Thank you Brian. Such good practical information. I saw a little bit of Harvey Pennick in a couple of those. Club pointed to the target in the backswing and but of the club pointed toward the target in the follow through. Great info for checking my grip and having the butt of the club point back to the left hip. Thank you so much.
I found the previous videos a little unclear, but this one had some great explanations. As a 5hcp I would love to see what Brian thinks for better golfers who can play without slicing but struggle with a clubface which is so closed it delofts too much. That’s me!!
As always, simple, practical advice from Brian on fixing slices. Believe me, from personal experience taking lessons from Brian years ago - his stuff really works!. This is based on years of study and experience teaching all levels of player(s).
It works better with wedges. Should be drawing wedges - lower efficiency, lower launch, more spin. This is how you get 150rpm per yard wedge spin instead of the 60-70 and pulled misses that poor players get.
I went and watched Rory swing down the line and if you watch his clubface relativecto his chest it is pretty much 90 degrees the whole time so I dont I guess understand this idea of club rotation. He does point the club a little right of target through the finish. Ivtendcto think if you have passive hands and thecright grip strength for your own anatomy the club squares itself if the ball placement and stance line up your path.
Closing the clubface by rotating it. Somewhere along the internet road people started thinking stable clubface should be no club rolling closed. If you don’t twist the clubface closed in the downswing you must flip the face forward to compensate and swing over the top and pull it with a mid swing, swing direction change and make the clubshaft more upright. Every good swing has the clubface rolling closed some amount .
@1DCCX Hmmmmm - not sure about that. The club head swings on an arc into impact and post impact - understanding that concept is essential. The clubhead remains square to this arc. If someone has the misconception that the swing path is linear into impact - they move the club into impact in such a way that rotation of the club face is required into and post impact. Different strokes, different folks. I played from the inside with a 'linear concept' for 20 years. On good days, I could cover some serious yardage, but I never really knew where the ball was going. 2 way miss, and if I missed right, it was off the course. Once I understood the concept that the club moved on an arc - my entire game changed. Still hit it the same distances, but I can all but certain of start lune and curvature. The primary reason being that the club face isn't manipulated into impact to square it up. It remains square to the arc all the way thru.
@@billyt9921 The club shaft TWISTS OPEN about 100° on a iron shot by the Tim elf the top of the backswing. If it was "square to the arc" the clubface normal would point well behind the golfer way up in the air.
@@billyt9921 less compression square to the arc. Square has the face shearing across the ball. And I’m not talking stall flip roll. These things have been measured on Enso and Jacobs 3D. There is some face rotation contained within the club going round the clock. But also an in-arc twist. In ALL pro golfers.
Fixing a grip and face are important but just a band aid for a chronic slicer. Sure you wont slice if you get your club face square to the bath but if you don’t fix your body /arm sequence you always tend to be steep and over the top, saving the shot with your hands.
You're not wrong but it's a chicken and an egg scenario; 99% of slicers develop a steep OTT move BECAUSE the face is so open. If you fix the face first the path and steepness doesn't go away immediately but the golfer will hit one of the purest pull hooks you will have ever seen. THEN, you can work on their body and path. The reality is if you took a very open clubface slicer and started by fixing the path first they will eventually start to shank it because now the path is good but face is even MORE open than when they were steep/OTT. Most decent coordinated people will find a way to flip it shut versus rotating it and you end up with these flip hookers who come to you for a lesson saying they can't stop hooking it when the root cause is they were open clubface slicers and never learned how to properly use the face.
@@jim60631 Face sure is a problem solver to many. Most of the slicers still have a bad sequence and that is a number one thing causing problems with an open face. I see it everyday. Path can be fixed artificially so that it looks better in trackman and you are not that steep but if the sequence is not fixed the shots are weak and powerless and you eventually end up to over the top movements again. Those hands have to be taught to work inderpendently from the body and faster than the torso. Not many pros can actually fix the root causes of a slice, that’s why half of the golfers slice year after year.
You can’t fix your path until you fix the face, wrist angles, and forearm rotations for a slicer. Their brain will not allow them to swing to the right with an out of control face.
This definitely gets rid of a slice, but watch out, you'll be topping balls and hitting a lot of hooks until your body adjusts to the clubface not being open.
@@BEBETTERGOLF That's what I was wondering too. At first I thought it was El Dorado in Long Beach but it didn't quite fit. I noticed when I finish the golf swing as Brian mentions, the golf club goes down my back pointing at the ground as opposed to being across my shoulders.
I always just gripped the Jack Nicklaus way. I think that works and gives a reasonable grip. Tried “weakening my grip, and that was interesting, but not ever as comfortable as a stronger grip. I think a golfer finds a better grip after receiving instruction on how to swing better with the body. But going on and on about the grip seems to be a thing that people that really don’t “get it” need. And they need it, but those that “get it” better will grip well rapidly and naturally. I do not believe that a “grip” lesson is going to make a huge difference except for people that are just not “getting it.”
I've played with guys that slice all over the place and they're not willing to change their grip. Naw my grip is fine. I just need to control my slice. I'll figure it out on the range. I just need to hit some range balls.
So true. After you learn how to spin your body down onto the the ball then you can find what grip is most comfortable. If you're new and unsure how to actually swing the club then changing grips won't help you
We have been calling this "DJ" ing the wrist for several years now. You'll be surprised how much further your irons may go but beware of more pulls.....so make sure you don't start with a strong grip.
@@martynzl I agree, just talking about the upper swing grip, he is SO flexible that he creates so much separation of upper & lower body I figured he was able to “straighten it out” due to that. Recently I’ve switched to an underlapped grip strong with a Bryson right hand grip with the arm open & wrist rotated medially. I’ve added so Martin & Seb lower body & started hitting 300+drive immediately! But, my hands got sore so I’m finding a middle ground for comfort. Never too old to learn!
DJ has a strong grip and he says, all he tries to do is 'keep the clubface square to the ball throughout the swing'. Try to that and you end up with this closed feel and move. Malaska figured out his release: He snaps up into left cup aggressively also to offset his strong grip, you can actually see and hear it when you see him swing, if you know what you're looking for.
I'm sure different methods work for different people, but I totally agree. His grip explanation is good but classic and available everywhere His pointing the club at the target at the top of the backswing, would not be a good thought for less flexible players like me, and would almost certainly end up with me going way over the top. I would think this would apply to many many beginners. His manzela move is essentially a shallowing/ arm rotation drill, which might work but would need someone to help you get the feel, and I think there are better drills out there you can do alone His chicken wing drill... I need to try it but I really think you could still chicken wing with that drill I'm sure this man has made oodles of people better golfers, but I don't think this lesson is for me.
I really liked that finger on the clubface drill!!
I've never seen a better description of the grip.
Especially with the right hand. That definitely changes the feel at impact.
Really, really interesting. Great work, gentlemen.
Excellent, great to see Brian M, a true legend in golf instruction 👍
Thank you Brian. Such good practical information. I saw a little bit of Harvey Pennick in a couple of those. Club pointed to the target in the backswing and but of the club pointed toward the target in the follow through. Great info for checking my grip and having the butt of the club point back to the left hip. Thank you so much.
The MANzella 🐐💪🏻🔥! You got THE teacher right there!
Brian Manzella is a legend and is one of the best golf teachers of our time!
Great tips from brother Brian Manzella. I think this may be the video that finally cures my slice! Thanks for the great tips gents!
I'm a guy who backs the shaft up to square it. Amazing stuff here
What amazing lesson
Can't go wrong with any of these tips
So many ways to play this game...its crazy
I found the previous videos a little unclear, but this one had some great explanations. As a 5hcp I would love to see what Brian thinks for better golfers who can play without slicing but struggle with a clubface which is so closed it delofts too much. That’s me!!
As always, simple, practical advice from Brian on fixing slices. Believe me, from personal experience taking lessons from Brian years ago - his stuff really works!. This is based on years of study and experience teaching all levels of player(s).
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Thank you for this video! Does this swing work for all the clubs except wedges?
It works better with wedges. Should be drawing wedges - lower efficiency, lower launch, more spin. This is how you get 150rpm per yard wedge spin instead of the 60-70 and pulled misses that poor players get.
Awesome explanation of the way to fix a slice….hopefully there video on the way to fix the hook pattern x
Google Never Hook Again 2.0.
Recommend you visit Craig Hocknell next.
common sense and easy to follow. this guy can teach hacks or pros.
great tips!
I went and watched Rory swing down the line and if you watch his clubface relativecto his chest it is pretty much 90 degrees the whole time so I dont I guess understand this idea of club rotation. He does point the club a little right of target through the finish. Ivtendcto think if you have passive hands and thecright grip strength for your own anatomy the club squares itself if the ball placement and stance line up your path.
Dude. Side conversation in the video,(you can hear other conversations going on), is killing an otherwise great vid.
Hi, another fantastic video. I dont quite get the hook the sweetspot bit. What are ye doing differently ?
Closing the clubface by rotating it.
Somewhere along the internet road people started thinking stable clubface should be no club rolling closed.
If you don’t twist the clubface closed in the downswing you must flip the face forward to compensate and swing over the top and pull it with a mid swing, swing direction change and make the clubshaft more upright.
Every good swing has the clubface rolling closed some amount .
@1DCCX Hmmmmm - not sure about that. The club head swings on an arc into impact and post impact - understanding that concept is essential. The clubhead remains square to this arc. If someone has the misconception that the swing path is linear into impact - they move the club into impact in such a way that rotation of the club face is required into and post impact. Different strokes, different folks. I played from the inside with a 'linear concept' for 20 years. On good days, I could cover some serious yardage, but I never really knew where the ball was going. 2 way miss, and if I missed right, it was off the course. Once I understood the concept that the club moved on an arc - my entire game changed. Still hit it the same distances, but I can all but certain of start lune and curvature. The primary reason being that the club face isn't manipulated into impact to square it up. It remains square to the arc all the way thru.
@@billyt9921 The club shaft TWISTS OPEN about 100° on a iron shot by the Tim elf the top of the backswing. If it was "square to the arc" the clubface normal would point well behind the golfer way up in the air.
@@billyt9921 less compression square to the arc. Square has the face shearing across the ball. And I’m not talking stall flip roll.
These things have been measured on Enso and Jacobs 3D. There is some face rotation contained within the club going round the clock. But also an in-arc twist. In ALL pro golfers.
Square to arc actually has the face laying back and opening as the clubhead travels.
If you’re a slicer or a poorly fixed slicer this stuff is gold. I was curious as to why he left out wedding ring up
Hey, can't give everything away for free :)
Which is probably why I’ve bought a half dozen of your videos 😊
@@brianmanzellagolfnever slice again, like Frodo lives
Brian's old school, but awesome!
The release and rotation he is talking about here looks very Webb Simpson
Fixing a grip and face are important but just a band aid for a chronic slicer. Sure you wont slice if you get your club face square to the bath but if you don’t fix your body /arm sequence you always tend to be steep and over the top, saving the shot with your hands.
Wait to see my live lesson with the high school girl at Costa Mesa
You're not wrong but it's a chicken and an egg scenario; 99% of slicers develop a steep OTT move BECAUSE the face is so open. If you fix the face first the path and steepness doesn't go away immediately but the golfer will hit one of the purest pull hooks you will have ever seen. THEN, you can work on their body and path. The reality is if you took a very open clubface slicer and started by fixing the path first they will eventually start to shank it because now the path is good but face is even MORE open than when they were steep/OTT. Most decent coordinated people will find a way to flip it shut versus rotating it and you end up with these flip hookers who come to you for a lesson saying they can't stop hooking it when the root cause is they were open clubface slicers and never learned how to properly use the face.
@@jim60631 Face sure is a problem solver to many. Most of the slicers still have a bad sequence and that is a number one thing causing problems with an open face. I see it everyday. Path can be fixed artificially so that it looks better in trackman and you are not that steep but if the sequence is not fixed the shots are weak and powerless and you eventually end up to over the top movements again. Those hands have to be taught to work inderpendently from the body and faster than the torso. Not many pros can actually fix the root causes of a slice, that’s why half of the golfers slice year after year.
You can’t fix your path until you fix the face, wrist angles, and forearm rotations for a slicer. Their brain will not allow them to swing to the right with an out of control face.
This definitely gets rid of a slice, but watch out, you'll be topping balls and hitting a lot of hooks until your body adjusts to the clubface not being open.
Are you at Costa Mesa?
YEP!
@@BEBETTERGOLF That's what I was wondering too. At first I thought it was El Dorado in Long Beach but it didn't quite fit.
I noticed when I finish the golf swing as Brian mentions, the golf club goes down my back pointing at the ground as opposed to being across my shoulders.
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16:20 shows Brian M as a spoofer
I always just gripped the Jack Nicklaus way. I think that works and gives a reasonable grip. Tried “weakening my grip, and that was interesting, but not ever as comfortable as a stronger grip. I think a golfer finds a better grip after receiving instruction on how to swing better with the body. But going on and on about the grip seems to be a thing that people that really don’t “get it” need. And they need it, but those that “get it” better will grip well rapidly and naturally. I do not believe that a “grip” lesson is going to make a huge difference except for people that are just not “getting it.”
I've played with guys that slice all over the place and they're not willing to change their grip. Naw my grip is fine. I just need to control my slice. I'll figure it out on the range. I just need to hit some range balls.
So true. After you learn how to spin your body down onto the the ball then you can find what grip is most comfortable. If you're new and unsure how to actually swing the club then changing grips won't help you
We have been calling this "DJ" ing the wrist for several years now. You'll be surprised how much further your irons may go but beware of more pulls.....so make sure you don't start with a strong grip.
@@martynzl I agree, just talking about the upper swing grip, he is SO flexible that he creates so much separation of upper & lower body I figured he was able to “straighten it out” due to that. Recently I’ve switched to an underlapped grip strong with a Bryson right hand grip with the arm open & wrist rotated medially. I’ve added so Martin & Seb lower body & started hitting 300+drive immediately! But, my hands got sore so I’m finding a middle ground for comfort. Never too old to learn!
DJ has a strong grip and he says, all he tries to do is 'keep the clubface square to the ball throughout the swing'.
Try to that and you end up with this closed feel and move.
Malaska figured out his release:
He snaps up into left cup aggressively also to offset his strong grip, you can actually see and hear it when you see him swing, if you know what you're looking for.
Most confusing lesson that I have seen
I was going to post the exact same thing. Seems very complicated to think of all the steps while swinging.
I'm sure different methods work for different people, but I totally agree.
His grip explanation is good but classic and available everywhere
His pointing the club at the target at the top of the backswing, would not be a good thought for less flexible players like me, and would almost certainly end up with me going way over the top. I would think this would apply to many many beginners.
His manzela move is essentially a shallowing/ arm rotation drill, which might work but would need someone to help you get the feel, and I think there are better drills out there you can do alone
His chicken wing drill... I need to try it but I really think you could still chicken wing with that drill
I'm sure this man has made oodles of people better golfers, but I don't think this lesson is for me.
@@wildstar-yq2jh yes I believe it’s good but I couldn’t understand it at all