Intentionally restricting supply means we are not even interested . If i were to put an order in it would be a 12+ month waiting list. These car manufacturers have got their hand on it ,it's not a low volume Ferrari I would not wait even 3 months for a Toyota or a Ford or a Nissan etc. It's like lining up to get into a Kmart.
We went on the wait list late last year, got told to expect a car July/august. We’ve since had 1 call about whether we want to keep our allocation aaaaaand that’s it haha
The au model doesn't remotely match what they're building for other markets so if the au gov/Toyota au want a unique prado then supply will be limited. Nothing to do w Toyota I'm sure they'd rather not have to produce something specific for au
Everything after 2018 from Toyota has been made with saving money in mind, it's obvious. Toyota is losing it's appeal because of the cheap parts that are now going on them. As an example, Measure the internal door sizes from last series to this series in every single model of Toyota. Compare simple stuff like the struts, the type of leather they now use etc. Everything is now about making them cheap but selling them at the same price
Couldn't agree more. Since the GFC, all the new models have got progressively lower in quality. 2000-2010 will be remembered as the high point in Toyota quality.
IMHO from a 150 VX Owner who was looking to upgrade Positives - Looks great from the outside - Front dash and front seating area are excellent - Tech and screens look fantastic - 8 speed auto Negatives - Approx 10k + more expensive across the range - No gas struts for bonnet - 48 V mild hybrid adds complexity, and dubious benefits - Ad Blue addition and still has a DPF - Same carryover engine 2.8 L GD with no more power/torque - Seven seat set up is a backwards step with a much smaller amount of boot room/very high lip, plastic storage ‘box’ and lack of room for a fridge - Toyota says seats can’t be removed due to battery underneath - Weighs 250-300kg more - Cool box is much smaller than 150 on VX+ - Rear seats/2nd row don’t slide back-and-forth for more space - Only 2, 5 seat variants the GX and the altitude to avoid to limited boot space - Fuel tank is 110 L - less than 150 L from the Prado 150 - Smaller boot opening height than the 150 - no rear Diff lock in anything but the altitude - more models in old 150 have both - Payloads approx 100kg less than old 150’s - Stop start - Wheel not on the back, under car - Glove box and storage in the front is small I.e no sunglasses holder, storage above gearshift in cubby - Driver monitoring system annoyance - No space for a dual battery under bonnet -Sliding GVM kg, moves up and down depending on model grade. Previous Prado was fixed GVM for all models, with payload increasing as you went down the range with less kit.
@@ducksnuts1385 great review of the facts. I use my 2008 Prado with the seats out and in. That’s a major thing. I also have 180l Duel tank. The good news is that there are so many cheap land cruisers about. I was all primed for the new Prado. Adblue Mild Battery 2.8 wow. They must think we mugs. Judging by all the orders for the new Prado looks like Toyota made the right call or will people be like me and see the light !!!
Very good list of what seems backward. Interesting that the LC300 is about 200kg lighter than previous model but the Prado is now 200kg heavier. Prado now about same size and weight as LC300. Shame that LC300 is just so expensive and Lexus GX550 has such a limited range. My current 2016 GXL prado seems better than I thought prior to this launch (no DPF issues BTW and has been 100% reliable)
$82,000 for a GX without diff lockers and the same 2.8L engine as in my 4 year old Fortuner with rear diff locker and sliding second row. You gotta be so diluted to fork out $30k more for less equipped car.
@@tallboy49 Nonsense! Which useless battery? It's a significantly much modern and advanced vehicle! The starter and generator have been replaced by a single motor generator! Much less moving parts, chains belts...
@@Marks.Reviews all hybrids and electrics have a 12v. even the ones that went to a single generator/starter on the motor. a bunch of the cars electrics need 12v and a separate 12v is the best way to do it.
I test drove the Kakadu this week . That boot configuration is awful. Rear seats not able to slide forward or back is a steep in the wrong direction too. Lovely interior though, cameras are high quality at last too! I have a late model VX with the same engine and honestly I didn’t find the drive of the new one as refined. It feels like a heavier vehicle vs the old one. I need a 7 seater option, so that boot is a deal breaker. Not to mention the gaps that exist ALL round the square platform created by the folded seats and flimsy storage box that make up the floor of the boot. Love the looks but that’s it. Not in a hurry at all to upgrade.
Was going to get one of these but ended up with an Everest. Cheaper, bigger engine, all the tech that I want. Won't be keeping it for more than 5 years so I'm not concerned about long term reliability
body on frame vehicles were never good for interior space. The floor is high due to the frame, that eats into the interior height. Add hybrid batteries, solid rear axle, fuel tank, and spare tire underneath then you're left with very limited space. That's what happened to the Toyota sequoia. If you want space and three row, then it's going to have to be an unibody vehicle.
@@pastorofmuppets8834 the only thing that concerns me about the Ford is the way the dealers/company seem to leave people with genuine warranty claims swinging. Toyota aren’t great but I believe Ford AU are one of the worst.
@pantoqwerty it depends a lot on the dealer I reckon. I've heard horror stories from every manufacturer except Lexus (lots from Toyota!) My dealership is really good but despite owning 3 fords over the last seven years I've only had one relatively major issue (differential) which was fixed no questions asked. Had a fortuner as a loan car (hired, reimbursed by ford). Same 2.8 engine as in the newPrado. It was awful. If I had only driven it off road it would have been fine. But I would hate to own one and drive it on the road as a daily!
We’d ordered a GXL, went to view it yesterday, and the 2 seats in the boot changed our minds immediately. SO restrictive! Had to change to the Altitude to get the boot space we’d use.
I was lining up for the 250 with the major price rise not sitting well but regardless still thought how good the 150 was for a growing family, surely this will be even better. When the dealer wanted huge amounts of deposit from me to keep a place in a queue and photos of the boot started showing up, plus the notion of the same 4 cyl and heavier car, then the lack of rear leg room and no sliding bench, it all started to fall apart from me. I wasn't paying $10k more, for less, and have to wait 12 months or more for the privilege. Needless to say a certain other V6 10 Speed now has my money and will arrive before Xmas complete with lifted remote res shocks, 33s from factory and a proper amount of legroom including generous boot space WITH the third row up.
I think a 76 is the go now, the reduced fuel onboard, compromised boot and ad-blue and driver monitoring. My 120 seems to make more sense. Prado 250 seems to have lost its way as the great Aussie tourer.
The 2 choices in my mind are the more agricultural 76 over the GX 250 or the GX 300 over the 250 Altitude depending on how much wealth you want to be parted from. The Everest seems reasonable but I don’t think I could bring myself to do it.
Toyota Australia is taking their customers for a ride. Even Switzerland has a regular, non-hybrid 8 speed diesel, with option for 600nm torque. This hybrid setup is completely in opposition to the storage, weight and reliability needs of a 4x4. I think this is really positioned as a primarily city car, while the 300 is the upsell for more serious off-roading. Prado is absolutely positioned to push regular off-roaders up to the 300.
I got to have a good look at a vx over here in NZ that a customer of mine just got about a week ago, he's a farmer and pretty much the first thing he did was take it off road into one of the paddocks his workers were cultivating, I had a look over it later that day. Noted most of the same things you did, loved the ease of servicability it seems the have, bu the 2 things that I wasn't too happy with were how the rear sway bar links are designed, right in the wheel well and will definitely get hammered especially in aussie conditions. (Lived in perth a while) The other thing is also to do with that rear wheel well, there's no real protection from mud and dirt off the rear tyre making it's way into the passengers cabin, if you have a look you'll see that the rear door seals are quite soft and don't have much crush. Even after 1 day off road it looked to me like dirt dust and mud will easily make it's way in. Again in dusty red dirt conditions 100% you'll get dust ingress into the passengers cabin section. Take it through some wet spots and you'll see straight away what I'm talking about. Otherwise seems like a decent truck.
NZ versions suck even more. As all models come in 7 seater configuration only! No choice. Meaning you have to put up with that boot space and the folding seat adjustment.
I was absolutely dumbfounded when I saw this in person today. I just can’t believe anyone at Toyota thought it was even remotely ok to dish up that rear cargo space. Imagine being one of the sheep who’s dropped a deposit on one of these unseen, only to walk in to the dealer and open the tailgate. Overall, it feel tinny too, bonnet and doors feel light. Some really dodgy plastic trims interior and exterior too.
The sheep can simply request their deposit back! 12 to 24 month wait according to some dealers in South East QLD so the dealer can pass the cancelled order onto the next person!
I have never been more distracted than in new cars. They are constantly beeping at you and showing stupid symbols and messages. Been driving since I was 13 around 2002. Never had an accident. I got a company car and nearly crashed the first week because the screens changed colour, it started beeping loudly and a huge message popped up so my instinct was to read it....luckily I slammed on the brakes before rear ending someone. And that super important message? "You have been driving for more than one hour consider taking a break" and a coffee cup symbol
The 60kg limit is only for the tiny bit of board over the storage cubby, not the entire floor area. This was confirmed by Toyota for our Land Cruisers in the USDM.
The lack of disclosure from Toyota and their dealers on the release of the 250 speaks volumes. The whole rear area has a 60kg limit period! Get a release from your Oncologist just in case you fry your nuts when seated in the rear.
Land rover packaged the 48v system far better in the defender as they kept the spare on the rear door. If Toyota had done this it seems feasible that the boot would be flat as the 48v system could have sat below the boot floor level.
The Land Rover Defender is not a body on frame car, it's a unibody just like a normal car and it doesn't have a solid rear axle. That means there is more floor space.
@maxKporter that is correct, but the space taken up by the prado spare wheel can't be overlooked. I am still trying to wrap my head around the decision to move the wheel underneath. I'm sure they had their reasons.
82k for a GX that does not even come with a locker, that's a basic feature now a days. I am in the states at the moment and every model comes with a locker even the base, its also only slightly more expensive than the GX in Aus and has a newer modern petrol hybrid. Toyota is tacking the piss, ill pass.
Over here in New Zealand, we got the same problems. However, we only get the 7 seater for now. Apparently, there bringing a 5-seater sometime next year. My parents were very keen at getting a new prado to replace my mum's mitsubishi truck. However, due to the stupid boot design, the limited demand, the blue liquid that you HAVE to fill up despite it being for US emissions not NZ ones and you cant start the car without it, low spec levels for NZ models so ours dont get half what the aussie get, plus the price of $105K which is $20K more then the old one yet doesn't drive any better or is any more comfortable. we ended up getting a slightly older Lexus LX as it was much better for the money, way more comfortable, actually has more features, and still capable offroad with feeling like a tractor, and was cheaper by $30K compared to the new prado
It took 15 years for Toyota to redesign the Prado and someone forgot they need to carry a big battery in the boot. Add a plastic box that looks cheaper than the boxes you buy from Temu.
I'd be looking at a base level 300 instead of any of those. More power. More gears. Better towing ability. No 48v crap. No AdBlue crap. By the time you spend $90K on a Prado, you might as well spend $100K on a 300. (note - prices are just a wild guess - but the differential between the two isn't going to be all that much).
Australia's aversion to petrol is baffling to me. My ideal config would be the 2.4l turbo petrol, more power, more boot space, no dpf or adblue. Would be cheaper too
The DMC also works with the Traffic Jam Assist hand’s free driving system. (Autonomous at speeds under 25 mph in traffic.) Makes sure you’re paying attention when hands free. Also that 60 Kg limit on the back is for that small little hatch. Not the full cargo area. In the US model you can’t do Tow/Haul mode and cruise control at the same time. I just drove a Hilux with the 2.8 and wish we could get that engine here in the USA.
We waited for recent release in NZ. Booked our test drive. Demo vehicle was 7 seater. We opened the boot and that was the end of our thoughts to replace our current 2021 Prado. Sales people said we could possibly get one sooner because there were quite a few cancelled orders. That was about 4 weeks ago. Like the car except for one very important space or should I say non-space.
250 series has been here in NZ now for the past month & we drove one a couple of weeks ago- boot configuration in the 7 seater with the 3rd row folded down is a massive drawback, just not enough space. Going to stick with my 2005 120 series- put the 3rd row of seeds in the the odd occasion we need them, otherwise rip them out & use the space on long trips.
Thanks for the awesome review. Was totally shocked at how much space was taken up in the boot in all 5 models tho that 250mm height in the GXL, VX & Kakadu is ridiculous. Not to mention the adblue & loss of 150L fuel tank. These are some of the reasons I'm feeling very relieved that I bought one of the last brand new 2023 Kakadu's in May this year as I didn't like the look of the new FJ looking Prado either. I think once people realise all the negatives with this newer model the 150 series Prado's are going to hold their value like nothing else.
In the USA the base model comes standard with centre and rear differential locks. Here you have to spend another $20k over the GX for the Altitude. Just give me a modernised 100 series. Similar size to the Prado but better architecture, fold down tailgate, removable third row seats, optional front and rear locks and 120l fuel capacity.
Yeah mate nail on the head. 300 was and is a value disappointment. You know they removed the fold down armrests and auto wipers from the GXL 300! It's a $100k car! No split tailgate. Back seats no better than a Ute. And they cost a fortune. And of course, ad blue, the same 2.8 in everything. I always loved Toyota's. I held them the highest. But they stopped making anything I liked years ago.
I cancelled my VX order and picked up a 300. I know a big jump in price but the space usability in the car was a big factor. Also no Adblue/DEF to worry about. Edit to add that if I got a Prado in the future it'd be the GX.
Just ordered the altitude. I know it’s expensive but it’s got all the tech and comfort. To be honest i could have just got the gx but thats what i got when i bought my 200 back in 2015. Then i spent about $50000 on it to make it look,sound and perform better. I’m over all the modification stuff now and just wanted something standard that i could comfortably drive anywhere. Just my thoughts.
Agreed. I have an Altitude with my name on it at my local dealer- have checked it out already. Will decide after a test drive. Hate the boot in the GXL, VX, and Kakadu!
Firewall passenger side battery is a good thing IMO. Smoother ride for it, better weight distribution with it inside the wheel base, It should help these new lead acid battery's we get now last a bit longer. I remember my old BJ40 used to shake a battery apart every 2 years like clockwork.. The fix was to place it right out the front on the Bull Bar. Only one problem was I lost 3 battery's and not due to them being mounted incorrectly. I eventually fixed that problem and it was to give the thief my battery charger. LOL He never took my battery again.
6:25 NOx! DPF and Adblue have nothing in common: DPF=> "particulate Filer". AdBlue => NOx neutralizing by chemicals. The MOST important thing on a modern diesel; in most parts of the world. Not so much in a desert, obviously. btw: AdBlue is actually a pretty genius thing, considering how simple it works.
$82k starting price for a GX (no doubt they will be more when they actually arrive at the dealers). Comes without diff lockers and the same 2.8L engine as in a 4 yr old Fortuner which has a rear diff locker. This new Prado has been pitched as a city dweller runabout shopping car to cart the kids to school & sports etc and not as an offroader. They are trying to sell upsell you into a 300 for that purpose. You would be far better off spending money on your existing 120/150 Prado to upgrade/customise it as required for your lifestyle. For instance our Prado has E-lockers front & rear and many other mods to make it a beast for all round duties. Many shops doing engine rebuilds/swaps these days if your engine is tired. Same goes for Trans & diffs & transfer cases etc. The biggest issue with so much more electronics crammed into these new models they are becomming so much not suitable for offroading as to much risk of an error code popping up leaving you stranded in the bush. Always wise to offroad on a non complex 4WD
Holding onto my pre DPF 76 series becomes more and more appealing everytime a new vehicle is released with the exception of the Grenadier (but I don't do 1st generation vehicles so that's out of the question for now)
We had our name down for a VX - having put down a deposit back in Sept 23 and were due to get the car in early December. We ended up changing the contract a month back over to the Altitude, as the terrible colour choices in VX - meant we were taking an all black car as the best of a bad bunch and it felt a compromise. I suspect many people will now switch over to the Altitude given that 7seat/poor boot design. Where that places ourselves and everyone else in the queue will be interesting. It may actually be better to wait a year or two anyway for any issues to be identified and ironed out.
They need ad-blue to meet Euro 6 emissions because a DPF isn’t enough any more. Nice to see they have caught up to the 2004 Ford Territory with the separate tailgate window opening. I’ve owned a couple of Territories and it was a brilliant feature. That 3rd row is a disaster, talk about looking like an afterthought. I was pretty keen on the new Prado but I’ll probably stick with my Land Cruiser.
@@Taktko price point tips it over the scale for me and ongoing issues, also they just lost their seat manufacturer Ricardo so huge backlog of orders globally at the moment
There are too many CONs/downgrades over my current VX Prado for me to even consider it at this price. I'm sure new Prado owners will love it because they don't know what they are missing out on. Let's hope they rethink things for version 2...I have plenty of time to wait.
@@Xon333 Yep. That’s my view. Let the heat die down. In a couple of years may have a few more Prado options. Like full hybrid and large engine for towing. And no bloody Adblue.
Could care less what they call it...but the diesel option would be nice. Problem is diesel engines just don't sell all that well here so no chance we'll get it.
Honestly, take budget out of the equation, the only one I like is the Lexus Overtrail, great engine, great interior, all the tech and no intrusive compartment in the rear.
As someone who has owned every landcruiser model since the 1980s including the 300 (hated it). I have noticed toyota give us less and less eg loss of dual fuel tanks, poorer quality. This prado has design faults eg poor 2nd row leg room, stupid third row seating and cargo area etc. the new 70 is a hilux from the dash forward. The 300 has stupid positioning of the fuel filter, drummy aluminium body panels and snorkels that allow water in. I hope grenandier fix the drivers floor hump, put the speedo i front of the driver and sort the diff lock set up. First time ever Id buy something else and toyota can 🖕
Glad you still have several trims available there..here in the Philippines, we only get one, and it is a 2.4L gas, 7-seats non hybrid, ‘62 version with three available colors and in mono tone only.
Love the 3rd row seats in my discovery 4. They fold completely flush with the floor. Anyway this new Prado is a very nice looking car, still stick with my pre 2017 land rovers for now, as someone who doesn't mind doing mechanical work it's completely fine with me
In South Africa we get the TX. That’s the one to get. 7 seats and the boot is level with the trim at the boot latch. We @nomadicgear has done a 3rd row seat delete with boot platform and access to the massive cavity underneath.
We’re looking at it as a daily and a tow vehicle. Keeping my hilux for off-road. Therefore we are keen on a 7 seater as well be able to ferry the kids and their friends around town but still have the ability to do some touring with a caravan in 5-seat mode.
What are people thinking of them over there mate , I have a 150 Prado and love it ,after having a 75 series troopy for 12 years which I loved as well. I don’t mind the new one
Australia is Landcruisers biggest market but they know Aussies will buy anything badged Landcruiser. Morons like me. So we get it last, after America (who it was actually designed for not us this time). After England had it released even. And of course we get price gouged and, we don't even get the cool headlight option.
DPF & AdBlue will be to qualify for Euro 6 emission standards which come into full effect Jan 26. “The Federal Government will require all new cars, SUVs and light commercial vehicles - which encompasses most utes and vans - introduced to Australia from December 2025 to meet Euro 6d standards”
Compare it to a 2.8L auto GXL Troopy for outback travel - Troopy has 1200kg payload, 180L fuel tanks, twin lockers - absolute no-brainer - way better than the Prado if you don't mind the basic features. Previous Prados were good for outback travel but not this one.
Toyota have told me my Kakadu is on the dock. 2 weeks until delivery. I have asked about the rear seats being removed in it and they said it will "likely" void the warranty. So im thinking about downgrading to the Altitude. This will mean i go to the back of the queue. likely 6-8 month wait! Can believe they have cocked this up sop much!
So many issues, and you didn't even mention the reduction in fuel capacity. I'm calling the 150 'Peak Prado'. And some will even say 150 pre DPF (1KD) was the peak.
@@cootha8631 I'd take a 120 over the 250, and any other 4WD. And I'd take the 180 litre fuel tank over the 150's 150 litre. It's a close call, but I still prefer the 150. I'm still undecided about the 1GD over the 1KD - although I listen to Anthony with keen interest!
The new fortuner also has the auto closing tailgate with the incredibly loud beeping. Don’t you think that’s going to be the worst thing ever for camping? I can’t imagine that noise in the bush
Regarding DEF/AdBlue as well as DPF, it's required to meet Euro 6e emissions standards which has been required for all new type approvals since September 2023 and all new vehicles since September 2024. Toyota probably decided it was cheaper just to sell Euro 6e homologated vehicles to the Australian market and not worry about redeveloping an Australia-specific version.
Australian Toyota sales account for less than 3% of total world wide sales, we aren't considered for country specific vehicle design because the total sales wouldn't improve anything for them.
@@Capt_SambaI would agree with you but then, Germany sells less landcruiser than Australia but still has a different engine setup without the 48V system, at least as far as current information states.
@@PLAYER2035 What happens if my vehicle runs out of AdBlue®? It will automatically shift into a reduced power mode so you can get home. It will not restart if the engine is turned off and the AdBlue® tank is empty.
I am so disappointed in the rear area and no struts for the engine bay, I would rather buy the bottom spec 300. Boot is better, better engine for towing all for the same price as top spec Prado.
All 7 seaters in NZ. Off roading is my second priority therefore I ordered GXL for same practicality while lower cost. I look forward to after market fix when I need more rear space, drawers etc.
Hi Ronny , I think you guys tend to forget these Vehicles are designed in the Tahara Aichi Plant in Japan for several world markets including Australasia, Africa , Middle East and South America and finally the USA & Europe . The Prado Landcruiser's Project Chief Designer is Yoshito Watanabe with Ji-Won Kim & Kosake Kubo, & Tokika Hirai as the Exterior design team and Hidemasa Komatsu & Naoki Hamajima as the Interior Designers. So these Engineers are not going to please all of the thousands of Print and "youtube" Automotive reviewers worldwide, remember that there are two plants in Japan manufacturing the Prado / LC250 and the Lexus GX550 models and the one Plant in Chengdu in the (FAN Toyota Plant ) in Eastern China producing the Prado Model
Surely there's a few other names you could have dropped? Any review is naturally an individuals perspective, there's nothing that I disagree about in this video or is unreasonable given the Australian market. 250mm is a long way up when you're lifting in shopping or a kids pram. Toyota appears to have lost it's way over the years. I was a massive Toyota fan (owned several Landcruiser's and Hilux's in my time) but they have overpriced themselves. I drive a Ford Ranger these days, very happy with it. If 20year ago me was told that I wouldn't have believed you for a second. But there you go.
Uncannily similar to my 2024 Tacoma -- though it has some uprated trim. Even though the engine is different on that prado, it looks surprisingly familiar in arrangement to the Tacoma.
Toyota NZ have listened to feedback and are now bringing in 2 five seat models. I had the 7 seat model ordered now changed to 5 seat model afer the dealer called me. He saw how disappointed I was when I saw the back during the demo drive.
Thanks Ronny for these details. Toyota really should do better on 7 seater rear aesthetic. It actually could look better without the storage thing. ONE note that the height of the box is actually like 21cm instead of 25cm.
Which is why I've focused on my custom built gq dual cab, almost ready, non def dpf adblue, blow a fuse and shut down shite, can't afford to wait 10 years for a delivery, spend 20 years eating two minute noodles, paying it off in debt, horse dung vehicles full of more plastic than a self afleuncer. I would rather put a 100k into something reliable and capable and diy it, thsn invest in a premade expensive vehicle, with a loss of 80% value in 10 years crap any day. Short term loss, long-term gain 👍 ready in time for my 40th.
I checked out the GXL at a local dealership. For off roading or travelling purposes a little disappointing for the reason you highlighted. Am considering the Altitude for sway-bar and diff locker options. Other options appear to be your typical suburban vehicle, with potential for interstate driving on the east coast. For long distance touring and off roading still prefer 76.
These Prado’s have been in showrooms for a couple of weeks now “In Victoria, just can’t test drive yet” but you can sit in them etc, so I don’t get vloggers etc stating they can’t see the car yet..
Its just like the LC200 and the newer LC300,middle seats dont slide,fuel tank smaller,no split tailgate,split sun visor gone,smaller in many areas.Just glad we picked up one of the last LC200s.What were they thinking?
@@TheDarkhorse82 old man shaking fist at technology -> when that shit gives up on you in the middle of nowhere that’s exactly what you’d be doing. Before you even think of writing “most of these don’t go off road” it’s worth considering that in that case there’s way better vehicles to buy than this.
I do. I willl not even look at one until I get my hands on a hybrid test vehicle. Give it a bit of time you will see forums burning about the the euro 6 diesel. I live in Europe, we had them for almost a decade now. Come back to me in a couple of years and let me know how that diesel worked out for you.
It’s rather amusing people who say they are “anti-technology” yet are driving vehicles with an ECU processing lighting fast calculations, injection systems with incredibly high PSI pressures and ABS and airbags and seatbelts that can protect you in an accident in micro seconds etc etc etc … in many cases these things have been in service for many years … I have not heard of an epidemic of Toyota Hilux ECU failures, just as an example of “technology” that works and lasts for decades; so engineering technology rocks. However, no problem if people wait to see if there are any typical new model problems and just wait a year or two.
It absolutely is, but for Australia, even if you put long-range tank into it, it's just not the greatest touring range. It's ideal car for West US with gas pump right before trail start. You've seen the issues Grenadier had with range, and GX is thirstier. And there isn't that much space for bigger long-range tank than +/- 60 additional litres. Still, the GX is like clear winner. E-KDSS at half the cost of 300 GR (the only 300-series with KDSS), V6TT, cohesive looks (550 was designed first, 250 just chopped the front&back from it)
I’m interested to see the longevity of these stop start diesel engines, I know diesel engines are built to run for long periods and idle perfectly, I’ve always been told that to not always drive my hilux to the shops and back and try and keep the engine running as long as possible
Hi Ronny, i have a question regarding your LC76, have you done GVM upgrade and rear track correction? I hope you could do a full video of the mods you have done with your LC76 and breakdown of the cost. All the best mate!
Putting a critical system in the storage compartment thereby limiting what one can do with it is absurd. Suspect it would need to be accessible for servicing, so no drawers, no fridge in a touring vehicle 🤦♂️
Regarding the front diff lock: It seems that Toyota is depending on A-Trac to do that work. Overall, the issue with the boot is a deal breaker, at least for me. I didn't know the one in Australia will come with a battery!
had great expectations for Series 250 but Toyota didn’t delivery on space and usability beyond the front row and some of the looks … crap interior space and seating in 2nd and 3rd rows … how could they get this so wrong after years of potential mocks ups and feedback?
In regards to that 60kg limit in the back of the GX and Altitude, the US version also has a weight limit. The US version’s weight limit is in reference to the storage area’s lid(board), not the battery area. It also appears for our Aussie version, that 60kg weight limit is also referring to the storage area’s lid(board) and not the battery area. Don’t go sitting on that area with your legs hanging over the bumper which many have done in the past with wagons. I have always wondered where Toyota would put that 48 volt battery after seeing the reviews of the system on the Hilux which has it under the rear seat. Now that l have seen the storage design for the 7 seater, my heart which has been on the Altitude grade in the past, is now even more so. Also GX is now looking more interesting. I can now see why the US didn’t go for a 7 seat option with their hybrid only models. They most likely would have ended up with a similar storage design, for the third seat and battery. Altitude would be the most capable and safest grade, thanks to lock diff, sway bar disconnect and HUD (which helps keep your eyes more on the road). Also I’d be interested to know if the 48v battery on the Prado, is the same capacity as the Hilux?
in Slovakia, only the top model (Executive, since First Edition is gone) has Sway Bar Disconnect, which is absurd given in LC 150 top 4 trims had KDSS. Toyota Europe plans to introduce the Mild Hybrid in 2026 I think for 250.
Intentionally restricting supply means we are not even interested . If i were to put an order in it would be a 12+ month waiting list. These car manufacturers have got their hand on it ,it's not a low volume Ferrari I would not wait even 3 months for a Toyota or a Ford or a Nissan etc. It's like lining up to get into a Kmart.
If you're not willing to wait, easy, then just buy something else...?!
We went on the wait list late last year, got told to expect a car July/august. We’ve since had 1 call about whether we want to keep our allocation aaaaaand that’s it haha
The au model doesn't remotely match what they're building for other markets so if the au gov/Toyota au want a unique prado then supply will be limited.
Nothing to do w Toyota I'm sure they'd rather not have to produce something specific for au
Going at over 10% below msrp here in Spain. Stick with my 150. 250 is ugly and i never buy 1st release year
Be far better off buying something else.
Whoever at Toyota thought having the rear floor 250mm higher than the opening is an absolute moron. What a terrible design.
Not only the height but the looks. It just looks like someone glued some shit in there as an afterthought.
Like a backyard fit out
@@pantoqwertyA lot better than the 120 and 150 at least.
Why don't you ask them why they did that instead of talking crap?
@@svein-haraldribland8559 what’s a lot better, surely not that raised floor and non-movable second row?
I am going for GWM tank 500. Lots of car for the money. Long proven reliability in China, super luxurious. Proper off-roader.
Everything after 2018 from Toyota has been made with saving money in mind, it's obvious. Toyota is losing it's appeal because of the cheap parts that are now going on them. As an example, Measure the internal door sizes from last series to this series in every single model of Toyota. Compare simple stuff like the struts, the type of leather they now use etc. Everything is now about making them cheap but selling them at the same price
Couldn't agree more. Since the GFC, all the new models have got progressively lower in quality. 2000-2010 will be remembered as the high point in Toyota quality.
Mate people have been touting the demise of Toyota since the early 2000s. Find something else to do.
Spot on
@@Saphire0437 Mate, I own a new Toyota, I don't want any demise, nor did I mention one. Your paddling up the wrong river
New Prado's leather quality is really terrible :D
IMHO from a 150 VX Owner who was looking to upgrade
Positives
- Looks great from the outside
- Front dash and front seating area are excellent
- Tech and screens look fantastic
- 8 speed auto
Negatives
- Approx 10k + more expensive across the range
- No gas struts for bonnet
- 48 V mild hybrid adds complexity, and dubious benefits
- Ad Blue addition and still has a DPF
- Same carryover engine 2.8 L GD with no more power/torque
- Seven seat set up is a backwards step with a much smaller amount of boot room/very high lip, plastic storage ‘box’ and lack of room for a fridge - Toyota says seats can’t be removed due to battery underneath
- Weighs 250-300kg more
- Cool box is much smaller than 150 on VX+
- Rear seats/2nd row don’t slide back-and-forth for more space
- Only 2, 5 seat variants the GX and the altitude to avoid to limited boot space
- Fuel tank is 110 L - less than 150 L from the Prado 150
- Smaller boot opening height than the 150
- no rear Diff lock in anything but the altitude - more models in old 150 have both
- Payloads approx 100kg less than old 150’s
- Stop start
- Wheel not on the back, under car
- Glove box and storage in the front is small I.e no sunglasses holder, storage above gearshift in cubby
- Driver monitoring system annoyance
- No space for a dual battery under bonnet
-Sliding GVM kg, moves up and down depending on model grade. Previous Prado was fixed GVM for all models, with payload increasing as you went down the range with less kit.
@@ducksnuts1385 great review of the facts. I use my 2008 Prado with the seats out and in. That’s a major thing. I also have 180l Duel tank. The good news is that there are so many cheap land cruisers about. I was all primed for the new Prado. Adblue Mild Battery 2.8 wow. They must think we mugs. Judging by all the orders for the new Prado looks like Toyota made the right call or will people be like me and see the light !!!
Very good list of what seems backward. Interesting that the LC300 is about 200kg lighter than previous model but the Prado is now 200kg heavier. Prado now about same size and weight as LC300. Shame that LC300 is just so expensive and Lexus GX550 has such a limited range. My current 2016 GXL prado seems better than I thought prior to this launch (no DPF issues BTW and has been 100% reliable)
@@ducksnuts1385 that’s it. No sunglasses holder. No me buy.
$82,000 for a GX without diff lockers and the same 2.8L engine as in my 4 year old Fortuner with rear diff locker and sliding second row. You gotta be so diluted to fork out $30k more for less equipped car.
Other than looks and a weight penalty with the useless battery it is the same vehicle. Don"t waste your money.
@@tallboy49 Nonsense! Which useless battery? It's a significantly much modern and advanced vehicle! The starter and generator have been replaced by a single motor generator! Much less moving parts, chains belts...
@@alanmay7929Are you sure it doesn’t have a starter motor? Reason l ask is because it still has a regular 12 volt battery.
@@Marks.Reviews all hybrids and electrics have a 12v. even the ones that went to a single generator/starter on the motor. a bunch of the cars electrics need 12v and a separate 12v is the best way to do it.
"Diluted" 😂 I am stealing that one for sure
I test drove the Kakadu this week .
That boot configuration is awful. Rear seats not able to slide forward or back is a steep in the wrong direction too. Lovely interior though, cameras are high quality at last too!
I have a late model VX with the same engine and honestly I didn’t find the drive of the new one as refined. It feels like a heavier vehicle vs the old one.
I need a 7 seater option, so that boot is a deal breaker. Not to mention the gaps that exist ALL round the square platform created by the folded seats and flimsy storage box that make up the floor of the boot.
Love the looks but that’s it. Not in a hurry at all to upgrade.
Was going to get one of these but ended up with an Everest. Cheaper, bigger engine, all the tech that I want. Won't be keeping it for more than 5 years so I'm not concerned about long term reliability
body on frame vehicles were never good for interior space. The floor is high due to the frame, that eats into the interior height. Add hybrid batteries, solid rear axle, fuel tank, and spare tire underneath then you're left with very limited space. That's what happened to the Toyota sequoia. If you want space and three row, then it's going to have to be an unibody vehicle.
@@pastorofmuppets8834 the only thing that concerns me about the Ford is the way the dealers/company seem to leave people with genuine warranty claims swinging. Toyota aren’t great but I believe Ford AU are one of the worst.
@pantoqwerty it depends a lot on the dealer I reckon. I've heard horror stories from every manufacturer except Lexus (lots from Toyota!)
My dealership is really good but despite owning 3 fords over the last seven years I've only had one relatively major issue (differential) which was fixed no questions asked. Had a fortuner as a loan car (hired, reimbursed by ford). Same 2.8 engine as in the newPrado.
It was awful.
If I had only driven it off road it would have been fine. But I would hate to own one and drive it on the road as a daily!
@@pastorofmuppets8834 unfortunately some of the worst is from Ford themselves.
This is making me love my 2022 Fortuner heaps (which I ripped the back seats out of in the first week) light, powerful engine, simple
We’d ordered a GXL, went to view it yesterday, and the 2 seats in the boot changed our minds immediately. SO restrictive! Had to change to the Altitude to get the boot space we’d use.
I was lining up for the 250 with the major price rise not sitting well but regardless still thought how good the 150 was for a growing family, surely this will be even better. When the dealer wanted huge amounts of deposit from me to keep a place in a queue and photos of the boot started showing up, plus the notion of the same 4 cyl and heavier car, then the lack of rear leg room and no sliding bench, it all started to fall apart from me. I wasn't paying $10k more, for less, and have to wait 12 months or more for the privilege. Needless to say a certain other V6 10 Speed now has my money and will arrive before Xmas complete with lifted remote res shocks, 33s from factory and a proper amount of legroom including generous boot space WITH the third row up.
That would be a Tremor ?
@@-PORK-CHOP- Don't think the tremor comes with a third row lol... I reckon he's talking about the lexus gx.
@@orangejuicepony6881 Everest?
LC 300 😌
I think a 76 is the go now, the reduced fuel onboard, compromised boot and ad-blue and driver monitoring. My 120 seems to make more sense. Prado 250 seems to have lost its way as the great Aussie tourer.
The 2 choices in my mind are the more agricultural 76 over the GX 250 or the GX 300 over the 250 Altitude depending on how much wealth you want to be parted from. The Everest seems reasonable but I don’t think I could bring myself to do it.
wish we had the utilitarian 76 wagons LC 300 GX in the U.S. all our wagons are more of a fully loaded 3 row luxury family school bus
Toyota Australia is taking their customers for a ride. Even Switzerland has a regular, non-hybrid 8 speed diesel, with option for 600nm torque. This hybrid setup is completely in opposition to the storage, weight and reliability needs of a 4x4. I think this is really positioned as a primarily city car, while the 300 is the upsell for more serious off-roading. Prado is absolutely positioned to push regular off-roaders up to the 300.
I got to have a good look at a vx over here in NZ that a customer of mine just got about a week ago, he's a farmer and pretty much the first thing he did was take it off road into one of the paddocks his workers were cultivating, I had a look over it later that day.
Noted most of the same things you did, loved the ease of servicability it seems the have, bu the 2 things that I wasn't too happy with were how the rear sway bar links are designed, right in the wheel well and will definitely get hammered especially in aussie conditions. (Lived in perth a while) The other thing is also to do with that rear wheel well, there's no real protection from mud and dirt off the rear tyre making it's way into the passengers cabin, if you have a look you'll see that the rear door seals are quite soft and don't have much crush. Even after 1 day off road it looked to me like dirt dust and mud will easily make it's way in.
Again in dusty red dirt conditions 100% you'll get dust ingress into the passengers cabin section. Take it through some wet spots and you'll see straight away what I'm talking about.
Otherwise seems like a decent truck.
NZ versions suck even more. As all models come in 7 seater configuration only! No choice. Meaning you have to put up with that boot space and the folding seat adjustment.
An absolute step backward from the 150, cant imagine buying one of these unfortunatly.
Toyota needs to kill off the 48V and have it as an optional extra. Most won't want it.
why's that mate? (I'm considering 48v for an upcoming dual battery setup). Cheers
Yes - or perhaps import a UK version
I was absolutely dumbfounded when I saw this in person today. I just can’t believe anyone at Toyota thought it was even remotely ok to dish up that rear cargo space. Imagine being one of the sheep who’s dropped a deposit on one of these unseen, only to walk in to the dealer and open the tailgate. Overall, it feel tinny too, bonnet and doors feel light. Some really dodgy plastic trims interior and exterior too.
The sheep can simply request their deposit back! 12 to 24 month wait according to some dealers in South East QLD so the dealer can pass the cancelled order onto the next person!
Brad at TrailRecon already clarified the 60 kg issue is only for that little rear storage compartment, not the battery platform.
The car care nut disagrees.
Glad, i bought the last of 150s, Jan 2024🎉
Peak Prado!
Wow 100k vehicle comes with some K-mart plastic tubs.. Toyota is taking their loyal fans for the piss.
Toyota have been taking the piss for at least 10 years now so that's no surprise
lane assist, dmc, dpf, and auto stop/start are most annoying things we have to deal with in modern cars
I have never been more distracted than in new cars. They are constantly beeping at you and showing stupid symbols and messages. Been driving since I was 13 around 2002. Never had an accident. I got a company car and nearly crashed the first week because the screens changed colour, it started beeping loudly and a huge message popped up so my instinct was to read it....luckily I slammed on the brakes before rear ending someone. And that super important message?
"You have been driving for more than one hour consider taking a break" and a coffee cup symbol
The 60kg limit is only for the tiny bit of board over the storage cubby, not the entire floor area. This was confirmed by Toyota for our Land Cruisers in the USDM.
But then if something breaks how will we say cover under warranty and they say because you crossed limit of 60kg
@ernishant13 how will they prove you've gone over 60kg if there's no damage?
The lack of disclosure from Toyota and their dealers on the release of the 250 speaks volumes. The whole rear area has a 60kg limit period! Get a release from your Oncologist just in case you fry your nuts when seated in the rear.
@@ernishant13 it's only the plastic lid. If it breaks it won't be a warranty claim and it'll be a cheap eBay purchase to replace it.
Land rover packaged the 48v system far better in the defender as they kept the spare on the rear door. If Toyota had done this it seems feasible that the boot would be flat as the 48v system could have sat below the boot floor level.
The Land Rover Defender is not a body on frame car, it's a unibody just like a normal car and it doesn't have a solid rear axle. That means there is more floor space.
@maxKporter that is correct, but the space taken up by the prado spare wheel can't be overlooked. I am still trying to wrap my head around the decision to move the wheel underneath. I'm sure they had their reasons.
@@user-pp6kw6yl6zrear glass opener - for the suburb cruisers
Real off-road prado should have a rear wheel and ignore the split dual method tail
@@user-pp6kw6yl6z Cost me 7K to move the spare back to where it should be on my 300 for the Kaymar bar.
@@maxKporter I considered the new 110 version but too many faults for years and not worth the 150k AUD asking price
82k for a GX that does not even come with a locker, that's a basic feature now a days. I am in the states at the moment and every model comes with a locker even the base, its also only slightly more expensive than the GX in Aus and has a newer modern petrol hybrid. Toyota is tacking the piss, ill pass.
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@@angusmcfadzeanh2707 Media listed it at 72k but the Toyota site has it at 82k
@@Khaos_1325 I think media price is before on roads-GX on road in QLD is $82
Over here in New Zealand, we got the same problems. However, we only get the 7 seater for now. Apparently, there bringing a 5-seater sometime next year.
My parents were very keen at getting a new prado to replace my mum's mitsubishi truck.
However, due to the stupid boot design, the limited demand, the blue liquid that you HAVE to fill up despite it being for US emissions not NZ ones and you cant start the car without it, low spec levels for NZ models so ours dont get half what the aussie get, plus the price of $105K which is $20K more then the old one yet doesn't drive any better or is any more comfortable.
we ended up getting a slightly older Lexus LX as it was much better for the money, way more comfortable, actually has more features, and still capable offroad with feeling like a tractor, and was cheaper by $30K compared to the new prado
It took 15 years for Toyota to redesign the Prado and someone forgot they need to carry a big battery in the boot. Add a plastic box that looks cheaper than the boxes you buy from Temu.
I'd be looking at a base level 300 instead of any of those. More power. More gears. Better towing ability. No 48v crap. No AdBlue crap.
By the time you spend $90K on a Prado, you might as well spend $100K on a 300. (note - prices are just a wild guess - but the differential between the two isn't going to be all that much).
$75k vs $100k
Australia's aversion to petrol is baffling to me. My ideal config would be the 2.4l turbo petrol, more power, more boot space, no dpf or adblue. Would be cheaper too
why is 48v crap? (I'm considering it for an upcoming dusal battery setup). cheers
@@rarekid740 2.4turbo hybrid will come in over the next few years - as will 5 seat options for all variants given the negative feedback
Better touring range? They both have 110l fuel tank
The DMC also works with the Traffic Jam Assist hand’s free driving system. (Autonomous at speeds under 25 mph in traffic.) Makes sure you’re paying attention when hands free. Also that 60 Kg limit on the back is for that small little hatch. Not the full cargo area. In the US model you can’t do Tow/Haul mode and cruise control at the same time. I just drove a Hilux with the 2.8 and wish we could get that engine here in the USA.
I’m so glad I bought a Y62 Patrol. Bigger, stronger, more space, better quality, leather, V8 etc. 15k cheaper than the gxl and 40k less than a 300.
We waited for recent release in NZ. Booked our test drive. Demo vehicle was 7 seater. We opened the boot and that was the end of our thoughts to replace our current 2021 Prado. Sales people said we could possibly get one sooner because there were quite a few cancelled orders. That was about 4 weeks ago. Like the car except for one very important space or should I say non-space.
250 series has been here in NZ now for the past month & we drove one a couple of weeks ago- boot configuration in the 7 seater with the 3rd row folded down is a massive drawback, just not enough space. Going to stick with my 2005 120 series- put the 3rd row of seeds in the the odd occasion we need them, otherwise rip them out & use the space on long trips.
Thanks for the awesome review. Was totally shocked at how much space was taken up in the boot in all 5 models tho that 250mm height in the GXL, VX & Kakadu is ridiculous. Not to mention the adblue & loss of 150L fuel tank. These are some of the reasons I'm feeling very relieved that I bought one of the last brand new 2023 Kakadu's in May this year as I didn't like the look of the new FJ looking Prado either. I think once people realise all the negatives with this newer model the 150 series Prado's are going to hold their value like nothing else.
In the USA the base model comes standard with centre and rear differential locks. Here you have to spend another $20k over the GX for the Altitude.
Just give me a modernised 100 series. Similar size to the Prado but better architecture, fold down tailgate, removable third row seats, optional front and rear locks and 120l fuel capacity.
Yeah mate nail on the head. 300 was and is a value disappointment. You know they removed the fold down armrests and auto wipers from the GXL 300! It's a $100k car!
No split tailgate. Back seats no better than a Ute. And they cost a fortune. And of course, ad blue, the same 2.8 in everything.
I always loved Toyota's. I held them the highest. But they stopped making anything I liked years ago.
I cancelled my VX order and picked up a 300. I know a big jump in price but the space usability in the car was a big factor. Also no Adblue/DEF to worry about. Edit to add that if I got a Prado in the future it'd be the GX.
Prado second row space looks like my hilux
I think you made a very wise decision.
I’m thinking of saving my pennies for the GX 300.
Why the 300 does not have AdBlue? Shouldn't all modern diesel engine come with Adblue?
@@mozartheart2958 old car now if a new model was to replace it will need adblue
Totally agree on the boot. Saw one at my local dealer and the space with that box and the 3rd row is ridiculous
Just ordered the altitude. I know it’s expensive but it’s got all the tech and comfort. To be honest i could have just got the gx but thats what i got when i bought my 200 back in 2015. Then i spent about $50000 on it to make it look,sound and perform better. I’m over all the modification stuff now and just wanted something standard that i could comfortably drive anywhere. Just my thoughts.
Agreed. I have an Altitude with my name on it at my local dealer- have checked it out already. Will decide after a test drive. Hate the boot in the GXL, VX, and Kakadu!
Can you tell me the waiting period for prado. Because many people are saying that prado’s are in high demand and tough to get hands on one
@@pavansai9066
Six months.
Firewall passenger side battery is a good thing IMO. Smoother ride for it, better weight distribution with it inside the wheel base, It should help these new lead acid battery's we get now last a bit longer. I remember my old BJ40 used to shake a battery apart every 2 years like clockwork.. The fix was to place it right out the front on the Bull Bar. Only one problem was I lost 3 battery's and not due to them being mounted incorrectly. I eventually fixed that problem and it was to give the thief my battery charger. LOL He never took my battery again.
6:25 NOx! DPF and Adblue have nothing in common: DPF=> "particulate Filer". AdBlue => NOx neutralizing by chemicals. The MOST important thing on a modern diesel; in most parts of the world. Not so much in a desert, obviously.
btw: AdBlue is actually a pretty genius thing, considering how simple it works.
$82k starting price for a GX (no doubt they will be more when they actually arrive at the dealers). Comes without diff lockers and the same 2.8L engine as in a 4 yr old Fortuner which has a rear diff locker.
This new Prado has been pitched as a city dweller runabout shopping car to cart the kids to school & sports etc and not as an offroader. They are trying to sell upsell you into a 300 for that purpose.
You would be far better off spending money on your existing 120/150 Prado to upgrade/customise it as required for your lifestyle. For instance our Prado has E-lockers front & rear and many other mods to make it a beast for all round duties.
Many shops doing engine rebuilds/swaps these days if your engine is tired. Same goes for Trans & diffs & transfer cases etc.
The biggest issue with so much more electronics crammed into these new models they are becomming so much not suitable for offroading as to much risk of an error code popping up leaving you stranded in the bush. Always wise to offroad on a non complex 4WD
Ad-blue is to reduce NOX emissions, DPF to reduce particulate emissions.
I am about to cancel my December 2024 delivery of my Prado VX and have now picked up a 300 VX
I think you made a very good decision.
@ 100% agree
Great move, love my VX. That 2.8l engine is a disgrace
Sorry fellas but a y62 warrior would blow the door of both of them in every way possible, go drive one you’ll be impressed
I think I’ll cancle my order too and bought a 300
If i had the money the gx would be my pick of the bunch
Exactly. And spend that 20k+ saved from the Altitude on some serious kit.
No locker, just get a cheaper wagon
I drove the GX today and it's my pick. Annoying though no electric seats and clothe trim
Toyota’s best looking model in 2024 is the Camry.
Holding onto my pre DPF 76 series becomes more and more appealing everytime a new vehicle is released with the exception of the Grenadier (but I don't do 1st generation vehicles so that's out of the question for now)
We had our name down for a VX - having put down a deposit back in Sept 23 and were due to get the car in early December. We ended up changing the contract a month back over to the Altitude, as the terrible colour choices in VX - meant we were taking an all black car as the best of a bad bunch and it felt a compromise. I suspect many people will now switch over to the Altitude given that 7seat/poor boot design. Where that places ourselves and everyone else in the queue will be interesting. It may actually be better to wait a year or two anyway for any issues to be identified and ironed out.
Cancelling my GXL tomorrow!!
They need ad-blue to meet Euro 6 emissions because a DPF isn’t enough any more. Nice to see they have caught up to the 2004 Ford Territory with the separate tailgate window opening. I’ve owned a couple of Territories and it was a brilliant feature. That 3rd row is a disaster, talk about looking like an afterthought. I was pretty keen on the new Prado but I’ll probably stick with my Land Cruiser.
Altitudes in the 150 also had the separate window opening, they just aren’t as common as they ditch the rear wheel and drop 63L of fuel capacity
Would choose the grenedier
@@Taktko price point tips it over the scale for me and ongoing issues, also they just lost their seat manufacturer Ricardo so huge backlog of orders globally at the moment
There are too many CONs/downgrades over my current VX Prado for me to even consider it at this price. I'm sure new Prado owners will love it because they don't know what they are missing out on. Let's hope they rethink things for version 2...I have plenty of time to wait.
@@Xon333 Yep. That’s my view. Let the heat die down. In a couple of years may have a few more Prado options. Like full hybrid and large engine for towing. And no bloody Adblue.
Great work, who would have thought it! Thanks for posting again.
I wish we could get the 2.8l diesel hybrid here in the States. also wish they'd just call it the Prado over here.
Could care less what they call it...but the diesel option would be nice. Problem is diesel engines just don't sell all that well here so no chance we'll get it.
In the USA this past week. Saw one driving tonight I like the look of them obviously didn’t see inside it. But look quiet nice
We already got this car a few months back, and I saw many people reporting issues with the fuel system online.
Honestly, take budget out of the equation, the only one I like is the Lexus Overtrail, great engine, great interior, all the tech and no intrusive compartment in the rear.
@@tareskisloki8579 and only 6 month wait for the OT, that’s why we decided on the GX 550
As someone who has owned every landcruiser model since the 1980s including the 300 (hated it). I have noticed toyota give us less and less eg loss of dual fuel tanks, poorer quality. This prado has design faults eg poor 2nd row leg room, stupid third row seating and cargo area etc. the new 70 is a hilux from the dash forward. The 300 has stupid positioning of the fuel filter, drummy aluminium body panels and snorkels that allow water in. I hope grenandier fix the drivers floor hump, put the speedo i front of the driver and sort the diff lock set up. First time ever Id buy something else and toyota can 🖕
Glad you still have several trims available there..here in the Philippines, we only get one, and it is a 2.4L gas, 7-seats non hybrid, ‘62 version with three available colors and in mono tone only.
You have me mildly interested,BUT definitely GX 5 seater!
Love the 3rd row seats in my discovery 4. They fold completely flush with the floor. Anyway this new Prado is a very nice looking car, still stick with my pre 2017 land rovers for now, as someone who doesn't mind doing mechanical work it's completely fine with me
In South Africa we get the TX. That’s the one to get. 7 seats and the boot is level with the trim at the boot latch. We @nomadicgear has done a 3rd row seat delete with boot platform and access to the massive cavity underneath.
Is it 1GD non 48v hybrid?
@@Xale-yt it is a 2.8GD6 auto. Non hybrid.
We’re looking at it as a daily and a tow vehicle. Keeping my hilux for off-road.
Therefore we are keen on a 7 seater as well be able to ferry the kids and their friends around town but still have the ability to do some touring with a caravan in 5-seat mode.
The second row seat set up is like Prado 120; battery further back is not a bad idea for weight distribution- 20kg rear of axle is always better -
LOL. Those back seats fold exactly the same as my 80 series seats.
Strange Australia’s waiting for these for so long - lots on the road here in South Africa
What are people thinking of them over there mate , I have a 150 Prado and love it ,after having a 75 series troopy for 12 years which I loved as well. I don’t mind the new one
Australia is Landcruisers biggest market but they know Aussies will buy anything badged Landcruiser. Morons like me. So we get it last, after America (who it was actually designed for not us this time). After England had it released even. And of course we get price gouged and, we don't even get the cool headlight option.
@ I’m not convinced personally- I’d pick up a late model 200 or even a 300 rather…. But they’re selling like hot cakes here.
DPF & AdBlue will be to qualify for Euro 6 emission standards which come into full effect Jan 26.
“The Federal Government will require all new cars, SUVs and light commercial vehicles - which encompasses most utes and vans - introduced to Australia from December 2025 to meet Euro 6d standards”
Dpf lowers particulate emissions where as ad blue reduces nox emissions. So both are necessary to meet new environmental regs
Compare it to a 2.8L auto GXL Troopy for outback travel - Troopy has 1200kg payload, 180L fuel tanks, twin lockers - absolute no-brainer - way better than the Prado if you don't mind the basic features. Previous Prados were good for outback travel but not this one.
Toyota have told me my Kakadu is on the dock. 2 weeks until delivery. I have asked about the rear seats being removed in it and they said it will "likely" void the warranty. So im thinking about downgrading to the Altitude. This will mean i go to the back of the queue. likely 6-8 month wait! Can believe they have cocked this up sop much!
So many issues, and you didn't even mention the reduction in fuel capacity. I'm calling the 150 'Peak Prado'. And some will even say 150 pre DPF (1KD) was the peak.
The 2008-2009 120 1KD Prado is the peak prado. Will never be bettered.
120 the worst, and 150 the second worst.
@@cootha8631 Agreed, I loved my 120...
@@svein-haraldribland8559 🤣
@@cootha8631 I'd take a 120 over the 250, and any other 4WD. And I'd take the 180 litre fuel tank over the 150's 150 litre. It's a close call, but I still prefer the 150. I'm still undecided about the 1GD over the 1KD - although I listen to Anthony with keen interest!
Makes me even more happier with the Fortuner
There is just the 2 of us. Our GX delivered to dealer last week, pick up next week. Based on your review, happy didn't pay the extra for the GXL
The new fortuner also has the auto closing tailgate with the incredibly loud beeping. Don’t you think that’s going to be the worst thing ever for camping? I can’t imagine that noise in the bush
Regarding DEF/AdBlue as well as DPF, it's required to meet Euro 6e emissions standards which has been required for all new type approvals since September 2023 and all new vehicles since September 2024. Toyota probably decided it was cheaper just to sell Euro 6e homologated vehicles to the Australian market and not worry about redeveloping an Australia-specific version.
Australian Toyota sales account for less than 3% of total world wide sales, we aren't considered for country specific vehicle design because the total sales wouldn't improve anything for them.
@@Capt_SambaI would agree with you but then, Germany sells less landcruiser than Australia but still has a different engine setup without the 48V system, at least as far as current information states.
yeah i can see china going euro 6--- lol what a joke
What happens if you let the adblue run empty?
@@PLAYER2035
What happens if my vehicle runs out of AdBlue®?
It will automatically shift into a reduced power mode so you can get home. It will not restart if the engine is turned off and the AdBlue® tank is empty.
I am so disappointed in the rear area and no struts for the engine bay, I would rather buy the bottom spec 300. Boot is better, better engine for towing all for the same price as top spec Prado.
All 7 seaters in NZ. Off roading is my second priority therefore I ordered GXL for same practicality while lower cost. I look forward to after market fix when I need more rear space, drawers etc.
Should be able to order gel and adventure as 5 seater next month
@ That will be great news for me. However, I suspect NZ will follow Australia with cloth trim GX and Adventure(Altitude).
Hi Ronny , I think you guys tend to forget these Vehicles are designed in the Tahara Aichi Plant in Japan for several world markets including Australasia, Africa , Middle East and South America and finally the USA & Europe . The Prado Landcruiser's Project Chief Designer is Yoshito Watanabe with Ji-Won Kim & Kosake Kubo, & Tokika Hirai as the Exterior design team and Hidemasa Komatsu & Naoki Hamajima as the Interior Designers. So these Engineers are not going to please all of the thousands of Print and "youtube" Automotive reviewers worldwide, remember that there are two plants in Japan manufacturing the Prado / LC250 and the Lexus GX550 models and the one Plant in Chengdu in the (FAN Toyota Plant ) in Eastern China producing the Prado Model
Surely there's a few other names you could have dropped?
Any review is naturally an individuals perspective, there's nothing that I disagree about in this video or is unreasonable given the Australian market. 250mm is a long way up when you're lifting in shopping or a kids pram. Toyota appears to have lost it's way over the years. I was a massive Toyota fan (owned several Landcruiser's and Hilux's in my time) but they have overpriced themselves.
I drive a Ford Ranger these days, very happy with it. If 20year ago me was told that I wouldn't have believed you for a second. But there you go.
His point is more….the old one had this and did that whereas the new one doesn’t and can’t. More cost less capability is not a selling point.
@@pantoqwerty brilliant break down😀👍
Uncannily similar to my 2024 Tacoma -- though it has some uprated trim. Even though the engine is different on that prado, it looks surprisingly familiar in arrangement to the Tacoma.
Toyota NZ have listened to feedback and are now bringing in 2 five seat models. I had the 7 seat model ordered now changed to 5 seat model afer the dealer called me. He saw how disappointed I was when I saw the back during the demo drive.
Which dealership did you book from, I would like to change mine to 5 seater?
Ilam Toyota in Christchurch@@sumertak7665
Lexus GX is the buy now. Way better. Obviously big price difference.
@@bvelite7321 Toyota are taking the piss overall, such a fall of a giant here in Australia…
At least you guys are getting the 7 seat variants. US only gets 5 seaters.
Thanks Ronny for these details. Toyota really should do better on 7 seater rear aesthetic. It actually could look better without the storage thing. ONE note that the height of the box is actually like 21cm instead of 25cm.
Tow haul will hold more rpm and also the important bit keep the torque converter locked. Well, that's what my ranger does in sports mode anyway.
Which is why I've focused on my custom built gq dual cab, almost ready, non def dpf adblue, blow a fuse and shut down shite, can't afford to wait 10 years for a delivery, spend 20 years eating two minute noodles, paying it off in debt, horse dung vehicles full of more plastic than a self afleuncer.
I would rather put a 100k into something reliable and capable and diy it, thsn invest in a premade expensive vehicle, with a loss of 80% value in 10 years crap any day.
Short term loss, long-term gain 👍
ready in time for my 40th.
Have you had a stroke or something?
I checked out the GXL at a local dealership. For off roading or travelling purposes a little disappointing for the reason you highlighted. Am considering the Altitude for sway-bar and diff locker options. Other options appear to be your typical suburban vehicle, with potential for interstate driving on the east coast. For long distance touring and off roading still prefer 76.
Haven't people realised that most vehicles Turdota produce are for people who don't care about cars & trucks.
These Prado’s have been in showrooms for a couple of weeks now “In Victoria, just can’t test drive yet” but you can sit in them etc, so I don’t get vloggers etc stating they can’t see the car yet..
Its just like the LC200 and the newer LC300,middle seats dont slide,fuel tank smaller,no split tailgate,split sun visor gone,smaller in many areas.Just glad we picked up one of the last LC200s.What were they thinking?
Rear seats fold like my 120's...that's it, literally no reason to upgrade 😂😂😂
My lease on my Everest runs out in 2 years and I was going to swap to the new prado, but this looks like a step back
No one wants a hybrid!! Would rather just have a 4 cylinder turbo.
old man shaking fist at technology
I-Force Max in the USA Toyota’s looks very promising…
@@TheDarkhorse82 old man shaking fist at technology -> when that shit gives up on you in the middle of nowhere that’s exactly what you’d be doing.
Before you even think of writing “most of these don’t go off road” it’s worth considering that in that case there’s way better vehicles to buy than this.
I do. I willl not even look at one until I get my hands on a hybrid test vehicle. Give it a bit of time you will see forums burning about the the euro 6 diesel. I live in Europe, we had them for almost a decade now. Come back to me in a couple of years and let me know how that diesel worked out for you.
It’s rather amusing people who say they are “anti-technology” yet are driving vehicles with an ECU processing lighting fast calculations, injection systems with incredibly high PSI pressures and ABS and airbags and seatbelts that can protect you in an accident in micro seconds etc etc etc … in many cases these things have been in service for many years … I have not heard of an epidemic of Toyota Hilux ECU failures, just as an example of “technology” that works and lasts for decades; so engineering technology rocks.
However, no problem if people wait to see if there are any typical new model problems and just wait a year or two.
I would get the GX 550 (Lexus) best of the bunch! 😊
It absolutely is, but for Australia, even if you put long-range tank into it, it's just not the greatest touring range. It's ideal car for West US with gas pump right before trail start.
You've seen the issues Grenadier had with range, and GX is thirstier. And there isn't that much space for bigger long-range tank than +/- 60 additional litres.
Still, the GX is like clear winner. E-KDSS at half the cost of 300 GR (the only 300-series with KDSS), V6TT, cohesive looks (550 was designed first, 250 just chopped the front&back from it)
I’m interested to see the longevity of these stop start diesel engines, I know diesel engines are built to run for long periods and idle perfectly, I’ve always been told that to not always drive my hilux to the shops and back and try and keep the engine running as long as possible
Save your money and buy a 300.
Hi Ronny, i have a question regarding your LC76, have you done GVM upgrade and rear track correction? I hope you could do a full video of the mods you have done with your LC76 and breakdown of the cost. All the best mate!
Putting a critical system in the storage compartment thereby limiting what one can do with it is absurd. Suspect it would need to be accessible for servicing, so no drawers, no fridge in a touring vehicle 🤦♂️
There is no regular servicing on hybrid batteries. It's in roughly the same location in the Camry etc.
@ as long as everything works ok. And it’s not the same system
Regarding the front diff lock: It seems that Toyota is depending on A-Trac to do that work. Overall, the issue with the boot is a deal breaker, at least for me. I didn't know the one in Australia will come with a battery!
had great expectations for Series 250 but Toyota didn’t delivery on space and usability beyond the front row and some of the looks … crap interior space and seating in 2nd and 3rd rows … how could they get this so wrong after years of potential mocks ups and feedback?
In regards to that 60kg limit in the back of the GX and Altitude, the US version also has a weight limit. The US version’s weight limit is in reference to the storage area’s lid(board), not the battery area. It also appears for our Aussie version, that 60kg weight limit is also referring to the storage area’s lid(board) and not the battery area. Don’t go sitting on that area with your legs hanging over the bumper which many have done in the past with wagons.
I have always wondered where Toyota would put that 48 volt battery after seeing the reviews of the system on the Hilux which has it under the rear seat. Now that l have seen the storage design for the 7 seater, my heart which has been on the Altitude grade in the past, is now even more so. Also GX is now looking more interesting.
I can now see why the US didn’t go for a 7 seat option with their hybrid only models. They most likely would have ended up with a similar storage design, for the third seat and battery.
Altitude would be the most capable and safest grade, thanks to lock diff, sway bar disconnect and HUD (which helps keep your eyes more on the road).
Also I’d be interested to know if the 48v battery on the Prado, is the same capacity as the Hilux?
Was thinking of getting the new Altitude but at the price I’m getting a gxl 300 instead and that boot. What a joke.
In Czech Republick (EU) we are lucky - pure 2,8 Diesel, no baterry, maybe engine outuput is not so high, but its not race car. And turnk i HUGE.
in Slovakia, only the top model (Executive, since First Edition is gone) has Sway Bar Disconnect, which is absurd given in LC 150 top 4 trims had KDSS.
Toyota Europe plans to introduce the Mild Hybrid in 2026 I think for 250.
The 2.4L engine on that big body should be d deal breaker for anyone who knows cars and a bit of physics.
2.4L Gas is for other markets, these ones are 2.8L Diesels which also powered the 150 series.
my $8000 2007 Q7 knows when a trailer is on and it changes to suit,
its nice toyota did it 17 years later