@@adamsd86 Oh yeah I know it's Got Lakes, I mean specifically what all the toggles and settings in it are that he's using, cause my starts and maps are VERY different from his.
In my experience, even without the mod, not that hard to get starts like this by just selecting legendary starts and abundant resources. Might take a couple rerolls to get something quite this busted, but all the starts will be something amazing.
@@ukrainiansareproto-mesopat9235 Yeah, I got a pretty wild start with no mods at all with this guy, I think you're just unlucky. If anyone wants to try it here is the codes. I had to restart once because I got boxed into the desert and I wanted to use what litte space I had more efficiently. On this map rush religion, and explore north first! have fun! Map seed: 536144500 Game seed: 536144501
I genuinely would love to see petra style wonders have a radial effect rather than that. Still a strategic decision involving exactly what cities to impact, but the fun feel of like actually a civilization wide transformation with a relationship to a particular tile.
I recently finished a game with a similar build. Holy sites, with desert folklore and work ethic, plus the sugbas were an amazingly fun combination. I eventually turned that into a culture win since I couldn't be bothered micromanaging a religious or domination game on a large map. Mali are so much fun. You want something, you just buy it with their insane gold, or insane faith.
As another Australian, I agree. Potato puts too much emphasis on the second syllable (lengthening it), rather than having each syllable pretty much equal in duration, so it sounds funny when Potato says Uluru.
You should really rush scubas in classical era if you're in golden age. The discount in buying builders and settlers are insane and is the key for further snowballing with this civ.
It comes so natural to you. The progression of your development is just so much more smoother than my own. Flawless even Granted I only have 1~2 hundred hours and beat my first Deity just a few days ago but it wouldn't hurt for me to get on this level..
I beat Deity for the 1st time a few weeks ago with Sundiata Keita. I restarted many times, then downloaded Better Balanced Start, and restarted a few more times until and had a really cool capital spawn with plenty of desert hills and quite a few sheep and copper tiles. Got Petra in my capital and it was glorious.
Potato releases this video just after I finished my first Sundy game. He's so much fun to play with. Sub 250 game, so not the quickest win ever, but 1600 culture per turn was pretty good.
Love your work Potato! Since you are next to the Maori this series I would love to give you the insight of pronouncing them closer to what they prefer coming from a NZer The easiest way to explain how to pronounce Maori is to say 'mouldy' but replace the 'LD' with a quickly rolled 'R' For plural, still refer as Maori instead of Moarian 😅
I played a game of Desert folklore work ethic Sundiata Keita where I just happened to have the Delicate Arch spawn like 20 tiles away from my capital and when I tell you that I turn that natural wonder into the biggest megalopolis I've ever built in civilization, complete with coliseum, Jebel barkal, and Limitless production once the Wonders that could house great works started popping. Oh my God Sundiata is so much fun to play.
Not sure if it's worth it, but if you put a canal where your dam is, the dam where your aqueduct is and the aqueduct on the mine you can get a +9 industrial zone (+10 if you put a water park on the lake). Also: why not befriend Gilgsmesh when you meet him, was that intentional?
What mod gives you the amenity/pop space thing at your main view? (Horribly worded, I know. I mean the 0-0-0-0-0 numbers you can see from the very start on your... main hud? Not sure of the word?
I played as Sundiata Keita and the desert I spawned next to (actually more like 3 tiles away from) had around 5 tiles total, which I ended up never settling, with only sea access (no fresh water) and nowhere to build an aqueduct. Despite that I think playing on continents with random settings is actually pretty fun.
I've recently been playing with the Shuffle++ map mod, it mashes up multiple map types (island plates, continents, fractal, etc.) and gives them all different sea level, rainfall, world age settings, so you end up with a really interesting map that isn't TOO crazy like the got lakes ones can sometimes be.
When I see the thumbnails I'm always like "okay not ALL the starts can be GOATed" but when I saw the first frame of the video I said "holy shit" out loud
I have a long drive home after work and was thinking about how much fun it would be to play a game with Potato ... but I would get so wrecked! My game play has improved so much thanks to Potato!
One strat that's worked Very well for me in the past with first governors is using Amani to give me the loyalty of City States, then use their soldiers to find More City States, giving me that first envoy and sending Amani there next. Hoping across the map 5 turns a pop giving me the first meet bonus, clearing large sections of the map, finding other players, natural wonders, and if you're really lucky, circumnavigating the globe.
0:09 Yeah, by people who ALSO do it! Don't let the haters bother you, most of us want to be entertained, if we want to see someone slog through a game of Civ we'll play ourselves!
The Sundiata meta is really: 1. Get desert start and rush Desert Folklore pantheon 2. Build holy sites and Suguba in all cities if possible (and just buy your buildings) 3. Build theatre squares / buy as many Great Writings as you have room for 4. If Heroes are enabled, use Maui to seed Desert tiles with resources 5. Voidsingers & Triple relic tourism religion go brrrr 6. Suzerain Nazca and Valetta if available 7. Traders, traders everywhere 8. Be wary of early game invasions before your snowball gets rolling, so friend/ally neighbors if possible (you can always wreck them later)
Is your bug because you're using a special edition scout? Not using the base game scout that is worked on by everybody modding the game, but an already changed one that 'clashes' in the code.
I can attest that Sundiata is a really slow start. I was like maybe 30 science 30 culture will my opponents were nearing 150 at one point in my game, and I had a lucky start that was really isolated. But once the Wonder started being built and the work ethic started snowballing with double holy site adjacency? Ooh it is a sight to behold.
I've got to ask since I've watched enough of these vids to see it's a deliberate thing, what's the benefit of settling cities so close to each other? I've always settle my cities so their borders don't overlap, my logic is they're then no contesting each other for resources which makes my cities super powerful late game. I'm very succesful in Civ VI so I haven't seen the need to change but if someone could highlight the benefits beyond grouping districts together (which seems like a trade of for the loss in tile resources, which to me seems like a waste due to the time and resources it takes to build said districts). Seriously would love some feedback, Potato perhaps you can chime in?
Obviously, it is easy to go for desert folklore, but I would have liked to see you pick the pantheon religious idols (+2 faith on mines over luxury and bonus resources) or lady of the reeds and marshes (+2 production on desert floodplains, oasis and marshes)
Hey Potato, another good one! Just a view: This map mode that you are using at last of your 2 games, is just making the game so unreal. Egypt game was overly rivered everywhere, so far this seems in same way…
I'm not sure if you've used the Got Lakes script enough, but I would still love to see a short video explaining your thoughts or observations of it. There are so many options!
Sometimes rerolls are necessary, sometime several rerolls! The other day I played Peter and had such a hard time getting a viable start I was beginning to think the game disliked Russia as much as Norway. I finally had a start with a lot of food and production. And with all the food in my capital , even excess, St. Petersburg seemed to be starving and stagnating every other turn. Going to play Sundiata next. You make him look fun! Although, I truly miss Songhai in 5.
I watched this video and the Russia one, and decided to hop on Civ 6. I load into a game with random civ, got Mali and was happy, and immediately not when I found out I started on only Tundra and didn't have desert far away. Reloaded the game, got Russia and got a starting place of a desert and no Tundra anywhere nearby. Sometimes I hate this game :D
The Extra Resources are what do it. I have only been playing the past few days... and I start Immortal, with standard resources... the wet & old for more plains hills in better locations. But I also do randomised tech trees with a few other things too. I keep it to Immortal, because even with this on it's impossible if a civ gets a wonder right away. Russia's O.P. Automatic Border expansion & for SOME weird reason Lauturo leading the Mapucho always starting with a wonder & power-housing science and everything at the level of the other 5 civilisations we know combined! Instead of a 1/1000 game being playable and surviveable in the early game it becomes 1/100 at least with Immortal. I think there should simply be a 2 movement scout strength unit in this game, where other civs can get 1 or 2 warriors & then 3-2 of these other scouts. That way they don't search everything first & grab all of the villages, but also they can't literally start declaring war when your first scout leaves your capital.
Hum, I never thought about desert folklore for Mali -because lady of the reeds and marshes is RIGHT THERE- but it makes sense as well, if you're doing a more... focused build. I don't like focusing.
i got one similar good start, a game with Russia, that was one stupidly good start, i spaw on a non tundra tile with honey, but got tundra to the south, i got 4 deer and 3 honey, around my capital, i was really enjoying the god like artemis temple that i was going to build, and then it happen, 4 horses to the north, i got + 11 amenities from artemis temple (one deer tile was outside of range, it was 4 honey if we count the one in my capital) xD as Russia, my capital was 26 population by turn 120 xD then a volcano erupted like 3 times in 15 turns and it went from 26 to 19 population capital at 140 T.T anyway, i won that game at like turn 135, have to keep going for "one more turn" cause i wanted to finish a wonder xD, is normally not that fast but one barb camp in the most southern region of my land turned into la venta so i b lined towards fly and the game went from "u got no turism" to "10 more turns to go" xD
I am a bit confused as to why he did not settle Gao one tile further, by the river, for that fresh water. Was there a reason to settle it off fresh water?
Potato you don't play with the Unique District Icons mod? Makes unique district replacements babe unique icons, I've used it so long it feels fundamental and it was shocking to see the standard commercial hub icon!
I love you man, use to watch alot more but don't you win every game not saying I wish you to lose and so but get where people are coming from with the start! Still gonna start to watch more again!
Started a new map myself today, and while mine isn't QUITE so goat-ed, it is 19 marshes (I got Etememanki!!!) and about 9 forested tundra hills (I am Russia). And I'm on apoc mode, so forest fire here i come!
Funny I started a game today with 6 copper 2 sheep 1 iron and about a total of 12 desert hills and 2 desert in my capital. Easiest pryamid petra rush I have ever done
I'm starting a petition to see what settings Potato has to get a start like this. I need these kinds of starts in my life.
Got lakes mod makes starts like this fairly straightforward to achieve.
@@adamsd86 Oh yeah I know it's Got Lakes, I mean specifically what all the toggles and settings in it are that he's using, cause my starts and maps are VERY different from his.
i doubt these starts are legitimate. prob a created world
In my experience, even without the mod, not that hard to get starts like this by just selecting legendary starts and abundant resources. Might take a couple rerolls to get something quite this busted, but all the starts will be something amazing.
@@ukrainiansareproto-mesopat9235 Yeah, I got a pretty wild start with no mods at all with this guy, I think you're just unlucky.
If anyone wants to try it here is the codes. I had to restart once because I got boxed into the desert and I wanted to use what litte space I had more efficiently. On this map rush religion, and explore north first! have fun!
Map seed: 536144500
Game seed: 536144501
Not sending the friendship petition to Gilgabro immediately hurted me.
Of all the games, this is the game to have the “Petra effects all cities” mod
I genuinely would love to see petra style wonders have a radial effect rather than that. Still a strategic decision involving exactly what cities to impact, but the fun feel of like actually a civilization wide transformation with a relationship to a particular tile.
Radial effect meaning "cities within this range get [yields to specific tile]" here
@@jrotko7437 well, now that they named deserts and other formations, I think it would be cool if all the tiles of that desert were given that bonus
Petra affect all city is super broken.
But if it's 1 food 1 gold on city that didn't build it, it looks fine to me tbh
maybe 2 golds
@@jrotko7437 That would make the wonder overpowered.
I can't believe you didn't befriend Gilgamesh immediately.
Yeah, exactly my thought. Especially since I learned this trick from Potatoes old streams.
7:58 "I'm going to hold off on spending my gold to buy a tile." WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE REAL POTATO MCWHISKEY?!?"
I recently finished a game with a similar build. Holy sites, with desert folklore and work ethic, plus the sugbas were an amazingly fun combination.
I eventually turned that into a culture win since I couldn't be bothered micromanaging a religious or domination game on a large map. Mali are so much fun. You want something, you just buy it with their insane gold, or insane faith.
Imagine getting this start as Ptolemaic Cleo and grabbing reeds and marshes pantheon!
Or nubia and building piramids everywhere
goated with the sauce
As an Australian hearing you pronounce Uluru was very entertaining
As another Australian, I agree. Potato puts too much emphasis on the second syllable (lengthening it), rather than having each syllable pretty much equal in duration, so it sounds funny when Potato says Uluru.
Yeah, as an Australian, the spelling isn't the best as the second U is said as a E making a 'er' sound
As a New Zealander hearing him pronounce Māori was painful to the extreme
Ooh-lah-roo, I was listening do this while doing dishes and that threw me for a hot sec 😂
You should really rush scubas in classical era if you're in golden age.
The discount in buying builders and settlers are insane and is the key for further snowballing with this civ.
It comes so natural to you. The progression of your development is just so much more smoother than my own. Flawless even
Granted I only have 1~2 hundred hours and beat my first Deity just a few days ago but it wouldn't hurt for me to get on this level..
Man, that desert has a lot of rivers. You know, just like how real deserts have rivers everywhere.
Potato going full Atreides, cultivating desert power. Praise the Maker and his water.
I beat Deity for the 1st time a few weeks ago with Sundiata Keita. I restarted many times, then downloaded Better Balanced Start, and restarted a few more times until and had a really cool capital spawn with plenty of desert hills and quite a few sheep and copper tiles.
Got Petra in my capital and it was glorious.
Holy f these dessert flood tiles will be godly with Etemenanky, great bath and lady of the marshes pantheon.
Potato releases this video just after I finished my first Sundy game. He's so much fun to play with. Sub 250 game, so not the quickest win ever, but 1600 culture per turn was pretty good.
Love your work Potato! Since you are next to the Maori this series I would love to give you the insight of pronouncing them closer to what they prefer coming from a NZer
The easiest way to explain how to pronounce Maori is to say 'mouldy' but replace the 'LD' with a quickly rolled 'R'
For plural, still refer as Maori instead of Moarian 😅
I played a game of Desert folklore work ethic Sundiata Keita where I just happened to have the Delicate Arch spawn like 20 tiles away from my capital and when I tell you that I turn that natural wonder into the biggest megalopolis I've ever built in civilization, complete with coliseum, Jebel barkal, and Limitless production once the Wonders that could house great works started popping. Oh my God Sundiata is so much fun to play.
Brooo, no immediate friend of Gilgabro 🥺
Not sure if it's worth it, but if you put a canal where your dam is, the dam where your aqueduct is and the aqueduct on the mine you can get a +9 industrial zone (+10 if you put a water park on the lake).
Also: why not befriend Gilgsmesh when you meet him, was that intentional?
He did say he's on holiday, so I think this series is all pre-recorded.
I don't normally comment but hooooooli, that is such a ridiculously over powered start location, I laughed for a Good 2 mins looking at it 😂
Confirmed this is an amazing desert start! Pumped to get caught up on your series you’ve been pumping out with all the new leaders
What mod gives you the amenity/pop space thing at your main view? (Horribly worded, I know. I mean the 0-0-0-0-0 numbers you can see from the very start on your... main hud? Not sure of the word?
"Ooh, oo-loo-roo."
As an Australian, that hurts...
...Oo-luh-roo?
I played as Sundiata Keita and the desert I spawned next to (actually more like 3 tiles away from) had around 5 tiles total, which I ended up never settling, with only sea access (no fresh water) and nowhere to build an aqueduct. Despite that I think playing on continents with random settings is actually pretty fun.
I've recently been playing with the Shuffle++ map mod, it mashes up multiple map types (island plates, continents, fractal, etc.) and gives them all different sea level, rainfall, world age settings, so you end up with a really interesting map that isn't TOO crazy like the got lakes ones can sometimes be.
When I see the thumbnails I'm always like "okay not ALL the starts can be GOATed" but when I saw the first frame of the video I said "holy shit" out loud
this might be the most incredible natural potato start ive seen while also looking fairly normal
I think Keita is my favorite leader, I feel so rewarded by getting a work of writing or a wonder that can hold them, the bonus just keeps staking up.
This is the most overpowered start I have ever seen.
I have a long drive home after work and was thinking about how much fun it would be to play a game with Potato ... but I would get so wrecked! My game play has improved so much thanks to Potato!
One strat that's worked Very well for me in the past with first governors is using Amani to give me the loyalty of City States, then use their soldiers to find More City States, giving me that first envoy and sending Amani there next. Hoping across the map 5 turns a pop giving me the first meet bonus, clearing large sections of the map, finding other players, natural wonders, and if you're really lucky, circumnavigating the globe.
I'm a simple man. I see a spud video I like it. 👍
This start would be perfect for a one city Ethiopia challenge. Jesus Christ this broken
0:09 Yeah, by people who ALSO do it! Don't let the haters bother you, most of us want to be entertained, if we want to see someone slog through a game of Civ we'll play ourselves!
now this is what I hope to get when I select "LEGENDARY START"
If there was more tiles to the North of the Capital, I would-of been very tempted by a 3 Preserve Ha Long Bay!
The Sundiata meta is really:
1. Get desert start and rush Desert Folklore pantheon
2. Build holy sites and Suguba in all cities if possible (and just buy your buildings)
3. Build theatre squares / buy as many Great Writings as you have room for
4. If Heroes are enabled, use Maui to seed Desert tiles with resources
5. Voidsingers & Triple relic tourism religion go brrrr
6. Suzerain Nazca and Valetta if available
7. Traders, traders everywhere
8. Be wary of early game invasions before your snowball gets rolling, so friend/ally neighbors if possible (you can always wreck them later)
Is your bug because you're using a special edition scout? Not using the base game scout that is worked on by everybody modding the game, but an already changed one that 'clashes' in the code.
I can attest that Sundiata is a really slow start. I was like maybe 30 science 30 culture will my opponents were nearing 150 at one point in my game, and I had a lucky start that was really isolated. But once the Wonder started being built and the work ethic started snowballing with double holy site adjacency? Ooh it is a sight to behold.
I've got to ask since I've watched enough of these vids to see it's a deliberate thing, what's the benefit of settling cities so close to each other?
I've always settle my cities so their borders don't overlap, my logic is they're then no contesting each other for resources which makes my cities super powerful late game.
I'm very succesful in Civ VI so I haven't seen the need to change but if someone could highlight the benefits beyond grouping districts together (which seems like a trade of for the loss in tile resources, which to me seems like a waste due to the time and resources it takes to build said districts).
Seriously would love some feedback, Potato perhaps you can chime in?
I saw the screenshot on twitter and I have been waiting for this to come up!
Obviously, it is easy to go for desert folklore, but I would have liked to see you pick the pantheon religious idols (+2 faith on mines over luxury and bonus resources) or lady of the reeds and marshes (+2 production on desert floodplains, oasis and marshes)
Hey Potato, another good one! Just a view: This map mode that you are using at last of your 2 games, is just making the game so unreal. Egypt game was overly rivered everywhere, so far this seems in same way…
well the whole point of the egypt map he used was to have rivers everywhere
A desert riddled with rivers. What a bizarre map. Looks very fun to play. ^^
This would also be a great start for Ptolomeic Cleopatra considering her bonuses to resources on floodplains.
Omg, a preserve next to the Hau Long Bay and the Oasis would be epic.
I'm not sure if you've used the Got Lakes script enough, but I would still love to see a short video explaining your thoughts or observations of it. There are so many options!
Sometimes rerolls are necessary, sometime several rerolls! The other day I played Peter and had such a hard time getting a viable start I was beginning to think the game disliked Russia as much as Norway. I finally had a start with a lot of food and production. And with all the food in my capital , even excess, St. Petersburg seemed to be starving and stagnating every other turn. Going to play Sundiata next. You make him look fun! Although, I truly miss Songhai in 5.
do you post the seed or save anywhere? id love to play this game
This is like the third game ive seen in which Potato forgets how the Maori work lmao
IMAGINE this start with Ptolemaic Cleopatra and Lady of Reeds. That would be a wet dream.
"On Arrakis, we need to cultivate desert power.
I watched this video and the Russia one, and decided to hop on Civ 6. I load into a game with random civ, got Mali and was happy, and immediately not when I found out I started on only Tundra and didn't have desert far away. Reloaded the game, got Russia and got a starting place of a desert and no Tundra anywhere nearby. Sometimes I hate this game :D
I cannot WAIT to see the Petra in this series
Have a good trip man.
Is potato not pre placing his districts now?
What a game for a second Cleo game
Bro went into the map creator for this one ain't NO WAY
ayyo 15 min potato vid
Wait, you can gold-buy a prophet? Whoa, that's quite spiritual.
Enjoy your holiday, Potato :)
I choked on my pasta when you pronounced "ulOOru" istg
All those bonus resources, imagine the great Zimbabwe gold
They call it Songs of the Jeli, cuz once they see this start location they get Jeli
The Extra Resources are what do it. I have only been playing the past few days... and I start Immortal, with standard resources... the wet & old for more plains hills in better locations. But I also do randomised tech trees with a few other things too.
I keep it to Immortal, because even with this on it's impossible if a civ gets a wonder right away. Russia's O.P. Automatic Border expansion & for SOME weird reason Lauturo leading the Mapucho always starting with a wonder & power-housing science and everything at the level of the other 5 civilisations we know combined! Instead of a 1/1000 game being playable and surviveable in the early game it becomes 1/100 at least with Immortal. I think there should simply be a 2 movement scout strength unit in this game, where other civs can get 1 or 2 warriors & then 3-2 of these other scouts. That way they don't search everything first & grab all of the villages, but also they can't literally start declaring war when your first scout leaves your capital.
I’ve literally never seen a dessert even close to this big in game as mansa musa.
his entire intro sounds like a satire script
Loving the no game modes
i just started a Mali game and got a coastal start with no desert and some tundra in an arid / hot map :) cool
Damn That is a good start for mali..except no luxury
Hum, I never thought about desert folklore for Mali
-because lady of the reeds and marshes is RIGHT THERE-
but it makes sense as well, if you're doing a more... focused build.
I don't like focusing.
i got one similar good start, a game with Russia, that was one stupidly good start, i spaw on a non tundra tile with honey, but got tundra to the south, i got 4 deer and 3 honey, around my capital, i was really enjoying the god like artemis temple that i was going to build, and then it happen, 4 horses to the north, i got + 11 amenities from artemis temple (one deer tile was outside of range, it was 4 honey if we count the one in my capital) xD as Russia, my capital was 26 population by turn 120 xD then a volcano erupted like 3 times in 15 turns and it went from 26 to 19 population capital at 140 T.T anyway, i won that game at like turn 135, have to keep going for "one more turn" cause i wanted to finish a wonder xD, is normally not that fast but one barb camp in the most southern region of my land turned into la venta so i b lined towards fly and the game went from "u got no turism" to "10 more turns to go" xD
Even if I set climate to warm, I never have so much Desert xD
That pronunciation of Uluru just killed me inside. Ooof.
"No luxury resources in my capital, unfortunately."
...he says as his capital is surrounded in bonus resources.
Dear Mr. Potato, please start publishing your map seed info!
I wish I had a city 6 tiles away from this barb camp ....( barb camp literally 5 tiles to the south eastm hehe).
I am a bit confused as to why he did not settle Gao one tile further, by the river, for that fresh water. Was there a reason to settle it off fresh water?
Potato you don't play with the Unique District Icons mod? Makes unique district replacements babe unique icons, I've used it so long it feels fundamental and it was shocking to see the standard commercial hub icon!
I love you man, use to watch alot more but don't you win every game not saying I wish you to lose and so but get where people are coming from with the start! Still gonna start to watch more again!
What a desert has so many rivers flowing through everywhere???
just used him...and won a science victory
that pronunciation of uluru has destroyed my soul
Hey Potato, Uluru is pronounced oo-luh-roo. Not a big deal but as an Australian I thought I’d mention it. Good video
Started a new map myself today, and while mine isn't QUITE so goat-ed, it is 19 marshes (I got Etememanki!!!) and about 9 forested tundra hills (I am Russia). And I'm on apoc mode, so forest fire here i come!
Have a good holiday, we'll try not to burn the place down while you're gone
Are the pins that you place showing like holy site or city center adjacency a mod or in the base game?
It's a mod called detailed map tacks - it's amazing. There are a few essential (imo) UI mods - Potato has a video detailing the mods he uses.
Thanks for content 🥔
PETRA PETRA PETRA
Goated
I like the shorter eps!
I had a game as New Mali and also got a god start.
Can we get the turn 1 save file potatoe? Or the seed
Think we all need to get a go at this start
How good is Lay Ministry for a culture victory ?
not through the video yet. just got to the point where you found the aztecs. have fun with kupe and the the aztecs. inc babylon soon im sure.
Is it futile to pursue the map seed?
Will you post the save file on your discord?
Wish I could get these kinds of map mods on console. Even my perfect starts suffer because of map issues D:
Funny I started a game today with 6 copper 2 sheep 1 iron and about a total of 12 desert hills and 2 desert in my capital. Easiest pryamid petra rush I have ever done