I always love listening to Aron Ra because he is so well grounded in the history surrounding the Bible and he is not afraid to point out the fallacies.
I find it striking that proof exists about Jesus from unbiased sources outside of the Bible. Some of these writers have provided direct evidence of Christians, while others have provided indirect evidence of the existence of Jesus and of His crucifixion. The writings of these writers offer a peek into the current events taking place from the late first century to the late second century. I find difficulty in downplaying or explaining away these writer's writings on the account of the prestige and social position they held, and the disdain illustrated in some of their writing. I only provided writing for four writers and the remaining five writers are included in my table chart located on my channel. Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus, Phlegon, Thallus, Julius Africanus, Flavius Josephus Tacitus, The Greatest Roman historian and senator Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. He then describes the torture of Christians: Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man’s cruelty, that they were being destroyed. Mara Bar-Serapion, He was a Syrian philosopher, who wrote a letter to his son sometime after AD 73. There is only one manuscript of his letter in existence and preserved in the British Museum. "What advantage did the Athenians gain from putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as a judgment for their crime. What advantage did the men of Samos gain from burning Pythagoras? In a moment their land was covered with sand. What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise King? It was just after that that their kingdom was abolished. God justly avenged these three wise men: the Athenians died of hunger; the Samians were overwhelmed by the sea; the Jews, ruined and driven from their land, live in complete dispersion. But Socrates did not die for good; he lived on in the statue of Hera. Nor did the wise King die for good; he lived on in the teaching which he had given." Lucian, "The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day-the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account. … You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains their contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property." Pliny the Younger, Is another valuable historical source for information on Jesus and the early Church. Pliny was the governor of the Roman province of Bithynia, located in Asia Minor. In the year 112 AD, he wrote to the Emperor Trajan, asking how he should deal with those in his region who have been accused of being Christians. In the letter, Pliny describes the practices of these “criminals”: “They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food-but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.”
If u knew the Bible then u would know how intellectually dishonest he is. He mis-quotes,or takes out of context a lot of the Bible to push his atheist agenda.
What is the atheist agenda? Lol atheism is the disbelief in gods due to the overwhelming lack of EVIDENCE. Provide proper evidence, and atheists wouldn't exist. @@justinmoock7506
I think Americans give us Europeans far too much credit. There are plenty of idiots over here too. Obviously not me, I'm well clever and also incredibly modest about it.
@James Powers Atheism doesn't seek to provide any answers in itself. Other things, like science, are in charge of that. Atheism in itself is just a lack of belief in gods because of a lack of evidence for said deities. Religion tries to give answers, and fails tremendously at proving them to be true.
James Powers Your folk don’t seem to have any answers either. Look at who you supported for President. Trump has no moral compass and lacks empathy. Don’t come here to preach as if you’re on a moral high ground. You aren’t.
A modified ( Dirty Harry ) quote. " This is a bible, the most powerful handbook in the world, and if used properly, it can cause atheism. " I am no longer bound by (ANY) religion.
mr bumble. Tell me about it. When I want meat I have to convince myself it's okay, and then I don't have to feel guilty about the delicious taste. Destructive human habits are like inculcation on the mass scale, just look at Tyson.
Yep, we're all just children of chaos, yet theologists still refuse to believe our lives and universe came to be through circumstance, rather than design. So fascinating. Such romantics. It would almost be endearing if it weren't for the fact that they actively attempt to pass laws based on their dusty ol' novel to affect and control us. What a buzz kill.
Wow. Dillahunty's speech, beginning at approximately 30 min., is practically good enough as to be worthy of memorization. The guy's a genius, I think -- has a very special knack for distilling big, complex ideas into plain-language nuggets. I hope he's writing books.
@James Powers we don't know isn't the same as we have no fucking clue. Our proverbial cup runs over with new questions to which we attempt to answer with testable possiblities daily. Meanwhile, your singular answer hasn't changed in over 2000 years and contributed fuck all to overall knowledge. In fact, it should go down in history as what not to do before we pay it any creedance, just below the "fuck this shit: INCINERATE" pile.
@James Powers there is nothing wrong with not knowing lol... your such a pathetic piece of shit that you cannot see something so simple... Science is built on the best available data which gets updated with evidence... Religion has no evidence and is built on crazy lunatics... And I do know what happens when I die... I become nothing, my brain stops getting oxygen all my thinking feeling and everything I am mentally is gone into nothingness and the energy is transfered and spread back into the universe... my body also will eventually become nothing as the energy transfers from it to nature... Not knowing is better than knowing something that's incorrect ... fucken brain dead morons like you think that knowing the wrong thing is better than not knowing but guess what that just proves your an egotistical jackass who needs to feel important and special when in reality your one of the stupidest people born...
I had no idea these two got together. I wish I was as interested in this age old debate in 2015 as I am now. I would have loved to have been in the audience. Thank the Gods for RUclips haha
Tragic that today BOTH these guys have ABANDONED caring about truth, and have both accepted beliefs, justified by 100% identical standard of evidence, AND by SPECIFIC evidence (or absence there-of) 100% identical, to that of Christianity, Islam, Scientology etc. They (justifiably... back before they became blatnant hypocrites, at least) criticize Christians and other religions, for accepting beliefs, despite total absence of empirical evidence, and for defining "truth", justified ONLY by a (totally subjective, unfalsifiable, non-empirical) standard of evidence that "but it FEEELS true, to me..." Yet TODAY, both Dillahunty and Ra hold a 100% faith-based belief that "trans-women ARE women"... despite a total absence of empirical of empirical evidence (in fact, EVERY SHRED of empirical evidence says the exact opposite; That defintionally, EVERY SINGLE """trans-woman""" is objectively an evidence-based MAN...) And that belief is justified ONLY by a totally subjective, unfalsifiable, non-empirical standard of evidence of "but... but it FEEELS true, to me!!!" And like every other religion, they don't even TRY to rationally defend these beliefs, based on VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE (like they demand for every religion... EXCEPT their own...) They just accuse non-believers of being evil, hateful sinners (or "hateful transphobes", in their own religious jargon. But the MEANING is exactly the same- "Sinner"/"transphobe" BOTH mean "anyone who rejects my 100% evidence-free, faith-based beliefs")
@@baconsarny-geddon8298a woman is somebody with certain physical characteristics. Such as breasts. It also includes a lot of socially typical characteristics such as long hair, certain clothes, etc. A trans woman fills most of these characteristics. This is because they have the hormonal makeup of a woman due to pills, which changes their body’s biology. The reason they do this is because they experience gender dysphoria. Cisgender people also experience gender dysphoria, in cases such as if a medication has a side effect altering their hormones. Thus, both cisgender and trans people take these pills in order to relieve gender dysphoria and fulfill the biological and social role of who they want to be. All of this seems logical to me, I don’t see how it is subjective to want people to live their best life, or to recognize that they have the hormonal makeup of a woman, or that they want to fulfill the social role of a woman. People like Aron and Matt tend to repeat nonstop that even if their sexuality is still male/female, their gender, which is the social role, they will regard how the other person wishes, which makes sense as that specific part is definitionally subjective. All of this is to say, again, I don’t see the problem with considering trans women to be women. It is literally harmful to marginalize or treat people differently for being trans, both to them and society as a whole. Opinions like this are why some are convinced other people are biased against them, and would remove them from society if those people could.
Love Matt's speech. I too have been told I think too much when I was having discussions with a former coworker who was a preacher. I believe I won the arguments when he said that.
@@Rickswars only theists use 'came from nothing', scientists don't say that. You're only parroting what other theists have told about what scientists say. Stop it, dumb dumb.
@@Rickswarsnobody has ever claimed everything came from nothing aside from God botherers. Furthermore, the "nothing" you keep referring to doesn't exist anywhere that we know of. Rendering your "argument" asinine and foolish. Just like your beliefs.
@@viktorthevictor6240 yeah, but He'll break more than than. And dont just believe it, know it to the core..AI is just about ready to start giving orders and hand out RFIDebit chips if you wanna eat.
Major shoutout the the lady standing there passing the mic to the next person. She's being polite, correcting the mic placement, trying to get people off the mic nicely. You are awesome and keeping the ball rolling.
ARON & MATT...WHAT A GREAT TEAM TO SO COHERENTLY DEMONSTRATE THE OUTRAGEOUS NONSENSE THAT PEOPLE CONTINUE TO ACCEPT AND BELIEVE IN ! LET'S START TO GET REAL AND GET RID OF OUR DELUSIONS !
I think of God and religion as "The Thing" from the movie The Thing. It will assimilate a being when it is not paying attention and lash out when confronted.
I think of it as Venom from Spiderman, twisting morality and pretending to be virtuous and empowering when it's just parasitical and violently abusive.
I heard AronRa say once, (paraphrasing): When religion has less power, the nicer theists are. The more power religion has, the more theists become mean and hateful. When they don't have much power they are forced to be nice. - (end paraphrase). He is correct.
Wow Matt and Aron! What more is there to say but "I wish I was there", but enjoyed watching it all the Same! Life changing and very informative. Aussie Chrisso 🤠😎
First I would argue the most ridiculous thing in the bible I never read fully is where Jesus curse a fig tree cause he had no fruits to death as an analogy for ruin the old temple system by yelling at them and destroy there booths so they suprisingly got angry. The funny part: It was not even time to harvests figs what made him look like an angry kid witches around. So if the bible was gods word why does he think that kind of story was more valuable and more necessary to transmit than a few pages about math, electricity or genes?
This is probably one of the best discussions I've ever seen.. very informative. Aron and matt are an excellent tag team. Love the bits about the prophecies that Aron made because it's something that a lot of people seem to believe that garbage so heavily
I like it when Dillahunty referred to Ray Comfort as-just being really dumb, forgetting about his partner Kirk Cameron, but they are in Australia. I see Ray and Kirk as dumb and dumber.
This is so cool,,, this is probably the best speech/seminar I've ever seen. He's an amazing speaker, and an even better writer. Captivated me immediately
+demomanchaos Mine is: When I was a child, I acted like a child. But when I became a man, I put childish things aside. (this refers to the Bible itself for me)
this reminded me of a story my parents always tell about me... when i Iost my first tooth, i secretly built a trap using fishing-line and bells to alarm my pillow...the tooth was knotted inside a handkerchief and i hadn't told my parents i was doing it :) they still managed to remove the tooth without waking me though, and i kept doing it until i eventually caught them ...
@RUSSIAN ROBOT for me or them? ... not when you're 6 years old ;) I got 50p !! and proved my early skepticism valid. I stopped believing in Santa about the same time, religion a few years later, and upset a lot of my peers.
Very few people have "experienced" what you're talking about because it is a mental illness. Look up DELUSION. It's in the mental illness manual. BTW, the Russian Orthodox Church is one of the worst MANMADE institutions ever created. Absolutely evil.
Awesome debate. Great thoughts an each one was allowed to share their truth. I learned a lot from these two. Looks like 4 years ago when taped but still very relevant.
Favorite bible verse section: Leviticus 14. The all knowing god instructs Moses on how to cure leprosy with a procedure that could not possibly ever work and involves all the elements and processes of a typical witchcraft ritual. It demonstrates that no all knowing god was telling this Moses character anything of actual value, debunking the very premise of the Bible itself. A very close second is that bit about the name Amalek being blotted out from history. Dude has a wikipedia page and is mentioned in the Bible which itself ensured that name could not be blotted out from history. Possibly the dumbest thing this supposed god told anyone to ever do: Exodus 17:14 "Write this on a scroll as something to be remembered and make sure that Joshua hears it, because I will completely blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven." Epic fail. LOL
Sure. 2:258 "Bethink thee of him who had an argument with Abraham about his Lord, because Allah had given him the kingdom; how, when Abraham said: My Lord is He Who giveth life and causeth death, he answered: I give life and cause death. Abraham said: Lo! Allah causeth the sun to rise in the East, so do thou cause it to come up from the West. Thus was the disbeliever abashed. And Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk." Nope. The Sun only appears to rise in the East and set in the West due to the rotation of Earth. No god is required for that to happen. Even if a god created it all, the REASON the Sun seems to rise in the East and set in the West is NOT because a god is causing that to happen, as this verse asserts. It is an apparent motion created by the rotation of the Earth. Fail. 2:222 "They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: It is an illness, so let women alone at such times and go not in unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you. Truly Allah loveth those who turn unto Him, and loveth those who have a care for cleanness." Nope. Menstruation is not an illness. It just isn't. But this is what we expect of primitive savages - a lack of understanding of the medical necessity of this natural bodily function. Fail. And how about this logical contradiction and negation of free will: 2:10 "In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie." So... Allah INCREASES this disease? And then holds people accountable with eternal torment? This is absurdly immoral to the extent of an epic fail for a god also asserted to be relenting, merciful and benevolent.
Yatukih001 Not going to comment on 9-11. Something fishy may or may not have happened. Given the incredible stupidity and negligence of our government, I doubt a mass-conspiracy. I don't think there is enough brain-power in our collective government to pull that off. The evidence for a conspiracy is tenuous and circumstantial at best, though I still have this gut feeling that something fishy went down. I don't get the reference to the "Dawkins Delusion." What specific delusion are you asserting there? The man speaks of evolution mostly, which to me hasn't anything to do with the subject of religion. Even if evolution wasn't a demonstrable fact of reality, it wouldn't change the absence of evidence for theist/religious assertions. Even if we had no explanation for the diversity of life, we would then only have no explanation. It wouldn't make supernatural magical 'explanations' any more credible. We would still need evidence for any supernatural magical mechanism. But given the scientific method is based on methodological naturalism, I doubt any verifiable supernatural mechanism could ever be demonstrated even IF it exists. At best, we would only be able to see and confirm natural effects without any indication of the supernatural cause.
Thank you Aron & Matt for fighting the good fight for the many who can't. Shout out to Aron RA for his shoveling the shit comment referring to the fairytale about the ark. I laughed out loud, funny because it is true!
James Powers How did they get the Australian Kangaroo and the platypus and the other native animals and native insects like the Sydney funnel web spider to the middle east?
It is a "fact" that the "super continents" were millions of years before your creation myths. How does wood drift over the land? And ice in the middle east? HAHAHA Give me the peer reviewed papers to back up those claims of yours, after all you did mention the word "fact".
"Creation is a fact" Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary proof. What is your proof? "Peer review has tons of documented failures" far less failures than the bible has. Even theologians state there is NO evidence that moses existed and that he did NOT exist. "land mass and water was far different 100's of years ago" You are so WRONG! "I prefer my reasoned logical facts" is by no means fact unless it can be proved. "Corrupt, like everything else" That blanket statement INCLUDES your bible too! Thank you for admitting that. "controlled by the radical left atheist zealot ideologues that control the big banks and most of the world" WOW now you're in to the conspiracies HAHAHA get a grip man
you're baseless ramblings have proved nothing! You claim single cells cant have existed is so false since single cell exist even today. You love to throw the word "atheist" around a lot yet most scientists are god believers.
I count myself fortunate to be alive at the same time as these two down to earth (no pun intended) intellectual _giants!_ . . . . . I _sooooo_ wish (as I do not believe _''praying''_ has any effect whatsoever!) - that my two beautiful, intelligent (and estranged) sons will eventually come to know both Matt & Aron, Richard Dawkins and other clear thinking, truth-seeking and educating individuals like them, and that the boy's ''saved'' mother's influence will leave not one shred of religious impact on their young minds! . . . . . .
Learned something new: "moral obligation vs. moral virtue" - 1:23:00 Another gem: "Sophisticated theologians: the sophistication is obfuscation. That's it" - 1:56:00
We all know that we are alive on this world made of all things that exist. We also know that at one time in the past, there was no world and there was no life. That means there HAD to be an 'origin'! There is only two possible origins: 1. Whatever created this world was "intelligent" 2. Whatever created this world was "inanimate' If there is no intelligent God to create all things... Then all things HAD to create themselves! QUESTION: Did you ever see anything create itself??? But you atheists think you "mock" Christian idiocrysies and falsehoods??? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! You MUST be an idiot!!!
jim happnin Of course you are being facetious because you realize that an atheist merely finds no viable evidence for the existence of deities. The Big Bang & evolution are separate issues. Obviously you are aware that there are Christians who have no issues in believing the Big Bang & evolution are factual. Right...... 😉 LMAO 😂
@@amylucas8709 """"""""" Of course you are being facetious because you realize that an atheist merely finds no viable evidence for the existence of deities.""""""""" That is because an 'atheist' is too stupid to look for evidence! """"""""" The Big Bang & evolution are separate issues.""""""""" QUESTION: How do you figure they are separate issues? That is to say: What is your 'logic'? """"""""" Obviously you are aware that there are Christians who have no issues in believing the Big Bang & evolution are factual.""""""""" I have no interest in what other people 'believe'! Truth is not based on popular 'opinion'!! Something is either 'true' or it is 'false'. I have physical evidence that this world was created by an 'intelligent' God. QUESTION: Do you have any evidence that this world created itself??
jim happnin You can’t disprove something coming from nothing so how do you know something cannot come from nothing? You claim to have evidence so what is your evidence for a god?
@@fvcksoggydickgamez206 """"""""" You can’t disprove something coming from nothing so how do you know something cannot come from nothing?""""""""" ANSWER: Rather then looking to "disprove" something coming from nothing, I would instead concentrate on the fact that from 'nothing'... 'nothing' comes! """"""""" You claim to have evidence so what is your evidence for a god?""""""""" ANSWER: The 'bible' is evidence for the existence of God!
I wish i could meet these two men and seth andrews. I would buy a round of beers and talk to them all night...about EVERYTHING! Not only are they honest and brilliant, they are funny and witty too. would be fun to say the very least.
Go to Austin and you can easily meet Matt. I met Matt, Aron Ra and most of the Atheist Experience crew at a Texas Capitol protest against high school textbooks that were teaching religion. And there was a party at a bar afterwards and they were all very friendly and cool.
@@micahhenley589 I think you misunderstand the comment. God does not actually exist, but is a creation of the human imagination. Humans created a god in the image of the ultimate strong man to explain all the things that humans don't know. Humans usually see agency where there is none, so they assume everything was created. So they imagined a creator. And the only thing they could imagine has human like qualities. They think god gets jealous, gets angry, cares about what we do, makes codes of behavior and more. These are all human qualities.
@@micahhenley589 is man a building? Could you clarify. Edit: My poop has amazing fissure lines. Does your (or any) god displaces and makes those cracks in poop, and why is there an unpleasant smell in my poop, does you god puts that in. I, certainly do not do that. *Make sense of that and I'll give you a portion on my salary*
@@_-AB-_ Well man is a creation of God(Genesis 1:27). Sadly, we have all sinned but there is hope in His Son, Jesus Christ. "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that anyone who believes in Him shall not perish but will have eternal life." John 3:16
Remembering a religion lesson where we look up the story of the escape from egypt and finding there was a separating pillar of light blocking the pharao during night. The joke about the separation of the ocean was only ebb is old but there was also an asterisk at the sentence: translation obscure. So now I am thinking, maybe they wanted to express a dust devil spirit storm like thing and cause later it seems odd to christians they translated pillar of light.
The guy at the end who ask about punishment: I think that generally if someone did harm to you and they were unaware that what they were doing what going to have a negative effect on you, they should be educated instead of punished. However, if they had knowledge that what they were doing is bad, you need some sort of punishment, otherwise there is nothing to stop them from doing it again. That's why we have laws.
+DragonCharlz Yea, I think Daniel Dennett explains in a great way why punishment is necessary for other important things such as promises, contracts and praise.
+DragonCharlz I think if you are going to define punishment as anything which a person doesn't choose to have happen to them, then you have set up an unanswerable question. But I have an answer for the stupid twit. EVERYONE who lives in a civilized society, whether they implicitly or explicitly did so, agreed to live by that societies rules and laws, and thus accepts whatever retribution is mandated by those laws. If they disagree with them, then there is a legal avenue they can take to get it changed. Therefore it isn't punishment because they agreed to these laws. Of course such people will complain that they dont agree at all with those laws, while sitting in their arm chair, in their house which is powered by the society they say they don't agree with, while sipping their iced tea, created by the society they say they dont agree with, in the safety and comfort provided by that society they say they don't agree with, and would be the FIRST people to cry foul if someone else were to do something to them which were to break the very same laws they dont agree with. Fact is... dont like it, go live on an island and fend for yourself. But as long as you live WITHIN that society, you have agreed to everything that society contains, and thus you also agree be defacto to the rulings of the law which make you compensate the victims of the crimes you commit.
Enigmatical Jedi "I think if you are going to define punishment as anything which a person doesn't choose to have happen to them, then you have set up an unanswerable question." - In this instance, I would add the fact that it is a consequence for another action. Now... I strongly disagree with the "just leave if you don't like it" concept, mainly because of civil rights movements. Now, if you exclude those, then yeah, I agree. But they're a major exception.
DragonCharlz Of course if you want to change them then you are perfectly free to ABIDE by those laws while you use the mechanisms available to you to try and get it changed, but I was talking more about those people who live "within" a society and yet claim the laws dont apply to them because they never agreed to it, and somehow think it is acceptable for them to do whatever they want without recourse. In those circumstances, where the person is refusing to accept the law... feel free to leave the country and go live on your own under your own rules.
+DragonCharlz - Without justice people will take the law into their own hands. And I see very little justice around. So how should we deal with criminals? In the USA they just throw you jail for a long time for trivial offences, other places simply ignore the issue where you can get away with murder (NZ). You can't punish if the person doesn't accept that he or she deserves it... you might feel better, but they will only hold resentment toward you and what you represent. Prison then becomes a breeding ground for bitter and better educated criminals, in the not-getting-caught sense. Prison should only be a last resort, and even then always provide the prisoner the opportunity for redemption (to go through a difficult program of reform), and to pass each test of character. Prison is only there to protect society and rehabilitate inmates, not to punish. The attempt at redemption is their punishment, as is their refusal to participate - then they stay there until they do: There is no point in allowing someone, who has no intention to stop but desires to continually offend, their freedom. Denying their freedom is their only punishment, but it is one they are in control of. But long before we use imprisonment, there are many innovative ways to send the message. If you dump rubbish: You get put on a work detail to pickup liter, or clean up graffiti, or help animals at your local SPCA, or provide food and shelter to the hungry & homeless, or help build a house, repair a car, repay a debt, work at a hospital, or do whatever is needed to redeem the damage that was caused, 10 fold. Otherwise its prison.
Thanks Matt and AronRa - so many things articulated out loud, that I've only said in my head. Thanks for the confirmation (not that I had doubts). LOL! Matt - what you said about William Lane Craig being just a better deliverer of BS was spot on. He is not as bad as Sye Ten Bruggencate, but they both make me extremely dizzy with all those circular arguments that end up with the both of them flying up their own wahzoos!
If you want to learn with true bible scholars, check out Christine Hayes at Yale or Professor of new testament studies Dr A J Levine or Bishop John Shelby Spong. None of them are biblical literalists , but they are great teachers.
Nostradumbass (as I call him) had such crazy predictions and people have managed to fit his ravings to actual historical events through some incredible loop de loop reasoning.
7:52 A cloud of smoke by day, light of fire by night, burning bush and a godly sounding music when he got there? Sounds like Moses was following what turned out to be a grateful dead concert.
Theres not many talk video's i can sit & listen to for 2 hours or more ...but when you guys recite the facts...it makes it a lot easier...tyvm for your info & incite
Francisco Mendoza if you follow them who are decieved and in darkness are you not the more so, awaken to truth reality written pray repent before its to late, linked vids my account
And get your grammar right... preach all you want, tell your god that we are done satisfying him because if he is SO FUCKING GOOD then he wouldn't demand praise and condemn you to eternal damnation if you don't comply!
@1:12:00 No one has ever demonstrated a mechanism by which we can confirm the existence of the supernatural. And until that happens you cant confirm supernatural causation. Which means you cant begin to determine how likely it is that any single event actually has a supernatural cause. Which means you cant possibly determine that a supernatural explanation is more probable. And if we understand this, god understands this. That he hasnt addressed this, is confirmation that either he doesnt exist or doesnt want to confirm his existence. Either way, not my problem. Either way, we cannot have a justified rational belief in a god.
Hmm, to pick up on that "justice vs. revenge" question, it's kind of loaded. We're told that we're "getting justice for the victim". But if justice is not naturally forthcoming for the victim, of its own accord without any intervention, then the act of us then going to "get justice" for them - to intervene, on their behalf - would always involve causing something that would not otherwise naturally happen, to happen. It would necessarily involve compulsion against an otherwise unwilling perpetrator (if not unwilling, then they would have already offered to make recompense themselves, of their own accord, and it would not require any intervention on our part). Also, I'd say that, if you've reached this point, then you're in "curative" and not "preventative" mode. The crime has already happened. You can't take back the past. The victim has suffered and you can't remove that, because it's a state that now exists in the past and none of us has any power to alter past events. Prevention is be better than cure. There would be no victim, as there was no crime. There would be nothing needed to "take back". The perpetrator, for having chosen to avoid committing the crime, is a better person for that. So how do we bring about that prevention? Well, we can note that nearly all crimes have an economic component. Drug dealers are selling a product for money. Prostitutes are doing the same. Burglars are trying to circumvent "the money problem" by just taking what they want. The black market - that "fences" those stolen goods - is all about making money. Fraud is economic. There are, of course, non-economic crimes. Crimes of passion - a husband killing his wife and her lover in rage at her betrayal - and so forth. Plus, we can see that the crimes of a drug addict might be economic, but they're stealing in order to obtain the money to feed their habit - so that is economic but with a non-economic (rather a medical) motivation to do so. But, basically, if you wrote that big list of all crimes, then went down the list and struck out all the economic crimes, you would be removing the vast overwhelming majority of that list. It's worth noting that, if you look at the crime rates over the centuries, there has been a slow and steady decline - as the advancement of technology has brought a better quality of life to even the poorest. You'll note that it gets worse in times of economic trouble - recessions - and then improves again in times of prosperity. We also implicitly understand this correlation, even if we refuse to acknowledge it. Because let's say I can offer you the choice to live in a richer neighbourhood or a poorer neighbourhood. Note that I'm supplying absolutely no more information than that. One is richer, the other poorer. What's your choice? We already all know you said "richer". And why? Because you do understand that crime rates are higher in poor neighbourhoods. That the schools won't be as good. That, more subtly, if you petitioned the authorities to build the community a park in the richer neighbourhood than the poorer one, you'd have a damn sight better chance of succeeding - because we humans allow those in poverty to just rot (that's why you know the poor school very likely won't be as good, as the children of the poor are allowed to just rot - which is perfectly unjust, as that's very much like Biblical justice of punishing the child for the circumstances of the parent). Basically, what I'd advocating is to eliminate poverty. Yeah, I know. How the hell do we do that? That's quite a "tall order" that I'm making there. And I have no easy answers to that one, except to say that, well, we just keep striving - with science, technology and engineering, the overall humanist endeavour - to keep making the world a slightly better place and hope we'll eventually get most of the way there at some point. Or, to look at it a different way, we should be intervening to obtain justice for the victims NOW. Not later, once some crime has occurred against them, where we're left with the impossibility of "taking back" things that already happened in the past. Drug addicts need medical help. Those with mental illness need medical help. Everyone needs a reasonable prosperity across the board. We must not allow the disadvantaged to just rot in a corner, as long as "I'm alright, Jack" myself. Take away all the reasons for crime. Intervene to obtain "equal justice for all" right now, before everything goes wrong. That's really the only way it can ultimately be done.
I don't know if this quote works but I thought of it when reading this "In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him." We can only help people truly by understanding what they need, and what they lacked to get where they are. Activating, or creating a catalyst within someone can be difficult if you don't know what kind or where to put it to have the most effect, but we must then continue to seek understanding if we wish to continue trying to help that person.
Great job Aron, great job Matt, I too am reading the bible and yes by using common sense!! yes this is all man made. No Christians your not going to live forever.
0:14:55 - You ever notice that the headlines NEVER CHANGE in this part of the world? _________ You have three different Religions of Peace all following the SAME GOD of _________ Loving Forgiveness. And yet they've been at war , continuously, each since _________ their inception.
This stuff comes out out of the Christian Seminars beginning around the middle the 19th century . If you really want to learn go to a Hebrew bible class from a university . This is the best part about the Hebrew Bible. People just have the wrong idea because of the Neo-fundo-Evangelical-movement. He, Aron. just doesn't see how ignorant of the subject he is. Go to a Lutheran Presbyterian Catholic . Simplistic . Methodist church . They teach this . I began about 35 years ago . Other wise other than his lack of biblical skills i agree with him but he Referring to Christians with a broad brush maybe to keep himself from possibly self examination.s. So for Christians who have been to Modern University biblical studies classes can see how stupid he is. We have know all this for 150 years . This is one of the reasons for the big split. Many Ministered the ones with real Doctrine Degree know this but no one cares nor has the time to study it . A little test check Isiah Chapter fro vitrification of Isiah that Aron is referring to / See the *Documentary if you really care or are you troll. Hebrew bible Yale lecture 1 .Lecture 1. The Parts of the Whole - RUclips
This is the problem, most religious types won't watch it, only the hardcore types so they can come up with arguments for the already-believers. In the USA especially they use it to create an us-and-them mentality, and that "them" are seeking to take away their rights.
God does seem to have problems with iron chariots, but cut Him some slack. Iron Chariots are obviously the preserve of the Teamsters. God is all powerful, but He's not that powerful.
ok guys....neither of your statements make any sense.....god is ALL powerful....but not THAT powerful............if that is true, then i guess he is not ALL powerful.............Gakgaming----in genesis, supposedly, god created a flood that killed all but 8 people on earth....this would include infants and, yes, even fetus.....also....i am not sure where but in the buybull god commanded all 1st born males to burn through the fire.....as a sacrifice to god......so, AGAIN.......NEITHER STATEMENT HERE MAKES ANY SENSE.......
25 years ago, my daughters were itty bitty, and they had friends of the same age a few doors away. One day, the neighboring family was over for a cookout. At some point, the mother said she needed to leave for catechism classes. She was a Lutheran who was converting to Catholicism "for the childrens' sake." I asked the Dad, aren't you going too?" He said, "I dont need to go to church; I'm already Catholic!" As somebody who endured 12 years of catholic schools, I could only burst out in laughter over his honesty. Among all christians, there is nobody more ignorant of the buybull than so-called catholics.
asubjectiveopinion Perhaps do some research into who the framers were and how they identified themselves. Atheism was represented in America from the start.
What makes you think humanist societies don't promote critical thinking and the scientific method? That's specifically what it _glorifies_ because those two things have done absolute wonders for humanity as a species. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism - _"Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over acceptance of dogma or superstition."_ I think you might be confusing it for something else. What you said is nonsensical; it's like saying "Why do I not want to join an atheist society? Because I am interested in critically analyzing claims that gods exist."
the story about abraham that had to talk to god is like a bad written quest of an mmorpg... " i have to talk to you , but first , you need to kill 15 cats , 30 boars , 12 bears , and 60 birds"
On spanking/hitting a child: in overwhelmingly MOST cases, it's unnecessary; I generally reserve it for a level of reckless behavior that carries real potential of serious risk or behavior that demonstrates a degree of attitude that resembles sociopathy. Most of the time, bad behavior out of my kids gets the removal of something -- no treats, no TV, no preferred activities, etc. But I won't rule out spanking -- just haven't handed out a spanking in well over a year, maybe more.
Clyde S. Dale. So, spanking isn’t t good, but it’s necessary for important lessons? Your statement and the replies that follow are a good start but they share a fundamental flaw, your point of view. Punishment creates fear of authority. Yes, it affects the targeted behavior, but it causes unintended consequences and often fails when the authority is not present. Enrollment is a better strategy. Enroll your child in the desired behavior. Communicate why the desired behavior is important. Use the teaching moment to share your deep love for the child. Your goal is for the child to internalize proper behavior, it’s reasons and emotions. The behavior becomes part of the child’s own values and the authority does not have to be forever present. Here is an example. The oven is hot and your toddler is in the kitchen with you. You can smack her on the head whenever she gets near the oven or you can give her a hug while you extend your hand toward the oven, say hot and pull your hand away. Include all the emotion in your voice to illustrate a burn and show her by protecting her hand. Now, when she wanders near the oven don’t revert to what yer momma did and smack her on the head with the wooden spoon. Know that she’s not willfully disobeying. She just forgot. Reinforce, communicate with touch and affection. It’s to be expected that your child will test you and you will let them experience some natural consequences but usually they are excited to be living and got carried away in the moment, and you only need to remind them. The downside is that you miss out on the emotional catharsis you get from hitting your child. You can get your therapy elsewhere. Remember, you are a teacher, a guide, a loving parent. I wasn’t the best parent, but I never found it necessary to “punish” my children. My son once told me that he wanted to rebel but he just couldn’t think of anything rebellious he wanted to do. I reminded him that he had gotten a tattoo.
I have no children, but I've talked to plenty of people and here's my thought. There is no absolute solution to raise a misbehaved kid. I would reason that our psychology is complex enough that you will have to study your kid to see what works and doesn't work. We can't assume our reaction to a punishment will be the same for our children. I know I would like an easy go to for keeping my (future) child behaved, but you cannot simply imitate being a parent, you must be a parent, which may be like imitation until you make it your own.
The part where Matt said that God just wanted us to trust his plan without telling us the plan reminds me of Dutch on rdr2 , he always said they had to follow the plan, but never explained the plan , and just strung people along , causing people to get hurt or die along the way.
1:27:11 Omg i've been saying this for years growing up as a catholic...how can you call the bible the "source of truth" if there are multiple different sects of Christianity because they cannot agree on what the "truth" is.
we should require people of all faiths to attend secular school, and these would be the accredited schools, if you wish to attend a religious school it should be in addition to the secular schools. there should be no teaching of religion in secular schools, save for studies of the bible as literature or comparative religions studies only. any studies of creationism should be the Provence of religious schools only. religious holidays of any kind should not be celebrated in secular school, that is the Provence of the family
2 of my 3 favourite living atheists. The other being Richard Dawkins. Matt has the intellect edge, but I like Aron more and he is also very intelligent. I don't share their political and lefty views though. I would still love to have a few beers with Aron. I know this will never happen unfortunately.
I discovered you (AaronRa) just yesterday and today I already put you among people like Matt Dillahunty, Rationally Rules, Holy Koolaid, Genetically modified sceptic, and you climbing the ladder quickly. You truly have brilliant mind, I regret discovering you so late!
@@Vedioviswritingservice it's funny how the religious project their behavior on to others. Just because he is someone this person listens to and agrees with does not make him their "high priest". I love how believers lash out at those who challenge their faith.
The " Where do you get your morals " argument is so dumb & irritating. Americans need to do more to call out religious leaders, that they're being unconstitutional when they implement laws based on their religion. Makes me wanna vomit. Morals are innate & evolved within us for obvious reasons.
I always love listening to Aron Ra because he is so well grounded in the history surrounding the Bible and he is not afraid to point out the fallacies.
I find it striking that proof exists about Jesus from unbiased sources outside of the Bible. Some of these writers have provided direct evidence of Christians, while others have provided indirect evidence of the existence of Jesus and of His crucifixion. The writings of these writers offer a peek into the current events taking place from the late first century to the late second century. I find difficulty in downplaying or explaining away these writer's writings on the account of the prestige and social position they held, and the disdain illustrated in some of their writing. I only provided writing for four writers and the remaining five writers are included in my table chart located on my channel.
Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus, Phlegon, Thallus, Julius Africanus, Flavius Josephus
Tacitus, The Greatest Roman historian and senator
Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.
He then describes the torture of Christians:
Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man’s cruelty, that they were being destroyed.
Mara Bar-Serapion,
He was a Syrian philosopher, who wrote a letter to his son sometime after AD 73. There is only one manuscript of his letter in existence and preserved in the British Museum.
"What advantage did the Athenians gain from putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as a judgment for their crime. What advantage did the men of Samos gain from burning Pythagoras? In a moment their land was covered with sand. What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise King? It was just after that that their kingdom was abolished. God justly avenged these three wise men: the Athenians died of hunger; the Samians were overwhelmed by the sea; the Jews, ruined and driven from their land, live in complete dispersion. But Socrates did not die for good; he lived on in the statue of Hera. Nor did the wise King die for good; he lived on in the teaching which he had given."
Lucian,
"The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day-the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account. … You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains their contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property."
Pliny the Younger,
Is another valuable historical source for information on Jesus and the early Church. Pliny was the governor of the Roman province of Bithynia, located in Asia Minor. In the year 112 AD, he wrote to the Emperor Trajan, asking how he should deal with those in his region who have been accused of being Christians.
In the letter, Pliny describes the practices of these “criminals”:
“They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food-but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.”
If u knew the Bible then u would know how intellectually dishonest he is. He mis-quotes,or takes out of context a lot of the Bible to push his atheist agenda.
@@justinmoock7506ok then name one thing he lied about
What is the atheist agenda? Lol atheism is the disbelief in gods due to the overwhelming lack of EVIDENCE. Provide proper evidence, and atheists wouldn't exist. @@justinmoock7506
I think Americans give us Europeans far too much credit. There are plenty of idiots over here too. Obviously not me, I'm well clever and also incredibly modest about it.
Woltato , I see what you did there. ;)
I am modestly more modest than you are!
I think Brexit and the rise of the far right in Europe have disabused anyone of the notion that Europeans are more sophisticated thinkers.
sham421 Not sure what Brexit has to do with anything.
Really? You don’t see Brexit as a result of the rise of nationalist ideology?
Because Russia sure did.
These two gentleman deserve a standing ovation for this discussion. I havent been this pleased since the four horseman were together.
Stephan Sinyard they brought the fire hey! how good was it!
The need for answers is the sign of a feeble mind.
@James Powers Atheism doesn't seek to provide any answers in itself. Other things, like science, are in charge of that. Atheism in itself is just a lack of belief in gods because of a lack of evidence for said deities. Religion tries to give answers, and fails tremendously at proving them to be true.
@DrJames Powers first prove this soul or even yr god myth otherwise you just sound ridiculous!
@DrJames Powers so no actual proof of this magic sky bloke then, okay
I'm repeatedly blown away by Matt's abilities as a public speaker and advocate for atheism and humanism.
David Hernston he has lots of practice of on the fly reasoning with the show callers 😅
James Powers Your folk don’t seem to have any answers either. Look at who you supported for President. Trump has no moral compass and lacks empathy. Don’t come here to preach as if you’re on a moral high ground. You aren’t.
Matt who
@DrJames Powers moron
@DrJames Powers moron so dumb you cant see
Matt Dillahunty's talk starts at 34:50.
Q&A: 1:19:40
UTU49 thank you!
Aron Ra, all day.
A modified ( Dirty Harry ) quote. " This is a bible, the most powerful handbook in the world, and if used properly, it can cause atheism. " I am no longer bound by (ANY) religion.
"You've got to ask yourself one question:
'Do I feel lucky?'
Well, do ya? ... Monk?"
Yep ..... Green Eggs and Ham makes more sense!
ATH-3157 the place
whynottalklikeapirat I
Yeah, this life is just for preachers.
Big houses, big cars and big lies!
what makes me laugh is how mankind is the writer of his own oppression...how man has a hand in his own destruction.
mr bumble. Tell me about it. When I want meat I have to convince myself it's okay, and then I don't have to feel guilty about the delicious taste. Destructive human habits are like inculcation on the mass scale, just look at Tyson.
True, yet it was a successful way to get wealthy and powerful for the writer
Yep, we're all just children of chaos, yet theologists still refuse to believe our lives and universe came to be through circumstance, rather than design. So fascinating. Such romantics. It would almost be endearing if it weren't for the fact that they actively attempt to pass laws based on their dusty ol' novel to affect and control us. What a buzz kill.
Yeah its an irony of intelligence, other animals get along just fine.
I think we need to reach a higher level of intelligence to get past this irony.
It’s not a laughing matter it’s a sad reality
Wow. Dillahunty's speech, beginning at approximately 30 min., is practically good enough as to be worthy of memorization. The guy's a genius, I think -- has a very special knack for distilling big, complex ideas into plain-language nuggets. I hope he's writing books.
James Powers and neither do you.
@James Powers we don't know isn't the same as we have no fucking clue. Our proverbial cup runs over with new questions to which we attempt to answer with testable possiblities daily. Meanwhile, your singular answer hasn't changed in over 2000 years and contributed fuck all to overall knowledge. In fact, it should go down in history as what not to do before we pay it any creedance, just below the "fuck this shit: INCINERATE" pile.
@James Powers there is nothing wrong with not knowing lol... your such a pathetic piece of shit that you cannot see something so simple...
Science is built on the best available data which gets updated with evidence...
Religion has no evidence and is built on crazy lunatics...
And I do know what happens when I die... I become nothing, my brain stops getting oxygen all my thinking feeling and everything I am mentally is gone into nothingness and the energy is transfered and spread back into the universe... my body also will eventually become nothing as the energy transfers from it to nature...
Not knowing is better than knowing something that's incorrect ... fucken brain dead morons like you think that knowing the wrong thing is better than not knowing but guess what that just proves your an egotistical jackass who needs to feel important and special when in reality your one of the stupidest people born...
Even though he doesn't have a formal education.. Believes everything he reads except the Bible
Yeah it amazes me that he was a christian, his level of rational thought is very high.
I love both of these men. Thank you guys for being the voice of reason and logic in a crazy religious world.
This was the best night! Both gave fantastic talks which is hard to find in Perth
I had no idea these two got together. I wish I was as interested in this age old debate in 2015 as I am now. I would have loved to have been in the audience. Thank the Gods for RUclips haha
Everytime I listen to these guys they never fail to add to my already almost full list of how religion is bad/evil :)
Yes! Same
Yes but his dumb arse comments about vaccines (Covid mRNA) and the atheist experience use of pro nouns is laughable.
Tragic that today BOTH these guys have ABANDONED caring about truth, and have both accepted beliefs, justified by 100% identical standard of evidence, AND by SPECIFIC evidence (or absence there-of) 100% identical, to that of Christianity, Islam, Scientology etc.
They (justifiably... back before they became blatnant hypocrites, at least) criticize Christians and other religions, for accepting beliefs, despite total absence of empirical evidence, and for defining "truth", justified ONLY by a (totally subjective, unfalsifiable, non-empirical) standard of evidence that "but it FEEELS true, to me..."
Yet TODAY, both Dillahunty and Ra hold a 100% faith-based belief that "trans-women ARE women"... despite a total absence of empirical of empirical evidence (in fact, EVERY SHRED of empirical evidence says the exact opposite; That defintionally, EVERY SINGLE """trans-woman""" is objectively an evidence-based MAN...) And that belief is justified ONLY by a totally subjective, unfalsifiable, non-empirical standard of evidence of "but... but it FEEELS true, to me!!!"
And like every other religion, they don't even TRY to rationally defend these beliefs, based on VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE (like they demand for every religion... EXCEPT their own...)
They just accuse non-believers of being evil, hateful sinners (or "hateful transphobes", in their own religious jargon. But the MEANING is exactly the same- "Sinner"/"transphobe" BOTH mean "anyone who rejects my 100% evidence-free, faith-based beliefs")
It’s called:
Deep State Employees
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DUH
@@baconsarny-geddon8298a woman is somebody with certain physical characteristics. Such as breasts. It also includes a lot of socially typical characteristics such as long hair, certain clothes, etc. A trans woman fills most of these characteristics. This is because they have the hormonal makeup of a woman due to pills, which changes their body’s biology. The reason they do this is because they experience gender dysphoria. Cisgender people also experience gender dysphoria, in cases such as if a medication has a side effect altering their hormones. Thus, both cisgender and trans people take these pills in order to relieve gender dysphoria and fulfill the biological and social role of who they want to be. All of this seems logical to me, I don’t see how it is subjective to want people to live their best life, or to recognize that they have the hormonal makeup of a woman, or that they want to fulfill the social role of a woman. People like Aron and Matt tend to repeat nonstop that even if their sexuality is still male/female, their gender, which is the social role, they will regard how the other person wishes, which makes sense as that specific part is definitionally subjective.
All of this is to say, again, I don’t see the problem with considering trans women to be women. It is literally harmful to marginalize or treat people differently for being trans, both to them and society as a whole. Opinions like this are why some are convinced other people are biased against them, and would remove them from society if those people could.
Love Matt's speech. I too have been told I think too much when I was having discussions with a former coworker who was a preacher. I believe I won the arguments when he said that.
The big bang is magic too. They took it further when they said the "universe" came from nothing, wow they pulled that straight out of the magic hat!!
@@Rickswars only theists use 'came from nothing', scientists don't say that. You're only parroting what other theists have told about what scientists say. Stop it, dumb dumb.
@@Rickswarsnobody has ever claimed everything came from nothing aside from God botherers. Furthermore, the "nothing" you keep referring to doesn't exist anywhere that we know of. Rendering your "argument" asinine and foolish. Just like your beliefs.
46:20
"Everytime humanity is about to evolve, God throws a stone at it"
- Ultron
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You're gonna break you're old man's heart
@@viktorthevictor6240 yeah, but He'll break more than than. And dont just believe it, know it to the core..AI is just about ready to start giving orders and hand out RFIDebit chips if you wanna eat.
Major shoutout the the lady standing there passing the mic to the next person. She's being polite, correcting the mic placement, trying to get people off the mic nicely. You are awesome and keeping the ball rolling.
I suspect that's Mrs Ra ?
Noo I'm not Mrs Ra. I'm married to Luke, we organised the trip for Matt, Aron and Lilandra ❤
And thankyou so much, it was so nerve wracking lol
@@lilleeshy666 The organising or the being mistaken for being Mrs Ra ?
@@PirateCommander Two years late, but I think she meant the mic-holding. 😂
I've watched Matt for years,and must say this is such a great "Talk" with people. His formation into what he is today is remarkable. Brilliant.
ARON & MATT...WHAT A GREAT TEAM TO SO COHERENTLY DEMONSTRATE THE OUTRAGEOUS NONSENSE THAT PEOPLE CONTINUE TO ACCEPT AND BELIEVE IN ! LET'S START TO GET REAL AND GET RID OF OUR DELUSIONS !
I agree with you but theists will think atheists are loud and obnoxious when they see your comment, calm tf down
This was fabulous! Definitely will listen to this a few more times.
Then here's a reminder :p It might have been a while :)
I think of God and religion as "The Thing" from the movie The Thing. It will assimilate a being when it is not paying attention and lash out when confronted.
I think of it as Venom from Spiderman, twisting morality and pretending to be virtuous and empowering when it's just parasitical and violently abusive.
It makes God nations dictatorships
I see it as a faux security blanket for some and lucrative for others .
I see him as a man who pretends to be drunk and uses his intelligence to control has his own gang of drunk people do his bidding
I heard AronRa say once, (paraphrasing): When religion has less power, the nicer theists are. The more power religion has, the more theists become mean and hateful. When they don't have much power they are forced to be nice. - (end paraphrase). He is correct.
The best part, for me, was the Question and Answer session at the end. Good stuff. I wish that could have continued.
I just want to say that I am so impressed with Aron Ra's knowledge and intellect after having a poor education as a kid. Remarkable.
Wow Matt and Aron!
What more is there to say but "I wish I was there", but enjoyed watching it all the Same! Life changing and very informative.
Aussie Chrisso 🤠😎
First I would argue the most ridiculous thing in the bible I never read fully is where Jesus curse a fig tree cause he had no fruits to death as an analogy for ruin the old temple system by yelling at them and destroy there booths so they suprisingly got angry.
The funny part: It was not even time to harvests figs what made him look like an angry kid witches around.
So if the bible was gods word why does he think that kind of story was more valuable and more necessary to transmit than a few pages about math, electricity or genes?
This is probably one of the best discussions I've ever seen.. very informative. Aron and matt are an excellent tag team. Love the bits about the prophecies that Aron made because it's something that a lot of people seem to believe that garbage so heavily
I like it when Dillahunty referred to Ray Comfort as-just being really dumb, forgetting about his partner Kirk Cameron, but they are in Australia. I see Ray and Kirk as dumb and dumber.
Neil Reinhardt-------notice whiteliketar ran
so where are the giants at....and the serpents that talk....????
Lmmfao!!!👍👍👍😝😂
Neil Reinhardt I assume, by affirmation of your reasoning, that you were programmed to believe what you believe, as well?
"Austria?! Well! G'day mate! Let's put anotha shrimp on the bar-b!!!"
"Pick me up to your level or piss off" I gotta get that on a tee shirt! Good one Matt.
These guys are such great speakers. Very informative with a bit of humour here and there. I enjoyed this alot thank you
This is so cool,,, this is probably the best speech/seminar I've ever seen. He's an amazing speaker, and an even better writer. Captivated me immediately
My favorite bible verse is when god tells someone to cook with human feces in Ezekiel.
+demomanchaos Mine is: When I was a child, I acted like a child.
But when I became a man, I put childish things aside.
(this refers to the Bible itself for me)
+demomanchaos
I guess it adds that certain something to a dish...
Maybe dogs are onto something?
Christopher Adams
Fo' shizzle, my nizzle!
+Christopher Adams take that gordon ramsey.
+VideoAudioDisco09 Thats because Jesus i I AM! God.
Amazing how two people of such diverse hairitage can get along so well
William Estes why is that amazing?
Jonathon Boon "hair-itage" their ideas are so similar but their heads are so different
William Estes ah yes I see now I feel foolish
Jonathon Boon Don't worry... Judging by the lack of thumbs up it wasn't that great a joke anyway :P
@@DarthCalculus
LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Matt and Aron are two giants of rational thought! What a lucky audience.
@J Oak what about me?
Rational thought they have become wise in their own mind they are fools
darin romano Woah, look who's talking.
@@sylicone6952 Yes but I'm not the one who was suffering from God Derangement syndrome
Why are all the giants of rational thought glutinous man bears...
this reminded me of a story my parents always tell about me... when i Iost my first tooth, i secretly built a trap using fishing-line and bells to alarm my pillow...the tooth was knotted inside a handkerchief and i hadn't told my parents i was doing it :)
they still managed to remove the tooth without waking me though, and i kept doing it until i eventually caught them ...
@RUSSIAN ROBOT for me or them?
... not when you're 6 years old ;) I got 50p !! and proved my early skepticism valid. I stopped believing in Santa about the same time, religion a few years later, and upset a lot of my peers.
Very few people have "experienced" what you're talking about because it is a mental illness. Look up DELUSION. It's in the mental illness manual. BTW, the Russian Orthodox Church is one of the worst MANMADE institutions ever created. Absolutely evil.
I love listening to Matt Dillahunty and Aron Ra separately, but even more when they are together. They're so BOSS.
Awesome debate. Great thoughts an each one was allowed to share their truth. I learned a lot from these two. Looks like 4 years ago when taped but still very relevant.
Favorite bible verse section: Leviticus 14. The all knowing god instructs Moses on how to cure leprosy with a procedure that could not possibly ever work and involves all the elements and processes of a typical witchcraft ritual. It demonstrates that no all knowing god was telling this Moses character anything of actual value, debunking the very premise of the Bible itself.
A very close second is that bit about the name Amalek being blotted out from history. Dude has a wikipedia page and is mentioned in the Bible which itself ensured that name could not be blotted out from history. Possibly the dumbest thing this supposed god told anyone to ever do: Exodus 17:14 "Write this on a scroll as something to be remembered and make sure that Joshua hears it, because I will completely blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven." Epic fail. LOL
Now, show us an epic fail from the Qu aran too.
Sure. 2:258 "Bethink thee of him who had an argument with Abraham about his Lord, because Allah had given him the kingdom; how, when Abraham said: My Lord is He Who giveth life and causeth death, he answered: I give life and cause death. Abraham said: Lo! Allah causeth the sun to rise in the East, so do thou cause it to come up from the West. Thus was the disbeliever abashed. And Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk."
Nope. The Sun only appears to rise in the East and set in the West due to the rotation of Earth. No god is required for that to happen. Even if a god created it all, the REASON the Sun seems to rise in the East and set in the West is NOT because a god is causing that to happen, as this verse asserts. It is an apparent motion created by the rotation of the Earth. Fail.
2:222 "They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: It is an illness, so let women alone at such times and go not in unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you. Truly Allah loveth those who turn unto Him, and loveth those who have a care for cleanness."
Nope. Menstruation is not an illness. It just isn't. But this is what we expect of primitive savages - a lack of understanding of the medical necessity of this natural bodily function. Fail.
And how about this logical contradiction and negation of free will:
2:10 "In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie."
So... Allah INCREASES this disease? And then holds people accountable with eternal torment? This is absurdly immoral to the extent of an epic fail for a god also asserted to be relenting, merciful and benevolent.
Lol!
And now, the 9 - 11 Commission Report and the Dawkins Delusion. Gotta keep them coming!! Thanks for the quotes man!!!!
Yatukih001 Not going to comment on 9-11. Something fishy may or may not have happened. Given the incredible stupidity and negligence of our government, I doubt a mass-conspiracy. I don't think there is enough brain-power in our collective government to pull that off. The evidence for a conspiracy is tenuous and circumstantial at best, though I still have this gut feeling that something fishy went down.
I don't get the reference to the "Dawkins Delusion." What specific delusion are you asserting there? The man speaks of evolution mostly, which to me hasn't anything to do with the subject of religion.
Even if evolution wasn't a demonstrable fact of reality, it wouldn't change the absence of evidence for theist/religious assertions. Even if we had no explanation for the diversity of life, we would then only have no explanation. It wouldn't make supernatural magical 'explanations' any more credible. We would still need evidence for any supernatural magical mechanism.
But given the scientific method is based on methodological naturalism, I doubt any verifiable supernatural mechanism could ever be demonstrated even IF it exists. At best, we would only be able to see and confirm natural effects without any indication of the supernatural cause.
Thank you Aron & Matt for fighting the good fight for the many who can't. Shout out to Aron RA for his shoveling the shit comment referring to the fairytale about the ark. I laughed out loud, funny because it is true!
James Powers
How did they get the Australian Kangaroo and the platypus and the other native animals and native insects like the Sydney funnel web spider to the middle east?
So you want me to believe that the platypus and spiders walked that great distance?
That is just as impossible as the connected land masses.
It is a "fact" that the "super continents" were millions of years before your creation myths. How does wood drift over the land? And ice in the middle east? HAHAHA
Give me the peer reviewed papers to back up those claims of yours, after all you did mention the word "fact".
"Creation is a fact" Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary proof. What is your proof? "Peer review has tons of documented failures" far less failures than the bible has. Even theologians state there is NO evidence that moses existed and that he did NOT exist. "land mass and water was far different 100's of years ago" You are so WRONG! "I prefer my reasoned logical facts" is by no means fact unless it can be proved. "Corrupt, like everything else" That blanket statement INCLUDES your bible too! Thank you for admitting that. "controlled by the radical left atheist zealot ideologues that control the big banks and most of the world" WOW now you're in to the conspiracies HAHAHA get a grip man
you're baseless ramblings have proved nothing! You claim single cells cant have existed is so false since single cell exist even today. You love to throw the word "atheist" around a lot yet most scientists are god believers.
I count myself fortunate to be alive at the same time as these two down to earth (no pun intended) intellectual _giants!_ . . . . .
I _sooooo_ wish (as I do not believe _''praying''_ has any effect whatsoever!) - that my two beautiful, intelligent (and estranged) sons will eventually come to know both Matt & Aron, Richard Dawkins and other clear thinking, truth-seeking and educating individuals like them, and that the boy's ''saved'' mother's influence will leave not one shred of religious impact on their young minds! . . . . . .
I feel for you friend.
Learned something new: "moral obligation vs. moral virtue" - 1:23:00
Another gem: "Sophisticated theologians: the sophistication is obfuscation. That's it" - 1:56:00
I thought that deserved a hell of a round of applause.
Trust Matt to have such a succinct summation of theologian tactics.
Us atheists love you Christians in the comments.......
Only to mock your idiocrysies and falsehoods of course.
We all know that we are alive on this world made of all things that exist.
We also know that at one time in the past, there was no world and there was no life.
That means there HAD to be an 'origin'!
There is only two possible origins:
1. Whatever created this world was "intelligent"
2. Whatever created this world was "inanimate'
If there is no intelligent God to create all things...
Then all things HAD to create themselves!
QUESTION: Did you ever see anything create itself???
But you atheists think you "mock" Christian idiocrysies and falsehoods???
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
You MUST be an idiot!!!
jim happnin
Of course you are being facetious because you realize that an atheist merely finds no viable evidence for the existence of deities.
The Big Bang & evolution are separate issues. Obviously you are aware that there are Christians who have no issues in believing the Big Bang & evolution are factual.
Right...... 😉
LMAO 😂
@@amylucas8709
""""""""" Of course you are being facetious because you realize that an atheist merely finds no viable evidence for the existence of deities."""""""""
That is because an 'atheist' is too stupid to look for evidence!
""""""""" The Big Bang & evolution are separate issues."""""""""
QUESTION: How do you figure they are separate issues? That is to say: What is your 'logic'?
""""""""" Obviously you are aware that there are Christians who have no issues in believing the Big Bang & evolution are factual."""""""""
I have no interest in what other people 'believe'! Truth is not based on popular 'opinion'!! Something is either 'true' or it is 'false'. I have physical evidence that this world was created by an 'intelligent' God.
QUESTION: Do you have any evidence that this world created itself??
jim happnin You can’t disprove something coming from nothing so how do you know something cannot come from nothing? You claim to have evidence so what is your evidence for a god?
@@fvcksoggydickgamez206
""""""""" You can’t disprove something coming from nothing so how do you know something cannot come from nothing?"""""""""
ANSWER: Rather then looking to "disprove" something coming from nothing, I would instead concentrate on the fact that from 'nothing'... 'nothing' comes!
""""""""" You claim to have evidence so what is your evidence for a god?"""""""""
ANSWER: The 'bible' is evidence for the existence of God!
Really great video. Thanks for sharing it.
I wish i could meet these two men and seth andrews. I would buy a round of beers and talk to them all night...about EVERYTHING! Not only are they honest and brilliant, they are funny and witty too. would be fun to say the very least.
add hitchens in there and even though i dont drink i would join you for a few hahahaha
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I'd be great to hang out with Aron for a day. I live in a world of conservative, Faux News, Trumpers and I have no close friends. It's depressing.
Go to Austin and you can easily meet Matt. I met Matt, Aron Ra and most of the Atheist Experience crew at a Texas Capitol protest against high school textbooks that were teaching religion. And there was a party at a bar afterwards and they were all very friendly and cool.
I would too but I would feel like an idiot
Man created god in HIS own image!
The building does not create the builder. The builder creates the building.
@@micahhenley589 I think you misunderstand the comment. God does not actually exist, but is a creation of the human imagination. Humans created a god in the image of the ultimate strong man to explain all the things that humans don't know. Humans usually see agency where there is none, so they assume everything was created. So they imagined a creator. And the only thing they could imagine has human like qualities. They think god gets jealous, gets angry, cares about what we do, makes codes of behavior and more. These are all human qualities.
@@micahhenley589 is man a building? Could you clarify.
Edit: My poop has amazing fissure lines. Does your (or any) god displaces and makes those cracks in poop, and why is there an unpleasant smell in my poop, does you god puts that in. I, certainly do not do that.
*Make sense of that and I'll give you a portion on my salary*
Maybe man created image of god in his own image.
Edit: maybe there is a deity, but *none* of current attributions/definitions could possibly be true.
@@_-AB-_ Well man is a creation of God(Genesis 1:27). Sadly, we have all sinned but there is hope in His Son, Jesus Christ.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that anyone who believes in Him shall not perish but will have eternal life." John 3:16
I always learn knew things listening to you guys. Love you and thanks for what you do.
yeah, but false information
Imaginatelo I wonder what's your "true" information.
I like this older and more mature Jack Sparrow
whynottalklikeapirat and sober
Yeah he seems to have cleaned up his act some
@@whynottalklikeapirat Sober ? Have you ever seen his live streams . Beer is ubiquitous (sp) .
@@georgeelmerdenbrough6906 Yeah. He seems to have cleaned up his act some =.O
@@whynottalklikeapirat Well , nothing wrong with some suds on a Saturday evening ...
Aron Ra slays as usual!
Remembering a religion lesson where we look up the story of the escape from egypt and finding there was a separating pillar of light blocking the pharao during night.
The joke about the separation of the ocean was only ebb is old but there was also an asterisk at the sentence: translation obscure. So now I am thinking, maybe they wanted to express a dust devil spirit storm like thing and cause later it seems odd to christians they translated pillar of light.
Aron Ra slays himself as usual.
Fixed it for ya @spaceghost8995
Cope @@robertgroen2197
@@robertgroen2197wow you really got him Robert
The guy at the end who ask about punishment: I think that generally if someone did harm to you and they were unaware that what they were doing what going to have a negative effect on you, they should be educated instead of punished. However, if they had knowledge that what they were doing is bad, you need some sort of punishment, otherwise there is nothing to stop them from doing it again. That's why we have laws.
+DragonCharlz
Yea, I think Daniel Dennett explains in a great way why punishment is necessary for other important things such as promises, contracts and praise.
+DragonCharlz I think if you are going to define punishment as anything which a person doesn't choose to have happen to them, then you have set up an unanswerable question.
But I have an answer for the stupid twit. EVERYONE who lives in a civilized society, whether they implicitly or explicitly did so, agreed to live by that societies rules and laws, and thus accepts whatever retribution is mandated by those laws. If they disagree with them, then there is a legal avenue they can take to get it changed. Therefore it isn't punishment because they agreed to these laws.
Of course such people will complain that they dont agree at all with those laws, while sitting in their arm chair, in their house which is powered by the society they say they don't agree with, while sipping their iced tea, created by the society they say they dont agree with, in the safety and comfort provided by that society they say they don't agree with, and would be the FIRST people to cry foul if someone else were to do something to them which were to break the very same laws they dont agree with.
Fact is... dont like it, go live on an island and fend for yourself. But as long as you live WITHIN that society, you have agreed to everything that society contains, and thus you also agree be defacto to the rulings of the law which make you compensate the victims of the crimes you commit.
Enigmatical Jedi "I think if you are going to define punishment as anything which a person doesn't choose to have happen to them, then you have set up an unanswerable question." - In this instance, I would add the fact that it is a consequence for another action.
Now... I strongly disagree with the "just leave if you don't like it" concept, mainly because of civil rights movements. Now, if you exclude those, then yeah, I agree. But they're a major exception.
DragonCharlz Of course if you want to change them then you are perfectly free to ABIDE by those laws while you use the mechanisms available to you to try and get it changed, but I was talking more about those people who live "within" a society and yet claim the laws dont apply to them because they never agreed to it, and somehow think it is acceptable for them to do whatever they want without recourse.
In those circumstances, where the person is refusing to accept the law... feel free to leave the country and go live on your own under your own rules.
+DragonCharlz - Without justice people will take the law into their own hands. And I see very little justice around.
So how should we deal with criminals?
In the USA they just throw you jail for a long time for trivial offences, other places simply ignore the issue where you can get away with murder (NZ).
You can't punish if the person doesn't accept that he or she deserves it... you might feel better, but they will only hold resentment toward you and what you represent. Prison then becomes a breeding ground for bitter and better educated criminals, in the not-getting-caught sense.
Prison should only be a last resort, and even then always provide the prisoner the opportunity for redemption (to go through a difficult program of reform), and to pass each test of character. Prison is only there to protect society and rehabilitate inmates, not to punish. The attempt at redemption is their punishment, as is their refusal to participate - then they stay there until they do: There is no point in allowing someone, who has no intention to stop but desires to continually offend, their freedom. Denying their freedom is their only punishment, but it is one they are in control of.
But long before we use imprisonment, there are many innovative ways to send the message. If you dump rubbish: You get put on a work detail to pickup liter, or clean up graffiti, or help animals at your local SPCA, or provide food and shelter to the hungry & homeless, or help build a house, repair a car, repay a debt, work at a hospital, or do whatever is needed to redeem the damage that was caused, 10 fold.
Otherwise its prison.
1:25:08 - Go Aron, you go brother. Never stop my friend, never...
answers in genesis?What album?
Exactly
No this is Patrick Is this Patrick?
Hast thou not read the book of Abacab?
Marco Robbesom. 3 sides live 🤘
I see what you did there...
this single vid was the reason i first began to doubt my faith, been atheist for 3 years now
Thanks Matt and AronRa - so many things articulated out loud, that I've only said in my head. Thanks for the confirmation (not that I had doubts). LOL! Matt - what you said about William Lane Craig being just a better deliverer of BS was spot on. He is not as bad as Sye Ten Bruggencate, but they both make me extremely dizzy with all those circular arguments that end up with the both of them flying up their own wahzoos!
If you want to learn with true bible scholars, check out Christine Hayes at Yale
or Professor of new testament studies Dr A J Levine or Bishop John Shelby Spong. None of them are biblical literalists , but they are great teachers.
It's hilarious how God haters spend their lives opining over the Bible.
TrustInJesus111 check out my youtube
TrustInJesus111 The Bible is sharper than a double edged sword
More like a dull butter knife.
I could listen to Aron talk forever. That would be like Heaven, ironically.
i trust male feminists less than i do with female feminists
*MadScientist,* Are you a bot? Your comments on this video seem entirely random and devoid of any legitimate points.
Mad Scientist nobody gives a rat's ass who you trust.
Aron Ra is a Eunuch too? I didn't know that.
Cloe Jarozenski
You're a beauty❤
The twin titans ( Matt and Aron) of atheism....you guys rock!!
Nostradumbass (as I call him) had such crazy predictions and people have managed to fit his ravings to actual historical events through some incredible loop de loop reasoning.
In his defense, he was also an allegedly skilled physician for his time.
7:52 A cloud of smoke by day, light of fire by night, burning bush and a godly sounding music when he got there? Sounds like Moses was following what turned out to be a grateful dead concert.
Theres not many talk video's i can sit & listen to for 2 hours or more ...but when you guys recite the facts...it makes it a lot easier...tyvm for your info & incite
I love these two high priests of reason♥♥
Francisco Mendoza if you follow them who are decieved and in darkness are you not the more so, awaken to truth reality written pray repent before its to late, linked vids my account
And get your grammar right... preach all you want, tell your god that we are done satisfying him because if he is SO FUCKING GOOD then he wouldn't demand praise and condemn you to eternal damnation if you don't comply!
ruclips.net/video/ChWiZ3iXWwM/видео.html
Aron's the first American I've ever heard pronounce 'Brisbane' correctly.
I wish i run into this video 7 years ago
I'm disappointed that the third member of this atheist godhead, Seth Andrews didn't get to speak (on this video) in Perth.
Aron does a GREAT impression (voice-wise) of Kent Hovind. LOL! He should do it more often.
@1:12:00 No one has ever demonstrated a mechanism by which we can confirm the existence of the supernatural. And until that happens you cant confirm supernatural causation. Which means you cant begin to determine how likely it is that any single event actually has a supernatural cause. Which means you cant possibly determine that a supernatural explanation is more probable. And if we understand this, god understands this. That he hasnt addressed this, is confirmation that either he doesnt exist or doesnt want to confirm his existence. Either way, not my problem. Either way, we cannot have a justified rational belief in a god.
How am I just learning about this lecture?!!
Love Aron’s voice and his hair.
I think he sounds like Johnny cash. He said that he uses horse shampoo for his lustrous hair.
Great stuff. Please keep it coming.
Two brilliant guys. Always interesting.
Hmm, to pick up on that "justice vs. revenge" question, it's kind of loaded.
We're told that we're "getting justice for the victim".
But if justice is not naturally forthcoming for the victim, of its own accord without any intervention, then the act of us then going to "get justice" for them - to intervene, on their behalf - would always involve causing something that would not otherwise naturally happen, to happen. It would necessarily involve compulsion against an otherwise unwilling perpetrator (if not unwilling, then they would have already offered to make recompense themselves, of their own accord, and it would not require any intervention on our part).
Also, I'd say that, if you've reached this point, then you're in "curative" and not "preventative" mode.
The crime has already happened. You can't take back the past. The victim has suffered and you can't remove that, because it's a state that now exists in the past and none of us has any power to alter past events.
Prevention is be better than cure. There would be no victim, as there was no crime. There would be nothing needed to "take back". The perpetrator, for having chosen to avoid committing the crime, is a better person for that.
So how do we bring about that prevention?
Well, we can note that nearly all crimes have an economic component. Drug dealers are selling a product for money. Prostitutes are doing the same. Burglars are trying to circumvent "the money problem" by just taking what they want. The black market - that "fences" those stolen goods - is all about making money. Fraud is economic.
There are, of course, non-economic crimes. Crimes of passion - a husband killing his wife and her lover in rage at her betrayal - and so forth. Plus, we can see that the crimes of a drug addict might be economic, but they're stealing in order to obtain the money to feed their habit - so that is economic but with a non-economic (rather a medical) motivation to do so.
But, basically, if you wrote that big list of all crimes, then went down the list and struck out all the economic crimes, you would be removing the vast overwhelming majority of that list.
It's worth noting that, if you look at the crime rates over the centuries, there has been a slow and steady decline - as the advancement of technology has brought a better quality of life to even the poorest. You'll note that it gets worse in times of economic trouble - recessions - and then improves again in times of prosperity.
We also implicitly understand this correlation, even if we refuse to acknowledge it. Because let's say I can offer you the choice to live in a richer neighbourhood or a poorer neighbourhood. Note that I'm supplying absolutely no more information than that. One is richer, the other poorer. What's your choice?
We already all know you said "richer". And why? Because you do understand that crime rates are higher in poor neighbourhoods. That the schools won't be as good. That, more subtly, if you petitioned the authorities to build the community a park in the richer neighbourhood than the poorer one, you'd have a damn sight better chance of succeeding - because we humans allow those in poverty to just rot (that's why you know the poor school very likely won't be as good, as the children of the poor are allowed to just rot - which is perfectly unjust, as that's very much like Biblical justice of punishing the child for the circumstances of the parent).
Basically, what I'd advocating is to eliminate poverty.
Yeah, I know. How the hell do we do that? That's quite a "tall order" that I'm making there. And I have no easy answers to that one, except to say that, well, we just keep striving - with science, technology and engineering, the overall humanist endeavour - to keep making the world a slightly better place and hope we'll eventually get most of the way there at some point.
Or, to look at it a different way, we should be intervening to obtain justice for the victims NOW. Not later, once some crime has occurred against them, where we're left with the impossibility of "taking back" things that already happened in the past.
Drug addicts need medical help. Those with mental illness need medical help. Everyone needs a reasonable prosperity across the board. We must not allow the disadvantaged to just rot in a corner, as long as "I'm alright, Jack" myself.
Take away all the reasons for crime. Intervene to obtain "equal justice for all" right now, before everything goes wrong.
That's really the only way it can ultimately be done.
I don't know if this quote works but I thought of it when reading this "In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him." We can only help people truly by understanding what they need, and what they lacked to get where they are. Activating, or creating a catalyst within someone can be difficult if you don't know what kind or where to put it to have the most effect, but we must then continue to seek understanding if we wish to continue trying to help that person.
I love the way Aron Ra occasionally flips back his hair...😊
re-watching. Never gets old
Aron sounds just like Johnny Cash.
Holy shit, you're right
I don't hear it .
thanks now I can't un-hear it....
@@georgeelmerdenbrough6906 Then your speakers are fucked.
@@irielion3748 Nope
LOL!! The thumbnail pic looks like they are sitting in the first car of a rollercoaster with AronRa's hair blowing in the wind!!
Great job Aron, great job Matt, I too am reading the bible and yes by using common sense!! yes this is all man made. No Christians your not going to live forever.
0:14:55 - You ever notice that the headlines NEVER CHANGE in this part of the world?
_________ You have three different Religions of Peace all following the SAME GOD of
_________ Loving Forgiveness. And yet they've been at war , continuously, each since
_________ their inception.
This was a great talk by Aron and Matt. Lots of good stuff in there. Now to just get the Christians to watch it.
This stuff comes out out of the Christian Seminars beginning around the middle the 19th century . If you really want to learn go to a Hebrew bible class from a university . This is the best part about the Hebrew Bible. People just have the wrong idea because of the Neo-fundo-Evangelical-movement. He, Aron. just doesn't see how ignorant of the subject he is. Go to a Lutheran Presbyterian Catholic . Simplistic . Methodist church . They teach this . I began about 35 years ago . Other wise other than his lack of biblical skills i agree with him but he Referring to Christians with a broad brush maybe to keep himself from possibly self examination.s. So for Christians who have been to Modern University biblical studies classes can see how stupid he is. We have know all this for 150 years . This is one of the reasons for the big split. Many Ministered the ones with real Doctrine Degree know this but no one cares nor has the time to study it . A little test check Isiah Chapter fro vitrification of Isiah that Aron is referring to / See the *Documentary if you really care or are you troll.
Hebrew bible Yale lecture 1 .Lecture 1. The Parts of the Whole - RUclips
This is the problem, most religious types won't watch it, only the hardcore types so they can come up with arguments for the already-believers.
In the USA especially they use it to create an us-and-them mentality, and that "them" are seeking to take away their rights.
Christ stains suffer major cognitive dissonance and persecution complex.
Wow. I never had all this background on the terminology of breath of life and wind and everything.
God does seem to have problems with iron chariots, but cut Him some slack. Iron Chariots are obviously the preserve of the Teamsters. God is all powerful, but He's not that powerful.
He's all powerful, except when it comes to make money and commit genocide in his name, then he needs humans to do it.
ok guys....neither of your statements make any sense.....god is ALL powerful....but not THAT powerful............if that is true, then i guess he is not ALL powerful.............Gakgaming----in genesis, supposedly, god created a flood that killed all but 8 people on earth....this would include infants and, yes, even fetus.....also....i am not sure where but in the buybull god commanded all 1st born males to burn through the fire.....as a sacrifice to god......so, AGAIN.......NEITHER STATEMENT HERE MAKES ANY SENSE.......
Robert Brown Did the jokes really go that far over your head? I mean you've just stated the reason why they've done it.
25 years ago, my daughters were itty bitty, and they had friends of the same age a few doors away. One day, the neighboring family was over for a cookout. At some point, the mother said she needed to leave for catechism classes. She was a Lutheran who was converting to Catholicism "for the childrens' sake." I asked the Dad, aren't you going too?" He said, "I dont need to go to church; I'm already Catholic!" As somebody who endured 12 years of catholic schools, I could only burst out in laughter over his honesty. Among all christians, there is nobody more ignorant of the buybull than so-called catholics.
Aaw, the Americans have finally started to discover atheism and it only took them 200 years.
In atheists, America distrusts.
asubjectiveopinion Perhaps do some research into who the framers were and how they identified themselves. Atheism was represented in America from the start.
Sorry, we were busy with other stuff.
Wow... Talk about not judging a book by the cover! (Aron Ra) 👍👍👍😄☺
Thanks for the upload.
What makes you think humanist societies don't promote critical thinking and the scientific method? That's specifically what it _glorifies_ because those two things have done absolute wonders for humanity as a species. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism - _"Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over acceptance of dogma or superstition."_
I think you might be confusing it for something else. What you said is nonsensical; it's like saying "Why do I not want to join an atheist society? Because I am interested in critically analyzing claims that gods exist."
the story about abraham that had to talk to god is like a bad written quest of an mmorpg... " i have to talk to you , but first , you need to kill 15 cats , 30 boars , 12 bears , and 60 birds"
BLASHPHEMY!
On spanking/hitting a child: in overwhelmingly MOST cases, it's unnecessary; I generally reserve it for a level of reckless behavior that carries real potential of serious risk or behavior that demonstrates a degree of attitude that resembles sociopathy.
Most of the time, bad behavior out of my kids gets the removal of something -- no treats, no TV, no preferred activities, etc. But I won't rule out spanking -- just haven't handed out a spanking in well over a year, maybe more.
What of nonmaterialistic children of no given fucks?
My kids got a few spankings each and that was it... once they knew that I WOULD spank them , I didn't have to anymore.
Clyde S. Dale. So, spanking isn’t t good, but it’s necessary for important lessons? Your statement and the replies that follow are a good start but they share a fundamental flaw, your point of view.
Punishment creates fear of authority. Yes, it affects the targeted behavior, but it causes unintended consequences and often fails when the authority is not present.
Enrollment is a better strategy. Enroll your child in the desired behavior. Communicate why the desired behavior is important. Use the teaching moment to share your deep love for the child. Your goal is for the child to internalize proper behavior, it’s reasons and emotions. The behavior becomes part of the child’s own values and the authority does not have to be forever present.
Here is an example. The oven is hot and your toddler is in the kitchen with you. You can smack her on the head whenever she gets near the oven or you can give her a hug while you extend your hand toward the oven, say hot and pull your hand away. Include all the emotion in your voice to illustrate a burn and show her by protecting her hand. Now, when she wanders near the oven don’t revert to what yer momma did and smack her on the head with the wooden spoon. Know that she’s not willfully disobeying. She just forgot. Reinforce, communicate with touch and affection.
It’s to be expected that your child will test you and you will let them experience some natural consequences but usually they are excited to be living and got carried away in the moment, and you only need to remind them. The downside is that you miss out on the emotional catharsis you get from hitting your child. You can get your therapy elsewhere. Remember, you are a teacher, a guide, a loving parent.
I wasn’t the best parent, but I never found it necessary to “punish” my children. My son once told me that he wanted to rebel but he just couldn’t think of anything rebellious he wanted to do. I reminded him that he had gotten a tattoo.
I have no children, but I've talked to plenty of people and here's my thought. There is no absolute solution to raise a misbehaved kid. I would reason that our psychology is complex enough that you will have to study your kid to see what works and doesn't work. We can't assume our reaction to a punishment will be the same for our children. I know I would like an easy go to for keeping my (future) child behaved, but you cannot simply imitate being a parent, you must be a parent, which may be like imitation until you make it your own.
I remember the first time i told my dad to fuck off, i got a right pasting for that one, learned within 2 seconds not to do that again.
The part where Matt said that God just wanted us to trust his plan without telling us the plan reminds me of Dutch on rdr2 , he always said they had to follow the plan, but never explained the plan , and just strung people along , causing people to get hurt or die along the way.
love these 2 guys
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Omg i've been saying this for years growing up as a catholic...how can you call the bible the "source of truth" if there are multiple different sects of Christianity because they cannot agree on what the "truth" is.
Why is a shepherd a good thing to be comforted by, controlled and herded, to be sold as meat at the end?
And fleeced.
Whoever reserved the front seats had to be christian. 'Let's reserve those seats and then not go so less people can show up
we should require people of all faiths to attend secular school, and these would be the accredited schools, if you wish to attend a religious school it should be in addition to the secular schools. there should be no teaching of religion in secular schools, save for studies of the bible as literature or comparative religions studies only. any studies of creationism should be the Provence of religious schools only. religious holidays of any kind should not be celebrated in secular school, that is the Provence of the family
Do you know you're a commie or was this by accident?
Love you guys.
Ok, not sure I get what picking a color had to do with the magic trick, but otherwise, enjoyed Matt's presentation (along with the AronRa's).
I think it was an example of misdirection.
Matt's lecture is REALLY good!!
HA WOW WHAT A SAD JOKE THAT PEOPLE CAN BELIEVE ALL LIFE CAME FROM NOTHING.
YOU DEFINITELY STILL WILL NOT FIND AN ATHEIST IN A FOXHOLE.
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@@tornadofreaks5744 lol oh dear
"I see what it's happening here, when face to face with greatness, it's strange" sang Maui.
"my favorite part of the bible is when Jesus is in the garden talking to God (himself) and a dude who wasn't there wrote it down."
When Jesus preached how did they all hear him speak???plus none of them would remember what he was waffling on about anyway.
Two titans of atheism in one place. An actual gift.
Aron and Matt would make great wizards.
2 of my 3 favourite living atheists. The other being Richard Dawkins. Matt has the intellect edge, but I like Aron more and he is also very intelligent. I don't share their political and lefty views though. I would still love to have a few beers with Aron. I know this will never happen unfortunately.
I love these two people so fucking much ♥️
Perfectly said/done AronRa and Matt Dillahunty. ᵔᴥᵔ ★★★★★
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Love the comment "faith is a pandemic" SO true!
I discovered you (AaronRa) just yesterday and today I already put you among people like Matt Dillahunty, Rationally Rules, Holy Koolaid, Genetically modified sceptic, and you climbing the ladder quickly. You truly have brilliant mind, I regret discovering you so late!
Why do you have to discover anyone. Do you not have a mind of your own. Is he your new high priest.
@@Vedioviswritingservice it's funny how the religious project their behavior on to others. Just because he is someone this person listens to and agrees with does not make him their "high priest". I love how believers lash out at those who challenge their faith.
@@Vedioviswritingservice what's wrong with you, dingus?
Hey OP... you might like the Planet Peterson channel. Science and logic debunking type stuff. He has wicked debates sometimes.
The " Where do you get your morals " argument is so dumb & irritating. Americans need to do more to call out religious leaders, that they're being unconstitutional when they implement laws based on their religion. Makes me wanna vomit. Morals are innate & evolved within us for obvious reasons.