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That what you get for using a infamous person for views (and reference on how to make a villain more hate-able). XD
@@AL2009man Jesus I hope this was satire.
@_ _ his?
@@AL2009man He was saying the exact opposite you dunce. He is saying while genocide is horrible its inherently less hate-able because its impersonal.
Hermione: are you gonna kill me?
Voldemort: worse...
Hermione: expel me?
😂😂😂
...
Voldemort : I would certainly like to.
@Jolene Fu
Hermione: *slaps him in the face*
@@goodnight-moon564 *Rips off ron mask to find You Know Who*
Keep in mind, that’s legitimately something Hermione says in the Philosopher’s Stone.
“Now, if you two don't mind, I'm going to bed before either of you come up with another clever idea to get us killed. Or worse, expelled.”
Unique: "What does umbridge do to make her so hateable?"
Me: "hem hem*"
Dear god those 6 letters genuinely made me want to throw something
I feel like the “ “ you know what I can’t even type it....It’s really.....terrible....But I also think her interrupting Dumbledore was a BIG mistake.
Don’t do that. Just....... don’t.
2 words
6 letters
7 characters
That make me want to *scream*
Juomino In the books she clears her throat like that a lot, It’s her “signature thing” and it’s very annoying
The reason Umbridge is more hatable is because her character is way more grounded in reality. We all have experienced an Umbridge.
I got u to 69
Yea. We know voldemort is bad, but we've all met an umbridge, someone who abuses their power and makes us feel weak and powerless. That's why we hate umbridge more
The reason Voldemort wasn't as hate-able was because he never took anything meaningful. Umbridge did meaningful things with her time in the book. Voldemort's most meaningful accomplishments were all accomplished "off-screen". You can argue Cedric's death, but Cedric was just a heavily featured character in Goblet of Fire and very little else, nothing before then to get us as attached to him as Hermione, Ron, or even Neville. Snape's death came at the end of the story where everyone was still questioning whether or not he was actually a spy. Some people probably even thought "good riddance" upon reading/viewing that scene, if only for a moment.
Giving Voldemort a scene, an act, SOMETHING in which he actually, personally, and cruelly harmed a character we were close to would have grounded him, making us relate to, not his character, or the specific repercussions that come from having encountered him, but the general fact that he took something VERY precious and ground it to dust right before our, and Harry's eyes. It would have truly shown his cruelty, and given us a reason to hate him that felt as real as any reason could.
@@Rannulfus true. Meanwhile Umbridge cut punishment lines into harry's hand, openly mocked him with a career choice, had the equivalent of school boy bodyguards around her at all times, assaulted her students multiple times( room of requirement, interrogation scene, etc) and was overall a crass twat
Very true.
Voldemort is like a comic-book villain, wich is why he is more enjoyable and not as easy to hate as Umbridge. No matter how many evil deeds he commits, it doesn't fully eliminate the sense that he is a made up character, and that, what he has done can only happen to the characters living in his made up world, not to us.
There are countless amount of people who would do the same as Umbridge in our world, wich many have to face on daily baisis.
That's why she is alot more hated and terrifying, because she is real.
The funny thing is, this also lends more credence to their muggle-born wizard hating in the first place. Rowling never goes into why muggle-borns are hated so much, but for someone to just suddenly have an ability your ancestors carefully cultivated for centuries would be a genuine and half-believable motivation as to why they're seen to 'steal' magic.
@Punkin Juice No actual witch died in the witch hunts according to Rowling. When captured, they used a potion that made them immune to burning, making the fire ticklish to the skin instead. There were some wizards that let themselves be captured on purpose so that they could feel the tickling.
Besides, racism doesn't have to come from a place of logic. In this case, a sense of superiority over Muggles is the simpler answer.
very true
I can think of why muggle borns are hated. if u watched barbie princess charm school, there is one moment in the cafeteria where Delancy tells Portia (both princesses) how Blaire (the main character who was just a mere commoner at this time) makes them feel no longer special or rare. " Specialness is like this piece of cake, there's only so much to go around. If Blaire takes a huge chunk of it, what's left for us? " Were the words Delancy said. Basically some wizards especially purebloods take pride in how special they are, that seeing a wizard born from non-magical parents makes them feel unspecial.
ajkhsdkjasd asdasd really good point
Fanfictions dive far more into it.
When Cedric died I didn't cry when voldemort killed him, I cried when Cedric's dad saw him as all the happy music died out and all you could hear was him screaming over and over again that's my son. That made me break down into tears
-That's my son! That's my boy...-
BuzzyBea omg same! I didn’t cry per say, but I did tear up.....
Same, especially when Fleur saw Cedric and she screamed, and it really hit me when Harry came back and everyone was happy, with happy music playing in the background, until they realized what had happened.
That’s actually the only time I have cried over a movie
I didn’t cry at the films, I didn’t actually cry at anything in the films however the books just completely crush me.
"order of the phoenix spoilers" he says, proceeding to instead spoil the entire plot of goblet of fire
"Thank god i watched the fifth-"
Spoils the fourth
"Fuck"
Bum bum bum
At least he did it calmly.
We've been tricked, backstabbed, and possibly bamboozled
Goro Akechi unlike dumbledore-
Maybe like, as Ron visits Hermione in that hypothetical hospital scene, and have him remind her the the correct way to pronounce 'Wingardium leviosa', I think that coukd be a really sweet momment, andit adds on to Ron and Hermione's blooming relationship
Stop it, I'm gonna start crying
I can also see this as the biggest shade ever thrown at someone.
"Hey Hermione. *whispers* its levi-o-sa. Bitch"
@@cooldude2251 lmao yeah
that would be way too corny ngl
@@Reykh24 If it's too corny, maybe instead he has a painful moment on hearing her pronounce it exactly the wrong way he did before but says nothing.
My. Jaw. DROPPED when you had him cast obliviate. Omg that’s horrific
reminds me of how bad i felt that she had to obliviate her parents later on
I was NOT expecting that I thought he was gonna make him kill her off but that's even WORSE HOW DARE HE
Agree, it would be awesome and also force Harry to not just rely on Hermione
Dude same, I was like “oh my god that’s horrible!”
Same
2:51 Unique... :"What does Umbridge do to make her so hate able?"
Answer: She f$%king breathes
*khem, khem* i think her cough takes the throne
Also sending Dementors after Harry
💯
She cheats her way into dominance, not like our loved Emperor which could be seen as one of the most competent villains in film history.
@@panzerschiff9805 I'm honestly not sure who you're speaking of.
What a silly idea; everyone knows that Voldemort can only really cast one spell.
"Nyeeeeeeh!"
@@Murcielag0scuro hahaha, bro you kill me with that joke
As a hp nerd this statement is making me laugh and the urge to not get r/wooshed is too much...
@@youdontknowme5980 Avada Kadavra [insert m-word]
Yeah..."Uuuhaaavadaaa kedavra "
hearing the "obliviate" hurt me to my core. my heart legitimately dropped. that would make us HATE voldemort WAY more than umbridge, if you ask me.
Nice
69
*Me thinkingabout spamming Obliviate at Voldemort*
Nah umbridge is still worse.
@@dragor6527 Umbridge left both physically and mentally lasting scars on Harry, belittled teachers and students, and used her position and relation to the ministry to do whatever she wanted; she was overall scum, which is someone we all know and can thus connect to the characters’ experiences in Order of the Phoenix. But Voldemort (in this made up scenario) has taken away what is possibly the most precious thing Hermione has, her knowledge.
Think of the most important part of you, the base line for your self. Now what happens when that supporting block is suddenly taken away? Everything that was built on top of it comes crumbling down.
That is how Hermione would feel in this situation. And you, who has spent the last 5 books getting to know and love this character, will now watch the her fall apart.
This would make Hermione obliviating her parents in Deathly Hallows even more heartbreaking
She wouldn't get to obliviate them in this alternate timeline.
@@FedericoAOlivieri well if this happens in the order of the phoenix she would have the entirety of the half-blood prince to relearn magic in time for the deathly hallows. I think she could do it, especially because she is older and her body is used to doing spells that require more magic, even if her mind isn't.
Honestly her obliviating them at all was greatly messed up.
They were adults and she took a choice away from them.
She also presumably had no way to give them actual documentation for the fake lives they had, so they would have been living in Aus as undocumented immigrants
ALSO ALSO if she had died, or never been able to find them then in a way she killed her parents.
Umbridge is literally a magical Karen.
Yes
@@robloxegy2565 Lmao it was a joke. I don't know why you gotta be so salty about it.
@@chuxmecha6513 im also annoyed by the joke, fuck you
@@Sernival Stay mad lmao🤡
@@Sernival if ur annoyed, then scroll
Going off of this we could have had a scene in the hospital where Ron teaches Hermione
Wingardium leviosa
Swish and flick
Oooh no that’s so heartbreaking!
Genius! But unfortunately, JK Rowling is on the femenism SJW bandwagon and would never have a white man teach a woman anything.
I hate it. Put it in the movie.
YESSS. This could be a great way to develop Ron and Hermione’s relationship
And then Hermione should say “LeviosAAA” And then Ron could say, “Bloody hell, maybe I was right the first time”
Rowling admitted that Umbridge was based on a real teacher that she hated. Thus, she was able to convey her personal feelings through her characters and the narrative.
But she just hated her dressing sense, not her personality, she made that very clear.
I’ve always been terrified of the obliviate charm. After reading what it did to Lockhart, it made me realize the power of this spell, and it’s really fcking horrifying thinking that your whole memories, your whole life can be easily wiped away by anybody waving a wand.
That spell should be illegal as well. Being turned into a vegetable (it's a metaphore for losing all mental functions) is a (another) fate worse than death. At least its usage should've been highly regulated.
@@valtersplume3726 They should have had this instead of the Imperius Curse be one of the three unforgivable curses. Imperius in practice is more like a Jedi mind trick, Obliviate just ruins your mind completely.
The spell ties into my theory of Muggleborns. Basically a wizard sees a muggle they like the look of and uses Imperius, has their fun, then Obliviate where needed.
Yes, I think it should be recognized as Unforgivable. It is a mental rape. IMO it's worse than Cruciatus or Imperius, because Obliviate effects are irreversible.
@@ms-ht1cj honestly i think love potions are almost as bad an oblivate is way worse than avada kedavra because that one just kills you it doesn't leave you a husk of your former selves trying to remember to but not being able to remember who you are and why your even there
the reason we hate umbridge more than voldemort is because we've all had a really mean teacher and that makes it more relateable
that doesn’t explain why so many people like sn*pe.
Bold of you to assume I havent had an extremely dangerous wizard try to kick my ass for existing my entire life
jess i HATE snape.
Never had a mean teacher in my life. I still relate more to having a teacher like Umbridge than fearing Voldemort. What I'm trying to say is that I don't think it's about personal experience so much as it's about, eh, how easy something is to imagine and, like Unique said, Umbridge's very personal vendetta against Harry.
@@Hope-yd3gr FUCK YOU!
Umbridge could be anyone in the government today. We can distinguish Voldemort from reality but Umbridge hits close to home.
moonlight lanterns Umbridge is in the government. She took a polyjuice potion to turn into Pelosi
@@HogW1ld385 She didn't have to take much.
What she was teaching sounds a lot like the school system, does it not?
@@tuxedocatsocks8668 Exactly. Doesn't prepare us for what's really out there, and it's a load of sugar-coated bull
She can start off most basic as those strict principals
Are you forgetting the most hateable person in Harry Potter is the person who cast the explosion that killed Fred
Augustus Rookwood, I believe it was.
True
Wait, I finished all the movies and yet I've never seen Fred die, what the hell. I've only seen his ear get blown up
@@Nate-vn8xx the one with a missing ear was George lol
@@jadeuwu9860 o
Interesting as that scene could make things, it actually goes against Voldemort's character.
It's established at several points in the books that one of Voldemort's biggest follies is that he believes killing someone to be the worst thing you can do to them. It's why he fears death to the point of making seven horcruxes and why he believed his magic must have come from his father's side of the family (he saw his mother as being weak for having died in childbirth, ergo she couldn't be magic). To Voldemort, death is the worst fate imaginable.
Yeah but it's also what makes Voldemort a bit of a half assed villain at times. Everyone watching this video would understand that murder - the ultimate crime - is not necessary to make a brilliantly written antagonist in fiction. Umbridge doesn't kill on screen yet she's more hated. And because she's grounded in reality (power figures and authoritarian figures), we can fear her more as a concept too.
Voldemort believing death is the worst is actually why he's a less complex / less interesting antagonist. Even Bellatrix is more detestable because of this: because she tortured Neville's parents NOT to death but until insanity when they forgot their own son. That she killed Sirius is what gives her stake vs Harry, but we already hated her because of what she did to Neville's parents.
He murdered two people on screen.(The parents of harry potter)
@@failingeverything5793
What is this in relation to? lmao Everyone knows Voldemort kills Lily and James. Nobody is debating that Voldemort is horrible xD
And no it was not on screen. It's legit before Book 1, chapter 1 begins. The very definition of off screen as possible.
@@l.n.3372 "He believes killing someone is the worst thing you can do"
@@failingeverything5793
Um ... What is your point here?
Nobody here denies Voldemort is awful. But as a villain, we view Umbridge as a bigger threat cuz she's more realistically scary.
The HP series itself states that death isn't the worst thing. Harry acknowledged that Neville's parents suffered more because being tortured to insanity is worse: they'd be better off dead in some ways. The dementor kiss is also a fate much much worse than death because you lose your soul and sense of self.
If you pay attention unbridge is the only person aside from Voldemort to leave a scar on harry
yea i realised that it's really dark that only those two did it but Umbridge's one is way worse he had to deal with the pain of it while Voldemorts one he didn't felt it i believe but it was more important
Well technically there’s Petigrew too, as well as the basilisk.
@@haltjagged7783 the basilisk won did got healed by fawkes and did Peter did one to harry as well? i'm assuming half blood or order of the pheonix books as i haven't read those yet
edit:grammer
@@Stafarns Fawkes(?) healed the wound and the poison most importantly, but it still left a giant circular SCAR where the fang pierced through him. As for pettigrew the scar he gave him was from when he collected his blood to resurrect Voldemort.
Sorry voice command and I'm sick.
@@haltjagged7783 oh i thought fox's tears healed the scar and yea i remember the wound he gave but i think it healed
Umbridge: you are a liar
Harry: you are a nice person
Pyre Squire oof
BURNS
Unbridge: *demonic screaming*
Nice tokoyami pfp
Tokoyami!
This would've gave Hermione a great character arc
She did have one in the books with the whole spew thing that never got introduced in the movies.
@@arunsingla3452 it’s not “spew” it’s S.P.E.W.
I mean, it would also erase all of her character development up to that point and make her completely useless in future books. The idea has some interesting implications but I don't really like it from a narrative standpoint. If she doesn't get her memory back, the Heroine we got to know in all the previous books has been completely erased. But if she does, it lessens the impact of that scene by a lot.
Having the villian do something horrible to a main character sure makes them hatable but it's a pretty cheap way to do so. Keep in mind that we hate Umbrigde even though the things she actually did to our heroes are fairly minor compared to other villains in the series.
@@nobodyyouexpected You can maintain character development through memory loss even if in some stories that kind of brain injury is equivalent to a character death. For example there could be developments other than her spell casting ability that could be maintained. A similar and well known example would be the note book which is a story that rotates around memory loss, the memory loss erases half of the relationship which does not erase that story but instead contextualize it in a very melancholic and nostalgic way that is the main feature. It also highlights how you can use story telling devices to have your cake and eat it too. for example you could also have both Hermione's to an exten by having one Hermione expressed through old notes and secondary sources as well as the modern Hermione. My point is that it it can change as much or as little as it likes and by using a little creative story telling you can have as many combinations of that as you like. There's allot of space to innovate there.
@@DW-xw9pl Honestly, there really isn't much you can do with the idea, especially not this late into the story. We're at the end of the 5th book, and the narrative really needs to start focusing on defeating Voldemort. If Hermione can't help with that anymore, because she still lacks basic capabilities and knowledge about the magic world, she won't be featured much in the narrative anymore. The Harry Potter books aren't primarily about her dealing with memory loss, so her story would most certainly be sidelined by the main plot for the remaining books. Additionally, if you have the "old Hermione" featured in notes and such, you're basically treating her as a post-mortem character.
Yes, of course you can have great stories revolving around memory loss. But those stories tend to focus the entire narrative around the idea of memory loss. Hermione is not the protagonist though and writing this moment into this story 5/7th into the narrative, mainly because it'd make us and Harry "hate Voldemort more" isn't going to help Hermione grow as a character. In fact, it reverts her to a stage before the series even began.
I agree that this a very powerful moment, but so is any moment that involves killing or crippling a main character. And yeah, any such moment could have a variety of interesting implications later down the line. But don't delude yourself into thinking that you can have your cake and eat it too in this case. You're still putting an aprupt end to her entire character journey up to this point, turning her into a different version of the character that will most likely have a much smaller active impact on the main conflict.
I feel like it’s mainly because Voldamort as the main villain has motivation. He has a backstory, a purpose and a plan as an antagonist, which makes his character interesting
Umbridge is just a straight up nasty character who has no reason to make the students in hogwarts suffer. She just simply takes pleasure in abusing her title card as apart of the ministry, and acts like a superior
Voldamort doesn’t really give us as an audience a personal moment in order to fully hate him. Yes we sympathise with the protagonist, Harry every time he tries to destroy him and his loved ones, but it’s not enough compared to Umbridge’s character continuously provoking the protagonist and the audience to hate her
Voldemort is a nebulous evil. He exists but there is no personal connection. A bogart one might say. And while no as easily defeated he had about the same impact.
Umbridge is the personal evil. The petty evil that does what they do because they feel it gives them power. She is someone we can see on a daily, personal basis.
It's a bit like with Sauron. We never really care about his person, only fear what he could do next and how we get closer to defeating him. It does kind of play into the theme of losing your humanity. What we hate most are humans, because we live in a society, and people being fair is perceived as the natural and good way to act, which makes injustice committed by another human feel almost sacrilegious. We do not live in a society with non-humans and we don't expect them to be just.
Voldemort is very much framed in a light that highlights his lack of humanity: He doesn't love, he looks snake like and he's immortal. We see him as longer fully human, and thus as no longer fully capable of being just.
@@bradleytaylor7935 Also Umbridge actually succeeded where Voldemort struggled.
Umbridge did what no one else had really done at that point. She took over the school.
Sure Voldemort does it in book 7, but we don't really experience that AND he will always be the person who did it 2nd.
Umbridge kicked Dumbledore out, she took over, she instituted her own private army (the Squad). She ultimately succeeded.
"Just because you stole our brushes, doesn't make you an artist."
That kind of hurts.
No, nevermind, it REALLY hurts.
desired_effect that was a line I don’t know if I can forget now
I feel like I'm missing some context for that line since I haven't even seen a Harry Potter movie let alone read the books, but honestly as an artist its like, "You can still be an artist if you know how to paint with the brushes." I dunno, that really irked me.
@@hiraunia He's implying that she does NOT know how to use the brushes, and is basically saying that she is just a poser because she has brushes but is unworthy of using them.
Just because you can talk doesn't mean you are worthy of an audience, VOLDemort!
@@PlutoPlanetoid 🔥
edit: replaced " :fire: " with the emoji
"the death of one is a tragedy, the death of millions is just a statistic."
K, but why here.
Jed wisner Probably because we don’t hate Voldemort as much as Umbridge even though we’re supposed to fear him, and hate him even more than we hate Umbridge. When we see Voldemort, we are both supposed to fear him, and hate him, we don’t hate him but we do fear him.
Jed wisner I think of it as Kronos from the Percy Jackson books, we hate him for his words, the role he plays in the story, and the characters he killed. We fear him too because this is THE King of the Titans, a force so strong and powerful that it required hundreds of gods, and the 3 hecatoncheires to take him and his Titans down, this was a war that lasted 10 years. Even at his weakest, Percy still couldn’t fight him on equal ground. He wrecked everything, we fear him because he was so immensely powerful that Zeus pretty much shit himself when he learned that Kronos was rising, and this is the same guy who straight up dropped a mountain on Typhon.
K, but why the quote?
@@jedwisner6038 because it's directly related to the subject matter of the video and how villains are more hateable for objectively less severe crimes vs offscreen atrocities.
woahhh wouldn't it have been even more haunting since hermione later goes on to obliviate her parents
@1993DJC She does that in DH, this new scene in question would have been in OOTP
Hermione didn’t Obliviate her parents; she just altered their memories
@@cmd0317 In the film, she used the Obliviate spell, so I wouldn't blame them. I didn't even realize that in the books, she would have needed a completely different spell to accomplish what she described.
Ok I need to stop reading these comments I haven't even finished watching the first movie.
@@maksanimates4456 jflk:HSG:LHLDg im sorry you're reading the comments pls go finish reading the books/ watching the movies go go go cya
How to make any HP fan mad at you: "Hem hem"
I physically grimaced-
Thank you, blue miu iruma
I read that "-" in a horrible mocking voice and just- no
I literally said “please shut up” after I read this-
It's funny Umbridge is by far my favourite character.
Umbridge is a sexy stud muffin who I hear was once kissed by a dementor but sadly it died.
the most hateable character is that random death eater that killed hedwig
OK I GET IT YOU GUYS THINK IT WAS SNAPE
btw thats just a theory, not confirmed, but please stop replying saying it was snape its driving me nuts
A Hat worse than any other being
Preach! PREACH!!!
Yeah man fuck that guy
I was so shocked by that, it took me a few minutes to process what had just happened.
Rip Hedwig may you rest in peace
Technically Bellatrix killed Harry's dog. That dog's name was Sirius Black.
😭😭😭😭
This needs more likes, honestly...
You're a bad person, but I like you
Did you just
NO!!!!
"the best way to make the audience hate a character is to have them kill a dog" I mean, Araki's not wrong
Honestly, this is something I REALLY wish was in the films and books, Voldemort REALLY needed this cruelty to make us hate him and further see him as a threat and showcase some personality in than to just make him an obstacle for Harry.
.but I would add one more thing.
Ron joins Hermione and Harry and he was incapacitated by Voldemort after he rushes to Harry's defence.
And after Voldemort OBLIVIATES Hermione,, he uses the Imperius Curse on Ron to kill Harry which he almost succeeds had Dumbledore not arrived in a nick of time to block the Killing Curse
Mm... Seems extraneous. What does it do to Ron beyond make him a bit guilty for one chapter. It's the 'kicking the dog without reason' problem.
Edit: Sorry, I know this is two years late.
@@readsomebooks666 Does it have to be one chapter? What's wrong with giving one of the main characters a bit of an arc and motivation to help defeat Voldemort other than because Harry is his friend? Also, Hermione has been given too much attention; Ron deserves one. Now Harry is not the only one with an arc, Hermione has to deal with losing all her knowledge and no longer being the brightest girl of her age, and Ron has to deal with the guilt of not being strong enough to resist the curse and almost kill his best friend which furthers the insecurities he's always had. Voldemort is not a more threatening villain.
Also, no worries that its been two years 🙂
@@medalgear654 Ron’s already good motivation-wise. Voldy has been trying to kill his best friend for five years straight. I agree that he needs more attention, I just don’t think Imperio into almost killing Harry is it because it lacks a little. Maybe Imperio him into killing one of his brothers in a subsequent attack?
I was extremely shocked when he said Voldemort takes Hermiones knowledge away. REALLY shocked. I was not prepared for such a thought.
Bro same
I really felt that
Yeah, its just pure shock value and its sucks. Its pretty cliche as well.
Same... Why would anyone think of such a horrible thing?!
@@aquamarineancientsoul7893 what's so bad and/or cliche about it?
"The most evil man in history"
*shows Bob Ross, the purest man in history*
HE'S SCARY
🥺
No one can be that pure and not have something to hide.
@Luvjeet SINGH Huh?
@Luvjeet SINGH Okay...
Immediately i just thought
"voldemort just kills people"
"umbridge directly targets and breaks down his social life and environment, something we have seen actually on screen before umbridge showed up"
The reason why I hate Umbrige so much is because she literally forces children to commit self harm as A FORM OF DETENTION!!!!
Voldemort lacks character development because his soul is literally in pieces
Joseph Wolfson CUT MY SOUL INTO PIECES
THIS IS MY LAST RESORT
Voldi is seriously hard to be scared of when he does dumb sh*t. I mean yeah i would've scared of him but i would've scared of generaly every death eater be it incompetent or not.
At this point he is in shambels in literal and figuritive sense.
@@temkin9298 Bad English
@@SoakieCat You forgot to give the full stop.
B r u h
*Hermoine is frozen of fear and helpless*
He's going to use the Cruciatus Curse and torture her, isn't he?
*Wipes her entire memory of being a witch instead*
Oh wow, that's 400 times worse.
And it's with a spell that's a whole lot more common with witches and wizards since those department guys have it, it's a regular spell as opposed to one of the curses
Ponera Grimoire Making him Cruciatus her until she looses her memory like Neville’s parents would be worse.
Neville's parents didn't just lose their memory, they lost their sanity.
@Daniel Kantrowitz I mean Lockhart was slowly recovering,
Iror yeah but that’s because he botched the spell. And even then, while his memories are still gone his core character, of being a lazy narcissistic sleaze-bag was the thing that remained.
Maybe JK could make up some similar magical bull about how Voldemort half assed the spell,because she is muggleblood after all, meaning it could be reversed, even if only partly, with Phönix tears?
Also adds an added layer of heartbreak and implication when she’s forced to cast obliviate on her parents to make them forget her. It’s much harder and more painful because she is presumably doing for love the exact same spell that Voldemort cast to humiliate.
Oh damn,..I kinda wish this was cannon. I felt like hermione’s character actually went down hill after book 5, and I hated how dull Voldemort was. This would fix both problems and be amazing
for me, the reason I find Umbridge a perfect villain and sooo hate-able is that she is so real. I haven't met anyone like Voldemort, but I do have met several people that annoy me the way Umbridge does. I think everyone has their own Umbridge in their life and that might be the reason
Voldemort, in a way, is larger than life whereas Umbridge hits far closer to home and our own reality.
Umbrige is that sense of when you have abusive parents and you cant do anything but do whst they say and they csn csll you whstever they want snd punish you however you want and you cant do anything against it.
My umbridge was my stepmother.
Big oofs. Thats why i hate umbridge so much
@@pizzapie5356 Yes! This is exactly my take on it. It's that same dynamic of 'I can endlessly antagonize and torture you with a smirk on my face, punish you for things I know you didn't do, tell you that no one is going to believe you if you're thinking of speaking out, and there's nothing you can do about it'.
It does make it feel better when she gets dragged off for being a haughty witch... but then I remember that centaurs in legend kidnapped women Just like that to torture rape them too. Even if that didn't happen the idea is back there and will never go away.
Now *THAT* is evil! That moment might even have stolen the story. Sirius's death might have come second to Hermione loosing everything. Imagine book 6 with Hermione playing catch up and struggling. She remembers Harry n Ron but not the knowledge. By the end of the book she couldve aced her Exams above all others but its great character development. Voldemort is more hated too. Win win.
it be more evil if she forgot more than that, that she remembers who they are (ron, harry and her classmates) but not any memories or bond with them. So as if she had the memories of when she just got in the school, in her first year. It would be so painful for Ron and Harry. And they'd have to rebuild memories and a relation with her and she would need to relearn everything, which means she probably could not help at the beginning of the search for horcruxes
@@amaryllisnightingale6309 This would break and undo character development instead of making her undergo even more character development like in this version.
Sounds like an absurdly horrible tradeoff to me.
@@goji253 well if you think so :)
I see obliete (i think it's the spell name in english right?) as a little like an amnesia of which the memories you can't gain back unless the person completly botch it like in Gilderoy case. (sorry i think that bit is a little wrote weird)
I saw someone suggest that since she's desencding from muggles, the spell could have less impact on her, but I don't know, I don't buy it completly, it wasn't stated in the book. But maybe for that reason it could actually work? I mean it always depend on how the author convey it, it could end up actually cool.
When you think about it, it would have been a hard hit for the reader as well. Hermione is kind of a main character, but not completly, so can always go towards extremes like that. I read books were authors killed of characters like that, so yeah. Character developement can be sacrificied if it's for another character's developement, or for story wise.
We're just discussing ideas that won't ever be, so we can let ourself go. I don't fear ridicule, but anyway, thanks for the kind "compliment" :)
@@amaryllisnightingale6309
Obliviate is the name in the English version as far as I recall (having trouble with that too occasionally since some spells in the German version have different names too for whatever reason)
I don't think being muggle-born would change anything. The books make a point of how there is literally no difference between muggle-born witches and wizards and pure / half-bloods. At least when it comes to magical capabilities.
Sure it might serve as an even bigger emotional sting to the audience but from a writing standpoint, it causes more problems than it solves.
You'd basically take a character and completely undo their character development so that you have to do it all again but with a shorter timespan.
It's automatically less interesting because instead of seeing a well-known character struggle and deal with the impact of what happened, we basically have a mostly blank slate again that still has to establish relationships with the main characters.
And while yes you can sacrifice another character's development for the sake of other characters, it is most certainly not a good idea when said character is basically part of the backbone of the entire franchise.
Let's be real here. Harry never was an overly interesting character all by himself. All 3 of these characters shine the brightest together and breaking that apart so majorly seems like more of a negative impact on the story than anything.
Also, I was in no way trying to insult you with my "compliment" it was just meant to state how that idea might be very problematic.
@@goji253 Alright, "horrible" is a pretty negative word, but in that case i'll take it.
Obliviate does seem like the correct one. I also got some difficulty from time to time, as I speak french. We do agree for the muggle-born thing, I wasn't sure when I saw the idea at first, but yeah, it wouldn't work with the fact that in abilities, there's simingly no differences.
I think I do agree with the points you advanced. With how the story is at the moment, removing Hermione at the climax of the story would be non benifieciary. I'm still curious as to how JK could make work an idea like that, with a longer story. But that's just me ;)
As for Harry being not that interesting a character... sounds like an unpopular opinion, but I actually share it a little x')
Strangely, this makes him feel way more hateable but also more _likeable_ at the same time. While it's an extremely evil and personal thing that makes him a way bigger and more direct vilain, it also gives him a cruel sense of humour and a somewhat understandable motive. He did something that took him from a nebulous threat with not true attachment, to a very personal enemy but one who isn't just a force of darkness but a person capable of amusment and reason.
This twist on Voldemort would have been amazing to see.
Might be a little traumatic to kids though
I mean they showed harry getting tortured on the fourth book
please....kids are stronger than you think.
We got over the donkey scene in Pinocchio or the horned king in the black cauldron or even the pink elephants kids can handle and move one from this. Hell, the scene in Snow White where the Queen encounters the remains of an unfortunate prisoner, reaching out towards a jug of water. She mocks the skeleton, asks him if he's "thirsty?" and kicks the empty jug at him, declaring, "have a drink!" before cackling and shuffling off.
It always made me think how horrible it would be to die of thirst trapped forever in an evil queen's dungeon. The short scene freaked me out way more than it should have.
@@medalgear654 I've read original novel by Carlo Collodi on which Pinocchio film is based on (and which is miles better than Disney film) during my childhood which contains scenes such as (spoiler alert)
-Annoying talking cricket getting his head smashed by a hammer (he pissed Pinocchio off)
-Pinocchio getting his legs burned
-Pinocchio getting chased in a woods and then hanged on a tree
-Talking snake dying from too much laughter
-Infamous donkey transformation (and both of them transform into ones, not only candlewick, and stay forever)
-Pinocchio (in donkey form) getting drowned and eaten from his donkey-shelf by fish
-Candlewick dying from malnutrition and overworking on a farm
I've seen the scenes from 9/11, Beslan school attack (oh man...) and also a lot of scenes from TV crime magazine
And they didn't "traumatize" me in any way shape or form
Or perhaps I've been the tough kid
I really liked this. Voldemort does have extreme ideology but we don't have too many instances where we see it applied on a personal level.
AgentMarcx yeah he rarely gets to act like a real world bigot and fascist
voldemort isn't big on the ideology, just has it because he is the heir to slytherin. he only cares about killing harry who defied his power. he only cares about power
You can't form an emotional response to an abstraction. Something bad happening to "the entire world" is harder to empathize with than something bad happening to Steve. You know Steve, Steve has hopes and dreams, you feel bad for Steve, you know nothing about "the entire world" so it's harder to care.
Ok?....
Reaper my brain is too small I think
I like this because we got to see Voldemort cast something other than avadakadabra
Or the torchour spell.
I'm having a lot of trouble spelling today so I didnt write the actual spell :|
Everyone's Favourite non-French Baguette how do u have days where you can’t spell 😆
P.s u spelt torture wrong
OK to the people who can't spell, avada kedavra, crucio, torture
I mean Avada kadavara is a fairly multi-utility spell
Y’know, if you take away avada kedavra (or make it more difficult to cast) the other 2 Unforgivable Curses, Obliviate, Sectumsempra, and a bunch of other spells would seem a lot more terrifying
Hands down the best rewrite I've heard! It not only makes you hate Voldy, it also gives insight into his mindset. I don't think we really got any true exposition on his overall motivations in his Voldemort form, he only focused on his personal beef with Harry. Tom riddle sharing his motivations didn't hold the same impact imo because he hadn't yet led a cult towards genocide at that point.
Yeah right now Voldemort feels more like a plot device that gets the story going rather than a villain, the real villains are people like Bellatrix and Umbridge (who is supposed to be on Harry’s side goddamnit)
Next up: Making Umbridge as love-able as Voldemort
Impossible
*Kills everyone*
See? She's just a rando murderer lol she's fiiiiiine
Whelp good luck with that
Hahahahahahaha that’s a funny joke right there!
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit
"how do we make voldemort as hateable as umbridge?"
video: *make voldemort more racist*
I mean he already is supposed to be a pure-blood supremacist. This would just let that part of his character actually be important.
Edit: this is ironic considering he himself is a half-blood though lol
@Karl Shrimpbubblegum His father was a muggle yes, but his mother was a witch, he's half-blood.
Ahh yes, I can see it now: "He Who Must Not Be Named Cancelled Due To Five Year Old Problematic Racist Tweets."
Could he get any more racist?
@Karl Shrimpbubblegum that doesn't change the fact that Voldemort is a half-blood
Ngl gryffindor is the main house of the franchise but it does seem like the house kids would be placed in if they had no other house that matched them
SnApE, sNaPe, SeVErUs SnApe
(sorry i had to do that )
@@georgia2993 dUmBlEdOrE
@@cmd0317 RoN, rOn, RoN wEasLeY!
@@georgia2993 T W O T R U C K S H A V I N G S E X
that was what hufflepuff was canonically supposed to be but it seems gryffindor has filled in the shoes for hufflepuff.
in the Fanfic "The Arithmancer" when Hermione learns about the Obliviation spell in second year, this become her greatest fear.
Saw this video a while ago, but didn’t really agree with it. Now I figured out why.
Umbridge was really well written to be hated, as you said. But Voldemort wasn’t supposed to be hated. Harry even says he feels sorry for Voldemort in that scene.
Voldemort isn’t called He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named because we hate him. He is called that because we are supposed to fear him. He fills a different role in the story than Umbridge, which I think would be less impactful if we also hated him.
thats so cool i want to hear more!! what do you think his role is, then?
Well, what _is_ his role, then?
Does he stand for some sort of cathartic challenge Harry is supposed to overcome?
Interesting take. I think if that's the case, the best way to improve him would have been to change how every confrontation with him went. Harry shouldn't have 'won' against him, only survived. Make Harry, and by extension us, learn to fear him just as much as the wizarding world did.
In year 1, Harry shouldn't have killed Quirrel. If he had his magic love power, it should have been enough to keep Quirrel back, but he's still a wizard with a wand. Harry should have been running, doing his best to just not die. Dive through the fire and take burns to narrowly avoid a crucio. run past the troll that's waking up, only for it to die in one avada. weave through the chess pieces, only to get knocked down by a blasting curse. Maybe have Harry use the stone to block a killing curse, and that's what destroys it. Just before he gets taken out Dumbledore saves him.
In year 2 have it so Harry duels the snake, but he misses when he stabs it. He collapses, and fawkes drags him, ginny, and the diary upstairs. Dumbeldore once more is there just in time to destroy the diary. Nerf phoenix tears and make a chapter where Harry is in agony as the poison works its way out of his system. Make him almost die again. Make him beg Dumbledore to go down there with him to get his wand from where Riddle left it.
Voldemort's not in 3, and the encounter in 4 doesn't need much changing. Maybe increase Harry's panic since by now he's 0 for 2. Make it so by this point, Harry is calling him You Know Who, and Dumbledore can't make him stop.
In year 5, Let Voldemort takes out not just Harry, but the golden trio, maybe his entire group. Make it so Harry has no hopes of doing anything to stop him, make us believe that Dumbledore is the only one with the power needed, no matter what some prophecy says. That makes it so that when he dies, Dumbledore takes Harry's hope as well. Harry doesn't have a safety net anymore; if he faces You know who, its over.
In Year 7, make Harry force himself to start calling him Voldemort again. 'fear of a name only increases fear of the thing itself' Each Horcrux should raise his confidence just a bit. He's stronger than before. He doesn't need his mother's protection. He wouldn't lose to the diary anymore. He's strong enough that he could have won in the graveyard. Voldemort couldn't play with him like he did in the ministry.
So when he finally meets him one last time, he can look Tom Riddle in the eye and duel him on equal footing.
Thoughts?
@@MercuryA2000
Gruesome but powerful.
Would you give this young children (say, pre-schoolers) to read?
@@xCorvus7x thanks. I might have gone a little overboard, but the general outlines could be similar. Maybe just tone down the description a bit.
"What does Umbridge do that makes her so hateable?"
Exist.
*All Depressed ppl:*
That’s deep lol
Existence*
And she looks like a frickin flamingo, like the ONLY color she ever wears is pink. Like ur 50 or somthing, and all u wear is PINK?! At least throw in some purple or something
@@Phoenixtears222 yeah! pink is great and all but has this bitch ever heard of variety?
Voldemort is just evil for evil sake, while Umbridge belive wholeheartedly that she is doing it for the greater good...
No one belive they are the villian in their own story, only the hero...
DUDE. The dialogue you created from Voldemort is one of the most brilliant things I've heard in film analysis videos in a while: maybe the best in creativity. Well done 🙌🏽
That was so 🔥
-->Make Hermione a brilliant witch that sometimes fails in practice and thus can actually become relatable to every day people and potentially have an amazing character development
-->Make Hermione perfect in every way because Hollywood is afraid of making flawed female leads
And it makes Ron useless, which nullifies the Trio part of Golden Trio :((
And Dudley's hair was supposed to be blond and he was fatter
#stopronabuse
Aggelos M
she's such a shitty character
Because the former is difficult but posible but the ladder rewards in pointless brownie points that'll protect the movie from criticisms.
Slightly better: Voldemort possesses Harry a bit earlier and forces HIM to torture Hermione before forcing him to wipe her memories. Now you've destroyed Hermione and traumatized Harry even more so because he'll never be able to forgive himself for it. Which makes it even easier for Harry to walk to his death because Harry genuinely WANTS to die.
This works on multiple levels. Hermione, despite being panicky, also legit has no knowledge on how to deal with possession. It's different from Occulmency and Legimency. If this was a question on a test, she would be stumped, and would probably write, "Kill the possessed and hope the possessor dies too." A logical and objective answer.
But her theory breaks down even more if Harry were to attack her because she is not only scared stiff, she has no answers.
Meanwhile, Voldemort is whispering all of the justifications he's told himself as a result of his shame of being a halfblood. He's turning Harry into another him, literally filling his head with racist ideology and going on about how Hermione is just a thief.
The only flaws here are that Harry's platonic love for Voldemort would definitely stop him from hurting Hermione. I suppose Voldemort could be expunged from Harry and proceed to obliviate Hermione himself, but then we miss out on the moment Dumbledore and Harry share as he is possesed. And Dumbledore can't be there too early or he'll stop Voldemort from obliviating Hermione (unless he somehow fails to, but I can't see that happening).
I really love this idea except for 1 key issue: harry is resistant/immune to the imperious curse, as shown in Goblet of Fire, and in Order of the Phoenix, in the very same scene this idea takes place, Voldemort possesses Harry, but Harry fights him off. There is no way this would work, unfortunately
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Barty Crouch jr. already taught the 3 Unforgivable Curses tho.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx exactly my point
@@mythmage8231
And also to add more flaws to Voldemort's character is that he is a human no longer anymore.
He created so many horcruxes that he is but a husk of his former self.
I can already tell he's not that smart since Harry and the gang always outsmarted and escaped him everytime.
I feel like Tom Riddle would be more intimidating than Voldemort simply because he still looks human, and not like some sort of monster, which makes it worse in my opinion. He also hadn't failed or messed up with so many stupid mistakes yet.
I think one of the reasons many people hate umbridge more than voldemort is because umbridge resemblances that one aunt that always never believed you, that one that mocked you, that made your family never trust you
I literally have a aunt that think my two brothers and myself tried to kill her dog because some random little girl from distant family told her we were near said dog a little before he fell from the balcony
Also the dog survived
Wingardium Leviosa!” she shouted, waving her arms like a fairly ungracefully.
“You’re saying it wrong,” Harry heard Ron say. It’s Wing-gar-dium Levi-o-sa, make the ‘gar’ nice and long. It's quite simple, I'm sure you'll manage."
Sure enough, on only her second try, the feather began drifting above them.
Oh nooo but also yes
That. is brilliant!
;w;
Sad that the roles reversed and now Ron had to be the one to tell her how to pronounce it properly.
Oooooooooo that's good stuff
Dude if he wiped Hermiones memory, it would’ve changed *EVERYTHING*
It’s so horrible- like when The Joker paralyzed Barbara Gordon from the waist down.
She couldn’t continue being batgirl
Her life was *OVER*
She’d never be able to do one of the things she loved the most
Granted it’s worse because Hermione *could* technically learn everything again, whilst Barbara can’t ever walk again.
Honestly, I think there's an incredibly inspiring story in there. So Voldemort just took all of Hermione's knowledge. She realizes even first-graders outperform her now. She sees piles of her old books and can't recognize them. She can't even recognize herself. Her school notes read like those of an infinitely smarter stranger who is now dead. She learns about the future aspirations she once held, which she may never reach now. We skip ahead, 5 years later.
We learn that she just (re)graduated with top grades, and she's already preparing for the equivalent of a doctor's degree to become a professor. Hogwarts education is a measly 7 years and she could easily breeze through it in 5 or less, especially since she can freely skip subjects she won't need. Rather than reading up on random information (like devil's snare), she streamlined her learning, with the help of her old notes. Many people wish they could forget their favorite book/movie/videogame/tv series to experience them for the first time again. She got exactly that, because she constantly learns information for her enjoyment, not just for utility.
Random knowledge by itself is useless. Anyone with a phone has all of mankind's knowledge at their fingertips, but most don't do much with it. Hermione can research effectively, understand things quickly, structure information in her brain, memorize the few things actually worth memorizing, work hard, and apply knowledge creatively even under stress. In short, she can very quickly re-acquire and actually USE knowledge.
She proved that she's not just a walking wikipedia, and that there's more to intelligence than memorizing lots of facts. And there's more to Hermione than just being intelligent. It takes a great deal of personal strength to push through so much loss. She built herself back up, and to top it all off, she ENJOYED the process. She proved she's much more than Voldemort or even her fans gave her credit for.
TLDR is that Hermione will push through it and probably learn to like it.
Shame how joker turned Barbara into superman
With enough money, Barbara can walk again, and I'm pretty sure she does eventually.
Well, I mean, she does end up walking again through comic book tech magic
"woman in the refrigerator trope"
As I saw Uniquenameosaurus's "fanfic" play out in my head, I could feel my hate towards Voldy-baldy grow. Then I remembered cannon Voldy and my hatred deflated with a pop. Thank you for the rollercoaster that was my Wednesday evening
Another thing that adds to Voldemort's depersonalisation as a hated/ hateable villain, is the lack of a betrayal of our expectations.
Take Snape, for example: We find out that he was in love with Harry's mother before we find out that he's the one who relayed the prophecy, its contents and possibly its meaning to Voldemort. So, -for myself, at least- there was still hope that this man was nothing worse than a lovesick loner, which made -what we thought was- his revelation of villainous duplicity so much worse. (Sure, he ends up being pretty much Harry's saviour, but before that moment, I'm sure most people were writhing with anger.)
The same goes for Umbridge, as I'm fairly sure we're introduced to her before we realise that the Ministry of Magic are useless sods; this means that she's our first glimpse into the concept of Ministry workers _not_ being 100% on the wizarding general public's side, so our expectations of a helpful teacher prepared to do anything to keep her classes safe are brutally shattered.
The closest thing to this with Voldemort is his parentless childhood, which is instantly compared to Harry's. So, now we have a common ground that we can feel pity and empathy for this villain over, except that this was established _after_ we know that Voldemort is evil, which is pretty much the first moment he's mentioned, so our only expectations are that he's, well, evil.
If we found out the facts of his childhood, similar to Harry's, even down to the detail that they were both contributing factors to each of their mother' deaths, we might've expected Tom Riddle to lead a life quite like Harry's; we all know, of course, that he didn't as this information was handed to us on a silver platter, without any big, 'What!? He's EVIL!?' moment.
Probably doesn't make much sense, but yeah.
Oh come on, you missed the most obvious answer to the question:
All you need to do is have Voldemort kill a puppy. Or a Dobby. It's all the same for all I care.
But in all seriousness, even what you describe would not approach Umbridge imo. Umbridge is not horrible because she is cruel. She is horrible because she represents something far more terrifying than Voldemort. Helplessness before power. Voldemort is scary because he's a big bad, the guy going around murdering people and leading his own death cult. In a way, he is an abstract figure of all that is bad. But Umbridge is far more concrete to real life. She is not someone you can fight against by being brave or by having a magical scar that makes you a special magical snowflake. You can't beat her with knowledge or magical strength. She is the teacher, the ministry representative, the authority, the hidden face of justice turned upon you. She does not listen to your pleas, her eyes are blind to your truths and her will is unerring. Before her gaze you are left powerless, stripped of all the institutions that you have come to rely on.
And all of that behind the facade of all that should protect you.
In my opinion, her pink cat lady demeanor is the perfect representation of what she is. And Voldemort can never be that.
Damn, well spoken 👏
@@R0SYBLU3S thanks. :)
Flugene Gu you’re evil
That was a lot...
Yes i had that thought, but you spoke it better than i ever could
Voldemort may have power to kill, but Umbridge got power to rule, Voldemort is a One Man Army, Umbridge is the entire army
That Obliviate isn't an Unforgivable spell is one of the most horrifying things about the Potterverse for me.
Take what I have, Torture me, even kill me.
But steal who I am, take away what I've fought and worked for and leave some lost soul in my place, you've murdered me without the decency to do it properly.
Obliviate is pure evil, if it doesn't invoke existential terror in you, you haven't understood it.
I think this is because the concept of Unforgivable Spells came after the creation of that spell.
If they were created earlier probably more spells would be like that.
Altough I think that maybe the logic behind why it's "not that bad" it's because it's not permanent.
I don't really know if this is fanon, but apparently people would regain their memories on their own and there should be a treatment also.
Altough maybe if a powerful wizard did it it would be permanent.
I agree. When you think more deeply about Gilderoy Lockhart, he becomes quite a sinister character. He is depicted as a fool and fraud but he did some really despicable things. I think most people are more frightened of Alzheimer's than of cancer.
Also, they can't declare it an unforgivable spell because the ministry of magic relies too much on it to make the muggles forget the magic :)
What people don’t realize is that Obliviate has a counter charm to where it reverses the damage done.
Of course, the memory damage that can be repaired is in direct correlation to how powerful the witch or wizard who cast it. Example is when Voldemort uses the Obliviate charm on the house elf of the descendant of Hufflepuff and frames the house elf for poisoning her mistress. It took dumbledore to even gleen fractions of the truth from the elf from that night.
@@b_rant_gaming8835 gleen isn't a word
that was an incredibly powerful scene, well done, well written. the talk of theft, the paintbrush metaphor, mocking her bookishness as being obsessed with a fantasy. it takes everything dear to her and tells her she's bad because of it. and then taking the memories away would have been devastating. i'm not usually a fan of fan fics or "headcannons" but bravo.
This would also be a good note for Dumbledore teaching Harry, as Dumbledore argued with Voldemort that “there are things worse than death” and in doing this Voldemort accidentally proved Dumbledore’s point
SAY THAT VOLDEMORT IS WORSE!
“I’m sorry professor, I must not tell lies”
I'm-
Now I'm afraid that this scene will replace my memory about the actual book. That's really powerful stuff
It did for me! I saw this video a lot of time ago, and now i returned and had a bit of a confusion since some lines were way too familiar
I've been re-writing harry potter during quarantine and I think this might be the crown jewel. Thank you for this idea.
I'd love to read it
send me a copy
Just another example of the fandom being amazing writes
*compared Bob Ross to Voldemort as a joke*
RUclips: “You have committed crimes against Skyrim and her people."
I agree that this makes Voldemort easier to hate, but I don't think you are supposed to hate Voldemort. You're supposed to pity him. I also don't think Voldemort particularly cares about muggleborns personally. They're just a tool he can use to take power for himself. He's an indiscriminate misanthrope who's in it for himself. Him being relatively open about this with Harry improves his character in my opinion.
And I think Umbridge is hated more because she is so fake all the time. She puts on a simpering act of kindness that everyone in the room knows is fake, and keeps it up anyway to provoke them. She's a troll. Voldemort is somewhat sincere with Harry, with builds a sort of understanding between them.
You are right, even in the end Harry tries to forgive Voldemort and give him a chance to redeem himself. In a way, you can see that Voldemort and Harry are two faces of the same coin.
However, Umbridge doesn´t have that arch, because she chooses to be a bad person and enjoy it
Very true
"I'm sorry, but I mustn't tell a lie."
I agree with this, we even get flashbacks to his childhood and all that.
We see that he was basically the product of rape (love potions are coded as rape drugs in the books, specially because it's stated that even if they're called "love" potions they can't create true love).
So he was the product of rape and his parents never taught him how to love. Also because love potions are fictional JK. Rowling could add that they also create some sort of sociopath clildren without saying that all products of rape are like that.
Then you pity him because he was born without the capability to love a person.
@LemonJuice Don't worry, even JK Rowling wanted that because she wouldn't have created that centaur scene otherwise (it was an implied rape, look it up).
Literally gave me chills, that was so extremely well thought out, like, I can’t fathom what just happened. My god
Wow, that was absolutely amazing, a scene like that would have allowed for so much more depth for some characters. Very nice work.
"How can we take the most evil man in history..."
*shows bob Ross painting*
😞
😂
He meant a different painter with a certain moustache
@@Ch-ew9tm ah
angry mustache dictator
Video: Exists
J.K. Rowling with a time turner: Write that down write that down!
🤣🤣
And this is why Harry Potter came to be the best
bold of you to assume rowling gives a shit
Time turner travel wouldn't work like that...
Yes, I am that guy
@@Pizzanator-gp2bb me too
The hollow knight theme in the background.. Epic
It would also be brilliant because it would absolutely cripple Harry in his fight against Voldemort. Their victory was always a team effort which Hermione contributed greatly to. Harry and Ron would majorly struggle if Hermione ended up some basketcase at St. Mungo's or spent the 6th and 7th books playing catch-up on knowledge she should've already had. It would be devastating not just to Hermione personally but to the resistance against Voldemort.
Umbridge is one of two characters to have scarred Harry. If I remember correctly, by the end of the series, the only scar still visible is Umbridge’s. This pure evil character deals more permanent physical damage to the protagonist than the main villain ever did.
The scar on Harrys forehead is still there, but it doesn't hurt
@@thetimetraveller2671 And before he knew what it signified, he thought it was cool
Umbridge is that one substitute teacher who always shushes the class when no one is talking and also tells you to stop doing something you don't know you are doing in front of the whole class pff
she is tho
She’s the teacher who gave me detention for ‘being on my phone’ on the first day of class when I was actually just twisting a ring around on my finger
Edit: I changed from French to Spanish the next day, it’s now been about six years, and I still hate her
She's the teacher that got me into trouble for sharing crayons with my friend, poking already made holes in a barrier, "humming" even though I'm very quiet, and made me cry for being a liar (My teacher in 2nd grade, I was a fidgety kid and the barriers (Cardboard things that hid your answers)were used during tests, when I was very fidgety. They were destroyed and I was the only one who ever got into trouble for poking them with my pencil. She had called me a liar when I didn't fess up to the "humming". I don't get into trouble much so having her as a teacher scarred me).
I had a substitute who actually measured the sound in the room and said the thing shouldn't go over a certain number. Everyone whispering to one another was a higher number than the specified number. He wrote full page to our teacher complaining about how loud we were being. We were supposed to be working in groups on a project but he yelled even then.
Basically she's the Hogwarts term of a "Karen".
i've watched the entire harry potter "series" a few years ago and to be honest i don't recall much of it plot-wise. i do remember bits and pieces but most i remember characters and how they felt at the time. the feelgood uncle figure harry had, the annoying principal, etc, but i never remember voldermort as the "evil" guy. now with this twist i am sure i'll remember him for the rest of my life lol
"Let's see if she even picks up our books again now that she knows what she is."
I don't understand.
Voldemort was suggesting that Hermione might give up on magic at that point, having been put in her place. Taught by the Dark Lord that as a Muggleborn she can only steal the legacy of magic, but can never embody the spirit of a true witch.
Another way to word it would be "Let's see if I've broken her of her foolish notion that she can really be a witch at all."
@@SirRebrl Not to mention imagine the difference between learning about magic as a child and slowly learning about all it cools stuff vs suddenly awaking surrounded in a war with death cause by magic around you knowing only that with swish and a flik everything you studied so hard to learn that people have depended on you knowing just disappeared because of magic.
@@Waitwhat469 Traumatic af. Especially as she's clearly always placed high value on what hard work and study can achieve, but having it removed so casually totally undermines that sense of value. To be able to labor for years, even getting a Time Turner to study _harder than anyone else,_ then just... swish, flick, all gone bye-bye undone practically in an instant.
I genuinely felt like you were reading the book to us rather than something you’ve wrote yourself. That was beautifully crafted, hats off to you, you got my respect there!
That's a character development of him that wouldn't make it so easy for Harry to defeat him.
Now he doesn't see death as the worst thing anymore he would suddenly understand what caring means. Because he obviously wants to hurt Harry with that and not exactly Hermione.
Voldemort sadly is build as that chaotic evil with death as the ultimate evil.
And that's just not hateable enough because we know he technically has no other choice.
Umbridge as that lawful evil always has a choice.
I have to disagree with you there, but that's strictly because he's done more character development for Voldemort in an 8 minute video then Rowling did across 7 books. It's hard to see this as in character for Voldemort, or how he would even speak, cause he just doesn't have that much screen time.
@@perryborn2777
yeah pretty much this.
But Voldemort as a Character isn't allowed to have to much development.
Because it would change the entire dynamic.
Voldemort would just kill Hermione in that situation if he wants to punish Hermione. Not if he wants to punish Harry.
He also doesn't care as much about pure bloods. He isn't one himself anyway.
the Pure Blood thing is merely a thing to manipulate his servants. He himself only understands Power.
Obviously magicians have much more power than non magicians. (well for him anyways)
Dying is the ultimate punishment. obviously because dying means you weren't powerful enough to survive.
Also because he probably has a fear of dying.
from a version of jk rowling who bothered to develop her antagonists
I haven’t even watched the video yet, but this is simple. Have _him_ kill Fred instead of a random exploding wall.
Copper Candycorn genius
Copper Candycorn Augustus Rookwood killed fred. Not some "random exploding wall".
Chrisbrei} Yeah, but he blew up a wall, and Fred died in the explosion. I was trying to sound funny in my comment. Besides, all we have supporting that is the fact that in the book, Percy attacked Rookwood right after Fred’s death. It never directly states that he’s the one who made the wall explode, although Percy seemed to think so.
And have *him* kill hedwig instead of that random death eater kill hedwig
Have him do that and refuse to kill his brother too.
Holy hell, this was INCREDIBLY good. I am ACTUALLY infuriated at Voldemort now, and I know he never even did this. It's just so fitting with his character that he would do that. That is REALLY cool.
Araki: the best way to make a villain hatable is to have them kill a dog
Also Araki: kars
This would have been great, but I would have had Hermione snap out of it at the last second and raise her wand, only to have Voldemort be quicker when casting obliviate. It would make for a more powerful moment and be slightly more consistent with Hermione’s character.
agreed, thanks for the idea.
Agreed. I feel like a lot of this happened "behind the scenes" and we just didn't see it.
“How could you take the most evil man in history”
**Shows clip of Bob Ross**
You wot mate?
He's the reason OP's original video got demonitised.
@@13vatra thanks, I was really confused.
At first I didn't know that the video was demonetized for angry-german-moustace-guy and that being why it showed Bob Ross, so I just thought it was a joke
Poor Bob Ross. Happy painter's visage being used like this :/
"Its brutally evil to permanently scar and mutilate someone over something that isn't even true" *looks down at my circumcision scar*
Nicely done. It could certainly use some polish, but that’s a very good foundation to make Voldemort deep enough to be truly hated.
Unique: ‘The most hateable man ever’
Also unique: **Shows the least hateable man ever**
But he showed Bob Ross, not Mr. Rogers.
@@imveryangryitsnotbutter
Let us be real. Both of those men are positive shining examples of what good people can do. Neither are better than one another, and they aren't perfect but they are damn close.
I think in the original upload he used dumb moustache racist german man and got demonetized so he changed it
@@hhh-bu3qj Yes, or some other historical figure wielding the power of a Eurasian state. the angry painter isn't the only one, the angry choir boy with a bum arm could've been a choice.
I feel like if this had actually happened, you could add more characterisation to Snape, him wanting to see the know-it-all he had seen in class again.
Or him using Legilimency to restore her memories and helping her relearn magic faster then if it was st.mungos healers .
It's a neat idea, but keep in mind, Voldy probably knows Snape is a skilled legillimens, so if suddenly Hermione relearnt all her knowledge that easily, he'd probably be able to narrow it down to either Snape or Dumbledore, as both are very proficient at Legillimency. Granted he'd easily suspect Dumbledore more than snape, and the only reason he'd suspect snape at all I think would be because he's a legillimens, but if he did that, somebody would undoubtably find out, and that could be told to voldy.
That would have made his redemption at the end more convincing. I didn't have any problems with it, but I know a lot of people did.
@@willaverynerdyclarinetist6131 I think that Snape being a legillimens might even possibly be hidden from Voldy too... I had assumed it was taught to him by Dumbledore or he had not naturally like Queenie
I need this in a fic yesterday
Umbridge is worse because she is phony, pretending to be righteous while everyone knows she is evil without anyone being able to do something about it. Also, her abuse of authority is much more relatable than Voldemort's cartoonishly heinous acts and thus hits home harder.
The reason Voldy isn't very hate-able is because he's such a meme
Dio is the king off all the bastards and a memelord on the side
So... what you're saying is, Hermione was right.
"We could've been killed. Or worse: EXPELLED"
I laughed at this quote... I was wrong... Definitely worse to have been basically expelled because your entire memory of being a witch was wiped.
@sluttyMapleSyrup
Thats COLLATERAL DAMAGE to her character!
@sluttyMapleSyrup
The Obliviate spell is quite dangerous though when pointed at muggles.
You can just Protego it as a Wizard because its not as powerful as the Unforgivable Curses.
I actually lost my memory 6 years ago because of being depressed and getting pushed around too much by the school system at the private.
I just wanted to at least tolerate it and turn a blind eye but I guess I was too bruised on that point in time.
Wait did that happen to Hagrid?!
oh my god and then that quote would be like foreshadowing
Voldemort: I am the most vile, most hated person in the world!!!!
Umbridge: Put away your wands there will be no need for them, and pull out your books.
Voldemort: I stand corrected.
Those words you put in voldemorts mouth are so fitting! I absolutely love it.
It is the perfect torture to hermione and by extension to harry.