Seth Andrews & Matt Dillahunty: The Ark Encounter Tour (TTA Podcast 346)
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- What happens when two atheist activists tour Ken Ham's "Ark Encounter" in Williamstown, KY? They get together and talk about it. Matt Dillahunty joins Seth Andrews for a recap of their experience.
This is a companion piece to Seth's recent Ark Encounter tour video: • Atheists at the Ark En...
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i really miss Christopher hitchens he commented on a christian who promised him she would pray for him .he replied and i will THINK for you. pure gold
I've read most of the comments on here and it's obvious that you guys are preaching to the choir because they all agree with you.None of us became an atheist overnight, it's a slow process that starts by opening your mind one thought at a time. Great post lads.
Why do you have an issue with people being in agreement with each other? Intelligent conversation isnt a sport, you dont need an adversary to engage.
12:45 - How does Ken know the trees are 200 years old? WAS HE THERE?
un2mensch 😂😂😂
un2mensch here's another question for ya... Not only does he say the trees are 200 yrs old, but what method did he use to date the trees? He's a young Earth creationist and he doesn't believe that we have trees on Earth that are over 20,000 years old.. Yet he denies scientists methods of tree dating..
If the level of oxygen was higher in our athmosphere we could have contemporarys from hundrest of years ago =D
"No, but he knows someone who was, and they wrote a book about it".
To be clear, I'm mocking that imbecile, and his asinine "rebuttal" to that question.
If they want a sensory experience, they should add the SMELL!
haha, not considered that before, but you are dead right. It must have stunk like a racoons backside in that giant wooden floating box !
Concentrated because there was only one window for ventilation. :D
sleepy314 Great point! Animal feces everywhere! Yay! Methane poisoning in such an enclosed space with one window. The whole place would have asphyxiated all the living creatures or blown up when they lit a fire!
It's good to hear these two intelligent guys discuss Ken Ham's folly and mixing of church and state.
Ugh, the zoo nearby has a type of canine that is known for marking everything (can't remember species, haven't been in a while) near the parking lot. That's completely open air and it smelled so awful it could make you gag on mildly warm days.
Now amplify that by 100 and put it in an unventilated wooden box. Oh god.
"Just wait until you're dead" is the Fundy equivalent of "Just wait until your Father gets home", which works on a child. Shows the mental age at which most of these people operate.
And I'm STILL stunned Dillahunty could make it all the way through that wooden monstrosity without his head exploding.
For Matt, it must have been like that scene from Scanners....
And of course Christian fundies never consider for a second that Odin or Allah or Vishnu or Zeus or the Great Spirit, etc is the “REAL” god they will encounter after death. They throw out that insulting, dimwitted line about “what if I’m right - you’ll burn in HELL!” while never acknowledging that ANOTHER GOD might be lurking behind it all and so their little wager will fail. In their insular worldview there is only the “god of the Christian evangelicals not Catholics or mainline Protestants” OR nothing -evil angry atheists. It never seems to cross their minds that some other god, say one of the ancient gods of Hinduism, a religion which is much older than Christianity, might be the creator of the universe and all of that stuff like the trees and bananas so on.
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@@finitekosmos oh, dude…I loved that movie! I haven’t thought about it in years
@@AleisterCrowleyMagus Right? If they’re really that smitten by the “logic” of Pascal’s Wager then they should join every religion and believe them all equally.
20:20 If I was insane enough to build my worldview entirely based on wishful thinking *you can bet mine would include dinosaur-mounted arena battles.*
I'd like to add to Matts argument at 24:00 about free will : If god, like the christian or islamic god, is all-knowing and thus knows the future, then the future has already been determined, which means we don't have free will. If we do have free will, then god can't know the future since our free will influences the future. Thus, it is not possible to have an all-knowing god *and* humans with free will. So if a christian, muslim or whatever comes and says that god knows everything and that we have free will, you can show them how this can't possibly be true.
Also : If god is all-knowing and we have no free will, then we are not responsible for our actions, including not believing, and thus god is to blame for everything bad in this world and thus a contradiction to the claim of a perfect all-benevolent all-loving god of christianity or islam. If we do have free will and thus god is not all-knowing, as established in the beginning, then the christian or islamic god can't possibly exist because both religions claim that their god is all-knowing.
"If god, like the christian or islamic god, is all-knowing and thus knows the future, then the future has already been determined, which means we don't have free will. If we do have free will, then god can't know the future since our free will influences the future. Thus, it is not possible to have an all-knowing god and humans with free will."
When I was a Christian some years ago I thought about this and rationalised it by assuming that the future is not determined and we do have free will but that God is all-powerful and so knows _every possible future_ that could happen given 6+ billion humans and n-billion animals all doing what they want.
I'm an atheist (again) now but I wanted to put this thought up there as some Christians might also offer it as a counter to your claim. I personally have never come across a Christian or Muslim who has suggested this line of reasoning but it probably is out there.
+ShizukuSeiji : A god knowing all possible outcomes of the future but not being able to know which one will occur is just as competent in knowing the future as me saying "I can predict the lottery results. It will be a combination of 6 out of 49 numbers! See? I can see into the future!" or "I can see into the future. I predict if i roll this 6-sided die it'll land on one of the numbers from 1~6.", aka useless.
Stefan - this isn't really worthwhile debating but you might have missed my point. God (as I believed then, years ago) knows ALL POSSIBLE outcomes, those which occur he knows about. Those which don't occur, he knows about. He couldn't be omniscient if he didn't, right? He still has perfect knowledge of the future, and all possible futures. This rationalisation I did in my head means God is still omniscient, knows all AND humans have perfect free will.
Taking your dice rolling or lottery examples, God would know all six possible futures that branched out from the dice roll, or all millions of futures that branched out from a random lottery number pick. A human has free will to roll a dice or choose lottery numbers. In some futures they'll roll a 1, in some they'll roil a 6. In some futures they don't win the lottery, in a very tiny number of futures, they do. God knows about all futures.
If you try to look at it logically, it works and holds together.
Think of the movie "Interstellar" where Cooper is in the 4 dimensional space and can move about within time to see all possible outcomes of his actions in the past. Its not a strong analogy but its close.
You'd think someone who "did not author any confusion" wouldn't cause so much confusion... :/
You can have freewill and god can still be all-knowing. Freewill is about you making choices and not being forced or influenced by god. All knowing only implies that god can foresee the choices you are going to make. It is when you throw in that god is the creator of the universe and omnipotent that you run into the problem, because the god would have choose which universe to create out of all possible universes. Thus removing your freewill because the omnipotent god knew what choices you could have made and then chose to make universe in which you make the choices you do. Some may try to argue that maybe god couldn't control the outcome of all choices in the universe god made, if that is true then he is not omnipotent.
That golden horned dinosaur was a carnotaurus, and it was a real species. Gotta give them credit for the few "accurate" things they did lol
Yeah I was like cmon... any 5 year old would know a carnotaurus lol
I was a true believer. From atheist to born-again-spirit-filled evangelical. I was fooled by my feelings. Was convinced they were from the 'holy spirit'. I understand people like William Lane Craig when his fallback is "the witness of the holy spirit".
I think this is the most important and least understood and talked about point to reach believers. Inside, they will dismiss all evidence, as I did for a dozen years, and believe that the feelings of "spiritual energy" and connection, are god, and from god. This is why most true believers that I know of, hold on and appear to be insane.
Great post - this response just has to do with my own experiences regarding 'spiritual energy'.
I spent my first 20 years steeped in the church and was adept at 'getting in the spirit', through worship and prayer and fasting. It was such a wonderful, alternate state of mind, in which my brain was being chemically filled with endorphins, wherein I would feel an overwhelming state of love, grace and even a higher sense of wisdom. Sometimes I would go to God and end up in a grieving session - it always had to do with where my life was currently. It took hard work and practice to get to that place, which I called 'walking with Christ' at the time. For a long time, this was all the proof I needed that Yahweh was real, as described in the Bible.
My journey changed when I ran into an atheist at work who wouldn't leave me alone about my belief in the Great Flood and Creationism and 'magical prayers'. How could I ever get him, a man who had never prayed, to understand the state of grace I was achieving? However, I began to study because of him. He made me realize that if I loved my God, I should want to know everything I could about the miracle of his creation in this scientific age.
I discovered that everyone in my Christian community was (mostly not deliberately) being internally dishonest by cherry-picking their belief system or what I would later learn to call presuppositionalism. Nobody was reading Thomas Paine or James Allen or Robert Ingersoll - and every sermon was actually a form of apologetics, with a little bit of ethics sprinkled in... Everybody's understanding of modern science was a strawman which could easily be seen through. I had a real 'come to Jesus' moment where I had to tell myself, "Stick to what is clearly true, not what you WANT to be true." So I kept reading.
Some years later when I took LSD for the first time, I immediately went to my 'state of grace' without having to try, the moment it hit me. There was NO difference between the emotional victory I had felt for decades during fervent prayer and the emotional victory I felt instantaneously on this alkaline-inducing drug. Because I have had my own 'near death experience' wherein I drowned for six minutes, I also became quite shocked when I eventually had a DMT session and it was nearly an exact replication of that.
The brain is a powerful tool but it can also be our worst enemy.
I'm currently a deist because I'm a hopeless romantic like that.
Benjamin King Thank you thank you!!!! Yes, yes. You told my story as well, very eloquently. I remember the first time I had ecstatic feeling that I knew weren't from the 'holy spirit'. LOL!! Instantly I knew that these were physically oriented and induced feelings. And yes, most believers are barely coherent in their beliefs. Even in the most dedicated, fundamental, spirit-filled churches, I would find maybe 20%, that really believed like I did.. It's great to be free from faith!!!!
@216trixie
Thank you for the positive feedback as well - cheers to you and your journey.
It seems to be the case that there are countless testimonies like ours to be found throughout History, crossing many lands and traditions. More so now that people can discuss these issues without risk of being branded as witches/pagans/satan worshipers. What we can do is make our entire lives a search for truth.
It is possible to believe in miracles without believing the laws of physics ever need to be broken in order for the miracle to be demonstrated. The miracle is in the thing itself.
Perchance the miracle also lies in the statistical certainty of our existence. There are more miracles to be found when you discover things like the mechanics behind the evolution of Mammalian Auditory Ossicles from the upper jaw bones of fish into a re-purposed mammalian eardrum or the connections which have been drawn between rock chemistry and metabolism. For me, the universe has become the rarest flower on the highest mountain. I am very thankful for the lucky glance and I won't take it for granted.
I think much of the so-called civilized world is suffering from what has been called 'organized schizophrenia'. I highly recommend the Stanford lectures by Robert Sapolsky if you haven't seen him yet - I think you might dig his methods.
I'll look into Robert Sapolsky...And again, you just beautifully stated thoughts and feeling of mine. I am so glad, and feel privileged to be alive especially at this time in history. Take care.
216trixie this is the case with my cousin, he claims to have had a spiritual experience were he saw Christ, and claims he has had more visions about him since. Personally I believe he has spent a substantial amount of time researching personal experiences of believers and the circular argument of how spirituality is much more than anything involving the nature of our reality in a natural world, he can't accept that it's a possiblity that he either did experience a legitamite miracle or he experienced a brain/psychological episode, he claims science can only prove that which is, but it can't explain spiritual proof. Any tips for me to counter his claims?
Matt's comments on how the "ark" tries to address many of the practical objections to the concept of caring for all those animals reminded me of visiting Provo Utah decades ago and touring a museum which showed how it *could* have been possible for the thirteenth tribe to have sailed to South America, as well as addressing other problems with LDS church teachings.
Really wish you would make your podcast a vodcast. I like being able to see the people talking. Great content though, as always, which does at least make up for some of the lack of visual stimulus.
Very interesting and engaging conversation about the Ark Encounter Seth and Matt !
It would have to be very rapid evolution, of many species, before the great-grandchildren noticed and people would have started to talk about it. No records of anyone being shocked by suddenly having many types of felids or canids.
Every single christian espouses a different version of what christianity is? You would almost think it was..., I don't know...imaginary???
zenman5910 Nah, my parents found the real version and now I'm the only one who has it. Jesus won't reveal the truth to anyone else because they suck, period
And people don't espouse different interpretations of "freedom" and what is "Constitutional"? Congratulations on realizing the contrarian aspect of human beings. It is true not only when it comes to faith, but politics, sexuality and life in general.
That debate between bill bye and ken ham turned me atheist...so I am extremely grateful!
Matt has made these arguments so many times that he has whittled them down to their essence. It's truly wonderful to hear what I consider his art form. It has a way of clearing my mind.
It makes me sad that those trees died for that building.
Me too.
Well sadness is a chemical reaction in your brain and doesn't actually exist according to atheists. Just like you not having any purpose in life.
@@rs72098Imagine the purpose of your life being to build half a massive imaginary boat...
I wonder how easy it would be to get arrested at the Ark.
Are the dinos rideable?
Sure. Didn't you see the saddles on them. He doesn't say if they rode the carnivores like T Rex tho.
@Mark Gee, it's almost like they have something to hide!
I'm so ashamed that my state is the home for this absurdity. I assure everyone, we wear shoes and we know fairy tales when we hear them (most of us).
+ Nefarion
Maybe you shall begin with a Swedish tradition:
ruclips.net/video/-0WdbR4HwtU/видео.html
I'm sure it's nice there but maybe it would be a good idea to find a place to stay out of state? Sounds like some economic strife may be coming to Kentucky in full force
On behalf of all Australians I apologise for Ken Ham and the amount of Kentucky Tax Payers' money he has pissed away. (But we don't want him back.!!!)
They could add a Jesus guy to the Ark to emphasize that the Ark is purely christian. He could just appear to the people attending & sell his autograph. for another $5.00 OR 10.00. :-)
Well your state gave us bourbon, fried chicken, and Hunter S. Thompson so there's that
20:00 Hey, I use a pterodactyl for a record player !!!
Oohhh Joy! Can't wait to listen to this podcast!
So, I've listened to Mr. Ham and the god he believes in is omniscient and omnipotent. Since he is the creator of the universe plus omniscient, we can postulate that, with all knowledge of everything past, present and future, he knows about everything, including the smallest particle. With that he programmed the universe. No free will, people. With omniscience comes everything is preordained. The conflict is so overwhelming that it hurts to see people deny it.
Here's what has me confused. Based on what I've heard, the employees had to sign a "Statement of Faith" in order to be hired. I'm not versed in KY employment laws, but wouldn't being required to sign such a document, in order to be considered for employment violate the EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) guidelines? Wouldn't that be considered a discriminatory practice? Or did Ham find a way to circumvent the EEOC entirely?
Kentucky has apparently decided to collectively shrug and let them get away with it. It looks to be a clear violation of Title VII. It's in sort of a grey area with regards to what is called the "Ministerial Exception" which states a church or religious organization is allowed to discriminate when employees are required to perform ministerial duties. What, exactly, preparing food and direction traffic has to do with "Ministerial Duties" you'd have to ask Kentucky. The thing that blows MY mind is that every one of the poor cretins that works there, from the tour guides to the poop scoopers in the petting zoo, are required to pay a 2% tax THAT NO OTHER WORKERS IN KENTUCKY ARE REQUIRED TO PAY in order to help pay for the damned thing. Unbelievable but it shows how foolish Fundies actually are and how disingenuous politicians can be. As if anyone needed more proof of THAT.
The entire problem with the Ark Encounter is the target audience. Ken Ham says it's all Christians, but it's not. The target audience is Ken Ham himself.
Dave Kreskowiak
Catholics aren't christians according to nut-jobs like him.
I suspect there are some Trump fans among them.
Anyone want to conduct a joke protest calling Ham unfair for ignoring the Assyrian, Babylonian, and Akadian versions of the Noah story that the Hebrews copied from during their time in captivity in the Babylonian Empire?
Fredrick Laverdiere they have a display showing how their version is true because their boat is seaworthty and the others are not, one is a cube.
Of course their evidence is a cartoon of the various arks riding up and down huge waves. Waves 2 times higher than the BSO itself. Not anything like a report from a navel architect.
Wow. That makes the stupidity even worse.
They also address the "fictional" version of the story normally represented in children's books. You know the ones with 2 giraffes sticking their heads out the top.
BSO = Boat Shaped Object :)
Damn, I live in Cincinnati. I wish I knew when they'd be there. I would love to meet Matt in person.
I can't see anyone going twice to this folly.
I was interested in going to see the Ark Encounter someday because the animal models are really well done. However, seeing them would NOT be worth the $40 admission. Even the Metropolitan Museum of Art (one of the highest museum ticket prices around according to travel sites, and a MUCH better place to visit) only charges $25.
Alyenbird I've heard there is at $10 charge for parking.
If anyone Is wondering about the wood used they should search Accoya acetylated wood. On the web site there's a picture of the ark. The staining they mention isn't a sign of deterioration, I'm guessing the wood is just unvarnished, Accoya lasts for years and hardly swells even when immersed in water. Also it's not cheap. Still it's very much a modern product and not the wood supposedly used in the bibble. Also it smells like vinegar.
I've had battered spouse syndrome with the mythical sky daddy too.
more please
Why does the intropicture show you two in front of a graphic depicting Dolphins and Whales and saying "Noah did not need to bring any of these"... I thought he had Pakycetus as a specimen in his animatronic "zoo"? So he DID bring these Nostrilbreathers contradicting his own stupid sign... and invoking a ridiculously fast evolution of at least 40 million years since Pakicetus in less than 4500 years.
Ken Ham cannot stay with a single story even in his own domain with nobody twisting his words around in his mouth.
Ha! Not to mention the fact that all sea life, which are (mostly) adapted for salt water, would have died in a flood of fresh water as the salt would have been diluted to such a degree as to make the sea unlivable. Some may have survived, I know that the bull shark and, possibly, the great white have been found pretty far upstream.
That's hilarious.
He didnt need any because it never happened. That bit of the sign is hidden by Matt.
Also the fact that if the waters covered all of the land on Earth, then the Ark would have to have risen to an altitude higher than Mount Everest (29,029 feet, or approximately 6 miles high).At that altitude, most of the animals would have frozen to death; and the ones which didn't, would have died of asphyxiation from the extremely thin air; along with all of the humans on board as well.
+Cheshire Kat
And then there's the awesome atmospheric firestorm caused by the evaporation of so much water... I believe we're talking about a pressure cooking radiation of roughly 6,000 degrees!
So cool! Matt played (plays?) AD&D! Wow! You're the bes!
How people can absolutely contort, distort, and disfigure logic and reasoning to such an extent is unfathomably difficult to understand. But the HUGE contradictions that allow, for example, the simultaneity of a perfect god with a perfect plan and a god whose mind can be changed by prayer, or a beautifully “intelligently designed” (flat) planet that is also “fallen”, corrupt, and awful are just impossible for me to grasp.
20:00 Looking at pictures of the diorama online, it looks like the dinosaur they used was a Carnotaurus. A fascinating little fellow - looks like they even got the position of the arms right...but they missed the feathers that it almost definitely would have had.
So, how do tou store a years dupply of various foods for each animal species including fresh meat and vegetables?
Carnotaurus, Matt. Not a mutant T-Rex XD
At 43.58 there's a great anecdote by Seth followed by one of Dillahunty's best little monologue bites. Worth a listen.
I have to think that Seth and Matt are feigning some incredulousness at the beginning of the video. One of the things that makes the two of them credible in a way that Sam Harris, or Bill Maher, or even Richard Carrier isn't is that Seth and Matt came out of fundamentalism. They should not be shocked by anything in the Creation Museum. I often, very often come across atheists who simply don't understand fundamentalism.
Bill Maher after 9/11 said an amazingly insightful thing, one of the most insightful things to come out of that time immediately following the attack. He said that the muslim fundamentalists who attacked said that they did it because of their religion and that maybe we should listen to them. Rather than the "religion of peace" nonsense that George W. Bush was peddling, maybe we should listen to the attackers regarding their reasons for the attack. This is incredibly ironic considering a decade and a half later, Bill would be one of my top atheist apologists for christianity. Why do we not listen when christians tell us they are fighting a holy war? Why not when GW said that "God told him" to attack Iraq? Why not when Congressmen like Clay Higgins says that, _"The free world… all of Christendom… is at war with Islamic horror?"_ When US Generals frame our current war as a continuation of the crusades? Why do we ignore that the opposition to action on climate change is based on verses in Genesis and Isaiah? All religious people, all supernaturalists from Betsy DeVos to Shirley MacClain believe nonsensical impossible things, and they have every right to. If praying for rain or sitting cross-legged in a closet contemplating your naval makes you feel better, have at it, but we should not be basing policy on things as unsupported by evidence as my last fortune cookie.
Anyway, a little taken aback by the OMG, look at what they believe from these guys, who I'm pretty sure to have sat through a Sunday school class or two.
As far as the viewers choice show. Would like to hear more about the Mythicist Milwaukee elephant. Would love to hear you and Aron discuss it. I have no idea what the other speakers' ideas are and don't see how it affects whether you have a right to decide to speak or not. It should certainly, IMO, be alright to distance yourself from the perception of racism or sexism or whatever. Seems being a speaker is a completely at will decision and you have every right to decide the terms you're comfortable with.
20:00 I've seen a picture of that picture. If I remember correctly they tried to depict a South-American genus called Carnotaurus. Mind you I don't know if they themselves knew what it is called.
What vexes me the most is that apparently it is a specific condition of employment that you sign a document stating that you believe in God. How is this not a blatant discrimination case?
Every knee shall bow.
Brilliant.
The dinosaur adorned with golden tipped horns is supposed to be a Carnotaurus. However, it was indigenous to South America, not the Middle East.
The Carnotaurus model doesn't actually look that bad (minus the gold)... recognised it immediately. As repugnant as the thought of all that wasted money is, at least they, or more likely the vaguely competent company they paid for a dinosaur model, used a real dinosaur.
#RexRankor indeed, and it actually looks modelled on actual up do date reconstructions rather than some movie incarnation like in Disney's "Dinosaur", unlike the models in the actual Creation Museum which look modelled on the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park.
Employee: are you an atheist?
Me: No, I just did not read my shirt before I left this morning.
disney world is 59 dollars per person for general addmision. The Natural History Museume in NY is 22 an adult, 12 kid.
Plus, Disney's boat is more sea worthy and with a better movie series to boot.
obviously i haven't been (i'm a brit and also i'm not stupid) but i have seen quite a few videos now, and whereas it might be so that a big boat with hundreds of thousands of animals might need to be full with containers for them, and containers for the supplies, it has struck me that the "experience" is just row upon row upon row of empty containers. so, you go to theme park for boxes and vases basically.
and let's be clear, it's an exhibit of something that never happened.
It's truly bizarre that in the UK we have a largely moribund christianist state religion and virtually no YEC problem. Gawdblessa Murca
Fantasia meets Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
Where's the link?
Get taken for a ride at the Ark Encounter!
video starts at 5:43
The price is high to keep out the troublemakers and jokers; they figure, pretty rightly, that only true believers would shell out $40 for it. Also, I wonder if the back and forth path is deliberate, to make the ark seem larger.
Did they add the screams of the drowning?
It sounded like it in some other videos I’ve watched.
I would have paid to join them on this visit.
That picture is funny. They don't know about salinity of the water.
Whales would have died because they survive on krill who live in the salt water. Krill in fresh water would die after a few minutes. Whales need 40 million krill or 8,000 pounds every day.
Who told Ken that dinosaurs lived alongside man!?!? 🤔 IJS
I always loved the flintstones i had no idea it was a documentary.
Wait what? An animal-powered giant toilet??? Holy (literally) crap! Ham's giant cross between a white elephant and a tax dodge is not a place I should ever visit. They'd throw me out for laughing hysterically.
$40 for that crap? You could spend the day riding rollercoasters at cedar point for example for that price.
If I'm capable of designing a TV that never breaks, but instead decide to make TVs that do. Is it the television's fault for breaking? Or would it be mine?
Had to laugh when the ad before this video is for a xtian bookstore, emphasizing the "living" bible.
43:40 I don't know, Paulogia was seemingly surveilled at the Creation Museum, so I imagine Seth and Matt could have been.
One new feature could be an animatronic Ian Juby jukebox.
I'm glad they paid for them to go to this. I knew it would be entertaining
After a little calculation, assuming the average land elevation above sea level is about 0.5 miles above sea level, and the peak of everest is 5.68 miles above sea level, you can calculate the volume of water needed to flood the earth to the highest peak - more than 1 billion cubic miles. Tee total volume of water on earth is 333 million cubic miles. THEREFORE, it would take 3 times the amount of water found on earth to flood it to the highest peak...that's hard to explain.
zsw3958 What's even harder to explain is WHERE ALL THAT FUCKING WATER IS NOW.
My take on this podcast is that the arc encounter is so worthless that you gentlemen could only squeeze out a few minutes of description and had to talk about religion in general. This is not a complaint, just an observation. I always enjoy your discussions.
Geil!! Would love to watch this video! Sadly my girlfriend has a hard time atm and wants to pray and ask me to join her.. maybe it makes her feel better but i m afraid i wont make her happy if i join!!! how ever! i m gonna watch this video as soon as i find time for it!
What I would want to know why, Ken Ham thinks the top of the food chain (Dinosaurs) became extinct before the cute fluffy animals. As according to Ham they were all on the Ark. WELL KEN????
20:00 that dino in the arena is a carnotaurus. i play ark survival evolved xD
My wife and I take our kids almost yearly and it’s generally packed. The money is well worth it. The ark itself is awesome to behold, it’s built to the dimensions in the Bible. Around the ark is a petting zoo and other attractions for kids. Inside the ark there is tons of scientific exhibits, historical records, and biblical information. The ark is full of stuff. It’s awesome.
intelligence breeds intelligence, same works for the lack of intelligence. In this day and age where information is at your fingertips, the lack of intelligence is a choice.
Tongue in groove siding would be a bad idea on an ark. Hope Noah's sons were good ship carpenters
When this place goes under, sinks, or crashes on the iceberg of truth. I hope I can get some of the wood, I would like to make a table, some birdhouses and maybe a bench or better yet maybe a model of the titanic. That would be neat.
If they can answer the question of how they solved the oxygen supply for 40 days because the Ark would have had to have been air tight or it would have taken on water and sank because of the amount of rain that would have been falling, I might go see this wood pile. Also if they would have had replica of all the bird droppings from 35,000 birds which would have had to have been kept inside the ark because of the amount of rain falling, that would be something to see. Not to mention the fish tanks and a variety of Eco systems needed to house the aquatic species that would have been destroyed in this type of catastrophe.
Seth needs a thug life T-shirt for that thumbnail.. Lol!
Ken should have built his Ark in a more practical location where rising oceans will eventually swallow up big chunks of our land...
Preparing for the storm, right? I see the rain haven’t even come. The ark doesn’t even float.
When are skeptics and humanists going to start flying their ads on Joyce Myers vids ?
Wait, dinosaurs on the Colosseum. I thought Ham was one of those saying nothing ate meat before the flood, so I don't see dinosaurs just outright killing them for no reason.
Shane Wilson I believe it was before the fall of adam
I think the name of the dinosaur in the diorama they are trying to describe, is a Carnotaurus. I had to look up the name in order to make sure I was spelling it correctly. They're right, the diorama looked cool, but the Ark Encounter trying to pass it off as fact, is laughable.
Careful everyone, if you mock too much, Ken Ham will have you thrown to the Dinosaurs ;-) lmao
The only way for a global flood is to adopt the ancient view of the world being a flat plane encased inside a snow globe type structure immersed inside water. The flood happened when water was allowed to flood the inside of this snow globe then somehow was let out later after everything was drowned. Then god apologised. promised never to do that again, and invented rainbows. It sounds so plausible!
Funny thing about that rainbow..
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If Eve was formed from a rib then why is there still Dickey's Barbecue? ✋😂💪😂👋😂
hey y'all sorry i missed you
Please don’t tell me you took your shirt off at the water park…..
Do small amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals really need lots of room?? I understand lions, bears, rhinos, but small kittens and small rodents don't need lots of room. It was only for a year.
The methane poison from the 💩 would have killed them in a week. On the Titanic with hundreds of workers they removed one ton of 💩 every day making Noah's ark logistically impossible. They would've died from methane poison.
Something that would be fun (but expensive, and dont want to give them the money) would be to hire people to go in there to fill it out to the max!! and then count how many people would fit :) i guess humans does not take up much more space then all the millions of animals that would fit right??
The fact that nonsense like this exists just underlines that as a species we've got a long way to go. I hope in the future our ancestors look back on this kinda stuff with the same disdain we regard those of medieval times
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the dinosaurs is carnotaurus
A monument to human ignorance.
I'm surprised there was no mention of Aron Ra's excellent multi-part video series on debunking Noah's Ark.
Would've been a lot better if it showed them walking through it
I’m so proud that my state of Kentucky has the Ark encounter and the creation museum. So much scientific evidence that supports the biblical account that you never get to hear about because it doesn’t fit the anti-God worldview that is popular today.
ken ham is a few cans short of a six pack !
Anyone wanna go to the creationist museum on a free day?
Do they have a free day??
only half bad 333 It's ken ham so I'm guessing not.
Hell no, I wuld not waste my time.
If they offerd to pay me or donate to a charity of my choice i would think about it. No i would probably not even go on a free day. If I was desparate for a good laugh I might consider it......if they paid me maybe...
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But it'll be good for a laugh...
...and you'd get to ride a (stuffed) triceratops with a saddle!
I live essentially in the middle between The Ark and the Creation Museum. And boy am i proud of that fact, lmao. Can’t believe these things not only still exist but are still being built to willfully lie to children about the what’s and why’s of our existence on this little rock
You guys are forgetting that for the true believers of the bible, this is something so special that they will part with any amount of money to help reaffirm their delusion.
Everybody, go see the ARk Encounter! How else is Willamstown supposed to pay off all those junk bonds?
My question is "how old were the women when they started to reproduce?" Did they wait until they were older, 18-19 years old, or as soon as they hit puberty which would mean that babies were having babies and if that is the case, how could they ever say anything about pedophilla?
It's also like when your children misbehave after you said "don't eat the cookie" and they did, you as the parent will now punish your grandchildren for what your kids did when you told them not to eat the cookie...
It's free money for Ken... not like he went into debt creating the ark... it's not just the money donated but the state and legal abilities he can get almost free of charge to be able to hide money...
He knew pz Meyers was there and commented in his show
So when I die, God will mic drop when I arrive at the gates... Ha, you were wrong!!! Drop..
The dinosaurs left me puzzled on many, many levels.
Ikr. They have a species of animals that went extinct sixty-five million years ago on an ark in the fantasy world of six thousand years old, plus the fact that he have carnivores eating grains when their teeth is built for meat is disturbing.
Ever notice that Christian sources fund these videos with ads ?
When Europeans went to Africa after the Americas had been discovered they found an existing slave industry and tribal slave culture that had existed for thousands of years. Slaves were already available for sale. And plenty more were found to fill the needs for healthy plantation workers that could tolerate European and tropical diseases. Most of the American Indian population was destroyed by European diseases. In Asian plantations they could use good Indian low cast workers or poor Chinese. There was no great need for African slaves in Asia Pacific plantation economies. European workers were not suitable for working in tropical regions. As small a number of European soldiers were used in these areas due to high death rates. So native troops of various regions were used to supplement European armies. And often used in other areas rather than their own homeland territories. Another option was to use one ethnic troops against other cultures. Sometimes arming minority population troops. And also manage bureaucracy services. More educated Indian workers often filled government roles in other regions. India itself was largely controlled by various educated Indian groups. Chinese businessmen were also widely used to support various industries. Often in trading of various groups. So many methods were used to run plantation economies with as few European workers and troops as possible. In Northern America Europeans were much better suited to live and work. Many poor or oppressed Europeans migrated to the North to develop agriculture. Slaves were generally wanted as they would compete with free Europeans. Irish migrants were unpopular at times as they provided cheap labor competing with existing workers. Local American Indians were sometimes used as soldiers and many were involved in trading. They did not compete with European farmers much. Slaves were also unwelcome in much of Europe. Britain had plenty of cheap local workers for the industrial revolution. The British were early in turning against slavery and making the slave trade illegal. . And the Royal Navy was used to destroy the African slave infrastructure and trade. Later joined by US forces. An early US attack was against the slave trade and piracy in North Africa at Tripoli to free American and European slaves . Long before the US Civil War. The US Navy in 1812 began attacking Royal Navy ships because American sailors were being press ganged into Royal Navy ships. Britain had had a shortage of troops to manage its empire. For many years some poor German states provided Britain with good quality troops. Many serving in America. And played a significant role in the Napoleonic wars. Napoleon made a big mistake by selling its rights to the Mississippi Valley territories to the US. Russia also sold Alaska to the US not realizing the rich natural resources that existed. The Mississippi territories and river allowed the US to connect the two distant coasts and open up a huge area for trade and transport along the rivers. Becoming extremely profitable. Only needing suppression of Indian populations. Hawaii was an independent republic until annexed by the US in 1898 with its natural resources and strategic location. Some other territories were taken from the Spanish.
I can't say I agree with your decision about Mythicist Milwaukee. There are certain people who tried to silence debate here. You validated their actions and in the end only hurt our cause.
Details for those of us not there?
Seth pulled out of the conference because he believes everything Steve Shives says about Sargon of Akkad
Seth has a right and responsibility to associate only with people he wants to associate with and to only participate in things he thinks are productive. Here is his statement:
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Yes, I've seen it. Lots of BS.
NoExitLoveNow - sounds like a religious person sticking their heads in the sand as to not burst their bubble. You should only associate with member of the church. The rest are heathens.
Sargon is a liberal, stand for liberal values and is not what someone like Shives claims him to be. Seth should have been the skeptic he claims to be and hear him out. Same goes for ShoeOnHead and Armored skeptic(though I don't personally like their presentation"style") None of these individuals have ever said anything bigoted or misogynist. The all defend equality of opportunity.