DIY Sailing: Cubic Mini Cub wood stove aboard a small sailboat.
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2018
- To prepare our sailboat Dawn Treader for the cold and damp of Patagonia, we installed a small wood burning stove made by Cubic Mini.
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Very important to have a heater on the boat . Good job and thanks for sharing.
But be cautious of fire 🔥 on the boat .Need to watch all the time .
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Great video! I'm originally from Uruguay and lived there several years on and off. It's a small but beautiful country. It's awesome that you were able to sail there. Thank you for sharing and bringing back wonderful memories of my small country from many years ago. I'm planning on moving to a sailboat and liveaboard, and having a real fireplace would be amazing .Save travels full of wonderful adventures.
Love it! Someday we hope to have a boat with a wood burning stove onboard!
on a boat AND mini wood stove ❤ dreamy🎉
Storage for the wood can be difficult on a small boat, you can burn large quantities even in a small stove.
I used to supplement logs with coal briquettes which give more heat and burn longer while taking up less space.
A small induction fan helps spread the heat and is a good investment.
I managed to rig up a hot water coil into my flue which was a mixture of success and frustrating failure, I will get right one day. As part of the hot water system I added a radiator in the vee berth which really made a difference.
It felt good knowing I was getting as much out of the heat as possible, 80% of all stoves heat is lost to the atmosphere via the flue sadly.
The hot water system is super interesting.
Thanks for this video. Was nice and smooth to watch and gave me some ideas for my small blue water boat.
Excellent video! I think you did a wonderful job installing and keeping up on maintenance. Suggestion: Once you add wood keep the damper open for 7-15 minutes to let the wood catch fire well. Instead of smoke out the chimney and soot galore your glass and chimney will be much cleaner. I mean keep the damper open for 10 minutes maybe more before closing it down. I promise your creosote buildup will lessen tremendously. Smoke = unburned fuel and wasted BTU's. Cheers to 2021-
Another great video. Thanks for sharing your adventures. I think your nesting dinghy is fantastic too. Fair winds to you!
Using an Ecofan would greatly improve heat circulation in the cabin thus rendering your stove much more efficient.
They are really cool! We have them in our house!
You are better off mounting a small fan or battery operated fan as high as you can to blow as,much hot air that amasses near the ceiling.
The Eco fan, although cool concept, doesn't really do much to move air. I'm a fireplace installed of 20 years
I had a cubic mini in my camper with a eco fan and it was amazing, best dry heat for winter!
Yes, good idea aren't they.
I own several mini stoves, and if you are going to forage for wood like that I highly recommend investing in a sawzall. You'll be so glad you did. Happy trails. Or, wakes, or whatever boat people say. Thanks for the upload.
I live not far from Galveston how cool!! I hope to one day do exactly what y’all are doing!! Fair winds!
A battery saw the ideal gift for a wood stove, any pallets floating by bingo free fuel without getting out of the boat.
I was thinking about installing this stove on my boat as well. There may have been a heater of some sort installed at that same location on my boat as well and a hole has already been cut the correct size. I was a little concerned about it being directly under my boom and mainsail well, but I'm glad to hear that your mainsail doesn't get covered in soot when the stove is running!
what a wonderful video..and thx for sharing your install and the adventure..cheers mates!
Thanks for the great video!
Thank you for the video! Very Nice!
See you guys are from Texas...Consider using Lump Coal for fuel like we do bbq. It will burn cleaner and hotter for a longer period of time.
Hi! Great to find sailors from Galveston!Loved the video.You got a sub here!Fair Winds😊
Great stove
Thanks
Great video! 🤩👏👏👏
Awesome, arrived here from the Bonnie boat podcast.
Very nice video! Thank you!!
Ahoy Dawn Treader. Nice video to stumble upon about wood-fired heater and that it is on your boat. I forget which year, but maybe 6 or 7 years ago, you sailed in the Harvest Moon. Afterwards, you were returning to Galveston via the Intracoastal. Somewhere between about Chocolate Bayou and Harborwalk, we on Quest, a Catalina 30, approached and passed you. I admired Dawn Treader as well as your relaxed, easy-going pace that you were motoring at. 1st mate and another young lady we're sitting on the port side deck with their legs hanging over. Probably about 3:00 or 4:00 in the afternoon. Later, once in a while, I'd spot Dawn Treader in other Galveston Bay Marina's (Watergate, I think, for example).
Thanks for your video and Fair winds on your exploration south.
Enjoyed this.....i just fitted a small charcoal stove on my little boat.
You installed your stovepipes upside-down. Upper crimped pipes MUST fit inside, funnel into, lower pipes so all creosote stays in the flue, if/when it melts. That way there is never smoke, leaks or fumes. Also there is no need to seal the flue joints. Creosote will seal them. There is never a need to clean out pipes. Just have a hot fire once or twice a day, usually at start up, so all the condensed creosote burns out. It may make scary sounds & may give you a mini chimney fire but do not fear, it is built to take it. Insulated pipes reduce creosote formation.
Nice, neat work.
I love this, would love to have one of these onboard my boat here in Sweden but I don’t know how to get one here unfortunately..
Glad you guys can stay warm now
Warren s/y Legend
See this is why the cubic mini stoves are better than diesel heaters. No one enjoys their diesel heater, they merely enjoy the warmth. But with a wood stove, it's a cosy experience to have real fire, tend to it and cook on it.
Good, thank you.
I know it’s too late but when installing wood stoves; it’s a good idea to burn wood in it outside to burn off the paint smell etc. that way it will not smell inside
If you learn about secondary combustion hacks you can reduce stove cleaning and double your burn time!
Nice job
I really like that installation, I think it's what 'm going to do on my boat. I had a look several diesel heaters and decided the solid fuel approach is a better solution for me. Its a simpler system with no external tanks or pumps needed, and of course the prospect of free fuel. One thing that surprised me was the fuel consumption of the diesel heaters; 1.75 gallon/24 hours on a low setting and twice that figure on the high setting. That's a lot of fuel.
With my Dickinson New port I get a way with 3 liters a day on an just above freezing day. I would preferer a wood stove too, and mostly burn coal. It has a bad rep, but antraciet burns really clean and long. Wood needs constant refueling and attention.
hey guys! love this! when will you upload again?
And it’s eve got fiddles on the top😍
I cut the end out of an old fender to use as a cap on the flue top in the summer.
Good idea.
Just found your vid. Most excellent. Looks a lovely calm existence you have out there. By the way Pine wood gives off much resin. I would not recommend it. Wood ash from fire plus damp cloth will clean your glass a treat. Smoke might impregnate your m’sail cover?? All the best to you two.
sophie tabuteau-harrison sailors don’t always get much choice about what goes into the sold fuel burner
Sean Duggan hi Sean. I agree with you. That said I know it’s about keeping the flue temp high so creosote gets burned off. The challengethat it’s a very small stove. (I hope all goes well).
Burning hardwoods, we haven't had any build up concerns in two years in our Cubic Mini Grizzly. Although, we do get a slight amount of resin run across the deck that we have to wipe up once a week or so. The pipe is over six feet from the stove top to an H vent. I wonder if the distance has any added difference for that....
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Now you need a little Stihl electric chainsaw. Rechargeable of course.
Hi DT - thanks so much for this video. I'm installing the same set-up and it's massively helpful. Can I ask, did you use the 3" through-deck fitting from Dickinson or the 4", and where did the 'adapter' section of pipe come from? Was that part necessary to join the cubic flue to the Dickinson fitting? Many thanks.
Hi, all the Dickinson components and adapter are 3". The adapter came from Cubic Mini. It is just a stainless steel tube, so you might be able to source it elsewhere but I am not sure.
Hi guys. Great video! well done. i did see that you are burning some wood you find along with pine cones and such. The fuel you burn will greatly impact on how much heat is produced. The pine cones and wood with bark, has resins, and saps, which dirty the pipe up quicker. And also not burn as well as well seasoned hard woods. It still works if you do not use that type of wood, just it makes for a better experience if you. Thanks again, and a great video! Thanks
Thanks for the tip! It has been a learning experience, but a good one. We are somewhat limited by what we can gather, but we are much better now at the end of winter of identifying what will burn well. We are very happy with our cubic mini cub!
I am another one of your customers. I have both the cub and the grizzly . You instill confidence in your customers when we see you take the time to be helpful to people on various youtube videos. Good on you Cubic Mini Wood Stoves!
Phil B
Hi Phil, absolutely. If I can help here in the video, then others with the same issue may be able to solve the same thing they may be experiencing. Thank you .
@@grumpyartist9416 - as someone who owns/uses both the Cub and the Grizzly, I was wondering what your opinion is between using either of the two stoves for heating a small space like a sailboat or a van? A benefit that I see with the Grizzly is that it will burn for a longer period of time, but is it too much stove for such a small space? Thanks!
@@sailingdawntreader how long is the starboard and port mid seat/sleeping bunk?
Excellent video!!!! The cub is my choice as well and will be installing it soon ..I'm just concerned that it didn't help your v berth? Should have ..
Little miffed there ..but I cant wait to install mine...again thanks....stay safe!
Thanks! The v-berth would probably be warmer if we had a fan circulating the hot air forward. Also we often leave the forward hatch cracked to as an upwind intake for the stove which can't help things up there.
Super!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, Down Treader thanks for this informative video! I have a question for you. What is the exact type of "chimney top" you are using? I'm struggling with the question of which chimney top is suitable for marine purposes. Because of course, all would reduce the seaworthiness of my boat. What do you think of this?
It is a Dickinson cap. There is a cover for when at sea.
My minds eye says these have been in use for thousands of years in crew quarters. A fav haunt of the ships cat on cold nights.. Brown coal bricks (never black, too hot!) area good compact high energy fuel. Firewood takes up precious space.
A big help in drying clothes too.
Were you able to keep your sails clean with the smoke rising right under the main? - LOVE your videos!
incredible, i want to install a cub as well. what did you use for 'goops' for the hole and cementing the pipe? did you get the whole pipe set from Cubic Mini Woodstoves?
The exterior components are from Dickinson. The goop was some sort of stove cement from Amazon.
i was surprised by how dirty the flu was. is this connected to the oven size?
nice video btw.
Creosote build up is directly related to the quality of the materials that you are burning. Pine cones and wood that isn't completely dry as well as burnable garbage can clog a pipe in a hurry. The worst culprit is bark.
Really great video, guys - I'm glad I found you. We have been thinking of this stove for our sailboat as well, but the trickiest part has been that the only mounting option is directly aft of our mast, basically under our boom (and pearly white mainsail). How much soot do you have building on your canvas?
We haven't had any problems with soot on the mainsail. Sometimes we will shift the boom over to the starboard, but that doesn't seem necessary. Usually, when the fire is burning well, very little soot is produced. And usually there is some wind blowing the gasses away from the boat.
That dry black goo you've cleaned from the flue can be burned in the stove. Roll some little joints of it in paper and when your stove is burning hot and efficiently (no smoke), throw a joint in there. You will recover some energy that otherwise would be lost.
There are so many sailing channels with videos of the caribbean areas. It's nice to see something from a new area! Nice stove, too! Oh, almost forgot. Does the smoke stain your main sail or do you have an extra cover in that area?
Thanks! Smoke has not been an issue. When we first started using the stove we wrapped an extra length of Sunbrella fabric around the mainsail cover as a precaution. We also used to offset the boom to give the chimney more clearance. The flue usually smokes only when just starting the fire and more often than not there is some sort of breeze to disperse the flue gasses and smoke quickly.
@Potentiel Films The cap is from a Canadian company named Dickinson. The sell a few different down draft preventer styles. This one is specifically designed to prevent lines from getting caught as the boat tacks. It is a good cap.
Hey man, I also have a cubic mini cub in my RV. Iv'e been trying to find advice on the direction of the pipes though. After about a week I got some creosote dripping on the exterior of the piper, inside my cab and I asked alot of wood stove people and they all said the pipes were upside down. Cubic mini says to install with male facing down, myself, and everyone else installed them with the male side facing up (ridged side of the pipe.) I am really confused by this, because the pictures on cubic mini website even show the male side facing up! Do you have insight on this? It looks liek you installed with the male facing down?
Small computer fan and some 3 inch flexible ducting could blow dry air from near the stove into the Vee birth and maybe remove some condensation.
Good idea!
Creosote is from unseasoned wood, could be an issue. We're deciding between a dickinson newport oil bulkhead FP, solid fuel or cubic. Dickinson uses single wall, cubic is better being double. Space for us is limited too. The grizzly isn't much bigger. Nice thing about burning wood in the PNW, it's free! Like the wind.
The sawdust males a great compost toilet material for a simple bucket toilet.
Yeah, I like the new stove. My only question is about the amount of storage you're going to need as apposed to gas or diesel.
We can store about a weeks worth of wood without it getting in the way too much. The idea is that we'll be able to collect it as we go. So far it hasn't been an issue, collecting so often. We just pick a nice day and go hunting, gives us something to do.
@@sailingdawntreader Yeah that makes perfect sense, this had to be factored in to any consideration of solid/wood fuel vs diesal/propane - you guys have a natural abundant product. Please also see my other comments, you've got me hooked on the idea of this stove! I am a north sea sailor from England currently running a Junior scholarship Program on Chicago's southside - I just got an Ericson 32 I am working on and am very keen to go far and wide with it.
Hello again...you are getting multiple watches from me...as I watch what you did again and again. We have decided mentally to get one of these..the Grizzly for our 40 foot boat, but may I ask...HOW did you get it there? Did you fly back to the US/Canada and picked it up and flew back with it in your checked bag? Or did you have it shipped there? Trying to decide the best way to get it now ;) How is shipping in to Uruguay also...import duties for sailboats, or yacht in transit works efficiently? Approaching Uruguay in warm season will be warm and not need heat (approaching from Africa) Sorry for all the questions. You said in the beginning you were contemplating for years...same here...been contemplating the install of diesel stoves, diesel air systems, propane, and solid fuel. Have decided solid fuel... and have decided where, and how...now just have to GET it here! Really hope to meet you one day!! Patrick having sailed around the world on a Catalina 27 always has great respect for small boats doing big things :) -Rebecca
Hi Rebecca, thanks for watching and commenting. We are enjoying your channel too. I will email you more info about Uruguay as there are a lot of in's and out's but in short, the stove and related accessories came in the luggage of a visiting relative and a portion of it was flagged by customs for import duties at the airport.
This is great, do you have a parts list with links please you could post? Like for the flue and the heat guards etc. Thanks!
The cubic mini website has all the accessories and parts listed. We don't have one on hand though.
Does anyone know whether it exists a video or article about CUBIC Cub / Grizzly stoves or very little stoves transformed to be fed with wood pellets and worm screw (endless screw / auger)?
13:07 Is it condensation or smoke? (smell of burnt wood?)
What size boat is that? I'm trying to figure out if I need the cub or grizzly.
30 feet long
Are others alerted to the presence of an operating wood stove in your boat? As a stealth camper, I became interested in the Cubic Mini learning of its secondary combustion system that produces very little smoke. I saw 1 video verifying this, but yours is the 2nd video I've seen demonstrating ample smoke from the chimney.
Be careful with drift wood which was in salt water. I've heated houses and boats with wood since the late 1970s. I've been told by wood stove manufacturer that the salt in drift wood will shorten the life of the store. Anyway good luck, the Seawind looks good, fair winds
Thanks, is it a rust issue or something else? We have heard that burning driftwood can create somewhat toxic gases, but since the cubic mini is quite sealed we don't worry too much.
Yes the salt in the drift wood causes the fire box to rust faster than normal. Enjoy y your posts, fair winds
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The chimney came out just under the sail, have you seen any damage to the sail yet? I am just a t curious if the heat and smoke from the chimney will damage the sail.
The wood stove is nice. I see the stove pipe is directly under the boom. Do you have any problems with soot accumulating on the sails? It seems like this could be a potential problem given where the stove pipe exits the coach roof?
We haven't had any issues. When the wind is blowing the gas travels horizontally away from the boat. When the wind is calm, the flue is offset enough to clear the boom. We also cover the boom when not sailing, so that protects the sail as well.
Do you use this while you are underway making passage and heeled over? BTW, I have a boat with the same name!
How did it work down in Chile, and was it hard finding enough dry wood, considering how damp/rainy it is?
Generally good wood is quite easy to come by in Chile. There were exceptions but we always found something to burn no matter what.
see that you do what you love and love what you do,,great video ,, l have both stoves one for camping in the winter and one in my cabin ....was wondering if your stove pipe is double walled ,if not maybe should look into it ,,as it will help with less clean out and burn time
and safety just sayin , glad your trippin
Thanks for the comment. The flue is double walled on the interior and single walled exterior. We considered insulating the exterior but have not found a need to so far. We have found that the greatest performance variable has been fuel, which we burn a huge variety as we move around a lot and mostly forage for fuel. When we find the good stuff, it is magnificent. When we have to settle on less desirable fuel it can be inefficient and messy.
@@sailingdawntreader just worried about fire in the chimmey ,,be safe
If your using double walled pipe then your trying to make sure all the heat goes outside instead of into the boat? Maybe should get double walled stove also? Just saying because some people get pipe for propane stoves where the fresh air goes down inside the pipe and if you feel the pipe it's not even hot. Mine if you touch it you get burnt so I get lots of heat off of it.Brickets are great to use at night they last a long time!
Awesome video!
Just one question - what diameter hole did you need to drill through the deck? Am I correct that it is 7inch because the insulated flue is 5inch or did you use the uninsulated 3inch flue? I've been looking at a stove that has a 6 inch diameter insulated flue requiring an 8 inch diameter hole to be drilled in the deck and wondering if others do similar. Thanks!
The deck fitting is a dickinson 3 inch. It requires a 5 inch hole. I don't think Dickinson makes a 6 inch deck fitting, so you may have to source one elsewhere.
@@sailingdawntreader thanks!!
I must ask about your cooking stove gimbal!! Where did you get it! What’s it even called 😆👍 many thanks!
Hi, the stove is a primus style kerosene camp stove and the gimbal was made be James Baldwin. I think he might have more information about it on his website, www.atomvoyages.com
Can I ask how something like a diesel stove would work into a comparison?
I would get a Dickerson diesel heater.
so what happens in very bad weather? how do you seal the chimney
Hey also, can you tell us more about why you didn't go for the Dickinson? Two good reasons I heard of was 1) it smokes too much, 2) it's got no glass door (the propoane/diesal versions do but not solid fuel from my research)
- I guess for me being being able to see the flame is integral to the comfort/charm of a wood-burner.
The Dickinson, I think, has a smaller firebox and therefore puts out less heat.
super kewl... i did the learnding watching..lol thank guys!!
I want to purchase one like yours
But cannot find anywhere here in Australia 🙈🙈
From a boatyard crew in Michigan U.S...Fatsco company produces a fine little cast iron high performance wood stove. The common name is TinyTot, & the small model I purchased is the Pet...all the details one may find online- Fatsco Tiny Tot
Using hardwood instead of soft/evergreen woods will cut down on how much cleaning you need to do. You can also use charcoal.
Do not use beach wood. The salt in the wood will burn out even the highest grade stainless pipe. Cheers from Vancouver Island.
Probably could rinse it off. I'm certain you meant ON the wood. Surely you don't believe that xylem and phloem are transporting salt INSIDE a tree...
I agree about beach driftwood that has been floating around on salt water for sometimes months or years. It's a real stove killer. Also, no, you can't rinse the salt off it. If you have to use driftwood occasionally, only gather well above the tideline, and use wood that has been sitting in the rain for many years.
We love our #cubicminicub and have been using it for many years in our sunroom. It replaced our Dickinson Newport, which was great as well, but I had to cut out the firebox sides and replace with eigth inch stainless after burning it out. It required constant feeding though. I hope to put the Newport in my Vivacity 20 twin keeler that is my retirement project.
@@Daviddickson I wonder how salt gets into the wood. Mangroves, for instance, excrete salt through glands in the leaves and/or use ion transporters to remove excess salt, reducing salt content of water in the xylum by about 90%.
I guess I just hear the hokum but I don't understand how it's possible. Call me a "see it to believe it" kinda guy, but there it is.
@@Frindleeguy on the B.C. coast, our salt water is filled with flotsam (logs, trees, etc.) that over time, absorb salt from ocean water which can't simply be rinsed off. They end up on beaches and are great for bonfires, but not steel woodburning stoves.
Pretty sturdy cabin top that is ! ...Did you paint the interior white. or was it the original colour ?
We painted the interior white. Originally it was formica made to look like wood.
@@sailingdawntreader nothing can match the beauty of a wood grained mid seventies formica panel ;-)
Here's a trick for ya. Find a furniture store that uses hard wood and ask for the scrap. They will be happy to give it to you and will fit your stove. Also use a bit of spoon full of rock salt in the fire to keep the creosote down. Burn it hot and make it toasty. It can take it.
Thanks for the suggestions. How does rock salt keep the creosote down?
Not sure about what the salt does it's what they do in Alaska to keep the build up down by some chemical reaction. But I would keep those little stoves fed with a dry hard wood. To keep the stove at it's hottest to burn the creosote down. Had a chimney fire once. Almost lost it all. @@sailingdawntreader
Guys, do you sail with it burning? Or do you put it out before a passage
We've never used the stove while sailing.
Burn hardwood and run it hot. Creosote buildup will be minimum. Sick setup.
What size boat do you have, I have a 34foot and I ordered my stove
Which lasts more firewood or coal?
Thanks.
Is this an issue with marinas / their policies for longer stays, or adjacent slips / slip holders in terms of their boats and smoke?
And your own boat insurance?
Deck staining?
We have definitely had some deck stains, but it doesn't bother us. Some marinas or insurance might have issue with a wood stove, but it hasn't been an issue for us yet.
Dawn Treader Thanks!
I really don't understand why the heater could not have been mounted on the bulkhead over the bench seat years ago, and leave the table alone? Maybe, that bulkhead is a favorite place to recline and read a book or watch TV?
So you cant fit a heater but you can store wood?
Large amounts of wood we store ashore.
Hey guys, are you going to make a stop in Mar del Plata in your way south? I lived there many moons ago (1973) if you do, one day take a taxi to a restaurant called "Los Camioneros" it's located a couple of miles down the avenue that starts st the port Juan b. Justo Ave. Have fun
Not sure yet about Mar del Plata, but thanks for the recommendation. If we stop there we will definitely check out "Los Camioneros". We sailed to Buenos Aires a couple months ago and we love Argentina, especially the food!
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I can't believe that it got that grungy so fast. Are you burning wet wood? Also, you never mentioned whether that was the Grizzly model or the Cub. I am thinking the Grizzly. I realize that this video is kinda old and I may not get a response. :)
I have a diesel hydronic system that heats the air and water. I just ordered the cubic grizzly. I think relying on only a wood stove would mean an issue around storage for the wood (beach wood rusts the stove badly).
Did you buy the flue from cubic mini? Part above deck?
The flue is from Cubic Mini. The deck fitting and chimney cap is from Dickinson. Cubic Mini made an adapter sleeve to join the two components together.
@@sailingdawntreader thank you for the info!
A damp bit of newspaper dipped in the ashs & rubbed on the glass cleans it nice .
Updates
Assume not an option for extended marina stays in colder climates -perhaps stay on the hook
what was the cost of the stove and all the chimany pices
If you buy a 12 volt blower you will be able to move the air around the boat evenly
Sorry, I don't expect you to answer all 3 of my boring questions! haha BUT: what's the maximum diameter kettle or cooking pot you can use on the Cubic Mini Cub?
Hi John, max diameter is about 4.5 inches circular with the retaining bars in place, more if the bars were removed. A traditional small sauce pot will NOT fit, but we have some large stainless steel cups that fit nicely.