The Rapture How I went from Pre Trib to Post Trib
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- I was taught the Rapture was at the beginning of a 7 year Tribulation Period, but after careful research I discovered that view was not accurate. And after reading the scriptures on the subject, and books by many authors on the issue, I learned the Rapture ( The Return of Christ and our gathering to meet Him in the air, on His way back to earth to rule and reign ) comes at the Last Trumpet, and the end of the Great Tribulation. We can trust that God can and will protect the Elect while the Wrath of God is poured out on those who have rejected Him, and received the mark of the beast. Something I'll be addressing in future videos.
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I have been chosen for many years now. I became an atheist in jr high school after i realized as a kid that The Catholic Church was not of God! The Lord searched me out and showed me that he is real! The Rapture Theory was concocted in 1830. In my experience,those that are pre trib rapturists are very fearful people.most have Embraced that theory to avoid unpleasant things that might happen to them. I have always known that i will have to lay my life down for the Lord,as he laid his life down for me!
True, the rapture theory will make even more "christians" fall away, as all false hope will.
So 1 Thessalonians was written in 1830?
No,the Rapture Theory was concocted in England in the year 1830.( Supposed to be based on a vision of a 15 yr old girl!) Did not gain popularity until the early 1900's ,during WWI, Many thought the end times were upon us. ( The carnage, and the devastating Spanish Influenza that actually ended the war!) Converts embracing the Theory believed that they would not endure any suffering. The Fearful were drawn to it, like a moth to the flame!
It's funny how the pre-tribbers always say WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF HAVING US SUFFER TRIBULATION? Ummm the very reason you are so dependent on the pre-trib rapture doctrine, YOU don't want to suffer for his name's sake, even though he PROMISED us tribulation, persecution and even death for following Him.
It's a purging process to weed out the fake saints, that don't really love Him enough to lay down their lives for Him. How tragic to value life in this fallen, broken world over eternal life with Him.
The second ironic tragedy, is most people who buy into the pre-trib rapture have this escapism mindset, that this earth is not our home, that we are just passing through and they just stare up in the sky waiting for Jesus. However, Jesus told us to occupy until He comes to establish His Kingdom HERE. So yes, this IS our home, and we are to advance the Kingdom HERE as commanded.
This escapism mindset has made so many Christians passive and completely detached from the affairs of this world, and we've taken this nation founded on God's laws and principals and turned it into the Roman Empire. So ironically, it's their pre-trib belief that tricked them into bringing on their own persecution, in a nation founded to be a safe haven for them.
@@cryptojihadi265 "pre-tribbers" have not read the Bible, much less understood the fact that the way is narrow, the gate is strait and few there be who find it. They are on the broadway to oblivion with their "church".
I never believed in pre-trib but started studying pre- wrath which made more sense but not completely. Now I'm studying post - trib which answers a lot more of my questions about the timing of the rapture .
You're missing the best parts. The harvest of the crops is before his return. We are his body, and we will return with our Lord. The Lord does not want you to go down into the bed of tribulation. His bridal remnant will speak to warn the church and the world but will be rejected by all. The Lord warns his saints to let no man take thy crown. Mans doctrines will steal many crowns! The church has the opportunity to not go down into the tribulation period, but their doctrines are going to take them there. They should have had crowns, but now they are holding palm branches.
Revelation 3:11
[11]Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Know this....if there is a LAST TRUMP, there is a FIRST TRUMP. If there is a HIGH CALLING, there is a LESSER CALLING. A remnant will be SEATED in the MIDST OF THE THRONE, wearing CROWNS. Other believers will be STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE, holding PALMS.
There are 3 companies of believers that will be taken out of here by ranks before the middle of the week of tribulation. I hope you can hear the truth so you can depart with the first call at pretrib.
The LORD DOES COME AFTER TRIBULATION, but what you can't see or you have never been taught.... WE COME WITH HIM. The whole church is already in heaven by the middle of tribulation, dear believer! I am going to show you some verses to give you a FULL VIEW, and maybe your eyes can receive spiritual understanding.
Let's go!
Matthew 24:28-31
[28]For wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
The eagles are the FULL OVERCOMERS that departed into heaven at pretrib. These are the Philadelphian Eagle Saints that were kept out of the hour of temptation.
Revelation 3:10
[10]Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
WHERE IS THE CARCASS AND WHO IS THE CARCASS?!?!? The answer is Jesus, and he is seated on his throne in heaven.
Revelation 5:6
[6]And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a LAMB AS IT HAD BEEN SLAIN, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
The EAGLE SAINTS ARE FOUND IN THE MIDST OF THE THRONE WITH THEIR BRIDEGROOM, THEY ARE WITH THE LAMB WHO WAS SLAIN. NOW.....Let's talk about when these full overcomers eagle saints were caught up to heaven.
The book of John represents the EAGLE. John is representing the full overcomers, the Philadelphia eagle saints. They were CAUGHT UP ALIVE through the open door, directly into the throne room, at pretrib, on the morning of the day of the Lord! Read the verse below, my friend. The FIRST VOICE IS THE FIRST TRUMP! The Lord shouts to John the eagle, "COME UP HERE!"
Revelation 4:1-2
[1]After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the FIRST VOICE which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET (((THE FIRST TRUMPET CALL))) talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
[2]And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
OK, as I have proved through scripture that it is there. The eagles are already in the midst of the throne before we get to the next verse.
[29]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
****In verse 31, his elect are gathered FROM HEAVEN, not the earth.****
Furthermore, the verses used in 2 Thessalonians are scriptures to comfort those believers left behind.
I Thessalonians was written to those believers who laid hold of the high and heavenly bridal call.
Prewrath does not exist without the pretrib foundations of Darby's 70th week bogus singular interpretation...2 Peter 1:20
@RandyRoth-mo3lz Paul taught a pretrib bridal rapture. Just know that redemption has absolutely nothing to do with the company you are caught out of here with. There is warfare in heaven! Satan, that great red dragon isn't cast out until the middle of the week of tribulation. The fullovercomers will be the only ones ready to go through the open door at pretrib. The bride hath made herself ready! The fullovercoming Philadelphian saints will be the only company prepared for such a battle. They will storm the land and take it by force! The bulk of the church will be left behind because of unbelief. Israel is laid as a pattern for the church.Only Joshua and Caleb crossed over Jordan because they believed the TRUE REPORT!. They are symbolic of Christ and the faithful one. The rest of Israel believed the evil report, and they couldn't cross over because of UNBELIEF! Another pattern is David, the man after God's own heart. He crossed over Jordan FIRST WITH HIS MIGHTY MEN! God looks at his people like crops, and you will not go up until you are ready.
If you believe I can't back, pretrib up with scripture, then just ask. There will be a pretrib rapture but only for his prepared bride. The church is the BODY OF CHRIST. The bride is a very small remnant OUT OF THAT BODY OF BELIEVERS. The Lord beautifully patterned this for us in Genesis. While Adam ( THE CHURCH) slept, God formed a bride OUT OF ADAM'S RIB ( A RIB POTION, A REMNANT). The bulk of the church is in a DEEP SLEEP. They have spots and wrinkles in their robes. This is a spiritual problem! Wrinkles are on their robes because they're lying down in a deep sleep. Spots are on their robes because of false doctrines. There needs to be a finishing work done in the wheat company of the church, and you are exactly right. This is happening during the first 3 1 /2 years of tribulation, as you quoted in Rev 7. These are they that came out of great tribulation. Christ wiped tears from their eyes. They know they missed the bridal calling in Rev 4.
You can also find these left behind daughters in Song of Solomon yelling, "RETURN, RETURN, OH SHULAMITE SO THAT WE MAY LOOK UPON THEE!" The brides presence will be greatly missed! Christ had fully manifested himself in these believers, and their absence will be felt!
If you don't add the church to the thousand year reign without one Bible verse that supports that
Revelation 7 14 white robes
Revelation 20 4 thousand year reign
The church rapture is at judgement day
John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times
@@jsteele650
Revelation 14 14 shows the reaping
Revelation 15 2 saints only
The pre wrath first resurrection is for the saints that overcome the Mark of the beast
I came to the knowledge a neighbor man told me that there was no such thing as a pre-tribulation that we were taught my false teachers so I went on my journey of digging to see what the truth wise. Yes, I found the truth. We will be here for this tribulation. We will be either martyred or thrown in prison as the word says, or even beheaded, if we do not deny our Lord and Savior as a Christian and overcome, I repeat, overcomes he mentions it quite a few times in the Bible, the patience of the saints, or the overcome the persecution or the tribulation. He even tells us he won’t blot our name out of the book of life. That tells me that you could lose your salvation. If you take the mark of the beast by choice as a Christian, you lose your salvation. If you do not repent of your sins, you lose your salvation he says he will plead with his father to keep your name in the book of life, I suggest you repent of your sins and have faith in him. Stay strong, never deny his name we are about to go through the worst of the worst that earth has ever seen those who, overcome, and have patience will see the glory, the new earth, the new heaven, and live with our Lord and Savior. God bless, stay strong.
Losing salvation is a hard topic for some. We must stay steadfast in the faith. Anything less than that will not be worthy of the kingdom.
That is denying the grace gospel. We are saved by grace.
@@AnjieandZoey4Jesus Yes, grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9). What happens if someone denies Jesus? They are denied access to the Father in Heaven (Matthew 10:33). I don't think a true Christian can lose their salvation, but it is possible for someone to think they're saved and be denied in Heaven (Matthew 7:21).
The Church(the Bride of Christ) will definitely not be here for the seven year tribulation period.
That is a time of God finalizing his prophetically appointed dealing with the Jews, the nation of Israel, and it is a time of his judgment and wrath being poured out on the unbelieving world. The only Christians during that terrible time will be those who have believed after the Church, the true believers have been caught up to Jesus to escape that horrendous time.
We will not be here for the tribulation.
God has not appointed us to wrath.
Jesus took God's wrath upon himself so that we would not have to.
We are living in the age of God's grace and mercy, the Church Age. Now is the time of salvation! Those who accept Jesus now will not go through that hour of terror and tribulation.
Absolutely agree! And No one will survive the Antichrist. We have nothing to prove by going through the tribulation because we are saved by his Grace…. It was all paid on the cross. If I’m wrong, then i will die for Christ! I just can’t see his bride being tortured, decapitated, and killed,
Including women and children too. Why would our lord hand his bride over to the AC, and say have at it. This makes No sense.
One thing I see with pre-trib believers is that they add their logic to scripture rather than accept it for what it is. I watched a video of a pre-trib doctrine where the guy admits that he doesn't want to be here for the tribulation, none of us do. However, Jesus teaches us not to fear such events and to lift our heads up when we see such events because it is a sign that our redemption draws near. Pre-tribbers forget the fact that God did not give us a spirit of fear, but a spirit of love and a sound mind. On top of that, Pslams, Proverbs and more provide a massive number of passages that reveal how God will protect us from evil such as Proverbs 10:25, Psalm 12:7, Psalm 37:34 and Proverbs 2:7-8 among many. God bless!
They also appeal to emotion. Jesus would NEVER beat up His Bride. Yet they have no problem with God beating up his firstborn son Israel.
There is a pretrib rapture dear believer but not all those that believe in pretrib will go in pretrib.The Philadelphian saints are the church of BROTHERLY LOVE. The bride wants all saints to be harvested with the barley company at pretrib. The bulk of the church will reject the bridal calling. Believers will go to heaven when they are ready to be harvested. The crop must be ready before it can be harvested. Barley and wheat are both grain companies that are both planted at the same time, in the autumn. Barley matures faster than wheat and is harvested in the spring. BARLEY IS THE BRIDE, and she leaves at pretrib. Wheat is harvested in the summer. Wheat is the great multitude church gathered in Rev 7..... THE VIRGINS WITHOUT NUMBER AKA THE INNUMERABLE COMPANY! The final company, caught up at midtrib, before the open door is shut, are the grapes that are gathered at midtrib. The grapes are the 144,000 Jews. The Jews finally believe Christ is their king because they gleaned the truth from the Barley and wheat companies.
There isn't a pretrib rapture in scripture. A sound mind is fruit of the Holy Spirit. We interpret with a sound mind
@StonesofZion After being filled with the HOLY SPIRIT, he will give you a sound mind by leading and guiding you into all truth!
The harvest of the crops is before his return. We are his body, and we will return with our Lord. The Lord does not want you to go down into the bed of tribulation. His bridal remnant will speak to warn the church and the world but will be rejected by all. The Lord warns his saints to let no man take thy crown. Mans doctrines will steal many crowns! The church has the opportunity to not go down into the tribulation period, but their doctrines are going to take them there. They should have had crowns, but now they are holding palm branches.
Revelation 3:11
[11]Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Know this....if there is a LAST TRUMP, there is a FIRST TRUMP. If there is a HIGH CALLING, there is a LESSER CALLING. A remnant will be SEATED in the MIDST OF THE THRONE, wearing CROWNS. Other believers will be STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE, holding PALMS.
There are 3 companies of believers that will be taken out of here by ranks before the middle of the week of tribulation. I hope you can hear the truth so you can depart with the first call at pretrib.
The LORD DOES COME AFTER TRIBULATION, but what you can't see or you have never been taught.... WE COME WITH HIM. The whole church is already in heaven by the middle of tribulation, dear believer! I am going to show you some verses to give you a FULL VIEW, and maybe your eyes can receive spiritual understanding.
Let's go!
Matthew 24:28-31
[28]For wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
The eagles are the FULL OVERCOMERS that departed into heaven at pretrib. These are the Philadelphian Eagle Saints that were kept out of the hour of temptation.
Revelation 3:10
[10]Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
WHERE IS THE CARCASS AND WHO IS THE CARCASS?!?!? The answer is Jesus, and he is seated on his throne in heaven.
Revelation 5:6
[6]And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a LAMB AS IT HAD BEEN SLAIN, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
The EAGLE SAINTS ARE FOUND IN THE MIDST OF THE THRONE WITH THEIR BRIDEGROOM, THEY ARE WITH THE LAMB WHO WAS SLAIN. NOW.....Let's talk about when these full overcomers eagle saints were caught up to heaven.
The book of John represents the EAGLE. John is representing the full overcomers, the Philadelphia eagle saints. They were CAUGHT UP ALIVE through the open door, directly into the throne room, at pretrib, on the morning of the day of the Lord! Read the verse below, my friend. The FIRST VOICE IS THE FIRST TRUMP! The Lord shouts to John the eagle, "COME UP HERE!"
Revelation 4:1-2
[1]After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the FIRST VOICE which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET (((THE FIRST TRUMPET CALL))) talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
[2]And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
OK, as I have proved through scripture that it is there. The eagles are already in the midst of the throne before we get to the next verse.
[29]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
****In verse 31, his elect are gathered FROM HEAVEN, not the earth.****
Furthermore, the verses used in 2 Thessalonians are scriptures to comfort those believers left behind.
I Thessalonians was written to those believers who laid hold of the high and heavenly bridal call.
@jsteele650 none of your anecdotal comments ate scriptural. The BIBLE says the tares are gathered first, not the wheat. And yes I have the Holy Spirit (the real one) and He has born witness that there is no pretrib rapture. The Father Himself has told me there is no pretrib rapture. I have already studied the scripture. Matthew 24 tells you when it is. Believe it all you want. It will not come for you. God Bless. You HAVE NOT heard from the True God on this issue. I just want to be clear.
Love these vids warning the body of Christ that we will face not God's wrath but rather the Great tribulation!
The great Tribulation IS God's wrath and the Bride of Christ will NOT go through it. There will be Tribulation Saints but we are not part of that time. Rightly divide the Word.
NOT even close dude. the Great Tribulation has NOTHING to do with GOD's wrath. YOU have been lied too.@@AnjieandZoey4Jesus
@@AnjieandZoey4Jesus the great tribulation is not gods wrath go to the very end, when God pours out his wrath, and those who are evil, and do not believe it tells us many times what God’s wrath is through the Bible. Jesus himself tells us we will be in the tribulation, and that we will be persecuted for his name sake, for the testimony that we give because Satan hates us. Revelation tells us that Satan will have control over us to do what he wishes. That’s where the patience of the saints will come in in the overcoming of the persecution that will happen. This is why we were warned about the great falling away, because so many people believe in that faults fables that they were taught I think it’s second. Timothy four verse four. Actually just go one through six. Don’t believe the fables. If you actually really and truly dig through the Bible, I am into it now 3 1/2 years and just the end times the last days with Daniel, the Prophet and revelation the gospel there is no pre-TRIB and when you hear people say those are the tribulation, Saints show me gods verse that says that. Show me the verse that says the churches and the Saints or the elect aren’t the same because through the gospel some places they say were called the saints and others they say where the church . Look up John Lewis Derby there was actually three people who started the fables of the pre-tribulation if you dig, and I mean dig into the older churches in history none of them believed in pre-tribulation. Just prepare your hearts. This is why there will be a great falling away.
We are not appointed to wrath.
Pick up a Bible.
@@scottdunn2178 we all know we’re not appointed to the wrath you pick up the Bible look at the end of revelation. When the wrath happens they pour out the bowls of wrath then Jesus Christ comes back how many times in your Bible does he come back? He only comes back once and he comes back at the end. I am the beginning and the end. I am not appointed to go to hell or I should say the lake, a fire the wrath Jesus himself said we will be persecuted for our testimony of him. Show me in your Bible where it says pre-tribulation or there’s tribulation saints there is not one verse not one. Open your Bible, read it one word at a time get a Greek dictionary, which will also help you understand to compare the words. Go to second Thessalonians chapter to read that slowly go to second Timothy chapter 4 start at verse one Specially look at second Timothy, 4-4 don’t let the fables of the false teachers. Why do you think we will have a great falling away that’s the Christians who are going to turn against God for the tribulation that we’re about to go through. Why do you think he warned us all through the Bible, and here’s my personal question. Why do you think God would’ve allowed millions of people to die, for his name sake for his testimony, even his own apostles why are you so special that you don’t have to stand with the testimony for him as he did for you do you really think in the new world that God has created for us? He wants people who can’t even stand for his testimony to be there. Why do you think he told us that he was going to thrash the wheat when you take a grain of wheat you can’t tell the difference between it but when you thrash it, the poisonous side drops out and the good stays we’re about to go through the hardest times, and you better prepare your heart for it. Why would he tell us it’s better to die in him because you’ll live forever open your Bible slowly read Word for Word match Matthew 24 side-by-side with the book of revelation, Jesus his own words
Thank you for your humility and exposing the truth of God’s word. I truly believe the “pre-trib” rapture theory” is very potentially dangerous to the body of Christ, in that if anyone is not prepared for endurance to the end, especially during those times, as Jesus implied, may cause many to defect from the faith and to grow cold. MARANATHA!
What man would allow his bride to be abused before his wedding? Not one. Jesus takes the bride to a safe place to marry her before the appointed wrath. That cross around your neck tells me that you’re religious. That’s all I need to know.
Sounds like an argument spawned by satan and I have heard it many a time before. The wheat will be threshed from the chaff with a "tribulum" during the wrath of satan, the man of sin. If you endure and overcome, the crown of life will be yours.
Jesus isn't going to marry only a part of the church and party it up in heaven while the rest of the church is on earth being killed and persecuted by the antichrist. You're going to be surprised when the antichrist is revealed and YOU will still be here.
I guess you don't understand the point of tribulation? Since the early church, what was the circumstances that led to most people's repentance in the growing church? Persecution!!!!! Id you haven't noticed, it's God's best time of evangelism to fulfill his promises he made with Israel in which he has the 144,000 and the 2 witnesses! Many will be saved and come to Christ, but most will be martyred and it's not because he don't love them, this so the greatest extent of his love! Hes in the business of saving souls!!! I'd you read in Rev 7, there's a lot that come out of the great tribulation! (Martyrs) This what he was doing for his bride! Saving her!!! From Hell
We see a consistency of there being a resurrection, a gathering, a redemption, a rest, a deliverance which comes after the abomination of desolation and after the Great Tribulation... but before God's wrath and vengeance in flaming fire from heaven.
The Bible is consistent on this.
Revelation 6- 7, 8:1-7
Joel 2:31-32
2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10
Isaiah 26:19-21
Luke 17:29-30
Matthew 24:29-31
Luke 21:25-28
Mark 13:24-27
Daniel 7:21-28
Daniel 11:31- 12:3
Paul teaches this to the church.
Romans 10:12-13 Paul points them to this deliverance in Joel 2:32 which has signs immediately preceding, and that matches Revelation 6:12-14.
Paul again points to a resurrection in Ephesians 5:14 while quoting Isaiah 60:1. This resurrection is occurring on a day of deep darkness, Isaiah 60:2. This matches Joel 2:2-3 and Zephaniah 1:15 which are "Day of the Lord" passages. And Paul seemingly links the resurrection and rapture to the "Day of the Lord" in 1st Thessalonians 4:15- 5:10. Remove the chapter break which did not exist in the original letter and this should be plainly obvious.
"Concerning the times and the seasons"
Concerning the times and the seasons of what?
What was just being discussed?
This "times and seasons" phrase is also borrowed from Acts 1:6-7 concerning the return of Christ.
So the return of Christ which the resurrection and rapture will take place on (Luke 17:29-30) will take place just before the Day of Vengeance commences... even on the same day. 2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10. Paul is addressing church age saints here. These same words and teachings would apply to us.
Even the term "innumerable multitude too many to be counted" is an idiom for the children of Abraham. Not according to the flesh, but according to faith and the Spirit. John 3:3-8.
Genesis 13:16
Hebrews 11:12-16
Numbers 23:9-10
Romans 9:6-8
Galatians 3:3-9
Who is able to stand? Revelation 6:17
Psalm 76:7-9
Malachi 3:2
Nahum 1:6
Joel 2:10-11
These are: Revelation 7:9
Luke 21:34-36
Yes I agree it is simply stated in II Peter 3 and I Corinthians 15 and Mark 13. He will take us up at the last day. No one will be confused by this event everyone will see Jesus coming. Yet many will already have been deceived by antichrist. I hope all will read all these scriptures you put up thank you!
God poured out His wrath for sin when Christ was on the cross. When we believe in Jesus, Christ is within us. Why would God punish Christ twice for sin when He pours out His wrath on the people of earth during the Tribulation?
Wrath is not the same as tribulation. I think many believers think the two are the same. Tribulation is hardships that we will face and many believers are facing it now in some countries. Wrath is God pouring out his righteous anger onto the earth and cleansing it. Believers will endure the tribulation but not the ultimate wrath. Think about the disciples… they all had the Holy Spirit but were martyred as are many believers. I think we can forget that Christians are being murdered in other countries as I write this but it hasn’t happened here (yet).
These people are biblically ignorant.
We are not appointed to wrath.
Revelation 3:10
Also, if Jesus resurrects all believers at the end of the tribulation, and the wicked are slain, who populates the earth in the millennial reign? According to Isaiah 11, children are born during that time. In my opinion this debunks the post tribulation view. I should know, I used to hold that view.
@@paisleylvr7 The individual didn't SAY that tribulation is the same as "wrath"...read it again, or better yet, let me tell you what the person said...
*"THEE"* tribulation is the wrath of God. Don't try & conflate the two. In *Rev 6* we find LOST people can recognize that the wrath of God has been in force, so SURELY those of us with the completed closed canon...the opportunity to avail ourselves of truth from varied sources...the Holy Spirit abiding in us should be able to come to that same conclusion.
Jesus said," there is no greater love,than one laying down his life for his friends!"
And follow that up with this Amazing Grace of Love too..
Romans 5:8.. God demonstrated His own love to us, in that Whilst we were yet sinners (not His friends), Christ Jesus died for us.
@@trulyso734 The Lord made friends with all sinners, his Apostles were Sinners .Judas, and even Peter Denied Him Three times in one night before the cock crowed! The Holy Spirit was not given to Believers Until the Day of Pentacost.
AMEN
ALL YOU OR ANYONE HAS TO DO TO FIND THE TRUTH OF WHEN JESUS RETURNS IS TO READ YOUR BIBLE ??? MARK 13 V24-26 AND MATHEW 24 V29 - 31 CLEARLY STATES JESUS RETURNS "" AFTER '' THE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION. EXACTLY WHEN WE DONT KNOW . JUST BE READY FOR YOUR SALVATION DRAWS NEAR.
You sir are confused. There will be two events. 1. Rapture--Christ comes like a thief in the night 2. Second Coming All will see him
He can come like a thief in the night at any time. Nowhere in the Bible does it say this will happen before the tribulation. It doesn’t even hint this.
@louparry7721
You are confused. Study your Bible and ask God to remove the scales from your eyes.
Your Username should clue you in as to what *I Thess 5* tells us, which is we ARE not of the night.
"Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness." *I Thess 5:5* and also verse 8 states the same. The text identifies the TRIBULATION being that period of darkness that we, as believers, will have *NO* part in.
We will have a part in it, and are to be watching, alert, and praying for strength during this time. The 2nd coming and the gathering of the saints occurs at the same time. There are not 2 separate events. This is explained in more detail in other video posts on this channel. The "Great Tribulation" and the 7 bowls of God's Wrath do not come until the very end. Reference other Videos in the End times Playlist for more details. Also, reference 1 Thessalions chapter 5:
3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
**** We will SEE it unfold, and not be "fooled" as most of the world will be ( and they will be caught off guard )
@@webelongtotheday2029 Brother...there's no *"2 for 1"* combo event where the rapture & 2nd coming are _rolled_ together. Here in your reply, you've simply made a few claims/statements, but I see nothing to support them.
The text you quote refutes the notion that we're even HERE. There seems to be a real disconnect on your end brother...YOU, your USER-name makes the very claim, that we belong to the DAY, not the night. That period (the night") is where people will be found saying "peace & safety", but the VERY VERSE YOU CITE, *AND* your username states that WE (the church), are NOT of the night, wow.
*1* Where's the scripture that gives us the WHY the church will be here?
*2* If Christ returns w/o the rapture taking place in advance, what about heaven?
The _ENTIRE_ tribulation period is the *"WRATH"* of God...how can you say o/wise?
Peace out brother. All the best to you in your search for truth, *MARANATHA!*
Jesus did not teach we would not have tribulation, but quite the opposite. John 16:33 says, "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." NO part in it?
1 Peter 4:12-16 "Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name."
That last scripture comes from the one who was crucified upside down for the cause of Christ. While we are the children of the Light, we still need to endure for the cause of Christ. Are you better than Peter that you should not have to put up with any adversity? Sorry but you are in error.
@@krisgangwer3796 Those are not eschatological passages. They do not deal with *THE* tribulation in any way, shape or form. In other words, you've got a misapplication of texts and your argument does not fly.
@@Kman. Jesus is telling you that we are going to undergo tribulation and you are saying they do not deal with tribulation? Wow. Peter says that we should not be surprised at the firey trial, but to rejoice that we share Christ's sufferiings....but this has nothing to do with the tribulation?
I see that you are fulfilling the scriptures... (2 Tim. 4:3-4) "For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.…"
Misapplication? Hardly. You want the crown before the cross and, sir, that won't fly!
"How I went from being pre-trib to being post-trib" I READ THE BIBLE!
Some "believers" love Bungee Jumping - post Tribulation rapture. Then, it is not necessary to be raptured. For what purpose of rapture??????????????????
Because we're raptured before the bowls are poured. The bowls are God's wrath, the Great Tribulation is Satan's wrath.
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1Thess 1:10 And to wait for His Son from heaven, when He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the WRATH TO COME.
1Thess 5:9 For God did not appoint us to WRATH (God's wrath/not Satan's), but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rev. 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you FROM the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test THOSE (unbelievers) who dwell on the earth. (The church has been taken away)
Don't get me wrong, the 7 year Tribulation is God's Wrath or God's judgement. NOT satan's. I don't under how you read the Holy Bible. 😊
@@kenklein9228if your Raptured just before the bowl judgements , why pour out the bowls when no one will be on earth .
@@nzbrotrev9028 Those who aren't raptured will still be on earth.
@kenklein9228 the wicked are removed first , aren't they , according to Matthew 13 at Christ second coming , Matt24 one taken the other left & Luke 17 same again , one take the other left , the ones taken are removed to hell (burnt) , so that would leave the righteous Saved to be caught up to meet the Lord in the air then come back down with him , in the post trib view no one is here when you get back
Oh God, and I went from the mid to the pre. How's that for something. But in the long run, who cares anyway. We should be doing what he tells us to do each one personally. Let's let him find us doing what we are supposed to be doing instead of trying to figure out the rapture timing.
You quoted the second coming of Christ. The rapture (harpazo) is a separate event that happens before the seven years of tribulation. John is actually telling the story of the tribulation from heaven, with the church behind him. The church is not mentioned after the 3rd chapter of Revelation. If the rapture comes at the end of tribulation, what is Christ saving his bride from? and are they to immediately turn around and return with Christ when they meet up with him in the air?
I've also thought this but where I am struggling is about the dead rising first, the first resurrection happens after the devil is put away just before the 1000yr reign, now 1 thess 4:15 says the living will not proceed the dead. The first resurrection is in rev 20 after the devil is put away....so how do we know then the rapture is before the tribulation? I am struggling with this? Tribulation can only happen with the devil ans Anti christ and then he's put away and then the dead rise so how is it possible. Even tho I understand that the marriage supper discussion why do the dead rise after the devil is out away.....and the living do not proceed the dead?
Pretrib theory is nowhere found in the Bible.
Good point👍
Are you reckoning all the church gets in behind the seated 'elders' in heaven at Chp 4? So far, each time I read Revelation, I get the impression we form part of "the great multitude" in Rev 7. Then another batch comes out of the tribulation in Rev 14 (which could just signify the last 3.5yrs of Jacob's trouble with everything the AC beasts will do, not a full 7yr last week of Daniel's 70th week prophecy exclusive to Israel).
Just to help clear up misunderstandings from semantics, there is no generic biblical problem in identifying saved sinners, who dont make a practice of sinning without remorse and correctio, as 'saints' of God (this is not in terms of works nor by our own righteousness but in just keeping on His cloak of righteousness, washed in His Blood, having a living testimony of that primarily). Those who take refuge in Him are all saints of God Most High. Saints are not a reserved word in meaning attached exclusively to the jews in Jesus' day or today.
Christ is saving the church from apostatizing.
The idea that the ENGLISH word "church" is not found in the Bible after Rev.3 is apples and oranges.
1) The English word "church" was translated from the Greek "Ekklesia" which means "CONGREGATION of the ELECT." It ONLY applies to either a specific congregation or members of a home fellowship, or the universal church. Individual redeemed gentiles were called "the elect", "saints", or "servants."
NEVER is a single or a few individual believers called a church. (Actually, the word 'church' originally referred only to the PLACE where religious meeting and ceremonies were held, not the people who made up the congregation.)
The words saints, servants, and elect do continue to appear, because the focus in Rev. 1 - 3 was on the congregations of 7 churches in Asia Minor.
From Rev. 4 it is focused on events, rather than congregations.
Once the Beast empire is in power, churches will be crushed and the saints. elect, and servants will be scattered.
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It is interesting to note that all 7 of those churches were destroyed by the very same empire that followed Rome (The Ottomans/Islamic caliphate.) According to Rev. 17 the final Beast empire will be a Latter Days revival of the same empire that followed the Romans. Erdogan of Turkey has been actively working to revive the Ottoman empire/Islamic caliphate.
Light and darkness couldnt be more contrasted. Im not looking for the day of the Lord. Thats walking by sight, not by faith. That would be the opposite of our instruction to walk by faith, not by sight.
Day of the Lord is bringing judgement and war. Opposite of grace and peace.
Rev 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Isaiah 5
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Amos 5:18 and 20
18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light.
20 Shall not the day of the Lord be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
1 Thessalonians 5
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
Yet another case of going from truth to error.
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The Difference between Pre Tribulation Rapturists,and Post Tribulation Accension is like Night and Day! It is almost Impossible to get through to Pre Tribulation Rapturists, despite the Overwhelming amount of scriptures ( Old and New Testament)that paint the Truth in Vivid Detail. My cousin Debbie has been a " Born Again Christian" since she was in her twenties. I've been a Christian since my mid twenties as well! I'm a die-hard Bible Believer, that cares nothing for the opinions of others! Many of the Fearful Rapturists are very concerned with the way others see them! My Cousin Debbie,my brother Jimmy,and myself had lunch at a nice restaurant on the chagrin river on Lake Erie. She was harping on me nonstop about washing my hands again,and to use hand sanitizer after handling any of the condiments. I was forced into a position to put a stop to her imposing her Germiphobic Fears on anyone else! I Mentioned to her that it's not Fair to Force others to bear the brunt of her Fears, and that her fears were ruining our lunch! The Chosen are Not Fearful! We are to be Lambs laid out for The Slaughter, Like our Lord was!
With all the *O V E R W H E L M I N G* scripture you speak of, it's so "interesting" (for lack of a better word @ the moment), you failed to bring even ONE passage, yea one VERSE for that matter. And let's be honest, citing verses hardly qualifies for validating a/thing, but seriously...where's your argument from SCRIPTURE?
Verse 31: "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" From one end of Heaven' NOT the earth..
That literally I'd the sky over the earth. Not the 3rd heaven lol
This is the verse that makes me believe in no rapture. It says at the last trumpet.. thats blown when Jesus comes for the 2nd coming...when his foot touches down...
@tjharmon891 many verses speak of this last trumpet. All at the end. Yes I agree
If you u/stand that to be the rapture of the church, you're o/looking a few *OBVIOUS* things. For instance...
*1)* Angels aren't enlisted/commissioned to gather us @ the rapture...we simply rise to meet Him.
*2)* That is not the rapture trumpet in the verse...it's the prophesied trumpet you can read of in *Isaiah 27:13.*
*3)* That gathering in Matthew obviously takes place on the ground, so clearly it's not the rapture.
*4)* You're begging the question, for "ELECT" isn't a technical word & does NOT refer to the church here, sorry.
Now, that's just the one verse you put up, *Matt **24:31**.* We don't get the luxury of _SKATING_ all thru a chapter to dig out a SINGLE VERSE, to craft a narrative...that's contextomy. The *CONTEXT* is established in the previous chapter by the way, so take a few steps back...read thru *Matt 23* & see what the Olivet Discourse is all about~:)
All the best to you in your search for truth, *MARANATHA!*
@Kman. You're deceived. And yes we are elect. "To make your election secure" Yes by the Blood of Jesus we are elected unto salvation. And the Holy Spirit does not bear witness of pretrib. 2 thessalonians rules it out. And yes all rapture scriptures are referring to the Return of Jesus.
The second coming in Mathew and the being caught up (rapture) of the Church the Body of Christ in 1st Thes. 4:16-18, are two different events. We must rightly divide the word of truth as taught to us by our apostle of the gentiles, Paul, in 2nd Tim. 2:15.
I had accepted and then had doubts about the pre-trib rapture taught by Lindsey and others. Post-tribbers make some excellent points. I have come to this conclusion.
1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the only resurrection for the saints on the last day, last trump (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52). But I still believe there is a pre-trib rapture in Luke 17:22-37.
There will be eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, building, and weddings at the Luke 17 event.
At the second coming there will be famine, drought, hyperinflation, violent storms, earthquakes, and meteor strikes will stop the planting, and building, and love will grow cold rather than weddings.
"Will be taken" in Greek means to take and receive, not take and destroy. The same root verb is used in John 14:3.
All post-tribbers and dispensational pre-tribbers think Luke 17:22-37 is the second coming because of the dead bodies in verse 37. I believe we will leave our bodies on earth (no resurrection) just like a natural death but our spirit/soul is taken to heaven.
Why have a resurrection pre-trib? Do those in heaven today have defective bodies (2 Cor 5:1-6)? No, I think they are perfectly happy with their heavenly (spirit) body (1 Cor 15:40, 44).
Maranatha!
The "dead" are "asleep", and I don't see where they have a "body". I believe all saints are "awakened" and receive their new bodies at the same time ( return of Christ ). A topic worthy of it's own video teaching.
The 2nd coming and the gathering of the saints occurs at the same time. There are not 2 separate events. This is explained in more detail in other video posts on this channel. The "Great Tribulation" and the 7 bowls of God's Wrath do not come until the very end. Reference other Videos in the End times Playlist for more details. Also, reference 1 Thessalions chapter 5:
3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
There is a pretrib rapture dear believer but not all those that believe in pretrib will go in pretrib.The Philadelphian saints are the church of BROTHERLY LOVE. The bride wants all saints to be harvested with the barley company at pretrib. The bulk of the church will reject the bridal calling. Believers will go to heaven when they are ready to be harvested. The crop must be ready before it can be harvested. Barley and wheat are both grain companies that are both planted at the same time, in the autumn. Barley matures faster than wheat and is harvested in the spring. BARLEY IS THE BRIDE, and she leaves at pretrib. Wheat is harvested in the summer. Wheat is the great multitude church gathered in Rev 7..... THE VIRGINS WITHOUT NUMBER AKA THE INNUMERABLE COMPANY! The final company, caught up at midtrib, before the open door is shut, are the grapes that are gathered at midtrib. The grapes are the 144,000 Jews. The Jews finally believe Christ is their king because they gleaned the truth from the Barley and wheat companies.
So, you don’t believe in a pre tribulation rapture but, the 1st century church fathers (the ones who studied directly under the original apostles) taught a (drum roll…) PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE. I’m going to listen to them rather than a guy who bounces around like a rubber ball. Oh, congratulations on getting out of Catholicism.
Christ never spoke nor was it revealed until Paul the catching away. Second coming is what is found elsewhere in the Bible. He will appear in the clouds for the rapture but not return until after the tribulation. You read Matthew correctly as the second coming but it’s not the rapture.
Correct!! Thank you for stating this so clearly 🙏
It is my understanding that people who believe in a post-trib gathering of the saints believe that the tribulation is 1260 days. However, Daniel says the tribulation is 1335 days. Scripture says the gathering is at the seventh trumpet, before the bowls/vials of wrath but NOT after the 1335 days. The 1335 days are “cut short” to 1263.5 days when the body is gathered.
This is (from my understanding) a “pre-wrath” view of the rapture.
I know about the 1260 days ( mentioned in Revelation ) and the 1290 and 1335 in Daniel chapter 12, but I"m currious how you came up with "cut short" = 1263.5 days. I've never heard that before ( and don't see it in the scriptures ).
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Sure..
The two witnesses have to prophesy 1260 days. Add 3.5 days of being dead before that trumpet sounds.
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11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
EVERYTHING looks just like the resurrection of Christ. Just like “many of the OT saints were raised with Him” so there will be saints raised with the two witnesses.
The ministry, death, resurrection, and ascension of the two witnesses look EXACTLY like Christ.
Everything down to the earthquake.
Same same…
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
If you see it happening with Christ you will see it happening with the two witnesses.
The entire purpose it to remind the world of Christ.
They are “the two anointed ones.”
He is “the anointed Prince.”
It all looks exactly alike.
Thanks, I understand the MATH now - And it sounds reasonable. The two witnesses have to prophesy 1260 days. Add 3.5 days of being dead before that trumpet sounds.@@sarahlynn4790
@@webelongtotheday2029 correct
Thank you… i’ve been telling people this we must prepare stay close to God, we will be here.. when the antichrist, the Mark of the beast comes on the scene…. And those who are not prosecuted will be here for the millennium when Jesus Christ reign king over the Earth. We must endure to the end my brothers and sisters… get into the word, and it will speak…… and it just came to me. You know that might be the great falling away… the pre tribulation for many people….
You must believe works = salvation huh?
@@detectiveniggachu860 Probably just quoting Matthew 24:13. You know, when Jesus said "But he that endureth to the end, he shall be saved."
A lot of people misunderstand what "endure to the end" means. They think it means you have to do some work to earn your salvation. The verse is actually a warning to us to continue in the faith, and not be deceived or quit loving one another. Context is everything!
@@detectiveniggachu860 no I don’t believe that… what I do believe faith without works is dead…. now, if a man is dying on his deathbed, and he chooses to accept Christ, and he does being sincere in his heart.. he will inherit everlasting life. But he doesn’t have any works.. so… if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is Lord, he shall be saved.. God is looking at our faith not our works as it says, by grace through faith you are saved not works so no man can boast….
@@jamescrumbaker3169 precisely… keep having faith keep going until you’re called home.. if you give up in the middle of the marathon you’re not going to receive your reward, trophy, medal.
Yes the rapture will take place before the great tribulation but you still have it wrong.
..The rapture will take place before the tribulation even before the tribulation 'Israel 144000 will be sealed in the midst of the 7yra while the church will already caught up.Rev:4 0:24
Amen! Mark explains the tribulation and rapture in the order. Obviously the tribulation first comes, Christians were persecuted before and especially DURING the tribulation according to Daniel then the sun moon stars darkened then Jesus came to rapture His church
We all will go by rank and order as the Apostle Paul told us.
There is a pretrib rapture, but not all those that believe in pretrib will go in pretrib.The Philadelphian saints are the church of BROTHERLY LOVE. The bride wants all saints to be harvested with the barley company at pretrib. The bulk of the church will reject the bridal calling. Believers will go to heaven when they are ready to be harvested. The crop must be ready before it can be harvested. Barley and wheat are both grain companies that are both planted at the same time, in the autumn. Barley matures faster than wheat and is harvested in the spring. BARLEY IS THE BRIDE, and she leaves at pretrib. Wheat is harvested in the summer. Wheat is the great multitude church gathered in Rev 7..... THE VIRGINS WITHOUT NUMBER AKA THE INNUMERABLE COMPANY! The final company, caught up at midtrib, before the open door is shut, are the grapes that are gathered at midtrib. The grapes are the 144,000 Jews. The Jews finally believe Christ is their king because they gleaned the truth from the Barley and wheat companies.
Go rambos. No one left to rapture
@mikesmith6461 You're missing the best parts. The harvest of the crops is before his return. We are his body, and we will return with our Lord. The Lord does not want you to go down into the bed of tribulation. His bridal remnant will speak to warn the church and the world but will be rejected by all. The Lord warns his saints to let no man take thy crown. Mans doctrines will steal many crowns! The church has the opportunity to not go down into the tribulation period, but their doctrines are going to take them there. They should have had crowns, but now they are holding palm branches.
Revelation 3:11
[11]Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Know this....if there is a LAST TRUMP, there is a FIRST TRUMP. If there is a HIGH CALLING, there is a LESSER CALLING. A remnant will be SEATED in the MIDST OF THE THRONE, wearing CROWNS. Other believers will be STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE, holding PALMS.
There are 3 companies of believers that will be taken out of here by ranks before the middle of the week of tribulation. I hope you can hear the truth so you can depart with the first call at pretrib.
The LORD DOES COME AFTER TRIBULATION, but what you can't see or you have never been taught.... WE COME WITH HIM. The whole church is already in heaven by the middle of tribulation, dear believer! I am going to show you some verses to give you a FULL VIEW, and maybe your eyes can receive spiritual understanding.
Let's go!
Matthew 24:28-31
[28]For wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
The eagles are the FULL OVERCOMERS that departed into heaven at pretrib. These are the Philadelphian Eagle Saints that were kept out of the hour of temptation.
Revelation 3:10
[10]Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
WHERE IS THE CARCASS AND WHO IS THE CARCASS?!?!? The answer is Jesus, and he is seated on his throne in heaven.
Revelation 5:6
[6]And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a LAMB AS IT HAD BEEN SLAIN, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
The EAGLE SAINTS ARE FOUND IN THE MIDST OF THE THRONE WITH THEIR BRIDEGROOM, THEY ARE WITH THE LAMB WHO WAS SLAIN. NOW.....Let's talk about when these full overcomers eagle saints were caught up to heaven.
The book of John represents the EAGLE. John is representing the full overcomers, the Philadelphia eagle saints. They were CAUGHT UP ALIVE through the open door, directly into the throne room, at pretrib, on the morning of the day of the Lord! Read the verse below, my friend. The FIRST VOICE IS THE FIRST TRUMP! The Lord shouts to John the eagle, "COME UP HERE!"
Revelation 4:1-2
[1]After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the FIRST VOICE which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET (((THE FIRST TRUMPET CALL))) talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
[2]And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
OK, as I have proved through scripture that it is there. The eagles are already in the midst of the throne before we get to the next verse.
[29]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
****In verse 31, his elect are gathered FROM HEAVEN, not the earth.****
Furthermore, the verses used in 2 Thessalonians are scriptures to comfort those believers left behind.
I Thessalonians was written to those believers who laid hold of the high and heavenly bridal call.
Yep bingo
If Christians don't know about the Four Churches of Salvation in redemptive history, they will not understand the KJV Bible of 1611. The Lord revealed this to me when I came back after I died on admission at the hospital. The Lord tells me to teach to the world before he comes. I am waiting for the Platform that he has prepared for me to start preaching soon. The Lord tells me that to date nobody UNDERSTANDS.
"He who has an ear, let Him hear"
- Lord Jesus Christ, the risen Lord still says to His people and across all His churches.
LOL - Keep looking - you will eventually get it right and find the truth.
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Amen brother! *MARANATHA!*
I myself just recently moved away from the Pretrib fairytale. Nothing supports it biblically.
Go rambos
There is a pretrib rapture dear believer but not all those that believe in pretrib will go in pretrib.The Philadelphian saints are the church of BROTHERLY LOVE. The bride wants all saints to be harvested with the barley company at pretrib. The bulk of the church will reject the bridal calling. Believers will go to heaven when they are ready to be harvested. The crop must be ready before it can be harvested. Barley and wheat are both grain companies that are both planted at the same time, in the autumn. Barley matures faster than wheat and is harvested in the spring. BARLEY IS THE BRIDE, and she leaves at pretrib. Wheat is harvested in the summer. Wheat is the great multitude church gathered in Rev 7..... THE VIRGINS WITHOUT NUMBER AKA THE INNUMERABLE COMPANY! The final company, caught up at midtrib, before the open door is shut, are the grapes that are gathered at midtrib. The grapes are the 144,000 Jews. The Jews finally believe Christ is their king because they gleaned the truth from the Barley and wheat companies.
Good job.
Interesting, I went from post tribulation to pre tribulation.
That's called rejecting Christ.....Every aspect of dispensationalism is a rejection of Christ.... the end conclusion is that Christ is no longer the way, the truth and the life... but somehow we can make it to the Father through the mere man Paul. If Christ directly told us that He comes after the tribulation.... Matt 24:29-31... shouldn't there actually be Scripture that suggests that He comes prior, before its even a consideration? To teach the opposite of Christ is to be antichrist... 1 John 2:18,19... interesting how John tells us that they come from within the church?
@RandyRoth-mo3lz Yes there is a scripture that tells us we will not go through the tribulation, Revelation 3:10.
@@camloken Those who add to the Book of Revelation will have the plagues of the Book added unto them, and those who subtract will have their names subtracted from the book of life... Rev 22:18,19.
Let's consider Rev. 3:10.... We are not called to "interpret Scripture but to rightly divide what is already written. In this passage it tells us that because a particular group of people did something(works) that God will do something for them.... "Keep them from the hour of trial". Every person on Earth in every time has had an hour of trial.... It comes on the whole earth.
Jesus prayed, John 17:15, " I pray that you would not take them from the Earth but keep them from evil...
If you remove all speculation assumption, conjecture, opinion and flat out lies... your view ceases to exist...Poof... No Scripture actually states what you pretend. Not to mention that you are offering a salvation of works..... becuase of the contengency required to be raptured/saved... from the hour of trial.
10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.......... Is the "hour of trial" the Tribulation period ( 3 1/2 or 7 years )? Many would say No it is not what the angel of the church in Sardis was referencing.
@@webelongtotheday2029So a person can be 'raptured" by works? .... does that also mean a person can be saved by works? In Rev 3:10, this particular group of people did something and as a result, God told them that He would do something in return. What works are you doing so that you can be 'raptured/saved" by? Have you read John 17;15? How do you then suggest the opposite of Christ in Rev 3:10?
“I made a separate decision to become a disciple.” After that I’m having a hard time listening to the rest.
Pre-trib, post-trib, so long as, is what i say.
The post trib, to me, makes more sense. God will give every chance possible to redeem what/who he loves.
A lot of people will have to see with their own eyes and feel with their own flesh before they believe. It will fall to the saints, the belivers, to inform/ point out the light, Jesus, in those very dark days.
No, the 2 witnesses will be testifying to the lost, as will the 144,000 Jews who are sealed by God. They will be pointing to Jesus- especially to the unbelieving Jews.
The rapture will provoke the Jews to jealousy (Romans 11:11)
The church is the bride of Christ. We will be in heaven with Him, and then come back to earth with Him at the Second coming (Revelation 19).
@@allisonrees6763
you repeat the same errors as taught by liars.
If you think God has only two witnesses world wide during great tribulation,
you are mistaken.
the church is not the bride.
We are the children of the bride.
Galatians 4
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
@@GodsOwnGodZone See Revelation chapter 11.
@@allisonrees6763
Revelation 11
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
witness = candlestick
Revelation 1
20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: 👉and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.👈
candlestick = church
witness = candlestick = church
the resurrection at the last trumpet of the two witnesses and the rapture in the clouds is the same resurrection and rapture in the clouds PROMISED TO THE CHURCH.
endure trumpets 1-6 to witness the resurrection at the 7th
or
DIE, and be raised from the dead at the last trumpet.
There is no other option.
and the rapture in the clouds is AFTER
the resurrection.
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@@allisonrees6763
ONLY STUPID PEOPLE don't want to see Jesus return from heaven IN THE CLOUDS with POWER and GLORY
AFTER GREAT TRIBULATION
AFTER THE SIGNS in the SUN, MOON and STARS
JUST AS IT IS WRITTEN
Mark 13
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
This gentleman is onto something. The primary problem is the pre/mid/post tribulation question. Although frequently tabled, it's a VERY poor question. A good question to ask is, "When does God's wrath start?". This is because, "We are not appointed unto wrath". So, start looking in Revelation when God's wrath begins, and backtrack where the 'church, the "Body of Christ is". The Matthew chapter 24 reference has absolutely nothing to do with the rapture.
I like his insight, but he is not quite up to snuff..
BTW, I've identified the "Body of Christ" in Revelation.
The biggest problem is that some do not make the distinction between the tribulation and the wrath of God. They seem to be confused. While we are not appointed unto wrath, does that mean that the church will be removed? Perhaps we shall be covered as Israel was covered during the plagues of Egypt? I question your argument regarding chapter 24 in that it speaks of the gathering of the elect after the tribulation (v. 29-31).
So, answer this. Why should we keep watch over the signs of His coming?How can Jesus come unexpectedly "like a thief in the night"?
Jesus directly quoted Daniel 12 when He refers to the "abomination". But the rest of the verse that He was quoting says :Daniel 12:
11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
Now, the context of Daniel 11 and 12 are prophecies about the last kingdom that rises to power, and the two figures that rule in this kingdom,just prior to the coming of Messiah. Daniel 12 is about the end of this kingdom rule,when Messiah returns.All the Jews knew this prophecy,that's why Jesus quoted it.
So,Jesus CANNOT come at any time. He comes,1335 days after "the abomination",and the daily sacrifices are stopped. That's clear and straightforward.
Now why do we even have to keep watch over "all these things",when we only have to watch for this one event? Because know we know when Jesus returns.
2nd, In Matt.24,refers to the days of Noah, giving us a context for what it will be like when He comes. When Jesus teaches this,it has nothing to do with what happened to Noah. It has everything to do with how people were living in these days. They were living business as usual,eating and drinking, planning to get married,and see their children marry, ALL the while,being unaware of the flood (judgment) that was going to come upon them suddenly. He used this analogy and concluded with,the rapture vs.40,and the warning , Therefore keep watch for you do not know when". Now,this wouldn't make sense to those listening would it? Jesus already quoted Daniel 12 about the abomination.The knew the day Of The Lord ends with the Messiah's return,1335 days later! So why did Jesus teach this?
Now,tell me you believe that people will be living,"business as usual", all the way through the tribulation period. because anyone with common sense would say that's absurd! That was the whole point of the "days of Noah" reference. The context has nothing to do with Noah,or how God saved Noah. The point Jesus was making was HOW they were living in the days of Noah,just before the flood (judgment) came and drowned all of them. They were "eating and drinking,marry,and giving away in marriage," another words business as usual, all the while,NOT KNOWING that judgment was upon them. Then Jesus said "and SO ALSO will be the coming ..." This clearly indicates He is talking about coming Before the judgments,before the tribulation. Not after.
In Revelation 6, when the seal judgement are opened. It should be clear that the tribulation period has begun. At the third seal,something happens causing the cost of food skyrocketing, in todays terms,hyper inflation skyrocketing. A mans daily wages couldn't feed him or a family. Famine is the result.
Matt.24: "they were eating and drinking"...Eating and drinking what? certainly not after the third seal.
The fourth seal:8 I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth. So now, almost two billion people die after this one seal. But people are looking forward to get married,and see their children marry? Marry who, the lucky survivors? The whole world is traumatized in fear,but their still going on living business as usual,completely unaware that judgment has come? Do you really believe that,be honest?
By the fifth seal,the world is aware of the saints being slaughtered for their faith. Which means this is surely a time of death for many.
But by the 6th seal,
12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”
Now people ARE certainly AWARE that the WRATH and judgment of God has fallen on the whole world,and they're terrified. So according to Jesus' teaching in Matt.24, He has to have come at least by this point.And this is in the beginning of the judgments,not at the end.
But there's more, Matt.25 is post text to Jesus' teachings about the signs. In the parable of the ten bridesmaids,who represent the churches. preparing for the groom's return (Jesus), we see "because the groom was delayed in His coming,they ALL grew weary and FELL asleep". During the tribulation period? How is this possible? In Rev.13:7, the Antichrist is destroying,killing, all the saints. I notice it's the saints and not the church. The church hasn't been mentioned since Rev.4.
But if this is the church, do you really believe that the whole church just FALLS ASLEEP!,while they're being hunted down and slaughtered? Again tell me how this is possible?
You see,it's only a PreTrib rapture that can unexpectedly. What Jesus is referring to in Daniel is "the Day Of The Lord", when the Messiah comes to judge the earth,destroy Israels enemies, and begins His thousand year reign. The rapture IS NOT Jesus coming to Earth,it's the church leaving the earth.
Again,it's the rapture that can only come unexpectedly. because if the rapture and the day of The Lord are the same event,you have a scriptural and logical contradiction. Now the doctrine of the imminent return of Jesus is a major one. Jesus and the apostles taught about it. But there is no imminent return in a Post Trib scenario. The days are numbered to a specific event.
I Believe That The Rapture Will Occur In Either Mid Trib Or Post Trib. GOD Will Definitely Have To See Whom The Real Christian's Are. We Will Have To Endure Much Horror And Martyrdom! May GOD Richly Bless ALL Of Us Whom Can Endure 'TILL The End Of The Age.🌺🌺🌺🙏🙏🙏🇨🇦🇮🇱♾️🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🦅🗽‼️
God already knows who's true
@@rickyclabough1847Amen
There is no such thing as a rapture. If there were, it would be clearly stated in Mark 13, Revelation, and Matthew 24 where God tells us how the end times will happen and there is no mention of any rapture. In fact, the Rapture is refuted in Isaiah 52:12 and Ezekiel 13:20.
Go rambos
There is a pretrib rapture dear believer but not all those that believe in pretrib will go in pretrib.The Philadelphian saints are the church of BROTHERLY LOVE. The bride wants all saints to be harvested with the barley company at pretrib. The bulk of the church will reject the bridal calling. Believers will go to heaven when they are ready to be harvested. The crop must be ready before it can be harvested. Barley and wheat are both grain companies that are both planted at the same time, in the autumn. Barley matures faster than wheat and is harvested in the spring. Wheat is harvested in the summer. Wheat is the great multitude church gathered in Rev 7. The final company, caught up at midtrib, before the open door is shut, are the grapes that are gathered at midtrib. The grapes are the 144,000 Jews.
How do you explain Revelation 19:21 ("And the rest were killed with the sword ..... ")??? If the believers will be raptured Post-Trib, and at that time "the rest will be killed" (ie. those who took the mark of the beast), then there will be no human beings left on earth to transition into the Millennial Kingdom ....... I'm a Pre-Trib believer for this reason as well as other scripture / context. ......... God Bless!!!
The kingdom is for Israel only. If you are not descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, you will live til you die. You will sleep til you are called at your appointed time post reign.
The resurrection order as outlined by Paul is 1 Corinthians 15:20-24
After Jesus’ DB&R with firstfruits
The first resurrection (blessed hope) is post trib/post wrath/Jewish believers going into the kingdom age.
All others will be resurrected post reign. Truth is neither pre trib nor post trib. It’s a post reign resurrection for most.
This is the final resurrection, the end.
Revelation 20:5
There will be humans. There are those who will remain neutral, who refuse the Mark but are not believers. There will also be children born who survive into the millennium.
Understand that "The whole world" was a term often used to describe the whole nation, the whole land, or the whole empire. Not every nation will join the Beast. There will be survivors.
The kingdom is for redeemed Israel. Just as the kingdom of David was for Israelites, but David himself was of Moabite descent as well as Israeli. He was fully Jew, as Ruth became a Jew by choice. Believers will also be spiritual Jews by Choice and adoption.
Tribulation is God's wrath being poured out. Christ took the wrath of the church, the church will not be here. The church is never mentioned in Revelation after chapter 3 because we are not here.
Saints and believers are mentioned many times throughout Revelation.
@@duskacornwell5932 They are, yes, however when the tribulation begins, NOBODY is saved. Coming to faith DURING the tribulation, makes them "TRIBULATION SAINTS". One of the express purposes of the tribulation is to bring Israel to faith. *Matt **23:39* alerts us to what they'll cry out...Christ directly quotes *Ps 118:26* BTW.
@Kman. The Church doesn't need to be gone during the Tribulation for Israel to be drawn during that time. In fact, I believe the Church will be instrumental as the Holy Soirit works in and through us to bring many saints into the fold. Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 exactly what will happen. He doesn't comfort them by saying, "But fear not, those who have put their belief in me will be rescued before any of these difficult things happen." No. He tells His followers they will face the Tribulation of those days.
@@duskacornwell5932 @duskacornwell5932 I'm out of town and not at a computer, but you have not presented a/thing, stating that *WE* are in the *Matthew 24* passage...you've merely made a claim, & you've conveniently slipped us in the text, actually CRAMMING us in there in an effort to find support for a narrative, but it's just not so. I stated that that is one of the reasons. Where would the text be that tells us why we would have to under go and endure any of the tribulation? Guess what...there are none, yet there are SEVERAL passages giving us the purpose of the tribulation, and we are not found in any of those passages.
@@duskacornwell5932 I've returned & *looking* for your reply...are YOU still _LOOKING_ for the church in the *Matt 24* passage? SPOILER ALERT...it's not gonna happen. *Maranatha!*
Ive tried to believe in a pre-trib rapture, and I've studied the Bible about this myself, and i just don't see it. I believe the church will be here during that time. I know the Lord Yeshua can protect us through it, but i hope people quit believing in a false hope of being out of here before the great tribulation. I believe the resurrection will be mid point or at the end, not before.
what verse did Jesus and Paul say to the gentile believers that they would have to suffer and must endure in the coming great tribulation?
Where did they say we wouldn't?
read Matthew 24 the tribulation JUDGMENT is for the Jews.
matthew 23 are the sins of the Jews
matthew 24 are the JUDGMENT for the Jews
now why the GENTILE BELIEVERS will also suffer the TRIBULATION JUDGEMENT for the SINS OF THE JEWS?
what reason?
now show me the verse where Jesus said in Matthew 24 that the GENTILE BELIEVERS will also ENDURE TO THE END in the GREAT TRIBULATION to get saved?
@@kenklein9228
Thank you. Yes, Matt 24:29 is só clear!
In Matthew 24:29 Jesus is not referring to the rapture. Please read my rebuttal to this that I posted here today.
It's clear that the passage deals with the 2nd coming, & *NOT* the rapture of the church, yes.
God is not going to let his bride go through the tribulation. What purpose would be after ? His second coming is then. Wake up.
Yes and his church is not appointed to wrath and it is going to be bad at the beginning of the tribulation. I'snt that what it means to be save also?
Tribulation and His Wrath are 2 separate events. They are not synonymous.
That is the first major failure of pre trib understanding.
It is you that needs to wake up, or you will fall away as Jesus describes in Mathew 24-25
@@ZUGTFO All of tribulation comes from above and God has never sent down punishment from above on what he sees as Just. The tribulation Jesus spoke of that we must endure is the same he himself endured at the hands of man not from above.
You know why says in the Bible..Jesus will come back in the robes dipped in the blood of his enemies for the slaughtering of the Saints… why do you think it says Jesus will come back as a conqueror and as avenger.. in revelations, it says the people that were killed (old saints)they ask God when will you avenge us… he says wait a little longer and gave them whites robes and said until the full number of your brothers and sisters must be slain as they were… we have to face prosecution as the early church did.. but it’s OK cause we must remember. This is not home our inheritance is with Jesus! The Bible says fear not who can kill the body, for he cannot kill the soul, but fear HIM that can kill the body and soul in hell.
@@jacobkennedy941 It says that cause he does come back to avenge the saints but that does not at all mean there is no rapture for those who are worthy as Luke tells you to pray that you are. We do not have to face any punishment that comes down from above as neither did anyone else in all of scripture that God sees as Just. A loving God does not punish those doing as he asked them to do only those who are not.
This video is demonstrably not true, claiming the pre-trib rapture is credited to J N Darby in the early 1800s. There are multiple references to a pre-trib rapture going back as early as the church fathers.
I would encourage anyone who believes the lie that Darby invented this teaching to type into RUclips the rapture grace at work.
thank you for confirming that there will be a great falling away (of doctrine) before the rapture. You are contributing to a faster return of Jesus Christ for His church.
2 Thessalonians 2:3a "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, *except there come a falling away first,"* KJV
The Bible is clear that church believers are not destined for God's coming wrath. The tribulation saints will go through God's wrath. Look what Paul tells the Christians
My fellow brethren,Please read all of Mathew 24,1st Corinthians 15, Revelation 6,7,and 11:13-19, and even in 1st Thessalonians 4 16, It's the Voice of the Archangel,and the Sound of The Trumpet (the 7th Trumpet, Revelation 11) that herolds the return of The Lord And The Harvest of the Chosen.
No Believers at the Lord's Coming? What! Wherever your outrageous views origin is from, it's not Biblical! You said that my view is weak. I don't see any scripture that you've listed at all!
Keep up the great work you are doing! Keep speaking the Truth! Continue to debunk the Scofield/Darby teaching and may the Wisdom of the Holy Spirit be upon you as you bring the truth concerning our Lord Jesus return! Blessings upon you and I'll see you on the other side!
What a silly statement friend, it is the Apostle Paul that is teaching on the translation of the church. Paul taught this in the first century. Stop buying into Christian conspiracy theories!! 😂 🤣
Your understanding is very wrong. It is you who have misunderstood scriptures. You have also been deceived about the origins of the pre-trip rapture. You of course are free to believe what you choose but when you share it then you are misleading others and depriving them of the blessed hope of that day of redemption, resurrection and catching away. We are not destined for wrath!
The 2nd coming and the gathering of the saints occurs at the same time. There are not 2 separate events. This is explained in more detail in other video posts on this channel. And I agree we are not destined for the Wrath of God, but that does not excult Christians from persecution, tribulation, and perhaps martyrdom. These specifics are addressed further in other videos on this channel. The Blessed Hope is simply = Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
No, Christians are not
excluded from persecution, trials and tribulations, death, and martyrdom. They are not excluded now and never have been, nor will they be right up until the harpazo when He catches us up to be with Him. Then, the 7 year time of Jacob's trouble begins. The time when God will finalize his prophetically determined dealings with the nation of Israel/the Jewish people. The time when God will judge the unbelieving world. We will not suffer the persecution and distress and tribulation of that time because He has promised to keep us from it. He has promised that we will escape it. We will be with Him. We will be celebrating the marriage feast of Christ and His bride(the Church). Then we will return with Him at His second coming at the end of the 7 years.
The Harpazo(the catching up, the rapture) and the Second Coming of Christ in judgment are two separate events.
At the rapture, believers will meet Christ in the air (1 Thessalonians4:17). At the second coming, believers return with the Lord to the earth (Revelation19:14).
The rapture is an any-moment event (1 Corinthians:50-55; 1 Thessalonians 5:2). It could occur at any time. It is imminent. We should be watching, waiting, and ready.
The second coming will clearly take place at the end of a seven-year tribulation (Revelation 6-19).
Believers will be removed from the earth in the rapture before it is judged (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17; 5:9).
Unlike at the second coming when unbelievers will experience judgment (Matthew 24:40-41).
The rapture will be instant and secret (1 Corinthians 15:50-55).
The second coming will be visible to all (Matthew 24:29-31).
In 1 Thess.1:10, Paul wrote that Jesus would rescue us from the coming wrath. The Greek word for rescue in that verse means to deliver or draw to oneself. The Greek word used for from indicates a separation of time and distance. This means the Lord will draw us to Himself to distance us from the time and place of the wrath to come.
Paul began chapter 1 Thess. 5 by talking about the timing of the Day of the Lord. He said the world would not know the day or hour in advance and that it would come like a thief in the night (1 Thess. 5:2). At a time when people are saying “peace and safety” it will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape (1 Thess. 5:3).
So, the context of this passage tells us that Paul was not talking about the actual day of the Lord’s return at His Second Coming, because earlier we learned that He will come to put an end to the worst period of devastation the world has ever known, NOT while people are thinking peace has come. From other scripture passages, we know that Daniel’s 70th week will begin with a perception of peace (Daniel 8:25), which will quickly be replaced by war. Therefore Paul’s reference to “peace and safety” points to the beginning of Daniel’s 70th Week, not the end, not the actual day of the Lord’s return.
He said believers should not be surprised by this and changed his narrative from the third person (they) in verse 3 to the second person (you) in verse 4. He did this to distinguish between the unbelieving world, who will be surprised, and the believers who won’t. Being sons of the light (having the knowledge of Scripture), we will be able to see the signs of its approach, and when we do, we should be awake and alert.
After expanding on that thought (Vs. 5-8) he came to verse 9. “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.“
It is obvious and understood that believers will not suffer the eternal wrath of God that awaits unbelievers. But the context of the scripture in 1 Thess.5:1-9 is the Day of the Lord. It is the time when the end times judgments will fall upon an unbelieving and unsuspecting world. That’s the wrath Paul was talking about. That is the wrath believers will escape. That is the Rapture - the Harpazo!
In Rev. 3:10, the Lord promised to keep us from the “hour of trial” that’s coming upon the whole world. A different Greek word for “from” is used there. It means > out of the place, time, or cause of the event being referenced. So, His promise is to keep us out of the time and place of His wrath since we’re not the cause of it. Put it all together, and it’s clear that we won’t be here for any of it.
These differences are important. If the rapture can take place at any moment, then believers are urged to live holy lives with a sense of urgency to share Christ with other people.
An any-moment rapture shows that God will rescue His people prior to His judgments upon the earth. This perspective resembles the pattern of God rescuing Noah and his family in the ark prior to His judgment of the earth by a flood and His rescue of Lot and his family prior to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
1 Peter 2:5-9
...He did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment,
Pretribulation rapture is also symbolized by the tribulation period described in Revelation 6-19 which does not once mention the church. Not one single time. Strange if the Church is here during that time. The most likely explanation for this omission is that believers have already been rescued from this time of judgment through the rapture.
Both events are distinct from each other. When Christ returns at the rapture, He will come in the air to take His people to be with Him. When He comes at the second coming, He will return in judgment and defeat the Antichrist and those with him.
The denial of the rapture is a false teaching. It is also a false teaching that belief in the catching up of believers to be with Christ before the judgment falls is a relatively recent teaching. It is not a recent teaching. Early church fathers believed this. It is evident from the Word of God that the apostles and early believers believed in the Harpazo.
There is much, much, much more evidence for the catching away of the Church prior to Jacob's Trouble.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
Where did he say we wouldn't be redeemed or resurrected from the dead?
We are not appointed to wrath. The great tribulation is the wrath of God to test the wishy-washy Christians through intense persecution and beheading of those who turn to Yahshua finally!!!1 sincerely and accept the whole Word of Yahshua In its entirety. Word says"Pray to escape all the things that will occur in the world. (paraphrasing) Some of us are not part of the world.
In the Midst of 1st Thessalonians, 4:16 states: For the Lord Himself will come down from Heaven,With A Loud Command!, with the voice of the Archangel and the Trumpet call of God,and the dead in Christ shall Rise First! (Those of us that have been Slain for the Lord), after that, we who are Still Alive and are LEFT will be caught up will be caught up together with Them( the Risen) in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so shall we be with the Lord Forever! ( Not in the clouds,but descending immediately to help the Lord Defeat the Armies of the Beast.
When Jesus comes in the rapture he comes in the clouds. His feet do not touch the ground in the Rapture.
but the problem is .... there's only one 2nd coming :)
In the beginning before there was a sun or moon, there was the Spirit of God, the Voice of God, and something Good being the Light of the World the Light of Life for three evenings and three mornings.
Rev.1.16b
1Jhn.5.7
Jhn.8.12
JHN.1.1-5
MARK 10.18
Mat.12.40
Daniel 2.22
Anyone can post a video on RUclips
The verse youre talking about is the second coming when all the people on earth are mourning. At the rapture peole are eating and marrying. Theres no marrying when people are tormented in tribulation
The 2nd coming and the gathering of the saints occurs at the same time. There are not 2 separate events. This is explained in more detail in other video posts on this channel. The "Great Tribulation" and the 7 bowls of God's Wrath do not come until the very end. Reference other Videos in the End times Playlist for more details. Also, reference 1 Thessalions chapter 5:
3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
AND
Revelation 11 == The Witnesses Killed
7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations [d]will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. 10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
The Witnesses Resurrected
11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And [e]they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.
@@webelongtotheday2029people will be eating people in the trib. Tastes like pork. Enjoy.
this pre-trib.
Revelation 3:10
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
Tereo ek
tay-reh'-o
Verb
NAS Word Usage - Total: 71
1. to attend to carefully, take care of
a. to guard
b. metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
c. to observe
d. to reserve: to undergo something
Ek
ek
Preposition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 62
1. out of, from, by, away from
harpazō
1) to seize, carry off by force
2) to seize on, claim for one' s self eagerly
3) to snatch out or away
It only takes two passages in the Bible to clearly show the actual order:
Martyred Tribulation Saints > the First Resurrection > the Rapture.
Numerous other verses confirm it, but these are the only plainly stated, absolute indicators that the rapture is post trib.
1 Thess 4:16-17 plainly states that the dead in Christ rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up with them to be with the Lord.
At this point we don’t know which resurrection (if there are multiple) or when that resurrection takes place.
But, Rev 20:4-5 Tells us plainly that the FIRST resurrection includes those who were beheaded for their testimony and did not worship the beast or take his mark. So obviously, if the FIRST resurrection includes those who were killed by the beast, the first resurrection takes place after the martyrdom of the saints in the great tribulation. Then as mentioned in 1 Thess 4, the rapture takes place after the saints are resurrected. Clearly there can’t be any resurrections prior to the first one, so therefore, the order can only be as stated above, Tribulation > resurrection of the tribulation saints > and rapture.
God isn’t trying to keep secrets from us. He WANTS us to be prepared, and He makes it as simple as possible. He doesn’t expect us to ignore plainly stated scripture and divine hidden meaning on other scriptures that would directly contradict the plainly stated ones. This would be malevolent deception at best.
Going rambo
2 Timothy 2
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
2 Timothy 4
3 For the time will come when they WILL NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE; but after their own lusts shall they HEAP TO THEMSELVES teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto FABLES.
Numbers 9:11
11 On the fourteenth day of the second month, at twilight, they may keep it. They shall eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs. (Second Passover)
Luke 21:28
Now when these things BEGIN to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”
Acts 1:11
who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come IN LIKE MANNER as you saw Him go into heaven.”
Here near the end of the age, so many scoffers with rapture doubts pop up. There may be an agenda even to down play the pre Tribulation rapture. If you don't believe, then you will be left behind
Why do you need rapture post Tribulation?. Doesn't make sense.
So many have pre tribulation rapture dreams and vision, and you have post tribulation rapture, so why are you right.
If they wrong, then you also should be wrong.
Tjose qho understand the battle of good and evil and how the Lord will.emd it only understand the value of pre tribulation rapture.
Post tribulation rapture is not necessary
I pray for Pre-Trib, I hope for Mid-Trib, I prepare for Post-Trib. Be a Boyscout, be prepared, and place your Trust in Jesus.
How does a Christian prepare? Are there some scripture that tell us?
The problem of the timing of the Rapture is due to a semantic problem and the confusing of the Tribulation period with the period of God’s Wrath. The two are not the same. The Tribulation period is described in Matthew 24, defined by Jesus Himself, and paralleled in Revelation 6 where it is described as the Seal Judgments. What Jesus did not reveal in the Gospels but does in John’s Book of Revelation is the period of God’s Wrath described in the Trumpet and Bowl Judgments. These two Periods are distinct and should not be confused. Believers will go through the Tribulation (which includes the Sixth Seal and martyrdom) but Not the Wrath of God. Their departure, or Rapture, is at the demarcation during the Sixth Seal, and described in Revelation 7:9 by a sudden appearance of an innumerable multitude in Heaven of people from all tongues and Nations whose origin the angel explains was out of ‘great tribulation’. Then, starting in Revelation 8, we see the Wrath of God poured out on the Earth in the Trumpet Judgments and later the Bowl Judgments. But the Church or the Bride of Christ is with her Bridegroom in Heaven having been taken out before the time of God’s Wrath begins.
Jesus slammed the door on any false Rapture Theories in Mathew 24! He knew beforehand! Saying " Many shall come in my name,saying I am the Lord,and will deceive many! For as Lightning Shines from East unto West ,So shall the Son Of man come.
It means, "How you went from God's grace- shedding God's blood to self redemption-shedding your own blood" to salvation. And if you're blessed enough to be alive at the end of the years of slaughter then you will be raptured. Please don't be a foolish virgins.
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The fact that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, that they will be forgiven when we repent makes his sacrifice a mockery if God's church has to go through the tribulation of the unbelievers. We have already confessed and asked for forgiveness, why do we have to pay for our sins through the tribulation? Wasn't Jesus crucified so that we didn't have to pay for our sins? Post trib rapture does not make sense then and we were hoodwinked into believing that Christ died for our sins. Who is lying?
It is such a lousy witness to the world when all of us are just arguing about this. Edify one another. They will know us by our love for one another. Who cares when the "rapture" is? Put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ, He will grant you repentance and you will be born again. That's what we should focus on for a dying world. Tell them the Gospel. Appreciate the video.
We can't edify each other in false doctrine, especially something as dangerous as the -pre-trib doctrine. So many pre-trib believers not only THINK the Bible teaches pre-trib, they KNOW it preaches pre-trib. So not only will many fall away just because they are faced with persecution and death that they were wholly unprepared for, but they will actually believe the Bible is false, because in their mind it PROMISED them escape. When that doesn't happen, they will think God and Jesus are a lie.
Also, the pre-trib escapism doctrine is what caused the American church to take a nation founded on God's laws and principals and turn it into the Roman empire. Everyone had their head turned up to the sky waiting for Jesus to take them "home" when THIS is our Home. Jesus is coming to set up His Kingdome HERE and WE were supposed to advance His kingdom and Occupy until He comes. We detached ourselves from the affairs of this world and passively stood by while the enemy took back all the ground our fathers conquered.
Paul went after false doctrine all the time and quite vehemently.
@@cryptojihadi265 I never said to condone false doctrine. Edify doesn't mean telling someone they've got everything right.
@@jimdrummer816 You're moving the goal posts. You specifically condemned this argument as being a lousy witness to the church and we should just edify each other. I pointed out that it's not a meaningless argument, bickering over stupid stuff, which would be a bad witness. Rather this is seriously dangerous doctrinal error with serious and tragic consequences, so we shouldn't sweep it under the rug for the sake of "unity" or edifying each other. I agree, we should edify each other, but we also need to correct each other, which is a form of edification. Letting your brother walk off into dangerous error is the opposite of edification, so the argument is absolutely necessary. The other important reason to push back against this teaching is to warn others who might fall into the deception if that's the only side they hear.
Not assuming you are pre-trib, but I find it ironic how many pre-tribbers claim that if we don't believe in the pre-trib rapture we will be left behind. Apparently, not being able to divine hidden meaning in scripture that would directly contradict plainly stated scripture, means we aren't really saved or of the true church that gets raptured.
First, that's the classic tactic of a cult, "believe what we believe, or you'll pay some terrible price." Second, it's ironic how dogmatic they can be about the necessity of agreeing with them, but then when they hear some teaching that obliterates their false doctrine, suddenly we need to stop arguing about it.
Again, to be clear, I am not accusing you of doing that, it's just something I've seen over and over again in these discussion threads.
@@cryptojihadi265 Read my comment again. I did not condemn this argument. I said ARGUING about everything is not a good witness to unbelievers. They see that and just think to themselves that we can't even agree on our faith. I really believe I could just write the word "the" in a comment section and it would start an argument. Have a good day.
It shouldn’t be a heated debate, but “as iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another- Proverbs 27:17. In final analysis, it is most important that each of us is ready for his return
Prophecy is NOT Mystery. Things that differ are not the same. Shame on the churched people that don't dig into the scriptures to find out the truth.
Amen and amen. The "church" has been infiltrated since its inception. The scattered outcasts of Israel represent a mere remnant. The way is narrow and the gate is strait and few there be who find it.
Did the Holy Spirit tell you “post trib” one should examine one self trust and allow the spirit of God lead them through His word
Bible tells us it's a resurrection at 2nd coming :) no rapture.
You don't have to divine some leading by the Holy Spirit when the Bible clearly states the order:
Martyred Tribulation Saints > the First Resurrection > and then the Rapture.
Numerous other verses confirm it, but here are the only plainly stated, absolute indicators that the rapture is post trib.
1 Thess 4:16-17 plainly states that the dead in Christ rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up with them to be with the Lord.
At this point we don’t know which resurrection (if there are multiple) or when that resurrection takes place.
But, Rev 20:4-5 Tells us plainly that the FIRST resurrection includes those who were beheaded for their testimony and did not worship the beast or take his mark. So obviously, if the FIRST resurrection includes those who were killed by the beast, the first resurrection takes place after the martyrdom of the saints in the great tribulation. Then as mentioned in 1 Thess 4, the rapture takes place after the saints are resurrected. Clearly there can’t be any resurrections prior to the first one, so therefore, the order can only be as stated above, Tribulation > resurrection of the tribulation saints > and rapture.
God isn’t trying to keep secrets from us. He WANTS us to be prepared, and He makes it as simple as possible. He doesn’t expect us to ignore plainly stated scripture and divine hidden meaning on other scriptures that would directly contradict the plainly stated ones. This would be malevolent deception at best.
Scriptures Quoted for reference:
[1Th 4:16-17 NASB95] 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of [the] archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
[1Co 15:52 NASB95] 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
[Rev 20:4-5 NASB95] 4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I [saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
1 Thess also mentions that Jesus coming is with a shout and a trumpet, which blows away any idea of a secret rapture or Jesus’s second coming, being in two parts, one silent and one obvious.
I Cor 15:52 then identifies which Trumpet, the LAST one. The LAST Trumpet mentioned in the Bible is the 7th Trumpet, which is the 7 bowls of wrath. Since we are raptured at that last Trumpet we do not partake in the Wrath of God. So THAT fits perfectly with all the other scriptures.
The three legs of a solid Christian foundation are Time in the Word, Time in Prayer, and Fellowship with the Saints.
If in your time in prayer you feel the Holy Spirit is revealing some truth to you, that isn't actually from the Holy Spirit at all, then you've got the Word and/or Fellow Believers to bring you back to the truth, by showing you scriptures that indicate what you heard was from the enemy or your flesh, as the Holy Spirit will NEVER contradict His word.
It's scary how many believers hold feelings or impressions they get, above the scriptures.
NOTHING trumps the scriptures, but fellow believers can help to make sure you aren't reading something into the scriptures that isn't actually stated.
What you fail to see is that is the 2nd coming and all left on earth will mourn. How does a born again believer who is excited to see his coming mourn when he comes? We wouldn't as we would be jumping for joy.
folks participating in self-interpretation.
Guess you have not read Amos 5:18?
"Woe to you who long
for the day of the Lord!
Why do you long for the day of the Lord?
That day will be darkness, not light."
What would be the point of the rapture if the true believers were removed after tribulation???? Have you read the Bible???? Tribulation is the last 7 years and the worst years known to mankind since the beginning.
When Jesus comes I n the clouds for the rapture his feet never touch the ground. Jesus comes for his bride , the church the true believers. The second coming is AFTER tribulation. That is when he does come to earth on a horse . We who in heaven come back on horses with him.
Where does the bible say Jesus comes for His great and holy city, new Jerusalem?
She is the bride.
not the church.
Revelation 21
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
there is no pre tribulation resurrection
therefore
there is no pre tribulation rapture.
doctrine of demons is popular for the impatient, disobedient faithless saints.
@Kman thank you for your reply, I will study it further. If there is no pre-trib rapture then how do we survive the seven years without the mark? Do we all starve to death because we won't take the mark?
Did God not provide a way for Noah when the flood came? Did he not provide a way for Lot when Sodom was destroyed? Did he not provide a way for the Hebrews when Egypt was overcome with the plagues?
This channel seemingly deletes most ALL of my posts. I don't even see what it is you're replying to, and reading thru the comments from the last month or so, I see NO comments of mine where I replied (in detail mind you), to those aligning with the "POST" position. All the best to you in your search for truth, & *MARANATHA!*
Don't take the mark if we are still here. Whatever the cost basically. But in the meantime I hang on to a Luke 21:36 escape (conditional on verse 33; just read all of Luke 21), and Rev 3:10 (again, we have to read through all of that chapter) as it is only after first persevering for a bit (1st half of jacob's trouble i believe ie for approx 3.5yrs and a bit) .. as that would be consistent with the post 2nd Thess 2 rapture view.
@@trulyso734 The messaging in *Luke 21* has zero to do with the church.
Yes we are not likely to survive this, we will be hunted down for not believing in antichrist as God. Or starve, yet some will survive til the end. It’s will be the worst of times for Christians. We know we have no righteousness of our own but many think they do and they will be deceived by their pride. Yet Jesus did not want us to be deceived on this and we must prepare our minds and hearts for this. God will bring us through this to Him. Read the good parts of eternity with Jesus and He will wipe away all of our tears. We have comfort now and eternal joy with our Savior Jesus Christ! He is looking to find those that have true faith in Him at His return.
Proof of A Pre trib Rapture. Pay Attention to the Cloud and Clouds Jesus appears In and With. Acts chapter 1 verses 9 10 11 Cloud. In Red Luke chapter 21 verses 27 and 28 Jesus is coming In A Cloud the Rapture. In Revelation chapter 1 verse 7 Jesus is coming With the Clouds when he comes back to the Mt of Olive the second coming KJV.
So sad to see you promoting the Darby theory for the pre-trib rapture theory, you should examine Chuck Missler's Rapture studies to clarify! May God bless!
I only reference John Darby, because he was an early promoter in the 19th century. I base my understanding on what the scriptures actually say. And Chuck Missler's teachings are not the final word on doctrine for me. When disagreeing with someone, it is best to quote scripture not "teachers". But thanks for your comment. Please review other videos ( and future videos ) on this channel as I attempt examine End Time scriptures, and provide alternative explainations for mis-used passages.
@We belong to the Day: Like you, I used to be pre-trib rapture. Then the Lord showed me how to rightly divide the Word. Needless to say, I am post-trib regarding my stand with the gathering together. Another thing that confirmed my change was the parable of the wheat and tares. It is unfortunate that when discussing the rapture, some Christians will get nasty and very defensive about the pre-trib doctrine. Well, I am not going to argue with them here about it anymore. The Bible is right there; it says what it says. God's Word does not lie; but if they want to slam me for standing on the Word, then I ask who they believe...God or Darby!
My reply was deleted, or "SOMETHING" happened * "Let both grow together until the harvest..." *Matt **13:30*
Nowhere in scripture will we find the church being told to just let the tares to grow alongside us, while *KNOWING* they are such.
Lastly, to try & introduce the 'ole Darby claim as some sort of an argument is absurd. That is tired, worn out, lame & flat out false, & an *8 second* query refutes that. So you're either KNOWINGLY putting out a false narrative, or you've not taken the *8 seconds* to find out on your own, but with either of those, it's quite sad.
@@Kman. Your lack of discernment is well noted.
“And when He was alone, they that were about Him with the twelve asked of Him the parable. And He said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God, but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables.
Mark 4:10-12
"And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: that seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them."
@@krisgangwer3796 Sorry...my comment has been blocked/deleted...I can't see what it is I even posted. I "THINK" however, that I enlightened you to what the tares/wheat is all about. Have you conveniently taken a pass on addressing the actual *SCRIPTURE?* smh Lemme answer, "Yes you have".
@@Kman. How arrogant of you to think you enlighten anybody with your absolute ignorance. I take a hard pass on any further dialogue with you because of your ignorance. Not sorry. Scripture was addressed and you are gas lighting. BYE....
@@krisgangwer3796 No, "SCRIPTURE" *(Matt 13:30)* was NOT addressed, sorry. It's clear you're running on empty~~~~~:) All the best to you in your search for truth, & *MARANATHA!*
I believe what Jesus said only. Matthew 24:21 There will be more trouble than has ever happened since the beginning of the world. And nothing as bad as that will ever happen again.
22 “But God has decided to make that terrible time short. If it were not made short, no one would continue living. But God will make that time short to help the people he has chosen.
Many who say the rapture will happen after great tribulation have not studied properly their bible.
First of all end time situation is when the Lord God wants to end evil and begin age of righteousness through His son Jesus Christ.
Great Tribulation is Jacobs trouble according to Jeremiah, thr Lord God visits Israel again. At the end Great Tribulation Jews will accept their Messiah.
After the abomination of desolation standing in the temple, if Jew's are told to go to the place which has been prepared supernaturally for them, how much more rapture makes sense for the suffering church to join their saviour.
Rapture is a hope, to be with our saviour while the earth is punishment for their, rejection, blasphemy, against and the almighty God and the acceptance of lucifer as a god of this world.
We have mandate to preach the gospel, heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons and while we have been doing this, the christians get persecuted, murdered etc.
And right now christians are persecuted in record numbers.
Gospel preaching is under attack, soon the law will be out to not to preach or go to jail.
Lastly, I am saying those who deny rapture are selfish because they don't care about the persecuted church.
Persecuted church is eagerly waiting for the rapture to happen and be with their Lord.
Those who deny rapture here may not all be christians too, they may be trollers as this is their job on social media to put a seed of doubt in a weak in faith.
Apostles Paul encouraged his church by giving this hope to be with their Lord and said encourage one another with the hope of rapture and I don't see any hope in suffering during rapture.
And moreover, I don't see any christians alive after the mark of beast situation. Its very clear from the bible that, those who reject will be beheaded and this is end of many.
Not many can go in hiding because the government has managed to set the world against the Christianity by telling them that they're narrow minded, bible thumping who do not like to those who do not have bible values happy. Right now, you have watches and the warlocks and decived christians working for the antichrist system to complain about you at your neighborhood.
We just need to wake up understand how the antichrist system is working hard against you and me and be faithful so in due time the Lord will take you out while He punishes those who are in great tribulation.
Great Tribulation is time when the Lord is making this deceived know that He was always on the throne while they mocked and rejected Him.
Hope this encourages and helps someone to believe in their God who is loving God which rewards His faithful.
His elect, in that verse in Revelation, refers to the saved Jews (Israel).
Are there more than one rapture? Of course.
(Not including Enoch, and Elijah, etc., in the OT)
The pretribulation rapture is evident and the mid trib rapture as well as the post trib rapture.
Pretrib = the Church age saints where he meets us in the clouds but does not touch down on earth.
The mid trib = The two witnesses and believing jews/saved gentiles
The post trib, at His second coming when He touches down on this earth.
The anti-Christ IS already here as Jesus foretold.
wrong
"jews" (Esau), are anti-Christ and they hate the Messiah. Please read the Gospels! "jews" are waiting for their "moschiach", a fact that just happens to segue with the false teachings of "zionism". The two witnesses are heaven and earth who are recording everything (Deut 30.19). Too much church and not enough of the Word of God.
You are confused. The last trump at the rapture ( 1 Corinthians 15:52) is not the same as the last trumpet judgment in Revelation.
Paul wrote the letters to the Corinthians 40 years before John wrote Revelation. No one knew about the trumpet judgments when Paul wrote about the rapture because the judgements had not been Revealed yet.
Also, see Revelation 3:10. Jesus said he will keep us FROM the time of temptation- not keep us through it, not keep us during- keep us FROM it!
So the words the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write about the last trumpet,
didn't know the words He would inspire John to write?
ummm.....
also Revelation 3: 10
BECAUSE YOU HAVE KEPT THE WORD OF MY PATIENCE
PATIENCE
◄ 5281. hupomoné ►
Strong's Concordance
hupomoné: a remaining behind, a patient enduring
Definition: a remaining behind, a patient enduring
Google definition: the capacity to accept or tolerate delay, trouble, or suffering without getting angry or upset.
If you are keeping the Word of His patience,
you are not looking for an early departure.
what pre tribulation rapture worshiper is willing to accept or tolerate DELAY, TROUBLE and SUFFERING?
NOT ONE.
So why would God keep you?
@@GodsOwnGodZone we are the bride of Christ. We are not appointed to wrath-that’s why!
@@allisonrees6763
Sorry but YOU are deceived.
The bride of Christ is the great and holy city Jerusalem.
Revelation 21
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
We are the children of God
Not his wife
We are the children of the bride
and she is our mother
Galatians 4
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
@@allisonrees6763
and Just because you cryout, we are not appointed to wrath, tells me you have not studied your bible to even know when wrath is poured out.
I bet you dont even know what wrath you are referring.
Orge or Thumos.
when you know the difference and when each is poured out, then come back and we can chat about the truth of God's word.
BUT, as long as a supposed child of God is kicking our heavenly mother to the curb and trying to steal her identity, you have no respect from me.
@@GodsOwnGodZone no i don't think so. No mother church/synogue business angle for me thanks.
Rev 12 is more a picture of the Glorious Land to come (that King Jesus has gone ahead to build), and that HEAVENLY not earthly governed New Jerusalem is to be His wife! We are all composites of that Bride collective body .. the living stones for that New Jerusalem as it were, on the foundations of the Apostles of old, Peter and Paul.. IF we belong to Him as His children by His Holy Covenant (both jews and non jews as called to be a Holy, Chosen, Nation of peoples for The Lord and Captain Commander of heavenly hosts/armies, King Jesus).
There is a group that the fallen star angel lucifer/satan will not be able to pursue within this body (kept by God from harm for the first 3.5yrs). Beyond that, he in the form of a beast with 2 horns, will come after the rest of her offsprings waging wars in the last 3.5. I believe to be kept from harm, one must be fully in God's kingdom reality.
What pre tribbers say is the elect are the Jews only.( that’s how they try and get around this verse in Matthew 24. It doesn’t work. The elect are the saints, Christians, not just the Jews.
Wrong. The position does *NOT* say the elect are only the Jews...TOTAL misunderstanding & misrepresentation of the position my friend. Where you display your TOTAL misunderstanding though, the "elect" in *Matt 24* DOES refer to the Jews, & you bear the burden of proof to validate it speaks of the CHURCH.
Put this in your proverbial pipe & smoke on it; *===>* ELECT IS NOT A TECHNICAL WORD!
Yes, that word "elect" in Matthew 24 absolutely refers to you and I, the saints. Dispensationalism is the culprit in pre tribbers insistence that elect in Matthew 24 refers to Jews.
@@kenklein9228 correct. 😊
Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God?
- Mark 12:24
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Yes. So it is with Dispensationalists.
@@kenklein9228 This isn't a parable but you would be wise if you understood the true meaning... ( as in Wise Virgin - Matthew 25 )
Luke 21:36
Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
@@tomschumacher9359 I DO understand the true meaning. Allow me to share it with you!
All of the virgins are waiting for Christ's return during a time of gross spiritual darkness. Though all of them have become drowsy, 5 of the virgins did what they needed to do before hand to get ready for this time of darkness, and Christ's soon appearing - those are the wise virgins. 5 others did NOT do what they needed to do to be ready.
At some point during this awful time, all of the virgins realize that Christ is indeed returning soon. The lamps with the oil represent the preparation of the wise virgins; they'll make it through that time and be able to stand at Christ's appearing. The lamps with too little oil represent the lack of preparation of the foolish virgins. These virgins are overtaken by the spiritual darkness of that time, and consequently, they fall away. This is what Christ spoke about early in Matthew 24 "many will fall away".
Luke 21:36 tells us that IF we're prepared, we'll escape the judgements that will fall upon the earth during the GT. Notice He doesn't speak a word about being removed from the earth. Rather, IF we're able to hear clearly from the Holy Spirit, we'll be directed as to where to be and when to avoid the direct impacts of those judgements which are not intended for us.
We'll be here for the GT. Time for us to get ready, God's way.
@@kenklein9228Just wait and see just how wonderful a Savior that Jesus really is... when he rescues the wise virgins who are waiting for him... 1 Thessalonians 1:10
and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead-Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
Not man (theology) decides / determines 'truth'. God's Word, the Bible, is Truth (John 17, 17).
John 14, 1-3; 1 Corinthians 15, 50-58; 2 Corinthians 5, 1-10; Philippians 3, 20-21; 1 Thess. 4, 13-18; 2 Thess. 2, 7b
If there are proofs of pre- trib, mid- trib, and post-trib, does it not mean all are true. Can't rapture occur to a different group at different time for a different purpose. Remember the servants of the bridegroom is one, family of the bridegroom is one. Invited Guest of the bridegroom is one. Last minute invited guest is another group. The bride is another who will have to be by the side of the bridegroom before the guest arrive. They dont arrive all at the same time.
The bride/body would not, and cannot be broken. If only PART of the church goes up @ the rapture, & then bits & pieces go up (as they're killed in the tribulation?), then you'd be lobbying for a partial rapture, & some form of purgatory on earth for some (for w/ever reason) would have to endure while the "FIRST" load is enjoying heaven.
Post trib makes more since then pre trib considering the great tribulation was in the 1st century, just like Jesus said it would be.
If the tribulation period was in the 1st century as you claim, who is the anti christ? Where is Jesus stepping foot on Mount of Olives after the 7th year of the tribulation period? I can go on and on.
You could go on and on misunderstanding or you could believe the words Jesus spoke.
First of all, it was Jesus and his apostles that taught that the tribulation and the second coming would be in their generation. An honest person if left with 2 options:
1.) Jesus was wrong or he lied.
2.) he was right and you are not understanding something.
There is a third options for people who are unwilling to be honest with themselves and that is to change the words of Christ and his Apostles.
Jesus was a Jew, speaking primarily to Jews, quoting from Jewish scriptures.
You need to study your Bible to recognize and understand the Hebraic context and use of language, or you can bury your head in the sand and keep waiting for something that isn’t coming.
Christ is not going to literally on the mount of olives. Christ humbled himself by taking on the for of man and he shed that form when he was glorified.
Antichrist
1 John 2:18 “Little children, *it is the last hour*; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now *many antichrists have come*, by which *we know that it is the last hour*
1 John 2:22 “Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.”
1 John 4:3 “and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is *now already in the world*.”
2 John 1:7 “For many deceivers *have gone out* into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. *This is a deceiver and an antichrist*.
1.) John (The inspired apostle) said that antichrist was already there and because of that they knew it was the last hour.
2.) Paul said that the Man of Lawlessness was already at work and was being restrained at the time he wrote.
3.) Paul said the Man of lawlessness had to be revealed. He did not say that the Man of Lawlessness needed to come.
4.) There was a physical earthly temple in Jerusalem when Paul said the Man of Lawlessness was already at work and was being restrained.
5.) There is no physical earthly temple today.
6.) There is no third earthly temple prophesied or spoken in the Bible.
7.) In Matthew 24 we are told by the inspired writer that Jesus was talking to his disciples. We cannot remove them from the passage.
8.) Jesus said to the people the inspired writer said he was speaking to, that they should flee Judea when they see "the abomination that causes desolation" standing in the holy place (Matthew 24:1 & 24:15).
9.) Luke tells us that "the abomination that causes desolation" is the armies surrounding Jerusalem (Luke 21:20)
10.) Peter said the Judge was standing at the door and the end of all things was at hand (1 Peter 4:5-7) I would suggest that when Jesus, Paul, John, and Peter (James could be included) all have the same consistent message, then perhaps we should believe them. There are many more verses that demonstrate this consistent message.
Stick around Rambo
But what about Noah? We're in the days of Noah. My point is God didn't allow Noah and his family . Thy were spared. But I had dreams about something coming. In the dream, i was being told where to hide bacause so i wouldn't be captured. I keep a back pac ready. We as saints of the most high just need to be ready whenever the rapture comes.
What will happen when a born-again Christian is presented with the reality of either taking the mark of the beast or refusing and suffering the consequences? Can a Christian -in that time- accept the mark and retain Salvation or do they lose it?
Loose it. ALL who take the mark are doomed.
Since a born again Christian can not be "unborn" or come again under judgement, but has passed out of death unto eternal life, my thinking is, they would NOT take the MARK. Since we know the fate of all those who will be believing the LIE and do take the mark ( and worship the beast ). I would speculate the Holy Spirit would give them the strength to reject taking the mark. Recommend reviewing the Salvation Play List for more details about how once a person is saved - they can not be lost, since it's not based on our "works". HERE: ruclips.net/video/MTLYnK6KY7o/видео.html&pp=gAQBiAQB
Revelation 13:15-17
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
One would have to worship the beast, thus committing a sin and accepting him as their god, before taking the mark.
And weirdly, RUclips crashed multiple times while trying to type this. Something or someone did not want me to share this with you.
I hope this helps. Stay blessed, praise the LORD and all glory to GOD forever and ever, amen!
P.s. If you are concerned, my advice would be to build a strong relationship with your helper, the Holy Spirit. He will guide you!
Christianity begin in Acts 2
All Christian in the bible are the follower's and believers of Jesus Christ
All Christian in the bible are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ including Paul
All Christian in the bible are baptized in the holy ghost and speak in new Tongues including Paul
Paul said Did you receive the holy ghost since you believe...? What then we're you baptized...? ( Acts 19:1-7 )
The problem with taking the mark, is it’s not simply just putting a mark on you’re hand or forehead. You have to worship the beast to get it and it seems if you don’t do that. You will be put to death or maybe be put though great hardship to have you change your mind and worship the beast. If then you don’t, then death. Stay strong!!
Thank you for indicating a clear gospel message...It makes you credible in your message ..
If the rapture is at the end of the tribulation who populates the millennium? Also why would God pour out his wrath on his church when his word says we are not appointed to Gods wrath?
The Great Tribulation isn't God's wrath - only the bowls are His wrath, and we're raptured immediately before they're poured.
Those who populate the millenium consist of the remainder of Israel, which is protected from God's wrath, and the many gentiles left alive who didn't take the mark.
Those are two of the _MAAAAANY_ arguments that derail any position OTHER than the pre-trib rapture. *MARANATHA!*
You can find Jesus with only an old testament and your conversion will be stronger than a new testament. Book of acts reached the world with no new testament.
Your misunderstanding of the rapture being pre-tribulation is based on you not understanding WHAT the rapture really is. Jesus is a Galilean and all of His disciples are Galileans and most of the new Testament was written in the Galilean area. The Galileans have their own customs and traditions and their wedding customs are some of their most cherished. The church is called the bride of Christ. Why? Did Jesus ever propose to us? He most certainly did. How? The Galilean wedding custom is when a bridegroom wants to propose to his prospective bride, he offers her a cup of wine and if she drinks from that cup, she accepts his proposal. If she pushes it back, she rejects his proposal. Jesus offered us, the church, his cup of wine at the last supper and the disciples drank from it. And then "following Galilean wedding customs" Jesus said, I shall not drink from this cup again until we are in my Father's house. Also following the Galilean wedding custom, He also tells his bride that he is going away to his father's house to prepare a place for them to live and she is to wait until he comes back to get her which could often take as long as a year. As we know, Jesus told His disciples in John 14 that He was going away to His Father's house to prepare a place for them to live and He would come back to get us, which so far has been almost 2 of God's 1000 year days He describes in Psalm 90. The most interesting part of the Galilean wedding custom that made it "different" from every other wedding custom in the area - both Arab and Jewish - is that neither the bridegroom nor the bride knew the date of the wedding. Only the father of the bridegroom knew that date and ONLY when he said, son, go get your bride would the bridegroom then come to get his bride. This lines up perfectly with no one knows the day or hour in scripture, not the son or angels but only the father. Then when the bridegroom finally comes for his bride, she sits on what is called a lift which is a chair that is mounted on 2 poles and she is lifted into the air and carried to her new home. This is called "flying the bride to her new home". This lines up perfectly with the rapture when Jesus is told by His Father, go get your bride, Son, and we meet Jesus in the AIR and are flown to our new home. The Galilean custom then says when they and their guests arrive, the door is shut and there is a "week-long" wedding celebration which is 7 "years" in our case to line up with God's 7 years of wrath poured out on the earth for its sins. All of this happens BEFORE God pours out His wrath on earth which means PRETRIBULATION. All of this is explained in great detail in a recent movie entitled Before the Wrath in 2020. I encourage everyone to see it. This is also proved in the OLD Testament in Isaiah 26:19-21 that not only proves the rapture but proves it is BEFORE the tribulation. Let me quote: Isaiah 26:19 NIV But your dead will live, Lord; their bodies will rise. Let those who dwell in the dust wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning. The earth will give BIRTH to her DEAD. (now it shows a pretribulation rapture) V-20 "Go my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you. Hide yourselves for a little while until His WRATH has passed by. See, the Lord is coming out of His dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins." This clearly shows the church is already in heaven BEFORE the Lord punishes the people of earth for their sins.
Also 1 Thes 5:9 says that God did not appoint us, the church, to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. This is because Jesus took on OUR wrath on the CROSS.
We also need to be aware that God "always" put His righteous in a SAFE PLACE just before He brings down His wrath to earth. Here are 4 examples: God told Noah, His righteous, to put his family in the ark because in 7 days He was going to bring down His wrath on mankind with the flood. No. 2 - God sent an angel to Lot and told Lot to get his family out of Sodom and Gomorroh because God was getting ready to destroy it for its sins. No. 3 - God brought 10 plagues to Pharoah and on the 10th plague, God told Moses to put lamb's blood on the doors to protect them from Him killing the first born in Egypt, which He did that night. No. 4 - this is the BIGGIE! The first 3 examples only involved 2 families and the Israelites in Egypt. Who is God's righteous today? The church. Where is the church located today? All over the planet. Where is the ONLY SAFE PLACE God can put His righteous before He brings down His wrath on earth? HEAVEN. Also, God's wrath always comes "quickly" following His putting His righteous in a safe place.
What you are not taking into account is the whole wedding celebration where Jesus comes for His bride and takes us back to His place to have our 7-year wedding celebration while God brings down His wrath on planet earth for those 7 years. All of everything I've said comes from God's word in the Bible and "not" from anyone in the 1800's. OH, one last thing: You quoted a verse from 2 Thes 3 where the day of the Lord will not come until the man of lawlessness is revealed. The day of the Lord is God's WRATH poured out on mankind and that begins AFTER the antichrist is revealed like you said but this is not talking about the rapture. However, verse 7 talks about the antichrist will "not" be revealed until the "Restrainer" is "taken out of the way (raptured). That "is" talking about the rapture. Blessings and Maranatha. Come quickly Lord Jesus.
that's a lot of none sense yada yada :) no one read the entirety of your comment , trust me.
It is ALL based on scripture. Are you saying the Bible is nonsense? And believe me, lots of people read every word because the truth of scripture is a powerful magnet. The rapture is 100 percent based on the Galilean wedding customs which Jesus is following to the T. It is simply Jesus coming finally for His bride to take back to the place He's prepared for us to have our wedding and reside with Him. Read Rev 19:7. The church/bride is in heaven and it says "For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean was given her to wear." I'm sorry this contradicts your video, but the evidence of the truth should be explained. Maranatha, Lord Jesus.
@@DMCOGBURN Those are the angels that is spoken of in Rev. 19:7 :) they wear white linen and they are the angels that Matthew 24:31 speaks of. who will gather the elect in 4 corners of earth.
Revelation 15:6 kjv And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
@@BIG_r. I'm glad you brought that up. Let me quote "more" of Rev 19:7 "...for the wedding of the Lamb has come and His BRIDE has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear. NIV further states ("Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God's holy people.) Then the angel said to me, write this: blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb and he added, these are the true words of God." Angels are holy but so is the bride of Christ and "all" of these verses are clearly talking about the wedding feast and the bride wearing fine linen, bright and clean. In verse 14 it says NIV "the armies of heaven were following Him, (Jesus' 2nd return) riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. We have a rapture where Jesus comes for His bride followed by a 7 year wedding feast followed by His 2nd coming with His saints. Maranatha!
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Modern Bible versions are written and edited by pretrib translators :) they purposely altered the meaning of the original texts to reflect their opinions and beliefs and to satiate their agenda that's why it created too many contradictions to the original meaning of what was written. If you want a honest version of the Bible use the ones that are before John Darby.
And how can you be an army of Jesus if your intent is to get the hell out? lol. here's one example in the Old Testament when the term "saints" is reffered to as the angels ... Deuteronomy 33:2 kjv. 👉 And he said, The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
Apostle Matthew, Mark, Luke, and even apostle Paul clearly stated that Jesus will come with his holy angels or mighty angels at the day of Judgement :) he's not coming back with the super-tribbers.
Mark 8:38 kjv Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Luke 9:26 kjv For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Matthew 16:27 kjv For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds.
2 Thessalonians 1:7 kjv and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,
It’s pre tribulation… trust me… sept.2024 will be the beginning of the tribulation. The rapture will take place anytime between now and then. Mark it on your calendar and thank me later…😊 it’s pre tribulation and posts tribulation. The rapture and the second coming are two separate events containing raptures of the living and the dead. But the second coming is also the judgment.
Saints are made, not flown away.
Salvation is from death and the grave, not from trouble. (It is when you are born again out of the grave and changed from Adam’s fallen nature to glorified body of Christ.) And unless you are a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, it isn’t even YOUR trouble. The tribulation is to complete& end the sin of Israel & get Israel to repent and return to God. The wrath is for unbelievers. Then God will fulfill his promise to them.
Satan is out to destroy them that God loves most of all. Israel. Many Christian believers of the earth are not the focus of the devil. Again, descendants of AI&J are key. Israel will be facing the mark of the beast. Pray 🙏🏻 many escape this trap, as any who take it are unable to enter the kingdom age to live and reign with Christ.
So, answer this. Why should we keep watch over the signs of His coming?How can Jesus come unexpectedly "like a thief in the night"?
Jesus directly quoted Daniel 12 when He refers to the "abomination". But the rest of the verse that He was quoting says :Daniel 12:
11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
Now, the context of Daniel 11 and 12 are prophecies about the last kingdom that rises to power, and the two figures that rule in this kingdom,just prior to the coming of Messiah. Daniel 12 is about the end of this kingdom rule,when Messiah returns.All the Jews knew this prophecy,that's why Jesus quoted it.
So,Jesus cannot come at any time. He comes,1335 days after "the abomination",and the daily sacrifices are stopped. That's clear and straightforward.
Now why do we even have to keep watch over "all these things",when we only have to watch for this one event? Because know we know when Jesus returns.
2nd, In Matt.24,refers to the days of Noah, giving us a context for what it will be like when He comes. When Jesus teaches this,it has nothing to do with what happened to Noah. It has everything to do with how people were living in these days. They were living business as usual,eating and drinking, planning to get married,and see their children marry, ALL the while,being unaware of the flood (judgment) that was going to come upon them suddenly. He used this analogy and concluded with,the rapture vs.40,and the warning , Therefore keep watch for you do not know when". Now,this wouldn't make sense to those listening would it? Jesus already quoted Daniel 12 about the abomination.The knew the day Of The Lord ends with the Messiah's return,1335 days later! So why did Jesus teach this?
Now,tell me you believe that people will be living,"business as usual", all the way through the tribulation period. because anyone with common sense would say that's absurd! That was the whole point of the "days of Noah" reference. The context has nothing to do with Noah,or how God saved Noah. The point Jesus was making was HOW they were living in the days of Noah,just before the flood (judgment) came and drowned all of them. They were "eating and drinking,marry,and giving away in marriage," another words business as usual, all the while,NOT KNOWING that judgment was upon them. Then Jesus said "and SO ALSO will be the coming ..." This clearly indicates He is talking about coming Before the judgments,before the tribulation. Not after.
In Revelation 6, when the seal judgement are opened. It should be clear that the tribulation period has begun. At the third seal,something happens causing the cost of food skyrocketing, in todays terms,hyper inflation skyrocketing. A mans daily wages couldn't feed him or a family. Famine is the result.
Matt.24: "they were eating and drinking"...Eating and drinking what? certainly not after the third seal.
The fourth seal:8 I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth. So now, almost two billion people die after this one seal. But people are looking forward to get married,and see their children marry? Marry who, the lucky survivors? The whole world is traumatized in fear,but their still going on living business as usual,completely unaware that judgment has come? Do you really believe that,be honest?
By the fifth seal,the world is aware of the saints being slaughtered for their faith. Which means this is surely a time of death for many.
But by the 6th seal,
12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”
Now people ARE certainly AWARE that the wrath and judgment of God has fallen on the whole world,and they're terrified. So according to Jesus' teaching in Matt.24, He has to have come at least by this point.And this is in the beginning of the judgments,not at the end.
But there's more, Matt.25 is post text to Jesus' teachings about the signs. In the parable of the ten bridesmaids,who represent the churches. preparing for the groom's return (Jesus), we see "because the groom was delayed in His coming,they ALL grew weary and FELL asleep". During the tribulation period? How is this possible? In Rev.13:7, the Antichrist is destroying,killing, all the saints. I notice it's the saints and not the church. The church hasn't been mentioned since Rev.4.
But if this is the church, do you really believe that the whole church falls asleep,while they're being hunted down and slaughtered? Again tell me how this is possible?
You see,it's only a PreTrib rapture that can unexpectedly. What Jesus is referring to in Daniel is "the Day Of The Lord", when the Messiah comes to judge the earth,destroy Israels enemies, and begins His thousand year reign. The rapture IS NOT Jesus coming to Earth,it's the church leaving the earth.
The rapture only comes unexpectedly to the world, and to Christians who're unprepared despite all the signs of His soon coming. You and I will be here for the GT unless we die beforehand. Time for us to get ready, God's way.
Joseph Daniel the three Hebrew all the Apostles the 6 million Jews the dark ages Christians Jerome Huss and many more went through Tribulation Jesus promised to be with the remnent church in the last days during the tribulation so don't be afraid of the tribulation be like Hus singing while burning may God bless us 😊
Amen!
By the way why would Jesus warn them of Luk 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. ///
If no man can buy or sell without the mark of the beast which comes about after the two witnesses are killed in the middle of the tribulation???
Think about it. Give God his due praise!!!
1 Thessalonians 5 10 whether WE wake or SLEEP
1 Corinthians 15 51 WE shall not all SLEEP
Daniel 12 2 and many of them that SLEEP
The church rapture is at judgement day
Those not looking for pre trib but post trib will get their wish. Many lukewarm Christians will go through the Tribulations of God's wrath. They see what they want to see. The five virgins with no oil in their lamps.
The Great Tribulation isn't God's wrath, it's Satan's. God's wrath is the bowls, and we're raptured immediately beforehand.
Darby and his associates “the brethren” have always been a stumbling block to Christendom and it’s Progressive Achievements in this world.
The problem is not one of the eye and timing but of the heart and expectancy, summed up in two opposing words - ‘often’ versus ‘seldom.’
Three questions to the author and commenters of this arrival, Unto whom or unto what do you come and gather yourselves? And how often or seldom do you come? WHY?
Am “I” not enough mine own, enough mine own for thee?
Hath this world it’s Palace Towers and Garden Glades of ‘magic flowers’ where thou fain would’st be?
Fair things and false are there; False things but O how fair, all for the ‘eye’ to see!
Am “I” not enough mine own, “I” forever and alone, needing thee?