"This has one function and that's be ADORABLE!" spot on! 😅😆👌🏻 love that lil trombone! Brilliant! I'd probably put the bass in S tier too! Good stuff! 😎👍🏻
Marching Trombone? I'm pretty sure that came from someone messing up a baritone design and just passing it off as something new so they didn't get fired.
Nope. The marching trombone (flugabone) originally came from the Cellophone back in the day. Back in 70's Drum Corps, The Phantom Regiment Drum and Bugle Corps wasn't satisfied with the already existing low brass that companies had to offer. They wanted something that sounded similar to a cello. They got in contact with DEG, and the DEG II Cellophone was made. This was practically a baritone bugle in G with only 2 valves (Although a few with three were made). They sounded very similar to a small tenor trombone. I've had the chance to play both the two valve and three valve versions in person, and they're honestly pretty trash. They feel wayyy too stuffy and sound very buzzy if I can even describe it that way. King saw this, and later on decided to cut it down to Bb and add another valve, and the King 1130 Flugabone was made, although Conn did have another version they made. I'm not sure where the whole thing about passing it off as something new came from. Around the time though, some companies that did produce bugles were afraid to invent new variants of bugles due to backlash from the community IIRC, which is why ridiculous names like "Alto-Soprano Bugle" were a thing.
Wow I didn't know there are so many different types of trombones! Cimbasso looks interesting.. would that maybe be easier to slide vertically..? Poor valve trombones 😢🤣 slide is like the coolest part that defines the trombone 😇 also look forward to your video album :)
THANK YOU! The slide is definitely the best thing about trombone ♥️ The cimbasso to me is kind of a tuba with trombone piping, haha. It's got valves (ew) but it looks and sounds so cool!!
Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but the lead pipe arrangement on a slide trombone is very different from the slide trumpet. So, technically they are not the same thing but to be honest even after 54 years of trombone playing I still can't hear a difference. I agree with you on the valve trombones. The marching version should not be called a trombone, then it would be fine. Call it a marching tenor .. or something like that. Great for paying on a Santa Clause parade float. The Cimbasso is a valve contra-bass trombone (usually in F). It rates way higher in my book than a a valve tenor trombone. Kind of like a small tube with way more snap. Fun video, thanks!
I was wondering about this very issue, I looked up sax found 4 different types. Thank you for giving us all information on this issue and you did it with humor, love the expressions. Funny
I totally agree regarding the valve and flugelhorn. The cimbasso I think sucks as well, but I get your point. Here in Mexico, however, it is the valve or "Traitor trombone" as one fellow put it.
The bass trombones typical today usually have an interior slide bore of 0.562 of an inch. The typical Bb/F symphony tenor trombone usually has a 0.547 bore size. This is also called "large bore". The usual size you see in hands of trombonists for jazz bands is a 0.500 bore or "medium" bore. Back not very long ago, the King 2B sized horns were common, and these have a bore smaller than 0.500 bore. Thus, you would call that horn or a Bach 6 or Bach 8 a small bore horn. They are common in studios, and with some jazz performers. There are some odd types of horns, like you mention like Cimbasso, or Alto trombone (not uncommon at all in professional symphony work, where much of the literature really calls for alto trombone). I, myself own a King 2B, a Conn Constellation (0.500 bore), a Bach 16M (0.508 bore) and a Bach 42B (0.547 bore) with the traditional closed wrap. Another interesting issue in bore size and shape is the idea of a DUAL BORE. The King 2B is that type of horn. The two hand slide tubes are NOT the same diameter inside. One, the top set of slide tubes is SMALLER, and the lower set is LARGER. This changes the feel and sound a bit, and it is useful, I believe for it's tonal flexibility without having to push too hard to change sound quality. The "German" trombone also typically has a very larger bell and a dual bore like this. There are very few orchestras still using this type of trombone. I believe this choice can set the orchestra apart and make a more interesting effect overall.
Jokes on you, the valve trombone is more famous than the slide trombone here where I live. (We have to specify that it has a slide to know it is a slide trombone)
The marching trombone I didn’t even know that existed is basically just a melophone and I play in the marching band where I live. I play a regular old B-flat tenor trombone no fancy marching trombone nor do I want to like I said that thing is just a mellophone that might be slightly bigger.
I'm curious to see how this list would change if you were to rank the instruments by their timber rather than form. As a euphonium player, I occasionally needed to play the baritone or valve trombone to change the tone of the piece.
So I use a marching trombone as my bass trumpet. It gets a really nice sound, maybe I'll use it in an upcoming video and perhaps change you mind to at least make it onto the list.
So what about the Superbone and the Firebird? Both have valves AND slides. They are the brain children of Maynard Ferguson & Larry Ramirez, sure, but the current version of the Superbone by Wessex is sized more like a tenor trombone whereas the original version has bore sizing closer to a trumpet. The Firebird is the trumpet-sized version of the Superbone. Also, I can’t hate completely on the valve trombone as it’s used in Mexican banda music, which as person of Mexican descent, I do love. But otherwise, I don’t have much use for one. Even my trombonist son doesn’t want one. Lol
Oh, whoops. I have several 4-valve trombones with rotors. They were designed for the opera pits (no hitting the flute player in the back of the head in a tight orchestra pit) and for military parades, primarily in Europe. I also have one that's of historical significance that has verified provenance. I guess that makes me a loser. Bunch of F's...... sheesh.....
I am SO sorry lol! I promise my silly opinion does not affect you, haha. Those instruments sound pretty neat actually, and I’m glad someone gets good use out of them!
I’m curious as to the historical provenance of the 1 instrument you mentioned. I promise I won’t track you down and steal it for my trombone-major college student. Lol 👀
@@cnjalvarez4 it's a signed Pavel Zalud with a Thereseinstadt engraving on the garland. You can read about the history of all that easily. There's a good writing on it called "Zagrow, the River of Childhood".
The superbone is missing. James Morrison explains why that instrument is so much fun. ruclips.net/video/x-6nZZrs9Xk/видео.html I think there is nothing wrong with the valved instruments as long as you have a trigger.
I am sure when you say “slide”, you mean moveable slide because a valve trombone also has a slide but it doesn’t move although a superbone has both a slide & valves but the slide is moveable!
Here in México many players opt for the valves trombone but because of lazy people who don't wanna struggle with slide positions, and also because the dumb "Corridos Tumbados" singers put these instruments on stage...🙄 I also agree, why taking the best part of a trombone to replace it? 🤷🏻♀️
I was definitely educated about valve trombones being used there! I’m definitely not opposed and think it’s a cool instrument…it’s just more of a flugabone than a trombone in my opinion haha
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You forgot the superbone!
What about the double slide contrabass trombone
5:30 YES THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE TRAITOR TROMBONE! Darn you, buttons! - Daniel
This is the way.
How I felt when My Friend on Baritone said he would play trombone in jazz but pulls out the valve bone
piccolo trombone, that's all im going to say
I was half expecting all trombones to be s-tier with the exception of piston valves
"This has one function and that's be ADORABLE!" spot on! 😅😆👌🏻 love that lil trombone! Brilliant! I'd probably put the bass in S tier too! Good stuff! 😎👍🏻
"Don't put valves on my trombone" haha
Putting valves on a trombone goes against nature!!!!
Marching Trombone? I'm pretty sure that came from someone messing up a baritone design and just passing it off as something new so they didn't get fired.
LOL right? (I mean, it does have a different sound but valves….ew haha)
Nope. The marching trombone (flugabone) originally came from the Cellophone back in the day. Back in 70's Drum Corps, The Phantom Regiment Drum and Bugle Corps wasn't satisfied with the already existing low brass that companies had to offer. They wanted something that sounded similar to a cello. They got in contact with DEG, and the DEG II Cellophone was made. This was practically a baritone bugle in G with only 2 valves (Although a few with three were made). They sounded very similar to a small tenor trombone. I've had the chance to play both the two valve and three valve versions in person, and they're honestly pretty trash. They feel wayyy too stuffy and sound very buzzy if I can even describe it that way.
King saw this, and later on decided to cut it down to Bb and add another valve, and the King 1130 Flugabone was made, although Conn did have another version they made.
I'm not sure where the whole thing about passing it off as something new came from. Around the time though, some companies that did produce bugles were afraid to invent new variants of bugles due to backlash from the community IIRC, which is why ridiculous names like "Alto-Soprano Bugle" were a thing.
Marching "trombone" is just a bass trumpet. Disqualified!
Wow I didn't know there are so many different types of trombones! Cimbasso looks interesting.. would that maybe be easier to slide vertically..? Poor valve trombones 😢🤣 slide is like the coolest part that defines the trombone 😇 also look forward to your video album :)
THANK YOU! The slide is definitely the best thing about trombone ♥️ The cimbasso to me is kind of a tuba with trombone piping, haha. It's got valves (ew) but it looks and sounds so cool!!
Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but the lead pipe arrangement on a slide trombone is very different from the slide trumpet. So, technically they are not the same thing but to be honest even after 54 years of trombone playing I still can't hear a difference. I agree with you on the valve trombones. The marching version should not be called a trombone, then it would be fine. Call it a marching tenor .. or something like that. Great for paying on a Santa Clause parade float. The Cimbasso is a valve contra-bass trombone (usually in F). It rates way higher in my book than a a valve tenor trombone. Kind of like a small tube with way more snap.
Fun video, thanks!
I was wondering about this very issue, I looked up sax found 4 different types. Thank you for giving us all information on this issue and you did it with humor, love the expressions. Funny
Right, and there's even a tenor saxophone in C! I like seeing all of the wild instruments out there!
🤣NO ...(PAUSE)!😂
I loved your honesty in critiquing. 🥰
I totally agree regarding the valve and flugelhorn. The cimbasso I think sucks as well, but I get your point. Here in Mexico, however, it is the valve or "Traitor trombone" as one fellow put it.
I thought S stood for Superb? (I should know. I'm a gamer)
Why not haha
The bass trombones typical today usually have an interior slide bore of 0.562 of an inch. The typical Bb/F symphony tenor trombone usually has a 0.547 bore size. This is also called "large bore". The usual size you see in hands of trombonists for jazz bands is a 0.500 bore or "medium" bore. Back not very long ago, the King 2B sized horns were common, and these have a bore smaller than 0.500 bore. Thus, you would call that horn or a Bach 6 or Bach 8 a small bore horn. They are common in studios, and with some jazz performers. There are some odd types of horns, like you mention like Cimbasso, or Alto trombone (not uncommon at all in professional symphony work, where much of the literature really calls for alto trombone). I, myself own a King 2B, a Conn Constellation (0.500 bore), a Bach 16M (0.508 bore) and a Bach 42B (0.547 bore) with the traditional closed wrap.
Another interesting issue in bore size and shape is the idea of a DUAL BORE. The King 2B is that type of horn. The two hand slide tubes are NOT the same diameter inside. One, the top set of slide tubes is SMALLER, and the lower set is LARGER. This changes the feel and sound a bit, and it is useful, I believe for it's tonal flexibility without having to push too hard to change sound quality. The "German" trombone also typically has a very larger bell and a dual bore like this. There are very few orchestras still using this type of trombone. I believe this choice can set the orchestra apart and make a more interesting effect overall.
Yes, I have a King 2B silver-sonic from the 60s - great little horn. I play it in the local community jazz band and concert band.
F in the chat for the medium bore trombones
Jokes on you, the valve trombone is more famous than the slide trombone here where I live. (We have to specify that it has a slide to know it is a slide trombone)
I have definitely gotten schooled recently on valve trombone! Banda music, maybe? :)
You forgot the Maynard Ferguson “Superbone” a combination valve & slide trombone, the ultimate trombone!
In addition, there is a fluglebone!
I did, I did 😂 I actually have a friend who has one! It’s ok haha
the “marching trombone” is literally just a baritone 😑
RIGHT?? lol. I know it’s because the marching bone is cylindrical but it just doesn’t feel right!
The marching trombone I didn’t even know that existed is basically just a melophone and I play in the marching band where I live. I play a regular old B-flat tenor trombone no fancy marching trombone nor do I want to like I said that thing is just a mellophone that might be slightly bigger.
how about a slide and valve trombone?
And the valve trombone was the trombone of the future in the 19th C. 😨 Thank God Arthur Pryor saved us.
I'm curious to see how this list would change if you were to rank the instruments by their timber rather than form.
As a euphonium player, I occasionally needed to play the baritone or valve trombone to change the tone of the piece.
That’s a good question! I always did love the bite of a good loud trombone, so maybe some lower bones would have been closer to the top!
So I use a marching trombone as my bass trumpet. It gets a really nice sound, maybe I'll use it in an upcoming video and perhaps change you mind to at least make it onto the list.
Hahahaha you can try! If you call it a bass trumpet I'd be more open to the idea :D
@@AllisonMartinthe fact that its called a marching baritone
Makes me wanna do a flute tier list lol
I would 100% watch it! I'm sure I don't know what all flutes there are out there, so that would be really interesting...
Grrrr Basstrombone should he SSS+ 😾
So what about the Superbone and the Firebird? Both have valves AND slides. They are the brain children of Maynard Ferguson & Larry Ramirez, sure, but the current version of the Superbone by Wessex is sized more like a tenor trombone whereas the original version has bore sizing closer to a trumpet. The Firebird is the trumpet-sized version of the Superbone.
Also, I can’t hate completely on the valve trombone as it’s used in Mexican banda music, which as person of Mexican descent, I do love. But otherwise, I don’t have much use for one. Even my trombonist son doesn’t want one. Lol
Oh, whoops. I have several 4-valve trombones with rotors. They were designed for the opera pits (no hitting the flute player in the back of the head in a tight orchestra pit) and for military parades, primarily in Europe. I also have one that's of historical significance that has verified provenance.
I guess that makes me a loser. Bunch of F's...... sheesh.....
I am SO sorry lol! I promise my silly opinion does not affect you, haha. Those instruments sound pretty neat actually, and I’m glad someone gets good use out of them!
I’m curious as to the historical provenance of the 1 instrument you mentioned. I promise I won’t track you down and steal it for my trombone-major college student. Lol
👀
@@cnjalvarez4 it's a signed Pavel Zalud with a Thereseinstadt engraving on the garland. You can read about the history of all that easily. There's a good writing on it called "Zagrow, the River of Childhood".
Why you put three valve trombone on F, you can play ur fav corrido on it like AMG and PRC
I can't believe you have things ranked lower than a sopranino 😢 Doing the valve trombone dirty like that!
Don't worry Eric--it's obviously just envy because I can't play any of those hahaha
The superbone is missing. James Morrison explains why that instrument is so much fun.
ruclips.net/video/x-6nZZrs9Xk/видео.html
I think there is nothing wrong with the valved instruments as long as you have a trigger.
Ok... I haven't heard of a couple of those.. interesting. Bottom line, if it doesn't have a slide, it's not a trombone and is not worthy..
THANK YOU!
I am sure when you say “slide”, you mean moveable slide because a valve trombone also has a slide but it doesn’t move although a superbone has both a slide & valves but the slide is moveable!
Here in México many players opt for the valves trombone but because of lazy people who don't wanna struggle with slide positions, and also because the dumb "Corridos Tumbados" singers put these instruments on stage...🙄
I also agree, why taking the best part of a trombone to replace it? 🤷🏻♀️
I was definitely educated about valve trombones being used there! I’m definitely not opposed and think it’s a cool instrument…it’s just more of a flugabone than a trombone in my opinion haha