I recently picked up a Senton 4x2 Boost to replace my lost or stolen (not sure yet) Slash. Honestly, I don't miss the Slash other than its special spot as my first "real RC". My first drive with the Senton was in very fine silty dirt that has loads of big rocks in it. Flipped over way less for sure, but also if I didn't see a big rock, the Senton just went over them. Where in a similar spot my Slash would have had a nasty wreck. Don't get me wrong my Senton flipped a few times and took some tumbles for sure, the body stood up to it all better than I remember my Slash's body doing. Still, both trucks are darn good values to me, and really can't go wrong with either.
@@alexp6409 definitely didn't mean to sound like the Slash is trash, I just don't miss it as much now. I'll probably get one for custom building again in the future though.
The first upgrade I'm going to do when I get a Slash is the LCG chassis. I've heard it does wonders for the Slash 2wd platform. But for now, my Senton is ready for $250 in upgrades lol
I Honestly think that the durability segment and the support maintenance segment are hard to separate. As an example if you buy a new Rc which needs more parts because it's less durable but you can get them really easily surely that's cancelled out by a more durable RC that's slightly harder to get parts for. I dunno which I would prefer but it's definitely worth mentioning.
hey, nice video 👍👍 A little tip : Try using weights behind the rear axle like the Traxas Slash. Because it was designed as an FRD from the start and has the engine behind the rear axle. The Arrma, on the other hand, was designed as AWD and therefore has the engine in front of the rear axle. 100g might be a little more or less weights behind the rear axle (fishing lead may don it) AND I TELL YOU IT WILL BE MORE FUN THAN WITH AWD. 😉 Maybe good material for a video, because the senton is available in Germany for 160€ or around 140$. A beginner or you can stick with the brushed motor and run it on 3S, which gives you around 30% more power witch is enough i think before converting it to brushless. you will be pleasantly surprised ....greetings from Berlin✌ ... keep it up
Also seeing these two compared makes me think the Losi 22S SCT would fill all the voids. With otherwise available parts you could upgrade it to pretty close to the TLR 2.0 rear motor spec for club racing.
Hey Razor, I’m commenting on this video since it is a more current one regarding Sentons and Slashes. I had a Senton that I raced on indoor clay and obviously it was too heavy and had almost zero adjustability. Great basher but not tunable. I’ve watched your whole video on Tuning a Slash 4x4 as well. Would a new BL2S 4x4 Slash be more tunable than the BLX Senton, or would the cost of parts just put me in the range of building out a Tekno? I’d like to have something that can somewhat compete on a track but not be $1000 into it.
I am surprised that, when taking the value into consideration, you didn't talk about the slash being able to race out of the box. I think that is a big selling point for them. Most local 1/10 tracks will have a stock Slash class.
Yep. I had two of them. I still have a few spare parts for it. There was also the 2wd Mojave. Basically the same as the Fury with a slightly different body.
I am a RC enthusiast from Germany and interested in both trucks. But I like Arrma better because it’s way easier to maintenance because of modular build. At the end I kinda compared the Traxxas with Apple. Because in Germany Traxxas trucks are not really cheap. For the price of a Traxxas Slash blx 2S VXL 4x4 I could get the bigger Arrma Mojave 3S.
Interesting launch from Arrma for sure. The 23T servo and 2-in-1 radio/ESC are a little obnoxious but the fact that you get an upgradable 4x4 platform for $200 is pretty sweet. As much as I love my goofy 2WD stampede the 3S Arrmas are just a dream to work on by comparison. Dead simple. The only con I could think of is the LCG if someone drives in grass a lot. Not great for a 2WD truck. But a great starting point for most.
> 23T servo That's just Spektrum. It shares the same 23T output spline as Airtronics/Sanwa. But I agree with the implication: it would be a LOT better if the entire industry would just stay on 25T.
The Slash is greater than the sum of its parts. I can't explain it, but I like it much better. I love the simplicity. The Arrma is so delicate. Look at the thing the wrong way and it breaks.
The HPI Jumpshot SC V2 is a car if you haven't already had one could put it to the test (if its easy to get one) to put up against the Traxxas or arrma.... This was something i was looking at a while ago but bought something else.. a Tamiya buggyra fat fox kit.. as the one fault i know of in the jumpshots is its main gear which is plastic not being durable but there is a metal gear upgrade.. just couldn't find one (at a reasonable price) to make buying the car in the first place... Or another option (pending asking price in the sense if its closely price with the Traxxas or the arrma...) the team associated pro2 sc..
For racing, the Slash wins hands down. Not necessarily because it's a better racer, but simply because it's the most popular racing class there is. There are no classes the Senton would quality for, it's purely a basher. For bashing, I'd say it's a toss up. The Senton is more durable for sure. But the Slash is quicker, faster, and handles better off road than the Senton. I've taken the center drive shaft out of my Granite before just to see how it handles, and yeah it's awful. If I were to recommend one to a newbie, I'd say the Slash. It's the better 2WD platform, you can upgrade it to the moon just like the Senton. The Senton works better as a 4x4, so you might as well just buy the 4x4, it's cheaper than upgrading it. The Mega 4x4 comes with a battery and charger for $270 so it's only $30 more than the Boost with a battery and charger, and the BLX version is $340 so it's an even better value. The Senton Boost for $200 is just a low effort cash grab.
SCT that can’t drive on dirt isn’t an SCT 🤷🏼♂️ But the primary win for the Slash is the entry into spec slash racing. Most everywhere has a club or track nearby that races spec slash. But a $200 RC and have a race ready vehicle that gets you plugged into the racing community. I try to race spec slash. But it’s comical at best 🤣
I feel like you’re saying that everything about the Slash is better, but you want to like that Arrma so bad 😂 I just sold my Big Rock and ordered a Slash 2wd kit.
My ex car history consults of a 1/16th traxxas erevo brushed and a arrma 3s vorteks. Way different beast but forever will stick to arrma just really for that price and parts choice. Left the vortek behind when I moved recently 😢 and now going to the shop to hopefully pick up a 3s sention. Was considering the brushed due to budget but I’ll prob just regret it. Then Will upgrade to the new RadioMaster Mt12 radio so I can get more cars I’m not a huge rc car guy( I already fly drones and planes) but like having the option to itch that scratch when I wanna drive so I really never broke the vortek, also street drove it mostly so tires fricking blew over time
i have been using the senton 4x2 boost for a while now, i have compared it against my friends slash 2wd, i think the senton is better in terms of durability and maintenance, and price is worth 210-230, because it is a lot better than the slash imo, if anyones starting out with rc, i would get a senton, even if it’s only brushed, it will be great.
Let us know when you go out to that spot again. I bet Francis and rest of us will come to your spot and bring some cars out. I have a fun 2WD slash with an LCG chassis you might like to rip around with.
I've had both of these trucks over the years. I prefer the HPI Blitz. Yes it's discontinued but, replacement parts are still out there. They're also easy to find used and usually at a good price.
I would love, love, love, love, to see traxxas update their 2wds (stamp, rustler, and slash) to use the same wheel offset front and rear, with the bandit i can understand, but everyone else has done it since the RC10T3
@@RazorRC with the design being from so long ago, and the front slash arms being sooooo close, why not just do it, then for all the other platforms just use the front offset all around. The simplicity of one offset must be more cost effective too.
Thanks for this Video. At the Moment - i want to buy a Stadium Truck. The Choice is a hard one, there are a Lot of good RC Stadium Trucks on the Market. Now, the decision is Traxxas --- or not, or Senton? Oh No, i will buy twaice
4wd Senton. Ditch the radio and esc for upgrade that can use steering Gyro. Arrma should sell kit for user to install electronics. Ken Block[RIP]and his Gymkhana Hoonicorn showed the world what a well tuned 4x4 could do.
You might consider upgrades in the maintenance/support category. Traxxas vehicles run away with the crown on that point. I love my ARRMA, but if I wanted something I could upgrade to the moon, I'd definitely start with a mainstream Traxxas vehicle.
My local indoor clay track uses a senton mega 4x4 as a rental vehicle, and in three years of constant abuse it has only had the motor changed once. No other problems. Understeers a bit, but fun tough truck
@@RazorRC would you mind giving me your opinion why I'd love to hear it. I figured it would be comparable to the slash because rear motor rear drive setup, plus the lower center gravity chassis is stock on the losi but definitely want to hear your opinion
I agreed with you, the Arrma Senton is bad on dirt, even me i have the Granite BLX even on dirt they need to use better tires, the Slash you can buy the LCG chassis some of the problem are solve, but the Senton is LCG from stock, and lets say this, the LCG chassis for the Slash cost $40 to $50, the same is true for the awd for Senton, in some point you will see more value form Arrma
Traxxas is so easy to get parts because they're always breaking 😂 i have e revo Summit emaxx and spartan boat. And 1 arrma infraction 6s. Im selling the Traxxas i have beat the snot out of the arrma at multiple 70+ mph wrecks with no breaks. Besides the rear wing. The Summit breaks on a 5mph crawler course
Have to disagree aarma vehicles are not durable if you look at it too close it will break. Arrma is harder to get parts to replace what you break. Arrma tough is a ongoing joke for most RUclips rs other than arrma fan boys. Arrma also lacks factory support. Spectrum radios have very limited range and feel very toy grade. I have made mistake of buying Arrma and will never again.
You obviously haven't owned one. Your profile picture does pretty good Justice to who you are.. making stuff up on the internet like the rest of the Traxxas fanboys. There's a reason Traxxas is slacking recently 😂
Slash is so old, there are dads, who buy one for their kid, getting sentimental - "just like the one I had growing up!"
I was thinking this as I recently got my son a rustler vxl "Huh, just like the one I had as a kid"
I recently picked up a Senton 4x2 Boost to replace my lost or stolen (not sure yet) Slash. Honestly, I don't miss the Slash other than its special spot as my first "real RC". My first drive with the Senton was in very fine silty dirt that has loads of big rocks in it. Flipped over way less for sure, but also if I didn't see a big rock, the Senton just went over them. Where in a similar spot my Slash would have had a nasty wreck. Don't get me wrong my Senton flipped a few times and took some tumbles for sure, the body stood up to it all better than I remember my Slash's body doing. Still, both trucks are darn good values to me, and really can't go wrong with either.
The LCG chassis makes a huge difference for the Slash. Mine basically will not traction roll on the street any more.
@@alexp6409 definitely didn't mean to sound like the Slash is trash, I just don't miss it as much now. I'll probably get one for custom building again in the future though.
The first upgrade I'm going to do when I get a Slash is the LCG chassis. I've heard it does wonders for the Slash 2wd platform. But for now, my Senton is ready for $250 in upgrades lol
I Honestly think that the durability segment and the support maintenance segment are hard to separate. As an example if you buy a new Rc which needs more parts because it's less durable but you can get them really easily surely that's cancelled out by a more durable RC that's slightly harder to get parts for. I dunno which I would prefer but it's definitely worth mentioning.
hey, nice video 👍👍
A little tip : Try using weights behind the rear axle like the Traxas Slash. Because it was designed as an FRD from the start and has the engine behind the rear axle. The Arrma, on the other hand, was designed as AWD and therefore has the engine in front of the rear axle. 100g might be a little more or less weights behind the rear axle (fishing lead may don it) AND I TELL YOU IT WILL BE MORE FUN THAN WITH AWD. 😉
Maybe good material for a video, because the senton is available in Germany for 160€ or around 140$.
A beginner or you can stick with the brushed motor and run it on 3S, which gives you around 30% more power witch is enough i think before converting it to brushless.
you will be pleasantly surprised ....greetings from Berlin✌ ... keep it up
Both are great cars. Can’t go wrong. Great video.
Guess you're right. I'd buy the Senton though.
Also seeing these two compared makes me think the Losi 22S SCT would fill all the voids. With otherwise available parts you could upgrade it to pretty close to the TLR 2.0 rear motor spec for club racing.
I used to race a TLR 22SCT 2.0 actually...!
How do you do that? I have a blown diff and can't find parts
Hey Razor, I’m commenting on this video since it is a more current one regarding Sentons and Slashes. I had a Senton that I raced on indoor clay and obviously it was too heavy and had almost zero adjustability. Great basher but not tunable. I’ve watched your whole video on Tuning a Slash 4x4 as well. Would a new BL2S 4x4 Slash be more tunable than the BLX Senton, or would the cost of parts just put me in the range of building out a Tekno? I’d like to have something that can somewhat compete on a track but not be $1000 into it.
I am surprised that, when taking the value into consideration, you didn't talk about the slash being able to race out of the box. I think that is a big selling point for them. Most local 1/10 tracks will have a stock Slash class.
Why wouldnt the senton be able to race out of the box they both are ready to run
I mean irace one the 3s blx its a good short course truck
Awesome comparison looks like fairwood by the trail, we should link up to shoot some rc videos.
Who remembers the Arrma Fury 2wd sct
TVP design needs to comeback from Arrma. They were/are great rigs. Bad ass looking too 🔥 Maybe in a larger scale 👌
That thing was cool!
much better design for 2WD
@@TboneTenEighties HPI uses the TVP on their latest Short Course truck.
Yep. I had two of them. I still have a few spare parts for it. There was also the 2wd Mojave. Basically the same as the Fury with a slightly different body.
I am a RC enthusiast from Germany and interested in both trucks.
But I like Arrma better because it’s way easier to maintenance because of modular build.
At the end I kinda compared the Traxxas with Apple. Because in Germany Traxxas trucks are not really cheap. For the price of a Traxxas Slash blx 2S VXL 4x4 I could get the bigger Arrma Mojave 3S.
Interesting launch from Arrma for sure. The 23T servo and 2-in-1 radio/ESC are a little obnoxious but the fact that you get an upgradable 4x4 platform for $200 is pretty sweet.
As much as I love my goofy 2WD stampede the 3S Arrmas are just a dream to work on by comparison. Dead simple.
The only con I could think of is the LCG if someone drives in grass a lot. Not great for a 2WD truck. But a great starting point for most.
> 23T servo
That's just Spektrum. It shares the same 23T output spline as Airtronics/Sanwa.
But I agree with the implication: it would be a LOT better if the entire industry would just stay on 25T.
I enjoy your video so much you're such a straight shooter about all these cars I love that. I love that about you I enjoy your videos
thank you sir!
The Slash is greater than the sum of its parts. I can't explain it, but I like it much better. I love the simplicity. The Arrma is so delicate. Look at the thing the wrong way and it breaks.
Talbot vid proves otherwise.
The HPI Jumpshot SC V2 is a car if you haven't already had one could put it to the test (if its easy to get one) to put up against the Traxxas or arrma.... This was something i was looking at a while ago but bought something else.. a Tamiya buggyra fat fox kit.. as the one fault i know of in the jumpshots is its main gear which is plastic not being durable but there is a metal gear upgrade.. just couldn't find one (at a reasonable price) to make buying the car in the first place...
Or another option (pending asking price in the sense if its closely price with the Traxxas or the arrma...)
the team associated pro2 sc..
For racing, the Slash wins hands down. Not necessarily because it's a better racer, but simply because it's the most popular racing class there is. There are no classes the Senton would quality for, it's purely a basher.
For bashing, I'd say it's a toss up. The Senton is more durable for sure. But the Slash is quicker, faster, and handles better off road than the Senton. I've taken the center drive shaft out of my Granite before just to see how it handles, and yeah it's awful.
If I were to recommend one to a newbie, I'd say the Slash. It's the better 2WD platform, you can upgrade it to the moon just like the Senton. The Senton works better as a 4x4, so you might as well just buy the 4x4, it's cheaper than upgrading it. The Mega 4x4 comes with a battery and charger for $270 so it's only $30 more than the Boost with a battery and charger, and the BLX version is $340 so it's an even better value. The Senton Boost for $200 is just a low effort cash grab.
SCT that can’t drive on dirt isn’t an SCT 🤷🏼♂️
But the primary win for the Slash is the entry into spec slash racing. Most everywhere has a club or track nearby that races spec slash. But a $200 RC and have a race ready vehicle that gets you plugged into the racing community.
I try to race spec slash. But it’s comical at best 🤣
They race Slashes on road at my local hobby store. It's interesting to see.
I feel like you’re saying that everything about the Slash is better, but you want to like that Arrma so bad 😂 I just sold my Big Rock and ordered a Slash 2wd kit.
Why would you sell a big rock
My ex car history consults of a 1/16th traxxas erevo brushed and a arrma 3s vorteks. Way different beast but forever will stick to arrma just really for that price and parts choice. Left the vortek behind when I moved recently 😢 and now going to the shop to hopefully pick up a 3s sention. Was considering the brushed due to budget but I’ll prob just regret it. Then Will upgrade to the new RadioMaster Mt12 radio so I can get more cars
I’m not a huge rc car guy( I already fly drones and planes) but like having the option to itch that scratch when I wanna drive so I really never broke the vortek, also street drove it mostly so tires fricking blew over time
i have been using the senton 4x2 boost for a while now, i have compared it against my friends slash 2wd, i think the senton is better in terms of durability and maintenance, and price is worth 210-230, because it is a lot better than the slash imo, if anyones starting out with rc, i would get a senton, even if it’s only brushed, it will be great.
Let us know when you go out to that spot again. I bet Francis and rest of us will come to your spot and bring some cars out. I have a fun 2WD slash with an LCG chassis you might like to rip around with.
You said center diff for the Arma 4wd upgrade kit?
sorry, I meant center driveshaft, not diff.
Arrma boost but granite with bigger tires. Add 2c lipo with fishing lures at the back
Have to disagree on the electronics traxxas is way more reliable than armma.. after 4 runs ALL the electronics failed in it
I've had both of these trucks over the years. I prefer the HPI Blitz. Yes it's discontinued but, replacement parts are still out there. They're also easy to find used and usually at a good price.
I would love it if HPI re-released the Blitz! The one truck I've always wanted.
Love to see s comparison to the Losi 22sct.
I would love, love, love, love, to see traxxas update their 2wds (stamp, rustler, and slash) to use the same wheel offset front and rear, with the bandit i can understand, but everyone else has done it since the RC10T3
agree 1,000,000%! they really need to use the same offset all the way around on all of their cars!
@@RazorRC with the design being from so long ago, and the front slash arms being sooooo close, why not just do it, then for all the other platforms just use the front offset all around. The simplicity of one offset must be more cost effective too.
cool rc;s and great comparisons
Could leave a link for tekno red springs for slash ultimate big bore shocks... thx I didn't want to buy the wrong ones
Thanks for this Video.
At the Moment - i want to buy a Stadium Truck. The Choice is a hard one, there are a Lot of good RC Stadium Trucks on the Market.
Now, the decision is Traxxas --- or not, or Senton? Oh No, i will buy twaice
Looking at prices and what you get, wondering why 4 tec wasn't in this
Ah...best SHORT COURSE TRUCK, my bad.
4wd Senton. Ditch the radio and esc for upgrade that can use steering Gyro.
Arrma should sell kit for user to install electronics. Ken Block[RIP]and his Gymkhana Hoonicorn showed the world what a well tuned 4x4 could do.
You might consider upgrades in the maintenance/support category. Traxxas vehicles run away with the crown on that point.
I love my ARRMA, but if I wanted something I could upgrade to the moon, I'd definitely start with a mainstream Traxxas vehicle.
My local indoor clay track uses a senton mega 4x4 as a rental vehicle, and in three years of constant abuse it has only had the motor changed once. No other problems. Understeers a bit, but fun tough truck
If you added the Losi 22s to this what would be the verdict?
I don't like the Losi, the chassis is terrible IMO.
@@RazorRC would you mind giving me your opinion why I'd love to hear it. I figured it would be comparable to the slash because rear motor rear drive setup, plus the lower center gravity chassis is stock on the losi but definitely want to hear your opinion
So for racing on dirt do you prefer mid or rear motor?
loose dirt, I think rear motor works better. on high traction clay, definitely mid motor
@@RazorRC awesome thanks for the info
The Arrma 2 in one esc/receiver is no good imo.
I do
Get both 😂
Both car all made to race in dirt for fun,lighter will car win the race,that gear box can go up to100mph
I agreed with you, the Arrma Senton is bad on dirt, even me i have the Granite BLX even on dirt they need to use better tires, the Slash you can buy the LCG chassis some of the problem are solve, but the Senton is LCG from stock, and lets say this, the LCG chassis for the Slash cost $40 to $50, the same is true for the awd for Senton, in some point you will see more value form Arrma
Nice video mate great info I think the arrma senton bost much better 👍😀
Sooooo... if u make a crap product, just have good customer service, and a buttload of extra parts?
Arrma for the win
Traxxas is so easy to get parts because they're always breaking 😂 i have e revo Summit emaxx and spartan boat. And 1 arrma infraction 6s. Im selling the Traxxas i have beat the snot out of the arrma at multiple 70+ mph wrecks with no breaks. Besides the rear wing. The Summit breaks on a 5mph crawler course
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Have to disagree aarma vehicles are not durable if you look at it too close it will break. Arrma is harder to get parts to replace what you break. Arrma tough is a ongoing joke for most RUclips rs other than arrma fan boys. Arrma also lacks factory support. Spectrum radios have very limited range and feel very toy grade. I have made mistake of buying Arrma and will never again.
I have a totally different experience with 2 Arrma rigs. Couldn't be happier with the toughness of them.
I got both and the Slash is way far more durable
Joke?
I don't own either I always buy associated but I've heard bad things about both of these brands so you don't know who to believe
You obviously haven't owned one. Your profile picture does pretty good Justice to who you are.. making stuff up on the internet like the rest of the Traxxas fanboys. There's a reason Traxxas is slacking recently 😂
THE SENTIN SUCKS
Que tal yo acabo de comprar un arrma senton 3s 3v 4x4 y es una maravilla.....corre super y esta hermoso