Dumping PHEV For Full Electric! Our Friends Go Big w/ Kia EV9 - Great Lease Deal & Full Tour
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2024
- Our friends trade in their BMW X5 45e PHEV for a Kia EV9 GT-Line. Check out Nic's thoughts on going from a PHEV to an EV, a BMW to a Kia, and the lease deal that he got at Fort Collins Kia.
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0:00 - Hello & Welcome
0:58 - BMW X5 45e PHEV to Kia EV9 GT-Line
6:22 - EV9 Quick Look
8:09 - The Rivian Numbers Problem
16:10 - EV9 Lease Deal
23:35 - BMW To Kia / Interior Tour
37:08 - Home Charging
40:04 - Final Thoughts
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Honestly I thought Colton was just brilliant at this review. Actually superbly natural in his presentation and continuity. So, I think Colton should do more of this work because he is very adept. What does everyone else think? By the way, I haven’t forgotten that Colton has a full-on detailing business to run too !
Agree. He’s just so good at telling us what’s worth knowing. It’s also the reason I watch some of his detailing videos though that’s not something I’m really that interested in.
Where is his X5 ? - I would like to buy it.
Colton did great
We did SIMILAR back in March: traded in wife's beloved Kia Sorento SX Prestige PHEV for the brand new Kia EV9 Light... and LOVE IT.
We had leased the Sorento and was into two years of a three year lease. We had leased this vehicle for this EXACT reason: to 'wait' patiently for a THREE-ROW seated SUV pure EV.... KIA came to the rescue before FORD did(and, if they ever do, with a EV EXPLORER).
We traded it in, with the balance of the lease as part of the deal - trade-in allowance was basically the price we owed for the lease balance.
We LEASED the new EV9, to INCLUDE the full TAX REBATE, and immediately PAID OFF THE LEASE, in full, the very next month, never having made a single 'lease' payment.
Our '22 F150 LIGHTNING and a new '24 EV9 in the carport looks good, feels good, drives good, and IS good : ) it's ALL good : )
Both are SR battery packs, and we ROAD TRIP all the time, and love it!
I asked Rivian the same question and they said the same. $1000 is needed before they can give me an actual payment amount. A dealbreaker
Of course
Ridiculous! You have to pay for a quotation? Tell them to keep their EV.
Huh???
Yeah, that is absurd!!!
BTW, thought this was a fantastic interview and review of the customer experience with the car, reasons for buying, financing etc. Well done.
We had a Niro PHEV, certainly a few steps below a BWM PHEV but we didn't keep it long either. PHEVs just aren't that good and once you buy one you find it uses the gas engine much more than you expected. 30-40 miles of range just isn't that much in the real world and they need to be charged constantly and after every drive. We traded it for an Ioniq 5 and it's been much better in every way. I see no reason to go back to a PHEV anymore.
Nick if you decided to buy out the lease, no worries, I have a 2020 Kia Soul EV Limited Trim (64KWH battery) here in Canada with almost 100K KM, only issue was the 12volt Lead Acid battery which I replaced with a AGM in year 1, never had another dead battery after doing that and it is a great runabout addition with our 2023 Telse Model Y Long Range AWD for road tripping. Kia's EV's are so very reliable!
only problem is a kia battery costs 60k to replace
@@Chris-hw4mq No reason to replace the whole pack if there is an issue with one or 2 modules, who ever quoted you this you need to talk to Kia Cooperate as they will investigate any battery issues especially with some dealers that are not fully trained on battery servicing.
@@berthogendoorn2133 last year there was a scandal ioniq 5/ kia ev6 owners got quotes from dealers to replace batteries at the cost of 60k so when you buy a EV think of the battery. Kia/Hyundai "Warranty" isnt the best on the car market they do this even to conventional cars where they refuse to change blown engines.
Thanks for this review and the amount of details. I currently have an X3 and thinking about going for an EV6 or similar EV.
we just traded our MB R350 for EV9 and Fiat 500L for Niro EV - saving ~$1000 on gas monthly.
You spend $1000 a month on gas? How many miles a month do you drive?
@@mowcowbell total around 3300-3700 depends on my business demand. Gas in my area 5.15/5.45
@@bigusiak Ahh, I forgot about how expensive gas is on the coasts. Paid $3.09 yesterday for 87 octane E10 in Okla City. Normally drive my Tesla Model Y, so haven't paid much attention to fuel prices.
I think you got a great deal on this EV9. IMO you should try to keep daily charging to 80% through. Yes you are leasing and it’s not your problem but I want the person buying the car after to have a good experience in most likely their first EV. That’s what I am doing with my Kona which is nearing the end of its 4 year lease and is still able to hit the EPA 258 mile range.
I've had a pretty similar lease price to what he has with his EV9 and mine was on a 2015 Kia Soul EV nothing like the EV9! Great job on chosing a great EV to have a great lease!
Just traded a second generation Chevy Volt plug in for a Tesla X. Loving the range and the fast charging when on the road.
It's such a great suv in itself!
Come on Rivian. Big fan, but do better with that financing and trade in process. That hurts the business. What's the point of not going to a dealer if you still have a bad financing / trade in process.
Tesla has the exact same lowball trade-in process.
Colton, that was a great video and Nick, you got a great deal. Colton, do you think these lease deals will last through the end of the year?
Really great interview for someone like me looking for a family EV.
Thanks! Interesting. Rivian pricing issue is nuts!
That tire inflation kit needs to stay out of the EV9… They keep exploding and leak everywhere. Congrats on the purchase!
Colton - I would love if you could put out a video on taking care of the EV9 with a matte paint finish. We just got ours and are trying to learn how to take care of it properly.
When u walk in th dealership please remember u have th right to walk away empty handed
You get out of the car, presumably you're taking the key with you. If they key goes out of range (basically anywhere outside car) while it's on, the car will make quite a bit of noise. Leaving the car on and walking away will have to be a very intentional act.
Cheers guys
I felt the same way till I worked in Korea. K9 was crazy.
I had a friend sit in my IONIQ 5 that is 6’5” and then I attempted to sit in the backseat behind him at 6’0” and did not fit as good. Congratulations 🎉 42:09
I bought an EV9 from that dealer too and had it shipped to Alabama and tho their people were pretty fantastic and the deal was good, the process it a bit lengthy and cumbersome. I understand why they do it how they do, but just so people know, it is a bit of a process to go thru to buy and ship. Also, my vehicle arrived with a nail in the tire, but they took care of me and got it shipped to my local Kia (They could not get a hold of that tire for what would have been weeks...) and it's been well taken care of. All in all, a really good dealership to deal with, if your local Kia places are not acting right. One of ours wouldn't honor the $7500 Kia discount without financing thru Kia and the other dealers didnt have the spec we wanted.
The 7500 discount only ever applies if you're leasing through Kia financial. EV9 is not assembled in the US so you can't get the consumer version of the 7500 tax credit. However, Kia financial is allowed that credit if they are financing the lease.
This is exactly the same for every single EV from every brand that is ineligible for the consumer version of the federal EV credit. It also works the same way if you're ineligible due to not meeting the income limits (150k single, 300k joint); you can't get ANY EV with the 7500 credit, unless you lease, which is a sort of loophole.
@@kimolas Is he maybe referring to the $7,500 cash offer? "$7,500 Customer Cash from Kia America for the purchase of a new 2024 EV9 and not available for cash. Subject to vehicle availability and dealer participation. Offers may not be combined except where specified. Must take delivery by 7/8/2024. Limited inventory available. Offer not available for leases. See Kia retailer for available stock."
@@kimolas yes, the Kia $7500 cash offer which is separate from the tax credit is what I was referring to when I made this post (replying from one of my other accounts)
Just to confirm, did you get the Colorado $5k rebate as well even though you are in Alabama?
@@korzhik7 No. That is for Colorado residents only (I wish Alabama had something! all we got is to pay a yearly $200 fee for owning an EV in this very red state...). I got the $7500 Kia incentive, and they also knocked like 4k off the MSRP.
EV9's are sitting on lots unsold in OKC, even with $15K off the MSRP.
If your CB panel can handle the load, you could just swap the 30 amp breaker for a 50 amp breaker and set your charge station for 40 amps (to allow for the 20% overhead). You'd be able to charge quite a bit faster. A new build home with only a 30 amp breaker on a NEMA 14-50R is anemic.
PS: Make sure you have the proper gauge copper wires before swapping to a 50 amp breaker.
And by "make sure," you should be getting a new permit and inspection after the breaker swap.
It's easy to diy a 50 amp circuit with 6/3 romex.
I’d love a “drive around a cynic” video sometime.
Who is into frunk usage can enjoy the Ford F150 Lightning or wait until the Ford Explorer counterpart of Lightning.
I haven’t (passively) heard anything on an Explorer EV.
Didn’t Ford announce they were postponing new EV models by at least a few years?
@@DurfDiggler Most automakers had their fortunes in China. Since EV manufacturing is suffering a blood bath in Chine and EVs not holding the value in the USA thus dropping the interest in sales, the traditional automakers decided to slow down electrification. We will see what happens but I call it market adjustment after crazy price spike of 2022 post Covid19 pandemic.
@@nevco8774 Re: dropping interest & sales - I think there is still too much “FUD” with EVs; some concerns more legitimate than others. Maybe when these elusive Solid State Batteries (or whatever the next gen battery tech ends up being called) are performant, reliable, and affordable, then EVs will be more widely adopted. IE: towing mileage; if you had a truck that could tow for 300 miles, for closer to the cost of an ICE truck, the sales will def be better. … assuming electricity is still relatively cheap, but who knows what will happen in that timeline!
I get peeved when an individual is making politically-influenced arguments against EVs.
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Makes my heart hurt that you pass on the battery degradation to the next owner. It is a rare occasion you need to charge above 80% outside of road trips.
$1400 a month! Why do people hurt themselves financial to rent a car for a few years? Great EV so congrats! I still only want an EV on the supercharger network but perhaps Tesla has ended that need. We will know in a year or so.
Different strokes for different folks. Maybe he has mucho dineros and don't want to own a car.
Stop focusing on the monthly and focus on the negotiated price and APR.
Not much different than a model x. Expensive luxury cars are expensive...
Ft Collins Kia is th BEST
Really curious if he considered an iX given that he is a
BMW guy.
Consumer Reports (CR) has guidelines on how to purchase or lease a new vehicle. CR often even knows what the dealer paid the manufacturer for the vehicle. I used the service once and made one mistake. Maybe two. The first mistake was showing the sales rep the price he paid for the car and asking how close could he could meet that price. He rejected me immediately and wouldn't talk. The other mistake was getting a deal that we ultimately accepted but we allowed the guy to put a timeline on us. We should have walked. There are other dealers. The car was not the best in its class but it was near the top. We/I drove it for 20 years.
Anyway, I feel compelled to comment because the deal making with the trade-in sounded complicated. That's what dealers like. CR tries to simplify the process by doing the math before you approach the dealership. Know what you want or can afford to pay. The new vehicle and the old vehicle should never be mixed. Can you imagine buying a new pair of jeans and including the pair you're wearing as a trade ln?
I'm not a fan of CR's overall take on EVs, but buying and selling a vehicle is largely the same regardless of how it is powered.
First mistake is not getting a Rivian r1s
Nick, you did right and Thanks Fort Collins Kia, and of course thanks Kia for such an awesome EV, you continue to lead the way on EV's!
Thought that would be Mary
Nice to see the switch away from fossil fuels in real time
We went from an X3 to an MY. Very happy with our decision.
$1400 a month for a car? WOW
Very informative! I really want an ev9. By the way, how tall is nick??? He makes the ev9 look like a Kia soul!
6-5.5
Try to count the number of times he uses the word "like", good luck.
Have you met someone who’s originally from another county? It’s great real life content and that’s what you get out of it… 🙄
Great car!! Ev9 looks way better in person
If you’re paying that much why not do r1s?…
There’s like 10 minutes of the video devoted to why not rivian
Rivian's sales interface with potential customers is off-putting and frankly...Stupid. I wonder how many potential customers this has driven away, and not in Rivians.
We Had a 2015 KIA Sorento, it was as reliable as and anvil and got great MPG if driven efficiently. .
love your videos, and im sure its more profitable to do long videos, but i cant watch a whole 40 minutes. find myself skipping through bits
While not explicitly stated, this video was clearly sponsored by FoCo Kia.
They did say they are partnering with that company near the beginning of the video.
@@Thardas Okay, fair enough.
Plus, after the dealership literally just gave OOS an EV9 for a year, the dealership deserves the nod. They're good cars, so it's not like they are pushing crap.
Not really sponsored, but Kyle did say that Out of Spec would continue to subtly promote the dealer. The dealer didn’t actually expect endorsement as a return for loaning a long term EV9, but OOS just always includes a “hey thanks for that!”
Very nice, thanks for sharing, I have liked the EV9 since Kyle's first review. If I was in the market for an Electric SUV, it would be an EV9. Very nice color as well.
EV9 review… 25% of time dissing Rivian.
If you’re wondering if you can afford the lease, you can’t…
I’m sorry, but anybody that has to go to a charging station with a phev Is seriously mentally deficient, as somebody that owns an X5 plug-in the whole point of having that type of car is that you can charge it at home either one over the course of the night or a couple hours with a 220 outlet. If your car has the ability to run on gasoline, you should not be at a charging station, EV nine looks nice though
Did they say how much the residual was? I might have missed it, hard to focus on a 42 min video just talking leasing a new car.
1st world problems 1300 car payments
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1400 a month 🤮. Priorities dude Jesus
Focusing on the monthly payment rather than negotiated car price, APR, and term length is kinda wrong. If he bought a couple years ago I'm sure he got a terrible rate, but even 10k per month can be a better deal than 100 per month depending on those variables.
My thoughts exactly
@@kimolas I’m paying way too much on a great deal? No the terms are gross 😆. People will attempt to argue anything if it justifies their poor decisions.
@@walkerdarin2003 not every loan has the same term length. Even a 17k car on a 12 month term will cost around 1400 per month at 0%. Focusing on the monthly price is something we tend to see financially illiterate people do.
Agree. Jesus first
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What bad advice charge it to 💯 this what get when you have a non tech person pretending to be technical
What electrician thought a 30 amp breaker on a 14-50 made sense? The 50 in 14-50 is there for a reason.
It's common practice.
@@AbolishCommunism it might be, but he specifically stated he might want to charge an ev. It costs $20 more for a 50amp GFCI breaker (I assume the house is new enough and the electrician was aware that a GFCI breaker was required).
Just install the 50 amp breaker. And use an industrial rated 14-50 socket.
Unless of course the electrician went 8/3 or worse. Just thought about that.
Grand car the Kia EV9
Yawn…..
R1S > EV9
Well it’s also more expensive, so it should be.
The R1S price starts where the EV9 tops out. They each have their pluses and minuses. Android auto/Carplay, 800V architecture , Kia warranty/stable company, the EV9 has more interior space, captain chairs etc... I personally went R1S, but i can see why the EV9 is attractive for many
@@muden10 ok so your logic is that the more the price is hight the more the car is better lol
@@xavierdupuis8 it isn’t rocket science. If you pay more, you should get more, no?
@@xavierdupuis8 and what is your logic? You don't think something that costs more should be better?
If you're going to interview someone, please let them talk.
(2 year old ) Id 4 . 20k negative equity 🤣 also 🤮. You should've just waited and got it used.
Crucial DC chargimg problem as ıt selects the ınfrastructure of charging whıch resulted that you can not go to long dıstances...
Please make sure that your friends tell you about future problems that they'll have with their Kia !!
That’s why you lease
18,500 to lease it for 2 years is steep!
If you check the residual, it's likely a very good deal in the sense that a lot of total lease payments + buyout end up costing 16k under MSRP for these EV9s. Depends on your lease terms (Kia sets the residuals and MFs, only certain combos of trim and lease durations will trigger the extra cheap lease deals). So you can end up saving over 15k off sticker just by leasing and then immediately paying off the remainder of the lease and buying the vehicle.
See leasehakr for more such lease deals.
Nobody who watches this channel regularly understands the true cost of depreciation. No amount of fuel savings will outrun EVs steep depreciation on top of new car depreciation. The lease buyout plus payment will show you how much money your lit on fire.
A Start/Stop button on an EV is a ICE manufacture mindset. It doesn’t make sense for an EV
George Jetson didn't have a problem pushing buttons. All other electric appliances have an off button. What's your problem with it?
What if I want to sit in the car with it off? What if I want to leave the car parked with it on? How much fucking around with an app or touchscreen does doing either of these things require versus just pressing a dedicated button?
@@HDHQDIRECT If we assume all EVs have a park “gear” then a start/stop button is redundant. If you want to drive you put it in drive, if you are done put it in park. Pressing “Start” then selecting “Drive” or selecting “Park” then pressing “Stop” is unnecessary. We aren’t starting up or shutting down an engine so why do we need a button for it? And as mentioned in the video, some EVs don’t “shut down” automatically when you exit the vehicle. You have to press the button to “turn it off.” I have no problem with buttons but it seems like a silly design that a lot of manufacturers are holding on to from their history designing ICE vehicles.
@@Smidge204 I’m not sure I understand. Typically the only use of the Start/stop is if you want to drive. If you are sitting in the car while parked what are you turning off? Weight on seat sensors should know if there is an occupant so infotainment and climate controls should turn off when you exit.
ICE or EV, I want to have absolute control of whether my car is on or off. Not just the engine but the infotainment and everything.
Zzzzzz
I’d like to start by saying I really like how it looks I really love the interior especially but as somebody whose family member works as a specialist at Kia warranty services I will say that I hear the worst things about Kia EV’s as of lately. Kia EV’s have given Kia warranty services a lot of issues and the dealerships are the worst and will go through every avenue not to help. People are calling nonstop and complaining about how the batteries don’t hold charge after a few months how the sunroof are literally exploding at the slightest tweaking of the vehicle over speed bumps or turning out of steep driveways where they are at awkward angles and some of the EV‘s are just straight up catching fire. Kia has kept this under wraps pretty well, but if you go on forums and start doing some digging you will see that Kia EV’s are actually doing horrible. Kia cannot keep up with the complaints so when you go to a dealership, they will refer you to customer service hotline customer service hotline will then refer you back to the dealership and you’ll be ping-ponging between the two trying to get a straight answer. Meanwhile your car is either not working or broken my family member has been working for Kia services for a long time and has forbid any of my family from buying a new Kia. Kia is looking great like I said but the service and issues as of right now are worth the safety of a family member in my opinion. Again don’t take my word for it look those issues up on forums and you make your own decisions.
Paid sponsorship from Kia.
Being this proud of a $769 KIA lease payment for a car you really don’t fit in is peak cringe.
Not me, I enjoyed buying a Kia EV9 so no cringe here.
He went from $1400 a month BMW X5 PHEV to a $800 a month KIA EV9 BEV. Seems like a great deal for this guy. Get what you can afford, there is no need to judge others on what car payment they can afford.
Do you enjoy waiting hours to pull up to charger then more time to charge?
Saying peak cringe is peak cringe. Saying it about "don't really fit in" for a steal of a deal on a great car that they spent a good deal of time explaining how much better he fits in this car than his BMW means you have serious basic comprehension impairment.
@@skyhawk21 I charge at home. Takes 5 seconds to plug in and go inside.
Help me understand why a 7 seater model y wouldn’t be better than this?
They are exponentially smaller, especially the third row. Model X is more comparable in size.
You can actually comfortably fit adults in the 3rd row of the EV9. Even model X is smaller.
Rwd model 3 $299 month js
Actual SUV shaped SUV with a usable third row. Not a coupe shape like the X with the goofy falcon wing doors.
@@wktuba9676 I like the X but the doors are a matter of when not if they fail IMO. Hate extra money spent to get the third row useful for adults.
Too bad rivian lost a customer, but it is sad someone buying a lesser vehicle - from bmw x5 to Kia ev9 is a huge downgrade imho - cringe move for sure - he will be pulling up to rivians and regretting this Kia lease payment day in and day out.
Nick, clean up your speech , tone down the ‘like’ and ‘like’ and ‘like’. Seriously
This car is a joke compared to the concept.
Wow, not very environmentally conscience. You've got a huge carbon hole to dig yourself out of now. Should have kept the PHEV.
I’m sure people are losing sleep over anonymous people we can’t even verify being real, who haven’t posted any videos, about their criticism of their EV choice when a lot of folks buy these for performance and technology, not virtue signaling.
Phev is The only option for at least the next 25 years, full EV cars are just not good enough nor is the charging network. ( uk based)
wft are you doing on this channel? Do you really have nothing better to do that watch videos about a category of products that you think "are just not good enough"? That is sad.
Phev refueling stations are a expensive explosion waiting to happen
Silly reply, I watch to stay up to date with EVs developments! No need to be closed minded.
@@ianpalin8318 lol "No need to be closed minded." You need to read your post and take your own advice. Or rather find something better to do with your time than 'stay up to date' with something that you've decided is not going to be good enough for the next 25 years. According to your own words, there is no point to you 'keeping up' until 25 years has past. And regardless of your oh so insightful opinion, there is zero point on you making pointless posts shitting on someone's decision to get an EV.