The objective approach is appreciated. I don't have the skill to actually test this for racing but give 6" or 5.5" props in the rear a shot with 5" in the fron. May sound crazy at first but the strategy is the same. SX, wide rear, Z or step geometries all attempt to improve the effectiveness of the rear props. The biggest obvious issue will be the annoyances to roll performance....which the code today may account for. The other thing is weight distribution on the quad however that's a more so based on comfort with the setup.
don't you think putting bigger props in the rear would make the quad react slower? it's much hard for a motor to spin a 6" vs 5" prop. i'll be doing some testing this week and report in part 2 of this video
@@FlightClubFPV yes and no. Maybe the 5" in the front will pull up the slack enough to make it not all that noticeable. I would guess that in long sweeping turns, the 6" in the rear should feel really good and the quad should feel more like a snowboard tracking in a turn. However the roll response may be too weird in general to consider actually using full time.
some of my tightest flying was a quad with 7'' arms and 7'' props out back with 1900kv and 5'arms and 5'' props out front with 2450kv. the authority was a dream i called it the butterfly configuration
I actually have the mck xbee and the SX vs HX the SX is way more responsive and faster in a Stra8 line and corners which you can definitely see the difference. To me the HX feels like you need more higher rates.
....when running different props why still run identical motors? in nature you see different setups for speed and for agility. when racing tight courses a rabbit setup seems optimal in my test. I also tested with angeling(?) the motors inward up front and outward at the back to maximize grib. This strain of thought brings different motor sizes on the same quad into play since their roles are now more clearly defined.in freestyle, flying styles like inZane fpv's, should benefit a lot, but that dude's skills need no help what so ever, so these thoughts are for the rest of us :-)
That was amazing Mike, thanks for confirming our assumptions on this matter. I have found the same results even with a 4s hyrbrid setup on my proton. I really look forward to the second video to see some clearer results. You're a legend!
8:55 Syringe appears fast flash. Bottom right on screen. I enjoyed learning about the different arm sizes used on a quad. Sounds intriguing. Makes sense about the propwash issue. Thank you for the demo and looking forward to seeing the next video update.
Great video, I have the Proton Skeleton with fin and love it. Was just talking last weekend at the track about doing this, interesting to see you doing this with no one better to test it with! Vanover is crazy fast! Syringe is at 8:55 bottom right corner.
Like I've been telling people for a year now (yup) - it's definitely an improvement, but it's a tiny one and only present in a few moves. Feels a touch more planted in negative AoA moves, by that I mean the back end is a tiny bit more stable so you can focus on pinning it out of Split-S, Powerloop, and Hairpins. It's one of those 2% improvements that add up, and it still comes with a ~10g weight penalty overall, but I feel it's worth it. Good to see Mike feels the same with, with the Neutron-R basically supporting that setup out of the box.
As I am getting into the racing field I love watching all your videos! captainvanover can really make a drone scream hope one day to be almost as good. I really couldn't find the syringe but loved the video You really rock it .
8:55.00 I am trying 2206/2450kv BrotherHobby R4 in front and 2207/2550kv Emax LS on the rear with same kind of props. I havn't try to really compare it to normal all same motors though, lazy to swap the rear motors. I did this coz I want to relieve the rear motor work load. Notice that rear motors are hotter than front motors every flight. However, the quad I build with differ motor results in all 4 motors hotter than I used to. But it has higher ESC output(old quad use 25A and 20A ESC, new differ motors quad use 40A ESC). So I am doubting is the all motors getting hotter is due to the 40A ESC?
Did you ever do anymore testing on this Hybrid X configuration? What was the final conclusion and configuration? Better, worse, or same as stretch-x? Reason I'm asking is due to HGLRC Arrow 3inch hybrid now. Did you start a trend? 😁
Weird, I was actually testing this today! I've got a set of 5" X, 5" SX, and 6" X and for the Proton and I've been trying them out. Favourite so far is 6" true-X with 5" props. Quad feels super stable and under control. The 5SX /6X hybrid I didn't like very much, felt like... understeer? I was having a hard time getting my nose into the corner. I actually preferred the 5SX/5X hybrid, it's more subtle but it has a nice feel to it, like it's carving a little more.
@@FlightClubFPV in my country you need to be 18+ to legally fly a drone over 250g(and the drone needs to have GPS), so I'll just hide my 5" at home, and that's also why in the upcoming long range footage on my channel (in about a week it'll be up) I'm using my 3" quad.
If I had to guess it would be to get the rear props into cleaner air. When I look at blackbox data on a True X the rear motors are usually working a little harder than the front. The rear motors usually have like 5%-10% more throttle applied. By extending them a little farther to the rear this gets them away from the turbulence of the front props.
@@FlightClubFPV I have tried 5" props on 6" frames before and they fly really good. My current favorite quad I own is a custom 6" stretch X frame I built with 5" props. 6" stretch X puts the front and rear motors extra far from each other.
I've run two of the Minchan Hybrid frames (MCK and XBAir), I keep coming back to a plain old true X or a stretch though. There is a different feel on the roll axis and I also notice I tend to clip the back arms on gates a little more until I get used to it.
You can tell he’s way faster and more comfortable on the 5x5 over the 5x6... The only reason he was faster the first time was when you challenged him and he went 100% on the track.
@@FlightClubFPV yeah maybe checked with a buddy of mine who is an A&P /IA and he said they may not have a flight tower then you can...did not know that either way I wanna have a hanger house
You can call the control tower and get permission. I have done it. When I told them I would be staying under treetop level they didn't care and acted like it was a waste of time even asking them. They don't want idiots flying up high and getting in the path of planes taking off and landing.
The hybrid config does look interesting but in bf the custom motor mix will maybe cause some efficiency and thrust loss, though it may corner better as the rear props seem to have cleaner air
abaut the hybrid conf. is like alex said that you have may practise and take time to learn how to take the full potential for this kind of hybrid setup but to be real i think just to change de diamitri of the quad it dont be make you faster i think its all abaut thw way you like that the quad respons and feels and how mutch potecial you can take out of your setups great job onthe Proton/neutron series i love this frames 💪
I like the x or the stretch x on all my frames, I don't like a squashed x. Maybe a hybrid squashed x could help me get the flight feel I want and props out of view.
The objective approach is appreciated. I don't have the skill to actually test this for racing but give 6" or 5.5" props in the rear a shot with 5" in the fron. May sound crazy at first but the strategy is the same. SX, wide rear, Z or step geometries all attempt to improve the effectiveness of the rear props. The biggest obvious issue will be the annoyances to roll performance....which the code today may account for. The other thing is weight distribution on the quad however that's a more so based on comfort with the setup.
don't you think putting bigger props in the rear would make the quad react slower? it's much hard for a motor to spin a 6" vs 5" prop. i'll be doing some testing this week and report in part 2 of this video
@@FlightClubFPV yes and no. Maybe the 5" in the front will pull up the slack enough to make it not all that noticeable. I would guess that in long sweeping turns, the 6" in the rear should feel really good and the quad should feel more like a snowboard tracking in a turn. However the roll response may be too weird in general to consider actually using full time.
some of my tightest flying was a quad with 7'' arms and 7'' props out back with 1900kv and 5'arms and 5'' props out front with 2450kv. the authority was a dream i called it the butterfly configuration
I actually have the mck xbee and the SX vs HX the SX is way more responsive and faster in a Stra8 line and corners which you can definitely see the difference. To me the HX feels like you need more higher rates.
....when running different props why still run identical motors? in nature you see different setups for speed and for agility. when racing tight courses a rabbit setup seems optimal in my test. I also tested with angeling(?) the motors inward up front and outward at the back to maximize grib. This strain of thought brings different motor sizes on the same quad into play since their roles are now more clearly defined.in freestyle, flying styles like inZane fpv's, should benefit a lot, but that dude's skills need no help what so ever, so these thoughts are for the rest of us :-)
Fantastic results, dude! Pretty impressive! 😃
That was amazing Mike, thanks for confirming our assumptions on this matter.
I have found the same results even with a 4s hyrbrid setup on my proton. I really look forward to the second video to see some clearer results.
You're a legend!
i think i'm going to get 6" and 5.5" wide X cut for the neutron just to see
@@FlightClubFPV I would be curious to see the results on a Neutron as well!
Nice setup he has there. It is good to help such a talent anyway possible to achieve the very best. The best of luck to him.
omg !!!! blown away by vanover's skills
Watching now. I’ve been wanting to see some more hybrid frame reviews! Thanks! 8:55 bottom right of the screen
You're kicking ass with the latest series of videos Mike! Keep it up. Loving them.
thanks brother!
8:55 Syringe appears fast flash. Bottom right on screen. I enjoyed learning about the different arm sizes used on a quad. Sounds intriguing. Makes sense about the propwash issue. Thank you for the demo and looking forward to seeing the next video update.
8:54 bottom right Haha I seen it pop up before the end of the video lol, vanober is a wizard, and flighclub is killer! Great work guys.
Ive been testing this on my merrica build and can feel it turns much easier around corners. I cant wait to see more results of this, keep it up.
Very snappy and fast. That is awesome. Love the content brother!
thanks bro!
Impressive kkkk!! The biggest pilot of the world
Congrats Vanover
Damn that dude can RIP!!!! Cpt. Vanover is a beast!!!
Nice to see how you guys pushing the hobby for faster results keep it up cheers 🍻
Holy Sheeez!!!
Excellent Vid..sick ripping!!
Always pushing the envelope!!
Flight Club just on top of the game!!
I wish I lived in a Hangar!!
i know right. we could all be vanover, ha
Great video, I have the Proton Skeleton with fin and love it. Was just talking last weekend at the track about doing this, interesting to see you doing this with no one better to test it with! Vanover is crazy fast! Syringe is at 8:55 bottom right corner.
Like I've been telling people for a year now (yup) - it's definitely an improvement, but it's a tiny one and only present in a few moves. Feels a touch more planted in negative AoA moves, by that I mean the back end is a tiny bit more stable so you can focus on pinning it out of Split-S, Powerloop, and Hairpins. It's one of those 2% improvements that add up, and it still comes with a ~10g weight penalty overall, but I feel it's worth it.
Good to see Mike feels the same with, with the Neutron-R basically supporting that setup out of the box.
1:00 brilliant Mike!!! 😃😃
Great video and congrats Christian
8:54 in the corner.
The hybrid setup looks interesting 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
Very interesting test ! Hope I get to try the Proton 😉
Great work as always!
22.31, I like the configuration, it makes a lot of sense. I haven't tried it yet though so I'm excited to do so
Nice to see how the top pilots live and train.
literally eat, sleep and fly. you need a level of obsession to be one of the best in the world at anything
Great vid hybrid for the win
Now we’re talkin. Great vid! Very informative
As I am getting into the racing field I love watching all your videos! captainvanover can really make a drone scream hope one day to be almost as good. I really couldn't find the syringe but loved the video You really rock it .
thank you! lots more videos coming
Great job Mike...I love my ProTon! It's 6" so...at first I thought it was on the grill by the stairs 8:54
+1👍 lmao, your antics are insane and i love it.
Grats C.F.!! Thanks Mike!! Wishing you perfect health!!
thanks brother!
8:54 on the right down courner. Great video
Great video! I also have both Proton Skeletons and Canopy versions.
great review as always 8:54
Can't wait to build mine,,, trying to be patient :)
Good video. The only thing I use is voltage in the on screen display. Life of a freestyle pilot....
The frame looks cool. Hope to try one.
Awesome vid guys!!
I like the fact that these tweaks are pushing the hobby forward.
yes, lots of tweaking to do in the coming weeks. i think i'll make 6" true x and 5.5 wide x for the neutron
Great video !
8:55.00 I am trying 2206/2450kv BrotherHobby R4 in front and 2207/2550kv Emax LS on the rear with same kind of props. I havn't try to really compare it to normal all same motors though, lazy to swap the rear motors.
I did this coz I want to relieve the rear motor work load. Notice that rear motors are hotter than front motors every flight. However, the quad I build with differ motor results in all 4 motors hotter than I used to. But it has higher ESC output(old quad use 25A and 20A ESC, new differ motors quad use 40A ESC). So I am doubting is the all motors getting hotter is due to the 40A ESC?
At 10:51 how did you get the drone to “backup” to get a better line? That was like some matrix shit lol
Did the turtle mode and dshot actually work after the setup wizard in the video?
yes it works!
FlightClub cool, do you also get the the correct current draw on the osd? I can’t seem to get it working lol
Beastmode!!!
Interesting. I wonder if you can achieve that without flying x frames?
Did you ever do anymore testing on this Hybrid X configuration? What was the final conclusion and configuration? Better, worse, or same as stretch-x? Reason I'm asking is due to HGLRC Arrow 3inch hybrid now. Did you start a trend? 😁
i've been flying nothing but hybrids, I feel like they fly better. Waiting on Vanover to do part 2 of the video. he's taking a little break
I am intrigued by this concept. Are you still running the same motors and props in the front and back or different?
Weird, I was actually testing this today! I've got a set of 5" X, 5" SX, and 6" X and for the Proton and I've been trying them out. Favourite so far is 6" true-X with 5" props. Quad feels super stable and under control. The 5SX /6X hybrid I didn't like very much, felt like... understeer? I was having a hard time getting my nose into the corner. I actually preferred the 5SX/5X hybrid, it's more subtle but it has a nice feel to it, like it's carving a little more.
that's interesting. i'm going to cut some 6" x and some 5.5 or 5" wide x for the neutron for more testing
1:28-1:45 on the BBQ,, how would the quad act with 6" props (you might have to put smaller pitch props) on the 6" arms?
i think it would be worse. 6" props would react much slower. i'll try it this week
Awesome!
Thank you for usefull video n information👏🏻
The syringe is on the barbecue grill next to the spatula at 1:33 (and for a while either side of that mark.
1m 33s amazing flight footage, interesting experiment
After he says that, that's the same pids that him & Min Chin fly! It's inn bottom right like 8:5?
Cool video.
Great giveaway! 8'54" (8:54)
You got it Christian I thought I saw something funny ! no copying answers guyz
You win
1:36 on the bbq, good spot
Is posible to use the 20x20 flightOne components that Vannover uses in his frame on the Neutron?
yes, he has a Neutron with those parts.
this video was epic!
Vanover is like the Sage who likes in a cave, constantly training and in possession of godlike abilities
yup, being 18 helps too :)
@@FlightClubFPV I'm 15 and I'm pretty bad
you need to move to an airport :)
@@FlightClubFPV in my country you need to be 18+ to legally fly a drone over 250g(and the drone needs to have GPS), so I'll just hide my 5" at home, and that's also why in the upcoming long range footage on my channel (in about a week it'll be up) I'm using my 3" quad.
So will 6" x arms fit on the stock 5" neutron frame?
no, right now neutron 6" aren't available but i'm having some cut right now to test then i'll release them
22:55
Why did you use 6" true X for the rear rather than 5" true X?
If I had to guess it would be to get the rear props into cleaner air. When I look at blackbox data on a True X the rear motors are usually working a little harder than the front. The rear motors usually have like 5%-10% more throttle applied. By extending them a little farther to the rear this gets them away from the turbulence of the front props.
yup, I think that's the reason
@@FlightClubFPV I have tried 5" props on 6" frames before and they fly really good. My current favorite quad I own is a custom 6" stretch X frame I built with 5" props. 6" stretch X puts the front and rear motors extra far from each other.
8:54 in the box
8:54 in my righthand corner by the flightclub logo
I've run two of the Minchan Hybrid frames (MCK and XBAir), I keep coming back to a plain old true X or a stretch though. There is a different feel on the roll axis and I also notice I tend to clip the back arms on gates a little more until I get used to it.
yeah it makes sense. it's a bit wider than a SX
When are we getting the part 2
waiting on Vanover! i'll give him a push
Wait, so just the arms are 6”, you don’t use 6” props in back on a hybrid?
nope. all 5" props. for 6" props you would need different motors
Hmmm now I'm curious, I'd like to try this hybrid setup
do it! all the fast pilots are doing it
8:54 in the logo box!
What if you put 6 inch props on the rear on the hybrid
i'm going to try that this week. i think the bigger props will make the quad react slower though
looking for my fix!!
1:36 on the grill in alex's hanger
Its very hard to tell but I think that's it.
no that's not it, I dunno what that is on the grill
Man he’s fast like dam
Thx
You can tell he’s way faster and more comfortable on the 5x5 over the 5x6...
The only reason he was faster the first time was when you challenged him and he went 100% on the track.
yeah it may just need to be something he gets use to
That kid is fast! Hes not on drugs hes just a robot!
yup, a freak
pretty awesome , my question is how are you able to fly within 5 miles of an airport?
not sure. cause it's a private airport?
@@FlightClubFPV yeah maybe checked with a buddy of mine who is an A&P /IA and he said they may not have a flight tower then you can...did not know that either way I wanna have a hanger house
You can call the control tower and get permission. I have done it. When I told them I would be staying under treetop level they didn't care and acted like it was a waste of time even asking them. They don't want idiots flying up high and getting in the path of planes taking off and landing.
8:54 bottom right, maybe I should run flight one!
not gonna lie, flightone has issues but once it's setup, it flies really good
8:55 in the bottom right corner of the screen!
The hybrid config does look interesting but in bf the custom motor mix will maybe cause some efficiency and thrust loss, though it may corner better as the rear props seem to have cleaner air
👍 👍 #Captainvanover2019
Doesn't the gates feel tighter with longer arms ? It might not be relevant for a pro like Alex but for me the gates can't be big enough. 😉
i hear ya. i'll be doing a lot of testing myself in the coming weeks
132 on the girll and 854 in the flight club logo
abaut the hybrid conf. is like alex said that you have may practise and take time to learn how to take the full potential for this kind of hybrid setup but to be real i think just to change de diamitri of the quad it dont be make you faster i think its all abaut thw way you like that the quad respons and feels and how mutch potecial you can take out of your setups
great job onthe Proton/neutron series i love this frames 💪
maybe just for testing
to put ond the rear 6 - 5 - or 5.5 inch real X arms maybe tihs wil be make differences
yes, i'm getting some 6" arms cut for alex to test as well as some 5.5 wide x arms just to see
Looked at the wrong number on the grill a minute 45
I think it's at 9:33... Awesome vids
thanks!
2:39 on the box of the red cart?
no, i dunno what that is. sorry
1:32 grill behind the speedy
8:55 flashes the syringe
Nice frame
Hi Schnurr Fpv
8:55 bottom right hand corner!!!
I like the x or the stretch x on all my frames, I don't like a squashed x. Maybe a hybrid squashed x could help me get the flight feel I want and props out of view.
i've got squashed x arms coming i'll be testing out with sx arms up front. interested to see how it will fly
Should do a blind test.
for someone like me it would be hard to tell but alex would know instantly
Dang!! that boys good
champ for a reason
1'30" on grill's left platform
8:54 bottom right
I want Pro Ton!!
Its just hype... always hype
hmmm, i dunno man. the fastest pilots are now running this setup. hard to argue with results
@@FlightClubFPV i defo need to test it
ALIEN OMG
he's a freak.
Hybrid is good, it works....
quick fox got it. I saw it at 8:54, in the corner. what the fu** was on the grill?
1:36, left side of the grill
I Don't Even Own A 5" Quad!!! The 1st Time I Seen That Syringe Was At 1:29 & Then 2nd At 22:30...