The CONTROVERSIAL Max Verstappen and Lando Norris crash - DISCUSSED 💥🎙 | Sky Sports F1 Podcast
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Crofty and Damon Hill discuss the controversial collision between McLaren's Lando Norris and Red Bull's Max Verstappen in a frantic finish to the Austrian Grand Prix, with Silverstone just around the corner.
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David Croft: 10 sec not enough
Silverstone 2021: It is enough
Just made the same comment 😂
Exactly what I was about to say! 10 sec penalty max goes to hospital and lewis wins! Sky is so biast towards the British drivers no point listening to them
British bias at its most obvious and finest
@@rossa360It was a mandatory hospital visit. He was fine.
Now Monza on the other hand - if the Halo didn’t exist, Max would’ve snapped Lewis’ neck in his move of desperation.
@@max1milly not getting the point though 10 sec penalty max retires lewis wins! Moaning that maxs penalty at austria isn't enough is just bs
Sky being called out for their bias in their own comment section is simply lovely😘
@@ActionFigure10 I just lovely!
It’s just lovely
sky in english channel supporting english driver shocker, now go do dutch tv
Or they could be just sharing their own opinions, which don’t happen to be shared by you?
Every single country on earth is biased towards their own sportsmen. I know, it's a shocker. Only English people aren't allowed be though apparently because ironically, everyone is biased against them..
Interesting that David Croft is questioning whether the 10 second penalty is sufficient seeing as Lando retired and scored no points whilst Max finished 5th and scored a few points….
Interesting that same David Croft was too busy celebrating Lewis’ win at Silverstone in 2021 when Lewis punted Max into the tyre barrier at 51g, only got same 10 second penalty and went on to win the race…👀
Croft did not complain then…🙂
@@obez42 max is in the wrong. Max has a ruthless reputation. When he’s under a little bit of pressure he buckles. Don’t start bringing your past pretences as I have a loads to come back on! Max was lucky he didn’t get a grid penalty too or disqualification
British approach
@@jacobfletcher3682look at you. All up in arms. A diligent little soldier aren't you. Well done.
Regulations towards driving standards have changed drastically since 21, also gotta take into consideration max in Austria was multiple offences that would eventually end in contact, lewis in 21 was a single offence with understeer but was definitely his fault (this is coming from a person who isn't a fan of both of them)
you mean when Lewis decided he wasn't going to be forced off the track by Max's aggressive driving, Max caused the accident with his own recklessness expecting everyone to move out his way. This obvious from all the incidents that Max has been involved in.
Feels like they were waiting the last 3 years for max to commit a mistake to tarnish his whole career.
Oh yes, they are loving this. Poor Lando the plucky brit victim. 🙄
Still love both Lando and Max. Excited for more battles to come from them through the season!
first time since 21 max has been put under any pressure
Max has already done this to his dirty driver rep.
@@kiki-ig8fq Demonstrably not true. Ferrari were right with Red Bull on pace at the beginning of 2022. And there have been quite a few races where Verstappen's setup was wrong, or grid penalties, or SC mixed things up in 2023 and 2024.
Im a mclaren fan and even i can see that this is just a witch hunt.
It's weird, I've been a McLaren fan for almost 30 years and I thought it was exciting, edge of sofa stuff ... I was disappointed obviously that we lost so many points... but that's racing, things happen like this. I don't know why everyone is making such a big deal out of it. F1 fans (and commentators) have got really insane lately.
although to be fair, the rules and penalties in place these days just don't work.
@@rocket69218 i think the penalties are fine for the most part. Racing is always a bit unfair, especially in f1. What i want to see is exciting racing and unpredictable results. I also am enjoying the tension for this weekend.
im a max fan, and even i can see that max tried to take lando wide, and it went wrong
@@gerardryan3692 Exactly!
Amazing, they are calling for Max to get a grid drop penalty for the next race. Something they haven't even done for cases such as silverstone 21. This is wild.
As the face of F1, max should learn how to race cleanly.
Maybe if they make an example, rather than enabling a dangerous driver like in 21, then max might learn to respect his competition.
Max is a repeat offender his punishments are obviously not enough to stop his reckless behaviour.
@@therealjimshady100Max is the FIA love child they won’t punish him they showed that in 2021 they repeatedly let him get away with murder and handed him a world championship. Max is like Schumacher a fantastic driver but isn’t an honest driver and willing to cheat to achieve victory.
You punish for the event, not the result. How hard is this to understand???
@@jamesantill5065 and how many "events" (or to the rest of us, repeated behavior of outlawed driving standards), before a harder line gets drawn?
Or should they just keep repeating punishments which clearly dont deter max from his default setting of "you move or we crash"..... *cough cough* sorry i meant "hard racing".
They literally changed the rules to stop max doing this likehe spent 8 years doing, yet as soon as he gets challenged wheel to wheel he's back doing it?
Did that help or do i need to point out any more obvious things?
of course it’s Damon Hill who brings up Abu Dhabi 2021.
Yeah, and he keeps forgetting Great Britain 2021. They said Max deserved more than a 10 second penalty for "causing a collision" but I never heard them asking for a harsher penalty when Hamilton sent Max to the Hospital.
@@enriqueorganis exactly
@@GinnXXV well, I guess that's the well known "British bias".
That's never going away 💀
@@enriqueorganis Max sent Max you DTS😂
Damon hill saying Max is a bit rude on the radio. what about tsunoda Kevin Magnussen lewis hamilton Leclerc all of them are rude as hell on the radio
Meanwhile Lando called his engineer "blind" just moment ago but he is British so Bwoah 🎉
There's not a single race where Max doesnt call other drivers derogatory names. Was probably referring to that.
What about "angel" LANDO 😇
As a Crofty fan, and sky fan, I find this narrative disgusting. You need to get into your head that the great drivers DO NOT YIELD! Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton all the same.
There's rules for a reason. It's about safety NOT yielding. Drivers need to have trust in what the other guy is doing so they don't crash.
Lewis is a very clean racer Max is dirty and he’s revealing himself again.
@@GMan-fz5gs no, not Hamilton
as a heemskerk and viaplay fan, im very surprised by this response, and can not agree
Schumacher drove into his competitor on purpose and got disqualified as a result. No, the “do not yield” doesnt excuse dangerous driving, and it also robs us of a battle. There were several laps of battle left, but Verstappen had to keep swerving around under breaking like a rookie and put stop to that.
Croft should go listen to his commentary during Silverstone 21, Brazil 21, Monza 21....
Where was this kind of blame then?
All of which were maxs fault. Mayne karma caught up huh?
@@therealjimshady100 Not Max's fault at all. Ham took a penalty and should have seen the black flag at Silverstone. Period.
@@anthonyfrederick3214 "black flag" 🤣
Honestly you guys are so funny.
Max should have had at least 10 black flags in his career but he didnt. Stop crying.
Max should have gotten a multiple race ban for monza, by your logic. Almost killed lewis
they are as responsible as fia for enabling
He was commentating a race then. Not doing the same thing now.
Honestly, you expected him to have a 40min chat discussing who’s fault it was in the middle of a GP 😂
You guys have done such significant damage to the sport and contributed to all the toxicity.
A big fact. 💯
Comment of the year.
Pin this comment.
In your bias opinion 😂
I can't believe Max's competitors don't drive off the track so Max can break the rules. Just selfish.
Croft broadcasting from Ikea showroom.
They could at least have a green curtain with level camera or something.
I wish they'd replace him with James Allen who's knowledgeable and dignified. His broadcasts during the height of the Schumacher era were incredible.
Max doesn't deserve +10 he deserves -10 sec because it's lando Norris fault.
Crof and Krav are absolutely intolerable, Harry and Nico do a much better job
Brits: Max is a criminal!!
Non-Brits: What a race, the best of this year!
melodramatic much.
So all non brits thought max wasnt dangerous? 🤣
@@therealjimshady100 It's all the fault of British bias seemingly. 🤣
im a brit and i didnt think it was a best race of year, literlaly it was al lstale mate, the only exciting part was the few laps where Lando kept doing dive bombs and then him and Max crashing.
It might be the best race for drama of the year
@@billB101 its always british bias, we're all just really mean to max, his behavior has NOTHING to do with it.
We must revere max the fraud like all his cultists do, otherwise its just bias mate.
Just read a comment from a max fan calling someone juvenile because the word crashtappen was used.
The max fan begain their complaint with "lulu fans are so juvenile using that name". They honestly cant see the irony.
Max is like Senna and Schumacher: do or die. That attitude made them the goats of F1.
The GOAT of F1 is Jim Clark.
Didn't Schumacher get disqualified from the championship for this kind of thing. If the only way to win is to run a competitor off the track, hardly a GOAT
funny i remember schuey as a cheat.... like most ppl i know
@@sayceroAbsolutely. Forever tainted by his cheating against Damon Hill and his attempted cheating against Vileneuve.
Difference is they were good!. And didnt have sim racing and that mentality. He will kill someone or himself.. any luck
I turned it off after 1min when crofty says "everyone is entitled to their opinion"... Thats rich coming from sky sports 😅
Honestly all of them, especially after Will Buxton laughed in Alex Brundle's face on air for having a different opinion
Two friends, talking the same language 🤓
"To be fair" 🤣🤡😂🤡🤣
Didn’t Lando push Max off track last race?
yep and unlike in Austria there was a *wall* on the other side of Max so he had significantly less room (and a significantly more dangerous move by Lando IMO) to take avoiding action and yet, still managed it.
@@rileyrolstone Don't forget it was on a bloody straight, not even a turn where there are lines being taken by necessity to an extent.
@@IAmKry one of my favorite moments was in the cooldown room where Max pointed it out to Lando by saying “you don’t think when we are alongside it slows us both down?” And Lando was having none of it.
Like he may have said it nicely but I think Max was pointing out that Lando screwed himself over there (after all Max still won)
And then in the press conference after Lando was asked if he gave enough space. He said something to the effect of “I didn’t have a tape measure but I feel like I did.” What was notable is that both max and Lewis looked at each other and just started laughing.
That plus Lando’s “amateur” (his words not mine) failure to block the inside line on Max in the Austrian sprint. I think Lando was/is desperate to prove himself and prove that Miami wasn’t luck or a one off
And Max pushed Lando on the grass in the straight after they crashed.
Funny how you ignore that.
Sky Sports = British
Well done.. it is yes.. gold medal to you
And it would be the same if it was Leclerc, Sainz, Piastri.
Nope Sky Sports = American = Money
Yeah, and they are biased, but i don't think you will find anyone more objective, and above all they are very professional with approaching the issue.
@@Miloshhhhh 'Biased' and 'objective' are opposites.
You can't be both.
I literally hope max keeps not caring about you guys opinions like I do . What a load of crap .
Oh he'll bother alright 😂.
@@Astronurd probably not even noticeable to him xd
Until it ends in tragedy.....be careful what you wish for
Until the boot is on the other foot and he ends up with a DNF. You'll be insufferable then.
Ah you Guys didn’t have to be so kind , after you sir. This ain’t the powerpuff girls we’re watching .
Damon deleting his initial tweets about the incident…funny that
...glad someone else spotted that 😅
Which one is worse 1) Lando forcing Max on to the grass or 2) Max forcing Lando on to the run off area?
Lando meatriders won't answer that lol
Norris sent Max onto the runoff in turn 3 in Austria as well. And went off himself in one of his moves. But that was just incredibly clean racing according to everyone.
What was worse was Max moving in the breaking zone, if you do not think that is dangerous, i will meet you on the track and show you what it is like.
Bravo 👏
@@aventusV33if max didnt move under braking for 10 straight laps lando probably wouldnt of started trying divebombs
It was reported that Johny Herbert was the driver stewart and apparently only wanted to make an example by penalizing Max. With the interpretation that there was no actual cause according to the regulations.
Imagine Senna worried about reputation 😅
Had he not "ended his career" the way he did, he probably wouldn't even be spoken about today nearly as much and have the reputation he does. Prost was the superior driver of that era (out scored Senna in both of their two seasons in the same car) but because he wasn't as much of a risk taker and survived, nobody really talks about him. Had things been different, I really do believe Senna would just be "another great", perhaps similar to an Alonso or a Vettel. Unpopular opinion, I'm sure but just the reality of how our opinions can be warped by external events.
@@Pibikhen here, take your medication, go back to bed.
@@ryche.rising Great input. Phenomenal contribution. Thanks for sharing.
Do better.
first 20 minutes you guys are acting like Max pinned Norris to the wall and sent him to hospital
Nah, they’re just showing just a few instances where max has went overboard. There’s plenty of more examples😂 they were being generous.
@@lukasz065 shut up broke!
Shut up bloke!
it is getting more and more toxic with the british media.
20:21 to 20:25 is David Croft wishing the worst for Max. Pure evil.
@@paulsilas6037 one of worst guys around. Shame that even in 2024 we have to listen to such biased idiots.
The guy is a tool!
Why is this being made into such a big deal? Racing incident. Move on.
If dangerous driving wasnt a big deal they wouldnt have written the rule in the first place, because of Verstappen ironically
Man this reeks of anti max bias, now they will dictate how Max communicates with GP
Lando could technically move to the kerb and still on the racetrack. there's still plenty of space on the left which is kerb, but it up to lando to move there.
These men call themselves journalists/broadcasters/experts….they are just British biased!
@@SafakYokolma where is your same offence at the dutch media being biased in favour of max?
@@therealjimshady100 they are not. Did you watch it? I guess not
@@SafakYokolma 😂 good joke.
If Norris had approached the outside like Verstappen did overtaking Sainz in 2023 (where Sainz was in a similar position, less than a car's width from the white line) then he could have made the cut back on a tighter line. But he didn't do that because he was frustrated that he'd failed to get the position while he had the tyre advantage. Norris also needed to abuse track limits to even get close enough to pass, so I don't have any sympathy for him. Sainz or Leclerc would have handled that situation better. I don't recall seeing any battles when Norris has shown he can race.
Max is a liability, as proven across his career. Rules were invented because of how dangerous he is.
Throwing shade at Lando won't remove that tag.
@@alsayedfakhri4597 All the best drivers exploited the rules. The reason he used to move under breaking was because of how underpowered the Red Bull was. He stopped doing it when they changed the wording of the rules. We've seen hard racing between Verstappen, Sainz and Leclerc without collisions. The collisions tend to involve Russell and apparently Norris, who make clumsy moves when they get frustrated. Verstappen is often on the limit of what's acceptable, but he places his car very deliberately and under control. Norris putting him on the dirt in Barcelona isn't the way he drives. You know full well if the positions were reversed these two would still claim Verstappen was at fault.
@@Ruylopez778 Max only races clean when his car is half a second per lap quicker. He's a liability.
@@alsayedfakhri4597 We've seen plenty of battles from Verstappen in 22, 23 and 24 that didn't involve collisions. Russell and Norris being exceptions. I'd say Hamilton's had more collisions than Verstappen has in that time.
@@Ruylopez778 again, when he had a car half a second quicker per lap and DRS worth 3x every other car.
They wearnt saying a 10 second penalty wasn't enough for Lewis at Silverstone when Lewis nearly killed max
There was a lot of comments at the time about the sufficiency of Hamilton's penelty
Oh Lando Lando.. remember 2021 when you used to praise Max for throwing his car at Lewis? Feels a little different now don’t it? 🤷
Put L.Norris in Leclerc shoes and see him rage quit F1 😬
i agree this incident showed landos hypocrisy
I am sure LH said to Lando, remember when he -MV- was doing these things to me? Now is your turn!...😅
It's easier to compliment when you're not involved, plus now the rules are clear, and Max is breaking them
Oh yess, indeed
There is not damage for Max reputation. Look at Senna now. The man still a god.. and he did things even worse that what happened in Austria. Damon is talking with his British eyes. Even Lewis did things like Max did and none British talking about that.😂😂😂😂😂😂
No, Lewis did not react with aggression to everything like Max has always done. The two are not remotely similar. In the first few years of Lewis's career he held his own from the first race against a multiple world champion in equal machinery. By contrast Max was bumping into other cars and crashing out in over 50% of races - recall the crashstappeb era, before other drivers just started diving out of his way for self preservation. Not, remotely, at the same level.
The difference of course is that Senna was a likeable person.
British eyes 🤓😳👀
Lovit 🤣🤣🤣
So true
FUNNY BUNNY
Any chance we can get some analysis of Lando attitude behind the wheel?
Like constantly complaining and hoping the steward will step in, rather than focus and drive ?
A STEWARD SHOULD HAVE STEPPED IN!
Also the ridiculous divebombs that would never work and smashing into Max after they had that slight rub.
@@eilidhml6323Yeah, to give Lando a track limits penalty
@@eilidhml6323 They didn't find anything wrong with Max's driving
@@Selendeki LOLZ. THEN WHY DID HE GET A 10 SEC PENALTY?
Did you have a look at Peter Windsor take on the incident?
No, but you are right. That's probably more of a correct view. I just find his podcasts super boring. He needs and interviewer or moderator.
And Eddie Jordan.
I did and peter is very based on this one as he usually is.
Yes but Peter doesn't have all the information and data along with all the other camera evidence. Max got penalty points on he's race license, stop with the British Biased BS that every max/redbull fan says. Over half the f1 pundits are not British at all like Ted kravits. I'm European and most fan's I know have the same opinion about max and if you listen to other f1 channels for other countries they all say the same thing. British biased is a bigger joke than max racing skills wheel to wheel.
Peter Windsor has Red Bull bias.
Some British pundits are a bit of joke. Max taught Lando a valuable lesson. Welcome to hard racing.
Break the rules racing? Max should try a different formula.
If it was just hard racing then they wouldnt have needed to write the rule in the first place, because of Verstappen, ironically
Russell taught Max an important lesson.
Don’t crash into drivers and you can win a race even in a much slower car.
@@paperplane-db8qf Russel isn’t a threat to Max.
Max extended his championship lead. I guess you’re new to F1
lando threw his own race away
Oh boy this reeks of bias...lets bash Verstappen and Gianpiero Lambiase . When a British driver races hard: Let them race!
Gianpiero Lambiase is British, Red Bull is a British based team with a British team principal. This is not about Britain against anyone else but about dangerous driving.
..this is bias...you should listen to the Brit-based podcasts...the last two races (not including Australia) have been everything about 'why Lando lost the race' and not about the race and all the other drivers on the grid....they may as well have a Shrine with a Lando statue in their rooms
@@allanokeeffe9499they’re literally Austrian but ok????
This is completely British Biased.
And the dutch media is completely biased in maxs favour. Who'd have thought?
It's a British channel lol.
@@billB101 shhhhhh, we must all worship the fraudulent one
A british tv channel?! Nooo way.
@@therealjimshady100not true most pundits said max deserved a penalty…but they didn’t make a week full of analysis regarding the crash, after Sunday it was over
The best part ends at 0:00. It’s funny no one mentions the 4 laps it took FIA for a slam dunk track limits 5 sec penalty to Lando. And how everyone is treating as he was driving all good and dandy.
Going slightly over the line a few times, which Verstappen and others did too, is not the same as deliberately swerving around under breaking, which only Verstappen does. The rule was literally written in response to Verstappen pulling this stunt too often.
"A big protective ring around Max". I think you should watch this back and listen to the big protective ring you're putting around Lando, he isn't innocent either, Max had to take avoiding action plenty of times prior to this incident and not only in this race. Stop the Bias, this is why no one can take Sky Sports seriously anymore.
just make Jos a steward ... there, problem solved 🤣
You say that Norris has been aggressive and a little dangerous is a result of the spring, but Max didn't do anything dirty or terrible agresive in the spring. For me, it is the inexperience of Norris
So biased and ridiculous. Regulations are going to destroy any of the real racing in F1. David Croft obviously dislikes Max so very difficult for him to be fair.
I don`t think it is personal. It is a well known tactic from the Brits to attack every non British driver ask Alonso.
Yep, except actually in this case Max's overzealous defending actually spoils the potentiality of overtaking..which is what we all want
Are you kidding??? Go watch Crofty call AD2021 again. He's soooo biased towards Maxxy Pad.
They quickly moved past the track limits violations from Lando as well.
* non british driver consistently breaks rules, consistently isn't punished, wins because the FIA loves drama because it makes money * 'brits attack non british drivers' -- LOL.
Hey listen you guys saying Max should be worried about his reputation as a driver: I refer you to the GOAT Michael Schumacher.
Same style
Jim Clark is the GOAT.
I've never seen a sports commentator have as many agendas as David Croft, he's supposed to be impartial and just commentate on the action but instead he has to have an opinion on everything especially when it's Max
No No Way. I'm not touching this British cicle-gerk of a bias-fest against Max and praising Lando as a saint. No. Done with the british sensationalism.
BYE THEN 👋🎉
Why do all Max fans believe their messiah is never at fault?! You don’t hear the positives coming from an F1 champion? Go back to supporting football would be a wise choice!
@@bobjames5781was this his error: yep. Did Lando drive desperately, with mile long dive bombs and over the line: yep.
It’s a racing incident where both drivers were spicy. Can’t clap with one hand. I’d put 60/40 blame for the incident on Max.
@@Astronurd oh happily!! But do you know what I will do with even MORE happiness? Drink to your tears when Max drinks them out of his victory cup after winning Silverstone!
So go read some Dutch news about this then.
Why does Crofty and Damon saw Max moving under braking...and Peter Windsor who is very knowledgeable did not?
Peter Windsor is not infallible. Just look at his comments section; there's always at least 1 correction from his subscribers. Have you seen the helicopter cam for that incident? From that shot you can see Max steering left into Lando who was along side.
i watched that video peter was right but wrong. max did break in a straight line (as windsor said) but was already angled to the left so drifted into norris which windsor missed
Hmmm dunno, maybe all that telemetry showing braking and steering inputs.
Plus all those things called cameras, or eyes?
@@divinasi0n Max steered right & then immediately left before turn 3.
@@oliverheyes5747 drifting to the outside of the track to squeeze the opponent wideis par for the course, it's hard but fair in my eyes. Max didn't do that. He starts turning more to the left under hard braking as can be seen from the chopper.
Max is a hard driver, brilliant defence and aggressive overtaking. Simple as that, we need more drivers like him.
Max is not that he is a dangerous man and should be kicked out the sport max will seriously injury someone soon
Fact, it's Maxterclass 🇳🇱 Simply Lovely🧡
But when other racers do the same to him, he’s first to moan.
@@LeeHadley like Lewis, like Russell & so on. It gets to everyone when they miss that gap
Lando ruined the bottom of his car by himself. He had to slow down to the Pitt .
Crofty reads out the applicable rule. Then defines "irratic driving" as moving twice. Then accused Max to have moved twice.. which Max didn't do, in none of the occasions during the race. Max did move once in reaction to Lando, which is allowed (and basic racing imo). This is not Indycar.
Note also that Lando would not have been penalised for track limits in the crash incident if he would have moved a bit more to the left. That would have prevented the damage to both cars and Lando would have passed Max easily when then switching to the inside line. Lando was entitled to a full cars width (hence the penalty for Max), but it wasn't smart racing. He would have had 5 seconds in hand and could have even stayed behind Max.
Max did put Lando on the grass after the crash, which could be in retribution, but could also be caused by the damage on the rear left. Only Max knows.
Oh, and one last thing... remember Silverstone 2021? Was St. Lewis the villan then?
Gawd, there must no stupider job than being an F1 pundit. Try to remember what racing is, Damon.
Lando’s penalty occurred and what he did was prior to the incident and Lando knew that he had an automatic 5 second penalty for breaking track limits 4 times.
He was well aware of this and became even more desperate rather than taking proactive action by driving accordingly.
So the fact is that at that point Lando was 5 seconds behind when he attempted to pass.
Lando did not need to turn into Max as he had every opportunity to brake and slow his car to avoid an accident.
Sadly he chose not to because of his immaturity
People acting like there was an invisible wall at the kerbs
Lando pushed track limits when he was trying to pull on max but when he was trying to overtake he couldnt even put the whole tire on the kerb and just wants verstappen to magically disappear after the corner 😂
Lando praising Max's driving in 2021. One come together with Max and he's shedding tears in the post race interview. Lando doesn't have the mental capacity to come wheel to wheel with Max all season.
The bias is insane. Why are they now considering about Lando retirement being a factor to Max's penalty when they didn't do the same for Silverstone 2021? By crofty's logic Lewis should've been black flagged, especially at the insane speeds that it happened.
Bull. Max did that very same thing at Silverstone 21, changing course to avoid an overtake. How is that Lewis' fault???
I haven't heard it yet, but seeing Damon, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he thinks it's 100% Max's fault and 0% Lando's.
It's Damon....hard racing was never in his blood nor any driver that isn't British....specially after listening to him the past 20+ years, ironically he deleted his initial comment on social media...I'll guess someone told him to remove it before the backlash
Watch the Peter Windsor video, he got the whole spot on.
My take on the whole thing. It was exciting racing. We need more of this and less interference from the stewards, and scrap the silly rules. Before the point of contact one thing was true: Lando was about to get a 5 second penalty for track limits, so he knew that, so why for the love of motor racing did he think putting his car up the side of Max was going to end well. At best Max would come over left and then turn right to take the racing line, thus squeezing Lando. Lando would have to take to the side of the track to avoid contact, thus going off track, thus getting another track limit penalty. Lando knew that, so decided to not move and CONTACT! That was always going to happen.
Sky rubbish as always. The Peter Windsor take on it is much more impartial.
Only impartial because it fits your own confirmation bias.
Haha 1 person thinks Max did nothing wrong and suddenly he's 'impartial'. What nonsense.
@@billB101And obviously doesn't fit with your confirmation bias.
Agreed. Every driver squeezes the car behind in an overtake situation, lando could have avoided it but he didn't.
@@IanIredale I actually watched the race.
So now that we know the exact inner workings of Max's brain, can we expect another podcast of the theme but for Lando instead? Love to hear how all his inadequacies will forever keep him from winning a championship. Wait. What am I thinking. This is SkyF1 we are talking about! Lando can do no wrong. A messy lunge right Damon? Not an incredibly desperate and poorly executed dive-bomb... over.. and over..?
I'm pretty sure divebombing over and over was maxs modus operandi for 8 years.
Do you not see the irony when max and his fans get all upset about being on the recieving end.
Its called "hard racing" remember?
It wasn’t clever racing from either of them. They had about ten laps left with Max struggling on tyres with Norris noted for leaving track with a quicker car. And yet, instead of being patient, he ran off track in an attempt to take Verstappen over, and Max lost his cool as well. Both were at fault in that
Agreed 👍
Very well said👏. Finally someone with common sense
Completely agree. Teams didn’t inform their drivers in a timely manner, also because the stewards didn’t do a timely job. Apparently Lando had already violated these track limits four time after receiving an official warning, before the stewards finally penalized him. But just in time for McLaren to do a 5 second stop just before retiring the car.
Stewards procrastinating as long as possible to give Norris the 5s penalty for track limits. It took what, 3-5 laps for something that was obviously his 4th strike. Had they just acted in a normal and timely fashion Norris would come over the line first and be on the second step. As for the racing, jinking by Max was ugly, as was Norris' trying to bomb a corner he was never going to make. But thats racing I guess and what happened happened.
Narrative: Max is guilty and go from there...
not just "max is guilty", it's "Max is guilty and this is part of a consistent pattern of bad behaviour unique to him since he entered the sport, and he needs to be punished severely to prevent him from doing so again".
well he was at fault tho, he got a penalty so why wouldnt that be the narrative?
@@daarom3472 so much so that they created driving standard rules, based upon Max's dangerous driving. I think that says it all
@@daarom3472 But it is? Notice it's always him yet 'he's never wrong'
@@nickt4200 nice frame.
I agree Max 2015-2018 was extremely rash and caused a lot of inchidents. But ever since it's been 50/50. Even in 2021 he was crashed into more than he crashed into others.
So with your logic Damon Sir Lewis should have got more than a 10 second penalty for putting max of at silverstone
If Max left a cars width there would have been no accident, Lewis had no room on his side. duh!
@DavidJohnson-dc8lu watch again Lewis completely missed the apex in '21. Did have space. Plenty.
@@DavidJohnson-dc8lu Have you tried watching the incident with your eyes open? Lewis had loads of space.
No no no, you see he's uh... errrr, he's uh... hmmmm you see he's... well you know he's... British.
No I mean innocent, nothing to do with nationality here at all, nope, not one bit.
@marco_neil never completely missed the apex, was less than a car width from the apex, in racing it should be allowed, hownmany times in F1 have we seen drivers take a late apex to compromise their opponents?
These two certainly care about negativity towards drivers 💀
David Croft is the most biased commentator
After reading the comments I’m not even gonna bother watching .
You should watch it, so you can hear the greatest bullshit of 2024
Too many Red Bull fanboys in the comments.
Bye 👋.
Last person's opinion I want to hear is Crofty tbh
Go watch somone else then
So why you watching a Crofty video?
And nobody wants to read your opinion yet here you are
probably on the wrong channel then, cya
Watch the commentaries Peter Windsor made about this race!! May shed another light on things! My opinion is Max was one, Lando second! If Lando wants to win, he has to fight for it
Newsflash: There isn’t a rule in the Sporting Regulations that says that you ‘can’t move under braking’. There used to be, but it’s long gone.
Wish more people would understand the rules, crying about something that's not even a rule
No one is going to remembered as too feisty, that's absurd.
I mean. Schumacher? Lol
Maldonado
Seriously starting to think canceling my Sky subscription....they hated him from the beginning...he's a-political...doesn't get involved in woke divisive stuff or hangs out with celebs or so called good causes.... he does his own thing and don't care what people say...kudos to him!
When Max was running LH off the track, no issues, no shouting...seems like it was acceptable then... now with Lando its an issue.
It should have been an issue back then already.... but because it was LH being forced off they didnt care
Prejudice will never stop
This is almost like watching Monty Python from the old days, typical british humor.
Thank you for the good laugh, I'm sure Max will make note of your concerns 🤣😂
Also very interesting is how we’ve forgotten that one of Lando’s dive bombings forced Max off track, and had Max chosen NOT to leave the track, they would have crashed…👀
Also I didn’t hear Croft and his merry men and women at Sky F1 complain when Lando forced Max onto the grass at Barcelona…👀
If it wasn't so sad it'd be funny. Remember these people know F1, they've been in it for a minute. Underneath that thin layer of varnish? Vanity and toxicity reign.
Think you need to have a lie down mate, 3 comments in the space of 3 minutes. Max doesn't know you lil bro.
Actually he had bag's of room but over acted it to make us think that
Reminds me of the first lap of Abu Dhabi 2021…
not a good excuse !!
the facts matters , Peter Winsor's analysis is spot on , I understand fans choosing side especially the ones whom are not even legit to drive a car , the fact is that Lando's front wing hit Max's left rear tire , that's undeniable , another significant point is that Max did not steer towards Norris , I don't see the point that Max get all the negatives here , any driver moves to get the apex right
The race commentary was so much better without Croft, stay at home!
Ugh all these DTS F1 'fans' who think a single driver (Max) should be able to do what he wants without consequence and calls any truthful criticism 'bias'
Remember LH getting a 10 sec penalty at Silverstone, Max in the hospital Lewis running around with a flag and getting the win……yes you are bias. At that time only praise for for LH…..
Should have left more space then shouldn’t he?!
Yep
Don’t forget that it was Verstappen that turned out of the corner then recommitted expecting Hamilton to magically have disappeared.
If he’d given way, he’d have survived and maybe even got the cutback…
@@barksnbo3625scamilton missed the apex by a country mile. Re watch who had more space to give…
@@sammoore3687 doesn’t have to hit the apex!! He just has to have the inside line at turn in (at that time according to FIA rules)
So try again….
Can anyone here provide proof that Max actually changed his line under braking? As a spectator we do not actually see when a driver hits the brakes! Or did he simply brake his car diagonally to the racing line? Lando stayed on track with all four wheels to do exactly what - crash into his opponent?
Max covered the middle, then turned left and breaked to make the apex.
@@daarom3472I can believe you had to spell that out
Go watch Antony davidsons analysis then you’ll know
@@KJ28554 I did- he has no telemetry data. He sees the car braking diagonally and "just" assumes Max is changing his line.
@@daarom3472 Exactly what I said - the last action was braking - so no turning under braking.
Hamilton got a ten seconds penalty at Silverstone for punting Max of the track while they where driving at breakneck speed. Max ended in the wall, his car was totally ruined, Ham served his penalty and drove on to win the race. Was the penalty severe or harsh enough????
See lap 26 main race Austria 2023. Sains vs Verstappen. No issue. Max didn't steer to the left Sunday, watch his on board. Lando had room on the left, same as max in 2023 without risking a time penalty or crash. Lando has got a lot of experience in racing in the back, I hope he learns quickly how to race in the front like Verstappen, Saints en Leclerc, so we get good battles.
Yeah , it’s better to Lando focus on his driving , rather than always saying it’s gonna be win this race , 3x because I have a quicker car, always craying
Fun fact: out of all GP winners Lando had the worst DotD vs P1 record in F1. Even worse than Charles' pole to win ratio.
First Skysports F1 podcast I have tunned out of. This was one incident. And Max is was not entirely saint but. . .Wow
With out watching hill n Croft will be usual ban max he’s bad. Biased reporting. Didnt hear them roasting Norris for max spain start forcing max off
Norris one incident in Spain...Max?
How many drivers has Max bothered ontrack? Theres no smoke without fire!
Sky when lando forces max off onto grass in Spain and off the track In Austria: ☺️☺️☺️
Sky when max forces lando to put a wheel over a curb: 😡😡😡
It's funny y'all told merc fans to forget abt 21 , but you're the ones bringing it up 😂😂.
Complete British bias. They keep saying Max moved under breaking. But the rule is no dangerous driving. And Max's VERY minimal change in direction hardly amounts to 'danger'. Also this biased comment about that Max left no car-width. In Spain Norris left Max no car-width at the start. But Max avoided a collision by putting a wheel on the grass. Lando should simply have done the same. Time to add some non-British commentators to balance it out.
moving under braking and taking out two cars isn’t dangerous? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jesus you're clueless and if you watch footage from behind, then your comical description adds up to a cars width, not slightly.
You're out of your depth here junior
Let's ignore all Lando's divebombs , completely missing the corner, lets not give him a visible 5 sec penalty for 4x track violations and especially let's not tell Max about it because we want this battle to heat up.
Then ,let's talk about Max how dirty he is because he made one wrong move the last few years because we are still sore from AD21, how he should be stopped and harshly penalized while we see other drivers race in and race out do much harsher things to even their team mates (Ocon Gasly, Sainz to pretty much anyone, Checo, Kmag etc the list goes on).
This is a British Witchhunt against Verstappen because they simply dont like him and his father.
Is Damon hill literally blind now? Lando didn’t have ONE tyre on the side! Not one! So what you mean if he moves over he gets track limits!?!?!? DAMON YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL FOUR WHEELS OVER THE LINE BUDDY!!!! This shows how dumb these people are
Unlike some, some of us in this world certainly don't like or excuse wife beating, violent thugs, abusive criminals and cheats.....now prove a single one of those statements about Jos a wrong!! He will never be welcomed or supported by anyone with an ounce of integrity!
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but can say that I much preferred it when the corner belonged to the person leading. This business of having to leave space on the outside is so counter-intuitive to racing. When I used to do club racing in the days of the dinosaurs, if you are trying to hang it around the outside and could see that there is no space, you simply backed off the throttle…. No harm, no foul. You would pressurize the guy in front and, if he made a mistake, you would pounce. If the leader did not make a mistake under pressure, then he wins the race. Things were much simpler then. As Peter Windsor said, DRS has expounded the problems in the braking zone.
"is it going to his reputation in the long run? Id hate to see that" Oh please. You'd LOVE to see that Damon. You don't like the guy its pretty evident.
Do they realize they're completely contradicting themselves re: Silverstone '21? Do they realize that it doesn't matter what the rulebook says its how the stewards choose to officiate? Do they realize we rarely ever have racing this close? Do they realize Lando made the wrong decision to not move left whether he had the right or not? Do they realize the stewards delayed a 5 second time penalty to Lando that would've avoided the whole incident to begin with? Do they realize they've lost sight of reality?
NOR lap 59, dive bombing on the inside and locking up and going off track. VER took evasive action to not get tboned from an overly aggressive overtake attempt. His premature rookie excitement made NOR unpredictable. VER wasn’t going to have that again. It was a professional foul. VER was properly booked. Time to move on. Noris’ inexperience as a front runner over the last three races exposed him as a liability.
Show the steering and braking trace. Stop this nonsense. The pressure they (British Media) are putting on the already weak minded Norris will break him by the end of the season.
only blame i have is on the race officials. If they had given Lando his exceeding track limits penalty in a timely fashion none of this would have happened. Max would have let him by and glued himself to within 2 seconds to the end. Why are we ignoring this?
Drivers get booed because people buy the narrative you sell.
'You', collectively as the media.
When you ask a driver how he feels about the booing, how do you do that with sincerity?
i wonder what the dutch media is posting about this.
and i wonder what are your replies under those posts.
You can check that yourself. Google exists.
And I don't read/watch Dutch media.
But they are surely also contributing to building toxicity.
@@shu6037 Find out what they are posting.
Also, my remark stands regardless of the person being booed. Drivers race, events happen, media weave narratives, people buy different narratives, the driver gets booed.
I don't watch/read Dutch media.
Thing is as professional commentators they should know the rules, a 12 year old kid would know this, sloppy journalism at it's best.
If Max is stuck in the middle of a “tug of war” between his mgrs, Horner, dad etc, he could ease some of the pressure by telling his dad to BUTT OUT and just be a dad.
Sky pundits are back with their anti Max bias.
RUclips comments are back with their English hate 😂
Hahaahaaaha
Or just their opinions.
@@kristoffer3000 explain the abhorant behavior.
From my memory, the only disgraceful fans were those at the dutch GP last year and the year before. The toxicity in F1 only started when Max did, no small coincidence.
@@therealjimshady100 Are you serious? If so there's no need in continuing this because you're so far removed from reality that it's not even funny.
Lando launches to the inside, Max does not crash to him, avoids the contact, controls the car.
Max moves marginally to the left when Lando takes over from the outside, Lando does not move to try to avoid the crash.
Why?
Was it tight, Yes.
Was there a space for Lando to move to, Yes.
It's called racing to the limit!
SENNA:
"If you no longer go for the gap, you're not a racing driver"
my friend, it was Lando going for the space...not Max...
But, it's all good ;)
Not a fan of either. Rule says you cannot move when under braking. Max did it at least 3 times. He should have been pinged the first time.
As we saw with the last pass the guy is going to just drive into you rather than let you past. That can't be allowed to continue.
I can smell that RBR won’t be talking to them soon or banning them again with all this biased take🤷🏻♂️The hate they have because the driver that’s dominating is not british is unbelievable. Sooner or later this will all backfire to them….
SkySportsF1 are getting so comical with their takes…
@@therealjimshady100 RB were in the right to boycott Sky, they're a disgrace, much like yourself.