Excellent idea and very nicely put across. And so true. I can remember seeing the Lamb performed in its entirety in April 1975 at Wembley and having absolutely no clue whatsoever what was going on as I hadn't heard the album. On a personal level, the whole show was saved by the encores of Watcher of the Skies & The Musical Box, if memory serves. The irony being that the Lamb subsequently became my second-favourite Genesis album. I am pretty sure that the final European shows were also cancelled because of poor ticket sales too, btw. And in seven weeks time (I apologise for mentioning it again), I shall be entertained by a certain Mr. Wakeman performing the whole of 'Journey' live at this year's Cropredy!! That'll be a lot of fun, I think.
@@martinstarnes2237 thanks as always for your honesty. And that’s a key part of this video. I can’t imagine seeing the lamb live before it came out. Thanks for your honesty and saying it was saved by the encores. Overtime it became a favorite and one of mine as well. But the guts and the audacity of these great artists to present the complete Works live before an audience that never heard it. Absolutely amazing. Now nobody will play even a deep cut that we know lol you also taught me so much about Cropredy. I had no idea what a wide variety of music is there. Rick Wakeman is going to be amazing. enjoy.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow I agree entirely. Perhaps living under the shadow of the bomb, and we did in the '70s (and maybe are again today, at least over here. Trump's sacrificial island?), somehow meant people, including rock bands, took more chances with the time they thought they had. I don't think we were that convinced we'd all live to old age. Or maybe that's all bullshit! Lol! Wakeman is a lovely guy, as you have found out for yourself. Last saw him a couple of years ago doing a solo piano/stand-up comedy show in front of 200 people in a little town a few miles from where I live (songs included Strawberry Fields/While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Morning Has Broken, And You And I, Jane Seymore, Merlin, and Life on Mars, among others!!). And he's played Cropredy before. This year he has Matt Pegg, Dave's son, on bass (time moves on - Matt Pegg is in his mid-50s now!). Apparently the Genesis gig I attended in 1975 was recorded in full but only snippets have ever been released for some reason - you probably know more than me about this.
@@martinstarnes2237 The official Genesis Lamb Lies Down On Broadway live release is in the Genesis Archive 1967-1975 boxset - recorded 1/24/75 from the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles - but parts and even I believe complete songs were re-recorded if I remember correctly.
Cool "concept" for a video! I loved seeing the Circus magazines. I had a subscription (still have many). All the albums you showed are in my collection and played frequently. Wonderful presentation. 😊
Boy you it the nail on the head, I got to see the Passion Play & didn't know what to expect but went & brought the album after the Show. Still one of my top 10 concerts. Btw one of the 10 Queen songs probably won't be "The Great King Rat". 🎶🎶🎶✌️
Thanks so much - lucky you to be at that show - I was only 10 years old. I have to live vicariously through the albums, bootlegs and videos. I can only imagine.
I have Thick As A Brick box and it's fantastic. Passion Play is an album I respect more than I like. It makes for an uncomfortable listen for me. Love that you have those Circus and Creem msgs. I read those religiously in the mid 70's. Alice Cooper's "Nightmare" is my favorite record of his. I watched the ABC-TV special at the time It was fun. Wondering why Alan Parsons Project didn't get any love from you. Their first three releases all work for me as quality concept pieces. As aLways a pleasure to see your selections. You and I would have some great discussions about music..
Thanks as always. I'm a big fan of Alan Parsons, but I don't remember Alan Parsons touring those albums as a conceptual concert. Perhaps I'm wrong. That was the concept of the video - these albums were performed live in their entirety as it's own show. Those Parson's albums are great though.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow Parsons and Wolfson Did present "Tales Of Mystery And Imagination" once, at Royal Albert Hall. I'm not 100% on that , but I believe it's true.
Solid video - thank you! The Kinks RCA period is A miss for me - and I'm a HUGE Kinks guy! Muswell Hillbillies being the exception- that's a go to album. One of my fave Kinks albums. Same with Tull - it seems like instead of trying out concept album after concept album Ian Anderson changed the whole idea of Tull as a band. I LOVE their Heavy Horses permutation and saw all these shows at the time. I don't blame inflation as much as the sheer greed of corps like Ticketmaster and such. My first Springsteen show in 78 was 8$. I've NEVER spent a better 8$ and I probably talked a girl into springing for tickets anyway. Rock on!🤘😎🤘
Thanks - I agree Muswell Hillbillies is by far the Kinks best RCA album - great album. And yes, my point was that inflation is not the cause at all of the current pricing. If it was inflation, we would be paying between $45 to $65 dollars in todays world. Springsteen in 1978 for $8 is a fantastic example - and a 2 1/2 + hour show.
Nice episode... gotta correct you on the Genesis section (i'm a long time obseessed fan)... the Circus magazine cover is not Rael, that is Peter's "Watcher" costume. They did Watcher as an encore on many of the Lamb shows. Also the last show was cancelled in France... not in the States where they were becoming a much more well known band at this point and they were able to play larger halls during the lamb tour.
Thanks for the correction - he's wearing the leather jacket, with the makeup of Rael, but didn't realize that was the encore - interesting. I knew the last show was cancelled due to poor sales, but wasn't sure where. Interesting in that it was in France. I know it was a disappointing way to end the tour for them as that was supposed to be Peter's finale. Thanks again for your corrections.
Wait a minute.....you ought to know about the Queen catalog selling.....you bought it!!😂 I saw the Thick As A Brick, Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, and School Boys In Disgrace tours. All were great shows. Those school boy outfits were too much😂🤣 Those were the days my friend. Unfortunately, they ended. Yes, I'm channeling Mary Hopkins😂
God - damn - I'm responsible for Queen getting over a billion dollars for their average at best catalog....kill me. please. Damn you actually saw those shows - wow. You need a TV show David. I can't imagine - well I can - from all my reading, listening and watching, but will never equal actually being there. You never fail to impress. And you still keep going to shows. Amazing.
Great idea Alan. Our generation were spoilt. So many bands pushing the envelope. I saw The Tubes at Knebworth and they had a pretty impressive stage show. Missed Spinal Tap doing Stonehenge live sadly.
I actually thought of The Tubes, back in their heyday. Had a wild show, giant toothpaste, pills and a lot more. I saw them later on, without all the props and were just ok. Thanks.
how could you leave out the Bay City Rollers and their magnus opus “The Life & Times of One Alan Rosenberg”? I think they did 56 sold out shows at the Dew Drop Inn on Nantucket Island of that one.
I saw Yes several yrs ago.Bruford on drums and Tony Kaye on the keyboards.The critics said they didn't even have the original band.I'm thinking somebody needs to do their homework.Peter Banks was the only one missing from the original band
I can believe it. So many "critics", youtubers were born in the late 90's early 2000's. I speak to people who were born after The Stones Voodoo Lounge, and to me that's a fairly new record..lol. Where does the time go.
I love how The Alan Rosenberg Show presents atypical music topics, as is evidenced by this very interesting and insightful video. What was it about rock concert audiences in the 1970s (and the late 1960s) that made them so different from those of today (and recent decades)? Unlike today’s audiences, they were not only open to hearing new music at concerts, but they genuinely were excited about listening to songs they never before heard by the bands they were into. They looked forward to the possibilities of discovering great new treats for their ears. I know because I was part of some of those audiences. The first rock concert I ever saw was Yes performing the entire “Tales from Topographic Oceans” LP. As the album had not yet been released at the time of the concert, it was a first-time listening experience for all the audience members in the sold-out arena. During the roughly two and a half hours it took to play the entire double album at New York’s Nassau Coliseum, I, like my fellow audience members, was mesmerized. I remember seeing no one near me leave their seats during the performance, seemingly not to miss hearing any new music. Bathroom and alcohol needs apparently were taken care of prior to the start of the concert. - at least as far as I could tell. As “Tales…” is a complex and totally noncommercial album, the concert was a testament to the love of, excitement about and loyalty to Yes by the band’s fans. I also saw Led Zeppelin perform most of the songs on “Physical Graffiti” a couple of weeks before the double album dropped. My fellow audience members at the Madison Square Garden show were ecstatic about hearing never-before-heard songs by the band. At both the Yes and Zeppelin concerts, just a few fan favorites were included at the end of the respective shows, as the double albums were long. Nobody was disappointed that new songs took spots that could have been filled by plenty of well-known numbers. That was obvious by the enthusiastic after-concert discussions in which opinions about new songs were eagerly shared. Maybe the difference between those audiences and today’s concertgoers is that in the ‘70s (and late ‘60s) listening to music was frequently communal, and talking about music was a big part of socializing with friends. In today’s world, the norm for listening to music is for people to pop in ear buds while going about their personal business. As you pointed out, Alan, music nowadays often is relegated to the background. And today’s concertgoers are preoccupied with filming the entire if not most of the show on their cell phones. They are not in the moment, but rather focused on letting social media followers know they’re part of something cool. They want to film performances of a band’s classic, played-to-death songs because those songs get the best responses and, in turn, heighten the coolness factor. At the risk of over generalizing, the thoughts I have stated stem from my personal concert experiences. While I appreciate the use of cell phones as a way of documenting “part of” a happening, I think that their overuse at concerts is annoying - and detrimental to what a concert experience should be. Maybe I’m just too old school, but to me nothing compares to tens of thousands of cigarette lighters (not cell phones) being held up at the end of a concert.
Die hard music fans like us have been dealing with this situation for decades already - time goes fast, and it hasn't improved at all. Seems to me that it pretty much just effects "legacy artists" - our favorite rock artists. New artists - pop artists, country artists, rap artists - they don't seem to have this issue because "pop - hits" radio plays their new music, it becomes a hit and the fans want to hear the new music. Very much like rock artists that we love, had in the 60's, 70's and 80's. MTV back then would play the new songs / videos by the bands we love. Rock radio back then would play the new music too. There was exposure, so the rock fans would buy the new music, the bands would tour it etc. Now a rock legacy artist releases new music in a vacuum - it gets no play, the casual fan (which is the majority) has no interest in hearing the new music and the artist doesn't play much of it live because the ticket prices are a fortune and the majority of the concert goers don't want to hear it. It's a recurring cycle and hasn't changed. So you get the relatively few fans like us who buy the new material, we play it in this general vacuum and we're lucky to hear a few new songs live. It's sad. I don't understand how anyone can listen to radio. But it is what it is and we need someone smarter than me to change it. Or perhaps if radio got a bit more adventurous and played new rock music that would make all the difference.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShowEverything you wrote is absolutely true. Unlike what pop, country and rap radio stations do for artists in their respective genres, rock radio stations almost never play new songs released by “legacy” bands. So, casual fans won’t hear new tunes because they typically do not buy new albums “cold,” if you will. As unheard songs obviously cannot be popular, bands home in on fan favorite set lists to justify the exorbitant concert ticket prices being charged. In a nutshell: Give the (majority of) people what they want. My original comment to your video, however, was targeting the difference between today’s rock concert audiences and those of the 1970s (and late 1960s) with regard to hearing a song for the first time at the concert - because the album containing the song has not yet been released and advance copies of it have not yet been given to radio stations. Hence, there’s been no exposure until the song is performed at the concert. To that point, my personal experience back in the day is that so many concertgoers were excited to hear songs to which they had not been previously exposed. Their collective attitude may be summed up by something along the lines of, “We feel grateful to have a band we love give us the opportunity to make a new music discovery.” It was a different mindset. I guess it was a reflection of the times. An outgrowth of a love for music as a front-and-center force that was influential in shaping lives. In today’s world, there seems to be an emphasis on hearing what’s popular so one can film what’s popular so one can post it on social media to increase one’s own popularity.
@@ronalaurence4105 so well said and so very true. Absolutely. Another example is Billy Joel. Not including the one new song he recently released, he's spent 30 years playing the same songs over and over again - the ones you constantly hear on the radio. He's actually bigger now than he ever was back then. And when he plays live, he says "I have good news for you...I won't be playing any new songs". And everyone cheers - a funny comment on the legacy rock world. Give the people what they want indeed. And as you said, so different from what the concert going fans used to want.
Another cool video ... good topic ... one to potentially consider is Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds which is just such a great album ... been re-recorded / updated over the years... and still touring / selling out arenas ... it will be in Aberdeen next year ... still a must see event ... epic story ... epic tunes .... still can't beat the majestic original release with Richard Burton's superb story telling voice ... CMcG, Aberdeen, Scotland
This was a great idea and very enjoyable. Except for Alice Cooper and Wakeman solo I've seen all those bands live but unfortunately not on the concept album tours. BTW Gerald Scarfe is married to Jane Asher.
Hey man loved the video. Just wanted to say one thing When you said that “ 90% of queen fans only know 10 songs”. That’s not true. Those people who only know 10 queen songs are not “Queen fans”. They are just CASUAL listeners. If they claim that they are Queen fans , then they are just posers I know A LOT people who have listened to all Queen studio albums and absolutely love them. They are the real fans. True Queen fans also know all 4 members of the band. Poser queen fans only know who Freddie Mercury is.
I hear you and you're right. I should have specified more. 90% of "Queen fans" that I've met throughout my life, especially since the movie and broadway show etc which has raised Queen's profile here in the US in a huge way over the last decades is who I was talking about. Of course in the world there are die-hard Queen fans - especially overseas where Queen were truly a mega band. But here in the US, I'll stick with 90% are casual fans at best. Thanks for your comments. Best, Alan
Love Keith as well, but he can be a smart ass. Keith has a million of these wise cracks for different bands. Always like the question he asked a reporter. What does a dead head fan say when he hears the Grateful Dead sober? This band sucks. I never got into Tull myself. Or a lot of stuff like Yes, ELP, Rush, Alan Parsons, King Crimson, Gentle Hiant, Styx, Strawbs, Uriah Heap, etc. just didn’t have any groove to me. That’s what great about music - to each their own Gimmie my stones, faces, little feat, sly stone, funkadelic, black crowes. I gotta be able to get up and dance @@TheAlanRosenbergShow
The one that comes to my mind is Utopia doing "Singring and the Glass Guitar" and Todd would climb the pyramid and belt out guitar riffs at the top. Total theatrics with a concept album.
Interesting. I know Utopia could be theatrical, with the cool guitars and RA staging. Didn't realize they played a whole conceptual album through. I am more of a Rundgren solo artist (though not all of his albums) than a Utopia fan.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow Understood. Yes the RA album wasn't a commercial success like most of Utopia and Todd albums but Bearsville backed the group with a lot of props for this tour. Todd made a lot of wonderful but not that commercially viable music.
@@roberthale2268 I love some Utopia, but some of it didn't really appeal to me. Was an interesting time when Rundgren would flip back and forth releasing albums back and forth - some I liked...some not so much though...
Very interesting Video Alan. As for Queen and value. Well, first I think their music IS worth more for advertisers and who ever owns their music because it has a more universal impact. Catchier, perhaps a bit less bound by time, easy to insert into adds and movies and had a potencial future use in more musicals and Broadway type shows? Also, the money is spread on 3 people and an estate and if John Deacon is still responsible for the bands economics? He is a recluse but a shrewd one if memory serves me well 😄 Seen some insane prices here as well, but Keane last month wasn’t too bad (400 NOK = 37 US$).
What you said is true - but again Queen''s popularity and value is still largely based around a handful of huge songs that are constantly played on radio, sports events, tv etc. Those songs have become amongst the most streamed songs. Their profile as the biggest and best band in the world, is based on a relatively small sample of songs - as compared to The Beatles, Stones, Who, Zeppelin, Dylan etc. It's an incredible thing, but we live in a streaming world.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow I’m watching Rick Beato defending his assumption, which is correct, that interest and therefore music, is declining. And he shows us that, google search on the topic Music has declined by 75% since 2000. So, you know, I agree with everything you say. Its no longer volume, quality or previous cultural impact, its clickbait and soundbites. Luckily rap music is declining faster than anything else including polka, so hey… silver lining.
So here's another fun idea for a show and this is just a fun suggestion by the ways 60s and 70s concept albums movies good bad and ugly so just for fun an good example would be Ken Russell's 1975 adaptation of the who's Tommy and bad can be the 1978 disaster Sgt pepper's lonely heart's club band with Peter Frampton and the Bee Gees would love your take on this topic
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow it'll be fun you just have a fun take on music and I find no matter what show you do it has a fun sense of humor and that's definitely what this community needs is less serious and more fun after all it's only music and we're just here to have a fun discussion and encourage conversation
Hey Alan. I really dug this video. Concept albums are works of art no doubt. After doing some research, I never realized that the earliest "concept" ideas date back to the 1940s. I was wondering what your thoughts are on modern concept albums? For example, Primus did a Willy Wonka one and Tool's Lataralus is considered a concept album. Strangely enough, even Taylor Swift is now being written up as concept work nowadays. Thoughts? Great video. Cheers, Darryl.
@@northernvinylguy hi Darryl. Thanks so much. Great question and response. You’re so right in that concept albums haven’t gone away. I applaud the newer acts to stretch themselves and that. Unfortunately for me. I guess I’m largely living in the past. So I know relatively few of the modern ones. Even Green Day American Idiot and even that’s decades old. Time sure flies. I think Frank Sinatra Songs for Swinging lovers was amongst the first. Best Alan.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow Hey Alan, I do like the American Idiot song, but I've never heard the entire album. Maybe I'll stream it first to see what I think. We should both ch3ck it out... lol... Cheers, Darryl.
Regarding ticket prices, my very first concert was Aerosmith and that was $7.50. Fun fact: There were two openers, and the one of them was Buffalo band, Talas, that featured Billy Sheehan on bass guitar. OH! Just out of curiosity, Alan, did Rick Wakeman have anything interesting to say to you when he signed your posters? Or anything to say at all? Was he surprised you had them?
Interesting indeed Alan...and I too miss those times very much. I did not personally see any of the shows you highlighted, as I really didn't start going to concerts until the early 80s, but it was a very different time. While watching it though, I couldn't help but constantly think of what was going on with punk music at that time, and how it really throttled the industry. Honestly, the theatrical thing got a little too much for me, personally...and though I was not necessarily some big punk music fan back then, looking back, something needed to wipe the slate clean, if you know what I mean. Some of the concepts were not just huge, but outrageous! I mean, it makes the pop up phallus the Stones did in '75 look pretty quaint, no? (Btw, didn't Miley Cyrus use that same phallus in her shows not too far back???) Some of the 'stories' got to be a little tiresome to me, too, and a little too much like an albatross. At some point, I would begin to think, shut up and play your guitar,--thank you, FZ. I mean inevitably, it did get self-indulgent. In fact, Frank himself kind of lampooned the whole concept album/tour thing with his overly obscene Joe's Garage... But are we getting some of that same thing now in some of these overly theatric shows done by, say, Taylor Swift or Katy Perry? My wife put on a couple of their DVDs, and some of this stuff kills me--I'm seeing these massive set pieces with one of those dingbats floating over it on an elevated swing-set, strumming their acoustic guitar...or floating in water while a group of Vegas style dancers gyrate through a heavily choreographed routine on some LED platform....or opining in a mock tree house with chirping birds nearby...or emoting on an immaculate white grand piano--covered in moss???? I mean, forget about $100s of dollars, some of these people are paying well into the thousands for such shows. But then, rock music sure ain't doing that anymore.
@@anthonyaswe4174 funny. As soon as you mentioned Frank Zappa I thought of his theatrical pieces like joes garage. The biggest issue I have with today’s modern music and technology is live shows not really being live. And almost everyone is doing that. Even the rock bands playing to tracks and vocals. It’s a disgrace. It’s just so accepted. It’s on the freaking Grammys and Billboard awards. How can a music show have live performances that aren’t really live. I’ll take no choreography over live music. If you can’t sing and dance then don’t dance. Go to ballet then. It’s a fake and a sham. Gets me angry. For me depending on my mood I’ll love punk and big progressive concept pieces. It can be all great music. Thanks as always
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow Yes, and doesn't it seem MOST obvious on things like the Grammy's with the elaborate stage pieces and choreographed background dancers?--often times, you don't even see a band with the singers--and some people think they are tucked away in the orchestra "pit". Perhaps the big difference between the elaborate stage pieces done by Katy Perry and Taylor Swift versus the full blown theater productions cited in your review, is that in the latter, it was all part of one big story--as I recall The Wall shows would begin with all of the musicians and actors literally behind a massive white brick wall--that would slowly deconstruct during the show--and in the former, the staging is part of a specific song, and no more. Other songs would have other stages, set pieces. I mean, there's no way to really compare the two, as what was going on in the 70s was an off shoot of the concept album and 'rock opera', if you will. These newer singers are not doing that--strumming away in the tree house with the chirping birds--🤮🤮🤮. The one that really got me was the immaculate white grand piano, dredged in thick moss????
@@anthonyaswe4174 for me it’s about the music. And music to me by definition must be real. A live concert must be live. Real singing and playing. Everyone uses effects on it. I get that. Add echo etc that’s fine but you must be singing and playing. And if it’s a music awards show it’s heresy to allow otherwise. But that’s the world we live in. Will get worse with AI technology
Quadrophenia is my favorite Who album, but they never played the album in the 70's. On that tour they played select songs, with some effects tapes in between. It was decades later that they did the Quadrophenia tours (which I loved). So that's why I didn't include it. I could've mentioned Tommy as they did play that in its entirety at the time. Probably should've mentioned Tommy I guess.
At some point, they tried but over the decades, I've no idea. haven't heard anything. Of course they've worked together over the last decades with live albums using the classic Klein era tracks and compilations like 40 Licks that combine both periods. One of the sad legacies of rock music that The Stones don't own their pre-1971 songs.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow Sticky Fingers (my fave Stones album) has two Klein owned masters, Sugar and Horses. It's practically it's own greatest hits album! Talking Sticky Fingers cds, the 1994 Virgin pressing sounds best to my ears, 2009 is too harsh IMO. Even the original Columbia pressing sounds pretty good. Four SF cds in my collection, Columbia, zipper Virgin, regular Virgin for the cd player, and the 2009.
@@jasonpp1973 Sticky Fingers is my favorite album of all time. I have at least 6 versions lol. I agree the best versions of the Rolling Stones records albums, including Sticky Fingers are definitely the Virgin releases. I also have those special editions where they reproduced the covers (with the Zipper no less). But yea, those are amazing.
@@jasonpp1973 Personally I hope not. I love the remastered versions in that you can hear things clearer, with a better sharpness oftentimes. But the whole "fad" of remixing (for example the Beatles and Beatles solo albums like Lennon's), I hope doesn't carry over to the Stones. Remix are completely creating a new album, and I love the Stones albums as they were originally mixed designed. I remember Jagger wanted to remix Exile. Thank God that hasn't happened. The last thing I want is a remix with his singing up in the mix and clear. Giles Martin did a remix of Goats Head Soup - I find it unnecessary. And I personally hope they never remix Sticky Fingers, the greatest album of all time IMHO.
Excellent idea and very nicely put across. And so true. I can remember seeing the Lamb performed in its entirety in April 1975 at Wembley and having absolutely no clue whatsoever what was going on as I hadn't heard the album. On a personal level, the whole show was saved by the encores of Watcher of the Skies & The Musical Box, if memory serves. The irony being that the Lamb subsequently became my second-favourite Genesis album. I am pretty sure that the final European shows were also cancelled because of poor ticket sales too, btw. And in seven weeks time (I apologise for mentioning it again), I shall be entertained by a certain Mr. Wakeman performing the whole of 'Journey' live at this year's Cropredy!! That'll be a lot of fun, I think.
@@martinstarnes2237 thanks as always for your honesty. And that’s a key part of this video. I can’t imagine seeing the lamb live before it came out. Thanks for your honesty and saying it was saved by the encores. Overtime it became a favorite and one of mine as well. But the guts and the audacity of these great artists to present the complete Works live before an audience that never heard it. Absolutely amazing. Now nobody will play even a deep cut that we know lol you also taught me so much about Cropredy. I had no idea what a wide variety of music is there. Rick Wakeman is going to be amazing. enjoy.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow I agree entirely. Perhaps living under the shadow of the bomb, and we did in the '70s (and maybe are again today, at least over here. Trump's sacrificial island?), somehow meant people, including rock bands, took more chances with the time they thought they had. I don't think we were that convinced we'd all live to old age. Or maybe that's all bullshit! Lol! Wakeman is a lovely guy, as you have found out for yourself. Last saw him a couple of years ago doing a solo piano/stand-up comedy show in front of 200 people in a little town a few miles from where I live (songs included Strawberry Fields/While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Morning Has Broken, And You And I, Jane Seymore, Merlin, and Life on Mars, among others!!). And he's played Cropredy before. This year he has Matt Pegg, Dave's son, on bass (time moves on - Matt Pegg is in his mid-50s now!). Apparently the Genesis gig I attended in 1975 was recorded in full but only snippets have ever been released for some reason - you probably know more than me about this.
@@martinstarnes2237 The official Genesis Lamb Lies Down On Broadway live release is in the Genesis Archive 1967-1975 boxset - recorded 1/24/75 from the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles - but parts and even I believe complete songs were re-recorded if I remember correctly.
I forgot to mention that I love the Slipperman picture from Circus magazine.
Yea that's an amazing photo. Thanks
Cool "concept" for a video! I loved seeing the Circus magazines. I had a subscription (still have many). All the albums you showed are in my collection and played frequently. Wonderful presentation. 😊
Thanks so much - I really appreciate it. You never know what people will like or if they like it - so I greatly appreciate your support. Thanks again.
Boy you it the nail on the head, I got to see the Passion Play & didn't know what to expect but went & brought the album after the Show. Still one of my top 10 concerts. Btw one of the 10 Queen songs probably won't be "The Great King Rat". 🎶🎶🎶✌️
Thanks so much - lucky you to be at that show - I was only 10 years old. I have to live vicariously through the albums, bootlegs and videos. I can only imagine.
I have Thick As A Brick box and it's fantastic. Passion Play is an album I respect more than I like. It makes for an uncomfortable listen for me. Love that you have those Circus and Creem msgs. I read those religiously in the mid 70's. Alice Cooper's "Nightmare" is my favorite record of his. I watched the ABC-TV special at the time It was fun. Wondering why Alan Parsons Project didn't get any love from you. Their first three releases all work for me as quality concept pieces. As aLways a pleasure to see your selections. You and I would have some great discussions about music..
Thanks as always. I'm a big fan of Alan Parsons, but I don't remember Alan Parsons touring those albums as a conceptual concert. Perhaps I'm wrong. That was the concept of the video - these albums were performed live in their entirety as it's own show. Those Parson's albums are great though.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow Parsons and Wolfson Did present "Tales Of Mystery And Imagination" once, at Royal Albert Hall. I'm not 100% on that , but I believe it's true.
@@derhandtrommler Interesting - not a tour exactly, but I guess would count. Not aware of it. Thanks.
Solid video - thank you!
The Kinks RCA period is A miss for me - and I'm a HUGE Kinks guy!
Muswell Hillbillies being the exception- that's a go to album. One of my fave Kinks albums.
Same with Tull - it seems like instead of trying out concept album after concept album Ian Anderson changed the whole idea of Tull as a band. I LOVE their Heavy Horses permutation and saw all these shows at the time.
I don't blame inflation as much as the sheer greed of corps like Ticketmaster and such.
My first Springsteen show in 78 was 8$.
I've NEVER spent a better 8$ and I probably talked a girl into springing for tickets anyway.
Rock on!🤘😎🤘
Thanks - I agree Muswell Hillbillies is by far the Kinks best RCA album - great album. And yes, my point was that inflation is not the cause at all of the current pricing. If it was inflation, we would be paying between $45 to $65 dollars in todays world. Springsteen in 1978 for $8 is a fantastic example - and a 2 1/2 + hour show.
Nice episode... gotta correct you on the Genesis section (i'm a long time obseessed fan)... the Circus magazine cover is not Rael, that is Peter's "Watcher" costume. They did Watcher as an encore on many of the Lamb shows. Also the last show was cancelled in France... not in the States where they were becoming a much more well known band at this point and they were able to play larger halls during the lamb tour.
Thanks for the correction - he's wearing the leather jacket, with the makeup of Rael, but didn't realize that was the encore - interesting. I knew the last show was cancelled due to poor sales, but wasn't sure where. Interesting in that it was in France. I know it was a disappointing way to end the tour for them as that was supposed to be Peter's finale. Thanks again for your corrections.
Wait a minute.....you ought to know about the Queen catalog selling.....you bought it!!😂 I saw the Thick As A Brick, Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, and School Boys In Disgrace tours. All were great shows. Those school boy outfits were too much😂🤣 Those were the days my friend. Unfortunately, they ended. Yes, I'm channeling Mary Hopkins😂
God - damn - I'm responsible for Queen getting over a billion dollars for their average at best catalog....kill me. please. Damn you actually saw those shows - wow. You need a TV show David. I can't imagine - well I can - from all my reading, listening and watching, but will never equal actually being there. You never fail to impress. And you still keep going to shows. Amazing.
Great idea Alan. Our generation were spoilt. So many bands pushing the envelope. I saw The Tubes at Knebworth and they had a pretty impressive stage show. Missed Spinal Tap doing Stonehenge live sadly.
I actually thought of The Tubes, back in their heyday. Had a wild show, giant toothpaste, pills and a lot more. I saw them later on, without all the props and were just ok. Thanks.
Great shirt bro. :) I saw a lot of those Tull concerts. Fantastic stuff!
Thanks so much. Oh Lucky you - I can only imagine from my reading and listening.
Loved Brick from day one. Took me awhile to love APP.
yea me too. I still have to be in the mood for APP, but when I am, I love it, but not an easy listen.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow Side 2 I like much much more!
how could you leave out the Bay City Rollers and their magnus opus “The Life & Times of One Alan Rosenberg”? I think they did 56 sold out shows at the Dew Drop Inn on Nantucket Island of that one.
Lol. I would have included that if I did the video on S A T U R T U R Night.
I saw Yes several yrs ago.Bruford on drums and Tony Kaye on the keyboards.The critics said they didn't even have the original band.I'm thinking somebody needs to do their homework.Peter Banks was the only one missing from the original band
I can believe it. So many "critics", youtubers were born in the late 90's early 2000's. I speak to people who were born after The Stones Voodoo Lounge, and to me that's a fairly new record..lol. Where does the time go.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow Really my friend seems like yesterday I was 24 yrs old going to some really cool shows oh well we have dvds and blu-rays lol
I love how The Alan Rosenberg Show presents atypical music topics, as is evidenced by this very interesting and insightful video. What was it about rock concert audiences in the 1970s (and the late 1960s) that made them so different from those of today (and recent decades)? Unlike today’s audiences, they were not only open to hearing new music at concerts, but they genuinely were excited about listening to songs they never before heard by the bands they were into. They looked forward to the possibilities of discovering great new treats for their ears. I know because I was part of some of those audiences. The first rock concert I ever saw was Yes performing the entire “Tales from Topographic Oceans” LP. As the album had not yet been released at the time of the concert, it was a first-time listening experience for all the audience members in the sold-out arena. During the roughly two and a half hours it took to play the entire double album
at New York’s Nassau Coliseum, I, like my fellow audience members, was mesmerized. I remember seeing no one near me leave their seats during the performance, seemingly not to miss hearing any new music. Bathroom and alcohol needs apparently were taken care of prior to the start of the concert. - at least as far as I could tell. As “Tales…” is a complex and totally noncommercial album, the concert was a testament to the love of, excitement about and loyalty to Yes by the band’s fans. I also saw Led Zeppelin perform most of the songs on “Physical Graffiti” a couple of weeks before the double album dropped. My fellow audience members at the Madison Square Garden show were ecstatic about hearing never-before-heard songs by the band. At both the Yes and Zeppelin concerts, just a few fan favorites were included at the end of the respective shows, as the double albums were long. Nobody was disappointed that new songs took spots that could have been filled by plenty of well-known numbers. That was obvious by the enthusiastic after-concert discussions in which opinions about new songs were eagerly shared. Maybe the difference between those audiences and today’s concertgoers is that in the ‘70s (and late ‘60s) listening to music was frequently communal, and talking about music was a big part of socializing with friends. In today’s world, the norm for listening to music is for people to pop in ear buds while going about their personal business. As you pointed out, Alan, music nowadays often is relegated to the background. And today’s concertgoers are preoccupied with filming the entire if not most of the show on their cell phones. They are not in the moment, but rather focused on letting social media followers know they’re part of something cool. They want to film performances of a band’s classic, played-to-death songs because those songs get the best responses and, in turn, heighten the coolness factor. At the risk of over generalizing, the thoughts I have stated stem from my personal concert experiences. While I appreciate the use of cell phones as a way of documenting “part of” a happening, I think that their overuse at concerts is annoying - and detrimental to what a concert experience should be. Maybe I’m just too old school, but to me nothing compares to tens of thousands of cigarette lighters (not cell phones) being held up at the end of a concert.
Die hard music fans like us have been dealing with this situation for decades already - time goes fast, and it hasn't improved at all. Seems to me that it pretty much just effects "legacy artists" - our favorite rock artists. New artists - pop artists, country artists, rap artists - they don't seem to have this issue because "pop - hits" radio plays their new music, it becomes a hit and the fans want to hear the new music. Very much like rock artists that we love, had in the 60's, 70's and 80's. MTV back then would play the new songs / videos by the bands we love. Rock radio back then would play the new music too. There was exposure, so the rock fans would buy the new music, the bands would tour it etc. Now a rock legacy artist releases new music in a vacuum - it gets no play, the casual fan (which is the majority) has no interest in hearing the new music and the artist doesn't play much of it live because the ticket prices are a fortune and the majority of the concert goers don't want to hear it. It's a recurring cycle and hasn't changed. So you get the relatively few fans like us who buy the new material, we play it in this general vacuum and we're lucky to hear a few new songs live. It's sad. I don't understand how anyone can listen to radio. But it is what it is and we need someone smarter than me to change it. Or perhaps if radio got a bit more adventurous and played new rock music that would make all the difference.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShowEverything you wrote is absolutely true. Unlike what pop, country and rap radio stations do for artists in their respective genres, rock radio stations almost never play new songs released by “legacy” bands. So, casual fans won’t hear new tunes because they typically do not buy new albums “cold,” if you will. As unheard songs obviously cannot be popular, bands home in on fan favorite set lists to justify the exorbitant concert ticket prices being charged. In a nutshell: Give the (majority of) people what they want. My original comment to your video, however, was targeting the difference between today’s rock concert audiences and those of the 1970s (and late 1960s) with regard to hearing a song for the first time at the concert - because the album containing the song has not yet been released and advance copies of it have not yet been given to radio stations. Hence, there’s been no exposure until the song is performed at the concert. To that point, my personal experience back in the day is that so many concertgoers were excited to hear songs to which they had not been previously exposed. Their collective attitude may be summed up by something along the lines of, “We feel grateful to have a band we love give us the opportunity to make a new music discovery.” It was a different mindset. I guess it was a reflection of the times. An outgrowth of a love for music as a front-and-center force that was influential in shaping lives. In today’s world, there seems to be an emphasis on hearing what’s popular so one can film what’s popular so one can post it on social media to increase one’s own popularity.
@@ronalaurence4105 so well said and so very true. Absolutely. Another example is Billy Joel. Not including the one new song he recently released, he's spent 30 years playing the same songs over and over again - the ones you constantly hear on the radio. He's actually bigger now than he ever was back then. And when he plays live, he says "I have good news for you...I won't be playing any new songs". And everyone cheers - a funny comment on the legacy rock world. Give the people what they want indeed. And as you said, so different from what the concert going fans used to want.
Loved the video Alan. Just wanted to leave a Happy 4th of July message from a rainy Oslo. Cheers from Morten 🇺🇸🥳🇺🇸
Thanks so much Morten. Rainy Oslo actually sounds kind of good - it's hot and HUMID and sticky here. I'm getting old for this weather. lol.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow That terrible heat I heard about in Boston some days ago still hanging around eh?
@@MortenAastad hot and humid here. Could be worse and will. But these poor people with the hurricane elsewhere so I shouldn’t complain.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow No, that’s for sure.
Another cool video ... good topic ... one to potentially consider is Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds which is just such a great album ... been re-recorded / updated over the years... and still touring / selling out arenas ... it will be in Aberdeen next year ... still a must see event ... epic story ... epic tunes .... still can't beat the majestic original release with Richard Burton's superb story telling voice ... CMcG, Aberdeen, Scotland
That's a great example - I really like that album too. Thanks.
This was a great idea and very enjoyable. Except for Alice Cooper and Wakeman solo I've seen all those bands live but unfortunately not on the concept album tours. BTW Gerald Scarfe is married to Jane Asher.
@@markspooner1224 thanks Mark. Wow that’s cool information about Scarfe and Jane Asher. That’s a name from the past.
Hey man loved the video. Just wanted to say one thing
When you said that “ 90% of queen fans only know 10 songs”. That’s not true.
Those people who only know 10 queen songs are not “Queen fans”. They are just CASUAL listeners. If they claim that they are Queen fans , then they are just posers
I know A LOT people who have listened to all Queen studio albums and absolutely love them. They are the real fans.
True Queen fans also know all 4 members of the band.
Poser queen fans only know who Freddie Mercury is.
I hear you and you're right. I should have specified more. 90% of "Queen fans" that I've met throughout my life, especially since the movie and broadway show etc which has raised Queen's profile here in the US in a huge way over the last decades is who I was talking about. Of course in the world there are die-hard Queen fans - especially overseas where Queen were truly a mega band. But here in the US, I'll stick with 90% are casual fans at best. Thanks for your comments. Best, Alan
Always loved Keith Richards comment on Jethro Tull.
If your into a guy playing a flute while standing on one foot, then they’re your band
did he say that...I can believe it. Keith rips everyone. Hey I love Keith but I also love Tull.
Love Keith as well, but he can be a smart ass. Keith has a million of these wise cracks for different bands. Always like the question he asked a reporter. What does a dead head fan say when he hears the Grateful Dead sober? This band sucks.
I never got into Tull myself. Or a lot of stuff like Yes, ELP, Rush, Alan Parsons, King Crimson, Gentle Hiant, Styx, Strawbs, Uriah Heap, etc. just didn’t have any groove to me. That’s what great about music - to each their own
Gimmie my stones, faces, little feat, sly stone, funkadelic, black crowes. I gotta be able to get up and dance @@TheAlanRosenbergShow
The one that comes to my mind is Utopia doing "Singring and the Glass Guitar" and Todd would climb the pyramid and belt out guitar riffs at the top. Total theatrics with a concept album.
Interesting. I know Utopia could be theatrical, with the cool guitars and RA staging. Didn't realize they played a whole conceptual album through. I am more of a Rundgren solo artist (though not all of his albums) than a Utopia fan.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow Understood. Yes the RA album wasn't a commercial success like most of Utopia and Todd albums but Bearsville backed the group with a lot of props for this tour. Todd made a lot of wonderful but not that commercially viable music.
@@roberthale2268 I love some Utopia, but some of it didn't really appeal to me. Was an interesting time when Rundgren would flip back and forth releasing albums back and forth - some I liked...some not so much though...
Very interesting Video Alan.
As for Queen and value. Well, first I think their music IS worth more for advertisers and who ever owns their music because it has a more universal impact. Catchier, perhaps a bit less bound by time, easy to insert into adds and movies and had a potencial future use in more musicals and Broadway type shows? Also, the money is spread on 3 people and an estate and if John Deacon is still responsible for the bands economics? He is a recluse but a shrewd one if memory serves me well 😄
Seen some insane prices here as well, but Keane last month wasn’t too bad (400 NOK = 37 US$).
What you said is true - but again Queen''s popularity and value is still largely based around a handful of huge songs that are constantly played on radio, sports events, tv etc. Those songs have become amongst the most streamed songs. Their profile as the biggest and best band in the world, is based on a relatively small sample of songs - as compared to The Beatles, Stones, Who, Zeppelin, Dylan etc. It's an incredible thing, but we live in a streaming world.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow I’m watching Rick Beato defending his assumption, which is correct, that interest and therefore music, is declining. And he shows us that, google search on the topic Music has declined by 75% since 2000. So, you know, I agree with everything you say. Its no longer volume, quality or previous cultural impact, its clickbait and soundbites. Luckily rap music is declining faster than anything else including polka, so hey… silver lining.
@@MortenAastad I have to watch that - thanks.
So here's another fun idea for a show and this is just a fun suggestion by the ways 60s and 70s concept albums movies good bad and ugly so just for fun an good example would be Ken Russell's 1975 adaptation of the who's Tommy and bad can be the 1978 disaster Sgt pepper's lonely heart's club band with Peter Frampton and the Bee Gees would love your take on this topic
I like it. That's a very cool idea. My favorite would be Quadrophenia. Thanks - will take some work, but yea - I'll do it. Thanks again.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow it'll be fun you just have a fun take on music and I find no matter what show you do it has a fun sense of humor and that's definitely what this community needs is less serious and more fun after all it's only music and we're just here to have a fun discussion and encourage conversation
Hey Alan. I really dug this video. Concept albums are works of art no doubt. After doing some research, I never realized that the earliest "concept" ideas date back to the 1940s. I was wondering what your thoughts are on modern concept albums? For example, Primus did a Willy Wonka one and Tool's Lataralus is considered a concept album. Strangely enough, even Taylor Swift is now being written up as concept work nowadays. Thoughts? Great video. Cheers, Darryl.
@@northernvinylguy hi Darryl. Thanks so much. Great question and response. You’re so right in that concept albums haven’t gone away. I applaud the newer acts to stretch themselves and that. Unfortunately for me. I guess I’m largely living in the past. So I know relatively few of the modern ones. Even Green Day American Idiot and even that’s decades old. Time sure flies. I think Frank Sinatra Songs for Swinging lovers was amongst the first. Best Alan.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow Hey Alan, I do like the American Idiot song, but I've never heard the entire album. Maybe I'll stream it first to see what I think. We should both ch3ck it out... lol... Cheers, Darryl.
@@northernvinylguy my kids loved z Green Day so I’ve heard it. But I’m not gonna buy it. Lol.
Have a complete genesis lamb lies down on Broadway concert from Palm Beach 1975
I've seen some boots out there - nice to have that Spence.
There was also Styx doing Kilroy Was Here on tour and that whole brouhaha.
Very true - I don't own that album - I HATED that song, so I didn't cover it...but yea - great choice.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow Plus, that album came out in the 1980s, not the 1970s, so it wouldn't have counted anyway. Just realized that myself. Ha.
@@ErnestIII83 Ah - good point. But I wouldn't have thought of it anyway - don't own it and never will....lol. Thanks.
Regarding ticket prices, my very first concert was Aerosmith and that was $7.50. Fun fact: There were two openers, and the one of them was Buffalo band, Talas, that featured Billy Sheehan on bass guitar.
OH! Just out of curiosity, Alan, did Rick Wakeman have anything interesting to say to you when he signed your posters? Or anything to say at all? Was he surprised you had them?
That's a great one. Thanks.
Interesting indeed Alan...and I too miss those times very much. I did not personally see any of the shows you highlighted, as I really didn't start going to concerts until the early 80s, but it was a very different time. While watching it though, I couldn't help but constantly think of what was going on with punk music at that time, and how it really throttled the industry. Honestly, the theatrical thing got a little too much for me, personally...and though I was not necessarily some big punk music fan back then, looking back, something needed to wipe the slate clean, if you know what I mean. Some of the concepts were not just huge, but outrageous! I mean, it makes the pop up phallus the Stones did in '75 look pretty quaint, no? (Btw, didn't Miley Cyrus use that same phallus in her shows not too far back???) Some of the 'stories' got to be a little tiresome to me, too, and a little too much like an albatross. At some point, I would begin to think, shut up and play your guitar,--thank you, FZ. I mean inevitably, it did get self-indulgent. In fact, Frank himself kind of lampooned the whole concept album/tour thing with his overly obscene Joe's Garage...
But are we getting some of that same thing now in some of these overly theatric shows done by, say, Taylor Swift or Katy Perry? My wife put on a couple of their DVDs, and some of this stuff kills me--I'm seeing these massive set pieces with one of those dingbats floating over it on an elevated swing-set, strumming their acoustic guitar...or floating in water while a group of Vegas style dancers gyrate through a heavily choreographed routine on some LED platform....or opining in a mock tree house with chirping birds nearby...or emoting on an immaculate white grand piano--covered in moss???? I mean, forget about $100s of dollars, some of these people are paying well into the thousands for such shows. But then, rock music sure ain't doing that anymore.
@@anthonyaswe4174 funny. As soon as you mentioned Frank Zappa I thought of his theatrical pieces like joes garage. The biggest issue I have with today’s modern music and technology is live shows not really being live. And almost everyone is doing that. Even the rock bands playing to tracks and vocals. It’s a disgrace. It’s just so accepted. It’s on the freaking Grammys and Billboard awards. How can a music show have live performances that aren’t really live. I’ll take no choreography over live music. If you can’t sing and dance then don’t dance. Go to ballet then. It’s a fake and a sham. Gets me angry. For me depending on my mood I’ll love punk and big progressive concept pieces. It can be all great music. Thanks as always
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow Yes, and doesn't it seem MOST obvious on things like the Grammy's with the elaborate stage pieces and choreographed background dancers?--often times, you don't even see a band with the singers--and some people think they are tucked away in the orchestra "pit". Perhaps the big difference between the elaborate stage pieces done by Katy Perry and Taylor Swift versus the full blown theater productions cited in your review, is that in the latter, it was all part of one big story--as I recall The Wall shows would begin with all of the musicians and actors literally behind a massive white brick wall--that would slowly deconstruct during the show--and in the former, the staging is part of a specific song, and no more. Other songs would have other stages, set pieces. I mean, there's no way to really compare the two, as what was going on in the 70s was an off shoot of the concept album and 'rock opera', if you will. These newer singers are not doing that--strumming away in the tree house with the chirping birds--🤮🤮🤮. The one that really got me was the immaculate white grand piano, dredged in thick moss????
@@anthonyaswe4174 for me it’s about the music. And music to me by definition must be real. A live concert must be live. Real singing and playing. Everyone uses effects on it. I get that. Add echo etc that’s fine but you must be singing and playing. And if it’s a music awards show it’s heresy to allow otherwise. But that’s the world we live in. Will get worse with AI technology
What, no Quadrophenia '73 tour?
Quadrophenia is my favorite Who album, but they never played the album in the 70's. On that tour they played select songs, with some effects tapes in between. It was decades later that they did the Quadrophenia tours (which I loved). So that's why I didn't include it. I could've mentioned Tommy as they did play that in its entirety at the time. Probably should've mentioned Tommy I guess.
Talking back catalogs, have the Stones ever tried buying their Abkco era stuff back?
I mean, Mr. Klein has passed...
At some point, they tried but over the decades, I've no idea. haven't heard anything. Of course they've worked together over the last decades with live albums using the classic Klein era tracks and compilations like 40 Licks that combine both periods. One of the sad legacies of rock music that The Stones don't own their pre-1971 songs.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow Sticky Fingers (my fave Stones album) has two Klein owned masters, Sugar and Horses.
It's practically it's own greatest hits album!
Talking Sticky Fingers cds, the 1994 Virgin pressing sounds best to my ears, 2009 is too harsh IMO.
Even the original Columbia pressing sounds pretty good.
Four SF cds in my collection, Columbia, zipper Virgin, regular Virgin for the cd player, and the 2009.
@@jasonpp1973 Sticky Fingers is my favorite album of all time. I have at least 6 versions lol. I agree the best versions of the Rolling Stones records albums, including Sticky Fingers are definitely the Virgin releases. I also have those special editions where they reproduced the covers (with the Zipper no less). But yea, those are amazing.
@@TheAlanRosenbergShow It would be cool if someone like Giles Martin or Steven Wilson could do a remix of the album.
@@jasonpp1973 Personally I hope not. I love the remastered versions in that you can hear things clearer, with a better sharpness oftentimes. But the whole "fad" of remixing (for example the Beatles and Beatles solo albums like Lennon's), I hope doesn't carry over to the Stones. Remix are completely creating a new album, and I love the Stones albums as they were originally mixed designed. I remember Jagger wanted to remix Exile. Thank God that hasn't happened. The last thing I want is a remix with his singing up in the mix and clear. Giles Martin did a remix of Goats Head Soup - I find it unnecessary. And I personally hope they never remix Sticky Fingers, the greatest album of all time IMHO.