Alan Turing the father of modern computing is on the british £50 note. Incredible that the very machine you are using to react to a film about him can be traced back to his achievements.
Alan Turing as portrayed here is meant to have autism, basically meaning taking stuff as it’s said, lacking social skills, and finding his hobbies are more interesting than other people, very broadly speaking. And I love people who think differently, also having autism myself, “normal” people are so boring. And one of my favorite quotes is “nobody ever made a difference by being like everyone else”.
I think the best part of Turing on the £50 note is the quote: “This Is Only a Foretaste of What Is To Come, and Only the Shadow of What Is Going To Be”
Ironically; the German company that produced the Enigma machine filed a patent in Britain in 1924 with full wiring and "default settings." The British, presumed; sensibly (but incorrectly) that the Germans had changed the default wiring (changing your password from: "Password1234"). None of this devalues the Bletchley Park team's accomplishments. It was an incredible feat of intellect (while they downplay the contribution of the other members of the team that aren't Turing, as he is the main character in this story). Watch "Das Boot" after this film; it was a German made film that intimated that German naval officers were beginning to suspect that Enigma had been cracked. I forget who coined the axiom: "What won the war was: American steel, British brains and Russian blood..." A huge industrial complex, exceptional intellects and the suffering of innumerable waves of conscripts.
Apparently Alan committed suicide by taking a bite out of a poisoned apple. (Snow white vibes anyone?) When Steve Jobs was asked if the Apple logo was a tribute to Turing, he said "no, but it damn well should of been."
Apparently there is a memo from Churchill that he wrote after a visit to BP, as there were requests for more funding. The memo simply read, 'Give them what they want.'
Just to answer the bit about Churchill allowing a convoy to be attacked and people killed. This occurred in the bombing of the city of Coventry when Churchill new that the city was about to be bombed and he had to allow it to take place to prevent the Germans from knowing they have broken the enigma code. the cathedral of Coventry (its ruins) has been left standing as a memorial to the people who died during the bombing.
That is total nonsense. The mass bombing of Coventry occurred on November 14 1940. Enigma was broken on July 9, 1941. Stop making stuff up to sound knowledgeable and intelligent.
Benedict Cumberbatch was nominated for an Oscar for his portrayal of Alan Turing in this film. However, he was up against Eddie Redmayne as Stephen Hawking in The Theory of Everything for the Best Actor category, and Eddie Redmayne won. Both actors attended the most prestigious schools in the UK. Cumberbatch went to Harrow. Redmayne went to Eton (and was in the same year as Prince William).
@@BabaGoesHollywood- It is the equivalent of going to very elite private high school here in the U.S. St. Andrews in Delaware is one of those schools.(filming location of Dead Poets Society)
He has finally got some respect as his portrait is on a £50 note in the UK. Also my where I work university named one of its buildings a few years ago, fittingly the Maths/Science centre.
An interesting Charles dance fact... His Father Walter was born in 1874 and had him at age 72. Chalres had a daughter in 2012 aged 66. Her grandfather was born 138 years before her.
It wasn’t just London my dad (aged Eleven )and his younger brother sat under a table during the Sheffield blitz 12 Dec 1940 their mother was not there she was across town and came back the next day. They were made of sterner stuff back then. He never mentioned it, his brother my uncle told us about it a few years before his own death.
My dad was evacuated during the war, he was sent Wales and learnt to be a blacksmith. Then when he was conscripted he drove trucks around europe and was stationed near Belsen. He hardly ever talked about that bit.
Actually it was originally rejected by the government because they tried to say that within that time it was still illegal and he knew it was so they wasn’t going to pardon him. The only reason this got overturned was because millions of people went mad and a petition was made once again and it pressured the government to actually pardon him which is why they ended up asking the queen to pardon him in 2013 if it wasn’t for all those people signing the petition and basically pressuring them I reckon it would have never happened. Honestly he was a hero and he could have done so much more for our country if the world wasn’t so ignorant back then.
Nice one KB, my mum had her 99th birthday this week, which included her giving a talk on her minor part in the war effort, having joined the Air Force in 1942 (where she learned to drive). She mainly worked with photo reconnaissance squadrons whose interpretation was concentrated at RAF Medmenham - a key counterpart to the signals intelligence at Bletchley Park (which interests her too). A further element of the backroom activities was then deception - you might be interested in the film Operation Mincemeat... which was a particularly filmable one, unlike the massive subterfuge for D--Day - Operation Fortitude. By the time of D-Day, Bletchley Park was deciphering German signals faster than the intended recipients, but still having to decide what they could act on with a plausible explanation that didn't involve having broken the code. On the flip side, when a German U Boat sank HMS Barham (see youtube for the clip released after the war), they knew the Captain didn't know he had sunk it, so didn't make it public for ages (leading to the last conviction under the Witchcraft Act 1735 for Helen Duncan - if that doesn't pique someone's interest for a Google...). All the above relates to Europe and the film to the Enigma code, but I'm sure you are aware that it was the US breaking some Japanese Code that enabled the battle of Midway and often covered in films on the subject.
I found the 1956 film 'The man who never was' to be a better version of the story than ;Operation Mincemeat'. The former was flawed a bit as some facts were still shrouded in secrecy and the second seemed to drift into personalities/relationships with god knows how much fantasy built in.
Part of why it took until 2013 to pardon Alan Turing because the whole story of what he and his team did during the war wasn't public knowledge until then. Once the information about breaking enigma was released he was pardoned.
No. The cracking of the Enigma code and Ultra became public knowledge in the 1970s with the release of several books about Bletchley Park, and was officially declassified by the British government in 1989. Don't make stuff up or hold forth on matter on which you are clearly ignorant.
Really impressed with your history knowledge. Learnt some things, even about my own bloody country that I didn't know before watching this video. great reaction.
Kids were taken out of the cities and were passed on to folk living in the country pretty much randomly. Often the kids were housed on farms and it was the first time kids had been away from their families.
I was visiting friends in London a few years back and on return at Kings Cross station to catch my train back oop north was 2 steam trains and loads of extras milling about. I asked one of the crew what was going on and they said they was doing some filming for a movie coming out the next year called The Imitation Game. Iv'e watched it a fair few times since.
Darkest hour is a good film about what Churchill did during ww2 - Churchill and Alan Turing were the biggest influences from britain in terms of winning the war. Gary Oldman also won best actor for his performance as Churchill
Alan Turing and Jean Laidlaw are definitely 2 of the biggest heroes on the Homefront of WWII, I would recommend looking into Jean Laidlaw of the Royal Navy's Western Approaches Tactical Unit because she was the one who helped design the Tactics and Training to solve the U-boat problem. Also I have seen it mentioned in other comments but A trip to Bletchley Park is highly recommended just to be able to walk around the huts, to see the machines is really an experience not to be missed if you are in the London area.
Brilliant reaction, thank you King! Laughs are great, but I'm equally fascinated by your reactions on history-based things too! Touching to hear why you wear the DTs and yes we owe so much to the older generations especially those that went to wars!
There are some really good gentle English comedies like the detectorists (series) or Mrs Coldicots cabbage war (film) or maybe you'd like gone fishing with Bob Mortimer & Paul Whitehouse -just being themselves in a program that shows Paul trying to teach Bob how to fish for different fish in a variety of rivers & lakes all around Britain.
@@cryptosammy yep, I saw the Christmas special & the feature length special this last Christmas just gone as well. This program has always struck a thumbs up from me & I never want it to end.
My old fella was an anti aircraft gunner on the south coast during ww2, saw the battle of britain and the blitz. Spent time in Scotland and back to the south east in 45, saw V1 flying bombs, and the fighters shooting them down. He died in 2002 at 84, joined the army two days after the declaration of war in 1939, at 21 !
I was an air cadet at Bletchley Park for 5 years or so during my teenage years in the 2000’s - It’s mad how even today with a film like the Imitation Game, how few people in the UK, let alone in the world, know of the work of Alan Turing and the codebreakers of Bletchley Park! They literally shortened the war by YEARS and saved millions of lives on both sides of the war in the process, but did so in complete secrecy - Secrecy that was kept until at least 1975, with most information only coming out in the last 40 years or so. Many of those who worked there during wartime took their role and efforts to the grave with them. It was so cool to be an air cadet there and using the entirety of Bletchley Park (mostly preserved since it’s war days and now a great museum) as a place to do cadet exercises and training knowing the history and importance of the place!
A very small side note ... Sherbourne, the school young Turing attended, was used as the school location in the film. Alan Turing is the source of the expression "CAPTCHA" which stands for the Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart. Mark Strong as Stuart Mengis was otherwise known as "C" which is how he signed off on documents. James Bond movies referred to his head of MI6 as "M".
After Life is a must. Its absolutely thought provoking, hilarious and my god you will cry. Definitely one to watch with Queen Boomer however she will cry lol. Seen it three times ❤❤
Mark Strong along with Keifer Sutherland and many other great actors are in another fantastic movie about WW2 this time about POW'S of the Japanese it's called "To End All Wars" (2001) it's one of those movies that really got to me, it should've won Oscars
As a computer geek since I was a kid, Turning was my hero. Computers became my life Also living only just a few miles from Bletchley I've been a member of The National Museum of Computing for many years.
this is a great film but it does have some very significant ommissions and inaccuracies. the largest of which is the ommission of the contribution of the Polish in the development of the breaking of Enigma. and the basic way that the Bombe worked. it was not made and then refined by identifying key information. rather using key "unchanging" info to break codes is codebreaking 101. the bombe was used to make this faster.
I went to Sherborne School from 2010 - 2015. They filmed the scenes of Turing's young life at the school itself and the children that play extras in those scenes are all my classmates. I was offered the chance to be in it too but ended up refusing because I didn't want to get a haircut... 😅
There is an excellent four part Channel 4 documentary called Station X which details the work that went on at Bletchley Park in breaking the Enigma code, including interviews with people that were there, well worth a look.
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The Blitz is remembered by all Brits, London and many other Cities were levelled during 1940-41, many Air raid shelters still remain in peoples back gardens if you're house is old enough
Logically one would have to ration the use of the daily information from the German forces and i imagine one would have to attempt to look at the possible unseen consequences of a German victory and a German defeat on every occasion then inform the relevant service of the German plan of attack ,when the calculations are made that would allow interception that would not look like information received through enigma but other forms of intelligence.
We are relatively recently finding out more about the vital role played by double agents working for the UK - many not from the UK. Enigma could be used to see how much of the agents work was accepted. It helped save lives. The double agents often seemed to be one-off characters too.
Nice reaction. I love this movie. I have seen it several times and its very entertaining. I did some research on the story when I first saw it and my recollection is that there was quite a few things that weren't entirely accurate but I think the major plot points were right.
@King Boomer, I've seen The Imitation Game on a number of occasions and it is a great film. Personally speaking I'm a gay man who was born in September 1953 and homosexuality wasn't legalised here in the U.K. until July 1967 therefore at that time I was 13 - what's even crazier was the fact that the law stipulated at that time that it was only permitted "....between two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home....". The age of consent for gay men from then on was 21 therefore anyone caught indulging in it with someone under that age meant that they could both be prosecuted irrespective of how old they were. It took until 1994 until the age of consent for gay men was reduced to 18 so that didn't happen for another 27 years until after the first law came into effect. It took a further 7 years for the age of consent to be reduced to 16 in line with heterosexuals in January 2001. This means that from the age of 17 when I had my first sexual experience with another man in the eyes of the law I was considered to be a criminal and so was he....even though both of us could've been under the age of 21. In January 2001 when the law was equalised I was aged 47 so that particular amendment to the law was neither use nor ornament to either myself or anyone else of my generation. Okay, back to the topic at hand, your reaction to this wasn't totally unexpected on my part when you kept on thinking that London was the only city that experienced the blitz and the rest of the U.K. was left untouched. Despite all of the carnage that happened throughout the whole of the U.K. including the devastation in Coventry as well as the industrial heartlands in the Midlands and the north of England I was born in Plymouth and that city is renowned for being the most bombed city in England throughout World War II. The reason for this is because of its strategic location - it's where a lot of the Royal Navy ships were docked at Devonport, not only did it have easy access to the English Channel but also to the Irish Sea and the Atlantic Ocean. In fact I remember going to visit my late Nan in 1967 and there was still a bomb site located next to her house which I found incredible even though the war had actually ended 22 years before and the land had never been redeveloped. On the subject of Alan Turing and the despicable way that he was treated in the early 1950's the blame for that lies entirely with Winston Churchill. As most of us know Churchill was all too willing to rely upon Alan's genius to break the Enigma codes and Alan was awarded an OBE by Clement Atlee's Labour Government in 1946 for his services during World War II. Winston Churchill then became U.K. Prime Minister in 1951 and served in that office until 1955 therefore it was under that second term of Churchill's that Alan was so despicably treated - Churchill could've done something about it and have Alan's sentence commuted but he did f*ck all and let Alan suffer unnecessarily; that's how much of a loathsome, opportunistic creature Churchill was. Suffice to say that Alan Turing has always been a hero not just amongst us homos but also amongst the vast majority of people throughout the U.K. and across Europe - many of whom wouldn't even be around today without his genius and the saving of so many lives by his dedication and efforts throughout World War II, would we? Think of it this way, if he cut the war short by at least two years and saved 14 million lives then if he and his team hadn't have cracked the Enigma codes when they did then those same 14 million people and their descendants wouldn't be around today, would they?
Very informative. My home city of Liverpool was also badly damaged, something to do with the battle of the Atlantic and u-boats. I'm sure I've read that the city because of the docklands actually suffered more bomb damage than Coventry. My grandfather was one of those victims he was killed by the Luftwaffe the very first night he volunteered as a fire watcher in the street where lived. And my own father served on the secret Atlantic convoys aged just 17 and luckily survived.
The blitz was awful but the british Spirit never caved, everyone just carried on like normal the next day, hitler wanted us to be his ally and he feared fhe british resolve, he knew wed never give up and that scared him, although we was on our knees and he battered our supply lines the spitfire conquered. Apparently we was like a few weeks away from defeat too, but thats never spoken about, still, we won and britain will never surrender no matter what.
The one thing the history books never told you about the blitz, was it wasn't all holding hands and singing war songs in the underground tunnels, there was a lot of thievery, prostitution, fist fighting to the death over ration stubs and a lot of backstabbing. Keep calm and carry on.
38:20 The brother on a convoy scene is fictional and added for dramatic effect to personalise the consequences and add drama. Convoy positions were highly secret, and which ship was in each convoy would not be plotted at Bletchley.
As others have said there are lots of inaccuracies in the movie, but it does give a flavour for the era and events. Alan Turning was treated appallingly by the “establishment “, and probably committed suicide. A lot of historians agree,as was said at the end of movie, that he probably shortened the war by 2 years and saved millions of lives. The only official recognition he has is that he on our £50 note (bill). As lovely as it is to see Kiera Knightley, there were other women involved. At its height Bletchley Park employed 8,000 women which was 75% of its workforce. A high percentage involved in decrypting messages and translating from German to English. The existence of Bletchley Park wasn’t declassified until the the 1970’s, but no one was told. It took years to leak out, then stories started appearing about dear elderly ladies talking to their grandchildren about how gran was a “spy” during the Second World War. “OK Grandma, is turning funny again, she thinks she’s James Bond”.
I think that many people get the impression that Turing was the prime mover in cracking the enigma problem. It was a collaboration of many extraordinary people, the Poles, Welchman and the often forgotten Tommy Flowers from the GPO. 👍
As other have said, Bletchley Park, which was so secret for so long, is now open to the public. They have a replica of "Christopher" that actually works and they have volunteers who go through how the Enigma was broken using it. Even more fascinating are the other more complex codes that were cracked. After the war, everything remained secret because no-one apart from the UK and the US knew Enigma had been cracked, and so when the Soviet Union started to use it during the cold war their messages could continue to be decrypted. This is why Bletchley Park remained "hidden" for so long.....Most people working there never spoke of their work. For example, someone we came into contact with had a grandfather who they, and their father, never knew even worked there - and he is mentioned in the records you can see in the museum there.
Breaking Enigma was of immense importance to winning the war. But this movie does it no real justice. It was a massive operation with countless teams and huge numbers of people. The Polish brought the first machines and started the breaking. Naval operations taking U-Boats, "pinch" raid to steal code books - all so important to Ultra. Breaking, losing and breaking again. This is drama, for the sake of drama and makes it look so much simpler than it was. Still, a good movie and covers the tragedy of Alan Turing.
We later built different machines to break Lorenz cipher used by German army, it had papertape inputs - wey ahead of its time and again brainchild of Bletchley + Tommy Flowers and the Post Office researchers ( did this and invented binary storage if memory serves (pun intended) ) And again destroyed after the war and kept secret tho i read that one unit was gifted to the USA your welcome silicone valley ;) and has been rebuilt since from what little escaped burning / peoples memories fading.
Tommy Flowers post WW2 applied to his bank manager for a business loan to start up his own private company building "electronic computing machines". Because Tommy could not speak a word about his previous building of 10 ULTRA secret "colossus" computers and because of his "apparent" lack of previous experience his bank manager refused the loan as he viewed his business idea as an absolute "pipe dream" that would see Flowers bankrupted and the bank lose its money. Talk about the talent scout who failed to sign up "The Beatles" !!!
HI KB, Brian - If you and QB do make it to the UK, PLEASE, PLEASE, try to visit Bletchley Park, you will not be disappointed. There is so much to see and learn. I'm an HM Forces Veteran (RAF), and I visited the site with my wife and I was blown away with the work they achieved there. It made me feel even more proud to have served for my country in HM Forces (RAF) from 1983 - 1995.. And don't forget to visit THE TOWER OF LONDON and meet the Kings personal bodyguard, the Yeoman Warders (Beefeaters). Love your reactions to BRITISH stuff, KUTGW (Keep Up The Good Work) And I hope Little Boomer is doing and growing well.
Great British cast, what a legend Turin was. Idr in the film if they mention the work the Polish did, think they were the first on the enigma case but didnt release their knowledge to the Brits/French on it until 1939, think they destroyed evidence before the invasion too to stop German suspicion.
Great reaction! You might want to watch From Russia With Love after this as Ian Fleming worked for MI6 during the war and wrote the James Bond novels to fictionalise stories he knew about the intelligence service! He too could not say anything about the war for 50 years. The whole plot of this second James Bond movie (and Sean Connery's personal favourite) revolves around a coding machine like Enigma. From Russia With Love (1963) also has the first use of a mobile phone in movies (see if you can spot it) ;)
Thank you for doing this one. Such a great story and an excellent film. Sad but true. Always brings me to tears every time i watch it. So sad Alan Turing was treated the way he was. I only wish he lived to see what he had created and even in Tim e met up with Prof Stephen Hawking. Imagine those to mind getting together.
Pretty sure the sender and receiver had to use 3 letters each, and laziness meant they used words like LON-DON, BER-LIN etc. to encrypt the messages. Also, "chemical castration" is to kill the urge, not the seed.
The work that Alan Turing was doing is now part of GCHQ, rather was established after WW1 and back then was called GC&CS Gov't Code & Cypher School (the latter is a dept within GCHQ). Wasn't acknowledged they even existed until the early 1980s. National Cyber Security Centre is based there as well, in Cheltenham where GCHQ's HQ is, is where reports sent to Action Fraud, least some of them get sent after being assessed by Thames Valley Police (who they get sent to initially).
The National Cyber Security Centre has said that since the war in the Ukraine, for the UK's support of the Ukraine the national grid (our electricity supply network) gets bombarded with hacking attacks, more than likely originating from Russia. Is what they essentially defend against and what ultimately is in power over them is GCHQ, though they are doing a very long assessment over the more consumer based things, like using hosting providers (both servers and web hosting etc) and doing a massive survey over all platforms to try and attempt to prevent cyber attacks.
This is an amazing but also very sad movie to watch. He's such, or was, an unsung hero. I personally hadnt heard of him until i watched this. Watch Bronson next if you haven't seen it already. Tom Hardy is brilliant in it. Really funny in places.
Hi boomer, great reaction. Homosexuality amongst men was a crime until the 60’s in the UK. Was called “buggery”. Whilst we were alone for the first two years, by alone it was us and the largest empire the world had ever seen (the term superpower was coined to describe us). The biggest genuine threat to cause us to lose would be of we’d capitulated and we came close in May of 1940 as there was a split in the War Cabinet. Churchill won the argument and we kept going.
Being a homosexual in the uk was illegal until 1967, and then only for men aged 21 and above. From the 1500s until 1828 sodomy was a capital offence! Terrible how Turing was treated, especially considering how much he did for the world. Posthumously he's been much more recognised. RIP Alan
It was England and Wales which legalised it in 1967. Scotland and Northern Ireland were 1981 and 1982 respectively. For the whole of the UK equal age of consent was as recent as 2001 which is quite shocking.
I haven't watched that film for a while but shit that is heartbreaking and incredible in equal measure, the fact that the country which Turing had a massive role in saving from the N@zis had his life ended by the grateful government is nothing less than barbaric...
When Alan Turing made that decision about what information was fed to officials so that the Germans were not alerted, he was just 30 years old. Imagine having to bear the responsibility of making those decisions at that age.
With the castration the excuse was to protect the children. Even back then they accused gays of attacking and grooming children. And of course it was considered a sin.
One thing about Britain being 'alone' against Germany. While that is technically true, most of us today don't fully appreciate just how VAST the British Empire was at that time. Were we alone? Only if you consider a quarter of the population of the world and a 5th of its landmass, as being 'alone'.
Many people don't know that Benedict Cumberbatch was ACTUALLY RELATED to Mr. Turing, albeit its distant cousins, it must have been part of how great he was in the movie.
There's a lot about the war and that era in general that us Brits are very much ashamed of. Another one that springs to mind was shown in the film Hurricane and the mistreatment of Polish RAF pilots after the war where they were not only not allowed to take part in the VE day parades but were also not allowed to stay in Brittan (despite that being promised to a lot of them) and were forcefully shipped back to Soviet occupied Poland, many of whom were later executed by the Soviets.
@Play Google wasn't speaking for anyone else just making a factually accurate statement that most Brits are ashamed of that horrendous behaviour, by which I mean the only ones who aren't are the ones that wish this kinda thing was still happening which isn't really putting you in a good light is it considering you seem to be offended to be included in the none homophobic category? Take a break from the internet, you need it.
@Play Google firstly no any Brit with any self respect and understanding should be fully aware that there is a lot in our last to be ashamed of just as there is a lot to be immensely proud of. Refusal to admit that is just pure ignorance and stupidity. Secondly I'm from Cheshire, family all over England, everyone I have ever spoken to in this country either from the North or South or even up in Scotland will say Brit (that's even what it's referred to on most NHS documents fyi). Thirdly, what an appalling thing to say. That you would assume someone would support the bombings of innocents (especially children) just because they're not such a naive imbecile that they don't think we have ever done anything wrong. One last thing, may I remind you that it was the British Empire that invented Concentration Camps.... Have a nice day, go educate yourself.
But serious for you this! If your in a serious mood give This is England a go. Or Dead Mans Shoes. This is Englands a self contained film but there are 2 series as sequels so it might add too much to your plate as you already have too many shows to work with! Also Pheonix Nights a short and sweet series, Peter Kay’s in it and it’s insanely funny. For me bin off Benidorm and get on that. But what do I know, I’m just a Northern Muppet!
@@haveit-k8l It’s a masterwork. Anything Meadows does is class. If your in the UK he’s doing a new series on BBC2 on Wednesday night at Nine! It’s a historical drama
Alan Turing the father of modern computing is on the british £50 note. Incredible that the very machine you are using to react to a film about him can be traced back to his achievements.
Alan Turing as portrayed here is meant to have autism, basically meaning taking stuff as it’s said, lacking social skills, and finding his hobbies are more interesting than other people, very broadly speaking. And I love people who think differently, also having autism myself, “normal” people are so boring. And one of my favorite quotes is “nobody ever made a difference by being like everyone else”.
@@ncard00. I absolutely love Bletchley Park it’s my favourite place
I think the best part of Turing on the £50 note is the quote:
“This Is Only a Foretaste of What Is To Come, and Only the Shadow of What Is Going To Be”
Don’t forget Tommy Flowers who built the world’s first programmable computer (Colossus).
Ironically; the German company that produced the Enigma machine filed a patent in Britain in 1924 with full wiring and "default settings." The British, presumed; sensibly (but incorrectly) that the Germans had changed the default wiring (changing your password from: "Password1234"). None of this devalues the Bletchley Park team's accomplishments. It was an incredible feat of intellect (while they downplay the contribution of the other members of the team that aren't Turing, as he is the main character in this story).
Watch "Das Boot" after this film; it was a German made film that intimated that German naval officers were beginning to suspect that Enigma had been cracked.
I forget who coined the axiom: "What won the war was: American steel, British brains and Russian blood..."
A huge industrial complex, exceptional intellects and the suffering of innumerable waves of conscripts.
If you ever come to England, you can now visit the real Bletchley Park!! They've opened it to the public as a massive museum
Had the joy of an amazing tour of Bletchley Park with a great Scottish lady who worked there during the war
I want or we want the part 2 of The Imitation Game movie seriously
Benedict Cumberbatch always delivers. This man can do anything when it comes to acting.
Apparently Alan committed suicide by taking a bite out of a poisoned apple. (Snow white vibes anyone?) When Steve Jobs was asked if the Apple logo was a tribute to Turing, he said "no, but it damn well should of been."
I didn't know the Job's quote! I had heard that the logo was a tribute to Turing!
Far more likely he said ".... should have been."
He said he wished it was.
Apparently there is a memo from Churchill that he wrote after a visit to BP, as there were requests for more funding. The memo simply read, 'Give them what they want.'
Just to answer the bit about Churchill allowing a convoy to be attacked and people killed.
This occurred in the bombing of the city of Coventry when Churchill new that the city was about to be bombed and he had to allow it to take place to prevent the Germans from knowing they have broken the enigma code.
the cathedral of Coventry (its ruins) has been left standing as a memorial to the people who died during the bombing.
That is total nonsense. The mass bombing of Coventry occurred on November 14 1940. Enigma was broken on July 9, 1941. Stop making stuff up to sound knowledgeable and intelligent.
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Benedict Cumberbatch was nominated for an Oscar for his portrayal of Alan Turing in this film. However, he was up against Eddie Redmayne as Stephen Hawking in The Theory of Everything for the Best Actor category, and Eddie Redmayne won. Both actors attended the most prestigious schools in the UK. Cumberbatch went to Harrow. Redmayne went to Eton (and was in the same year as Prince William).
I want or we want the part 2 of The Imitation Game movie seriously. Greatt movies
For non-British what the hell is a prestigious school
@@BabaGoesHollywood Britain's top private schools
@@BabaGoesHollywood- It is the equivalent of going to very elite private high school here in the U.S. St. Andrews in Delaware is one of those schools.(filming location of Dead Poets Society)
@@ravenzyblack who in America moves to a new state just to switch the kid into a school?
He has finally got some respect as his portrait is on a £50 note in the UK. Also my where I work university named one of its buildings a few years ago, fittingly the Maths/Science centre.
Sadly ironic they put him on a bank note that isn't accepted in a lot of places!
An interesting Charles dance fact... His Father Walter was born in 1874 and had him at age 72. Chalres had a daughter in 2012 aged 66. Her grandfather was born 138 years before her.
It wasn’t just London my dad (aged Eleven )and his younger brother sat under a table during the Sheffield blitz 12 Dec 1940 their mother was not there she was across town and came back the next day. They were made of sterner stuff back then. He never mentioned it, his brother my uncle told us about it a few years before his own death.
A wonderful film about a genuine international treasure and a very British kind of superhero.
My dad was evacuated during the war, he was sent Wales and learnt to be a blacksmith. Then when he was conscripted he drove trucks around europe and was stationed near Belsen. He hardly ever talked about that bit.
it was all kept top secret for so long, thats why it took the Queen until the 2000s to pardon him
The Russians were using captured German equipment into the 1970s ... That is why.
Actually it was originally rejected by the government because they tried to say that within that time it was still illegal and he knew it was so they wasn’t going to pardon him. The only reason this got overturned was because millions of people went mad and a petition was made once again and it pressured the government to actually pardon him which is why they ended up asking the queen to pardon him in 2013 if it wasn’t for all those people signing the petition and basically pressuring them I reckon it would have never happened. Honestly he was a hero and he could have done so much more for our country if the world wasn’t so ignorant back then.
Nice one KB, my mum had her 99th birthday this week, which included her giving a talk on her minor part in the war effort, having joined the Air Force in 1942 (where she learned to drive). She mainly worked with photo reconnaissance squadrons whose interpretation was concentrated at RAF Medmenham - a key counterpart to the signals intelligence at Bletchley Park (which interests her too). A further element of the backroom activities was then deception - you might be interested in the film Operation Mincemeat... which was a particularly filmable one, unlike the massive subterfuge for D--Day - Operation Fortitude. By the time of D-Day, Bletchley Park was deciphering German signals faster than the intended recipients, but still having to decide what they could act on with a plausible explanation that didn't involve having broken the code. On the flip side, when a German U Boat sank HMS Barham (see youtube for the clip released after the war), they knew the Captain didn't know he had sunk it, so didn't make it public for ages (leading to the last conviction under the Witchcraft Act 1735 for Helen Duncan - if that doesn't pique someone's interest for a Google...). All the above relates to Europe and the film to the Enigma code, but I'm sure you are aware that it was the US breaking some Japanese Code that enabled the battle of Midway and often covered in films on the subject.
I found the 1956 film 'The man who never was' to be a better version of the story than ;Operation Mincemeat'. The former was flawed a bit as some facts were still shrouded in secrecy and the second seemed to drift into personalities/relationships with god knows how much fantasy built in.
Part of why it took until 2013 to pardon Alan Turing because the whole story of what he and his team did during the war wasn't public knowledge until then. Once the information about breaking enigma was released he was pardoned.
The UK Government release the "ULTRA secret" in 1971.
No. The cracking of the Enigma code and Ultra became public knowledge in the 1970s with the release of several books about Bletchley Park, and was officially declassified by the British government in 1989. Don't make stuff up or hold forth on matter on which you are clearly ignorant.
Really impressed with your history knowledge. Learnt some things, even about my own bloody country that I didn't know before watching this video. great reaction.
Kids were taken out of the cities and were passed on to folk living in the country pretty much randomly.
Often the kids were housed on farms and it was the first time kids had been away from their families.
I was visiting friends in London a few years back and on return at Kings Cross station to catch my train back oop north was 2 steam trains and loads of extras milling about. I asked one of the crew what was going on and they said they was doing some filming for a movie coming out the next year called The Imitation Game. Iv'e watched it a fair few times since.
Darkest hour is a good film about what Churchill did during ww2 - Churchill and Alan Turing were the biggest influences from britain in terms of winning the war. Gary Oldman also won best actor for his performance as Churchill
Would definitely recommend this film for a reaction and one of the best, if not THE best portrayal of Sir Winston Churchill I have ever seen.
Alan Turing and Jean Laidlaw are definitely 2 of the biggest heroes on the Homefront of WWII, I would recommend looking into Jean Laidlaw of the Royal Navy's Western Approaches Tactical Unit because she was the one who helped design the Tactics and Training to solve the U-boat problem. Also I have seen it mentioned in other comments but A trip to Bletchley Park is highly recommended just to be able to walk around the huts, to see the machines is really an experience not to be missed if you are in the London area.
Please rewatch this with both of you guys! This is one of my favourite films of all time
Brilliant reaction, thank you King!
Laughs are great, but I'm equally fascinated by your reactions on history-based things too!
Touching to hear why you wear the DTs and yes we owe so much to the older generations especially those that went to wars!
THANK YOU for doing a reaction to this movie... for some reason it's one of the RAREST movies to find a reaction to. It is one of MY favorites though.
Unbelievable film my favourite film of all time. one of the only films I have watched multiple times
There are some really good gentle English comedies like the detectorists (series) or Mrs Coldicots cabbage war (film) or maybe you'd like gone fishing with Bob Mortimer & Paul Whitehouse -just being themselves in a program that shows Paul trying to teach Bob how to fish for different fish in a variety of rivers & lakes all around Britain.
I love the detectorists did you watch the Xmas special
@@cryptosammy yep, I saw the Christmas special & the feature length special this last Christmas just gone as well. This program has always struck a thumbs up from me & I never want it to end.
Not many The Imitation Game reactions out there. Thanks for doing it. Underrated movie for sure.
This is the second war film with Benedict and Keira Knightly. The film being the equally brilliant Atonement.
My old fella was an anti aircraft gunner on the south coast during ww2, saw the battle of britain and the blitz. Spent time in Scotland and back to the south east in 45, saw V1 flying bombs, and the fighters shooting them down. He died in 2002 at 84, joined the army two days after the declaration of war in 1939, at 21 !
I was an air cadet at Bletchley Park for 5 years or so during my teenage years in the 2000’s - It’s mad how even today with a film like the Imitation Game, how few people in the UK, let alone in the world, know of the work of Alan Turing and the codebreakers of Bletchley Park!
They literally shortened the war by YEARS and saved millions of lives on both sides of the war in the process, but did so in complete secrecy - Secrecy that was kept until at least 1975, with most information only coming out in the last 40 years or so. Many of those who worked there during wartime took their role and efforts to the grave with them.
It was so cool to be an air cadet there and using the entirety of Bletchley Park (mostly preserved since it’s war days and now a great museum) as a place to do cadet exercises and training knowing the history and importance of the place!
So, ironically, it was the Nazi's obsession with "hail Hitler" that cost them the secret of Enigma.
Papa Palpatine "Ironic."
Really enjoyed your reaction & your understanding of how we faced up to the Nazis basically alone for 2 years.
Some people argue that he didn’t commit suicide but was conveniently ‘dispatched’ as he knew too much.
I vote for Ricky Gervais’s “After Life” next, it’s absolutely hilarious 👍🏻
More than The Office & The Ricky Gervais Show?
@@davidz3879 Loved The Office, but I think Extras was better, maybe because I've seen The Office too many times, but After Life is very good.
@@davidz3879 The After Life out takes are so funny! Should be bottled as a cure for depression 😂
The after life is too sad to be a comedy. Derek is more light hearted
Also ‘the invention of lying’
A friend of mine back in college was an extra in the film he went to the same school Alan Turing went to
A very small side note ... Sherbourne, the school young Turing attended, was used as the school location in the film. Alan Turing is the source of the expression "CAPTCHA" which stands for the Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart. Mark Strong as Stuart Mengis was otherwise known as "C" which is how he signed off on documents. James Bond movies referred to his head of MI6 as "M".
After Life is a must. Its absolutely thought provoking, hilarious and my god you will cry. Definitely one to watch with Queen Boomer however she will cry lol. Seen it three times ❤❤
The last episode crushed me!😢
Mark Strong along with Keifer Sutherland and many other great actors are in another fantastic movie about WW2 this time about POW'S of the Japanese it's called "To End All Wars" (2001) it's one of those movies that really got to me, it should've won Oscars
A good film, shame how things went for Turing 😔
'Went The Day Well?' is an interesting little film, released in 1942 so made during the war, about possible invasion. It has it's unexpected moments.
Written by Graham Greene, it was later 'borrowed' as "The Eagle Has Landed".
As a computer geek since I was a kid, Turning was my hero.
Computers became my life
Also living only just a few miles from Bletchley I've been a member of The National Museum of Computing for many years.
Kudos for reference to antikythera machine. I believe it has been worked out now.
this is a great film but it does have some very significant ommissions and inaccuracies. the largest of which is the ommission of the contribution of the Polish in the development of the breaking of Enigma. and the basic way that the Bombe worked. it was not made and then refined by identifying key information. rather using key "unchanging" info to break codes is codebreaking 101. the bombe was used to make this faster.
I went to Sherborne School from 2010 - 2015. They filmed the scenes of Turing's young life at the school itself and the children that play extras in those scenes are all my classmates. I was offered the chance to be in it too but ended up refusing because I didn't want to get a haircut... 😅
Films like this mean more to me, I live in the Channel Islands, the only part Britain that were occupied by the Germans during the war…
There is an excellent four part Channel 4 documentary called Station X which details the work that went on at Bletchley Park in breaking the Enigma code, including interviews with people that were there, well worth a look.
Yesterday's Cheese Rolling" clips have appeared!!
" Thrills and spills as Cheese Rolling 2023 leads to MULTIPLE" seems the best (7 mins)
The crowds becoming funnier year by year and the Womens Winner finished unconscious!
Thanks Bobby I’ll check it out!
Bobby I did a reaction to that video but it was blocked. So I’ll try a different one soon and see if I can get it up for you.
The Blitz is remembered by all Brits, London and many other Cities were levelled during 1940-41, many Air raid shelters still remain in peoples back gardens if you're house is old enough
Benedict Cumberbatch also played Prof Stephen Hawkins in a BBC production Hawking and 2 episodes of a 3 episode series Stephen Hawkins universe.
Logically one would have to ration the use of the daily information from the German forces and i imagine one would have to attempt to look at the possible unseen consequences of a German victory and a German defeat on every occasion then inform the relevant service of the German plan of attack ,when the calculations are made that would allow interception that would not look like information received through enigma but other forms of intelligence.
We are relatively recently finding out more about the vital role played by double agents working for the UK - many not from the UK. Enigma could be used to see how much of the agents work was accepted. It helped save lives. The double agents often seemed to be one-off characters too.
Great reaction, king , keep it going
Gay legalisation was in 1967 in the UK. The US legalised it nationwide in 2003, though that was just the last state to do it.
we can watch this thanks to him.....
Nice reaction. I love this movie. I have seen it several times and its very entertaining. I did some research on the story when I first saw it and my recollection is that there was quite a few things that weren't entirely accurate but I think the major plot points were right.
If you want to see Mark strong in a completely different role you should watch brothers grimsby.
Watch it with Queen Boomer...............
If you enjoyed this you should watch Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy. Every British actor worth mentioning in it. One of the best British films In decades
Special shout out to Marian Rejewski for playing a part in cracking the machine in 1932
Understatement of the year "Alan Turing was a very bright man". Yes....... yes he was.
@King Boomer, I've seen The Imitation Game on a number of occasions and it is a great film.
Personally speaking I'm a gay man who was born in September 1953 and homosexuality wasn't legalised here in the U.K. until July 1967 therefore at that time I was 13 - what's even crazier was the fact that the law stipulated at that time that it was only permitted "....between two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home....".
The age of consent for gay men from then on was 21 therefore anyone caught indulging in it with someone under that age meant that they could both be prosecuted irrespective of how old they were. It took until 1994 until the age of consent for gay men was reduced to 18 so that didn't happen for another 27 years until after the first law came into effect. It took a further 7 years for the age of consent to be reduced to 16 in line with heterosexuals in January 2001. This means that from the age of 17 when I had my first sexual experience with another man in the eyes of the law I was considered to be a criminal and so was he....even though both of us could've been under the age of 21. In January 2001 when the law was equalised I was aged 47 so that particular amendment to the law was neither use nor ornament to either myself or anyone else of my generation.
Okay, back to the topic at hand, your reaction to this wasn't totally unexpected on my part when you kept on thinking that London was the only city that experienced the blitz and the rest of the U.K. was left untouched. Despite all of the carnage that happened throughout the whole of the U.K. including the devastation in Coventry as well as the industrial heartlands in the Midlands and the north of England I was born in Plymouth and that city is renowned for being the most bombed city in England throughout World War II. The reason for this is because of its strategic location - it's where a lot of the Royal Navy ships were docked at Devonport, not only did it have easy access to the English Channel but also to the Irish Sea and the Atlantic Ocean. In fact I remember going to visit my late Nan in 1967 and there was still a bomb site located next to her house which I found incredible even though the war had actually ended 22 years before and the land had never been redeveloped.
On the subject of Alan Turing and the despicable way that he was treated in the early 1950's the blame for that lies entirely with Winston Churchill. As most of us know Churchill was all too willing to rely upon Alan's genius to break the Enigma codes and Alan was awarded an OBE by Clement Atlee's Labour Government in 1946 for his services during World War II. Winston Churchill then became U.K. Prime Minister in 1951 and served in that office until 1955 therefore it was under that second term of Churchill's that Alan was so despicably treated - Churchill could've done something about it and have Alan's sentence commuted but he did f*ck all and let Alan suffer unnecessarily; that's how much of a loathsome, opportunistic creature Churchill was.
Suffice to say that Alan Turing has always been a hero not just amongst us homos but also amongst the vast majority of people throughout the U.K. and across Europe - many of whom wouldn't even be around today without his genius and the saving of so many lives by his dedication and efforts throughout World War II, would we? Think of it this way, if he cut the war short by at least two years and saved 14 million lives then if he and his team hadn't have cracked the Enigma codes when they did then those same 14 million people and their descendants wouldn't be around today, would they?
Very informative. My home city of Liverpool was also badly damaged, something to do with the battle of the Atlantic and u-boats. I'm sure I've read that the city because of the docklands actually suffered more bomb damage than Coventry. My grandfather was one of those victims he was killed by the Luftwaffe the very first night he volunteered as a fire watcher in the street where lived. And my own father served on the secret Atlantic convoys aged just 17 and luckily survived.
The blitz was awful but the british Spirit never caved, everyone just carried on like normal the next day, hitler wanted us to be his ally and he feared fhe british resolve, he knew wed never give up and that scared him, although we was on our knees and he battered our supply lines the spitfire conquered. Apparently we was like a few weeks away from defeat too, but thats never spoken about, still, we won and britain will never surrender no matter what.
The one thing the history books never told you about the blitz, was it wasn't all holding hands and singing war songs in the underground tunnels, there was a lot of thievery, prostitution, fist fighting to the death over ration stubs and a lot of backstabbing. Keep calm and carry on.
38:20 The brother on a convoy scene is fictional and added for dramatic effect to personalise the consequences and add drama. Convoy positions were highly secret, and which ship was in each convoy would not be plotted at Bletchley.
As others have said there are lots of inaccuracies in the movie, but it does give a flavour for the era and events. Alan Turning was treated appallingly by the “establishment “, and probably committed suicide. A lot of historians agree,as was said at the end of movie, that he probably shortened the war by 2 years and saved millions of lives. The only official recognition he has is that he on our £50 note (bill).
As lovely as it is to see Kiera Knightley, there were other women involved. At its height Bletchley Park employed 8,000 women which was 75% of its workforce. A high percentage involved in decrypting messages and translating from German to English. The existence of Bletchley Park wasn’t declassified until the the 1970’s, but no one was told. It took years to leak out, then stories started appearing about dear elderly ladies talking to their grandchildren about how gran was a “spy” during the Second World War. “OK Grandma, is turning funny again, she thinks she’s James Bond”.
I think that many people get the impression that Turing was the prime mover in cracking the enigma problem.
It was a collaboration of many extraordinary people, the Poles, Welchman and the often forgotten Tommy Flowers from the GPO. 👍
@@pauldurkee4764 I agree, in particular Tommy Flowers. He effectively with valves put the whole thoughts of Turnings thoughts together.
As other have said, Bletchley Park, which was so secret for so long, is now open to the public. They have a replica of "Christopher" that actually works and they have volunteers who go through how the Enigma was broken using it. Even more fascinating are the other more complex codes that were cracked. After the war, everything remained secret because no-one apart from the UK and the US knew Enigma had been cracked, and so when the Soviet Union started to use it during the cold war their messages could continue to be decrypted. This is why Bletchley Park remained "hidden" for so long.....Most people working there never spoke of their work. For example, someone we came into contact with had a grandfather who they, and their father, never knew even worked there - and he is mentioned in the records you can see in the museum there.
Breaking Enigma was of immense importance to winning the war. But this movie does it no real justice. It was a massive operation with countless teams and huge numbers of people. The Polish brought the first machines and started the breaking. Naval operations taking U-Boats, "pinch" raid to steal code books - all so important to Ultra. Breaking, losing and breaking again. This is drama, for the sake of drama and makes it look so much simpler than it was. Still, a good movie and covers the tragedy of Alan Turing.
25:20 GREAT Recommendation to KB. Whoever you are! Horray, Horray, Horray!
I want or we want the part 2 of The Imitation Game movie seriously. Great movies ever
The flashback to his school years and the last few years leading to his trial are largely true. The bulk was mainly drama.
Keira Knightly also impressive in The Duchess, with Ralph Feinnes.
Shout out to all the people who live here in Manchester! It’s a great place to live! 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸
We later built different machines to break Lorenz cipher used by German army, it had papertape inputs - wey ahead of its time and again brainchild of Bletchley + Tommy Flowers and the Post Office researchers ( did this and invented binary storage if memory serves (pun intended) ) And again destroyed after the war and kept secret tho i read that one unit was gifted to the USA your welcome silicone valley ;) and has been rebuilt since from what little escaped burning / peoples memories fading.
Tommy Flowers post WW2 applied to his bank manager for a business loan to start up his own private company building "electronic computing machines". Because Tommy could not speak a word about his previous building of 10 ULTRA secret "colossus" computers and because of his "apparent" lack of previous experience his bank manager refused the loan as he viewed his business idea as an absolute "pipe dream" that would see Flowers bankrupted and the bank lose its money.
Talk about the talent scout who failed to sign up "The Beatles" !!!
HI KB, Brian - If you and QB do make it to the UK, PLEASE, PLEASE, try to visit Bletchley Park, you will not be disappointed. There is so much to see and learn. I'm an HM Forces Veteran (RAF), and I visited the site with my wife and I was blown away with the work they achieved there. It made me feel even more proud to have served for my country in HM Forces (RAF) from 1983 - 1995.. And don't forget to visit THE TOWER OF LONDON and meet the Kings personal bodyguard, the Yeoman Warders (Beefeaters). Love your reactions to BRITISH stuff, KUTGW (Keep Up The Good Work)
And I hope Little Boomer is doing and growing well.
Yep. It was a crime until 1967 in the UK..
Please please watch a British TV series called ‘Faulty Towers’ it’s such a humour-ridden series, John Cleese plays an amazing role in it!
Fawlty Towers is brilliant. A new series of it is being made.
@@davidz3879 oh man that’s news to me! Gonna have to look into it and get excited whilst at work tonight 😂
Don’t mention the war!
Fawlty.
And yes, although YT seem to be extra fussy over such shows and reactions, sadly
I can't imagine how woke the remake will be
Great British cast, what a legend Turin was. Idr in the film if they mention the work the Polish did, think they were the first on the enigma case but didnt release their knowledge to the Brits/French on it until 1939, think they destroyed evidence before the invasion too to stop German suspicion.
If you like Benedict playing this sort of character you'll love Sherlock! (BBC Tv series)
If what I hear is true, the Turing test is likely to be featuring rather prominently in our lives before very long.
Probably, but only in relation to the AI testing us to see if we are truly human, while it has us down on our knees.
Great reaction! You might want to watch From Russia With Love after this as Ian Fleming worked for MI6 during the war and wrote the James Bond novels to fictionalise stories he knew about the intelligence service! He too could not say anything about the war for 50 years. The whole plot of this second James Bond movie (and Sean Connery's personal favourite) revolves around a coding machine like Enigma. From Russia With Love (1963) also has the first use of a mobile phone in movies (see if you can spot it) ;)
Thank you for doing this one. Such a great story and an excellent film. Sad but true. Always brings me to tears every time i watch it. So sad Alan Turing was treated the way he was. I only wish he lived to see what he had created and even in Tim e met up with Prof Stephen Hawking. Imagine those to mind getting together.
As a Churchill fan 'Darkest Hour' should be high on your list to react to
I saw that first day in the theatre. Gary Oldman rules.
If you haven't seen it you must watch Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy next, Benedict and Mark Strong are in that
Pretty sure the sender and receiver had to use 3 letters each, and laziness meant they used words like LON-DON, BER-LIN etc. to encrypt the messages. Also, "chemical castration" is to kill the urge, not the seed.
33:40 - 34:40 THAT part gives me MAD CHILLS every time!
The work that Alan Turing was doing is now part of GCHQ, rather was established after WW1 and back then was called GC&CS Gov't Code & Cypher School (the latter is a dept within GCHQ). Wasn't acknowledged they even existed until the early 1980s.
National Cyber Security Centre is based there as well, in Cheltenham where GCHQ's HQ is, is where reports sent to Action Fraud, least some of them get sent after being assessed by Thames Valley Police (who they get sent to initially).
The National Cyber Security Centre has said that since the war in the Ukraine, for the UK's support of the Ukraine the national grid (our electricity supply network) gets bombarded with hacking attacks, more than likely originating from Russia. Is what they essentially defend against and what ultimately is in power over them is GCHQ, though they are doing a very long assessment over the more consumer based things, like using hosting providers (both servers and web hosting etc) and doing a massive survey over all platforms to try and attempt to prevent cyber attacks.
This is an amazing but also very sad movie to watch. He's such, or was, an unsung hero. I personally hadnt heard of him until i watched this. Watch Bronson next if you haven't seen it already. Tom Hardy is brilliant in it. Really funny in places.
And now he is on the back of the £50 note, British Hero
Hi boomer, great reaction. Homosexuality amongst men was a crime until the 60’s in the UK. Was called “buggery”.
Whilst we were alone for the first two years, by alone it was us and the largest empire the world had ever seen (the term superpower was coined to describe us). The biggest genuine threat to cause us to lose would be of we’d capitulated and we came close in May of 1940 as there was a split in the War Cabinet. Churchill won the argument and we kept going.
Being a homosexual in the uk was illegal until 1967, and then only for men aged 21 and above. From the 1500s until 1828 sodomy was a capital offence!
Terrible how Turing was treated, especially considering how much he did for the world. Posthumously he's been much more recognised. RIP Alan
It was England and Wales which legalised it in 1967. Scotland and Northern Ireland were 1981 and 1982 respectively. For the whole of the UK equal age of consent was as recent as 2001 which is quite shocking.
I haven't watched that film for a while but shit that is heartbreaking and incredible in equal measure, the fact that the country which Turing had a massive role in saving from the N@zis had his life ended by the grateful government is nothing less than barbaric...
When Alan Turing made that decision about what information was fed to officials so that the Germans were not alerted, he was just 30 years old. Imagine having to bear the responsibility of making those decisions at that age.
With the castration the excuse was to protect the children. Even back then they accused gays of attacking and grooming children. And of course it was considered a sin.
5:15 As an Australian I’d like to point out the Brits weren’t alone. Also, we didn’t wait until the war hit our doorstep to join like you Yanks. 😉
One thing about Britain being 'alone' against Germany.
While that is technically true, most of us today don't fully appreciate just how VAST the British Empire was at that time.
Were we alone? Only if you consider a quarter of the population of the world and a 5th of its landmass, as being 'alone'.
Many people don't know that Benedict Cumberbatch was ACTUALLY RELATED to Mr. Turing, albeit its distant cousins, it must have been part of how great he was in the movie.
Bro the beginning really jarred me 😂
Try Roald dahls tales of the unexpected
Each episode is a different story
There's a movie called The Parole Officer with Steve Coogan and Stannis and Cersei from GOT.
There's a lot about the war and that era in general that us Brits are very much ashamed of. Another one that springs to mind was shown in the film Hurricane and the mistreatment of Polish RAF pilots after the war where they were not only not allowed to take part in the VE day parades but were also not allowed to stay in Brittan (despite that being promised to a lot of them) and were forcefully shipped back to Soviet occupied Poland, many of whom were later executed by the Soviets.
@Play Google Are you saying you're a Brit and not ashamed of how Turing was treated? That's pretty messed up if so
@Play Google wasn't speaking for anyone else just making a factually accurate statement that most Brits are ashamed of that horrendous behaviour, by which I mean the only ones who aren't are the ones that wish this kinda thing was still happening which isn't really putting you in a good light is it considering you seem to be offended to be included in the none homophobic category? Take a break from the internet, you need it.
@Play Google firstly no any Brit with any self respect and understanding should be fully aware that there is a lot in our last to be ashamed of just as there is a lot to be immensely proud of. Refusal to admit that is just pure ignorance and stupidity.
Secondly I'm from Cheshire, family all over England, everyone I have ever spoken to in this country either from the North or South or even up in Scotland will say Brit (that's even what it's referred to on most NHS documents fyi).
Thirdly, what an appalling thing to say. That you would assume someone would support the bombings of innocents (especially children) just because they're not such a naive imbecile that they don't think we have ever done anything wrong.
One last thing, may I remind you that it was the British Empire that invented Concentration Camps.... Have a nice day, go educate yourself.
But serious for you this! If your in a serious mood give This is England a go. Or Dead Mans Shoes. This is Englands a self contained film but there are 2 series as sequels so it might add too much to your plate as you already have too many shows to work with!
Also Pheonix Nights a short and sweet series, Peter Kay’s in it and it’s insanely funny.
For me bin off Benidorm and get on that. But what do I know, I’m just a Northern Muppet!
What a great film Dead Man's Shoes is.
@@haveit-k8l It’s a masterwork. Anything Meadows does is class. If your in the UK he’s doing a new series on BBC2 on Wednesday night at Nine! It’s a historical drama
Great performance by Benedict Cumberbatch but the film is plagued with innaccuaracies.
5:10 Shouting boy from Man Down? Is that you?
They also serve who only stand and wait..