iRacing Has A Big Content Problem
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- I enjoy live streaming iracing and learning languages through the sims amazing voice chat but with each update iracing keeps adding more and more cars as well as series which are unfortunately thinning out the user base and making the racing worse or in some cases making it imposable to even get a race with certain content.
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Before I get comments from pedants saying X Y Z Car i said was close to a gt3 is NOT LIKE A GT3 CAR - Obviously the cars are different but the point is the approach and general nature / how the races end up going with the cars end up being quite similar compared to cars that are VERY different from each other IE Fford compared to GT3 , or F4 Compared to LMP2 or even F2 compared to F4.
The people in the comments might not have heard your statement about it “not being the most ____”, I’m not going to fill that in as that’ll cause the storm lol.
What i noticed over the years,
The scheduling is not based on player population, it's based on sales numbers.
Every new competition also adds a combination of tracks AI extracted from user inventory data.
It's all based on numbers.
I'm glad to see someone prominent bringing this up for once.
Oh nice, who was that then? :D
Prominent is a bit of a stretch
When someone says GM to me I don't read good morning, my casual cup of tea is lifelong connected to this guy... isn't that prominent enough?
Iracing should let you trade in older cars for newer dlc. That would be a pretty good step forward to solve the problem.
Yes, at least a 25% discount on certain new cars would be nice... but won't happen.
I wish they did that too but business wise its a terrible idea for iRacing. They're double dipping with monthly costs and content already so no incentive to make less money. what they should do is let us try the cars before buying at any stage of the season not just a tiny time frame with in updates. Race Room has this option so iRacing could too but they know it will cost them.
Unlike a lot of comments here, iRacing is my favourite sim and I'm happy with the £ I spend (obviously think it should be cheaper but I at least get my ££'s worth).
However, I agree with the overall sentiment of this video. I think they need to be much more cut-throat on removing old series and really concentrate on consolating the cars in ongoing series. To be honest the LMP3, Caddy and Porsche this season are exactly what I think they need to be adding since they either replace series or improve car pools in current ones (apart from the new LMP3 fixed series!) .
For me the biggest content problem is actually the tracks. I love driving the new tracks. I buy most of them (sorry!). However, the average player won't want to spend £10 on Willow Springs and rightly so. Therefore, even the most popular series will be completely dead when these tracks arrive on the schedule. They either need to start updating more old tracks (to be fair this is becoming more common) or some sort of discount bundle system. The track system means absolute bangers like Knockhill and Sandown are always ghost towns which is tragic
All I care about is multiclass and that always has a super popular series going on every week. No other sim has the playerbase and infrastructure for it, so it's an easy choice to stick to it.
The SR8 was awesome I really enjoyed racing it and would spend money on tracks to race that week, great racing and fun to drive.
Was the best car on the service, I quit for a few months when they replaced it, I went back, but only for nascar. They bought it back for a week in the ringmeister and it was the most popular week.
What annoys me also is when they release a newer version of a car you already paid for. Yes if you bought it recently you get it for free or discounted but if not, you're buggered and they want you to pay for it again!
totally agree.if you own a car you should automatically get the updated version
Guys wake up you don’t own any content on iracing! You basically rent it as long as you subscribe.
When did this happen? All car updates to cars you own are free.
@@jeffvanstoneexample is the Audi GT3 I bought a couple of years ago that has been replaced by the new Audi GT3 they want me to pay for. I bought Virginia a couple of seasons before they gave it away for free, no refund of any kind.
Love the game, hate the greed.
I see this with tons of MMO type games which is how I classify iRacing for peripheral reasons and you’ve nailed it, if you split the community everyone pays the price and ironically the player base doesn’t understand what’s happening. Where did everyone go? They are out chasing a dragon.
I walked away. It was like breaking up with a beautiful girl who was materialistic. It was difficult at first but the best decision I ever made for my wallet
iRenting
If you can't afford iracing you deffo can't afford a girlfriend
@@InsurgeGaming if you're sensible with budgeting and stuff then that's not necessarily the case. People might just not want to spend ridiculous amounts on their hobbies
@@neblolthecarnerd even with iRacing, which by far is the most expensive option you can go for simracing, the hobby still is quiet cheap compared to many others
I do the same
I play iracing, I like iracing but I'd like to see another sim/game come along and hand its ass to it due to its extortionate pricing.
ACC + LFM has done it for me. Unfortunately iRacing keeps adding cars and tracks because it's the easiest cash grab, while the best long term strategy would be to improve the game and the user interactions.
@@SalvatoreIovene its a money grab service
@@fan2hd277 I have no problem with business charging money of course. The problem imho is the prioritisation.
I do not mind more tracks and car types/models (although there is point of playerbase segregation in the case of more car types as you mentioned); HOWEVER, I do NOT appreciate having to buy 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, etc, of the same car. And you pretty much have to buy the new year's release of the car because the racing series being offered will use that year's version. This honestly made me cancel my iRacing subscription most recently to re-evaluate its value. They shouldn't make your previous purchases obsolete.
In the words of a famous band " money, money, money ".... lets not mention the car con. Look everyone here is a new Porsche GT3 car.....oh you have the porsche GT3 car.... well heres another new one. What do you mean its exactly the same car or course its not, thats why we are charging you again... Surely we wouldnt charge you for the same car! ..... oh and you want tyre info like all the other sims.... we are far to busy on bringing you rain.... yes like all the other sims that have had it for ages..... etc etc. I really have had enough of iracing, I will never buy any more contenet unless I really have to, its generally tired, old and f***ing expensive. What they need to do is completely update the whole thing, stop using the tired graphics engine they are using, give us that have spent a fortune value for money, free content thats worth having and stop double charging us for stuff we have already bought.... and so it continues...... and relax! tea time!
You have a good point, specially during Australian ours, it's very hard to get a good race for me now if I'm going for open wheels
They should kill the SR10 and bring back SR8. That would be like return of Verdansk in Warzone
I think this is your best video to date. Pro Mazda was my fav car, killed with update, SR8 was my next favorite car, killed with update.... I am dreading now season updates
iRacing has provided some of my favourite sim moments but I fell off it once I got a bit up in the licenses and had to dig up information on what car had participation, what was basically obsolete etc. I could look at a 1-2 year youtube video or reddit thread and see people having fun with something, then ask on a discord server and people say the car is dead.
Doesn't really inspire me to lay down a lot of cash on iRacing tbh, I don't have a problem with the payment model per se but buying something and basically being unable to use it not *that* long after isn't great.
My two favorite series were Skip Barber and the Radical RS8. I absolutely hate the SR10. Skip Barber is pretty much dead, although it’s a good series to build SR now. I’m having a hard time finding series to run now. My league races are the other thing that’s keeping me on iRacing right now 😢
SR10 has been massively improved apparently
if you take a look at skippy participation this season so far, you can tell its FAR from dead lmao. sure, very early mornings to mid day GMT it's quite dead, but other than that there's been plenty of people racing.
@@BanditOwO The last 5 races I’ve done were one split, and only 10-12 cars.
@@psballent is what it is tbh, but it's definitely not dead
That's the reason I continue wit Ferrari GT3 series, is always with at least 2/3 splits. Don't really know what is the next series to choose but I am really considering changing to Rennsport. Don't like soo many options, maybe it is just me...
Bang on! I only play since last december. But since then, they added : GR86, F1600, Clio and LMP3. They should focus more on adding content within the existing series. Like new BMW GT4, Mustang GT4, Mclaren 720S, etc. To avoid spreading the player base. Also, up to date tracks should be a priority
I've been getting into iracing recently and have just got my c license and now I've got no clue to which series to progress through. My main goal is to race at the imsa series but i need a b license for that. Ideally im looking for the cheapest way to get there but this is so confusing.
do a few time trails for some days. easy way to boost your SR. the more corners the track has, the more SR you gain at the end of the session.
The SR10 is actual garbage, and the SR8 was so fun to drive.
New to IRacing, and yes it is confusing as hell.
even some content that they add, people have zero interest in, brazilian stock cars being 1, and i agree on the skip barber, its the car i actually got iracing for as on reddit skippies was a huge hit
In 2030 iracing will have a car for everyone! Have YOUR car and YOUR street scanned into the game and YOU can race BY YOURSELF on a service with others doing the same fucking thing...AND YOU GET TO PAY FOR IT! Why go OUTSIDE to do it when you can pay us to drive it in our simulation! It's better than reality! And since you are in a race of one, you WIN every race! Infinite iRating for ALL!
A few comments
- The 'pillaging' just seems to be people looking for novelty.
- Probably there is some limitation by licensing - they can only release content that they can license.
In 2016 I decided to broadcast races for the cost of cars and track lol, long story short, it was cheaper just to pay for them. But, I did love it and it led to a career announcing at multiple tracks!
The engine limits them to 8 different cars I think on track at any one time, probably why they haven't filled out the GT3/Gt4 series. Probably not going to bother with it for much longer. Hoping that something comes along to kill it off with its horrible pricing model, outdated graphics and bland FFB ( and I say that as someone who has quite a bit of content ).
9 different cars as of this season.
wherever all the money these people pay for iracing goes, its not into the game lmao
We can only dream my friend, maybe with new titles coming up one of them will entice the masses to try something better.
Agreed! In New Zealand it can be pretty disappointing, where you get 1 or 2 splits, with 1.4K drivers gridding up against 4-6k drivers. It defeats the entire purpose of ranked play.
The only answer i can come up with is to wind back the number of official series each season and push/ encourage with cheaper/free servers for league racing the others cars they offer.
From nz as well. I find the best times to go on are either Saturday mornings or Sunday mornings probably before 10am, just due to the time difference, Saturday night isn't bad either
Considering a lot of games in the modern era are free to play, providing you with the basic tools and the rest you buy in game it's surprising Iracing fans haven't caught on to this and wonder why they are paying a monthly subscription and also buying the content.
I feel like they could easily just rotate cars each season. Do skippy or vee or whatever one season then fford the next. Completely agree though, too many series at once, and then you have no real missing of any particular car. Itd make more sense to do a rotation (in my mind) because then more people are hyped about things like "oh the ford is a series in this season." i guess i get if youre an absolute lover of only one or two cars, that could neuter you for a season. But equally it just seems weird. we dont need 3 almost identical starter formula car series at a time imo. Or just run them like they do irl and cram them into one race/series.
Easy to agree, but easy to get that it is to sell content. They are not interested in more fun as most of the players that owns content does not want to lose the investment by cancel
A two year subscription on iRacing is $149 every November. People will buy a console game that gets minor updates year after year as if somehow that’s not the same thing.
I’m not sure what you mean. The cost of a console game ends right there. You're telling me that that’s the only cost to iracing? I think not so add the cost of cars and tracks because no one is happy with only the base content. Then consider shortly after they decide they want to make a car that basically replaces a car you maybe don’t feel you got your money’s worth out of and now no races for you to use it on. That in my opinion is the problem.
You have to keep buying to use your subscription if your content is not being used. If you stop to buy, you lose, if you cancel, you lose all you content investment. It's magic. For them
While i see where you're coming from I've loved the newest cars, i dont really see what the solution is. Removing cars isnt really a possibility without refunding everyone.
If a series has hardly any racing because almost noone is racing it then its basically removed by stealth anyway / People can still use a car in there own things / unoficial.
But to be honest how about iracing just update cars / replace them for free ... given iracing already costs magnitudes more than any other sim and new people would still be buying the car for the first time + people still spend money on tracks + sub.
@@GamerMuscleVideos replacing them for free seems like the best solution but we know they aren't gonna do that lol
The Mercedes F1 W13 is a potato now so apparently you can just get rid of them!
It's quite simple. They keep adding cars and tracks because it makes them boat loads of money. People just keep buying up everything they offer. Also the new cars bring in new people to the service. It baffles me how people just buy up every damn new thing, drive it a couple times, and never touch it again. Just stop buying every damn thing they make, and they will stop. Maybe focus on making the sim look a little better.
If someone pays $10 for a car and gets a couple of hours of fun out of it, isn't that value for money? I'd buy an MY99 Impreza WRX even if I could only drive it around empty tracks, testing and setting lap times.
It's not good value if the same thing exists for free or a largely equivalent thing exists for cheaper.
Otherwise it would be like me saying x ice cream was good value because I enjoyed it for 5 min even though it cost $3 when for example in a shop next door they had say much higher quality ice cream for $1 or free.
The fact a person enjoyed the 3$ one is not a justification for it being good value it simply shows they were ignorant of the better option available to them.
Of course someone could totally subjectively enjoy something arbitrarily which is fine but at that point it's not really a positive or negative argument for anything.
10$ might be good value for 5hours entertainment but 5$ would be twice as much value , and ultimately it's not just 10$ as there are price points that exclude people from enjoying things and iracing has a sub + multiple tracks and other aspects involved.
@@Sighmanit all adds up in different ways and the customer suffers the most, you already pay for the service monthly then on top of that you have to buy the new cars and tracks that you think will be the next popular thing or it's a replacement, most of the time it's not even popular for a few races let alone a season, the devs just see profit and the cycle continues. Also It doesn't help when popular reviewers say how amazing the cars are to then find out a mod on Assetto Corsa of the same car is miles better.
The model is based upon selling content, but there isnt enough of a player base to support this. They have stepped up the release of new content to several cars and tracks with each build. There used to be update only builds, with content as a rare treat. Now everyone demands content, so they react to this without improving the core sim. So they are torn with a finite development resource as if they went 6 months with just the needed updates to physics and FFB for example then the most vocal of the community would complain.
Quality of releases has declined with the increased contents with certain cars remaining broken. Whilst new content is added. Most series are only a single split and some series are empty and dont go official which is becoming more common.
If I were to join now and saw the enormous list of road content I would most likely just say no thanks and race something else purely down to cost.
I feel relatively fortunate in that the majority of my massive purchases were done 2 years ago and now I just pick up the odd track here and there.
Racing in Aus the low player count is absolutely noticeable, I’ve seen IMSA not go official during my evening time many times.
Theres just too many series now, single splits suck as it can be absolute chaos and you don’t get the close racing the whole thing is supposed to provide.
yeah this has always been a big issue with iracing for me, even though its my main sim... theres like dozens of "dead" series and sometimes I've been excited for a new car just for it to be a dead series by the middle of the season... so I'm back to IMSA/GT3.... which is frustrating because a lot of the more unique cars are so much fun to drive and I'd rather just play ACC for GT3 is I'm gonna be doing that the entire time
The decompression of racing series caused by all of the newer single make series is really hurting the sim right now. I think an answer would be to start putting more cars into some of the classes that already have a foundation in the sim, such as TCR, GT4, the newer dpi cars etc. The next thing they need to fix is the car type limit that currently exists so that they can start expanding the GT3 field and improve some of the multi-class series to use them at their full potential. Lastly, rather than creating new single make series, add cars to some of the random under utilised series like the GT1 stuff, or the series that has the Audi GTO and Nissan prototype in.
So as a person that has always WANTED? to join iRacing, but is put off by the sheer cost of it all - I can understand your thoughts in this video GM, as an outsider...
But on that basis, when I hear your comment directly from the 13:43 mark - I am both confused & surprised, that so many people are still making iRacing a viable concept. Why aren't people leaving in droves, when I hear such negative comments from so many Channels & subscriber-commenters about iRacing's idea's???
Because no other sim has active ranked multiplayer with anything other than GT3 cars.
@@GamerMuscleVideos, it's an extremely good point - and I must admit that the reason I've always wished to join iRacing, is that constant race schedule
I’ve been playing acc now. Planning on stop paying for Iracing and buy cars or more tracks on acc.
Just the solution GM wants 😂
ACC is crap though worst sim I've tried!
Adding the W13 and W14 at the same time was also weird. The W13 was so awesome to drive and then made F1 way more accessable, but just for one year. Than the W14 took over and we are back to a very little races at few spots at the weekend that hardly split at all.
The Super Formula was great, but killed the Formula Renault 2.5 in a split-second completely and maybe more series. It was impressive to see four splits mid-weeks at the evening for the SF, though.
(the data might not be up-to-date, not active this season. Will be there to see if "Rain" is going to kill the entire service, don´t get why everyone is hyped about it, while mostly not able to drive clean in the dry). And I own way to many cars, that have never seen a race because I bought them without knowing that were dead already in the beginning. However, any car that´s driven today, might be dead next season due to a new release.
I agree iRacing is a mess with content and prices, now that AC2 and Rennsport are just around the corner and with RaceRoom having a good ranked system with the latest update also lfm for acc and rf2 we have many choices to be competitive with better handling cars.
Rennsport is shit. GT3 with the famous classic tracks that every sim has. Rf2 is godly in simulator shit but shit at making a game for years. ACC can't even make an online system for themself. And Raceroom is too small for years. Only AC2 can shake up some things. I hope a company can compete with iRacing, but no one focus on the online part... iRacing ain't in trouble man. I jump on LFM with 250 people signed up. And it's still a mess. It doesn't matter if you have 50 people or 250 people signed up. Same shit everywhere.
@@MelfjeProductionS I half agree with you here, iRacing on top for most people, its the most "plug and play" when it comes to ranked racing but with an ever increasing monetary cost, lets hope AC2 can give us the relief we are looking for. But Its really up to the core players to try out other sims and change this mindset that iRacing is the only sim worth trying, and yes some titles can be more work to get going than others mainly talking about RF2 and AC but its so worth it for the actual fun it produces, the amount of people that tell me iRacing is the only sim to play but after talking to them for a bit they all confess they have not actually tried other sims and just go by what they have seen on youtube, at this stage it feels like talking to a brick wall with most people.
@@JaredPaul01 Oh yeah sure thing man. Actually iRacing was the last sim i tried. Because of the steep price. I started simracing a little bit before covid started. And I really liked RaceRoom and AC/ACC then. Later tried out Ams2 and RF2. Was good fun but when you get to a level you just want to compete man. That's why I started iRacing and just went into it man. It's actually expensive when you break it down. But if you do it so many times a week it's not that bad. I prefer a game that updates itself instead of getting a new game every year or something and have plenty of bugs. Every 3 months we have some cool shit.
Hello, You are right, but, at the end you find populated series, maybe not the ones you like 100%, but similar classes most of the time. You pay a service, and as vr simracer its amazing, awesome, no the best graphics, but for me the best online experience in vr. That said, yes dead series should be retiredz and the path to add more cars to the existing series will be better than make bew series just with one car. At the end ofnthe week, tracks are the key factor, if you put anything at spa, this serie will be populated. And lot of people dont do series, just decide what to race based on the track/car combo. Anyway theres a lot of other options out there like ams2, gt3/spa ssmulator aka acc, etc, but no other sim has the online and vr , so its not perfect, but its great,and yes its outdated in some ways, but who knows maybe someday they will improve all that things some people are suggesting to imprpve build after build.
The main problem for me is, that the engine is so limited, you can only have 7/8 3D Models on track at the same time. Something which stands out against for example ACC, where 32 people can un 16 different GT3 and still be on the same server in the same race. Thats especially annoying in multiclass-racing. Having 4 different GTP, +1 LMP2 limits the number of GT3 to 3 cars - mostly ending up in having to run a new content car in GT you never bought or were interested in. That's just rubbish, you should be allowed to run whichever car you like in a specific class. It's not like the engine is super complex or new and can't run 20 different models at the same time. iRacing is just afraid five people with a Pentium 4 and a CRT screen would sue them because their game is stuttering with 9 different Models on track...
And: too much development in new content. Too little in systematic improvements or new physics. I‘ll be leaving.
I start out offended by the end I agree with u 😂 u r a sim wizard
Agreed. But other than more users, I'm not sure there is a solution.
I enjoy iracing! The new cars are good really enjoy the clio and Toyota! The problem is the other series like the free cars the grids and splits are lower and not updated so it’s really tricky to improve irating on lower racing series! Hopefully iracing fixes this!
Maybe they should rotate some series in and out and it would make those series a little more important too because maybe you only get one or two season a year of something.
But yeah, I'm not sure why there are so many series. Often competing with like 6 road series all around the same times. Not to mention the other disciplines each series has to compete with.
Not sure why they just don't make the Prototype Challenge a multiclass series as well. Would be neat!
Agreed, it’s not helpful fragmenting the player base. Also, it pisses me off massively when a car I used to use is superseded. I wouldn’t mind but they want you to pay again, just update the fekkin car, it’s a live service right? I’m paying a fee yeah?
When you say Skip Barber drivers have jumped ship to LMP3, how do you actually know this the case?
They have jumped more to formula ford , More series just further dilutes things. There are still people on Skippy and at peak times / certain tracks its fine
The point is more series dilutes players.
Its inevitable if you add more series it will spred players thinner and even more so when cars are quite close to drive.
@@GamerMuscleVideos Ofcourse more drivers are driving the formula ford, its a free car and it runs alot of free tracks in both series.
@@GamerMuscleVideos I agree with your overall point, just not sure on that data point in particular. Anyway, have a great tea I mean day
You did'nt even mention the dead on arrival new content like the mission R and brazilian stock cars.
People buying so they are making it. Vote with your wallets. I don't play iRacing because of their ridiculous pricing.
Please can you also highlight rFactor 2's appendices problem. I think Assetto Corsa's glossary and index also deserves a spotlight.
IMO they need to rotate series each season and lower the prices of cars and tracks. Anthother thing they need to add is free new cars for people who bought the old version of the car AND more free cars and tracks.
Don't know about iRacing but Robert Kubica would kill for a beard like that 😁
Beard is at stage 1
Why remove content ? I do not share this idea; remember people have bought those content. The rule is the user choose and the user wants to have the choice.
The counter part is iracing player don t look for a car but for great racing online. Agree this kind of sim should not provide too much content that create fragmentations because it breaks the first goal.
I know this would never happen, but the biggest blocker to get people in the game and boost up the numbers to a point where it's more likely some of these series would shine more, is the subscription. Remove that
Ive noticed that the sr10 barely has enough people for a split sometimes which is crazy. (US est) they should bring the sr8 back.
As an American, I'm not interested in road course racing. I like Dirt and I like Oval racing, and the rest doesn't interest me. I feel like a lot of people feel that way here, and that's probably why the types of races you're interested in are dead during US time zones.
I think they should update series with newer or simular alike you said regards the radicals, less series in d and c and more in b .and a, change series per season so that not all comtent is available that season to control it.
just got a 2 year sub in iracing but its feeling empty lately ...i love it but if im gonna hotlap ill go to ac or ams2 these days.. im hoping new contenders like Rennsport might shae them up .
As a realatively new arrival to iRacing I worked out how much it would cost for a C or B licence full season to get tracks and a car to match - it's always $100 per season for one class. That's too much for me, I'm unlikely to return. Plus I cannot stand the handling model - it's far too easy to lock up with no warning and then you slide forever....
yah to do iracing properly you need to budget about 270-350 in first year and second year then about 70-100 each year after that.
I agreed with you
iRacing has way too many formula cars in series right now.
Formula A
Formula B
Formula C
Formula 4
Formula 1600
Formula Vee
Formula IR
Open Wheel B
Open Wheel C
Open Wheel D
Skippy
And some of those have both fixed and open setup series. It's just getting silly.
i think that iRacing is bad at retiring content. part of that is on the community which tends to freak out when a car gets retired. but also i think iRacing is allowing a sort of natural selection to happen.
this sucks for users who join iRacing today, get excited about a series and then find out no one is racing it anymore.
I rarely agree with you, you tend to rub me the wrong way (just messing with you, I do appreciate your content, and you even encouraged me to try tea). 100% this! They pull the same thing with the tracks. Every time they add a new track to a schedule, it has to replace something, say another track we already bought, right? In each case, the content we already paid for gets watered down in value. I just wonder when the legality of this gets called out.
I'm always looking for a new series to run. If the player base continues to grow, should be ok.
I only run one or two races per season though. Those wanting multiple trades per day could be in trouble.
The problem is that the player base is pretty low already, then it’s split between road and oval, different series, etc. They need to remove a lot of stuff and focus everyone into a few series instead so you actually get good splits of skill level instead of 2k-8k.
100% sure that if they lower the overall prices for the content they would have more ppl and the series would have more players overall but trying to milk and overcharge ppl specially for a pre-historic engine and game is what stops alot more ppl to join in, i know the sim overall has alot of ppl but let´s be real, it´s a charge model that should be reformed and changed to try and pull in more drivers.
0:44 an empty bank account.
Good points, I agree 100%.
i just wish they would update cars in current series instead of bringing new series out every season
100% true.. way too many series currently
GM, I'm convinced you hate racing sims.
100%
What about track dilution too, not just cars. I've been away from iracing for some 8 years now, I wouldn't even know what to begin buying if I were to come back. So much content to choose from, what are the odds you're gonna get a race for the ones you do choose to buy?
pick a car you like and buy the tracks that it races on. also, if you look at the special events schedule, those tend to be the most popular tracks in every series if you want to ensure you will get to reuse the ones you buy
Don't know about that, I decided to jump into LMP3 and it runs almost all tracks that I bought last season. Only had to buy 2 tracks. The same would go if I would have jumped into TCR. Would need to buy 3 tracks for pcup. It is not that bad imho aside from first season, where I spend around 80€ a month.
I’ve been feeling this same way. Id much rather see rain, flat spots/graining, improved garage UI, more details from spotter about what is damaged on the car, and a more atmospheric race track environment
Indeed flatspots, did 1h straight drift burning tires without blowing
100% agree on the Radical SR3. In the past, I've said "they'll never add it, because it would cannibalize the SRF", but as you pointed out, they don't seem to have a problem with cannibalization. I get that they always want people to feel like their content still has value, but that's a recipe for spreading the player population too thin.
Iracing is addicted to the revenue. They need to fix the major problems with the sim, like the tyre model or force feedback…
It really is terrible that we have so many choices of great cars to drive. The worst.
They need a refund system. I bought the p3 and immediately hated it. With all the money I have spent, they should really allow me to try cars before I buy them.
The SR10 handles like a shopping trolley full of logs - they should bring back the HPD! The Mercedes F1 car that only lasted a year burned a lot of people and more or less killed that series
The biggest issue with the SR10 was iracing broke the physics for the whole of last season and the participation was terrible. It should / has improved this season and I’m happy it’s getting better now. For me iracing already put much more development time into boring GT3 as they seem to be the most popular. You are right to call out the bigger issue though, if there are not enough splits people will drift away.
I really thought we would have seen the new GT3 Mustang by now. We’re way past needing a new Mustang.
Cash cows, a better business model would be a decent sub price and off you go
I agree only on the basis of open wheel classes. I said this when they brought in the FF1600 that they had too many open wheel classes now and are diluting what they had.
As for the P3 Diluting the others, I'd say you are way off in that. IRL Imsa has moved P3 into a new series with GT4. this will mimic that. Having 2 separate prototype series tho with P3 and P2 makes no sense. Those should be combined to 1 multicar prototype fixed series.
The reason your seeing lower entries in some series this week is due to the 6hrs at The Glen this weekend. Imsa series races are getting massive splits in preparation for that race and will effect every other series.
The whole of last season and season before was worse for participation with lots of content as well its not just the start of this one and its gotten worse over the last two years with a bunch of series spread really thin.
LMP3 also has fixed dedicated if it was in IMSA / GT4 or whatever multi class sure also LMP3 as I say drives very much like multiple other cars on the service.
As you pointed out it would make sense to mix LMP2 with the LMP3 so you are still agreeing with my point really. In real life they have got read of LMP2 and LMP3 from certain series or will do by 2024 as the more prestigious series run with Hyper cars and GT3.
@GamerMuscleVideos That's why I said I agree on the open wheel side of your statement. you have the whole F1 themed cars and then you have the whole Indy themed cars... then throw fixed and open setups on each and it gets so thinned out like you said.
Tin tops really haven't seen a decline. The only time we see a drop in tintop cars is when they go to a unpopular track or are up against a special event. GR86 still sitting uptop of the entries this week.
first couple weeks of a season is always a big boom for the new content let's see in a few weeks how things are shaping up.
Also with the new agreement with FIA, I hope that brings updated F2,F3 and a full F1 complement
@@GamerMuscleVideos which car is similar to lmp3? because I don't see any similar cars to it, lmp2s are much more powerful, and radicals are completely different type of cars. For many people, me included, the lmp3 was much need help to get into prototype racing because going from SRF, straight to lmp2 is a huge jump.
Agree with you fully here GM! Far too many dead series.
Well iracing has one thing that no one else does, MP servers that cover most of the map. The cars, tire model is junk. The cars I like are RSR , 410 USAC lotus 49, Cr6. Cars that are ghost towns. I’ve moved back to the west coast so you have to race at 3:00 pst or 4:00 Pat (6:00 est -7:00est). I’m a league racer but that’s pretty much the same. Been with them since the last beta in 08 and I’ve been bored for a while plus like I mentioned the tire model is junk. Ams2 I like but bugs galore. Rennsport will be just for the hobnobbers and esports which isn’t sim racing. I think it’s time to try rf2 again, ACC not my thing as gt3 is 😑
It’s all about NASCAR with iRacing. I’ll mess around with road every now and again if I get bored.
I say this is pure greed from iRacing. They want to make as much money as possible and are even willing to take the risk of destroying the service. But in the end, they're probably right. Most people will take the pill and pay for new cars frivolously.
Yeah that's why iRacing is growing massively... We got all those other sims and only ACC has a good online playerbase. The iRacing splits are bigger then ever. I can race so many different series. Only Touring cars and Skip Barber are too low of a playerbase. I've got all the sims and I wasn't a fan of Iracing at the beginning. But I stopped playing all the other sims and i'm only at iRacing. Cuz I can race at so many tracks on so many cars vs all people on the globe. That's what I want, nothing more. Every other sim fails to do that. But iRacing need to adjust more instead of adding. This year iRacing dropped tons of tracks and cars. They need to adjust what's important and what not. But overall i'm happy man. They're the only sim company that knows how to make an online system. You don't need to blame iRacing you need to blame the other sims. iRacing has this system since 2008 and no other sim has tried to beat them. Wtf actually...
They should just remove all cars and tracks except the Lotus 49 and Nordschleife. Problem solved.
I just cant agree with some stuff said here, like replace the USF2k with the F4? When the F4 already has a million participation and the USF has decent population as it is. FF1600 and Skippy? Yeah maybe. But the skippy still gets enough participation to stay alive, and FF isn't really suffering. I agree that there can be a problem, but the problem isn't in the series and cars, the problem is that everyone and their grandma just races f4/f3/gt3, nothing else. Spread out people
The F4 killed USF, I used to race USF a fair bit , formula ford has now largely killed off the Skippy , that was my point when they keep adding stuff it spreads users thin.
Some stuff is ok at peak eu times but some stuff is dead at USA and AU time zones now .
The SR10 is 1 split and dead most the time ,SR8 was 2-4 splits often.. so they outright killed a series with a pay car.
@@GamerMuscleVideos yeah ofc, the radical is a bit sad, the old one was in fact, rad (and free for it's last bit of lifetime), but it was also very old, so a very understandable replacement imo maybe it should have been free too for participation reasons.
In regards to not having 3 splits at all times, yeah that's a shame i guess, but it's not like its unraceable, sure you might not have someone at your exact irating, but then again irating doesn't really equal speed anyways. And there are options (f4, or whatever) if you want those 25 splits at all times, and you might just have to snipe out the sof times for the very specific series (brazil stock cars for example).
Is what it is, but imo it's more of a problem with the players over the sim itself (although yes, the sim having billion options might not help).
Idk, just my thoughts on it
Nothing wrong about trying something new from time to time.
Complaining about the iRacing pricing and content delivery models is kind of beating a dead horse at this point I feel.
Everyone - and I do mean everyone - already knows it's too expensive and there's too much dead content. Indeed, no one knows this more than iRacing power users. We've wasted hundreds of euros on shit we can't use for their intended purpose.
Unfortunately, this platform is where majority of online sim racing takes place. All the other sims, excluding ACC, are proper incapable of producing good online racing. And ultimately, online racing is why people are on iRacing in the first place.
I had hoped Rennsport could dethrone iRacing, but the beta footage is looking woeful. And since iRacing competitors are too concerned with tech rather than providing the framework and platform that allows for great racing, I have just about no hope that anything will come along to dethrone iRacing for years to come. Unfortunately.
It’s like RC RACING
to many classes
It’s just about raising funds.
iRacing has financial incentive to sell new cars and make new series. The problem is that this incentive persists even if there's not the player base available to actually run that many series, and creates perpetual anxiety about buying into a given series and whether it will have the playerbase to be worth doing.
The odd thing is that iRacing has dabbled with a potential stopgap before. Time trials allow you to compete without needing to gather 20+ players to race at the same time, but they don't seem to have ever really done anything productive with the system.
I normally dont watch you as I disagree with a lot of stuff you normaly say and I tbh dont really enjoy your content. But from time to time I click on a video with the assumption I will close the window again after a minute, but this time I have to say: You couldnt have said it better. I agree with all of your words here! Its getting a bit ridiculous...just too much stuff
Don't forget that not all of us multiplay in iRacing all that much. AI now means that you don't need to compete with humans to get a pretty decent race with a very wide range of content.
iRacing has great ai but its tire model is so bad if a person is going to not race online it would make more sense for them to play other sims that are way more realistic and have way more cars and tracks to drive.
@@GamerMuscleVideos well I don't see too many options out there if stock cars, rallycross or dirt racing is your thing. I've never identified with your assessment of iRacing physics, but respect your opinion nonetheless.
I think you make some compelling arguments. I look at things in a slightly different way. I appreciate iRacing bringing out new content. Then I, as the consumer, can decide if I wish to purchase the content and attempt to enjoy it. We, as the consumers of the game, decide if we wish to stay with a current car and series or try something new. For instance as in you point with Skip Barber v the formula Fords, if the majority of the racers decide the Ford is more enjoyable to race, then those people will migrate to that series. iRacing makes a gamble as a company, I am sure developing a new car has a cost associated with it, that enough people will purchase the content to make their investment worthwhile. But we as the consumers make the ultimate decision on what we want. If the new content draws from an existing series, it means that those people wanted a change and probably enjoy it. Some enjoy the original series and so far, iRacing still offers the Skip Barber series for them to enjoy.
If your goal is to find close racing with many splits, you can still do that. Just look for what is popular and join in. It may be a different car and series, but you should be able to do so.
At least the game is evolving and attempting to stay current. With the investment most of us have made in our sim rigs, its nice to have a competitive environment with which to e enjoy that investment. All the other sims I have tried loose my interest quickly, but I still daily enjoy iRacing content.
You as a consumer get to spend more money to then have popular cars iracers enjoy be removed and replaced with something noone asked for SR10
You cas a consumer also get to enjoy worse racing with no splits with a bunch of cars due to them adding more and more cars so the joy is in then trying to guess what wont just die
If you have lots of disposable income and don't care about the pricing then sure it is what it is but normally when it comes to products price is a consideration and when the design of a product removes usability of a product then that's also a concern and against "consumer choice"
New cars do have a cost for sure and it depends on the cars and licences but other sims also manage to add cars that drive better / are equivlent in detail for much less cost or even free.
You don't want adulterated milk in your tea!