PART 3. How to flow coat , spray clearcoat like glass
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2015
- Hi guys, In this third video I will be taking you through How to flow coat /spray clearcoat like glass on the subaru impreza , i hope you guys enjoy and feel free to subscribe and like the video and if you have any questions comment below
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I'm new to the paint game but a fast learner always lookin to improve myself and I like the Flo coating....thanks for responding so fast
no problem at all
lovely gloss finish another quality job from you,loving your work mate,I haven't done bodywork for over 20 years watching you makes me wish I was still doing a bit here and there,keep up the good work...
+steve b haha thanks man , you must be going through all the videos lol and if these videos mate help or inspire someone like yourself then my job is complete
Stunning work mate!
Your flow coating is awesome well done mate wish I had someone like you to teach me
Thanks buddy I try my best fella
Very impressed with your attention to detail. Also like your commentry and explanation on materials used. This is very important for my learning curve!Many Thanks.
+Colin Male hi Colin and thankyou for the feedback that's exactly what we're trying for
appreciate the proper tips on paper grit and gun set up for flow coating. I realize the settings can change a bit per your spraying style but this video as all of your others are loaded with useful information for people like myself who have been painting just a short while. thanks for the tips and your videos plz keep them coming.
Thanks we try our best to add as much as we can and as time goes on we plan to go into more detail too
Superb videos. was hooked to see the end result!
+Martin Allen thanks Martin
Love these vids
I have to say I painted that color on a Impreza and that is tough to match . Love that color .... Nice job .
thanks man
Tony grate job mate. Awesome video.
Thanks man
Stunning job mate, looks mega.
+Barry Jones thanks fella I notice your watching through all the vids lol
amazing work reaiiy enjoying your videos.
Great to hear Stuart thanks glad you're enjoying them
Congrats and great Job.
thankyou
hi I like your channel learn a lot from you I'm using the same spray gun I need to know the best setting of this when I put clear coat on quiet bit orange peel on it how can I rid of orange peel thank
Nice work/. wish you were here in the states. thanks for showing off your work. I was considering doing this myself (no chance). subscribed. 100th like.
+ev da haha thanks wish I was in the states myself too some days lol , and thanks for the subscribe and the 100th like too
Well Done!!! ✔👌
Just fantastic pal right job
Thanks buddy
That is a lovely job....
thanks pat
AMAZING JOB MY FRIEND....if i wasn't in algeria i will send you my car as quick as possible.
wish you the best
Wow, thanks
Proper job mate!!!! Thanks for the video. I haven't done a flow coat yet but now I'm really looking forward to giving it a go. Just one question. I've only got a single 1000w IR lamp. How would I go about baking the clear after flatting using just one lamp?
you could just flat and then leave it for a few days to air through instead matty rather than trying to bake it out patience is key in this job
It is no wonder the customer was stoked, nice job.
+Ian Retrosclassicscustoms thanks Ian
So after the car is 6 months post a flow coat, would you just recommended a fine wax be used once they have been outside?
lovely job
+Pat pattiboy thanks fella
Great job looks really good when Flo coating wat sandpaper are u using and how many coats of clear do u put on
thanks buddy, this was some time ago now lol but i think i used the 3M Microfinishing discs in a P800 for this for prep and P1000 soft back sanding sponges for the edges , and just two full wet coats is all it really needs when flow coating
Nice!
thanks man
How long after paint you can flow coating?
Fab job
Thanks fella
@Tonys_Refinishing On the rear rubber/plastic spoiler, what would you use as a plastic primer on it?
+SP330Y just a standard plastic primer then a high build over that , if it was a flexible part then we would also add a flexible additive to the primer and clear
you certainly make it look so easy,quick question,whats the ideal compressor to use for this type of work,cheers
haha just years of doing the job its like second nature to me these days , but even i am still learning every day , for the booth these run a stand alone 150lt compressor that runs about 14cfm air delivery , the workshop runs on a 200lt compressor that runs around the same cfm , but if you dont paint and repair loads and loads in one day then one 200lt compressor on its own is enough to run a small setup, hope this helps
cheers bud,in another life i would of liked the idea of restoring classic cars as a hobbie,im in my mid 30s now and finally bought my own house with a big fuck off shed out the back,im going to buy a banger for 100 quid and chance spraying it for fun,thanks again
Amazing
Thanks mark
Excellent work. Please tell me how you manage not to get anything settling in the paint? I always get something! That's why most of us have to sand and buff. Cheers though.
+paul hills hi Paul on a lot of jobs regardless I still have a quick wet flat and polish even if it's just light , and no mater how clean the job there's always something in it but after years and years I've just found that way over prepping before and during the job is key , so I will now blow down panel wipe and tack before it enters the booth , mask then rack and wipe again once masked , before base application il use the air from the gun and tack off a third time and then tack between coats and blend coats and again before clear , it's ott but it's the way to get the most clean finish you can I find no matter what the setup or how fancy
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Very good detailed video ..... may I ask what it would be like if it was flo coated twice ? Has it ever been done thanks
would probably look great but there would be too much film build then for my liking
Tonys_Refinishing hi tony where is your shop are you in Australia or over sea
Nice work bro👍
Thanks ✌️
best
@Tonys_Refinishing After you did the flowcoat, did you flat down and machine polish up after the flow coat or did you just leave it
+SP330Y yes I flat and polished it up but only with a fine grade and with this booth I was painting in at the time being home made it always pulled a little dust in so best to give it a quick run over just to be safe
Hi Tony , i found this a very interesting video series . It has already answered a lot of my questions. Was wondering how many litres of basecoat you used on this car. Also litres of clear ? Thanks
hi richard i think around 6 litres of mixed basecoat in all bumpers everything, clear wise about 4 id say of unmixed
Thanks Tony, appreciate this information . Cheers mate .
1st class videos.
+HardatWork thanks buddy looks like your working your way through them lol
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Amazing job. Base coat shows through really nice, with no mottling or issues. Great commentary, thanks for taking the time to do that. Love the close ups of the paint after showing the surface of the lacquer.
I have a Devilbiss GTi Pro and love my gun. It will need a different technique from your current gun, end of the day if you can get a great finish that's all that matters.
+Saqib Khaliq Thankyou very much for the feedback on the video i really apretiate that, the editing and narration were hard to do to start but getting the hang of it better now but im glad you liked the video thankyou very much, thats it there are so many spray guns makes models setups you find what suits your style and then make your own art with it
+Tonys_Refinishing I used to be on Detailing World alot in the past, and can appreciate the editing takes hours - a write up took best part of 6 hours with photos.
Look forward to seeing more, and see how you get on with other paints and guns.
Hi Tony , if you were also painting the bonnet ,would you start in the same place(front right guard) and finish the bonnet last ?many thanks
honestly on a job like this id always take it off
I have to drive the car to a hired booth , remove front and back bars and side skirts . So in my circumstances , removing the bonnet , and finding enough room and stands ,and being on my own ,removing the bonnet may not be the best option for me. Time is another factor ,as i need to also mask the car . Was thinking about overspray,and i thought if bonnet was painted first then front right guard ,then down the right side of car then,roof from right side pushing towards middle then run around the other side and finish roof,then back to right side to finish rear quarter ,then work around boot then left side and finish at the point where left guard meets bonnet.
Maybe?
Cheers Tony
Hi tony where is your shop in Australia or over sea
What psi you set the gun for this job or any clear coat job with this gun ?
29psi or 2.0 bar depending on how you work your air
hI Tony,I have a question,i bought the Flg.5 gun 1,4 and 1,8 tip.
Are they ok to shoot the clear lacquer with?
yes the 1.4 nozzle will do fine for clear i use it for clear in this video here ruclips.net/video/c36AK2YZ9d8/видео.html
super,thanks man
Hi fantastic video.quick question i have just brought a car paint is good but the clear is a matt finish i am after a high gloss can i spray high gloss clear over the matt clear finish Thank you
it would be best to sand with something like p1000 then re do in gloss clear yes
@@TonysRefinishingTV Thank you, another man said give it a decent cut and polish and it will come up glossy would that be right
possibly but itll never be the same gloss level as mat clear contains a chalk type substance that gives it the matt effect
@@TonysRefinishingTV Ok Thank you very much for your help
Farmer2492 anytime thanks for watching
Unreal. Perfect job. How much did this job cost if you dont mind me asking?
It wasn’t my shop they charged around 2k I think which was too low we would be around £3k for this job in my shop with our new booth and it would be an even better finish too
@@TonysRefinishingTV hi hey how are you is Tony who am I talking to
@@TonysRefinishingTV who am I talking to
How many coats of clear did you do first before you sand it to donthe flow coat ?
2 coats the first time round mate
Pro lite 1.2 with the TE20 cap is a quality gun and is my dedicated clear.
What clear did you use?
+dannyayo hi , im looking into a prolite atm heard good things about them and really want to give one a go when i can afford it , this one was just the colomix ms clear as its what the customers budget was catered for , id have liked to go for the max meyer but this shop tries to make sure that customers budgets are a high priority as well as the end result
Tonys_Refinishing Looks like it layed down well and had a nice gloss. If you want to keep the customer base you need to cater for them which is what its all about as well as self pride.
We was on the lesonal hs premium but at close to £300 for 7ltrs it was a bit much so we're on the Sikkens HS anti scratch and for the price its fantastic.
+dannyayo thats some seriously premium clear then mate , for the higher end jobs we go for the max meyer , cost effective and also has a great otg gloss and finish , the customers at the shop i paint for arent after the best but the best for what they can afford so as much as some days id love to put the highest quality products on we try our best to get the best and for what they can afford, and obiously like you said for me alot is also about pride in the job too ive got a massive passion back for painting and am going to push that to the highest standards i can with the work we do
Hi, I have the same setup as you. Just bought the prolite te10 ,1.3. Whats the best setup for.flat finish on clearcoat. Thanks.
Buying the t110 will give the flat rst finish
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what sort of figure would that job realistically cost now thanks
something like this depending on the condition , you would be looking say around the £2,500 mark
Where is the best place to buy paint? what paint code was this?? love it
+chacelarsen50 honestly off the top of my head I can't remember what the code was I'm afraid I didn't log things the same back then like we do now , as for paint all areas have local suppliers or you could use someone like spray guns direct or autopaints Brighton and they would ship it for you , both good companies too
Tonys_Refinishing thanks!
I sprayed some parts base coat then three coats of clear could I wait a month later wet Sand then flo-coat ?
Are you baking them ? What sort of temperature are they stored in
@@TonysRefinishingTV no I'm not baking them my parts are completely done but I have some decals that are coming in in a couple weeks I want to put those on then what's and then put clear coat over that again but wasn't sure if I waited that long if I would have any adhesion
Aslong as you flat them in a few weeks before you got them then reclear it’ll be fine
@@TonysRefinishingTV ok great, thank you
No problem fella
Impressive
+Veikra thanks
how long did this job take then Tony? good job BTW
+skunk465 thank man , the flow coat section took 8 hours from start to finish, the job itself including all repairs paint parts rebuild ect took i think fom memory 5-7 days
Is that gun a hvlp or lvlp??......looks killer
Conventional mate I believe tbh lol
Iv heard horror storys when people sand with higher then 800 grade paper with the clearcoat peeling off could you give any advice for prepping for flow coats
honestly i p800 or p1000 clean with panel wipe then tack cloth and shoot the clear mate with no issues
Tonys_Refinishing iv only even done flow coating twice and used 400 paper by hand but to be fair I have noticed with the darker colours like a dark grey the 400 does leave slight marks that can be seen with the flow I’ll be doing my whole car sometime this year I will try the 800 :) so you’ve never had issues doing it with 1000 ?
nice vid..need help..my iwata lph400 1.4 too slow for completes..my customers want glass finish, tired of buffing. What gun is faster and lays glass finish? Not too pricey..thanks
A glass finish mate is something that’s down with a buffer not a spray gun , a flat finish yes you can get from a gun but not a perfect glass finish , take a look at a sagola 4600 dvr clear 1.3xl but also your spraying style , clear choice ect will play a lot into this
Ok thanks..right i want to lay flat finish..is that gun fast enough for complete paint jobs with 1.3 tip? Wow pricey gun too.
Takes me hours to paint whole truck or car
@@Mr318jones yes its more than quick enough check out some of my newer videos i use it all the time and it is but you get what you pay for
@@TonysRefinishingTV where can i order that sagolo from? im in the USA
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What is float coating?
+Sameer Mohammed hi, Flow coating is the application of clear ontop of clear, it gives a smoother overall finsh straight from the gun and can also really help to increase the depth of gloss when working on higher priced jobs and retorations that you want to look there very best , its also great for cutom work where lines may need to ble cleared over from on colour to the next so they can be blocked down and then recoated to leeave that perfect feel to a panel
1000 grit sanding stage, before flowcoat, to be exact.
As I said this was one of my very first videos and videos cannot include everything all the time
I'm just wondering how super clean manufacturer robot spray booths are
i worked for a prestige manufacturer and they are clean however the cars still get alot of dust in them
@@TonysRefinishingTV That's great Tony ... You surely have been through good experiences to Be & Do who you are today. I once worked for a Mercedes-Benz manufacturer but they never allowed us to see the spray booth
I worked in the company’s booths and also as a trainer for them so spent a lot of my time on them
@@TonysRefinishingTV You are not stopping to impress me hey Tony😁 ... I'm much more inspired now from your video to build the ultimate spray booth. I have detailing and interior design skills ... It would be coool to run the ideas through you when the time comes?
How many coats is this?
Of clear 2
What about the hood?
+Kraut-Performance all the parts bumpers , bonnet ect were done as a second booth full
You remind me of the Gunman, do you work with him by any chance?
no mate spoken to him alot over the years hes
in oz and im in the uk
Do you like havin all that overspray hangin around or is it just the camera
WAS A HOME MADE BOOTH MATE AND THIS WAS YEARS AGO I NOW HAVE MY OWN SHOP WITH PROPER BOOTH
@@TonysRefinishingTV nice wasnt sure if thats what it was or the camera was cobered in overspray nice job brother fellow painter myself in canada
@@TonysRefinishingTV i paint cars here also but during the day ipaint rail cars for bombardier well now allstrom
@@1967wazzy awesome buddy great to know there’s people who watch far and wide mate hope you are well
If I wanted this same finish on my car what should I say to my local auto painter? I live in the us , I'd bring it to you if you were here lol
+Nathan Machado lol thanks man, its called a flow coat , gives an amazing glass finish that you shouldn't need to touch after paint so the gloss levels are alot higher and because its lacquered twice the depth to the clear is really nice and makes colours pop
+Tonys_Refinishing You referring to lacquer as a different substance to clear?
+user12345 no lacquer and clear coat are the same thing working the automotive trade , just some people depending on where you are refer to it as one or the other
Tonys_Refinishing Thanks, I did a 2 year refinishing course when I left school 15 years ago, but left after 8 months to work as a coach builder and take up welding, a lot of the latest fads, techniques, methods and way different people refer to things can be a bit confusing after being out the loop for a long time so to speak, I subbed to you yesterday, hopefully you'll be able to answer some questions for me in the future, get me up to speed with the latest techniques and what not, nice channel too, liking what I've seen so far.
+user12345 that's great mate and I'm honoured that your part of the channel and id be glad to help with anything I can for you and if not I'm sure I can point you to where you can find the answers
Hey, I don’t understand why the hood didn’t get painted? Then the car is totally looking like new. I would of painted it
It did get painted all the other parts bonnet bumpers ect got painted in another booth full
Tonys_Refinishing I see now okay . The paint job came out fantastic
Great Job, but why do you start from the Bottom of the car and work your way up? Instead of top of door and work your way down
Everyone works in different ways mate I don’t choose too down or bottom up I just take the job as it comes and naturally start wherever
@@TonysRefinishingTV ok so 1 way doesn't prevent runs?
Not that I’ve ever known mate no matter which way you go if you go to heavy it’ll run
@@TonysRefinishingTV ok great, thank you cheers
Dear sir, with better editing, you would improve your teaching methods. All you are doing with this video, for example, is showing the end result. Please do not take for granted, that you're subscribers know what you do, and how you do it, to achieve the final results. Some of us are rookies, new to the paint and body game. Please keep that in mind, for next time, where you can include some of the process BEFORE YOU CLEAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CHEERIO!
This was almost the first video I posted abs this whole car start to finish is detailed on the channel along with now hundreds of videos covering everything
What is a Flow Coat?
A true flow coat is when you sand your clear down with 600 800 or whatever grit works and spray 1 coat of over reduced clear across it. Spraying 2 coats of clear at normal reduction will however produce similar results. Deeper glassy finish.
Surprised you haven’t got fat door edges?
your overlap is wrong chap!
This was like 5 years ago fella and no thick edges
May I suggest you don't refer to clear as "lacquer"? A beginner (such as myself) can find this confusing as early paints were known as lacquer, and spraying 2k over lacquer paint will not end well!
I researched different types of paints by looking at the history and development and this had me stumped for a while!
I can appreciate some clears used on timber furniture are a lacquer but this is different..
Otherwise, love your videos!
+Darth Vader the problem there is in some regions it's refered to as clear coat , and some as lacquer , also lacquer can be used as a last coat over 2k based direct gloss paints or used over dry 2k based paint is the need for blending solvent basecoat is used , I do try and keep the laquer and clear coat as plain as possible to cover all countries and regions watching
Think I can get this outcome and quality from rattle cans lol
Lmfao you could try lol
Tonys_Refinishing you do some great work Tony, I wish I had the balls to DIY respray my wrx but doing the prep wrong is what has me more nervous than spraying coats down.
I get what you mean mate , yes preps extremely important but at the same time if you don’t have previous experience on a gun then I wouldn’t attempt something like this , you need to start small and simple and work your way up
The airflow in there is absolutely shit lol.
How would you recommend improving?