What the caller has to do is come out as gay himself, in order to get his closeted friend to feel more comfortable about coming out. He also has to have gay sex to really sell the bit
"bro.... bro you know what would be soooo funny? what if we like came out as gay to make Trevor more comfortable. but like, bro, what if we like fuck each other to really sell it lol. im obviously way straighter acting than you so i can bottom so that it's extra convincing. ah bro this is gonna be so fucking hilarious trust me. bro you could even like, idk dress me up like a girl , bro that's gonna be crazy funny"
There's an impractical Jokers skit where one guy comes out as gay, then a second guy comes out as gay cuz his friend so brave, then the first guy says I'm not gay but I knew saying that would make you tell everyone you're gay 😂
"Imagine if two of our friends were to go to a café, and we asked them to get us a breakfast sandwich, and they claimed there were none. Then imagine we call the place and it turns out they did"
Could you imagine finding out that literally all your friends are blowing each other and leaving you out? I’m not even gay and I gotta admit I’d still feel a little left out 😂
I was gonna say, this is practically the ideal situation for a closeted homophobe to come out of the closet. You're actively in a gay relationship and you have a community around you that already knows but cares enough to want the relationship to at least be genuine.
They're banging and walking out of the same room in the morning.. It's definitely not the dudes in the houses that these gays guys are really worried about finding out. They're clearly not trying hard to hide otherwise they'd just go to a completely different place to bang
true but he may not have even accepted it as the truth himself. A lot of times gay guys don't just stay in the closet because they know they're gay and are afraid of the reaction, they do it because they haven't even accepted it and still have a lot of confusion and uncertainty to work through. And no one wants to proclaim something about themselves they aren't certain is the truth.
My ex didn’t care that everyone knew and was accepting. Even his parents knew and were okay with it… but he still was wanting to live in the closet. After a few years I broke it off. It don’t matter how accepting people are if they have deep shame. It’s tragic. I’ll never be with someone who’s in the closet again.
100%, plus closeted dude has his religious upbringing making it more taboo and telling him he needs to keep it a secret. There's no problem for the rest of the house, let them sneak around and get off, play along imo, why do they need it to be said plainly for them? They all know what's happening, just let them do their thing imo
@rhubarb1073 I feel like I could do that, until religious 'straight' guy starts going off about some homophobic stuff. Whatever said after that is fair game, I think. Just stfu and suck c**k.
Keeping sexual relationships a secret really only works with long-distance/vacation getaway type scenarios - The audacity of thinking you can keep that secret in a house full of Young Adults is beyond denial
As a gay man who has been in the closet, this problem of sneaking around and hiding is happening because they're in the closet for a reason. The best way to coax them out of the closet is to reassure them that they'll be safe with you when they come out.
Yeah right. That doesn't work. Some of them are just too scared of their fathers and have a "reputation" to uphold. I came out when I was 14. Don't need a closet case holding me back. Sorry not sorry, not my problem
Id just start addressing them as a couple. “Are you guys coming?” “Do you guys want to do this?” And if they are like “what???” Id be like “oh sorry, i thought you knew we knew! So, are you guys going?” BOOM
Took half the video for them to figure out how a hypothetical works. "Well, imagine 2 of our friends... Wait... Our friends aren't gay? Wait, hold on..." x10
Very quality bro. S-tier bro. Talk to the gay friend about it and check in with him before you have a whole public meeting. He could probably give you better insight into the dynamics and he probably needs support because this closeted friend is probably exhausting for him emotionally. Like it's valid to feel hesitant to be out when you have been raised to believe there is something unusual about it, but your own shame is a big burden for another person to have to shoulder. Hope things work out well for these friends, because tbh very wholesome approach to this issue from the caller.
This was my thought. Confronting the straight one before he's ready is just going to lead to more denial. But if they're concerned about the conflict between the two they could sit the gay one down and be like "so listen, we know what's going on between you two, you don't have to confirm it, but we're a little concerned because we've heard some fighting and don't want this conflict to grow out of control. Is there anything we can do to help?"
This happened in our friend group in college- two of our very close girlfriends tried to hide it from us. Of course it all came out. Very similar religious circumstances. Love you guys.
The sneaky hijinks in front of everyone while pretending nothing is happening is the point here. Leaving the house in front of everyone to then sneak back into the house and go to the room is WEIRD AF. 😂😂😂😂😂
I mean tbf what are they supposed to do? Both of them live in houses occupied by their friends, so if they wanna bang their only options are to do it at a sketchy time when people might find out or go to a hotel or something.
Here's the thing about being in the closet: it's f-ing terrifying if you're not ready to come out and you run the risk of being outed. Especially when you're living in an environment where presumed heterosexuality is the norm. Having been through this myself as the one being in the closet, what would have made the situation much, much easier is to know from my friends that I am unconditionally supported and accepted. The friend in the closet isn't doing it to spite the rest of the house, he is just terrified of what will happen when he does come out. So be kind and show him love...that's literally the only way to handle it. You wouldn't understand the pain and fear of it unless you have lived it.
I don't think he can be terrified in this case as he makes such little effort to hide it. Or not terrified of what his close friend group thinks at least.
After listening to stav for so long now. He's just a nice dude. A genuine nice guy. I really appreciate that. The whole sit down and have a beer with thing, i really feel that.
How are these guys in a friend group where one dude is openly gay and one dude is posting homophobic shit on social media? Like how’d the Catholic get let into the clique? The gay dude was already there.
If it was me I would’ve walked over and knocked on the door and been like “YO? You guys fucking in there? what’s up?” The whole mystery thing is annoying.
Yep and then you get the openly gay guy beaten up by the closet case who lies and says the open guy was forcing himself onto him. When it comes to violent homophobic religious secretly gay guys, it is as serious as life and death.
that's pretty dense, you would be likely to set off the closeted one somehow which is what the caller is trying to avoid by approaching the situation more tactfully
the amount of closeted dudes i knew in greek life was actually insane lmao but as long as they're not hurting anyone in the process let them do what they want
He already unwittingly outed himself to his whole friend group. It's not a secret anymore, and he has to come to terms with that. It will be better for him and everyone else. It's not like they're outing him, it's letting know he's already outed and he can drop the act. Obviously they have to do it tactfully, but it has to happen.
Facts! Stavros is so right. As a man that lived with college roommates, it's just like "what's going on here respectfully?" We're friends I just want to be real with you Human to human 😂
He's in the closet but the closet door is just a big one-way mirror. That's embarrassing, and it will be more embarrassing the more this drags out. They have to force him out in the least traumatic way.
@@seanmatthewking No one needs to be forced out, that's a decision solely made by the person coming out, not their friends. The openly gay partner can choose to break up with him, but even he can't tell the closeted one to come out against his will.
Stav really does have some grace and decorum. He wanted to give the guest time to settle his shit, but didn't want to interrupt the show, so he makes a joke to fill the gap and then asks if the caller is ready. Classy move.
This was good, but I want to push back on the whole, “you can’t REALLY be close friends unless the one dude is 💯 open about his sexuality”.. I get thinking that, but I was a 22 year old at the peak of my terror of my sexuality once, and I know what it’s like to be in that position, even down to acting a little homophobic up to the age of like 20-21 to try and throw people off the scent.. I was raised in a super religious, very homophobic environment, and went to Christian school for most of high school, so most of my friends came from that background too. Hell, in high school I got “clocked” once, and though it was dropped after like two days, I did have to deal with some bullying, which was absolutely traumatic, and pushed me waaayyy deeper into the closet. I’d probably have faced that questioning more, but then I finally got some pvssy the summer we graduated high school, and actually had an mfm with one of my closest friends and a chick he was banging that summer, so that gave me the plausible deniability I needed for a couple more years (at the same time, that three way made me more worried about coming out anytime soon). At the age of 21, I finally admitted to myself I was bi, and it wasn’t “a phase”, then by 22-23 there was a suspicion really brewing where my friends were clearly catching on, partly bc I too was “sneaking around” (though nothing nearly as obviously as these kids), plus I was starting to feel, “I’m not being authentic”. It wasn’t until early 2010, at 23, that I started to tell my guy friends (some girl friends already knew, but it’s definitely different with your boys), and literally one by one, they all said something along the lines of, “dude, I’ve been waiting for you to finally say this”, and/or, “yeah, I pretty much had already decided you were at least bi, whether or not you knew it”… When I asked people why they didn’t say anything to me, they basically all said it didn’t matter too much, and/or they wanted me to just admit it/they thought I’d admit it sooner than later. Only one friend was like, “oh sh!t, I need to process this”, the ghosted me completely, but I wasn’t super close to them at that point bc they’d gotten way more religious, so I didn’t care too much. I could keep going on, but I’m yapping too much.. My point is mainly that it’s really not fair to say you can’t actually be close and/or your friendship is only surface level, if one of your boys hasn’t admitted they like other dudes. Of course that could be the case, but I can tell you from my own experience that it’s absolutely not necessarily the case, and in fact it’s often genuine fear of rejection, as much or more as it is fear of admitting to oneself they’re not straight, that creates these kinds of situations. That said, I imagine the zoom zooms are on average way more accepting and open on this than us slightly older millennials were. As far as, should you say anything, or what should you say, that comes down way more to the personality of the closeted dude. I think the advice here is decent overall, I just don’t agree that the secrecy necessarily means y’all aren’t really close friends.. I’m still close with the same people I was most close to then, and I was even a groomsman of the friend I had the mfm with while I was closeted. My boys just really didn’t put a huge premium on it, but of course were happy I ended up admitting what they already had figured out. 🙏✌️
When you have a bunch of guys in a house getting drunk and already doing borderline gay pranks on each other don’t be surprised when couple of them like it.
Queer person in a Fraternity here: Nobody wants to be outed or confronted on sexuality. They are not "lying" to you and don't feel cheated out of your friendship because they are not honest about something they are not ready to talk about. They need to come out on their terms when they are ready. It's also hard for them to talk about it, because they are frat bros, but it happens WAY more often than you think, so handle this situation with care. Best advice in this situation: don't tell them you know, but drop hints that you are accepting towards LGBT people by talking about queer people that are already in your life. If the friend group is comfortable in their sexuality, say you're all going to a bar and "coincidencentally" take them to a gay bar. They'll feel way more comfortable around you if you show you don't care without addressing it directly.
What about just explaining to them what everyone is thinking? It's not to say the catholic one is definitely gay, it's just about what he's been doing. If you can emphasize that it's about recent behaviour and not identity, would that be considered light enough?
One of the guys in the frat is gay so I think the "we're accepting of gays" is already unlocked. The issue is the closeted guys self destructive homophobic path. The guys should confront that shit and be like "we don't fuck with those things, it weirds us out and is talking shit about our friends. That's not acceptable" how he moves from there is up to him but then at least he knows the front he's putting up is failing.
@@caitthecatit’s a trickier situation than you think, because of the one dude who is closeted. Any sort of remark can easily come off as an accusation to someone like that and just make it worse. I agree with something someone else said in the comments earlier - drop hints they are supportive of LGBT, and let the person come out at their own pace. It’s a very individualistic journey and not one that needs to be the topic of their friends discussion
He should speak to the gay guy directly. Not in a round about way. Put it like this: "Hey bro, I wanted to give you a heads up, because I think you're the more rational one out of the two of you and I want you to be able to handle this on your terms. Everyone knows you two are fucking. You dont have to hide it because none of us care and we love you both regardless. But the sneaking around is a bit awkward and I think itd be easier for everyone if you just both did your thing openly. How dyou think [closeted homophobic guy] will react? Dyou want to sit down with him and chat? Or dyou think he wont take it well? We all already know like i said, so it really makes no difference whether you hide it or not." That way the less hysterical one of the couple can assess whether to tell his closeted homophobe lover or not. This makes an explosion way less likely and the caller offered his friends honesty, acceptance and an opportunity to handle things with some dignity WITHOUT forcibly outing anyone who may not be ready yet.
Thing is, he does have to sneak around because that's how their closeted Catholic friend wants it. The gay friend is openly gay, so clearly if it were up to him, they wouldn't be sneaking. So yeah, he can talk to the gay friend to let them know they know (which the gay dude already knows btw) but it's not likely to change anything. They're already arguing. 0 percent chance one such argument hasn't involved the gay dude complaining about sneaking atound and urging his lover to come out. People come out when they're ready. Some are never ready.
If it "Makes No Difference" if they hide it or not, then why does anyone need to know for sure? It doesn't. It's non of anyone's business. Just pretend to be oblivious to it.
Honestly this is how i felt about my friend going trans. Total bros bro. Went to his wedding, went to his baby shower. Then bam goes trans. Like wtf dude you didnt want to tell any of us the entire time?
I was the "straight" guy in this story in college. Not literally him, but i used to sneak an openly gay guy who was frat adjacent into the frat house. You can never say its exactly the same with this guy, but i was the most homophobic on campus, and it was a defense mechanism. If i said something homophobic and the person stopped me, i knew they were cool. If they laughed and went along with it, i knew they weren't, and it helped throw them off the scent. Im not proud of it, and wish i had it to do over again. The thing is, people very rarely stopped me; so, i got stuck in it. Most of the homophobia in my circle was probably my fault. Theres nothing that I would've appreciated more than my boys telling me (not in a house meeting) that they knew i was gay amd they were cool with it. To this day, i avoid that whole group because im embarrassed of how i acted. Again, cant say that is what your boy would want, but that was my experience.
i would hang out with 2 straight roommates who turned incel. id bring over chicks but they would either act weird or fall in love with them instantly and creep the chicks out. I was basically their only friend that would visit and it was awkward so i stopped hanging out with them. they now just live together and do gay stuff
Dude the pipeline is so crazy, I had two buddies just like this. They were weird straight nerds when we were like 19, then by 22 they were both incels, then by 25 one was trans and they were now dating.
The amount of closet cases that mask the fact that they’re gay be being misogynistic is crazyyyy. They’re like “I am not attracted to women so it must be THEIR fault!!!!” Like bro no, just leave us alone and we’ll leave you alone. They think women are _Invasion of the Body Snatchers_ type pod people who are just WAITING to catch them doing something “gay.”
14:45 i know what eldis means here when i was in college i went to visit someones dorm on my floor and she was in the middle of some fairly elaborate bdsm, and i wasnt disgusted but my brain just shut off, i just stood there dumbfounded for a few seconds until my roommate gave em the ol "looks like youre busy well come back later"
the reason they're hiding it is because it makes the hookups more exciting. happens with affairs and work relationships and other situations that warrant secrecy: hiding it makes it more fun and sexy
@@nataliaalfonso2662 lol well if it's between that, not fucking, and just telling everyone you're gonna go fuck, it makes sense they'd at least try to be sneaky. makes me wonder if the guy actually thought no one noticed him come back in or if he just wanted some level of plausible deniability
Maybe people wouldn't be stuck in the closet so often if it wasn't seen as THE primary defining factor about someone. If you're an artist, or a plumber or whatever it may be, and come out; you are no longer an artist or a plumber. You're a gay guy. First and foremost before anything else, 70% of people will think of your sexuality.
Had a similar situation happen where our best guy friend hooked up with a dude who was friends with my current gf at the time and we definitely heard them getting heavy in the next room over. I chose not to say shit, she did the same. He came to us eventually and confessed when he was ready 🙏.
Just aproach it as it is, as a friend. "Hey guys its really none of my business but is there something you might be uncomfortable telling me/us? as a friend i would like to be included in my friends lives and be able to support them in every way possible❤"
Id go to the closeted gay first because if you don't you put the openly gay in a tough spot if he divulges anything it's going to set the closeted gay off for sure.
I thought the same shit. it would be way easier to talk to the closeted friend alone and just tell him you figured it out and are willing to keep it a secret. if he has one friend who knows the secret, he might confide in him and be willing to tell the rest of the friends who already know. if the openly gay guy tells him that their friends know, he might blame him for outing him and blow up.
I like how you guys are genuinely concerned but deliver the message in an easier conversational way. The best advice was to give the gay guy support in case he needs help to leave the situation he is in. Right now he's living his porno fantasy but it'll get worse as time goes on if the other dude is trying to control who he goes out with.
Just leave it be. It's not a big deal, I feel like. If the religious dude is still embarrassed about it, there's no sense in bringing it up. Just let it be what it is, unless it gets toxic and starts causing some kind of rift
As a gay dude I remember when I was still in the closet and had told one of my best friends what I was going through, and had asked him not to tell my other friends that I was gay because I wanted to be ready for the day when I was comfortable enough to come out to the group, When I found out that he had already told everyone. I was kinda hurt and felt betrayed by the fact that everyone already knew because he had told them immediately after he found out! I eventually called him out for outing me before I was ready, and he apologized. He also explained why he did it and I totally understood why, it was one our best buddies telling you a major life secret and that he had to talk to someone else about it because of how crazy it was at the time. I forgave him and we still are all homies to this day. So my advice is to approach the openly gay dude first let him know that everyone else has noticed this little secret of his partners and that you all have nothing but love and respect for him and also that you guys will always be there for him no matter what, but it’s a little disrespectful to the rest of y’all for him to being lying to them about it! Make sure he knows that you guys don’t mind and that he doesn’t have to worry about losing any friends if he does decide to come out. He might just not be ready to admit it yet because he’s afraid of what the others may think about him. If he knows that they already know then he’ll probably be able to make that decision knowing that all his boys still have his back! Munch love Stavvy! 🌈🏳️🌈❤
I’m gay all my friends are straight we’ve slept in the same bed multiple times with each other on trips or just to drunk to drive home. Doesn’t mean anything happens. But the sneaking back into the house kind of gives it away.
Why throughout the whole convo are these two downplaying their friendship? The group who were in a frat together for years, decided to live together, and still hangout as a group to watch football. "Your friends with them but you only know them through college". Bruh... they're close!
"House meeting, we know you're gay." Is killing me.
“We’re telling your dad, unless you pay more rent.”
We're gonna tell your dad if you don't start paying more rent 😂
@@jlshel42didn't even see this before I commented instictually
@ all good homie
Aye yooooo imagine😂😂@@jlshel42
What the caller has to do is come out as gay himself, in order to get his closeted friend to feel more comfortable about coming out. He also has to have gay sex to really sell the bit
"bro.... bro you know what would be soooo funny? what if we like came out as gay to make Trevor more comfortable. but like, bro, what if we like fuck each other to really sell it lol. im obviously way straighter acting than you so i can bottom so that it's extra convincing. ah bro this is gonna be so fucking hilarious trust me. bro you could even like, idk dress me up like a girl , bro that's gonna be crazy funny"
This sounds like the gay guy talking lol
There's an impractical Jokers skit where one guy comes out as gay, then a second guy comes out as gay cuz his friend so brave, then the first guy says I'm not gay but I knew saying that would make you tell everyone you're gay 😂
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I'm hearing that he should go and surprise his closeted friend with gay sex.
I like that Stavros's concept of betrayal so he can understand the situation is two guys hiding pizza from him.
Well...this is Stav we're talking about here. He can only understand nuanced concepts if he wraps them in bacon and deep fries them
"Imagine if two of our friends were to go to a café, and we asked them to get us a breakfast sandwich, and they claimed there were none. Then imagine we call the place and it turns out they did"
@xrphoenix7194 lmao that's a deep fucking cut.
@@xrphoenix7194 sounds like something a bug of a person would do
@@xrphoenix7194 They have em all day even.
I like how this guy is genuinely just worried about his friends and the health of their secret gay relationship lol
hes a good friend
@@Psilo-gn1sx yeah like what if one of them brings home HIV
@@harrybirchall3308 honestly the fact that one of his biggest priorities is not outing the guy is really wholesome
The closet case is not afraid of his friends but maybe back home would be chaos. Not the callers problem but a real issue
He called them his friends the entire time, so he really wants to maintain the bond.
Stavy to his roommates:
"Dont hide pizza from me man"
This caught me up too, love that he compared having sex to "smoking weed and ordering pizza just to their room" lmao
The man bares his soul by revealing his greatest fear and you mock him
😂😂😂😂😂
I thought the same thing 😂😂😂
"hey man, who ever said I don't like a little sweet pineapple to my pizza ;)"
I think the caller is the only straight guy in a gay friend group and very confused about where he ended up.
I bet both of those houses are decorated beautifully
I LOLED
I mean he was in a frat how surprised could he really be?
This is what makes the most sense
Could you imagine finding out that literally all your friends are blowing each other and leaving you out? I’m not even gay and I gotta admit I’d still feel a little left out 😂
Honestly knowing his friends don’t care that he’s gay or bi could significantly help him and prevent him from repressing it his whole life
I was gonna say, this is practically the ideal situation for a closeted homophobe to come out of the closet. You're actively in a gay relationship and you have a community around you that already knows but cares enough to want the relationship to at least be genuine.
They're banging and walking out of the same room in the morning.. It's definitely not the dudes in the houses that these gays guys are really worried about finding out. They're clearly not trying hard to hide otherwise they'd just go to a completely different place to bang
As a gay person, a lot of the shame is internal sadly but having friends that are cool about it definitely helps
true but he may not have even accepted it as the truth himself. A lot of times gay guys don't just stay in the closet because they know they're gay and are afraid of the reaction, they do it because they haven't even accepted it and still have a lot of confusion and uncertainty to work through. And no one wants to proclaim something about themselves they aren't certain is the truth.
My ex didn’t care that everyone knew and was accepting. Even his parents knew and were okay with it… but he still was wanting to live in the closet. After a few years I broke it off. It don’t matter how accepting people are if they have deep shame. It’s tragic. I’ll never be with someone who’s in the closet again.
my fat bros are secretly hooking up (stav and eldis)
"secretly"
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@@CharlieL292 my fat bros are secretly hooking up
This is exactly what I thought this video was about. Was confused when they brought up a frat 😅
I read it as fat as well
I bet the sneaking around is part of the thrill for these bros.
100%, plus closeted dude has his religious upbringing making it more taboo and telling him he needs to keep it a secret. There's no problem for the rest of the house, let them sneak around and get off, play along imo, why do they need it to be said plainly for them? They all know what's happening, just let them do their thing imo
@rhubarb1073 I feel like I could do that, until religious 'straight' guy starts going off about some homophobic stuff. Whatever said after that is fair game, I think. Just stfu and suck c**k.
Humans be wierd like that
As an occasionally sneaky gay they just sound horny and kinda stupid. The closet case needs help that's all
Maybe the first few times
Keeping sexual relationships a secret really only works with long-distance/vacation getaway type scenarios - The audacity of thinking you can keep that secret in a house full of Young Adults is beyond denial
they're 22, they're basically toddler adults.
🗣DENIAL IS A RIVER IN EGYPT YOUR HUSBAND IS GAY 🗣- Wnedy Williams
lol they found mac from always sunny
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Right, that is exactly how I picture the closeted guy.
😂😂😂😂
LMFAOOO
Lmao
he should comment on how absolutely shredded Jesus' abs looks on a crucifix and gauge his reaction
He should play the Grindr notification and see who checks their phone. Do it at Walmart. Do it at congress. Do it at McDonald's 🤣
@@superkoopatrooper4879😂😂😂😂😂
@@superkoopatrooper4879 what does it sound like?
@@marksprinklelike some guy with the name sprinkle doesn’t know
@@NFGunner I come from a long line of straight guys.
Plot twist: The gay guy was secretly converting to catholicism, and they were sneaking around to closet pray.
They take turns making each other see god.
that would make me sad
Lmaooooo 😂
@Freddisred
I‘m f*cking dead! 🤣💀💀
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As a gay man who has been in the closet, this problem of sneaking around and hiding is happening because they're in the closet for a reason. The best way to coax them out of the closet is to reassure them that they'll be safe with you when they come out.
That's such a great point.
Exactly. It isn’t rocket science
He said the “straight” guy is catholic. I doubt his friends are the ones holding him back
Yeah right. That doesn't work. Some of them are just too scared of their fathers and have a "reputation" to uphold. I came out when I was 14. Don't need a closet case holding me back. Sorry not sorry, not my problem
Solid advice! Just be supportive and dont make it too weird
As a deeply gay man myself I stopped kissing my boyfriend just to listen to this call.
as a deeply closeted gay man i didn’t stop kissing my boy friend just to listen to this call
I’m profoundly gay and I did the same thing
@@abc.216wait, you’re gay!?
@@shawnstogsdill5687absolutely not, he’d never be gay! He’s DEEPLY CLOSETED!
Norm? Is that you? He lives!
i thought this was a voicemail, and then Stav made a comment and the dude replied. scared the shit out of me, but im also pretty high right now.
Yeah man you were high af lmaooooo
i haven't smoked weed in a couple years and this immediately reminded me of what being stoned is like lol
You are high
Id just start addressing them as a couple. “Are you guys coming?” “Do you guys want to do this?” And if they are like “what???” Id be like “oh sorry, i thought you knew we knew! So, are you guys going?” BOOM
this is the right answer lmaoo
This is the one ❤
Id just stop talking to them
Love it.
Man this is actually so tactful and clever 😅
Stav using pizza and weed as an empathetic anchor point to this guys story is beyond hilarious
Nothing like hearing Stav getting gradually riled up while describing and understanding the situation. Hilarious stuff!
Yea this was great lol
I just assumed all frat bros did this
Its true and all Latino guys. Id put money on this. Every guy from south America is bisexual 🤷
thought it was the point of all that mess
@ I really see it in the whites honestly
@superkoopatrooper4879 as a Mexican how dare you
Yea you lost me at H3 podcast
Took half the video for them to figure out how a hypothetical works. "Well, imagine 2 of our friends... Wait... Our friends aren't gay? Wait, hold on..." x10
Stav famously cannot come up with a hypothetical to save his life
Literal boy math 😂
stav's best attempt: "imagine a pizza that you aren't allowed to eat"
If you asked stav to imagine that he didn’t have breakfast today, he’d actually become a psychopath
Very quality bro. S-tier bro. Talk to the gay friend about it and check in with him before you have a whole public meeting. He could probably give you better insight into the dynamics and he probably needs support because this closeted friend is probably exhausting for him emotionally. Like it's valid to feel hesitant to be out when you have been raised to believe there is something unusual about it, but your own shame is a big burden for another person to have to shoulder. Hope things work out well for these friends, because tbh very wholesome approach to this issue from the caller.
“ we know you’re gay and you’re going to pay more rent or we’re gonna tell your father….” is insane.😂😂😂😂
😂😂 Wild!
Talk to the openly gay friend about it
It's likely not up to him. The closeted one probably swore the openly gay one to secrecy.
I don’t think the openly gay guy is just going to out the closeted one ???
This was my thought. Confronting the straight one before he's ready is just going to lead to more denial. But if they're concerned about the conflict between the two they could sit the gay one down and be like "so listen, we know what's going on between you two, you don't have to confirm it, but we're a little concerned because we've heard some fighting and don't want this conflict to grow out of control. Is there anything we can do to help?"
Yes... And check if the closet guy owns any firearms before any discussing any of this with him 😬 😂
I can imagine a world where Stavvy and Eldis have roommates who hide pizza from them.
I’d imagine they’d have to if they wanted to have any 😂😂😂😂
love that stav's first impulse was to make a food metaphor
@@nataliaalfonso2662 😂😂😂😂
This happened in our friend group in college- two of our very close girlfriends tried to hide it from us. Of course it all came out. Very similar religious circumstances. Love you guys.
Did one of them plead not guilty by temporary lesbianism?
@DisposableSupervillainHenchman nah they just came out as best friends and became roommates
How does stav stay in such great shape?
Suckin cucumbers
Eggs
Strict caloric intake and exercise.
_That’s just it, Captain. I’m always in great shape_
Clean livin
Imagine being the catholic dude and clicking this video lmao, for SURE this has already made it to him
The sneaky hijinks in front of everyone while pretending nothing is happening is the point here.
Leaving the house in front of everyone to then sneak back into the house and go to the room is WEIRD AF. 😂😂😂😂😂
its probably what made it hot for them though. They're 22, basically toddler adults so they're not really thinking clearly
I mean tbf what are they supposed to do? Both of them live in houses occupied by their friends, so if they wanna bang their only options are to do it at a sketchy time when people might find out or go to a hotel or something.
Stav was always nice to his gay friend, Adam
The smoking secret weed and ordering secret pizzas is what’s the most alarming to me
I could never handle the betrayal
Yeah dude, like have whatever type of sex you want but don’t fucking hog pizza or weed
“God loves tops” comes to mind LOL
I cackled at this😂
Here's the thing about being in the closet: it's f-ing terrifying if you're not ready to come out and you run the risk of being outed. Especially when you're living in an environment where presumed heterosexuality is the norm. Having been through this myself as the one being in the closet, what would have made the situation much, much easier is to know from my friends that I am unconditionally supported and accepted. The friend in the closet isn't doing it to spite the rest of the house, he is just terrified of what will happen when he does come out. So be kind and show him love...that's literally the only way to handle it. You wouldn't understand the pain and fear of it unless you have lived it.
I don't think he can be terrified in this case as he makes such little effort to hide it. Or not terrified of what his close friend group thinks at least.
@@123a-o5d Correct. It’s probably his family back home or his community back home that he wants to hide it from.
@@jamesbaxter222 It's like a trial run.
This level of fake friendship is only possible in a frat
Bros just operate differently
@@callmebawk as in they're happy to have these false friendships where they secretly resent each other.
For real.
After listening to stav for so long now. He's just a nice dude. A genuine nice guy. I really appreciate that. The whole sit down and have a beer with thing, i really feel that.
How are these guys in a friend group where one dude is openly gay and one dude is posting homophobic shit on social media? Like how’d the Catholic get let into the clique? The gay dude was already there.
theres a lot of cognitive dissonance in greek life lmao
He got in because he’s dating a guy in the group obviously
Conservatives are like walking contradiction starburst commercials. Literally nothing they say or do makes sense
@@allyjay7395and liberals are so smart and logical, yeah right
@@kylelaforest9919are there closet gay liberals? Lol
Stav is the straight friend every LGBT person deserves.
What is a LGBT ?
@DrewH-u9f Lebanese, im Gay, roBlox, Tinaturner.
Lettuce, Gouda, Burger, tomato
@ Fuck ya ,I’m for Burger 🍔 rights !!!!!!!
If it was me I would’ve walked over and knocked on the door and been like “YO? You guys fucking in there? what’s up?” The whole mystery thing is annoying.
Yeah man, that would have been a cool thing for you to do.
Yep and then you get the openly gay guy beaten up by the closet case who lies and says the open guy was forcing himself onto him. When it comes to violent homophobic religious secretly gay guys, it is as serious as life and death.
"y'all fucking?"
"Ya leave us alone"
Problem solved
@@LowTempDabrNah dog we’re playing Pokemon in our boxers.
that's pretty dense, you would be likely to set off the closeted one somehow which is what the caller is trying to avoid by approaching the situation more tactfully
Don’t say anything for another 8 months then throw them a surprise anniversary celebration
the amount of closeted dudes i knew in greek life was actually insane lmao but as long as they're not hurting anyone in the process let them do what they want
He already unwittingly outed himself to his whole friend group. It's not a secret anymore, and he has to come to terms with that. It will be better for him and everyone else. It's not like they're outing him, it's letting know he's already outed and he can drop the act. Obviously they have to do it tactfully, but it has to happen.
They are just serious about Greek life man. Bangin dudes was part of it.
What if he's raping someone? You’re okay with that?
Ridiculous
@@mudpuppin3tt3s ”as long as they’re not hurting anyone in the process” can you not read or do you just choose not to
@@mudpuppin3tt3she said not hurting anyone lol
The gay guy should probably respect himself a little more.
Low key was thinking the same thing 😭
Facts! Stavros is so right. As a man that lived with college roommates, it's just like "what's going on here respectfully?" We're friends I just want to be real with you Human to human 😂
HE IS IN THE CLOSET. It probably can't be something that even becomes an open joke because he doesnt want his life to change so much right now.
He's in the closet but the closet door is just a big one-way mirror.
That's embarrassing, and it will be more embarrassing the more this drags out. They have to force him out in the least traumatic way.
@@seanmatthewking No one needs to be forced out, that's a decision solely made by the person coming out, not their friends. The openly gay partner can choose to break up with him, but even he can't tell the closeted one to come out against his will.
A closet made of glass
@@mister_manager
So the others are forced to just pretend to not see what they are obviously seeing? That's entitled as hell.
Lmao imagine hanging with the boys and never acknowledging the fact that 2 of them are pounding each other
It’s like a gay Monica and Chandler situation
Sus reference, babes.
Awesome reference, broski
The friends all know it, but they don’t know that they know..
Very sus reference
God that Rapunzel comment killed me
The closeted friend sounds like a future Republican Senator.
for real
Right
Or a pundit, sounds a lot like Crowder or Fuentes 👀😂😂
Senator Larry Craig???
@@tedecker3792 Linsey Graham, Madison Cawthorn, Mitch McConnell, Mike Pence, and so many more throughout the decades on the gop side.
“They’re gonna be my best men when I get married”
“Well that’s a conversation for another time you’re 22” 😂😂😂😂😂
This one is so good! Wishing the best for these frat bros lol
Stav really does have some grace and decorum. He wanted to give the guest time to settle his shit, but didn't want to interrupt the show, so he makes a joke to fill the gap and then asks if the caller is ready. Classy move.
“We were at the straight guy’s house”… 😒 nuh uh
WAY TO CALL ME OUT BRO. IM GONNA CALL NOW AND GIVE UP YOUR SECRETS. YOURE DONE
For real?
Stop the theater bro, everyone already knows that you crave that bussy 🙄, it's just too good to resist 😂😂😂
This was good, but I want to push back on the whole, “you can’t REALLY be close friends unless the one dude is 💯 open about his sexuality”.. I get thinking that, but I was a 22 year old at the peak of my terror of my sexuality once, and I know what it’s like to be in that position, even down to acting a little homophobic up to the age of like 20-21 to try and throw people off the scent.. I was raised in a super religious, very homophobic environment, and went to Christian school for most of high school, so most of my friends came from that background too. Hell, in high school I got “clocked” once, and though it was dropped after like two days, I did have to deal with some bullying, which was absolutely traumatic, and pushed me waaayyy deeper into the closet. I’d probably have faced that questioning more, but then I finally got some pvssy the summer we graduated high school, and actually had an mfm with one of my closest friends and a chick he was banging that summer, so that gave me the plausible deniability I needed for a couple more years (at the same time, that three way made me more worried about coming out anytime soon). At the age of 21, I finally admitted to myself I was bi, and it wasn’t “a phase”, then by 22-23 there was a suspicion really brewing where my friends were clearly catching on, partly bc I too was “sneaking around” (though nothing nearly as obviously as these kids), plus I was starting to feel, “I’m not being authentic”. It wasn’t until early 2010, at 23, that I started to tell my guy friends (some girl friends already knew, but it’s definitely different with your boys), and literally one by one, they all said something along the lines of, “dude, I’ve been waiting for you to finally say this”, and/or, “yeah, I pretty much had already decided you were at least bi, whether or not you knew it”… When I asked people why they didn’t say anything to me, they basically all said it didn’t matter too much, and/or they wanted me to just admit it/they thought I’d admit it sooner than later. Only one friend was like, “oh sh!t, I need to process this”, the ghosted me completely, but I wasn’t super close to them at that point bc they’d gotten way more religious, so I didn’t care too much.
I could keep going on, but I’m yapping too much.. My point is mainly that it’s really not fair to say you can’t actually be close and/or your friendship is only surface level, if one of your boys hasn’t admitted they like other dudes. Of course that could be the case, but I can tell you from my own experience that it’s absolutely not necessarily the case, and in fact it’s often genuine fear of rejection, as much or more as it is fear of admitting to oneself they’re not straight, that creates these kinds of situations. That said, I imagine the zoom zooms are on average way more accepting and open on this than us slightly older millennials were.
As far as, should you say anything, or what should you say, that comes down way more to the personality of the closeted dude. I think the advice here is decent overall, I just don’t agree that the secrecy necessarily means y’all aren’t really close friends.. I’m still close with the same people I was most close to then, and I was even a groomsman of the friend I had the mfm with while I was closeted. My boys just really didn’t put a huge premium on it, but of course were happy I ended up admitting what they already had figured out. 🙏✌️
You can tell this guy is serious because stav said.. start with the gay one… openly gay one.. and the guy goes… mkay… no laugh at all😂😂😂
When you have a bunch of guys in a house getting drunk and already doing borderline gay pranks on each other don’t be surprised when couple of them like it.
Stavs looking better each pod fr
Queer person in a Fraternity here:
Nobody wants to be outed or confronted on sexuality. They are not "lying" to you and don't feel cheated out of your friendship because they are not honest about something they are not ready to talk about. They need to come out on their terms when they are ready. It's also hard for them to talk about it, because they are frat bros, but it happens WAY more often than you think, so handle this situation with care.
Best advice in this situation: don't tell them you know, but drop hints that you are accepting towards LGBT people by talking about queer people that are already in your life. If the friend group is comfortable in their sexuality, say you're all going to a bar and "coincidencentally" take them to a gay bar. They'll feel way more comfortable around you if you show you don't care without addressing it directly.
Former frat pres (came out in my late 20s). Great advice!
What about just explaining to them what everyone is thinking? It's not to say the catholic one is definitely gay, it's just about what he's been doing. If you can emphasize that it's about recent behaviour and not identity, would that be considered light enough?
One of the guys in the frat is gay so I think the "we're accepting of gays" is already unlocked. The issue is the closeted guys self destructive homophobic path. The guys should confront that shit and be like "we don't fuck with those things, it weirds us out and is talking shit about our friends. That's not acceptable" how he moves from there is up to him but then at least he knows the front he's putting up is failing.
I've done this as a lesbian in my sorority and it sucks but coming out is coming out ...just let them do them and be cool
@@caitthecatit’s a trickier situation than you think, because of the one dude who is closeted. Any sort of remark can easily come off as an accusation to someone like that and just make it worse. I agree with something someone else said in the comments earlier - drop hints they are supportive of LGBT, and let the person come out at their own pace. It’s a very individualistic journey and not one that needs to be the topic of their friends discussion
What kind of Catholic joins a fraternity in an American college?
Answer is in the video
😂
what kind of dude who isnt gay on some level pays to hang around other dudes🤣
Seminary? More like semen-ary
Two guys spending the night together in the same room in college is so obvious. 😂😂
Stavvy's laugh as we all know is top tier but Eldis's laugh is just as hilarious
My podcast boys are hooking up (Adam and Nick), also I'm gay.
He should speak to the gay guy directly. Not in a round about way.
Put it like this: "Hey bro, I wanted to give you a heads up, because I think you're the more rational one out of the two of you and I want you to be able to handle this on your terms.
Everyone knows you two are fucking. You dont have to hide it because none of us care and we love you both regardless. But the sneaking around is a bit awkward and I think itd be easier for everyone if you just both did your thing openly. How dyou think [closeted homophobic guy] will react? Dyou want to sit down with him and chat? Or dyou think he wont take it well? We all already know like i said, so it really makes no difference whether you hide it or not."
That way the less hysterical one of the couple can assess whether to tell his closeted homophobe lover or not. This makes an explosion way less likely and the caller offered his friends honesty, acceptance and an opportunity to handle things with some dignity WITHOUT forcibly outing anyone who may not be ready yet.
Thing is, he does have to sneak around because that's how their closeted Catholic friend wants it. The gay friend is openly gay, so clearly if it were up to him, they wouldn't be sneaking.
So yeah, he can talk to the gay friend to let them know they know (which the gay dude already knows btw) but it's not likely to change anything. They're already arguing. 0 percent chance one such argument hasn't involved the gay dude complaining about sneaking atound and urging his lover to come out.
People come out when they're ready. Some are never ready.
If it "Makes No Difference" if they hide it or not, then why does anyone need to know for sure? It doesn't. It's non of anyone's business. Just pretend to be oblivious to it.
Honestly this is how i felt about my friend going trans. Total bros bro. Went to his wedding, went to his baby shower. Then bam goes trans. Like wtf dude you didnt want to tell any of us the entire time?
I was the "straight" guy in this story in college. Not literally him, but i used to sneak an openly gay guy who was frat adjacent into the frat house. You can never say its exactly the same with this guy, but i was the most homophobic on campus, and it was a defense mechanism. If i said something homophobic and the person stopped me, i knew they were cool. If they laughed and went along with it, i knew they weren't, and it helped throw them off the scent. Im not proud of it, and wish i had it to do over again. The thing is, people very rarely stopped me; so, i got stuck in it. Most of the homophobia in my circle was probably my fault. Theres nothing that I would've appreciated more than my boys telling me (not in a house meeting) that they knew i was gay amd they were cool with it. To this day, i avoid that whole group because im embarrassed of how i acted. Again, cant say that is what your boy would want, but that was my experience.
i would hang out with 2 straight roommates who turned incel. id bring over chicks but they would either act weird or fall in love with them instantly and creep the chicks out. I was basically their only friend that would visit and it was awkward so i stopped hanging out with them. they now just live together and do gay stuff
Dude the pipeline is so crazy, I had two buddies just like this. They were weird straight nerds when we were like 19, then by 22 they were both incels, then by 25 one was trans and they were now dating.
@@ATXnomad698 desperate times desperate measures
The amount of closet cases that mask the fact that they’re gay be being misogynistic is crazyyyy. They’re like “I am not attracted to women so it must be THEIR fault!!!!” Like bro no, just leave us alone and we’ll leave you alone. They think women are _Invasion of the Body Snatchers_ type pod people who are just WAITING to catch them doing something “gay.”
Really hope he calls back with updates, what a sweet kid and crazy story.
“We were all in the same fraternity together”
Wait so they’re all gay? I don’t understand what the issue is here.
That's what frat boys do, right? "Thank you sir, may I have another!" - Animal House
14:45 i know what eldis means here when i was in college i went to visit someones dorm on my floor and she was in the middle of some fairly elaborate bdsm, and i wasnt disgusted but my brain just shut off, i just stood there dumbfounded for a few seconds until my roommate gave em the ol "looks like youre busy well come back later"
the reason they're hiding it is because it makes the hookups more exciting. happens with affairs and work relationships and other situations that warrant secrecy: hiding it makes it more fun and sexy
Sneaking back into the house WITH EVERYONE THERE? 😂😂😂😂😂 it’s so weird
@@nataliaalfonso2662 lol well if it's between that, not fucking, and just telling everyone you're gonna go fuck, it makes sense they'd at least try to be sneaky. makes me wonder if the guy actually thought no one noticed him come back in or if he just wanted some level of plausible deniability
Degenerative
@@braxtonvestal777 we all know you get 0 🐱 😂
This is just gardini talking about Matt and Shane
Gotta throw a bone to the DAWGZ! 🦴 🐶
I love how seven minutes in Eldis is like 'hold on, how old are you guys? you're friends or naw?'
Maybe people wouldn't be stuck in the closet so often if it wasn't seen as THE primary defining factor about someone. If you're an artist, or a plumber or whatever it may be, and come out; you are no longer an artist or a plumber. You're a gay guy. First and foremost before anything else, 70% of people will think of your sexuality.
Would actually love an episode devoted to a single question
“I think you start with the gay one” LMAO
Had a similar situation happen where our best guy friend hooked up with a dude who was friends with my current gf at the time and we definitely heard them getting heavy in the next room over. I chose not to say shit, she did the same. He came to us eventually and confessed when he was ready 🙏.
They should have a "Where Are They Now?" Segment and get updates on these stories.
Just aproach it as it is, as a friend. "Hey guys its really none of my business but is there something you might be uncomfortable telling me/us? as a friend i would like to be included in my friends lives and be able to support them in every way possible❤"
Alternatively he sucks them both off unprovoked
Id go to the closeted gay first because if you don't you put the openly gay in a tough spot if he divulges anything it's going to set the closeted gay off for sure.
Agreed
I thought the same shit. it would be way easier to talk to the closeted friend alone and just tell him you figured it out and are willing to keep it a secret. if he has one friend who knows the secret, he might confide in him and be willing to tell the rest of the friends who already know. if the openly gay guy tells him that their friends know, he might blame him for outing him and blow up.
If theyre going to blow up about that, they'll probably not take it that well when you just call em gay to their face either.
I like how you guys are genuinely concerned but deliver the message in an easier conversational way. The best advice was to give the gay guy support in case he needs help to leave the situation he is in. Right now he's living his porno fantasy but it'll get worse as time goes on if the other dude is trying to control who he goes out with.
Relationships breaking up friend groups is so sad
Dude this guy needs to call and follow up when there’s a conclusion to his story
KEEP IT TWISTED
I desperately need this romance novel
Then as limited series on max in style of Looking 😍
lol I can see why nicks impersonation of Eldis is literally just Homer Simpson
Just leave it be. It's not a big deal, I feel like. If the religious dude is still embarrassed about it, there's no sense in bringing it up. Just let it be what it is, unless it gets toxic and starts causing some kind of rift
Agreed
I think that’s what he’s talking about though
@@nataliaalfonso2662 I commented long before they got to that. It took them 21 minutes to say it.
Taking Eskimo bro to the next level…nice
This was an amazing take on this situation
A tale as old as time
kinda shows you how gay the behavior in frats is normally when these two guys think having sleepovers in the same bed is not gonna be noticed
Honestly you approach it from a standpoint of telling them you accept it and they don't need to hide it anymore
Working out while listening to this almost cost me my life.. I’m going to come back to this later lol
Just tell them both that all your group is aware and they can quit hiding it.
Stav truly needs Nick and Adam to help answer this question accurately. Just a group of boys trying to get topped off.
"Ostensibly straight"
As a gay dude I remember when I was still in the closet and had told one of my best friends what I was going through, and had asked him not to tell my other friends that I was gay because I wanted to be ready for the day when I was comfortable enough to come out to the group, When I found out that he had already told everyone. I was kinda hurt and felt betrayed by the fact that everyone already knew because he had told them immediately after he found out!
I eventually called him out for outing me before I was ready, and he apologized. He also explained why he did it and I totally understood why, it was one our best buddies telling you a major life secret and that he had to talk to someone else about it because of how crazy it was at the time. I forgave him and we still are all homies to this day.
So my advice is to approach the openly gay dude first let him know that everyone else has noticed this little secret of his partners and that you all have nothing but love and respect for him and also that you guys will always be there for him no matter what, but it’s a little disrespectful to the rest of y’all for him to being lying to them about it! Make sure he knows that you guys don’t mind and that he doesn’t have to worry about losing any friends if he does decide to come out. He might just not be ready to admit it yet because he’s afraid of what the others may think about him. If he knows that they already know then he’ll probably be able to make that decision knowing that all his boys still have his back!
Munch love Stavvy! 🌈🏳️🌈❤
I’m gay all my friends are straight we’ve slept in the same bed multiple times with each other on trips or just to drunk to drive home. Doesn’t mean anything happens. But the sneaking back into the house kind of gives it away.
The catholic guy is definitely terrified of the reaction from home
Why throughout the whole convo are these two downplaying their friendship? The group who were in a frat together for years, decided to live together, and still hangout as a group to watch football. "Your friends with them but you only know them through college". Bruh... they're close!
I would love a yearly update frfr
we need updates on this one