Ford Raptor Towing Issues SOLVED! Was my new Trailer a BAD BUY?
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Last November after taking delivery of our 2020 Polaris RZR Pro Xp I realized that I needed to make some major upgrades to both my truck and trailer set up if I ever had hopes of towing both of my side by sides somewhere. So, the search for a new truck began and I settled with this used Ford Raptor. Admittedly not the best tow vehicle but I was swooned by its smooth ride and crazy power. Then I began searching for a trailer that could carry both of our UTVs. This proved to be quite challenging since most trailers over 24 feet long are heavy equipment trailers that are way to heavy. I landed on this modified mobile home trailer some one had built specifically for towing their 4x4 units. I later discovered that the load was far too great for the raptors soft suspension. This is when I discovered how big of a difference weight distributing hitches make. This $300 dollar set up saved me a world of head ache!
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"not the best idea" to put it over the axels. That exactly what you're supposed to do smarty pants.
Exactly what I was thinking
the load should be basically centered over the trailers axles with some tongue weight.
Usually tongue weight should be 10-15% of trailer weight.
You should really watch some towing instructional videos. Or ask someone to help you. How to properly distribute trailer weight
Now you have a great excuse to get another truck! "honey, we need a diesel!"
You also didn't say "Thats not going anywhere" when you tightened down the side by sides and I'm slightly disappointed
Should have loaded the 2 seater first to reduce your tongue weight. Load the 4 seater second to let it sit right over the trailer axles.
The raptor has a 8500lbs towing capacity. Make sure that you DO NOT exceed that!!!!!!
Warren Weaver Too late!
TFL truck. I’m pretty sure they said it was rated at 7k
Yup. Wrong tool for the job. Like bringing a goose gun for deer.
My f150 can't do any sweet jumps but it can tow 12k.
It's all in the leaf springs.
@@ericbuchta9765 those guys are awesome!
Dually wheel truck are meant to pull, not a Raptor
Or a regular F-150 not a off road Raptor F-150 lol
A good way to help with the sag is to get airbags for the rear. My dad has some on his tundra and it helps with the trailer sag.
Bags will level the truck, but they actually put more weight on the rear axle. Weight distribution hitches actually transfer the weight through the frame to the front axle.
It’s a raptor, it’s not meant for hauling heavy stuff. I had one and they have the power, just not the suspension. Airbags will fuck up the way the suspension is supposed to work and handle when going fast off road.
Oh man, there are so many RUclips experts in the comment section when it comes to towing. Every time I see a video where anything lighter than a diesel HD has a trailer hooked up, commenters are clamoring for a bigger truck, or airbags, or a multitude of other things. I'll only say to get your information from credible sources, understand applicable laws, and abide by them. Happy and safe travels to ya!
I spotted you and des on I5 a few weeks ago. Gave you a 👍 and a ✌️ from my white Tundra. I knew right away it was you guys when I spotted that bad ass triple axel trailer being pulled by a Raptor.
You were right in loading the SXS in the middle if it is just one. The weight has to be over the axles with a little more to the front to keep the trailer from swaying. Do not put it up front if it is only one.
It was fun watching this project
It would also help if you put the 4 seater in the back over the axles with the lighter one up front 🤘🏼
good gawd can you please learn how unsafe that towing setup is and share, does it even have brakes ?
Put can am on first
Get helper air bags on the back..
Uh...over the axles is exactly where the majority of the weight is supposed to go. One could even say its...ideal, to locate it there. Also buy a truck made for hauling.
Max. I have said it multiple times...a towing vehicle is a diesel 3/4 ton and up.
Yeah dude like 6 times in this one thread. Lay off.
Love when I watch your videos and you find some new gadget that fixes what ever problem your fixing completely. Keep up the great work!
Hey there! That setup looks pretty sweet, I'm jelly. Lots of the comments recommend air bags, as an alternative to that, look into the Timbren systems. They're rubber helper springs that replace your bump stops. I have a set on my Taco and love them. Put a 1000 pounds of concrete in the bed a couple of weekends ago and the truck was level. Have fun!
Tip for taking the bars off jack it up as high as possible to take the load off the truck it’s a lot easier to take them off
Ayooo washington! A couple of things. Load the small one on first and then load the 4 door backwards
Same issue with my Toyota Tundra, I bought rear air bag suspension. Works like a dream.
Im so happy you make videos everytime you upload one it makes my day so much better and makes my worst week melt away
Dude.. I appreciate you saying that. I needed this motivation this week! 👊
That wood gets slippery when wet. Make sure you strap those things down good.
I have the Firestone airbags on my Tundra. They help tremendously.
You can add air bags and still maintain full travel in suspension with Daystar Air Bag Cradle KU09140BK
Should’ve put the smaller one up front and the bigger one in the back so u have more ride height on the raptor
Glad I discovered this channel! Looks like a sweet setup. The weight distribution works exactly like your pendulum theory when you loaded the second side by side earlier in the video. The bars push up on the rear of the truck when you add load. They also add stability against trailer sway. Load the heavier side by side last and push both back as far as possible to help decrease tounge weight as well.
Ok, for the people that are wanting to put airbags on a raptor. Get a different truck!!!! The raptors are not made to tow heavy stuff. Shocking! Get a 3/4 ton or bigger if you want to haul tons of shit. I had a raptor from 2013-19. It had the power, that wasn’t the problem. The suspension is soft and meant for hauling ass off road. I sold and went with the AEV Ram 2500.
Or best of both worlds... I have a 2019 f150 fx4 with tow package and 3.5 ecoboost. Can pull 12k. And it's an stx so it's light... thing is a baby raptor!
Just put the canned ham on the front and the poolaris on the back 🤦♂️
rocking the whistler bungee shirt. Repping BC yaaaaaaa
Scary as hell that I have to share the road with people like this. Easily you have exceeded the GCVW of the raptor. Deaver springs would help but not get you legal. You also strapped the rzr through the bumper, oh dear... maybe you should not use the comment “can’t afford suspension upgrades” when you have a raptor and a rzr. Think about this, you have over 100k rolling with a $3500 trailer and a few ratchet straps to bolted on bumpers.
Using wizardry it distributes weight. Haha. “Your a wizard Harry”
You ran into the Achilles Heel of the Raptor…it’s rear spring package.. You added all that Overland stuff and that along with everything else didn’t leave much load capacity for tongue weight. The WDH is fine BUT..Get a set of Deaver springs in the “+1 HD”…..that will lift the rear end 1” and the HD gives you more arch and spring rate for increased loads. You will be surprised at how well it will handle when off roading and towing. …Yes I own a 18’ Gen2 and love it..
I'll deffinitly be doing this. Thanks bro!
@@Maxx.Powell I added the ICON HD springs in my 2019 Raptor and experience no sag in my XP Pro and 16' trailer that was used at the ranch to haul tractors will full on sprayers. Good thing with ICON is you can add or remove leafs so if you go with the 3 leaf HD you will be more than fine!
Titan speaks truth. Watch keepitdirty offroad... he does a lot of rear leaf stuff with his gen2.
He has a gen1 now but his 2 was sick until the steering system went to shit.
You didn’t say “that’s not going anywhere when you tightened the big strap ...Are you even a dad lol. And yes I know you said it when Tyler was questioning the small straps but that doesn’t count.
Dammit! You're right! I have failed as a man and as a dad
Maxx Powell wouldn’t say that.... but your dad jokes are weak! Lol
Don't get airbags they only help with sag and dont actually help with weight issues. And also you can remove your trucks spare tire and put it on the trailer and give yourself another 100 lbs of tongue weight to play with.
Sell the raptor for a nice used diesel and all problems are solved :) keep the taco for off-road fun and would have the diesel for towing the sxs 🤘🏼
Matt,
You made a statement to the effect that if you were to tow out to Oregon, you’d trash your leaf springs. I’m suspicious I did that towing a horse trailer out west as it sagged badly before I left and now that I’m back, it is still sagging without the trailer!
The dealer said it was fine, but I don’t buy it. How do I determine if the leafs are shot?
Nothing beats air bags. You’ll still want air bags eventually. Can get them with DayStar air bag cradles so they don’t interfere with your suspension travel.
Two seater up front
Another great fun laid back video Maxx, thank you brotha!
Remember 60/40 weight distribution on the trailer is ideal. 60% of the weight in front of the axle and 40% behind the axle.
I would back the four seater back after the two seater and you should be a bit more leveled
look into some airbags for the rear
I’m in the Towing industry there is a cheap fix there’s a product called sumo springs there under $200 they will add 1000 pounds to your payload capacity don’t put airbags on a raptor it will mess up your suspension travel but the sumo springs will not
Thanks for the info man🍻
Nutt to butt! I just had flashbacks to boot camp. The Tremor can do pull that easy.
I've never really cared about trailers, but that is such a freaking awesome trailer. How is it that you always have the most badass things???
Haha thanks bro. Idk man. I always keep my eye out for cool stuff and I look for good deals on used stuff that I can easily re sell if needed. Once I know what I want to need I work side jobs and overtime to afford it!
Wat would help is to load the pro 4 in the back cause more of that weight will be on the axels.
I know you are trying to keep the truck stock, but you really should look into installing some airbags. They are pretty affordable and you would be able to install them pretty easily. Great video thanks for continuing to make good content even in these crazy times!
Glad the WDH solved your issues. Its crazy how much of an impact those have. Specially for how relatively cheap they are. Love the rig and the toys :p
you need to get deaver progressive leaf springs
If those are Dayton wheels on the trailer, you might wanna make sure they are legal for your area.
It would take less then 20 minutes to cut off those welds and weld it back on. Hit it with spray paint and you are golden.
Why would you put the heavier one in front?
I'm looking into getting a Raptor Ranger and i want to tow my 03 cobra racecar. Would this setup make pulling a car with a Ranger Raptor work or is that just going to be too small of a truck even if it has the same power Level of you Raptor
The razor looks heavier. You could put it in the back.
Great job Maxx! It looks awesome. Nice welding job :)
Max, air bags, air bags, air bags... They will assist in bringing the raptor height to stock, and set up properly will work with the weight distribution hitch. Foggy Dew....
Easy fix: Ford F-350 6.7 Power Stroke
When possible I would load the can am on first then back the razor on that way the engine the heaviest part is over the Axels. Just an idea.
The CanAm is shorter though so would put more weight up front. The final shot of the trailer looked perfect.
Sick setup! Inspired me to get back into the truck world but also try the overland/rzr scene!
Would putting the Rzr in the back help?
How much does trailer weigh and how much is total weight with both off road vehicles?
Should have gotten the tundra😬
I can’t wait to see this in a meme! Get a set of air bags for truck. Between load stabilizer and air bags you’d be golden.
Or just... buy a proper truck for towing?
You need to add air bags to the truck for sure Maxx. Could be a great instructional video.
You can go to a truck stop and use the scales to find out your loaded trailer weight and tongue weight
Best Channel out there!
Good purchase excellent
What length is that trailer? I'm gonna be hauling a Pro XP4 and an X3 soon.
32 feet I believe 🍻
just get an aluminum side by side trailer and call it good, that thing is so much heavier than it needs to be
I didn't read through all the comments, but did you try switching machine locations? Try the Canned-Ham on the front of the trailer and the Polaris on second. Adjusting the weight is critical.
TFL Shows a built in weight indicator for tongue weight on a dial on the tow bar. That way you have a general ideal how much hitch weight.
Ooohh that would be sweet
Maxx Powell etrailer.com. Has a hitch with a built in TW scale. Weight-safe hitch
easy answer get a tundra
find the heaviest sxs put it on the back then put the rear tires in that open box area on the back they dont need to be snugged together
If you’re going to pull that much then you need to trade it for an F250.
Can’t jump an F250 stock
Maxx dont spend alot for a lift. All you need to fit 37's is Geiser springs it raise front 2 or so inches.
Raptor is good eye candy yes... but for towing I’m guessing not so much. I’m only guessing the total weight with two toys on the trailer...?
Time for an F-250 or 350.. you’d love it!!
Even an f150 with tow package will easily tow that. Mine can tow 12k.
Great content. Just subscribed 👍🏼
Thank you! I really appreciate that 👊
put some air bags on the truck
Try putting the can am in front of the rzr. It might work better.
Honestly putting the 4 seater in the back would work better. You dont want all tongue weight you want it close to equal. The raptor should have no issue towing this combination. At most it is 4 k lbs Raptors a rated to tow more than that. Also a guy I ride with tows two 4 seaters with his and has no issues. If you need help with it message my comment I will help you
You should look up China Hat/ East Fort Rock in Bend Oregon. Huge OHV area and camping
I've been to China Hat its pretty rad out there. Id love to take the UTVs out there
Why don’t you put the razor in the back?
A wise man would put the can am on first then back the rzr on so both engines are over the trailer axles.
2 words, Air bags. Will fix all the problems
You should get air bags for the raptor
@maxpowell 541 overland beat me to the comment but you can get air bags with compressor for about 500 and also put a quick connect to a compressor for a air hose to fill tires and other things while over landing . And adjust your bags on the fly.
What trails did you go to? It looks familiar. But so does some of your clips of you driving around town.
Is that three Pontiac Fieros I see at your friend Tyler's brings back memories I had a 86 GT
Where is that place you were riding at?
You need to still get it weighed, just to be on the safe side
You need to weigh the rig all loaded at a Cat Scale and then check your GVWR, GAWR, TONGUE WEIGHT RATING....if you are overweight you are liable in court of law for damages should you be in an accident and are found at fault. Your insurance company will also wash their hands of you if you are not legal in all categories when towing on public roadways.
I’m not to concerned about the suspension, I’m more worried about your panic stoping, are you within the capacity of what the truck can safely stop? My 2019 3500 Cummins could easily pull 3 or 4 18 wheelers, that’s not a problem. It’s stopping all that weight that you need to worry about.
Yeah thats a concern of mine as well. The trailer is wired for brakes but two of the axles are not working properly, so before we do any real trips with this thing I want to make sure all the brakes are serviced. I'll keep you guys posted in future videos
Maxx Powell just please stay safe, if you need anything in the Vancouver WA area ever hit me up. I don’t mind lending a hand if needed.
Maxx, you definitely need to invest in some real straps. You NEED 8 straps, 1 for each corner of each vehicle. Right now you have 1 strap holding the front side by side. If you lose it you will lose the load. You NEED redundancy for safety. Otherwise you could by liable!
100% agree! Thanks bro
Miss Carol !!!! Air bags!!!
Time for some rear air bag
The smaller sidexside should be on the front