The Woodpecker Ep 115 - I'm showing how I made my timber frame trusses
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2016
- Caroline wanted to learn how to make a timber frame so she can built herself a nice greenhouse in her backyard. In this episode, I'm showing her how easy it is to make her own timber frame construction, by letting her make the thoughest part of the construction; the trusses.
Alain Vaillancourt 2015
Music:
Whiskey on the Mississippi - Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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you are the first person to include graphic images of the angles and cuts of what step your at in the project.
to me that solidifies the cuts i would need to make in my head. i am a visual learner. thanks. good job.
Always a pleasure watching you create! Thanks Caroline and Alain!
I have loved timber trusses for the longest time but never thought about using templates. It seemed so much more complicated in my mind. Thank you for sharing this video. I will be making my first one tomorrow 👍🏻.
Great job, both of you =) Can't wait to see the timber-green-house finished =)
It’s amazing watching your students confidence build!
Alain, you are a great teacher. Thanks for sharing.
I just returned from vacation in croatia where we visited Brijuni island. The church on this island was build in 1481 and has the exact same trusses as your workshop. You might not be an expert but this design is proven to be reliable for over 500 years! My first thought when I took a look at the roof was: "Alain was here". I took some pictures with my cell phone (bad quality)
Some pictures from a company that has done the indoor lightning. www.portalidea.hr/en/project/sv-german-np-brijuni/
Funny :) but I swear I never been to Croatia ;)
awsome timber cutting .& I Enjoy pegging them together..I would love to see these vids all THE time .
Beautiful Construction and a great lesson in wood working. Thanks
Awesome!!! I love the authentic accent and effort you put towards your craft. Keep up the hard work; blessings from Hamilton Canada
this was simple, effective...really enjoyed it!
Great job Alain and Caroline ! Alain, you will have to show us Caroline's greenhouse when she finishes it. I'm sure everyone would like to see it.
When she finish it and she'll send me picture or video I'll try to incorporate this in an other episode
Most defenetly, it would be great to see another timber frame house, in a green house style, great job.
KSFWG
Yeah 👍 Definitely 👍
Hope she's videos it,
& Everything 🖖👍🙏
They are really hefty timbers, thats going to be some greenhouse!
Nice job Caroline, great video thanks for sharing that
Very educational, she did great, your video is amazing, fine craftmanship, love it. Thanks
Very nicely done, concisering it was the first time ( as I understood). But a devoted woodworking teacher helps a lot!!!
Yes she had no idea how to make that, and she made it by herself.
First video I've seen of Urs...very fascinating to learn timber framing. U appear to b very knowledgeable about it & a good job there teaching her the proper way! Will b watching more of Ur channel...may have a new subscriber.
Great new video Alain! Welcome back from Europe! Thankz
Thanks, but even if I'm glad being back inside the shop, I miss a little bit the fun I had over there ;(
Nice job... I would love to see Caroline narrate while you work =)
great video well done Alain and Caroline, want to build a small house , so need all the instruction i can get thanks phil
Great work! 👍😎
Very well done to say the least!
Fantastic job!
Super Boulot Alain! merci pour la video
Really nice to help other Merry Christmas
good job Caroline!
nicely done!
Excellent teacher!!! Very cool timber frame!!
Nice boost to start!
Просмотрел ваше мастерство под чашечку кофе, очень интересно и познавательно. Удачи вам.👍👍👍
Beau travail, très bien expliqué.
So like your videos!
You speak great, not sure why there's subtitles. That's really cool that you're helping others do what you did!
Thank you. But my nastiest comments are about my bad English. I know trolls are everywhere and my English is not that bad, but maybe some people can't understand that for us French Canadian the H's are hard to prononced.
Alain Vaillancourt Don't worry about people making rude comments about your speech. You speak very well. Here in the US most of the people I work with and run into day to day can't read past a 3rd grade level, can barely spell and write and those are the College Graduates.
I suggest you ignore the bad comments with contempt that they deserve.
I am British, I speak English and I know exactly what you are saying. I enjoy your videos and I thank you for sharing your skills.
I really appreciate the subtitles. I'm autistic, and though his English is very good, I can't understand the words very well because of the accent. With the subtitles I can hear his words perfectly.
It happens with other accented English speakers too, from Texas to Australia and everywhere in between.
I never complain though, I just find ways to work around it if there aren't any subtitles on other videos.
I think his accent is spectacular by the way, as well as others.
I'm from south dakota but when I go south people ask if I'm from Canada lol. So I get it too when I travel. Heck, I even get it in my home state when I use certain words Haha.
Good job from both.
Awesome. Thank you.
Yes I still have this table saw, but I rarely use the sliding table since I bought a nice mitre saw. I use it when I need to cut a piece wider than the mitre saw. It's not tin the way but I had to remove the left wing of the saw so I can't use the mitre gauge on the left of the blade, sometime I wish it was possible. but still, it's working nicely
nice job
GREAT INFO. THX
Great job 👍
Thank you
awesome!
nice reebok design!
thanks for subtitles.
You're welcome. I always put closed captioning in French and English on all my videos
Ha, I understand every word you say perfectly, and enjoy the uniqueness of the channel as a result actually. I certanly would not call it "bad" its good, and I sure wish I knew French.
Thanks :)
Oh man, you showed us how to make left handed trusses, and I'm right handed.
Nice 😀
Hey Alain, love your work !!! Do you sell the patterns for the king post truss ? or a scale drawing? Thanks Daniel
Hi Daniel, just go to my website thewoodpecker.net an they're in the plans section
Great🤓👏🏼
excellent work!
is there any specs for these heavy timber frames? such as design examples for connections, etc. any info greatly appreciated, thanks
I had to read a bunch of books to make them. but to calculate the size of the timber I uses a book and rechecked my calculation with the web site the forestry forum
Nice video, but shouldn't the pegs have a little offset in the tenon?
to get a real tight fit, yes. But I shoed Caroline how I did it. With 450lb rafters it was too much trouble removing them to ofset the peg's holes, so I've screwed it frrom the top with 18" wood screws to push it down and then I added a peg. For a 20 lbs 4X4 like she used, yes I would had offset the pegs it's easy to remove the rafter and put it back again. But I'm pretty sure she won't be using 4X4's it will probably be longer 6X6's which are a bit more heavy.
Yes it was an inspirational video Alain, thank you! What plane were you two using to trim the tenons? looks like a Veritas but could you give me some details please.
Yes it was a Veritas scew rabbet plane. With this plane it's easy to get the tenon's corners.
Merci Alain!
Great video thanks. What species of would would be ideal for a project like this?
That depends where you live. In Europe it's mostly oak. But around here it's hemlock or pine. Hemlock is brittle if you drop it on the ground but pine has bigger nuts but looks better when sanded. I've used hemlock since it's cheaper and I didn't intended to sand it.
Hi Alain, interesting video, thanks for sharing. One question, where you pegged the mortises, is there a reason why they were not draw bored? Just curious...
I showed her waht I did on my shop; I didn't draw bored my mortices, because of the weight of my wooden pieces. It would had been too difficult to put hem in place mark the hole remove the 350 pounds piece of wood drill it and put it back in place. You have to remember, I managesd to find volunteers to help me put it all together so I didn't want to take the chance of having one of them hurting him/her self. So I told Caroline to drill for pegs and to add screws from the top where they will not show, this way she'll be all covered, and on top of it all I'm not sure how much help she would get so I showed what one lady can do by herself alone.
Alain Vaillancourt vgv
To me, it looks too difficult, but certainly it looks good and it's going to serve well.
Thanks for sharing! Could you possibly build the whole green house? Please!
If only I had some time in my hand..... I can't wait to take my early retirement.... still 2 years to go...
This is an awesome video thank you! I was wondering how you calculated the required tomber sizes for the span/roof loading? I am looking to build a 4m span x 9m long workshop and wabt to make sure i size my timber correctly. Many thanks for any help in advance
When I build my shop I bought a book for the load charge. TIMBER FRAME ENGINEERING I n L i m i t S t a t e s D e s i g n. Than I went to the website the forestry forum and they had an online load calculator, I'm not sure if they still have it?
This is so helpful! Thank you so much, it was really kind of you to get back to me with this. All the best
It's my pleasure. I'm always frustrated when I ask a question on a RUclips video and never get any answer... They're no way in the world that I'm this impolite... I don't encourage trolls, so I never answer on bad comments...
I was admiring your shoulder plane. What make/model is it?
This is my rabet plane
www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=59999&cat=1,230,41182,48945
Great teacher, great pupil !
Hi loved the video , can I use these patterns to build any size roof ?
No this pastern is for this roof slope. I made another one for the roof slope of my shop, but it's quite easy to make, if you draw your roof slope with a 3d cad program. Or if you're good with a pencil and a ruler.
How could I get the measurements or print documents in pdf for your mdf paterns? As I could not get this quite right
Go to my website thewoodpecker.net there in the Plans section you will find the pattern, if I remember correctly I have it on the plan of this truss and on the plan of the whole shop
Bonjour . Une autre question. Vos chevalets sont montés/démontés avec des pegs. Ils ne sont donc serrés grâce à ceux-ci . Sont ils placés un peu offset ou en ligne directe? Et donc les morceaux sont tenus par simple friction de l’assemblage (pegs, tenon, mortaise etc)? Je croyais devoir faire les miens avec des clavettes ...
Les trous on été percé a travers la mortaise et le tenon en même temps. C'est pas avec un ofset, je voulais que ce sois facile à démonté et avec moins de chance de briser le bois a chaque démontage. En fait je m'en sert que très peu souvent je ne veux pas les gardés assemblé mais je veux quand même quand je m'en sert, de pouvoir les démonter facilement...
@@LgosseuxDbois-TheWoodpecker Bien apprécié et merci beaucoup . Je trouve vraiment bien ce que vous faites. Il faut avoir du courage pour demontrer son travail. Je suis bien sur d'accord avec la critique reliée au "drawbore" pour les tenons du "frame" mais je comprends la "situation" . Bravo encore.
Wow, absolutely beautiful! This would look great on my hunting cabin. Do you think I could some how get a pattern of this lay out. Thanks Dan
Yes this would look great. If you go to my website, in the plans sections you'll find the sketchup file we've used to make this truss (thewoodpecker.net)
If you offset the holes for the pegs by three or four millimeters when you drive the peg in the joint will be much tighter.
Yes I know. but I didn't do that on my shop, and I showed Caroline what I did.
I didn't do that on my shop for 2 reasons; first lifting pieces close to 200Kg alone with no machinery is something to hurt yourself, so I moved the pieces only when it was absolutely necessary.
Second the tie beams were twisted so on sawhorses it was impossible to untwist them to drill an offset hole. So to untwist them I screwed them to the top plate with 40cm screws, this untwisted the tie beams and the rafters were sitting flat on them after.
And at the end I screwed the rafters to the tie beams and the top plate with 50cm screws. But it's all in the video I made about the raising of the shop structure. This small rafter was just a mock up of the "real" one I have in my shop
nice project and good to see hand tools
but to save time on a repetitive job
setup a jig and router
Probably but just for a couple of mortices this is not that critical.
im surprised you used turned dowels for the pegs. as you may or may not know, a hand rived peg is much stronger, as the grain is continuous. Other than that, beautiful job.
Why not use metal dowels? I would think that wrought iron, or spring steel would be stronger than hand riven oak. I know hardwood dowels are traditional, but they use steel brackets to hold some post and beam structures together, and I would think that steel or some type of metal rod would be at least as strong as those metal brackets, or wooden dowels. I'm probably wrong on this, but I'm still curious about if it would work. Any knowledgeable feedback will be appreciated, as I'm going to attempt to build some post and beam structures soon.
I would cut everything with loose fits and put it together with gap filling glue. Saves a lot of time when building a work structure like a shed or greenhouse.
Use time and care where they are needed.
I spent a lot of days making the 10 rafters of my shop. But I spent an enormous amount of time to build it all.
I made custom trusses 18”x16” boulted ciser trusses.
I am curious, how long did it take to make these trusses?
This particular one, only a day. But it was just an exercise half he actual size,
On my shop I made 5 of them, and the easiest pieces were the tie beams, I was able to mortise 2 beams per day. Then the rafter, since they need to have pretty accurate cuts this took a while, I think one rafter per day, and then the king post, this was fairly complicated but since it was only about 150lbs it was faster to make. What was taking the longest time, was moving around beams that weight 350lbs by hand, just me and my wife. This exercise was super easy the 4x4 were easily manageable.
Most of these video details how to make a pattern, any formula? The top does not additionally attached? +
The patern depend on the roof slope, here I made Caroline a 7-12 pitch, just like my shop, but you might want something else so it's hard to have a formula.
I assumed that there is some average value depending on the size of the material ... Anyway, thanks for the reply.
actually a king post right? Queen is when you have two posts in the truss equal distances apart
Yes, I made a beginer mistake there and I only caught it when people said the same thing as you said....
Well, this won't be my last mistake...
Alain Vaillancourt Sorry I bet you're tired of reading that then. keep up the good work! you should do a spline tutorial
No problem, I don't mind. The thing that bugs me the most is the people who are complaining about my bad accent, like I don't know I have a bad accent, I would be happy to have a nice conversation in French whith them one day.... But I'm more mad at myself not catching this mistake before the video was publish than any other thing...
Alain Vaillancourt your accent makes you unique buddy don't listen to the haters haha.
Bubbles Correct..this guy is a glorified amateur that should learn some simple facts before teaching others and making videos that embarrass himself.
Hello Mr. Vaillancourt, I have one question: Why don't you use your Stihl to cut the big wood? you can use it for mostly cut you need.
I only used it once whern I made my shop tu roughly cut tthe top of the rafters. The thing is without a brand new chain this always cuts at an angle, so I rather use other tools.
probably you must buy a new sharp chain and try it. Or you buy a rat-tail file and grind up the old chain. I am a carpenter in Germany and using my chainsaw very often. It works very well. By the way, i've seen all of your episodes up to here and I like it! The timber working in Canada is a little bit different to Europe and so it is very interesting for me to watch it how you are working. Greetings.
I might try, but I'm unsure....
I know it's a litlle bit diferent, before building my shop I read a lot of books from around here and some from europe and it was a bit different. When I built my cottage more than 20 years ago I was young and thought I knew everything, and obviously I made a lot of mistakes, I didn't want to repeat the same thing a second time, it's why I read a lot of books.
Well your shop and your cottage ar still standing up to now and they looks very well! I dont think you make big mistake. May be try and error and that do everyone. Differents are interesting, thats all. Another question: do you have or do you need a stress analyst who compute the construction? Here in Germany it must be for every building even a little tinny house in the garden. Now i'm watching ep 118....
Since it's not the main house I needed nothing just an hand drawed aproximative plans. Mostly the size, where it will be built in the yard and it's size. I made all my calculation with a book I bought on the subject and I rechecked them with the calculator on the forestry forum. Since everything was looking finbe on both calculation I went ahead. But still 20X25 cm beams can withhold a lot of weight.
sweet looking boombox is sitting up there
LOL I had it when I was a teenager. I love the fact that if I unplug it and re-plug it it starts right away so I control the on/off just by having a outlet remote control
Lol they always had like 20 D batteries!
Yes :)) who uses those bateries anymore :) But for a shop it's the perfect radio
And a good Teacher you are Alain, Welcome Caroline to the world of Woodworkers ;0. I do have to say; that's a pretty heavy roof truss for a green house! or is it because of my lack of knowledge and it is for Snow?
It will be overkill ,but she wanted the look of a timberframe structure. I can't argue with her, a timberframe structure is so pleasing to be in, or maybe it's just me...
Peter Compton that's because it's not fit for purpose..a total waste of decent timber.
Don't you have a Festool Domino XL?
Yes but I don't make timber frame trusses with that; I make mortices and tenons :))
Do you have details online? Very nice!
Not really, except the plan on these rafters. They are on my website in the plan section. thewoodpecker.net
I work with my dad what sofe ware do you use
Sketchup v8
Alain Vaillancourt thank you
hello monsieur vendez vous les templates pour votre Timber Frame ? j'attends votre retour
Non j'ai pas de template mais sur mon site internet thewoodpecker.net vous pouvez trouver le plan de mon atelier avec les fermes et leur dimensions
Go to woodprix if you'd like to build it yourself.
Finally good answer!
how was the top held together?
If you mean, how the rafters are held in place; first with a peg and two 15" screws and also two additional 18" screws at their botom. Plus two 15" screws at the top. This is on my shop, I advise Caroline to do the same, beter safe than sorry.
Thanks for the reply.
I'm guessing the king post doesn't really do anything there, other than look good?
exactly. you shouldn't have any weight on the tie beam. In fact the king post helps when assembling the truss 16' in the air and you have a 450lbs rafter to hold in place without any industrial crane...
How did you fastened the top
No not for this exercise, Caroline needed to take this apart so she could bring it to her home.
But on my shop, which has the exact same design, just twice the size, I screwed two 15" structural screws at the top of each rafter, and two 18" at the bottom, on top of the mortise/tenon.
The king post is often the center one and the queen posts are often the two on the sides
Yes, I notice too late after posting the video that I messed up in the wording, and it's not because I didn't know..... Thank you
@@LgosseuxDbois-TheWoodpecker😊
Thank you for your videos
She finishes the cut by and....?
Gaat job. Are the ketchup plan available?
Humm not the ketchup but for the rafters you can go to my website and I have the plans for this particular rafter
Nice work both of you! Why the subtitles? There is no need for them as you English is perfect.
But not everyones listening comprehension might be. Also there are people that have no hearing.
You can turn them off if you don't want them on the screen. Put your mouse over the video and press the CC button in the lower right of the video.
Subtitles are necessary for people with motion blindness. They can't see moving images as well as static text.
That broken English french is far from perfect.... It is understandable albeit annoying...
That crown tenon was super loose and those pegs won't draw tight without an offset.
The crown tenon is meant to be loose, it's just there to be sure that when the 400lbs rafter is lay on the king post, it will not slip on the side. When I did the shop and I didn't have a hydrolic crane to lift the 400lbs rafters, I was unable to make a draw tight peg mortise, so instead I used 18"screws to pull all the rafters together. On this "mock up" truss, we didn't used screw but I told Caroline not to forget to put some before drilling for the pegs.
Bonjour,
J'aimerais communiquer avec vous, j'ai un projet de faire mes fermes de toit pour mon chalet
Envoie moi un courriel a lgosseuxdbois@gmail.com je pourrai peut-être répondre a quelques de tes questions
Are these 6 by 6 timbers?
No, this was just to get the feeling of making trusses, it's only 4x4. It's why this is not strong enough for a real structure, but it was easier to move around. In my shop I uses 8x8 and 8x10 at 350Lbs each piece, it was a pain to move around especially when you're alone to make the joinery...
@@LgosseuxDbois-TheWoodpecker But surely 4×4 or 6×6 timberframed trusses are strong enough for a greenhouse??
Depends on how far apart they are. You see in my shop the trusses are 10' apart. 6x6 would not be enough. But if I would had put them 5' apart it would had been more than enough but the appeal of a timber frame structure is that you barely have ties beams over your head, otherwise I would had just use 2x6 and a flat ceiling. Everything depend on the look you want.
Sharpen your tools and things will be a lot easier. And get a 2" chisel. Most layouts are 2" cheeks. Hmmm there must be a connection in there somewhere.
Je dois avouer qu’il est très dommage que ces vidéos ne soient pas en québécois . En utilisant les termes en anglais (ou les deux) . Cela ferait vraiment changement . Je ne connais personne qui fait cette transition entre la Français (et donc tous les noms français qui plus souvent qu’autrement n’est pas évident pour des québécois ) et les Anglais . Cela dit: bravo pour le temps consacré, et le courage que cela demande . Merci beaucoup .
Amagin if that man was not around. Lol
Bonjour, je suis tombé par hasard sur votre chaîne RUclips, je prévois bâtir un chalet en 2024 , j'aimerais savoir si il y a un moyen que je puisse communiquer avec vous. J'ai quelques questions qui m'aiderait énormément. Merci.
bine sûr, je reviens tout juste me mon chalet envoie moi un courriel lgosseuxdbois a gmail.com
we need to know the angles
I have the plan on my website. If I remember correctly, it's the same pitch as my shop 7-12
Hi
Carpenters joints are nice, but downside of them is that they will weaken the construction, instead of strengthen them. Better is to nail or screw plywood or sheet steel on the outside of the joints. It's a lot less hard to make and is a lot stronger.
But not as attractive... It's why I my shop, I also used 18" screws on top of traditional mortises and tenons. I also said to Caroline to screw long screws
What you are calling a queen post is really a king post. A king post supports the rafters where they join. Queen posts support each rafter near their mid sections, which requires 2 queen posts. Just a correction in terms. What you actually did was correct.
Yes I messed up the words... I know... And I only noticed it when people started saying it....
@@LgosseuxDbois-TheWoodpecker So, I wasn't the first one. No matter. You were the first to show me how it's done. Thanks.
Plenty of termite food in those timbers!
We don't have termite around here :) If the wood stay dry the ants won't touch it.
I guess termites don't like our -35° in winter....
@@LgosseuxDbois-TheWoodpecker Nice. Where live the temperatures are mild so just about every wood structure has dry wood termites. I was once was doing framing and they were swarming around us while we were working. They just couldn't even wait until we were done! We used pre-fab 2x4 truss construction but had ornamental 8x8 timbers poking out for show. I use to joke that the timbers were just sacrificial food for the termintes to keep them out of our real trusses! Great video by the way.
WOW since we don't have termite over here I had no idea they were as much of a nuisance...
You know it's thing you see in movies and know that it must be exaggerated... Like people think we have 10' of snow here in winter and every day is -35°. As a mater of fact we only have about 3' of snow around Montreal, and this year it was just about 2' and no week at -35° it was pretty mild , sad for snowmobiling....
@@LgosseuxDbois-TheWoodpecker "Only 3 feet on snow". LOL. You have no idea how extreme that sounds to me. No idea about negative temperatures so I looked it up. Really interesting that -40 is the same temp in C or F. If you had your frig outside it would need to be heated.
Yes, at -40° both Celsius and Fahrenheit are the same. But Beside 32°F, I can't wrap my mind around the rest of the Fahrenheit temperature. Inches are OK though...
You're right each year we take all the stuff inside our freezer put it in bins and leave them outside in the coldest weeks, so we can thaw the tons of ice inside our freezer. 25 years ago a repairman said that this freezer was good for the garbage, it still running like the day my parent bought it 40 years ago, but got all icy inside
Who is Caroline?
She's one of my viewers, she lives 50Km from where I live
***** Thanks, I though random people were coming to your shop to make random stuff :)
Est ce que c'est un truc québécois de ne pas prononcé les H?
Oui pas mal.... C'est souvent comme ça qu'on se vend quand on parle Anglais
@@LgosseuxDbois-TheWoodpecker oh ok
ALGO CHAPUCERO
No hearing protection???
I don't remember... But it must be a mistake I always wear my earmuff, As a mather of fact I have 6 pairs in the shop
she may do better with a framing slick or large chisel over the plane. some people have problems with planes. I have tried to teach my boys how but they still have a hard time.