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@Adam Giannitsopoulou why should they be tried criminally when they didnt break any laws??? they suck for their anti-consumer practices but it doesnt give you the free pass to be Sultan Psycho about it.
@@SobeCrunkMonsterbecause if you didnt know the law let me tell you, KIDS ARE NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED TO GAMBLE UNTIL THEIR 18! to do so and package a casino as a mode in a game open and accessable to children active criminal activity and illegal in most if not all countries. I dont care if EA come out and try to argue it, the kids can pay real world money for digital currency to wager on getting stuff, and hoping to get good stuff. Cut out the digital currency middleman and youve got straight up gambling.
Liked, shared, subscribed. I'm 30 years old now, and I've been a gamer since megaman 2 on the NES. I've watched greedy developers/publishers trash the industry over the last few years and I'm sick of it, so I've been doing what I can. This is probably the single most important video to watch if you actually want to hit these people right where it hurts. As always skillup, excellent work, the effort you put in here shows in spades.
I was fortunate enough to not get into the FIFA series, one of the fondest memories I have as a kid was playing command and conquer with my grandad. EA bought up Westwood Studios and trashed the studio before ruining the series. I haven't bought an EA title since.
TheMixEmperor I agree. I am the same age as well. Been playing since Qbert on Atari and Mario Nes. I knew EA was sketchy way back before 06 they used to have exclusive rights to James Bond as well. IDK How people can defend this stuff lol. I keep thinking it is an age thing or people who can just afford to just waste money. I just find it weird people are ok with spending money on things in game we got for free from it predecessors. I understand games need to make money but if your spending 50+ million on a budget with 300 employees and your game is still shallow as hell that is questionable and lazy. I mean EA can't even give people the one mode they want . They must be saving it for their last game and if they are, man EA is truly milking their fan base lol. Anywho hope everyone is enjoying their holiday.
I have a similar story. Loved, absolutely loved C&C and Westwood. After I saw EA destroy them I stopped playing EA games altogether. Was deeply saddenned when Bioware (another of my fav studios) got bought out by EA. The decreasing quality of their games showed immediately... EA is the poster child of corporate greed destroying and ruining the experience of the consumer... And this isn't just in videogames..
Can i just say, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!! THIS IS THE TYPE OF JOURNALISM I LOVE OH MY GOD!!!! You're dedication, structure of your videos, and professionalism is just amazing. I absolutely love how you guide your audience so gracefully through the story. Keep up the great work man!
Clips of Andrew Wilson's interviews and speeches creep me out because he looks like a stereotypical modern Bond villain. How has no one caught onto this?
Mareritt the first time I saw him at E3 after he became CEO i actually thought "this guy looks like the stereotypical villain". Glad I'm not the only one
The "Wilson Lootbox". You know this is going to stick, right? It's going to become an official label for the modern wallet-rape system soon enough; the gaming community will see to it. Thank you so much for this video!
That (I am sure of) is totally SkillUp’s intention, as he repeatedly mentions The Wilson Lootbox for what it correctly is. This is A prober researched piece and fantastic delivered- Thank you SkillUp, Great work.
Which makes me sad, because the CEO of GGG (Path of Exile) is Chris Wilson. That guy is such a cool and humble dude, i hope his name, game and company wont suffer for it.
You're becoming one of my favorite gaming you tubers. Why? Because your videos are researched and constructed over time carefully until they are ready. You are substance over style and exactly what gaming on you tube needs more of.
Chris Lee is a member of Hawaii's House of Representatives, not the Governor of Hawaii. It said so on screen. Note, I missed that myself until I went back to check.
I just want to say, that you did summarize everything very nice and explained it in a good and serious way. Despite other videos today, which are 30mins long for a thing that could be 2min long, in your video every second matters. Thanks for your effort and time sharing this with the world.
Skill up is very quickly becoming my go-to for most gaming news because of his accurate and well researched content. He doesn't just yell at a screen about something he doesn't know, he sits and researches it. Well done, keep up the good content my dude
Don't say that, i love battlefield, even tho is not accurate historically, it a dam good game. I love Battlefield, all of em. however, i won't accept all that bullshit from them, no no no. I agree they should change, by change i mean, improving, not going even worse that it is in some aspects. But still, i love Battlefield, i can't wait to posses a RTX card for it. unfortunately, this isn't just with gaming industries, no no, look at apple, patreon, they are all bullshiting US, their customers to a whole new level. I'm sad, deeply sad because of that!
That was before they turned to shit. This post is right everybody knows it. At our current point in time the industry and even the entire economy as a whole would be that much more healthier without EA leeching off the lifeforce.
@Cyberdemon Mike EA killed lots of them. All of them, in fact. They buy up studio, steal IP, leave them to die, milk that shit until dead. They are literally cancer of gaming. 0 good comes from them now.
Thank you for this video Skill up. This is the journalistic, investigative style of yours Ive always admired. Nothing against you and your brothers show. But this is laser focus. And it is much needed. In the sense, that voice must be given to the worthy criticisms that this company and the industry have brought upon themselves. A voice calm with accurate analysis and reasoned deduction.
Skill Up on that note it would be appreciated if you put some of your sources in the description tho, so one can link em while discussing specific points without having to send someone to watch a whole video
Fantastic video, although I kinda wished you'd source your info where possible. Even just with links in the description. I did the legwork myself while watching during claims that I felt should be able to get tracked down and generally found the exact data referenced, so not saying what you're saying isn't true. But I think with sources added, this video becomes completely impossible to refute, even for the more sceptical people out there.
Same, I remember Bunnyhop bringing up development costs not increasing rapidly and more money coming in from microtransactions in his tax evasion video, but he never explained it further, nor did he source it or show information about it. This video at least gave just enough to work with to find the information Bunnyhop talked about for myself. I ended up doing a video about it myself and sourced everything just so there's at least one video linking to all of this stuff out there.
I agree that laymen is not very good. not much detail a lot of goofing around and it doesn't seem like y'all ever really get to the point..this is a good channel though
@@Refulgent_Rascal Yeah EA stock took a nose dive this year, for the very reasons posited in the video: EA didn't make any decent games, and people are wising up fast to Wilson Boxes. Also, Europe is getting real heavy handed with declaring Wilboxes unregulated gambling, which is harming FIFA revenue (which is the equivalent of kicking EA in the dick)
One of the best videos talking about the whole lootbox controversy I've seen in years. Well done Skill Up, well done. I'm glad I kept following you even after The Division's letdown. Than you.
This is why I come to SkillUp. Well researched, thorough pieces that thoughtfully analyze the state of the industry based on facts rather than speculation and rumour. Also, "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" took me back to the first season of West Wing.
I have been boycotting EA for years. They have been manipulating customers for a long time now. I miss some of the games they have done but i refuse to endorse being abused.
I personally have stopped buying and playing any game that includes pay to win style loot boxes. I don't care how popular the game is or who made it or how great people say it is. If it has this mechanic in it I don't play it.
That's the only way to support a cause! If u play it, even not spending money, u are playing... meaning someone that play and spend money can and will have advantage over you....when they feel that advance... They will and do fell on the hook... gambling addicted folks....wasting money like there's no tomorrow.. i'm not against gambling it self....just not in games to make disadvantage for me while not paying and advantage is on for those that pay...
The only major blockbuster in recent memory that didn’t use progression based microtransactions was Monster Hunter World. No game developers care about their creation like the MH team at Capcom.
Don't worry, whatever you say, whatever shame people would like him to feel, I'm sure that he's proud of it. Even if EA's titles go down, he'll get out of it very, very rich. Since this is all that matters, at least for him, he doesn't give a purulent ziltch about this.
That is what the "industry" is about. Passion doesn't rake in tons of money so you can buy a luxury boat. Exploitative business models are the order of the day.
@@jakebarton3341 It's not about "capitalism", but about what some people do with it. The Mafia (and others) also hide behind capitalist mechanisms so as to look "legit" for your info... Capitalism to too often looked at as if it was a Church of some kind, leaving much human qualities in the closet.. Now, if capitalists push forth political agendas via their lobbying (and corrupt politicians in doing so), so as to get rid of regulations or whatnot (neoliberalism/neoconservatism), it can easily get out of hands (except for a few "initiates"), as the huge majority will feel obliged to turn it into a plutocratic nightmare.
This video might’ve been the best video you’ve ever made. Interesting from top to bottom... I’ve been following you since the first days of The Division and I absolutely love the shift in content. An extremely smart move on your part, especially since this channel was The Division focused (and that game on its last legs). GG, WP SkillUp. Keep up the great work!
I absolutely never say this but this is undoubtably the most well written and edited video discussing the matter that there is on RUclips. Exceptional content youve earned yourself a subscriber.
people are retarded that they didnt realize this earlier and is only being shun on now in fucking 2017. remember battlefield 2 ? if youre no like 15 or something then you should remember that its expansion "spec ops" gave you two weapon unlocks per rank and a fully new row of weapons, weapons better than the 1st and 2nd tier.
Hey Skill-Up, old fan from The Division days, had a number of solid comment debates with you during the time, good times, glad to see you’re still doing your thing and still making high quality content
You should look at EA's Star Wars Galaxy of Heroes mobile game. It has packs $40 to $100 and barely give you much to make any impact for you in game. You have to spend $1000s to make any difference. They use to call the rich players whales, now they called Krakkens lol. EA caters to the really rich now, so if you spends tons you get to pay to win. Is that fair? Look into SWGoH and you will see the ultimate corruption of EA.
Having played SW:GoH and not bought anything, meaning that I couldn’t do anything beyond the most basic of tasks, the game was cool and good fun UNTIL reaching the level or point to where money investment was REQUIRED -OR- time delayed scheduled logins to slowly slowly slowery advance. So I ignore playing a cool IP because it’s all tied around either extreme time and scheduling or money in order to advance.
Spending large amounts of money =/= Rich Part of the problem, if not the KEY problem, is that these systems prey on the human psyche and that the people paying for these things have bigger problems. Because odds are, the people spending $1000s of dollars, don't have that kind of money to spend. To quote south park: "Our profits come from people with problems!"
This has been the SWTOR, going F2P and then adding in the CARTEL system to just buy skins... never putting in anything to the game. That was truly how it all started, and it killed whatever was left in BIOWARE for that game and all thanks to EA.
Fast forward a few years and although EA's stock is tanking, they've completely removed lootboxes from their games, relying instead on surprise mechanics.
99% likes. I have a slight suspicion this is the most liked video on youtube (that has some actual views, not 10 views and 1 like from the uploader...)
reza choudhury correct they are finished a long history of Slashing and Destroying other gaming companies for their greed final upper blindsided cut them.
This is why Warframe is one of my new favourite games. This is also why I love indie games so much, there ARE good triple A titles, but whenever I play a good indie game I feel the passion that went into the making of said game. This? This is just a way to squeeze money out of people who just want a good time playing a damn game! Not some glorified slot machine!
DrIvanRadosivic I have most of those games and I agree that those are amazing games. The point I was making here was that the indie games that you hear about don't really have loot boxes, whereas most Triple A titles that you hear about do.
Oh cool. Kinda disappointing that there's no GameStop anywhere near where I live though. ...Come to think of it, I don't even have a console. Might need to settle that part first.
Sadly not all of it. The Hawaii representative never implemented legislation and Andrew Wilson is still the CEO of EA. And loot boxes and ultimate team are still a problem 3 years later. Not much has changed sadly.
@@justthereed5593 no it absolutely hasn't. When it comes to that game alone yes. But UFC, FIFA, their mobile games, their crunch, anthem, BioWare. Ads in $60 games. EA is no where near any better. And anyone who know anything about game development will knows that. Releasing 1 or 2 games without any microtransactions doesn't undo nearly 20 years of greed, and all the harm that they have done and continue to do.
@@thatrandomnoob8611 also legislation can take quite some time to pass. Because you haven't seen any laws passed doesn't mean that they haven't done enough behind the scenes to try to stop it or won't continue to.
@@thatrandomnoob8611loot boxes have gotten much better over all. EA is still EA and is still full of shit, but governments are calling it out for its bullshit and things are indeed getting better
Sooo glad you talked about this and gave FIFA the coverage on this topic that it deserves... not proud to admit as a kid, and through the 6 years of fifa I played, I definitely spent £1000-2000+ on packs on ultimate team, how it is any different to battlefronts loot crates, I dont really understand. I guess its just because star wars is a huge franchise and fifa players have become numb to this kind of practice by this stage.
Andrew Wilson. Remember when he took over, people everywhere were optimistic he’ll change EA for the better? No matter who you are, you can always be a fuck up. That last part touched my heart, hope EA doesn’t survive in the future.
Mai Nem EA is a cancer on the industry, just look at all the good game studios they shut down in their relentless pursuit for profit! We could be showered in good games right now if it weren’t for EA and their ilk. “If it’s not making us a billion what is it good for?”
Should be an easy job. All you have to do is just do what the corporate overlords tell you. There is no creativity in fifa, or any game now for that matter.
Outside of the US, Japanese game company Gungho Entertainment started selling what is effectively loot boxes in the MMO 'Ragnarok Online' directly to players as early as March 2006. They were called 'ラグくじ', or Ragnarok Lottery, and each box opened would give the player a random item in-game, including a chance at select super rare items. You could buy one for 300 yen, or 11 for 3000 yen. I haven't looked into it, but I feel it may be the first instance of direct loot box sales. Gungho later went on to be a mobile gaming juggernaut with their gatcha games, but 2006 was a year before android was even announced.
durkadur27 That’s not what this is about. They’re pointing out this concept is not new, and has actually existed for more than a decade, longer even than EA’s fuckery, but in obscure Asian markets
thats why I lost interest in SW... did not watched the new movie, and don´t intend to do, untill Disney step up and take a stand against this abuse of his own IP. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Thank your for spending that much time to research and create this video. It's very helpful to get better understanding about the actual situation at the gaming industry and especially in EA. Great work keep it up!
Um, excuse we dude. Loot boxes originated in WWII I was fucking there with my grandfather when a loot crate dropped right in the middle of the battle field and we got legendary and won WWII
I don’t know what to say, this is THE video. I hope this trends. This is everything. The four factors I am angry at is pay-to-win, randomness,closed economic statistics(non tradable), and the pay wall of 60-80 dollars for a game and then grinding within that. This video explains everything or at least I inferred a lot from this video. The reason warframe and economies/games like it are well accepted is because it covers everything the way we want it. Open economy, get what you pay for,free-to-play, and the pay-to-win feature is fair and it is’t competitive like battlefront 2 or games like it. I came here for the warframe community but I stayed because you are amazing haha sorry for the long comment.
Just paused part-way to leave a comment on just HOW GOOD this video is. ~ I can follow it with little knowledge in the field, without it being patronising. ~ It’s clear, the sources are given & accessible to all. ~ Logic is sound... really good progression from a > b. ~ Useful graphics- not overdone. It’s a perfect presentation. Seriously, you should be proud of how well you communicate!
Since 2004 the only EA game I have bought were Visceral and BioWare titles. I have zero interest in Anthem, so I guess EA doesn't want my business. That's fine. There are some folks in Warsaw who are happy to have it.
Spending less on development is not wrong. It's just basic business. How can you get more for less? If a company forgets this then they will go bankrupt soon. The only ones that can do this are those with massive parent companies that watch over them and keep them secure. For example while Nintendo sometimes delays game releases to polish them note that this is almost exclusively their system sellers and most important franchises. They release those very high quality games to sell their system and get people into their brand to sell them lower quality products they can actually profit from. I think it's unlikely Mario Odyssey will ever make back it's investment but Nintendo didn't make Odyssey to make a profit. It made it to sell the Switch.
I'm incredibly impressed by the level of your critical review and effort that you put in. I applaud that you didn't jump on the bandwagon of throwing fingers around, blaming and cursing like many people are. If there is one thing I dislike as much as exploitation by companies/people is the "victims", who just regurgitate the same complaints and try and persuade people to think like them using emotional triggers, thereby not giving them the space to figure out what they believe is true. You give the viewer the opportunity to really see the depth of exploitation and let the viewer decide for themselves if they agree or not. I enjoyed and subscribed. I saw your review on Anthem - I just hope EA, truly see the light with this one.
I watched video from GameStop about the developer of Cuphead It was so heart warming and touching, mad respect for them Compared to them EA, Blizzard etc is like a cold machine that work non-stop to print money with the least effort possible They have tasted the sweet sweet microtransaction money, they will try their hardest to apply it to their newer game with a scheme that is much worse than Lootboxes Still, it is great if Lootboxes disappear thanks to the government, I'm just worried on what come next
Blizzard aren’t bad, but their “owners” are. They are the good division of devs and producers that really care about their games. There is nothing wrong with overwatch loot boxes other than the fact that events end and lock times for a whole year. If they didn’t, it would be fair. Their other games rely on subscription or actual product purchases, not micro transactions. Where as activision rely on gaming addictions like cod. They sell the same game and get away with it. Id rather pay a subscription or just get a £30 dlc every year from them rather than a new game. With the exact same content just with a different skin. The real problem in the industry is ea and Microsoft. (And sony but they are irrelevant). Ea try to monopolise everything, and Microsoft want to own a share of everything. Microsoft are specially retarded as they think they have pc exclusives... that are also on console.... and that they are the only place to get pc exclusives..... even though steam has 7k exclusive games.....
AnizeJGLover Diablo auction house was a shit show that proved blizz couldn't keep their greed under control. While they aren't as consistently bad and they put systems in place to make you feel better about their microtransactions. Overwatch still has content that could easily be put into the game for free behind either an insanely long grind or a randomized pay wall. If you think it's ok because they are "only cosmetic" then they've got you into the position they want because you are justifying locking content behind pay walls that could easily be free to all players. "But they need that money to continue putting out free updates", yeah tell that to their 30 million plus sales at 40$, which was originally 60$. Don't get me wrong I love blizzard games but they're just as greedy as many other big name devs and publishers
#MeowAlien Then buy their games (if you can), a lot of people say "wow I'm impressed by their dedication, yet moments later move on to the next article/youtube video/etc and doesn't support them. A game developper team cannot live through "mad respect only". The price is around 15$ if that's not affordable then idk what is.
I just stumbled across this video today, and I just wanted to say that you did a fantastic job. Great hypothesis, good understanding of data and trends, and a spot-on conclusion a year later. Bravo!
Either a $60 game with very few or no micro transactions, or a free game with rather present micro transactions like Warframe and Paragon, however in Warframe and Paragon you can specify what you purchase, no roll of the dice, plus you can still earn the micro transaction currencies in both those games without even spending money. These games with their (necessity) Loot boxes just suck the life out of the industry as very clearly seen in the quoted "FIFA Ultimate Team makes us millions every year, where is this games version of that?" When they completely changed battlepacks from what they were in BF4 to making them loot boxes in BF1 I was livid, having played Battlefield for so long and really liking how battlepacks were introduced in BF4, they were loot boxes but you EARNED THEM, you weren't even allowed to buy them as far as I know, and you could get different kinds of battlepacks, like ones for specific guns that would drop random attachments for one weapon. I'd rather hire a hitman to put me down before I spend a penny on EA's anti-fun bullshit loot boxes
well Warframe do have some gamble pack, the Dragon-mods-pack but who ever want to buy that kind of thing when you can easy farm or ask someone for a spare mods?
Additionally, if you asked anybody who weren't just trolling you if those packs were worth it/needed to progress, the answer would universally be a resounding no.
Its a mix of the Warframe community being so welcoming and embraceful of new players who may think buying is easier and Warframes devs giving the avenues to get those desired weapons or mods to be obtained. Warframe docent want your money, they want your time and word of mouth about their game.
You were able to purchase them, but it was done similar to UEFA's Ultimate Team, in that you purchased it with currency you could only earn by playing the game.
I somewhat agree with you, however, the warframe part where you mention that you can earn the currency ingame is not 100% true. You can't earn plat in warframe at all, someone has to buy the platnum, which is then traded with another player. However!!!!, everything in the game is obtainable through gameplay with the exception of cosmetics, which is what is great about this game.
If you're a gamer, a parent or both, this should be very important to you. The mentality of a gaming company already selling you a product and then making things like loot boxes purchasable with real currency integral to the gaming progress changes everything, erodes the very nature of a game that considers the players and the quality of the game itself, and this MUST be regulated... Loot boxes and the thinking that creates them is precisely what is destroying long loved companies like Blizzard, and betraying their loyal fanbase who grew up with these games and identify deeply with them to the point of being coldly exploited in these changes of priority from games by gamers to games by lawyers, marketers, corrupt relationships between publishers and influencers more interested in kickbacks and favors than the truth or the benefit of the game and its playerbase. This is huge, and the only way for quality to come back to gaming and for artists, designers, creative people to be taken care of and to come back to the industry... this must be resolved. You can also think of this as a profound microcosm that can be related to the govt / corporation relationship. Like I said, this is not just gaming, this is everything. This is huge.
No, its like i said. Some ppl even say murder is fine or other strange stuff idont wanna name ... there are always people who dont have "your"/our opinion.
Damn, I almost cried because this is so sad, but so true. It really hurts me to see what the gaming industry has become... I wish I could upvote this video more than once, this is the best take on the whole P2W / Lootbox / whatever you want to call it bullshit that is happening nowadays. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this eye-opening video. Well done.
"We didn't allow Joe Camel to encourage our kids to smoke cigarettes, and we won't allow Star Wars to encourage our kids to gamble." What a guy, that's possibly the best quote I've heard all year.
I hate you so much Skill Up. You are a part of a *very small* group of youtubers I watch that I could actually sit and be entertained, enthralled, and focused for *over 20 minutes* :l Why is your voice so damn good, why are you smart in the way you say things, *why is this channel not bigger?!* ... Ugh. You took up another 30-ish minutes of my life, and I don't want it back. Keep making amazing videos ... sorry I can't support you on patreon. I would if I could, believe me. Out of video-game commentary, It's hard to have me listen to (even a TV show) a video for more than 10 minutes, let alone 20+ ... But you deserve patreon support. I don't mean you "should" get it - I mean you *deserve* to get support for the stuff you do. *waits for the next great video* :3
Same here! Probably the first time ever that the youtube autoplay didn't drive me crazy... Right after another rant video of Jim Sterling... Thank god for him :)
Make him invulnerable until everyone push the "downvote" button 100k time and call down a giant Jackal name Mickey that hold him down while everyone blast him with gun.
Really would love to see an updated version of this video, especially with how MTX compares to now, with the popularization of battle passes, item shops, etc. and the phasing out of lootboxes (at least in most western games)
This is simply the best researched and informative video about this EA debacle I’ve yet seen. It does well to highlight EA’s greed and backs it up with quantifiable numbers. Though I also somewhat hold FIFA consumers accountable for basically enabling this to happen, proving that the Wilson Loot box is a viable source of revenue to the detriment of quality games and more importantly quality game developers houses.
Great content! However, I spotted one small misinformation at 8:49: It was Mass Effect 3 that implemented Loot Boxes - not Mass Effect 2, which relied on DLCs and, in fact, didn't even support Multiplayer Gaming.
Holy cow man!! That was one of the best, informative videos I've EVER seen on yt. Thank you man. This needs to be shared and seen by everyone that plays any games
Wow, was talking to some friends about loot boxes the other day and we came to the conclusion that the only way they were going to stop was to have governments regulate them as gambling. Great video my dude! o7
1. You've received a new subscriber, AND one who will be encourageing others to follow your channel. 2. You knocked it out of the park on the origins of how this all truly began, and am glad that other people out there realize this! Kudos, for enlightening them to it. 3. I can't remember what exact year it was of Madden. But, there was one year in particular (circa 2008-2012?) in which they literally had Snickers, Coca-Cola, and I think even McDonald's commercials in the middle of the game. Now, it wasn't like on RUclips where it would stop the game and you'd have to sit through a commercial. Obviously logos were plastered all over the field and fences; but, what I'm talking about is during plays it would literally say things like "Snickers it satisfies" and other things of that nature. That was the last Madden game I played up until I think 2016 and I really haven't moved past it. Also, I noticed that what I just spoke of with the over-the-top advertisements, were cut completely from the follow-ups and I've never heard a word about it since. I don't know if it's been shuffled under the rug or what; but, if you did your top notch research as did hete. I'm sure you can find the one I'm speaking of. It was like a free to play mobile game, after paying $60. 4. What you said about Blizzard is spot-on, I don't hate cosmetic upgrades / loot boxes near as much as the other stuff...but we really do need to speak with our wallets! Blizzard just happened to be in the crosshairs at the time a majority of people started noticing that there was something amiss. Blizzard's real problem, is that the second their sales drop, they start virtue signaling and turn a character in their game homosexual. I mean, they literally rewrote their own lore to make Soldier 76 gay. the sexual identity of their characters literally has no bearing on the game or the game play, and it was just shoehorn in there for no reason. 5. Last but not least, in a bit of a reiteration (to those who are actually still reading this) we must speak with our wallets! No more pre-orders, no more season passes,, and support the companies that actually appreciate their customers and don't treat us like a whole bunch of sheep. I know a company's main point is to make money, But, EA is what happens when people who don't care about games and just see profit in them, get a hold of IPs. They ruin them, pander to the social justice crowd, and then think that single player games are a dying genre. They could not be more wrong! 6. I was born in 1980, I have a large backlog of games and patience goes a long way, especially if you stay one iteration behind everything. Let everyone else pay the full price and eventually you'll get it at half, or even free via game pass or Xbox games with gold for instance. Not to mention Steam has sales out the wazoo. 7. I'm not trying to hate on the young, but it seems like these tactics are geared exactly towards them; because, they don't understand the value of the dollar. Normally, they're not the ones actually paying for it, so they don't seem to understand how terrible loot boxes and DLC horse armor are! 8. I remember when DVD and Blu-ray first came out, and they tried director's cut and all that other garbage, and people didn't fall for it for long. 9. Comics and video games were the last bastion to fall to social justice warriors, propaganda, and the horror known as microtransactions (I say that with comics because, I wouldn't be surprised if they began selling alternate ending to graphic novels for a few extra bucks soon). 10. If it takes another gaming crash to change the way they conduct business, I'm fine with it. I have plenty of games to keep me entertained until then. And I don't have to pay an extra $5 to get a queen with my chess set.
A bit late but when he looked into the camera he looked like he was trying so hard not to laugh. And yet like an absolute legend he remained completely deadpan
"What if you told me that this could all be traced back to the CEO of EA?"
I honestly didn't even blink. I am 110% unsurprised.
Might wanna consciously blink then, cause your eyes are gonna go dry
I _was_ kinda surprised that the CEO of EA doesn't have horns, or a forked tail... But I assume they used Photoshop.
Too bad we couldn't charge him a dollar for each piece of mail he gets to open
I was unsurprised but I still blinked.
He even has the proper "sleazy lawyer" look down
Came for Andrew Wilson bashing, stayed for quality journalism.
andrew wilson looks like a demon to me
don't know what it is, maybe the exposed upper teeth at all times, he just has such a punchable face.
He was the worst thing to happen to EA.
its definitive his face....but yeah the P2W lootboxes bad games and studio destruction may be reasons too...
@@GeekRaj I was thinking the same thing.
*This video has (of course) been demonetised. If you'd like to support the work I do, the best way is through Patreon: **www.patreon.com/skillupyt*
Btw, here is a link to the special artwork I got made for the the thumbnail- The Official Wilson Lootbox PNG. Spread it round: imgur.com/a/MAHsA :) Please keep up the fight against these bullshit loot boxes. Thanks for watching.
Why has it been demonetised?
Because RUclips only wants Jake Paul and unboxing channels to get paid, apparently.
:( Don't they at least give a reason or explanation why a certain video gets demonetised?
It might be dumb **and I really hope I am wrong here** I guess it's because the words *love affair* written in the title
Wow wot? WTF RUclips???
"This game is a star wars themed online casino, designed to lure kids into spending money. It's a trap!"
Well said Admiral!
The creators of this game and EA cooperation should be charged criminally with a class action lawsuit
@Adam Giannitsopoulou why should they be tried criminally when they didnt break any laws??? they suck for their anti-consumer practices but it doesnt give you the free pass to be Sultan Psycho about it.
@@SobeCrunkMonsterbecause if you didnt know the law let me tell you, KIDS ARE NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED TO GAMBLE UNTIL THEIR 18! to do so and package a casino as a mode in a game open and accessable to children active criminal activity and illegal in most if not all countries.
I dont care if EA come out and try to argue it, the kids can pay real world money for digital currency to wager on getting stuff, and hoping to get good stuff. Cut out the digital currency middleman and youve got straight up gambling.
Liked, shared, subscribed.
I'm 30 years old now, and I've been a gamer since megaman 2 on the NES. I've watched greedy developers/publishers trash the industry over the last few years and I'm sick of it, so I've been doing what I can. This is probably the single most important video to watch if you actually want to hit these people right where it hurts.
As always skillup, excellent work, the effort you put in here shows in spades.
Kudos dude - I’ve got a few FIFA games to trade in now...as if what they did to Mass Effect wasn’t criminal enough
I was fortunate enough to not get into the FIFA series, one of the fondest memories I have as a kid was playing command and conquer with my grandad. EA bought up Westwood Studios and trashed the studio before ruining the series. I haven't bought an EA title since.
yes yes and yes!
TheMixEmperor I agree. I am the same age as well. Been playing since Qbert on Atari and Mario Nes. I knew EA was sketchy way back before 06 they used to have exclusive rights to James Bond as well. IDK How people can defend this stuff lol. I keep thinking it is an age thing or people who can just afford to just waste money. I just find it weird people are ok with spending money on things in game we got for free from it predecessors. I understand games need to make money but if your spending 50+ million on a budget with 300 employees and your game is still shallow as hell that is questionable and lazy. I mean EA can't even give people the one mode they want . They must be saving it for their last game and if they are, man EA is truly milking their fan base lol. Anywho hope everyone is enjoying their holiday.
I have a similar story. Loved, absolutely loved C&C and Westwood. After I saw EA destroy them I stopped playing EA games altogether. Was deeply saddenned when Bioware (another of my fav studios) got bought out by EA. The decreasing quality of their games showed immediately... EA is the poster child of corporate greed destroying and ruining the experience of the consumer... And this isn't just in videogames..
Can i just say, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!! THIS IS THE TYPE OF JOURNALISM I LOVE OH MY GOD!!!!
You're dedication, structure of your videos, and professionalism is just amazing. I absolutely love how you guide your audience so gracefully through the story. Keep up the great work man!
Clips of Andrew Wilson's interviews and speeches creep me out because he looks like a stereotypical modern Bond villain. How has no one caught onto this?
He's a posh British man wearing a suit. I think that's the standard template for most Bond villains.
There's a massive Patrick Bateman 'American Psycho' vibe to him
Zarxxis Zapscratch not only that. 24:40 just look at his expressions. Looks like some ambitious man talking, with bad intentions of course.
Mareritt the first time I saw him at E3 after he became CEO i actually thought "this guy looks like the stereotypical villain". Glad I'm not the only one
@Sean Pereira I had the same thoght when I first saw him X-D
Also he remembers me of Handsome Jack from Borderlands 2 :-D
*I've been boycotting EA for over 5 years now, and I don't expect to ever give them 1$ again.*
Same here. I won't touch anything made or published by EA. It's not even hard because they don't make / publish good games anyway. LOL
@@MilkPudding you're losing a few great games like Titanfall 1 & 2, Apex Legends, Unravel and Unravel Two.
@@lordsilver14 "a few"
@@lordsilver14 not at all
I got bf5 for free. A good game
The "Wilson Lootbox". You know this is going to stick, right? It's going to become an official label for the modern wallet-rape system soon enough; the gaming community will see to it. Thank you so much for this video!
That (I am sure of) is totally SkillUp’s intention, as he repeatedly mentions The Wilson Lootbox for what it correctly is. This is A prober researched piece and fantastic delivered- Thank you SkillUp, Great work.
I’m gonna start calling them that.
LPCrook me too!
Bloody hope it sticks!!
Which makes me sad, because the CEO of GGG (Path of Exile) is Chris Wilson. That guy is such a cool and humble dude, i hope his name, game and company wont suffer for it.
This is one of the best videos you ever made, hands down.
You're becoming one of my favorite gaming you tubers. Why? Because your videos are researched and constructed over time carefully until they are ready. You are substance over style and exactly what gaming on you tube needs more of.
+manniefaces cheers mate.
true, keep bring videos like this
manniefaces well said
Dilly dilly!
manniefaces, if you like researched videos that have been carefully constructed, do not check out Layman Gaming!
"The Wilson Lootbox", I like the term. Let that greedy bastard's name be engraved in every gamers mind!
Can't we just call him Looter Wilson?
String him up and hang him. All these greedy cocksuckers can burn.
ikr he looks like a demon to me
holy shit the governor of Hawaii even managed to slip in a star wars meme in a discussion about star wars loot boxes.
10/10 good vote hawaii.
PhantomPh1re It’s a TRAP!!!!!!!
Chris Lee is a member of Hawaii's House of Representatives, not the Governor of Hawaii. It said so on screen. Note, I missed that myself until I went back to check.
Kind of hilarious. Welcome to Hawaii!
i thought he was being serious, until i stopped being stupid 2 seconds later
I just want to say, that you did summarize everything very nice and explained it in a good and serious way. Despite other videos today, which are 30mins long for a thing that could be 2min long, in your video every second matters.
Thanks for your effort and time sharing this with the world.
Skill up is very quickly becoming my go-to for most gaming news because of his accurate and well researched content. He doesn't just yell at a screen about something he doesn't know, he sits and researches it. Well done, keep up the good content my dude
DrIvanRadosivic I haven't heard of him. I'll give him a look
The gaming industry would be better without EA.
Don't say that, i love battlefield, even tho is not accurate historically, it a dam good game. I love Battlefield, all of em. however, i won't accept all that bullshit from them, no no no.
I agree they should change, by change i mean, improving, not going even worse that it is in some aspects. But still, i love Battlefield, i can't wait to posses a RTX card for it. unfortunately, this isn't just with gaming industries, no no, look at apple, patreon, they are all bullshiting US, their customers to a whole new level. I'm sad, deeply sad because of that!
That was before they turned to shit. This post is right everybody knows it.
At our current point in time the industry and even the entire economy as a whole would be that much more healthier without EA leeching off the lifeforce.
@Cyberdemon Mike Yea, the key word being "decades", as in "ago".
@Cyberdemon Mike EA killed lots of them.
All of them, in fact. They buy up studio, steal IP, leave them to die, milk that shit until dead.
They are literally cancer of gaming. 0 good comes from them now.
@Cyberdemon Mike Actually, many games did exist before them. And didn't after them.
Thank you for this video Skill up. This is the journalistic, investigative style of yours Ive always admired. Nothing against you and your brothers show. But this is laser focus. And it is much needed. In the sense, that voice must be given to the worthy criticisms that this company and the industry have brought upon themselves. A voice calm with accurate analysis and reasoned deduction.
I agree- Sam sucks :P
Skill Up on that note it would be appreciated if you put some of your sources in the description tho, so one can link em while discussing specific points without having to send someone to watch a whole video
Fantastic video, although I kinda wished you'd source your info where possible. Even just with links in the description. I did the legwork myself while watching during claims that I felt should be able to get tracked down and generally found the exact data referenced, so not saying what you're saying isn't true. But I think with sources added, this video becomes completely impossible to refute, even for the more sceptical people out there.
Aboveup always comin in with the one up :D
Fair Argument (I wish some other channels and/or video's would site information).
Same, I remember Bunnyhop bringing up development costs not increasing rapidly and more money coming in from microtransactions in his tax evasion video, but he never explained it further, nor did he source it or show information about it. This video at least gave just enough to work with to find the information Bunnyhop talked about for myself.
I ended up doing a video about it myself and sourced everything just so there's at least one video linking to all of this stuff out there.
Finally a fucking skill up video, laymen is just not enough Ralph
I like layman
I agree that laymen is not very good. not much detail a lot of goofing around and it doesn't seem like y'all ever really get to the point..this is a good channel though
Thank God EA stock is down 50%:)
Really!!?? Awesome!!!! 👏👏👏😄
@@Refulgent_Rascal Yeah EA stock took a nose dive this year, for the very reasons posited in the video: EA didn't make any decent games, and people are wising up fast to Wilson Boxes. Also, Europe is getting real heavy handed with declaring Wilboxes unregulated gambling, which is harming FIFA revenue (which is the equivalent of kicking EA in the dick)
@@GeneGear
Good
Tech companies across the board had a nosedive in stocks. This is nothing to do with EA backlash, sadly. YongYea covered this
@@davidfodre1375
ANOTHER decent RUclips media personality that I need to keep track of? There is a lot of them seemingly.
One of the best videos talking about the whole lootbox controversy I've seen in years. Well done Skill Up, well done. I'm glad I kept following you even after The Division's letdown. Than you.
This is why I come to SkillUp. Well researched, thorough pieces that thoughtfully analyze the state of the industry based on facts rather than speculation and rumour.
Also, "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" took me back to the first season of West Wing.
+Brett Jory same :)
I have been boycotting EA for years. They have been manipulating customers for a long time now. I miss some of the games they have done but i refuse to endorse being abused.
Its so..Sad..Remember when EA made GREAT games?! I barley can..
EA was done for me the moment they bought Westwood Studios.. Rip C & C, Rip Dune..
Good man. Hopefully our boycotting efforts will pay off soon. Which it seems like not much longer now!
Same here!
I personally have stopped buying and playing any game that includes pay to win style loot boxes. I don't care how popular the game is or who made it or how great people say it is. If it has this mechanic in it I don't play it.
That's the only way to support a cause! If u play it, even not spending money, u are playing... meaning someone that play and spend money can and will have advantage over you....when they feel that advance... They will and do fell on the hook... gambling addicted folks....wasting money like there's no tomorrow.. i'm not against gambling it self....just not in games to make disadvantage for me while not paying and advantage is on for those that pay...
this is my rule of thumb too. Gaming with lootboxes can become a worse addiction than drug addiction.
Same, wish more people would do that
The only major blockbuster in recent memory that didn’t use progression based microtransactions was Monster Hunter World. No game developers care about their creation like the MH team at Capcom.
Same,that was why I only play single player games,and I will usually buy GOTY edition to make sure I can fully experience the game.
We need to make the "Wilson Lootbox" a thing so this will stick with him through his lifetime. These people have no passion for games, just for money
Don't worry, whatever you say, whatever shame people would like him to feel, I'm sure that he's proud of it. Even if EA's titles go down, he'll get out of it very, very rich. Since this is all that matters, at least for him, he doesn't give a purulent ziltch about this.
That is what the "industry" is about. Passion doesn't rake in tons of money so you can buy a luxury boat. Exploitative business models are the order of the day.
Blah blah blah blame capitalism .
@@jakebarton3341 I blame the capitalists.
@@jakebarton3341 It's not about "capitalism", but about what some people do with it. The Mafia (and others) also hide behind capitalist mechanisms so as to look "legit" for your info... Capitalism to too often looked at as if it was a Church of some kind, leaving much human qualities in the closet.. Now, if capitalists push forth political agendas via their lobbying (and corrupt politicians in doing so), so as to get rid of regulations or whatnot (neoliberalism/neoconservatism), it can easily get out of hands (except for a few "initiates"), as the huge majority will feel obliged to turn it into a plutocratic nightmare.
I love how the govenor say its a trap. lmfao
seem to be a starwars fan himself. :D
21:31
He Knew It Had To Be A Trap
This video might’ve been the best video you’ve ever made. Interesting from top to bottom...
I’ve been following you since the first days of The Division and I absolutely love the shift in content.
An extremely smart move on your part, especially since this channel was The Division focused (and that game on its last legs).
GG, WP SkillUp. Keep up the great work!
Andrew wilson: the villain of the industry
80% of the industry wants this man expunged from reality, I blame none of them
I absolutely never say this but this is undoubtably the most well written and edited video discussing the matter that there is on RUclips. Exceptional content youve earned yourself a subscriber.
Has this been posted to r/gaming? Does anyone know if it has or not? This *needs* more views. People *NEED* to see this.
people are retarded that they didnt realize this earlier and is only being shun on now in fucking 2017.
remember battlefield 2 ? if youre no like 15 or something then you should remember that its expansion "spec ops" gave you two weapon unlocks per rank and a fully new row of weapons, weapons better than the 1st and 2nd tier.
r/gaming is the worst gaming subreddit. Try r/games or r/truegaming
just posted it to both of them
Sorry the title is not click bait enough for it to be recognized.
Reddit in general is garbage
Such a well informed video. I'm glad you put so much effort into this.
watching this again at the end of 2019... everything is even worse...
very true
regulation is close young padowan. believe in the force.
2021 here...
Hey Skill-Up, old fan from The Division days, had a number of solid comment debates with you during the time, good times, glad to see you’re still doing your thing and still making high quality content
Never forget you Doc :P
You should look at EA's Star Wars Galaxy of Heroes mobile game. It has packs $40 to $100 and barely give you much to make any impact for you in game. You have to spend $1000s to make any difference. They use to call the rich players whales, now they called Krakkens lol. EA caters to the really rich now, so if you spends tons you get to pay to win. Is that fair? Look into SWGoH and you will see the ultimate corruption of EA.
yup its a big cash cow but with wilson packs instead of boxes
Having played SW:GoH and not bought anything, meaning that I couldn’t do anything beyond the most basic of tasks, the game was cool and good fun UNTIL reaching the level or point to where money investment was REQUIRED -OR- time delayed scheduled logins to slowly slowly slowery advance. So I ignore playing a cool IP because it’s all tied around either extreme time and scheduling or money in order to advance.
Spending large amounts of money =/= Rich
Part of the problem, if not the KEY problem, is that these systems prey on the human psyche and that the people paying for these things have bigger problems.
Because odds are, the people spending $1000s of dollars, don't have that kind of money to spend.
To quote south park:
"Our profits come from people with problems!"
This has been the SWTOR, going F2P and then adding in the CARTEL system to just buy skins... never putting in anything to the game. That was truly how it all started, and it killed whatever was left in BIOWARE for that game and all thanks to EA.
Can't wait for the reactions when this guy dares to walk out on stage next E3.
Is it possible to bring tomatoes into the theatre?
hasn't been an issue with bullets apparently
....
now now. strongly against violence here, just... please boo the fucker when he comes out, so loud he can't speak.
No - but they will have their own EA branded tomatoes for $5 each that you can purchase.
Mai Nem purchase?odds are you have a to buy a crate which may/May not have tomatoes in it..😂😂😂
Fast forward a few years and although EA's stock is tanking, they've completely removed lootboxes from their games, relying instead on surprise mechanics.
21:29 Gotta give that politician props. Talking about Star Wars in an official manner and still sneaks in the "It's a trap!" joke. Love it
The "it's a trap" was genius
Good man.
this is brilliant. look at that ratio. THE RATIO!!!!
99% likes. I have a slight suspicion this is the most liked video on youtube (that has some actual views, not 10 views and 1 like from the uploader...)
The dislikes are all from EA higher ups.
Your probably one of the most sophisticated and outgoing reviewers out there imo
Hey Downward Thrust and Cleanprincegaming:
This is what we mean by "video essay". Take note.
Lol, Downward Thrust. Started following him when he was veeeery small. Stopped following him when he became Cleanprince
Dude your political compass means you're a literal nazi. Why do you hate humanity?
@@advancedlamb are you psychotic?
@@TheArm97 what
@@advancedlamb I genuinely can't tell if this is bait
EA, it's in the *microtransactions*
EA, It's in the loot box
"EA. It's in the *GAINS* ."
EA, its in your wallet
reza choudhury correct they are finished a long history of Slashing and Destroying other gaming companies for their greed final upper blindsided cut them.
Lololololol. :)
This is why Warframe is one of my new favourite games. This is also why I love indie games so much, there ARE good triple A titles, but whenever I play a good indie game I feel the passion that went into the making of said game. This? This is just a way to squeeze money out of people who just want a good time playing a damn game! Not some glorified slot machine!
DrIvanRadosivic I have most of those games and I agree that those are amazing games. The point I was making here was that the indie games that you hear about don't really have loot boxes, whereas most Triple A titles that you hear about do.
Try Persona 5 an awesome AAA JRPG that is complete from the start unlike Final Fantasy XV
And I would love more games to take that hybrid approach that Titanfall 2 did.
Oh cool. Kinda disappointing that there's no GameStop anywhere near where I live though.
...Come to think of it, I don't even have a console. Might need to settle that part first.
Yip - I'm just all in on warframe atm
SkillUp - "Wilson Lootbox" you know what you doing!! GJ.
This video has aged like a very, very, fine wine.
Sadly not all of it. The Hawaii representative never implemented legislation and Andrew Wilson is still the CEO of EA. And loot boxes and ultimate team are still a problem 3 years later. Not much has changed sadly.
That Random Noob Not really, Battlefront II is now crazy respected and EA’s name has gotten quite a bit more clean.
@@justthereed5593 no it absolutely hasn't. When it comes to that game alone yes. But UFC, FIFA, their mobile games, their crunch, anthem, BioWare. Ads in $60 games. EA is no where near any better. And anyone who know anything about game development will knows that. Releasing 1 or 2 games without any microtransactions doesn't undo nearly 20 years of greed, and all the harm that they have done and continue to do.
@@thatrandomnoob8611 also legislation can take quite some time to pass. Because you haven't seen any laws passed doesn't mean that they haven't done enough behind the scenes to try to stop it or won't continue to.
@@thatrandomnoob8611loot boxes have gotten much better over all. EA is still EA and is still full of shit, but governments are calling it out for its bullshit and things are indeed getting better
Sooo glad you talked about this and gave FIFA the coverage on this topic that it deserves... not proud to admit as a kid, and through the 6 years of fifa I played, I definitely spent £1000-2000+ on packs on ultimate team, how it is any different to battlefronts loot crates, I dont really understand. I guess its just because star wars is a huge franchise and fifa players have become numb to this kind of practice by this stage.
Hear hear! Wilson needs to go. Damaging the games industry and will soon cripple EA. Very sad man.
Terry Wilson
You're a fine Wilson. Andrew Wilson is sullying your name.
Fuck EA they deserve to go bankrupt sooner the better
A stunning and fantastic analysis. Seriously we need more of this on you tube!! Well done!
+Ashoka Patel thanks :)
Damn this video really needs more views, this is one the most important videos for gaming in our generation
DAMN GOOD Investigative work!
Skill Up taking this channel to all new F***ing level!!!
Thank you for sharing this.
The Wilson Loot Box.
Andrew Wilson. Remember when he took over, people everywhere were optimistic he’ll change EA for the better? No matter who you are, you can always be a fuck up. That last part touched my heart, hope EA doesn’t survive in the future.
He's a cancer on the gaming industry.
He needs to be removed as soon as possible.
Mai Nem EA is a cancer on the industry, just look at all the good game studios they shut down in their relentless pursuit for profit! We could be showered in good games right now if it weren’t for EA and their ilk. “If it’s not making us a billion what is it good for?”
Imagine being """"creative director"""" to the FIFA games franchise...
Should be an easy job. All you have to do is just do what the corporate overlords tell you. There is no creativity in fifa, or any game now for that matter.
Outside of the US, Japanese game company Gungho Entertainment started selling what is effectively loot boxes in the MMO 'Ragnarok Online' directly to players as early as March 2006. They were called 'ラグくじ', or Ragnarok Lottery, and each box opened would give the player a random item in-game, including a chance at select super rare items. You could buy one for 300 yen, or 11 for 3000 yen. I haven't looked into it, but I feel it may be the first instance of direct loot box sales. Gungho later went on to be a mobile gaming juggernaut with their gatcha games, but 2006 was a year before android was even announced.
Was going to say I was sure f2p mmos where doing loot boxes long before 2009.
pretty sure he said console game
durkadur27 That’s not what this is about.
They’re pointing out this concept is not new, and has actually existed for more than a decade, longer even than EA’s fuckery, but in obscure Asian markets
Wow an actually well researched video on lootboxes, shocking, well done and thank you.
Still waiting for Disney to pull the IP from EA.
MyBalls keep waiting,EA or Disney are the same profit making organism,look at the movies.
thats why I lost interest in SW... did not watched the new movie, and don´t intend to do, untill Disney step up and take a stand against this abuse of his own IP.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
That s damn right,somehow u reminded me of that old movie blade runner,that s coming,and i aint talking about robots
MyBalls Star Wars died when Disney bought it.
Star wars games died when EA got the license.
RIP star wars.
I'm waiting for Disney to pull the SJW bs from Star Wars...
Thank your for spending that much time to research and create this video. It's very helpful to get better understanding about the actual situation at the gaming industry and especially in EA. Great work keep it up!
damn, best video I've seen about all this
Um, excuse we dude. Loot boxes originated in WWII I was fucking there with my grandfather when a loot crate dropped right in the middle of the battle field and we got legendary and won WWII
I don’t know what to say, this is THE video. I hope this trends. This is everything. The four factors I am angry at is pay-to-win, randomness,closed economic statistics(non tradable), and the pay wall of 60-80 dollars for a game and then grinding within that. This video explains everything or at least I inferred a lot from this video. The reason warframe and economies/games like it are well accepted is because it covers everything the way we want it. Open economy, get what you pay for,free-to-play, and the pay-to-win feature is fair and it is’t competitive like battlefront 2 or games like it. I came here for the warframe community but I stayed because you are amazing haha sorry for the long comment.
Just paused part-way to leave a comment on just HOW GOOD this video is.
~ I can follow it with little knowledge in the field, without it being patronising.
~ It’s clear, the sources are given & accessible to all.
~ Logic is sound... really good progression from a > b.
~ Useful graphics- not overdone.
It’s a perfect presentation. Seriously, you should be proud of how well you communicate!
"Spending less on development". And it shows my Boycott of EA Continues on 8 years and counting
the question is not what he has lost... what is he now gaining from that ;)
maffa: probably 8 versions of soccer... not sure what else.
Since 2004 the only EA game I have bought were Visceral and BioWare titles. I have zero interest in Anthem, so I guess EA doesn't want my business.
That's fine. There are some folks in Warsaw who are happy to have it.
Spending less on development is not wrong. It's just basic business. How can you get more for less?
If a company forgets this then they will go bankrupt soon. The only ones that can do this are those with massive parent companies that watch over them and keep them secure.
For example while Nintendo sometimes delays game releases to polish them note that this is almost exclusively their system sellers and most important franchises. They release those very high quality games to sell their system and get people into their brand to sell them lower quality products they can actually profit from. I think it's unlikely Mario Odyssey will ever make back it's investment but Nintendo didn't make Odyssey to make a profit. It made it to sell the Switch.
I'm incredibly impressed by the level of your critical review and effort that you put in. I applaud that you didn't jump on the bandwagon of throwing fingers around, blaming and cursing like many people are. If there is one thing I dislike as much as exploitation by companies/people is the "victims", who just regurgitate the same complaints and try and persuade people to think like them using emotional triggers, thereby not giving them the space to figure out what they believe is true. You give the viewer the opportunity to really see the depth of exploitation and let the viewer decide for themselves if they agree or not. I enjoyed and subscribed. I saw your review on Anthem - I just hope EA, truly see the light with this one.
I watched video from GameStop about the developer of Cuphead
It was so heart warming and touching, mad respect for them
Compared to them EA, Blizzard etc is like a cold machine that work non-stop to print money with the least effort possible
They have tasted the sweet sweet microtransaction money, they will try their hardest to apply it to their newer game with a scheme that is much worse than Lootboxes
Still, it is great if Lootboxes disappear thanks to the government, I'm just worried on what come next
It got kind of sad when they said they mortgage their house.
Makes want to root for them because this is a dream for them.
Blizzard isn't that bad but yeah EA trash.
Blizzard aren’t bad, but their “owners” are. They are the good division of devs and producers that really care about their games.
There is nothing wrong with overwatch loot boxes other than the fact that events end and lock times for a whole year. If they didn’t, it would be fair. Their other games rely on subscription or actual product purchases, not micro transactions. Where as activision rely on gaming addictions like cod. They sell the same game and get away with it. Id rather pay a subscription or just get a £30 dlc every year from them rather than a new game. With the exact same content just with a different skin.
The real problem in the industry is ea and Microsoft. (And sony but they are irrelevant). Ea try to monopolise everything, and Microsoft want to own a share of everything.
Microsoft are specially retarded as they think they have pc exclusives... that are also on console.... and that they are the only place to get pc exclusives..... even though steam has 7k exclusive games.....
AnizeJGLover Diablo auction house was a shit show that proved blizz couldn't keep their greed under control. While they aren't as consistently bad and they put systems in place to make you feel better about their microtransactions.
Overwatch still has content that could easily be put into the game for free behind either an insanely long grind or a randomized pay wall. If you think it's ok because they are "only cosmetic" then they've got you into the position they want because you are justifying locking content behind pay walls that could easily be free to all players. "But they need that money to continue putting out free updates", yeah tell that to their 30 million plus sales at 40$, which was originally 60$.
Don't get me wrong I love blizzard games but they're just as greedy as many other big name devs and publishers
#MeowAlien Then buy their games (if you can), a lot of people say "wow I'm impressed by their dedication, yet moments later move on to the next article/youtube video/etc and doesn't support them. A game developper team cannot live through "mad respect only". The price is around 15$ if that's not affordable then idk what is.
I just stumbled across this video today, and I just wanted to say that you did a fantastic job. Great hypothesis, good understanding of data and trends, and a spot-on conclusion a year later. Bravo!
Either a $60 game with very few or no micro transactions, or a free game with rather present micro transactions like Warframe and Paragon, however in Warframe and Paragon you can specify what you purchase, no roll of the dice, plus you can still earn the micro transaction currencies in both those games without even spending money. These games with their (necessity) Loot boxes just suck the life out of the industry as very clearly seen in the quoted "FIFA Ultimate Team makes us millions every year, where is this games version of that?" When they completely changed battlepacks from what they were in BF4 to making them loot boxes in BF1 I was livid, having played Battlefield for so long and really liking how battlepacks were introduced in BF4, they were loot boxes but you EARNED THEM, you weren't even allowed to buy them as far as I know, and you could get different kinds of battlepacks, like ones for specific guns that would drop random attachments for one weapon. I'd rather hire a hitman to put me down before I spend a penny on EA's anti-fun bullshit loot boxes
well Warframe do have some gamble pack, the Dragon-mods-pack but who ever want to buy that kind of thing when you can easy farm or ask someone for a spare mods?
Additionally, if you asked anybody who weren't just trolling you if those packs were worth it/needed to progress, the answer would universally be a resounding no.
Its a mix of the Warframe community being so welcoming and embraceful of new players who may think buying is easier and Warframes devs giving the avenues to get those desired weapons or mods to be obtained. Warframe docent want your money, they want your time and word of mouth about their game.
You were able to purchase them, but it was done similar to UEFA's Ultimate Team, in that you purchased it with currency you could only earn by playing the game.
I somewhat agree with you, however, the warframe part where you mention that you can earn the currency ingame is not 100% true. You can't earn plat in warframe at all, someone has to buy the platnum, which is then traded with another player. However!!!!, everything in the game is obtainable through gameplay with the exception of cosmetics, which is what is great about this game.
All right !! Someone send the terminator to 2007 !! You know what to do !!
If not him, then someone else will do that.
Willllllllllson
If you're a gamer, a parent or both, this should be very important to you.
The mentality of a gaming company already selling you a product and then making things like loot boxes purchasable with real currency integral to the gaming progress changes everything, erodes the very nature of a game that considers the players and the quality of the game itself, and this MUST be regulated... Loot boxes and the thinking that creates them is precisely what is destroying long loved companies like Blizzard, and betraying their loyal fanbase who grew up with these games and identify deeply with them to the point of being coldly exploited in these changes of priority from games by gamers to games by lawyers, marketers, corrupt relationships between publishers and influencers more interested in kickbacks and favors than the truth or the benefit of the game and its playerbase.
This is huge, and the only way for quality to come back to gaming and for artists, designers, creative people to be taken care of and to come back to the industry... this must be resolved.
You can also think of this as a profound microcosm that can be related to the govt / corporation relationship. Like I said, this is not just gaming, this is everything. This is huge.
Remember when unlocks were part of in-game achievements?
Pepperidge Farm remembers...
89 EA Employees watched this at the time of my comment. Only way to explain the dislikes.
Believe me, Most Ea employees absolutely abhore the practices that are implemented by producers
For everything in the world you find two opinions, at least. Thats how it is.
SonGokouSSJ Not this business practice. I think everyone knows it's scummy.
They might be people for which a small amount of money spent on loot boxes you know like $500,000 is nothing so they don't want you to ruin their fun
No, its like i said. Some ppl even say murder is fine or other strange stuff idont wanna name ... there are always people who dont have "your"/our opinion.
Damn, I almost cried because this is so sad, but so true. It really hurts me to see what the gaming industry has become...
I wish I could upvote this video more than once, this is the best take on the whole P2W / Lootbox / whatever you want to call it bullshit that is happening nowadays.
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this eye-opening video. Well done.
"We didn't allow Joe Camel to encourage our kids to smoke cigarettes, and we won't allow Star Wars to encourage our kids to gamble."
What a guy, that's possibly the best quote I've heard all year.
I love RUclipsrs like you who inform us about these greedy companies. Screw these game developers
I hate you so much Skill Up. You are a part of a *very small* group of youtubers I watch that I could actually sit and be entertained, enthralled, and focused for *over 20 minutes* :l
Why is your voice so damn good, why are you smart in the way you say things, *why is this channel not bigger?!* ...
Ugh. You took up another 30-ish minutes of my life, and I don't want it back. Keep making amazing videos ... sorry I can't support you on patreon. I would if I could, believe me. Out of video-game commentary, It's hard to have me listen to (even a TV show) a video for more than 10 minutes, let alone 20+ ... But you deserve patreon support. I don't mean you "should" get it - I mean you *deserve* to get support for the stuff you do.
*waits for the next great video* :3
+masterkevkev thanks mate :)
Jeez get a room you two....LOL
You can actually see the greed in the eyes of EA executives and the CEO
You spelled capitalist wrong.
he also looks like a perfect movie villain ^^
im a year late, but still a great video!
Same here! Probably the first time ever that the youtube autoplay didn't drive me crazy... Right after another rant video of Jim Sterling... Thank god for him :)
ehh... gachapons where a huge issue in free to play games before the fifa thing was even made O_o, courtesy of nexon.
That prediction of Andrew Wilson losing his job as CEO of EA has sadly not yet come to fruition.
Grofit. New Corpus boss in WF should be named andrew whoreson.
Vargr Helsing He only drops 'coins' that can be traded for a blind bag of his loot table on any relay ;) Maximum grofit.
Make him invulnerable until everyone push the "downvote" button 100k time and call down a giant Jackal name Mickey that hold him down while everyone blast him with gun.
Vargr Helsing gonna rhino stomp that bastard
nice one
GROFIT!!!
Outstanding work Skillup!
dude! THIS IS IMPRESSIVE! GREAT WORK! From SW brothers in arms in Brazil
Really would love to see an updated version of this video, especially with how MTX compares to now, with the popularization of battle passes, item shops, etc. and the phasing out of lootboxes (at least in most western games)
This is simply the best researched and informative video about this EA debacle I’ve yet seen. It does well to highlight EA’s greed and backs it up with quantifiable numbers. Though I also somewhat hold FIFA consumers accountable for basically enabling this to happen, proving that the Wilson Loot box is a viable source of revenue to the detriment of quality games and more importantly quality game developers houses.
One of your best Videos yet!
"It's a trap!"
Great content! However, I spotted one small misinformation at 8:49: It was Mass Effect 3 that implemented Loot Boxes - not Mass Effect 2, which relied on DLCs and, in fact, didn't even support Multiplayer Gaming.
I would like to thank you for this video, it is really informative and you gave a really satisfying ending with a possible backlash for EA.
Holy cow man!! That was one of the best, informative videos I've EVER seen on yt. Thank you man. This needs to be shared and seen by everyone that plays any games
I've been watching your videos for a while, but after this one, I'm subscribing.
Scary, but well done, Sir. Thank you for doing the research for this. Very enlightening.
I am never buying another EA title when they killed dead space my heart was broken.
Yea but I loved dead space 1 it was one of the only games I bothered getting a plat trophy for on PlayStation
I feel your pain. Funny thing is, I've always disliked EA, the amount of film licence's they slaughtered over the decades is historical.
ZOMG Gaming! Was the reason I bought a PS3 and 100% the entire series
Bunrout... Man, what i'd give for another burnout game. Paradise is still fun from time to time but you can only play through a game so many times.
Oh man.... Titanfall is about to die. Jesus I forgot about that.
Wow, was talking to some friends about loot boxes the other day and we came to the conclusion that the only way they were going to stop was to have governments regulate them as gambling. Great video my dude! o7
Can we send The Punisher to Andrew Wilson's house?
It's a joke FBI and CIA, leave me alone
your first name is also andrew
"NO PLEASE PUNISHER, I'M A GOOD GUY DON'T KILL ME"Lol i can imagine his face lmao
no one yeah and this guy has tarnished the name Andrew
21:30 legend really said "its a trap" related to a Star Wars game.
I want him to be my president.
Me too
Someone start a meme. That's how we got the last guy in
800 million from gambling huh? Time to indite them, see what kinda back taxes these people are gonna have to pay.
Do you doubt that he has already payed off the judges?
AnonymousJerkbag no money being won so gaming commission wouldn't be involved.
Andrew Wilson is the Sith Lord we've been looking for.
dat wilson dude looks so demonic.
Corporate*
He looks like a Bond villain
@@Ahlgreenz Nah, he looks more like Robbie Rotten.
@@kriscubero6778 Didn't say any particular Bond villian, just that his look would make a good Bond villain.
1. You've received a new subscriber, AND one who will be encourageing others to follow your channel.
2. You knocked it out of the park on the origins of how this all truly began, and am glad that other people out there realize this! Kudos, for enlightening them to it.
3. I can't remember what exact year it was of Madden. But, there was one year in particular (circa 2008-2012?) in which they literally had Snickers, Coca-Cola, and I think even McDonald's commercials in the middle of the game. Now, it wasn't like on RUclips where it would stop the game and you'd have to sit through a commercial. Obviously logos were plastered all over the field and fences; but, what I'm talking about is during plays it would literally say things like "Snickers it satisfies" and other things of that nature. That was the last Madden game I played up until I think 2016 and I really haven't moved past it. Also, I noticed that what I just spoke of with the over-the-top advertisements, were cut completely from the follow-ups and I've never heard a word about it since. I don't know if it's been shuffled under the rug or what; but, if you did your top notch research as did hete. I'm sure you can find the one I'm speaking of. It was like a free to play mobile game, after paying $60.
4. What you said about Blizzard is spot-on, I don't hate cosmetic upgrades / loot boxes near as much as the other stuff...but we really do need to speak with our wallets! Blizzard just happened to be in the crosshairs at the time a majority of people started noticing that there was something amiss. Blizzard's real problem, is that the second their sales drop, they start virtue signaling and turn a character in their game homosexual. I mean, they literally rewrote their own lore to make Soldier 76 gay. the sexual identity of their characters literally has no bearing on the game or the game play, and it was just shoehorn in there for no reason.
5. Last but not least, in a bit of a reiteration (to those who are actually still reading this) we must speak with our wallets! No more pre-orders, no more season passes,, and support the companies that actually appreciate their customers and don't treat us like a whole bunch of sheep. I know a company's main point is to make money, But, EA is what happens when people who don't care about games and just see profit in them, get a hold of IPs. They ruin them, pander to the social justice crowd, and then think that single player games are a dying genre. They could not be more wrong!
6. I was born in 1980, I have a large backlog of games and patience goes a long way, especially if you stay one iteration behind everything. Let everyone else pay the full price and eventually you'll get it at half, or even free via game pass or Xbox games with gold for instance. Not to mention Steam has sales out the wazoo.
7. I'm not trying to hate on the young, but it seems like these tactics are geared exactly towards them; because, they don't understand the value of the dollar. Normally, they're not the ones actually paying for it, so they don't seem to understand how terrible loot boxes and DLC horse armor are!
8. I remember when DVD and Blu-ray first came out, and they tried director's cut and all that other garbage, and people didn't fall for it for long.
9. Comics and video games were the last bastion to fall to social justice warriors, propaganda, and the horror known as microtransactions (I say that with comics because, I wouldn't be surprised if they began selling alternate ending to graphic novels for a few extra bucks soon).
10. If it takes another gaming crash to change the way they conduct business, I'm fine with it. I have plenty of games to keep me entertained until then. And I don't have to pay an extra $5 to get a queen with my chess set.
Best video I have seen on this topic to date by a long distance, thanks for putting it together
After seeing the thumbnail, I think the pay-to-win lootbox phenomenon should be referred to as the "Wilson Box"
The "Wilson pay-to-win Lootbox" sounds both ugly and like a thesis title.
Andrew Wilson is like Danny DeVito's Penguin: "I play this industry like a fiddle from hell!"
Like a ‘harp from hell’ actually.
@@Michael-590 Thanks, was a long time ago I watched the movie... Or was it the MaNdelA EffeCt? Wooo!
Nah just my crappy memory : )
21:26 “It’s a trap”
Did he mean to do that? 😂
A bit late but when he looked into the camera he looked like he was trying so hard not to laugh.
And yet like an absolute legend he remained completely deadpan