Wii Prototype Controller - For GameCube?! - H4G
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- We look at a prototype Wii Remote, Nunchuk, and Sensor bar....for GameCube!? Looks like the equipment was in development for the Wii, but being tested with existing hardware, IE: the GameCube.
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No one ever mentions that the Wii Remote was first in development as a GameCube accessory. After stuff like Guitar Hero and DDR proved popular on the PlayStation 2, Nintendo announced that they had no intention of releasing a next generation system to compete with the then-upcoming XBOX 360 and PlayStation 3. Instead, they said they would extend the life of the GameCube with new and innovative accessories that similarly enable new gameplay experiences. They specifically said this was because the extra horsepower of the 360 and PS3 did nothing for enabling new kinds of gameplay and the GC was powerful enough to play pretty much any game that could be made for those without watering down the gameplay (watered down graphics, of course). You have to remember that this was right after the DS had proved a hit by having gameplay experiences you couldn't duplicate on the PSP even with the extra horsepower.
Anyway, Nintendo clearly made an effort to do what they said. You got stuff like DDR Mario Mix (dance mat), Mario Party 5 (mic), Odama (mic+controller clip), Donkey Konga 1 & 2 (bongo controller), Wario Ware Mega Party Games (GBA), DK Jungle Beat (bongos), and more.
DK Barrel Blast was supposed to be a bongo game on GCN too but it got delayed and released as a Wii game. Chibi Robo, on the other hand, was released with standard GCN controls despite originally being designed for a new GC controller: the pointer remote that eventually became the Wii Remote.
The GCN was not a very successful system and making a series of pointer remote games for it would only further fragment the GCN's already small portion of the gaming market. Someone recognized that it had way too much potential to be wasted on such a thing (GCN Chibi Robo!) and, instead, decided to make it the standard controller for what is essentially a relaunch of GCN hardware: The Wii. That would ensure that every subsequent game supports it and they could update/modernize in other ways (internal storage, SD card, WiFi, Bluetooth, USB, extra memory, better clock speeds, etc).
In a way, they stuck to their guns about not releasing a higher performance console to compete on specs in that generation... and despite everyone moaning and groaning about the Wii's performance, Nintendo proved it was the right choice by setting unbelievable sales records (easily outselling the others). The pointer remote never could have done that for the GameCube and anything 360/PS3-class never would have sold as many due to price so they clearly made the right choice.
I don't think the earliest Chibi Robo versions of the pointer remote had accelerometers inside and were pretty much just the IR pointer and some buttons. All the fancy stuff like speaker, accelerometers, wireless, in-controller storage, etc came about when they expanded the scope with aims to make it a standard controller. Because the Wii is a GCN, it makes sense that Metroid Prime 3 and other Wii Remote games started development on GCN Dev units with prototype controller hardware, but I do wonder if they ever intended to release MP3 Corruption on GCN with the pointer remote. ;)
It is very fortunate that they realized that releasing motion controls for the Gamecube instead of making a new console was a bad idea. Could you imagine if they had gone through with that plan and never released the Wii? Not only would the company be in a very different place today but there would have probably only been like 10 games on the Gamecube that supported the motion controls and out of those only 3-4 would have been worth playing.
@@HerecomestheCalavera ...and hardly anyone would have played them. :( Only the most hardcore Nintendo fans, really.
By the time they made a new console someone else in the market would have taken the underutilized idea from the Gamecube and made something similar, watering down Nintendo's own potential with a new console and making it seem less novel, even if it was 360/PS3-class in performance.
Ive heard this mentioned many times in h4g videos
Wow nice stuff here in this comment section
Wow 🤔
The clicky buttons are micro switches, while the mushy ones are rubber domes
Neonfuz correct
The wii mote still uses some but not for the d pad or a and b
I believe the term is "membrane".
@@tswan137 I don't think it's a membrane unless it was laid out on a thin piece of 2 fused pieces of plastic, I would call it a Rubber Dome key myself.
@@hanakomisa Different strokes, different folks lmao
You're describing what I would call a membrane. We've used the term for keyboards for decades.
@@tswan137 Eh I still wouldn't call it membrane as the circuit was laid out on a PCB, but I suppose we see things on different sides.
Seriously one of the most underrated channels on RUclips. Maybe even the internet.
Mark Vaughn very surprised they haven’t picked up more of a following. I’ve said it in the past but Tony should do a solo channel and I think he would have more success
My thoughts exactly. Earlier videos had a less serious tone, like kind of goofy, which I didn’t like, however their actual content was great. I think they deserve a larger fan based their content is top notch.
I think they're both great and do great content on their own, however I think they're at their best when together. As for their earlier videos being less serious? You realize the name of this channel, right? Lol. It's even in the theme song... "we're hard for games." Also one of the most underrated theme songs!
The name really puts me off and did for years but eventually I saw a vid I had to watch and found out it was all really good stuff.
They are documenting literal history
It's amazing to think that a GameCube could be used as a Wii Devkit.
All you gotta do, is overclock it, put in a hard drive, put in more ram, and a full size DVD drive. Then you could install the Wii OS and use it as a Wii. I'll bet it's not so easy, but it's a fun thought.
Nah, I hardly doubt Mario Galaxy would run on such a thing cuz it was designed with Wii specs since day 1.
I doubt overlocking would help a lot. The wiis cpu has double the performance and a better gpu. Many people don’t realise that the Wii is much more of a GameCube Pro then a GameCube with a new controller in terms of power
Does it work with a Wii that has the Gamecube controller and memory card slots?
This may be devkit only. I GameCube would not recognize this controller correctly and you'll get weird results, you'd need a game specifically made to use this controller to work.
And the Wii won't recognize these either for the same reasons
@@mspeter97 Duh, but the Wii is easily hacked and has upgraded RAM. He's asking if they could run the dev stuff on a hacked or dev Wii with GC ports. Maybe a dev Wii has even more memory...
@@emmettturner9452 No. I was asking if they could hook this up to the Wii and see if it will work with the Wii games. I wasn't being that clever. Lol
@@mspeter97 Makes sense. Cheers.
Nope, in the video he said the only games that could use it ran on GameCube dev kits so you're limited to GameCube dev kits (and maybe Wii/Dolphin dev kits).
The Metroid Prime demo can be played on a GDEV - so you either need ODEM card and cables or a NPDP cart and a NPDP writer... GDEV has GC controller ports and memory card ports. Will these controllers not function with GDEV?
*Imagine giving birth to a cube*
@HowToBasic JR. Me too 😀
no
One title for the Cubemote was Super Paper Mario. That was listed in German stores in 2006 as a late GC release.There must be a GC beta of SPM...
Great content as always. Love seeing dev items and oddities like this.
The prototype looks more like a Nintendo product than anything from the Wii-era ever did.
Wii and DS lite success kicked off the “Apple” era in design for Nintendo
I love these beta and prototype hardware and software videos, you deserve more views!
Found my way here while going over old Rayman 4 prototype footage due to the recent leak.
This controller features heavily in Rayman Raving Rabbids' original teaser trailer. The trailer features a family taking turns to play the game.
Seems they went to great lengths to try and hide that black cable in all the footage. All the actors were dressed in long sleeved clothing so they could hide the cable up their sleeves, and they never show the controller exchanging hands without a cut in the footage. It even looks like they may have manually painted out the cable in some shots. However, in a couple shots, you can still see the black cable coming from the control, and running up the actors' sleeves.
I always wondered why the controller looked so different in that trailer, but I never took the time to look into it until now. Feels weird seeing this controller in such clear video quality.
Prototypes usually use off the shelf parts.
Tariq Yasiin Exactly why it used an RJ45 connector for the nunchuck. You could teach a monkey to make those cables.
This is fucking amazing. I took a few Wii remotes apart for tinkering when the Wii launched and I was surprised that the hardware was basically identical to the Gamecube controller. You can actually replace the Nunchuck stick with a Gamecube stick! The Wii really is just a bigger badder Gamecube, so it doesn't surprise me. What a cool piece of hardware! Thanks for the video!
Plug it into the wii! They have Memory Card slots and Gamecube Controller Ports on the older versions
FairButNotReally probably wouldn’t work
@@LiakkDoesStuff you don't know that
FairButNotReally it probably will, since it’s technically a GameCube controller
@@SjorsMaster Wouldnt have to be in the wii menu
FairButNotReally it’s a prototype made for test units that doesn’t work on the retail GameCube and predates the decision to repackage the dolphin hardware as a new console instead of simply releasing the new controllers. It would be really weird if something like this worked on the retail wii albeit very cool
What's wrong with your left thumb? 😕
It's called a clubbed thumb look it up, megan fox has them too. So do i LOL it's funny seeing other people with it and not knowing what it is haaha
I honestly thought that he might’ve had that surgery where they take the big toe to replace a thumb or something like that but your comment makes a lot more sense.
THAT'S where my GBA went! I've been looking for it for months.
My favorite controller is the Xbox 360 wired controller with the analog stick from a gamecube, the D-pad from a Dreamcast controller. The A and X buttons replaced with NES buttons, B and Y replaced with buttons from a Genesis 3 button controller, the left shoulder button from a SNES controller and the right shoulder button from a 3DO controller. The start button from a Sega Saturn and the select button from PS1 controller. And finally the gas and brake pedals from a Microsoft Sidewinder wheel for the left and right triggers. For some reason this controller is called the Colecovision Collision Action Pad even though it is not compatible with a Colecovision nor does it feature any buttons from a Coleco controller. In addition to hooking up to any device that accepts USB controllers it has an adapter so it can also be used on the Atari Jaguar. A polish hacker from Greenland produced 3 and half of them back in 2009. I was lucky enough to get one before he ran out. It is unknown who bought the other two and a half ones. Perhaps one day you can do a video about it. I know I'd smash the like button if you did!
I can't tell if this is completely a joke or not.
Wat in tarnation
I'm not commenting on this video, you can't make me comment ;)
i will NOT respond to this
Me neither
I am toootally not responding to this.
I won't respond to your comment, which means I CAN'T edit my comment!
DingDongBells I’m not even going to watch this video, I’m just going to let the video run for 10 minutes
Amazing episode! Always wanted to get a better look at the prototype controllers!
cool stuff fellas i love seeing any kind of prototype gear and hardware, its awesome to put yourself in the seat of the dudes who were working on and designing them. also damn you were killing me when you were clowning on those goofy thumbs like what happened there broski haha
holy shit its the endangered wild north western gray toe thumb in his natural environment
I've been playing a lot of Wii recently [Xenoblades Chronicles] and I think I would have preferred the GBA like buttons on the controller.
YamaAgni I was just playing xenoblade earlier this year and feel that. It’s definitely one of those wii games that really makes me yearn for GameCube controller support. Was a great time though really enjoyed the combat, exploring the world, story, characters, and most importantly playing large parts of the game with all the guys wearing next to nothing. Not to mention that amazing score
I agree with John, clickyness is King. I'll begin refreshing the page 16 times now. 😊
I loooove how it follows the Gamecube designs
Can’t unsee thumb toe now. Neat video.
The smaller design is cute. I like the length of both the Wii more and joycons so that wiimote will probably feel fine to me if it was in a useable state.
OR.... can you plug the prototype into the Gamecube ports on an early Wii and try to do something with it there?
Are those 64DD discs in orange, red, and yellow on the right of the picture? what?
lol yes...kinda... they are replica disks we made originally for charity. Selling the leftovers. Not functional, just for show/fun!
@@hard4games Oh... I missed that. I was confused about they meant. I know prototype disks are blue and all, so...
Wii can finally confirm that super Mario galaxy 3 legend of zelda skyward sword will be on gamecube
I can't think of a good joke about the "comment to bring up number" comment. Loved the transition back to the lack of a battery slot haha
Either way, this thing is really cool! Always look forward to these vids on Saturday! -Matt
The light grey looks like the same grey DeLoreans always seemed to be painted after they got into an accident. Not sure why that's the first thing I thought when I saw it..
I refreshed sixteen times before commenting, you cannot predict my patterns.
The RJ jack that is used in ethernet is somewhat common as development hardware connector, some dev kits had rj jacks for controller connectors etc.
Calling it ethernet is correct and not as the jack is kinda one thing and the cable standard another.
The RJ jack for 2/4 cables that phones use are also used for stuff like removable cable of IBM keyboards etc as well and seen in consumer products unlike these.
You know what they say about a man with big thumbs?
A Wii prototype controller that so cool
Doesn't Super Mario Galaxy has an unused Wiimote model that looks just like this grey prototype?
Never heard of this,but who knows that nintendo wanted to add innovative gameplay controls to the gamecube in the first place but moved on to the wii.
If you really research you'll find that they really wanted the Gamecube to go further. Personally it's my favorite system, but they were indeed originally going to make the motion sensor for the gamecube, but decided against it since gamecube sales were horrible and had a bad reputation in the day. The Wii basically has even close to the same processor as the gamecube, and the specs are near the same as well. They also hoped to make online play big initially on gamecube, but the only game to really take advantage of it was Fantasy star online, it was also one of the first to have a digital video output, though component cables are now rare and didnt sell well, they even took off the port in later gamecube. Theres a lot of cool things about the system I just love. Like one of the ports on the bottom. No one really knows what it's for, they never made anything for it and also removed it later on. As well as games they never released for it. Idk I just think its interesting and a fun system
I'm fairly certain that the nunchuck was modeled after the middle part of a N64 controller.
Maybe I COULD post in the comments, but will I?
No way im not gonna
Good choice
Xyxxl top ten interesting conversations
God I love this channel
So when are you getting that RAM upgraded? ;)
emukidid damn. Now I can’t stop looking at it.
Kinda surprising that the prototype controller uses an 8p8c connector that's had a strain relief jacket molded in. I would have expected they would be using 8p8c and Cat5 cable since it's an easy way to have 8 conductors in a wire with low crosstalk that can be crimped in a matter of minutes for easy prototyping since crimping together Ethernet cables is easy to do and would make for a nice clean connector. Not to mention that punch down blocks would make for easy break out boards. Strain relief isn't necessary but if they were going to use it I would have expected them to use a slip on boot, instead this has a machine injection overmolded strain relief boot as evidenced by the fact that plastic was flown down into the end of the connector. Machines that do that aren't something you just buy for an office they're expensive as hell, like, factory equipment, so either Nintendo was chopping up pre-made off the shelf patch cables for some reason or perhaps this was relatively late prototype? It couldn't be TOO late in prototyping since Nintendo like any big company would do a lot of validation and a new connector would put a lot of variables in place for that. I would be surprised if they were planning to ship it with an 8p8c connector both since consumers might try to plug the ends into stuff and potentially damage it and because an 8p8c connector really isn't designed for the number of cycles something like a wii nunchuck would see especially since that little clip that holds it in tends to break off. Either way it's really interesting, and that and the GBA buttons make me doubt this was meant to be a "in the hands of consumers and testers" level prototype. I would love to know what's inside the nunchuck, were they using a punchdown block or like, screw terminals or did they solder the cable in?
They literally gave us a huge hint of what the next console was which was gonna be the wii and I'm seriously glad I got to see this
To be honest I wonder if this could work with that prime 3 corruption demo (for the gamecube) But that would need extra ram
but can it emulate a wiimote on dolphin with an adapter? also you guys said prototype so much that youtube thought you were talking about the game lol.
Ik thats why i put it at top
Super fascinating stuff. I can't wait to see what software might come out that supports the "G-mote."
So someone found a Sample Cart of Sonic 1 (he bought it) which he dumped and named Telegames Sonic 1 Pirate because the cart had a Telegames sticker thing on the back and was just called SONIC (if i recall correctly) but apparently it was a pirate, also the ROM is lost from any download link.
The Nunchuck connector, if you look closely enough, is the same as the GC controller's connector but in a rectangle rather than a circle.
Thats a Weird left Thumb Nail dude!!!... Even more than the Wii prototype Controller... xD
This Prototype Was Used On The Rayman 4 Trailer
the connector for the prototype nunchuck is actually RJ45, they probably never intended to use it in final as it is a lot less durable connector and was only used because it was cheap and already there (though yes it is the same connector used for ethernet cables)
These prototypes must've been created between February to July 2003, after the GBA SP was announced in January of that year
How y'all don't have 1mil subs is beyond me.
Maybe it has to do with the fact they are called Hard4Games lol
@Smattless I agree,they do need to change the name. It was ok when the channel was started over 10 years ago when they were younger guys making goofy videos of drinking and playing games, but the channel is much different now and has high quality informative content. A name change might actually help bring new traffic to their channel. What name would you recommend? All I can really think of is "H4G something" like H4G Rare Retro Reviews only better lol. Then they could still keep H4G in the name but just refer to it as H4G and not Hard4Games.
Where do you work that you clean controllers all day?
Gameboy advanced sp has my favorite buttons. On anything. Ever made.
NEED TO SEE SOME FOOTBALL GAME WITH THIS
John you cant fool us into posting comments! Were smarter that that!
Awesome! I just saw this in another person's video for a brief moment.
@@navyvet84 What?
Your left thumb is monstrous because you have brachydactyly type D. It's the genetic shortening of one or both thumbs and is often referred to by the internet as "toe thumb". I have it on my left side too. Megan Fox has it on both sides.
Lol he knows
I love RUclips telling me this video features gameplay from the game Prototype (2009)
Joel Ostrem I still really want to play that game but still haven’t gotten to it and it’s 2019
It'd be sooo cool to see Super Mario Sunshine played with that, then compared to Super Mario Galaxy.
Excellent content as always! Keep it like that guys. Thanks thanks thanks
What is the Prototype Wii remotes was worked alongside Mario 128 maybe that could be the reason why Mario pushes other Marios in the demo
We want gameplay!!
How did you get this kind of stuff? Like how can you add this kind of stuff to your collection?
Cool prototype :)
what if you plug it Into a Wiis GameCube slots. Will it work as a GameCube controller or a wiimote
Someone should try to reproduce this so it's Wireless and works for the wii
That woulda made the Wii a hit!!!
@@hard4games especially the grip for the B button it looks so comfortable
I came for the controller and stayed for the guys weird left toe-thumb
I imagine they used a UTP cable to connect the Nunchuck o the Wiimote prototypes *precisely* because they're a prototype. After all, you don't just make proprietary hardware for something that might not even go into full production
Very interesting and informative
Wish they stuck with that dev Wii remote instead of what they released. Them gameboy buttons are spicy
those thumbs
I wonder if anyone saw the joy-con + button and thought "Why is Nintendo making such tiny D-Pads again?"
I don't know how a channel with this title will exist after COPPA...
I'd be very much curious if this would be recognized in an emulator, or something for example like a home arcade system running batocera...
I feel like you'd want more mushy buttons on the Wii because you're already holding the weight with one hand and the SP buttons require more to press
Wait,if if connects with a ethernet cable,can we use the hotel controller on this?
Any new N64DD blue disks?
Yes but they have all been blank or busted 😔
@@hard4games Damn starting to lose hope on if we might ever find an unreleased game...
Will it work to a Wii plugged into the game cube ports
love stuff like this, i wonder if you could use it on any games
im sure it wouldn't work on retail games but
does this work on the wii. cuz gamecube compatable and controllers. try it
What is johns job where he cleans controllers?
Sure would have been nice if that was mass-produced. Looks more cozy than the actual Wiimote and Nunchuck.
Nice New Pork City sticker at 00:58. You hear about Fangamer's Classic merch sale? They're running down their old products so they aren't skirting Nintendo's copyright laws anymore.
i thought that nintendo didn't like the motion control patent they acquired and didn't start to work with it until project revolution... looks like i got told some fibs
Have you done a video on the Magnavox Odyssey in the background?
Hmm wonder if theres a way to use wiimotes with vr applications
I was disappointing that the prototype Wii controller was not tested
Huh i played Mario Party 8 not long ago and wondering again why this game only output 4:3 aspect. I tought may be it is because Nintendo intended it to run on a Gamecube now it's even more possible, but just a theory. May be worth to check? @Hard4Games
Commenting to help with the numbers.
This feels like the type of discovery and showcase that would have 10x more views than it does lol
can you use this in the swich whit a gamecube adapter??
Yes, Nintendo used to use Ethernet cablesfor their prototype controllers. Even the GameCube prototype used an Ethernet cable setup.
Will this work on the 1st Gen Wii console with the GameCube plug?
POV: The nunchuck actually has a LAN cable
The super mutants called and they want their thumbs back.
Pretty neat. I actually wish they would of kept the prototype design. Looks better in my opinion. I didnt reallu like the feel of the controller and buttons. The GBA buttons would of made this a lot better.
Fascinating. Great Share. Thank you.