Carry Comps - do compensators actually work on 9mm pistols?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- In this video we look at how different types of ammo work with carry compensators - discuss the pros and cons of using a compensator. And a lesson on how different ammunition can work the comp! We look at the Herrington Arms HC9C and the Suarez International Street Comp
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Effectiveness of the comp is irrelevant. All that matters is how big the flex will be on the Gram
Big facts cause the most important thing is lookin cool
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it isn't a flex though..they are cheap...
@@dylanmills6944 not about the money bruh, its about looking tacticool lol
Lind of like those soaps? they were 20 bucks. but you could grind on hand rails around town lol. THAT was cool
i have a great tip for people with threaded barrels. Skip the thread locker and the set screws. Go to Harbor freight and get an o-ring kit. Find one that fits your barrel. Put it on before you thread your accessory on. It will stop it from loosening. Ive been using the same one on my barrel for 2 years now. i shoot weekly. Its never come loose. I also keep the o-ring lubricated so it doesn't dry out.
Please explain more! I’m wanting to get a 509c tactical and put a comp on it. Are you saying to put the o-ring at the back of the the threads or the start and then just thread in the comp?
So you’re saying you don’t tighten the set screws or apply lock tire to them ?
@@bhief473 not mine. once i tried the oring idea i had. Its stays tight and never vibrates off. I actually dont even have to tighten it as tight as i used to. The oring absorbs the vibration between the 2 parts very very well. I've shot 10,000+ rounds since then. Never had an issue with it coming off.
@@imgoodaswell9558 yes at the back of the threads and screw it on and just hand tighten. The rubber oring absorbs the vibration between the 2 metal surfaces . and i just hand tighten it on. Ive sent 10k+ rounds using the oring Ive never had an issue with it coming off or even loosening
@@DisclosureTvNews damn that’s impressive. How often do you deep clean your comp? Every 1000?
I compensate by driving a BMW without using turn signals.
I lifted my truck 🤠🤠
Bussin
@BUCK JO FIDEN!! it’s only 150 my dude
Oh you mad mad man
I carry full size guns 😈😈
As a competition shooter, one comes to understand that compensators help convert money into noise more rapidly.
Dude I knew everything but the way you put it all together just solidified the bits and pieces of knowledge I got watching soo much crap about comp. Appreciate the knowledge.
Best compensator explanation video on RUclips. And top 5 best gun channel on RUclips easily.
Thank you!
I would and will use a comp on a carry pistol. I'm the process of setting that up now. This is my first video of yours, and I have to say, very, very informative with great information.
Tacticool Carry Comps FTW!
MALL NINJAS love comps for concealed carry for a longer pistol without increased barrel length and muzzle velocity or sight radius.
ARMCHAIR OPERATORS love comps for home defense for the increased muzzle blast to blind and deafen themselves.
Great video. i bought a Faxon threaded barrel and comp for my M&P Gen 1 - worked right out of the box, currently around 400-500 rounds through it, no hiccups, with a few diff loads (primarily 115/124gr target) - just ordered a new slide to add an optic. I've noticed the gun absolutely shoots flatter for follow-up shots and faster shooting, but agree that slow-fire accuracy is pretty much the same. I don't think you can underestimate cool-factor on these - they look dope. EDC - I think it's fine to run one, not necessary, but if you're okay w/ the minimal extra weight, and added length - why not? Thanks for the upload.
How do you like the 115/124 grain? I was watching videos and was dam convinced I was going to go with a 147 grain but now I’m looking at this video and totally changed my mind especially with the new comp I just put.
This is the first video of yours I’ve watched and I subbed. You described things very well and I love how you broke the science down! The physics behind it makes much more sense now. Fantastic explanations and video!
The content and info on this channel is some of the best on RUclips. I look forward to your video more than all the big dog gun tubers.
That's high praise - thank you.
Great job explaining this in such a way, that it’s completely understandable to a novice. Thank you ✌️
I have a micro compensator and threaded barrel ordered for my primary EDC. It should arrive tomorrow. Thanks for the video and keep shooting 😊.
They absolutely work. On your carry gun you run +p or +p+ and the combo makes a huge difference. Practice with your carry a,mo and find out!
100%
I just purchased the griffin armament micro comp for my gen 3 g19 and one for my PSA dagger.
One reason I’m considering a compensator is as a out of battery shield. If I have to pull my gun in a ground fight and I go to press it into the perps body it will likely be pushed out of battery (making it impossible to fire.) With the compensator connected to the barrel it would keep the slide from being pushed back and solve that issue.
A barrel mounted compensator will not help prevent the gun from going out of battery in a pistol with the common Browning-based action. Pushing on the comp will also push back on the barrel and in most guns this is sufficient to not let the gun fire
Picked up a dagger comp by Harrington arms a couple weeks back. Love it.
You (sorry, y'all) explain things very well, always. Greetings from Australia.
Thanks for checking in. Cool when you hear from across the globe!
Don’t you guys get arrested for looking at guns?
@@drossi101 No, that's a common misconception. A lot of licensed gun owners down under, just no open/concealed carry.
@@cmonkey63 how's it going down yonder in your neck of the woods? I hear it's getting pretty crazy with quarantine camps and forced YOU KNOW WHAT'S. I see videos of Leo's getting a bit tyrannical to say the least. Good luck to ya.
I run a Herrington Arms comp on my 43X and it has reduced felt recoil by a ridiculous amount without effecting reliability. Would definitely recommend
I do use a comped gun for edc.. my main carry firearm is the nighthawk firehawk! Never been blinded by shooting at night and any 9mm without ear pro is loud af with or without a comp.. just purchased a sig 365 spectre comp and will begin using is as a carry gun after 1000 rounds at minimum once I am familiar and comfortable doing so.
It's interesting how many "tactical" youtube "instructors" have very little high-level competition experience. I'm not saying that competition equates to TACTICAL experience, but it DOES equate to very thorough TECHNICAL knowledge. It's like how F1 motorsports tech eventually trickles down to the enthusiasts and finally dealership / showroom features.
I've been a hobbyist / enthusiast for 20years and this is literally the first time I've heard such a clear explanation of the impact of bullet weight and velocity on the efficiency of compensators.
G17 KKM barrel and comp. 13 lbs spring, captured full length guide rod, Magtech 115 grn +P+ ammo, minor PF 151, Open Division.
I keep threatening to build a glock open gun for the LOLS. I'd probably try to shoot major though.
I have the Hellcat RDP in 9 mm and can say the comp makes a lot of difference. Being a small pistol I still have no problem keeping it on target.
Having a regular Hellcat I can cosign and tell you I am getting a RDP because the COMP makes a huge difference.
I’m definitely a Comp fan myself! I have the Herrington arms, primary machine & TBR versions on multiple pistols. Carry on
you introduced me to this world!
I'm in the other camp. Nothing wrong with it. I just like the simplicity of no comp in my carry guns. No variables with more specialized ammo, springs, holsters. Plus I carry appendix... and you know how hot a comp can get after a few magazines, then if you re-holster too fast... I don't have to tell you the rest. LMAO.
wish i could find TBR comps. i guess that company is no longer?
RICEY702 they went out of business a long while ago & took a bunch of people’s $ supposedly.
I use a KE arms 4 port comp on my gen 4 Glock 19. Use case is competition and carry. I shoot exclusively 115 +p speer loose pack ammo and my defensive ammo (speer 124 +p gold dot) and with this combo it works 100% with out messing with the rsa. Great video
I shoot a c p07 and I just put a primary machine stealth comp. Have not shot it yet but I think I will like it
I have a nagging elbow injury from when I was young and stupid, and I've noticed that it gets considerably less sore when shooting a compensated 9mm vs a similar non-compensated one.
Interesting video, thanks. Running a 365XL Spectre (gen1) slide with lightening cuts, a threaded barrel and a Herrington Arms HC365 single-port comp on an X-Macro lower. Ammo is usually Gold Dot 9mm 124gr +P. My goal was to tame muzzle rise without messing with recoil springs or experimentation with different Ammo. This is the same round used in my X-Macro daily carry.
I found compensators work. I bought Tonti for my APX.. But I discovered they're only good when they work. It made my pistol pretty unreliable, affecting its cycling. That ran me down the rabbit hole of guide rod springs. Then, striker springs for some reason. I even coated the barrel with NP3 for lubricity in cycling. All the comp did for me was make the pistol finicky to the point the pros didn't outweigh the cons.
I have a Shield PC1st gen with a Carver Custom 2 port comp. Night and day deference from the already stock ported barrel. Tighter grouping, faster follow up shots and yes does better with the milder loads.
Definitely one of my favorite channels on RUclips for guns
thanks man!
Good information. TP9 elite combat, Zev V2 comp, 115 and 124 Gr ball and JHP. No failures, less muzzle rise, faster target reacquisition. Made me even more faster, accurate, lethal. Now if only I could find a better magwell with a flatter pinky site for my TP9 elite combat to give me that extra 1/4 inch for uniform flat pinky seating.
I live my elite combat just put a holosun on it and a optic plate with a intagrated cowitness
I edc the same gun. I put a disruptive defense comp on mine its made specifically for canik looks really slick and works greak. No cycling issues with nato spec and weaker reman 115 grain either
Like you I also use the Suarez Street comp but I use it on my Glock 19
I've comped everything from 9mm, 5.7x28, 10mm & even .22LR just for the lolz.
It made the .22LR not work well (as expected), but everything else worked great & did have a noticeable decrease in felt recoil, even with micro comps.
I just ordered a Parker mountain machine. I know it’s an older vid, but I’ll fallow up a reply with my thoughts once I take her out a bit
I’ve been running a comp for 2 years and I never knew this much 😭
Just curious bud, did you change any springs or anything else besides adding the comp?
I'd like to get the strike industries g4 for my PSA dagger. I figured they would do what I thought but it's always good knowledge to have
I have the BUL Viper (now they call it UL comp) as you surely know it has the comp built in on the barrel. I enjoy that setting very much and it is my carry gun. In Israel we are a one gun nation , meaning you can't own more than one pistol.
I do carry a comp on my EDC. I have a G19X with an Agency Arms 417 comp paired with a DPM guide rod. I’ve ran 115g and it runs without any issues.
I run a P320 X-Carry with Leopold Delta Pro Red Dot, Streamlight TLR-8 and Harrington Arms comp for my home defense pistol. All work’s beautifully. 🤓
I haven't any experience with compensators on handguns , but i do on rifles. Thanks for the knowledge about compensators on handguns , Humble Marksman !!!!!!!!!!!
thanks for watching - cheers.
At the moment I'm running a trybe double port uni comp on my Springfield Echelon my EDC and all around home)duty gun..works great with 124 grain+..paired with apex tactical captured guide rod with 18lb flat wire but also have a 12lb wire but it seems to run fine and with less recoil on the 18lb spring...I would recommend it. It's just temporary though because Herrington Arms is working on an Echelon specific comp and Springfield themselves are making a self indexing one like the hellcat has but for Echelon
I have the faxon exos on my S&W shield plus. Works great
Running a Parker Mountain Machine single port on my 509ç. I love it , it belds with the slide like it was made that way .
Just put the same comp on my 23 gen 4 (it has a threaded 9mm conversion barrel) I was having stovepipes with 115 grain ammo but with 135 and up it ran flawless
It is hard to be humble when you are the best. Great video!
I carry a g19 with kkm barrel and 4 port comp in a sidecar aiwb. With +p defense ammo
Just seen the video, running PMM system with Hornady Critical Defense +P
Thank you for all you said. Please do not shorten your lesson.
I run a PMM comp on my mr920 edc. Buddy of mine runs same comp on his duty Glock 45. I find it helps shoot extremely flat with a +p heavier load.
I came here because I ordered a blow hole comp and threaded barrel from zaffiri for my Taran tactical glock 34 edc. I needed to know what 9mm rounds I should use so it performs flawlessly.
I belt 1911when I was in tx I love carry comps they work we did a comp on a 686 we put it in a reason rest the photos showed the gun instead of recoiling up it went down THEY WORK
I use a few different ones for three of my guns. Agency Arms, Zev, and Primary Machine. I have them on a GLock 45, FN 509 T, and a CZ P07. I use them for home defense and carry.
Hey thanks for this. Im looking for comps for my Canik SFX. Ill check these out.
Which one is your favorite and does not ever need to be retightened?
@@JWard2 Honestly, I think the Agency ones are the best and have worked great even with underpowered range ammo, which chokes a lot of comps. And with a little blue lok tight, you shouldn't ever need to retighten.
I have added a ninex19 threaded barrel and Herrington Arms HC3652P compensator onto my p365x. I have noticed a measurable reduction in recoil, muzzle rise, quicker followup shots, less felt recoil, and less fatigue. I've enjoyed it so far, but have had a couple cycle issues with 115gr ammo. My gun was already broken in prior to adding the comp so I didn't experience malfunctions every other round. I'm going to keep trying it with oem recoil spring and guide rod, but may consider a DPM tunable spring set. I had no issues with 147gr but have not tried 124gr yet.
I use an Agency Arms 417 single port comp on my gen4 Glock 19
Just stumbled across ur channel instant follow. I own the mr920 and its the funnest 9mm pistol I've fired. It wants to shoot fast. I'm probably gonna order a comp soon thanks for very detailed info
Is it worth the buy?
I have run a few matches recently and thought I’d give a compensator a try on an older Glock 19 I have… I shoot the target/range equivalent to my duty ammo 124gr (from the department). After watching others have slightly faster follow up shots I thought it would be a fun way to spend $200. We shall see:)
I use the Strike Indistries Mass Driver on my Gen 3 G19
I'm running a comp on my glock 19 gem 3 it's the first upgrade I do and the comp Im using is the zev pro comp v2
Herrington arms comp on 320 subcompact slide and a full sizs grip module appendix.
I have an oz9 hypercomp x that I LOVE for my “cold weather carry” since it’s g45 sized but my typical carry is a p365 with a PMM comp that I also love. Just makes getting a mag cranked out in the ten ring quick and easy.
I once had a 9mm Hi-Point with a comp on it. It worked beautifully!
Barrel weight effect is real. But recoil mitigation is also real and my Sub 2000 also a blowback had a real effect and the weight effect is much lower so definitely a real effect.
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@@MrEmmanuelmack real shit it never jammed just got me jammed up in the county
Ran a micro compensator for the first time on my Canik on 115gr ball ammo, it made the ejection pattern a lot weaker. The gun cycle just fine but is always a concern when the ejection pattern gets weak like that.
would you mind updating me on it? i just blew 200 + on a barrel and comp for my canik sc
I use griffins micro carry comp on my shadow system.
Negligible difference but the shadows shoot sweet to begin.
I run a zev v2 on my mr918 elite. I love it! Every shot from the first shot out of that gun was done with the comp. And 600 rounds later and not a single failure. It makes a huge difference on how flat it shoots
They're pretty cool.
so how do you know it made a difference in flatness of the gun?
Vp9 with a weighted rail comp, and a Kimber 1911 .45 with a Valkyrie Dynamics punisher comp. Both are great.
Been using KKM Precision barrel with their 4 port comp and love it on my Glock 19. Want one for my G34 and 26.
I started carrying a Glock 45 Sage V2 by Agency Arms. It's my first experience with a comp and I love it!
Effectiveness of using a comp ? THUMBS UP. Totally agree with the use of....what gets ME about "carrying (concealed)" for civilians is they (we) will be put in what will be "SWAT call scenarios" ....ALONE. ...If trained professinals try not to engage/clear rms alone.....
would love an updated video using the PSA Dagger (glock 19 clone) since psa and the dagger is probably 1 if not most sold 9mm pistol these days
Already do, I use an Agency Arms single port on my G19, my first comp. But recently I got an Arc division comp and barrel for my G17 and WOW this one is the best I've seen and used. I highly recommend you check them out.
They are on the list for sure.
Love mine too!
I second this. Best comp I’ve ever used.
quick story and why I don't use a comp on a carry pistol: I had just comped my G26 and started doing close retention drills (where you shoot off your ribs in a close quarter situation), well, I caught shrapnel in the eyebrow. I didn't think beforehand about the direction of the expelled gasses or how that relates to shooting position. If comped, you have to be aware of those things or you'll get hurt. Needless to say, I don't want to have to remember which way to contort the pistol and/or the situation may not even allow time/distance for it. Just food for thought.
Gathering parts to build an p320 x carry
For comped use, Springer's precision rmr plate with a holosun 508t, PMM comp
those guns look cool.
I use agency arms, primary machine, and zev....carry range home....now a supporter!!! Big fan brother. Keep it up. God bless America and the 2A
Right on man - I appreciate it. Got some more comp content in the pipeline.
Yes, my carry p320c wears a pmm gen 1 comp with the grey ghost compact slide and a fullsize grip module so it fits within the dust cover. Throw a rds on top for good measure and the thing with 124s is like turning on all the cheat codes.
Those are awesome setups. Not gonna lie - I wanted one before the recent class action lawsuit has me shy about carrying one.
@@TheHumbleMarksman yeah, I put an agency trigger shoe on mine that has the glock style dingis thing. A lot of guys knock on that trigger "why would you wanna turn your sig into a glock!?!" But for me it was the added layer of safety that gives me the confidence to carry it.
Thanks for all the excellent info! I was seriously considering getting a compensator for my Canik Elite Combat. But with the info you provided, since my gun is solely used as a defensive EDC tool, I don’t think there would be a benefit for me to get one. For a defensive gun, I don’t want to add anything that could even remotely affect reliability. Plus I would rather spend the money on practice and training ammo than a compensator, then a lighter recoil spring, then have to go through even more money finding the right ammo that would work best with it and hope I can even find the ammo. For competition, sure. A comp would be great. For EDC self defense, not so much, I think.
I put a disruptive defense comp on my canik combat executive and kept the stock recoil spring in as the company said to. Its runs like a top zero malfunctions with reman , federal, and nato spec ammo
@RedEyePergo your reply is golden for me cause I've been on the fence about getting the dis Def comp for my sf elite now I'm for sure getting one. Thanks dude!
The Arc division Spark M v2 , I use it with my carry gun and I love . It shoot with fine the factory recoil spring and any ammo I have put it through.
I’ve used multiple comps on my glocks and by far the arc is the best one. From reliability to significantly less felt recoil.
Have you used an arc on a p320?
Eye opening video- the way you educate those who do know know all the specifics on slow burning vs fast burning - blew me away - being one of the ignorant viewers, i have to say thank you for the explanation and awesome teaching! Kamsahamnida!!
My dad uses a ported glock 19 ( ninex19 vapor slide and barrel with a strike industries frame )
I have a Beretta 92 with a comp. It's my home defense gun and favorite pistol I own to shoot at the range. I personally would not put a comp on a carry gun because it makes it less concealable and I carry appendix, so the extra length would make it uncomfortable for me. Ported barrels are also great for reducing muzzle rise. They don't add any extra length to your gun and you don't have to worry about using hotter ammo or changing out the recoil spring but they don't look as cool as comps.
Outstanding info as usual probably the the best channel for competitors on RUclips
Wow, thanks!
I would really be interested in how one of the super light extra high velocity loads would work with a comp such as Lehigh defense Extreme defender 68gr or Fort Scott munitions lightweight load. These are getting near or over 2000FPS and generally are considered lighter recoiling even without a comp.
I wouldn't consider it. I carried a load like this for awhile, and I planned on running it on a parker mountain machine build. Bear in mind, I was not using Lehigh defense, and I'm no expert. This is just my experience. The ammo I was shooting was 90 grain (ish) and was rated at like 1700fps if I remember correctly. It would barely cycle my slide with no comp. I wouldn't carry it, if I were you
Just reread your post. I was running the Fort Scott light load (90ish if I remember right) and it wouldn't cycle at all
I just bought a Harrington arms comp for my G43x and I was trying to see what is a good first ammunition to pick up and train with for home defense
Very educational! I really enjoyed this video! Super cool to learn more about the mechanisms of how guns work. I'm a fairly recent big fan of your channel! Keep up the awesome work!
Excellent video, a lot of people discuss comps and praise them but don't talk about the negative effects like reducing slide recoil, ejection issues, etc.
My carry G19 wears a PMM comp, I have not noticed a lot of reduction in recoil but it keeps may light clean.
I should’ve brought a notepad to jot all this down 😅 my brain almost exploded! Great video man, very informative!
FN510 with ANVL comp shooting underwood 220gr. hard cast.
Fantastic video for dudes like me dipping their toes into the world of compensators. Thank you so much for doing this. Earned my sub quick!
Got a 4.5" threaded barrel on the way for my G3. Will be getting (most likely) a Agency Arms 417 dual port. BUT....I'll be sending the assembled gun to the 460Rowland company to rework the barrel to their 960 conversion. It's a longer 9mm case, same weight slugs, but goes 1600 fps and makes ~650 ft lbs, in the mid-range of 357 magnum power.
That’s pretty spicy!
I'd love to see a compensator comparison between Killer Innovations, Herrington Arms, Armory Craft and Parker Mountain Machines. Until then, have an upvote.
For the shooting from retention issue, I think their understanding is based on when the barrel is ported and they think metal shavings are gonna fly through
I don't know how I missed this video last year?! Excellent overview that mirrors my own experiences in many ways.
Personally, I've gone back and forth for carry. I've gone away from the comp for daily carry the last year or so. I farm, and frequently shoot from my tractor cab at vermin. Even with the door open, and with my elecronic muffs...the comp'd gun with appropriate handloads is freaking brutal inside a metal/glass cab. It's like getting punched in the face while blasting my ears at the same time. Not fun.
Probably not the most valid reason for shying away from the carry comp...but that's just me. Also, as you mentioned, messing around with aftermarket springs on a carry gun is always a pain in the ass. Finding a good high pressure load (not to mention a handload that duplicates the performance) takes time and money as well.
Also, I've had complaints at training courses from people who don't wear high quality muffs. I shot a high volume course at an indoor training facility a couple years ago. I didn't make many new friends that day.
Having
I've been wanting to get a comp to play with. I just haven't gotten around to getting one yet. COVID19 kinda threw a wrench in my plans this year but that's life.
yeah. Ready for Rona to go away.
@Cheng Lee I've been buying ammo cheap and stacking it deep since 2015. I had about 20K rounds of ammo in March when talks of the 1st "quarantine" were going around in my state. I'm down to just over 14k rounds of ammo so I'm about to cut down on shooting even more until ammo stock starts to come back and gets back to being cheaper.
Excellent video on compensators. I agree with everything you said, especially when it comes to ammo choices. My standard "non-compensated" match loads is a 147gr at about 860fps. Soft shooting for sure, but it won't work a comp worth a damn. If you're shooting factory ammo, ammo from Fiocchi, S&B, and Speer Lawman rounds run nicely in the comp gun with the 115gr loading. Likewise the WW 124 NATO. If you like heavier bullets, the 147 Speer Lawman and the Federal 147 American Eagle function nicely in my comped Canik SFX.
yeah any NATO load will do good - I'm partial S&B
All I shoot is Speer lawman 147 is it worth getting a comped gun? Will I see any improvement in recoil
Currently for my self-defense weapon,... The "Compensator" I'm using is my Left & Right hand!. ROFL ;-) In all seriousness though, All my firearms are still currently BONE STOCK!. I def wanna start getting some mods for them soon though & I wanna get some custom work done on them.
Yes I would I have a killer innovation comp for my cz p10f just orders it minutes ago will be on the way soon
Just got my first comp for my P320 and never thought about how it may effect sooting from retention. I guess I’ll just have to get out to the range next week and find out exactly what it feels/sounds like. Can’t be worse than my pre model 14 S&W that likes to just throw gas from every angle😂
I plan to put a 45 blast on my TP9 EC. It’s a bit Gucci to begin with and I want it to shoot as flat as possible. Mostly for added weight coupled with a light.
It’s a range gun specifically so it makes sense to me.