against our conscience and fully in sin, there'd be no justice (it's relative), earth would go backwards so fast and luckily for us whether we believe or not there's still a God.
This is Monumentally not true as Scandinavian countries are extremely secular and they haven't devolved into what you claim Secularist evolve to.
“And so it was with me, brothers and sisters. When I came to you, I did not come with eloquence or human wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling. My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power. We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written: “What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived”- the things God has prepared for those who love him- these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.”
1 Corinthians 2:1-16 NIV
bible.com/bible/111/1co.2.1-16.NIV
Aron doesn't even know the Christian faith. It's fine if he believes what he believes but he was saying things that aren't even true about the faith.
Aron Ra has locked himself into the same box that a lot of other atheist/agnostics put themselves in, and his idea of what God should or shouldn’t be is in there with him. Anyone who claims to be a theist has to admit to themselves and everyone else that there are going to be certain aspects of an all powerful creator-being that are beyond our scope of understanding. Nobody can claim to know what God should/shouldn’t or would/wouldn’t do. Claiming to know the mind of God is the epitome of pride and arrogance.
That box is called reality. Come join us sometime.
@@infinity7306 I believe that reality exists outside of said box and that those who dwell within it are limiting themselves when they determine that there is no God. It’s entirely possible that God exists and based on my experiences and observations, highly probable.
@@AhFahted
Not only is it not possible for a god to exist, as existence requires manifestation in reality, and supernatural things aren't real. I know for a fact that your specific god is just completely made up.
@@infinity7306 To make such a claim would require absolute knowledge of everything, something which none of us posses. At the very least you should be able to admit to the possibility of there being God. To not make this admission, in my estimation, displays a lack of humility, not to mention intellectual dishonesty.
@@AhFahted
God can't exist by definition.
Internal and external inconsistencies with reality make it more than obvious gods are completely fictitious characters, invented by humans.
aron giving all this info on there is no God, but he leaves out all the evidence that shows the bible is real, that there is a God.
25:17 whats the point in even debating with him? he asserts all of his opinions as truth
What’s the point of commenting and disagreeing with Aron if you can’t provide any valid reason to believe in God?
I want to ask, please answer me. When God created the universe, did God use raw materials? If God did not use raw materials in creating the universe, then what was it that became the universe, was it God's Word that became the universe or what was it that became the universe?
I suppose death is made up as well, as hell is death, though we believe it is eternal, it is still death.
Hell, despite what most think, including Christians, was not meant for God's creation but was created for Satan and any that follow after his ways.
Matthew 25:
Matthew 25:41-46
Matthew 25:41-46 KJV
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
After the openning statement of the atheist, I have to just change channel. There was no argument from the athiest, that was all ad hominems.
aaron ra is a perfect example of an angry atheist who’s convinced themselves they are not angry.
but you will know them by their fruit…
Einstein did, in fact, believe in a God. Not the Christian God, but that’s not what Stuart said. He called him a Deist, which is accurate. That’s when Ra lost me, when he said he’s wrong about that. Getting that fact wrong affects his credibility as a debater.
"I never strawman!"
sure, just focus on that and ignore Stuart never providing a valid reason to believe
Seven children lost in the woods walking aimlessly trying to find their way home. The children come across this cave, where Aron the troll emerges from the darkness. With a grin on his face, The troll looks at the children and begins laughing. The children try to ask the troll for directions and the troll replies, "you are stupid, and you are going the wrong way."
For the children who decided to stay at the cave and live with Aron, what possessed yall to stay?
He tells good stories, and makes a mean BBQ. 😂😂😂
36:12
"It wouldn't be that complex if it were intelligently designed."
The amount of knowledge one must know before one can arrive at that conclusion with certainty... I'm going to try to think of an example I can wrap my head around somewhat in order to better understand what's going on here.
Imagine you were born yesterday with no knowledge other than somehow you can speak and understand English. Someone tells you about how leap years work.
They say that 1 year = 365 days. Cool, sounds good so far.
Then they say "but every fourth year, that year has 366 days." Okay, that's weird, but okay....
Then they say "but 3 times every 200 years, we actually skip the leap year - that is, what would usually be a leap year, we skip making that a leap year 3 times every 200 years, and so it has the normal 365 days instead of the leap year's 366." Okay, you had me confused one paragraph ago, but now I'm starting to question whether you know what the heck you're talking about at all.
If you're omniscient and you know that it takes 365.2??????? days for the Earth to orbit the Sun, then you're not going to jump to the assumption that someone was smoking drugs when they came up with the leap year system.
However, if you're like [any human being on Earth] and you're not omniscient, then if you're also arrogant enough, you'll arrive at the conclusion that "leap years wouldn't exist at all if whoever developed our calendar system or whatever that's called wasn't smoking meth or whatever insane drugs make you stupid."
Wow. He seems scary and angry. I am not talking about his appearance, my dad is a biker and has long hair and looks mean but I am talking about his character. He seems rude and doesn't smile whatsoever. He seems very bitter and lost...angry