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Missed his calling in used car sales.
I took a lesson from Brian Manzella in 2006 when he was out here in SoCal touring and Lee Dietrick hosted/helped him. It was quite a bit of fun, and one thing I remember is if a change/feel he recommended didn't work in the first two or three swings he went on to something else and he had a bagful of "something else". He was a master at describing feels like "throw a drunk off your shoulder". Looking forward to seeing more on this series as I know he can be a bit of a contrarian but I'm guessing there will be a few gems. Already interested in learning more about the force across the shaft (handle dragging?) vs torque on the shaft due to Jacobs/Nesbit 3D golf analysis.
Wow, this definitely brought back some memories for me. I took a series of half day lessons from Manzella some years ago and while he’s interesting to listen to, didn’t help my game much.
A LOT of talking but just all over the map with regard to specific instruction. At the end of each session my head was spinning.
Don’t get me wrong, he’s entertaining and a funny guy, but tough for me to follow his advice.
Brian Manzella is the man! I speak from personal experience. I had lessons with him and he completely changed my golf game, vastly improved!
I'm not great, but I'm 76 with a 6 handicap and I had difficulty understanding 90% of what he was saying? Does golf instruction need to be this confusing?
Which part would you like me to clarify?
I agree and both of them talking at the same time was driving me nuts.
I agree
1st, I appreciate you took the time to respond - thank you very much. 2nd, I noticed I'm not the only person expressing frustration that it's difficult to follow your instruction.t It seems like you put too much emphasis on "telling" and your approach is to argue "who's right and who's wrong" and you're not interested enough in listening to your audience? You were kind enough to take the time and ask me what would I like clarified - but, I'm so confused I don't even know where to start. You are extremely knowledgable about the golf swing - but I'm suggesting the real opportunities to improve as an instructor is to study how people learn. If you're serious about improving your instruction techniques I would recommend a book, "Telling Ain't Training". Thank you for listening to me and I hope my perspective peaks your interest.
This guy is very interesting. Could probably do an hour live with him and just let him rant. Haha. Lots of good info in there and kind of have to agree with what he is saying.
Manzella and Jacobs are awesome! Most people don't know it was Brian M. who started the move to finding out the science of the golf swing, from his old golf forum. He got the ball rolling( pun intended) He was the initiator and the first or one of the first instructors to introduce, use and promote Trackman.
Brian deserves a lot of kudos for what he's done to help better the game and he gave instructors something to put in their tool box to help golfers get better, thanks Brian!
I’ll stick with Malask and Milo.
The gist of what Brian is trying to convey is maximum lag and FSL is super detrimental to the average golfer. Unless you can swing a 7i 90mph+, you’ll struggle to get the ball in the air and hold greens. And even if you are that fast, you still might not want to fully maximize those two things for a variety of reasons. Basically the GG/EGS modern swing teachings really only apply to a very small segment of the golfing population, everyone else would do better with more traditional teachings from the past to get the ball in the air, hit it straight, and hold greens. That’s what I got out of it at least. Makes a lot of sense to me. Guys like Manzella, the AMG guys, Malaska, and Monte seem to understand these things the best.
Brilliant. Thank you for inviting Brian . As a PGA professional teacher and coach, your channel is by far the most interesting. Thank you Brian for your knowledge and talking about this bad internet swing trends with all those unnecessary mouvements.
Takeaway. Don’t shove the club forward for a stock swing. Cool never seen that taught like that anyway. It’s a byproduct of not casting your writs and elbows early and have a correct downswing sequence
He’s setting up a straw man to knock down
Woosh! That is it. Whatever makes that happen consistently!! Get some golf in this week gang!!
one of my favorite teachers. been watchin the crafty cajun pro for yrs. common sense stuff.
Love these videos with Brian. He really knows his stuff.
Glad you like them!
He sounds like my parents ranting about how bad music was in the 90s growing up (though it was fantastic), & me now as a parent ranting about music in 2020s lol. This guy is great, gonna check out all his methods, love his passion, & he definitely knows what he's talking about.
To be clear, TODAY is the best day to learn about the golf swing. If you know where to look!
Excellent once again.
I usually really enjoy BBG, you are typically very expressive and help us viewers understand what the instructor is trying to convey, your charm is in the fact you are actually annoyingly detailed about trying to really understand and breakdown and isolate the salient point or points. For the first time watching one of your videos I'm at a complete loss as to what the point was? Manzella is supposed to be a great teacher, I'm not saying he isn't but I didn't hear any great points, and you typically help decipher what these guys are saying, I don't mean to be critical because I realize you put tons of effort into your videos, maybe this one is simply a mulligan.
There's no head line, or sub heads. Thrusted into the middle of an article without having a good frame of reference I e. Headline take away theme. It's a triple bogey but he can recover and make a birdie, then an eagle, and who knows, maybe par in from here.
Its pretty simple. Most social media teachers are teaching what they see pros do at impact , which is a buncg of lag, but dont understand that those pros have higher clubheadspeeds, so the pros need to reduce height. Most amateurs need to learn how to release the club i stead of trying to get lag from some kind of hold or body swing. Releasing the club on the arc and having an impact position with less lag/hold release will get the ball in the air and make the swing easier.
I’m glad that I am not the only one, that had no clue of what his point was. That was 17 minutes of my life I’ll never get back.
I took lessons from Manzella and found the same to be true. Round and round conversations and no real learnings.
Cut his ears off and he will not talk so much. Yes?
I think the biggest issue that is not addressed in the video is the fact that people confuse drill work with golf swing. There are teachers who will have you “hold” lag or leverage to strengthen your pivot motion. It’s not an absolute but just a means to an end. As your pivot develops then you can learn to release the club properly. Many people see clips, shorts, reels, etc from an hour lesson and think that’s all it’s about.
Exactly
Manzella is speaking in circles, there is no direct route to Nonsenseville.
Love your channel! Found you last summer fall, and Kwon and a couple of other videos have really impacted and made my game better! This guy is fun, but for sure gets too deep in a story after you asked him a question, need a bit more direct, and I can follow usually really easy when it comes to golf. But I think he’s super passionate about it, just gets a little lost in the weeds on this video.
Brian is 100 percent correct!!!!! Awesome job!!!!!
Besides all of his talking, Manzella's angles and techniques are so good. It seems his talking has to do with that he doesn't want to reveal the magic😂. 8:43 to 8:58 and 9:06 to 9:09 is the magic, right there!!. And he talks about it just for a few seconds😂🤷♂️. You're welcome.
This is great stuff Brian is one of the best and a great communicator. There is another teacher Steve Pratt “Hit it Longer”. that talks about that type of release. He’s out in Cali would be great to see a video with him too.
Basically amount of lag is overtaught and the players doing it never tried to do it. So he is saying concentrate your energy on the more down the line view pursuits and impact lag will happen as a result.
at 6:30 seconds i'm really confused because he says two different things on how he achieved the low one vs the high one... What the heck did he mean to say? is the low shot a handle push? I know my torqueing force on the club head launches the ball super high and gets me 0% shaft lean
Handle shove/Force Across the shaft delofts the club-if you don't forward torque through it to get the shaft back too where it would have been with out the extra shove. I just shove it more and DIDN'T torque through it. Low ball.
Lessening up on the Handle shove/Force Across the shaft AND adding some forward torque will add loft.
@@brianmanzellagolf so basically shove the club shaft toward the target for low ball? how do you handle the clubface opening up as a result? It's just that i'm desperately trying to figure out how to stop my scooping impact
Force Across the shaft? Don't forward torque through? Get the shaft back to where it would have been without the extra shove? I didn't torque through it? Are you paying attention to how many viewers are confused by all this chatter? @@brianmanzellagolf
The movement of the wrists is not made in isolation .
Even Mr Manzella has admitted that
The wrists can correctly cross only as long as the pivot is moving .
The vast majority of golfers stall their pivot for a variety of reasons . Stalling the pivot and letting the wrists cross early is a sure recipe for a flip
Yes 🙌
Brian is fun to listen and lot off good information 👍 I start laughing when he show that modern tour swing 😂 It depends show much about player. Tour pro needs control and beginner effortles speed. 🌈✌️
Great job
Golf instruction has definitely turned into "swing gurus" promoting weird positions and moves. A couple of other fads that need to die out is the whole don't pull on the handle because it "steepens" your swing and the whole light grip pressure fad with the old saying hold the grip like if you were holding a baby bird. Pulling the handle does steepen if your also open your chest early, it actually shallows if you let some of the right arm angle out, it also allows you to generate speed and height. Super light grip pressure doesn't hold up under pressure and it leads to sloppy face control. I remember Rory McIlroy stating that he has a firm grip on the club like a 7 out of 10, and Hogan famously said of the Sam Snead quote: “what Sam Snead didn’t tell you is that the baby bird is a hawk.”
I suspect lag is a result of other things in your swing such as tempo, plane, low point control, grip etc. To try to force lag is most probably counter productive.
Exactly what Jack Nicklaus had said in his video about the lag. Brian knows what he’s talking about.
Exactly.
Lag can't be taught. Lag is a natural reaction to the proper focus. The opposite of lag is early extension. If the ball is your target you will have early extension every time. There is no training aid to fix your focus. But if you want to get the proper feel of releasing at the target instead of at the ball I would tell you to try the LAG SHOT.
This is such an interesting video. BM has articulated the big disconnect many have seen in the different approaches taken by the instructors highlighted here. Compare Milo with Malaska. Do they teach the same game? It may not be as exciting, but maybe Jones, de la Torre, Dr. Kwon with his rope drill, and all those focusing on the club rather than the body are on to something.
Brian is a great instructor, one of the "few" out there that actually know what the club is doing in the swing.
His first 20+ years teaching others, didn't he insist that the hands lowered until impact and low point? Anybody who disagreed with him was ignorant. Wasn't it until after decades of teaching this, he "discovered" that the hands go up before low point?
I learned nothing from your first two vids with Manzella; other than he talks alot about what not to do in his HUMBLE opinion.
I believe he is trying too convince us to release EARLIER, which is currently a hot topic on RUclips now.
Please, get him to show us his technique of releasing from the top rather than holding the lag.
I've never heard of Brian but knew he was from the New Orleans area as soon as he spoke. I need to get down the road for a lesson!
Jack Nicklaus famously said you cannot release the club too early I think that is what Brian is saying here.
You left out an important part of his quote
“Starting down I feel the clubhead lagging until the downswing has been initiated by my feet and legs, at which point I know I can safely release with my hands and arms”
Everyone leaves out the second half of the statement by Nicklaus “if you get to the left side and turn through the strike.” The vast majority of golfers do neither so maybe that is where coaches should focus.
So what’s the proper why to release uncock and roll
The difference is, dragging the shaft is without release and dumping your lag is with release. You just can’t do it too early, because it’s impossible. Your hips won’t turn properly if you flip, but they will if you
release properly.
Clear?
😊
John Holmes had very little lag, hit it a mile
Still don’t understand his point here. Can someone or Brian just get to the point? So no shaft lean and a flip or a scoop at the bottom? Shaft lean instruction is a “feel” so you don’t flip or scoop at the bottom, yes your hands have to turn over eventually, but after you hit the ball. I agree with what others are saying, he never finishes his point, I get somewhat of what Brian is saying but not all of it.
I'll try to answer or I'm sure Brian will answer if you tag him in it. I've seen the 5 year old video with Monte and Monte tells him to throw his wrists. If you are sequencing properly you will never scoop at impact.
@@psycho8771interesting. What does it mean to throw your wrists?
Thanks to Brian and to YOU for watching and commenting.
You done with Milo and the boys over there now?
@@12piecebucketsure seems that way
More Scott Lynn please.
Manzella is a trusted source and has the common sense to put it all together. Almost looks as though he is poking fun at Milo Lines and the plethora of teachers out there advocating convoluted patterns that this poor Be Better Golf has tried to build into his own swing. The amount of internet gurus has skyrocketed, it is almost comical. I will stick to guys like Wayne D and Manzella any day of the week, twice on Sundays.
I need 50% to quit so I can get a tee time. I say keep teaching that stuff
As I always I enjoy watching your videos and the search for better golf. This guy unfortunately as great as he may be- I have a hard time following what he’s saying. I feel like he never really finishes a thought or explanation.
Which concept didn't you get enough detail? Love to help.
Yes exactly what I thought! I kept waiting several times for a definitive point and clarity, but it was like watch kids invent a game...and nobody knew why.
@@brianmanzellagolfThanks for answering Brian. Can you have so called ’perfect´shaft lean impact position with relaxed wrists through impact or not? Louis Oostuhuizen seems to be by the way one on tour with so called bad impact position.
@@kukamaolen3669 absolutely
Took lessons from him and same experience for me.
So if we compared Milo’s move to Mike Malaska’s move Malaska would win hands down . Am I right?
Yes, he is pretty much talking about the same things as malaska
@@Robin-Cj you need the body yes but not as the main thing just like when you throw a baseball if you used all body the ball would go nowhere. For me when I lift the left heel coming under with my backswing then put it down I feel my right arm way more dominant in the impact position. These instructors will have you with 8-10 swing thoughts before you hit the ball and my right foot is on the ground not raised up at impact .
@@johnvitelli3862 im saying this man is saying malaskas way is better, and Milos way would make 50 percent of people quit in 2 years. If you ask me Milos way of swinging needs all swing taughts, and malaskas way of swinging is maybe the easiest to play decent golf with very Little taughts..
Don’t do this…this guy is wrong…this isn’t correct…blah blah blah. What should a player do? He never says. Not a fan
It’s one of Brian’s older videos, but the stuff in Soft Draw pattern is better for us sub 100 mph clubhead speed humans than chasing that impact “look” John Rahm and DJ have as well as trying to overly lay down the shaft with some kind of weird manipulation rather than have it happen naturally
So basically it’s the wrist going into extension like Malaskas been saying or even going back to Mike Austin.
You can still flip with what you’re saying.
@@nelsonjames1272 a flip is only bad if done prior to impact.
@@martynzl it’s trending on instruction now, different from bowing and rolling.
@@martynzl lead wrist going into extension after impact instead of rolling, palm down instead of up.
To me it never made sense to have the handle way forward because you are removing all of the bounce on the club.
Listening to Manzella explain all this was torture. Pretend you only have 2 minutes to convey the proper way to create lag. We don't need to hear all the analogies and all the anecdotes. Just tell us what to do.
Here's what to do. Hit the range. And have fun. You'll figure it out. Eventually. Even if it takes 500 years. Which is not that long in golf terms. Thank you
@@quantumpotential7639what a dopey response 😮
As someone who has been working on my swing for the past year after not playing much the past ten years, I 1000% agree with Mr. Manzella. I don’t even know what my club speed is, but I would bet it is about average. I, for the life of me, cannot get consistent swings where I am leaning the shaft and th ones I do get lean are not hit the greatest. Kudos to Brian for speaking up on some of the nonsense happening on instagram and some of the RUclips stuff.
Of all the comments I agree with blah blah blah. All to say there is no such thing as a lag in a golf swing. And that holding something that does not exist is just plane stupid. Pun intended. Cheers
Talked for six minutes still hasn't said anything
I would love to go to a bar with this dude but I won’t let him talk golfswing to me if he paid me for it:) If I had to think about my golfswing like this I would use ALL my brainpower on the 1st tee.
Stop trying to impress me with your swing knowledge and focus on how your students learn -
Bro science. The two boys have zero understanding of physics.
I have access to the world's best scientist on the subject and the golf pro who has the most knowledge and data. If you have a question, ask away and if I don't know the answer, I can get it for you.
The concept of lag and achieving it has destroyed more golf swings than just about any other concept.
Maybe this is how engineers learn golf...WTH?
So is it fair to say that Brian disagrees with Milo and the squat move?
For sure
😂
Yes, but I'd go further. Like all would be gurus he disagrees with everybody else about everything. And if you want clarification of his thoughts he will disagree with himself. But let's hold judgement until Brendon hits a few balls and he makes suggestions about how to be better.
I mean I tried to go down the whole GG and Milo swing model and I was shanking balls and just got too dumped under. I went with Monte and Dan C and I'm back on track. I'm sure their swing models work well and GG has proof with multiple tour winners but it's too tough for the average golfer without constant instruction and feedback.
Does seem like Malaska, Monte, Steve Pratt have that common theme of throwing from the top in transition to get the sequence of things set up correctly going into impact. I feel personally the easy way to consistently take that concept through is to make sure that throw of the arms/wrists/hands does not continue through in isolation of the hips/torso rotation. I love that feeling of the strong uncocking and throwing the clubhead down from the top of the backswing …. But once the hands drop to trail hip height -- the hands and trail hip have to marry up and swing through together. If the hands just throw through way ahead of the trail hip, all kinds of inconsistencies in club face and strike for me. And if the hands hang back and trail behind the trail hip, then it’s either a block straight right or some last second flip hook. But I think Manzella is making sense from what I personally like and what resonates for me. We are ulnar deviating and throwing that clubhead hard from top of backswing in transition …. And I will curious to see if he discusses how best to make sure that throw is then done in conjunction with a married up trail hip and hands working in line with each other through impact
Mike Dunaway used a toy airplane for teaching purposes long before Michael Jacobs did.
Michael has never claimed to invent the idea. He did invent the idea of using it to help illustrate the golfer's 3D inputs into the club.
This guy is way more confusing than enlightening
Nobody is shoving their hands . If you try it you’ll figure out it don’t work in 5 minutes or less.
Great content by Brian Manzella as always, but BBG please dear God stop interrupting your guests constantly. The person being interviewed cannot stay on a topic long enough to bring home a point without being cut off and diverted by a question on an unrelated topic.
Two ways to swing a golf club......PRO and Amateur. Only Pros can swing a Pro swing.
All he talks about is what not to do, would love to know what he wants us to do.
A Chiacchierone, in Italian someone who talks too much.
If a person is giving you gold, please learn to keep quiet and let them speak.
old school........enough SAID....
What He taught is wrong, it is all started the backswing the 6inch from the address.