“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” Now we know why. Edit: For people missing the point, while this specific video expose of the addon is for ebgs, READ the forums/reddit thread on what the addon can do, so it isn't farfetched to think it is being used (or a version of it) in certain rated content, there is a REASON a lot of us blitz players see this happening 5, 6, 7 and up to 10 times or more in a row sometimes (it is comical), because most likely an addon like this is being used in rated settings, it would be naïve to think it isn't.
well, yeah, but the thing is most of the top players are sitting in Discord. They're all familiar with each other from arena/rbgs, so they duo and sync with others through voice. Once you get so high in MMR, it slows down because it's their whole clique queueing in that bracket.
I used to love healing them. But too many people that don't help when you are being dog piled by teams like this. It's it's not fun being steam rolled. It's also not fun with steam rolls..the best matches are the ones where both teams are even and fighting to the last second for that final point
@@Tuoni996 I still do, Mistweaver. You have to tell them, teach and explain. Ofc some are so arrogant and toxic they hate it when someone tries to give team advice or instruction. For instance I see this all the time, players guarding a base flag who stand right next to it making it so easy for a stealth CC click and cap, stand 50 feet away if you're comfortable with that, hide in a bush, mount up, he has to come CC you then run to the flag and start cap which takes some seconds, CC wears off you interrupt. Just saying that can get you pushback lol. To make a win sometimes if you have the knowledge you have to grab a team by the scruff of the neck and provide some leadership and just hope the people who joined spell team without an I in it and play like one. Same on healing, tell them you want at least 2 people throwing CC at those who are inevitably headed straight for you so you can heal the group.
@@T.R.75 this is different from just being a try hard... this is cheating. Nothing is wrong with wanting to be good or win. But this is honorless and trashy.
I literally don't understand the point in wanting to join a BG where you can completely steamroll the other team. For me, the fun comes from even match ups, having to clutch points, captures, kills etc... I've never understood the fun in games that are basically over before they've even started.
meta gaming in a nutshell. have you watched how insanely dogsh** the new classic wow servers are? i feel like people are playing this WoW like it's a job, and not for fun anymore.
@@zerti86 its emergent gameplay. people with no skill will game the system to be in their favor for the least amount of effort. it happens more so in games that have been out for decades. its blizzards problem and as long as people still pay nothing will ever change. imho.
There is no fun when you play random and everyone else is gaming the system. Its not a matter of occasionally losing in a lopsided battle. Its near constant
It's because the players have been conditioned to play just for the rewards. People play entire modes just for rewards then quit when they get them. Blizzard created the problem themselves by promoting FOMO and basing so many things around rewards vendors and fillable bars.
@@TheKourage88 Name ONE single game with a real reward "Kek" that is annoying to read. Unless you are a professional or make it from streaming which is a small % AKA your logic is trash.
What's crazy is players in battlegrounds actually feel like something is rigged in the games these past few weeks, but we can't prove it. We tell ourselves that it must be in our head and premades are fake news xD
Only clueless people think it's all in their head. From my experience from being a WoW veteran at release after leaving EverQuest, i'ts pretty OBVIOUS when it's rigged.
It's really not that hard to prove, lol. You look at their roster, and most of the time, it has the same 10-15 players who are always on the same team. It's rare enough seeing 2 of the same players in a BG, but 10-15 of them, especially from the same/merged realms, isn't a coincidence.
@@plasticbudgie I do not advocate for addons being banned at all. The ones highlighted in this video are completely horrendous and should be banned. But addons are so much more than combat related and I think thats what a lot of people don't think about when they say "ban all addons"
Anything combat related needs to be integrated into the game, such as the functions of WeakAuras to track buffs/debuffs. Otherwise, ANY addon that is combat related needs to be BANNED from the game.
literally nobody are talking about these addons when they say "ban all addons", people are for the most part talking about weakauras that scream at you when enemy cooldowns have been pressed, or if your healer is in cc. or something like a "MELD NOW" weakaura when things like coil/storm bolt are flying in the air towards you
This is the prime reason I stopped pvping. Random bgs used to be my favorite thing to do in wow, but sadly people ruined it.... Guess that's just what people enjoy these days, making things unplayable. Don't get how it could be even remotely fun to do. At this point blizz could just disable all addons and I'd be happy. Atleast it would force these people to be on voice coms to try to sync their queues.
@@theforgeryttv6449 tbh if addons are such a crutch for you to stay afloat then i dont feel bad for you. I agree some addons should be made as ingame features but you cant convince me players need, dbm, weak auras, gtfo and tmw in the core game, or something like dps meters and gladius, its just stuff thats incredibly broken and feels like a must to have because its not against tos and for that reason id love for blizz to remove all addons from the game
Those people ruin epic BGs completely and keep saying on forum that it's fair game. Those addon users and community leaders and players should be permabanned for ruining whole bg part of the game for thousands of people
I was just looking at the data that thing shows on Vens screen. I run a few Epic per day depending on time, some days it is a waste of time. This probably explains why, these add ons. I agree permanent ban.
What's funny is that those players that say it's fair game also say to just get 39 others or make friends and do the same thing. Problem is, if Blizzard intended for 40 people to que up together instead of only 5, there would already an option in the game to que with 40... so it's clearly not "fair game". They also forget mention that if you do this, they will avoid your 40 man at all costs so they have no risk of losing. Perma ban for not just their current account but also any credit card or debit card that they have ever had on file.
I was in an IOC yesterday where we started the game 7 horde vs 38 alliance. Game was less than a minute from ending before we got enough backfills to cancel the auto end feature. Alliance already had the walls coming down before we had even numbers.
Had a IOC too like this but it was 14 vs 40 I think. Was super confused why I was the ONLY healer and we had not a single tank, not to mention less then half our max group size. Guess I know why now. :(
i quit playing epics because i'm so sick and tired of these lopsided matches. the epic communities avm, djl, and rr are ruining the game for everyone. they dont want to play with "friends", they want free wins.
these epic bg premade losers have been ruining the game for literal years. the forums have been flooded with epic bg premade topic for years blizz dont gaf
So someone went through the trouble of coding an addon that allows them to wuss out if the enemy is too strong. This is literally one of the most pathetic things I've seen in 30 years of multiplayer gaming.
my man, this is only the tip of the iceberg. I dont know this youtuber but i saw this vid and i knew i just had to write some comments. Its clear to me that this Venruki also wasnt told the full story and what tools and addons are currently going around in the pvp community. I will not mention any names, neither will i share discords but what I will do is tell all of you that there are way bigger things that are way more game breaking than this beeing used by some of the top pvp guilds in the EU and russia (I dont have any contacts to the US/Asia personally, i just heard some things but cant confirm myself if they are true)
This isn't new though. This is been going on for 4 years plus, and they continue to develop more and more ways to make the abuse streamline. The BG forums have been screaming about this crap for years.
@@Mhortai Yea, it really took off in DF. While they have been a thing since vanilla and I remember seeing them some on BC, they were never too much of a problem. Now you can see them multiple games in a row OR they leave the bg you're in and you have no chance of winning.
Not surprising. You can't do normal dungeons without a toxic, sweaty try-hard breathing on your neck for not doing enough DPS, not healing enough, or pulling enough adds quickly as a tank. You can't even post WoW gameplay footage without getting toxic users leaving mass dislikes because you aren't playing they want you to. Even getting into mythic groups as a DPS is impossible to the point why even have such groups listed?
Streamers like Staysafe join AV with full pre-mades, and as soon as he doesn't like the way the game is going, he drops all 40 out of the game. Blizzard doesn't care about people ruining BGs, because there is never a punishment.
I know of a few players on moonguard who had been "claiming" about using an addon like this for blitz and win-trading, I never believed them until watching this video, so this is definitely isn't only being used in regulars.
Friends and I have always loved doing random BGs together but lately have stopped because we just can't take getting GY farmed anymore. Not sure if its this add-on, or if just most high skill players have switched to alliance but the extremely lopsided match making in random BGs has made it not worth my valuable gaming time.
This was my experience after Pandaria. I stopped playing a lot after Pandaria, but every time I would come back, grind to level cap and play some BGs it was miserable. Pandaria was the last time it felt like I actually had fair games where I could actually make an impact. Gimme a standalone BG game with no gear, just stat and talent allocations. I don't want to have to cap arena points every week to stay relevant in random battlegrounds.
this has been happening for years except before the addon people just used Btags to dodge eachother. dodging in the RBG community has been a thing since RBGs first came out. this is how alot of the top rbgers keep their high W/L.
This has been happening in the non rated scene for years reaching its peak in early 2024. It’s been brought to light time and time again but nothing was ever done. Imagine my shock when solo que rbgs had this problem. Who could have predicted this? Color me surprised.
Blizzard needs to significantly limit the amount of functions/data available to PvP addons. Addons are negatively impacting the game. Not just talking about this stuff, but the bullhorns, when to kick etc...
@@brentwaits954 *THXSOUNDATMAXBUTLIKERADARBBBOBOSOSOSOBOBOBOOBOBOBO* STEALTHED PLAYER DETECED NEARBY Behind you. out of your field of vision, but luckily the add-on saw them while they were breifly detected So now you KNOW to pop your human racial. or some AOE.
If he's talking about DBM telling people not to stand in stuff with a n increibly loud basketball buzzer sound, that's basically required to play the game. not having it is almost griefing the other 39 people.
@ I never needed bullhorns, I don't know what you're talking about. How can you not know you're standing in shit. I can see if someone is a clicker but other than that I can't see how anyone with binds can't see that they're standing in a puddle or something
This is what made me quit wow for good a few months ago. I loved the close matches, but the balance issues, extreme amount of cc, and premades made pvp unplayable.
Sheesh, this would explain *a lot* about queue times as of recently... This type of behavior has been steadily building since BFA, now it's a full blown operation. This is crazyyyy!
Leaving queue after queue pops should give deserter debuff. Another issue is Battleground Commander being used for Blitz. My friend posted a screenshot in our guild discord asking "what does this mean"? Her partner who she had just met's Battleground Commander was sending messages in their 2 man party chat. I had to explain to her what was going on and that it could get her banned.
I don't agree that just 1 failure to answer the que should give debuff. It should be repeated drops per hour. As little as 2 times per hour but 3 sounds best. Sometimes you que and as soon as something else pops up, the que pops. For example, want to have your que pop? Go to the bathroom. And it's not like every single que is 10 minutes or more giving you time for bio. Backfilling has been extremely common due to que droppers and quitters.
Wild seeing Ruslan-Area52 on there, I’ve come across their premade more times than I want to remember. The games were completely one sided and you get steam rolled- people would leave as soon as they seen Ruslan on the opposing team just because you knew it was hopeless. So many people would leave off the jump, it back fills and they leave too because they see the state of the match. It’s gotten bad to a point that I hardly even pvp anymore and I’m glad people are shedding some light on these underground issues.
If i understand correctly Ruslan is complaining about one sidedness on the alliance side here. I've played a LOT of games with Ruslan and they often queue by themselves or with a few people. Not big premades. Premade community is much bigger on the alliance side, people roll alliance specifically for that.
@ oh wow that’s interesting, I’ve always been horde but rolled alliance for certain racials for warrior and any game against Ruslan, we were absolutely decimated and people would leave before the match even started. It was just a snowball of negative outcomes- especially if the queues were long. I don’t know much about Ruslan so maybe my remark was just ignorant but I can just say from experiences, whatever team they’re on- they dish out a beat down haha
@@courgette-bf6zn I kinda suspected that just from my run ins with Ruslan lobbies that something shady was going on, even if we did have a chance against them on the side of alliance - so many people would just leave right at the beginning of the match because we already knew the outcome but my logic was well, I could leave the game and get deserter or just take the 5 minute steamroll of an L (unless they wanted to just farm kills) but when you sit in queue for so long, just adding a deserter debuff to yourself was a lose lose so I just stuck around as frustrating and unenjoyable as it was and that’s just the whole point of why I like that Ven is helping pass this info along to the community too. I’m not hardcore at pvp by any means, got gladiator S4 of dragonflight and just 1800 to get the elite appearances but yea- since TWW, the battleground experience has tanked ☹️
i checked that hulksmashson on armory hes honor level 1300 with 250k hks achiv. what they are doing is disgusting and i hope blizz sees this and perma bans them
epic, random, rated doesnt matter. Premades are killing this game by torturing people while they are having "fun" in their sick minds so the only solution is to match premades (perhaps bigger groups then 2 or 3) against each other only and let them have their fun on each other. Also duo in Blitz was the worst idea which we see when we look at ladder that players with broken speccs dominating with their alt chars and boosting people/selling rank by their high MMRS so remove this non sense feature from a game mode called "Solo Battlegrounds". If they want to play with their friends they can play Rated BGs. And now some people will say this is MMORPG, what can we do if you dont have friend etc etc and im totally cool with that, as i said let them play against each other only and let them see how fun this game that way...
The only reward I can think of is like... the honor level mounts and the marks of honor? I guess people who are bad at PvP might not care about challenge and they just want to get that stuff even if it's not fun.
You must remember, their pathetic egos are at risk. These people, that have no status irl.They need SOMETHING to make them feel good, about their miserable existence.
@@ermahgawd3889 I had the complete opposite experience in my region (winning streak of 30+ games as Alliance). During day 1 & 2 you had all of the hardcore Horde players queuing as Alliance and utterly destroying the remaining people on their side until they had full gear. After that they swapped back and Alliance had to face fully geared Horde players with only a handful of geared Alliance players that hitched a ride during day 1 & 2 (like myself).
imagine going with a 30man premade into a random bg. and then going "no, these players were meeting are to good. Lets drop the que". Ban every single one of them, making them loose their character, gold, achievments and honor level. They have no life anyways, they will come crawling back on new characters.
And this is why I quit PVP Blizzard needs to fix this ASAP if not I'm done with PVP for the rest of the expansion or in general cause this is unacceptable pre made groups have to go.
Yep, I spend 2.5 hours today just to get few games against premaids, I play in EU. it's so frustrating I'm actually not planning to continue subscription next month because it became too much
Is this a new thing? Back in Vanilla, when they changed the honor system from the ladder/rank to a straight up "buy gear with honor" system, we started using an Alterac Valley queue addon. (My memory is a bit fuzzy, but:) We could form a "raid" with the addon. All we had to do was have the battlemaster window open and the addon would all queue us at the same time. I would tell us when everyone's queue popped. If everyone's queue popped at once, we knew we were in the same AV. If only half of the queues popped, we knew we were going to be split so we dropped queue, waited two minute, and just queued again. When we all got in the same AV, we steamrolled it in 10 minutes, hitting all the objectives that gave honor (Balinda, Bunkers, then Van), leading to crazy amounts or honor per hour. It is hard for me to believe that in 20 years, people are just learning about addons allowing to exploit the queuing process
that would be oQueue created by tiny of Hydra. They were salty back then with that addon and they are still salty about the new addons doing basicly the same thing. Premades have been a thing since Classic/TBC.
meso from avm name is chris cole and he is a blizzard employee they aint changing anything sadly i forget his chan name its like mesostealthy or something like that its in his bio so im sure all the leaders are blizzard
This isn't new. This stuff has been going on forever in different ways. Not surprised they are continuing to developed addons to do this. I have even told devs directly about this unfortunately they probably don't have the power to do anything. This has ruined Epic BGs. There are multiple communities that do this kind of stuff. People have been screaming about this on the BG forums for years.
The leader of Alterac Valley Maniacs about to get the heck outta dodge lmao. Simple fix. Introduce a REALLY LONG Deserter buff with exponential returns after 1-2 or more bg afks. Give the deserter a maximum time penatly and give a daily cooldown to reduce the penalties that may have occurred in the past.
Ye, and not just dropping, they make a deal with other people to join opposite side, run on them and die, then leave. So many times ive seen 10+ people, doing absolute nonsense moves. They move in group, feed ranks, going on base without capping it, you get it, clearely playing to lose, and once the opponent gets adventage, they leave bg. What i want to say, those addons are real, and they are exploited much worse than its presented here
Found this after going down a rabbit hole trying to figure out why tf my BG experience has been consistently 40vs20~ in Epics. Now I know. The subreddit removed this post btw, thank you for sharing it in it's entirety so I can understand better. Will definitely be submitting reports for these addons.
Been communicating this to Blizzard for years. I first saw it when I started in Wrath, a friend tried to get me to do it but I accepted the queue they told me to drop. Discord and reduced number of players made the issue far worse than it's ever been. They can sync into regs as well but it's way less common. This is what new people see when they enter pvp for the 1st time.
I think this is just a presentation of what the addon is capable of, using normal BGS & Epic BGS as a template. This can, and most likely already is being used for things like Shuffle and BGBlitz.
I didn't realize random non rated BGs went this deep Its like someone taking steroids and ice bath recoveries to have an advantage at the local Friday night Happy Hour Cornhole down the block
This is why I quit last week. Imagine how sorry this company is, not a single word about this topic. Mind you that we’ve been complaining about this for a while now. Not one word…. Fuck em.
Blizzard should have removed Addons from the game a long time ago, especially those that track boss mechanics, auras, and abilities in PVP. And at the same time improve the information offered by the UI
They just need some system to allow approved addon's and not disallowed. Having addon's that organize your bags, add notes to maps, move your bars around are not cheating.
It'll never happen. Removing addon support will cause more people to leave and cancel their subscriptions which is something I doubt they want anytime soon.
@@theforgeryttv6449 Everyone would be happier with a game design where not 80% of our screens have to be addons and weakauras blasting air horns to make the perfect plays and to react for the swifty 1 shot I win buttons otherwise its a lose in a slower pace where you can keep track of things like on the good ol days where some mistakes were tolerable where as now you make one and its over. However its not going to happen anytime soon. Probably not for 1 or 2 more expansions at least. Blizzard needs 10 years to do anything positive with down syndrome devs. The only addon everyone should need is a fu gladius to track trinkets in pvp and maybe a DBM for pve. The learning curve is so big by now that even OG top players are giving up. I don't even want to mention new players.
If Blizzard Had braiN: Solution is there already (League) Had massive dodge problems Before You Get More time penalty with each dodge and Rating loss How hard is it?
I'm with Asmon. Add-ons should simply be disabled and banned, and if people really want certain features, Blizzard can implement them. This way abusive add-ons and features that degrade the experience for the community on the whole and in the long run can be avoided. Might even help with the botting situation.
What actually is permastuck/hardstuck. From the get go I sensed major manipulation in the blitz lobby. For all we know hardstuck actually means when you play there is a heck of a lot of manipulation going on that we're unaware of and we walk away feeling bad but are actually being robbed.
This thing is completely out of hand for 3 expansions now. We had threads over threads on EU forums of people exploiting the queue and using premades - which is only possible with help of an addon or addons. Blizzard never cared because it's a pvp issue and doesn't threaten their precious world first or m+ stuff.
Blizzard should change queues for regular BGs, epiq BGs and skirmishes. It should work in similar way to solo-. Start only when all players applied their participation. Also, there could be few sec delay between popups for defferent groups of players to avoid exploits by such addons.
@@nick11925 Such exploit existed always. Addons only simplify it: you don't need to stay in voice chat or message to everybody to inform about popups. So disabling api won't help. Delay will help, because they won't know if they have proc to the same BG or not. E.g. some groups get popups immediately and have to apply their participation in 10 sec, but others will get popups with delay of 11 sec.
I don't even care about winning or losing in bgs. I just want those even, tense matchups that are really fun. The 1450 vs 1455, the 2 flag cap vs 2 flag cap, the 50 vs 300 left and for some reason still winning even against the team with 300. Games where the matches even enough where if you were on the losing team you still had the chance to win and you're not against some overwhelming premade or whatever this que dodging thing is. Last couple of bgs and epic bgs (I play with a horde and alliance charc) I got matched with these people. Just did nothing. Just sat in at respawn, did nothing on both my horde and alliance charcs. So disappointing, just when I was getting back into doing bgs.
AVM is the worse offender. They only take against smaller premades they know they can beat or weak pug groups. They deserved to be highlighted. Other epic comms are in the same bed tho. 🤮
I dont understand why? what do they really gain from doing this....this has ruined the game. I quit after 20 years of playing, because pvp is just so negative, toxic and boring.. I got tired of constantly losing as a casual player.
I've come across one of these groups once, a full premade of russians, and we got our absolute shot pushed in that they were camping us at spawn. IN A RANDOM BG.
Once?? Today I literally had 3 BGs inal a raw against those Russian premaids. And I know for sure they are premaid because I see the same nicknames in the same teams
I have been screaming about this for a long time. I made a full report including screen shots and sent it off to blizzard. I was told that we all sign the same TOS and that was that. It broke my heart to see such disregard for these groups that cheat all day, everyday. Fair consequences should be: Ban and removal of community queuing, removal of all honor levels, and removal off all the addons that they use. Epic bgs are to be a fun casual game that anyone should feel comfortable stepping into. The amount of people I see leaving a game once they realize they are fighting a premade is insane. I dont blame these people for leaving but in the same it creates more of a mess. I hope this video reaches someone at Blizz and they finally see what is going on. Thank you for the video ♥
I loved BGs but I quit WoW because it is ridiculous that the other side is that well coordinated without being a premade, I couldn't stand losing almost all bgs
Forty of these players use addons like this or simply rely on Discord voice to synchronize their queues into Epic Battlegrounds, bypassing the 5-man group limit. Meanwhile, casual (honest) players are unable to join as a 40-man raid, putting them at a disadvantage. This gives the coordinated groups a significant edge to achieve 99% or higher win rate in Epic Battlegrounds. They do similar things in blitz and solo shuffle games too, that's exactly why you get tons of “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue.”
This isnt even just a little problem in BG blitz. I've been confused because the patters are very clear yet there are so many in the community who will jump on you and call you a noob just because you mention something like this. I'm at 2.8k rating atm, ques get cancelled constantly and once you do get in to those games its always one sided. Same with win trading, its unexplainable to me how me as a enh shaman can output more healing than a fully geared healer who are close to 2.5k + rating. You are simply not trying in that case, this have happened many games. its a pattern and its obvious at this point
they probably queue at the same time to get in the opposite teams and a healer griefs to boost the other player, atleast that's how eloboosting happens in other games
Something happened over the December holiday period where Alliance pretty much lost a large portion Epics and my Warlock was constantly targeted with a vengeance, I strongly suspected something was wrong. Zado has mainly had a hand in ruining the fun in Epics.
Yep, and during korraks revenge it was nonstop there which probably gave epic BG Q’s a bit of a break. It got to the point where if I saw them on my horde I just left the BG before it started, not gonna sit there and constantly let premades farm me
The worst thing about these stacked premades is how arrogant they are while steamrolling the pugs. They will emote & plant flags all the way to the graveyard. Zero respect.
I've had the realization that "The idea of playing WoW is better than actually playing WoW " since around Legion which is why I rarely play it beyond just solo leveling a char every blue moon. The community is way too unbearable (either extremely suck, horrible attitudes, or both) to deal with in any group content.
Add-ons allowed us to improve quality of life from the game interface. Now we started to exploit add-ons around the end of wotlk. When we started detecting casts off screen in pvp. You sould not have assistance playing the game against another player. Addons need to be stripped to its intended purpose. Quality of life improvments. Like consolidating all of your bag and bank spaces into one screen, Auction house add-ons, I'm not a big fan of the quest add-ons. You know I miss reading the quest and having to use context clues to decipher where to go or what to do. Now it's just point a to point b crap. I'm getting off topic.. The true skill of PVP in world of Warcraft is testing your skill versus another player. Add-Ons now kind of act like AI. They let you know when they're drinking, they let you know when they're casting on anyone, they let you know the status of their cooldowns, they tell you when and where to stand. In my opinion it kind of reduces The player down to just a rotation. It takes so much skill and awareness away from the game.
@@theforgeryttv6449 Yep, why would Blizzard fix anything when the people who complain about the insane number of cheaters, exploiters, griefers, botters and boosters are the same people who buy every microtransaction and promotional garbage that the company $hi+s out. Honestly, you'd be better off spending your 15$ elsewhere than giving it to Blizzard.
I don't see a problem at all - cancel the invitation to the BG - get a ban for 15 minutes, cancel or don't go to the 2nd invitation - get a ban for 3 hours, etc.
I hope Blizzard does something soon I want to like this game again but currently hate it due to this bullsheet, ** just wanted to add that they can honor farm those PvP Vicious Bloodstone Gems from the vendor and sell them on the AH on my server they are currently going for 3k gold each but a month or 2 back they were upwards of 7k each.
They don’t do it to make gold. The bloodstones actually encourage more casuals to play imho. With the costs of enchants and gearing alts these bloodstones were a great addition.
This shit has been going on for years. You just end up getting crushed every EBG and they do it all day and night. Real fun stuff. Ruthless Renegades community does this shit all the time.
I have been saying for YEARS how crazy it is that every pvp match is just one sided. 90% of bgs ques, one team just steam rolls every single time, while the other team struggles to gather people and make a come back and it happened way to often for it to be just "matchmaking luck". ADDON'S need to go, period. You do not need them. the only people who want addons, are the ones that abuse them and know they abuse them. Everyone else using them just heard some idiot on youtube say 'YOU GOTTA DOWNLOAD THIS ADDON' and because a majority of people cant think on their own, that is what they do. The entire concept of addons was just created to make it easier for people to abuse and make money off the game IRL and you can not convince me this is not true.
This is actually really dark horrible stuff I think something like this can affect a lot more people than you may realize and I think a lot of people are leaning towards moving on from Blizzard from the Marvel Rivals guys to The Path of Exile guys to the ashes of creation guys.
and the best part is they litteally removed the post on reddit aswell due to 'witch hutting' and 'calling out' Yea no the fucking reddit 'mods' are also in on this too what a genuine joke
This tool has also been used to grief in regular bgs. There is some sort of hidden matchmaking regarding honor lvls. If they trace someone with a high honor lvl on the opposite faction lot of the times if they solo q a random the majority of their teammates will be new or fresh.
just more grist for the "all add-ons should be banned" mill. been singing this tune for 20 years, ever since 2004 I have been playing WoW and I have HATED add-ons since the first time someone said "yo go to this website,download this thing, put it in this folder, and restart your game" what a bunch of f**king garbage imo
I don't think Blizz has any devs left that are up to the challenge of fixing this problem. Kotick said he was going to remove the fun from video game development, and so every dev that could leave (the skilled ones that could get hired elsewhere), did leave.
Currently, there are 3 major communities (AVM, DJL, and RR) that dodge and I am assuming it is they who reported many of these links including the reddit thread and had it taken down. Blizzard should be aware of this issue by now and I really hope they act. @Ven and dude who posted this - thank you.
You are making big assumptions. The above video is very one-sided and only shows how a small group is abusing this addon then generalizing that as though every group abuses in the same way. That addon can also be used to simply organize for epic bgs. And at the end of the day, what's wrong with organizing a group for a battleground that requires organization? I see nothing wrong with certain teams wanting to play together.
Unfortunately premades and especially synced premades in epic bgs are a huge problem for the past 15+ years. I mean look in the (EU) forums. These huge premades are daily there and they ruin the game for thousands and thousands of ppl and potential players just because some assholes want quick honorstomps and worthless wins for as little effort as possible. With or without addon btw this happens CONSTANTLY on EU servers and drives everyone away while Blizzard does nothing against it, I guess they dont see $$$ in it like they do in most pve content.
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
Now we know why.
Edit: For people missing the point, while this specific video expose of the addon is for ebgs, READ the forums/reddit thread on what the addon can do, so it isn't farfetched to think it is being used (or a version of it) in certain rated content, there is a REASON a lot of us blitz players see this happening 5, 6, 7 and up to 10 times or more in a row sometimes (it is comical), because most likely an addon like this is being used in rated settings, it would be naïve to think it isn't.
SINCE 2003.
i was thinking the same thing...smh
Bro just reading your comment makes me so mad. I hope they're going to get banned
ok but that doesn't ever happen in random bgs / epic bgs...
@user-cz4tk2vr9i that’s not what happens with bgs
I am 100% positive these types of things are also being used in blitz and shuffle.
"early and often" 😂😂
well, yeah, but the thing is most of the top players are sitting in Discord. They're all familiar with each other from arena/rbgs, so they duo and sync with others through voice. Once you get so high in MMR, it slows down because it's their whole clique queueing in that bracket.
@@iv9ryfor real?
100%
we would need a r1 player to confirm on this
This is why I stopped bothering to do BGs. I really loved BGs back in the day. These people literally stole fun.
I agree
I used to love healing them. But too many people that don't help when you are being dog piled by teams like this. It's it's not fun being steam rolled.
It's also not fun with steam rolls..the best matches are the ones where both teams are even and fighting to the last second for that final point
@Tuoni996 I remember the hard won, close victories.
Yeah I loved doing random BGs, but this kind of stuff just ruins it for me a lot.
@@Tuoni996 I still do, Mistweaver. You have to tell them, teach and explain. Ofc some are so arrogant and toxic they hate it when someone tries to give team advice or instruction. For instance I see this all the time, players guarding a base flag who stand right next to it making it so easy for a stealth CC click and cap, stand 50 feet away if you're comfortable with that, hide in a bush, mount up, he has to come CC you then run to the flag and start cap which takes some seconds, CC wears off you interrupt. Just saying that can get you pushback lol. To make a win sometimes if you have the knowledge you have to grab a team by the scruff of the neck and provide some leadership and just hope the people who joined spell team without an I in it and play like one. Same on healing, tell them you want at least 2 people throwing CC at those who are inevitably headed straight for you so you can heal the group.
Man, I remember when Wow used to be fun. Try hards have ruined this game
tryhards ruin everything.
I think these might be related to botting also
min maxing ruining our lives
@@T.R.75 this is different from just being a try hard... this is cheating. Nothing is wrong with wanting to be good or win. But this is honorless and trashy.
How do you make this about try hards? These are literal cheaters...
I literally don't understand the point in wanting to join a BG where you can completely steamroll the other team. For me, the fun comes from even match ups, having to clutch points, captures, kills etc... I've never understood the fun in games that are basically over before they've even started.
Faster gear collecting, so you can play content that has actual rewards. They aren't doing these bgs for fun.
meta gaming in a nutshell. have you watched how insanely dogsh** the new classic wow servers are? i feel like people are playing this WoW like it's a job, and not for fun anymore.
@@zerti86 its emergent gameplay. people with no skill will game the system to be in their favor for the least amount of effort. it happens more so in games that have been out for decades. its blizzards problem and as long as people still pay nothing will ever change. imho.
There is no fun when you play random and everyone else is gaming the system. Its not a matter of occasionally losing in a lopsided battle. Its near constant
It's because the players have been conditioned to play just for the rewards. People play entire modes just for rewards then quit when they get them. Blizzard created the problem themselves by promoting FOMO and basing so many things around rewards vendors and fillable bars.
Imagine being so impotent you have to skew BGs in your favor so much.
In a 20 year game, for no real reward, kek, and then everyone quit the game good one kek
@@TheKourage88 Name ONE single game with a real reward "Kek" that is annoying to read. Unless you are a professional or make it from streaming which is a small % AKA your logic is trash.
It's pathetic people. They lack any sort of personal honor. Low lifes.
@@Kanoog KEK
Wow pvpers are the most pathetic gamers, 40 man premades, literal cheats and spam reports to kick or ban someone from rated bg.
What's crazy is players in battlegrounds actually feel like something is rigged in the games these past few weeks, but we can't prove it. We tell ourselves that it must be in our head and premades are fake news xD
Only clueless people think it's all in their head. From my experience from being a WoW veteran at release after leaving EverQuest, i'ts pretty OBVIOUS when it's rigged.
It's really not that hard to prove, lol. You look at their roster, and most of the time, it has the same 10-15 players who are always on the same team. It's rare enough seeing 2 of the same players in a BG, but 10-15 of them, especially from the same/merged realms, isn't a coincidence.
this shit has been going on for a decade
Didn't notice anything strange in Europe.
Might explain why my team lost all points at the same time and the match in less than 10 seconds. That was suspicious and felt rigged.
When people say ban all addons, this is why.
Pls, ban all addons!
To be fair, if they banned addons, game difficulty would get lower which would be beneficial and more akin to Vanilla.
@@plasticbudgie I do not advocate for addons being banned at all. The ones highlighted in this video are completely horrendous and should be banned. But addons are so much more than combat related and I think thats what a lot of people don't think about when they say "ban all addons"
Anything combat related needs to be integrated into the game, such as the functions of WeakAuras to track buffs/debuffs. Otherwise, ANY addon that is combat related needs to be BANNED from the game.
literally nobody are talking about these addons when they say "ban all addons", people are for the most part talking about weakauras that scream at you when enemy cooldowns have been pressed, or if your healer is in cc. or something like a "MELD NOW" weakaura when things like coil/storm bolt are flying in the air towards you
This is the prime reason I stopped pvping. Random bgs used to be my favorite thing to do in wow, but sadly people ruined it.... Guess that's just what people enjoy these days, making things unplayable. Don't get how it could be even remotely fun to do. At this point blizz could just disable all addons and I'd be happy. Atleast it would force these people to be on voice coms to try to sync their queues.
If that happens, it cause even more people to quit WoW and Blizzard doesn't want more subscriptions being cancelled.
@@theforgeryttv6449 tbh if addons are such a crutch for you to stay afloat then i dont feel bad for you. I agree some addons should be made as ingame features but you cant convince me players need, dbm, weak auras, gtfo and tmw in the core game, or something like dps meters and gladius, its just stuff thats incredibly broken and feels like a must to have because its not against tos and for that reason id love for blizz to remove all addons from the game
Those people ruin epic BGs completely and keep saying on forum that it's fair game. Those addon users and community leaders and players should be permabanned for ruining whole bg part of the game for thousands of people
I was just looking at the data that thing shows on Vens screen. I run a few Epic per day depending on time, some days it is a waste of time. This probably explains why, these add ons. I agree permanent ban.
What's funny is that those players that say it's fair game also say to just get 39 others or make friends and do the same thing. Problem is, if Blizzard intended for 40 people to que up together instead of only 5, there would already an option in the game to que with 40... so it's clearly not "fair game". They also forget mention that if you do this, they will avoid your 40 man at all costs so they have no risk of losing. Perma ban for not just their current account but also any credit card or debit card that they have ever had on file.
Blizzard doesn't care. These people most likely are willing to shell out money to keep their subscriptions and would pay for $90 mounts.
Absolutely not are you insane ?
Ban these abusing add-on
Agree 100% ban. It's wild they can do this. It turns it from casual and fun to toxic.
High rated PvPers be like "who wants to win all the time" as they Q against 1800 players in solo shuffle on an alt.
Create a healer, queue for Solo Shuffle, then never take the invite. Rinse, Repeat. The more people who do it, the more hilarious it becomes.
I was in an IOC yesterday where we started the game 7 horde vs 38 alliance. Game was less than a minute from ending before we got enough backfills to cancel the auto end feature. Alliance already had the walls coming down before we had even numbers.
It is always IOC it seems.
Had a IOC too like this but it was 14 vs 40 I think. Was super confused why I was the ONLY healer and we had not a single tank, not to mention less then half our max group size. Guess I know why now. :(
i quit playing epics because i'm so sick and tired of these lopsided matches. the epic communities avm, djl, and rr are ruining the game for everyone. they dont want to play with "friends", they want free wins.
these epic bg premade losers have been ruining the game for literal years.
the forums have been flooded with epic bg premade topic for years
blizz dont gaf
Completely based comment ggs
@@mpark295 comment 43 minutes ago. your reply 45 minutes ago the time is not working today
@T.A.O-f9v lol wtff 😅
So someone went through the trouble of coding an addon that allows them to wuss out if the enemy is too strong. This is literally one of the most pathetic things I've seen in 30 years of multiplayer gaming.
mesostealthy is the ultimate coward
my man, this is only the tip of the iceberg. I dont know this youtuber but i saw this vid and i knew i just had to write some comments. Its clear to me that this Venruki also wasnt told the full story and what tools and addons are currently going around in the pvp community. I will not mention any names, neither will i share discords but what I will do is tell all of you that there are way bigger things that are way more game breaking than this beeing used by some of the top pvp guilds in the EU and russia (I dont have any contacts to the US/Asia personally, i just heard some things but cant confirm myself if they are true)
Not even suprised. The WoW community always manages to find new ways to be shitty. It's such a terrible and toxic environment and has been forever.
This isn't new though. This is been going on for 4 years plus, and they continue to develop more and more ways to make the abuse streamline. The BG forums have been screaming about this crap for years.
Just zoom in blizzcon crowd,disgusting in every possible way
@@Mhortai Yea, it really took off in DF. While they have been a thing since vanilla and I remember seeing them some on BC, they were never too much of a problem. Now you can see them multiple games in a row OR they leave the bg you're in and you have no chance of winning.
This is what pvp game play is, your best pvp gaming experience is making opposite players experience the worst.
Not surprising. You can't do normal dungeons without a toxic, sweaty try-hard breathing on your neck for not doing enough DPS, not healing enough, or pulling enough adds quickly as a tank. You can't even post WoW gameplay footage without getting toxic users leaving mass dislikes because you aren't playing they want you to. Even getting into mythic groups as a DPS is impossible to the point why even have such groups listed?
Streamers like Staysafe join AV with full pre-mades, and as soon as he doesn't like the way the game is going, he drops all 40 out of the game. Blizzard doesn't care about people ruining BGs, because there is never a punishment.
I know of a few players on moonguard who had been "claiming" about using an addon like this for blitz and win-trading, I never believed them until watching this video, so this is definitely isn't only being used in regulars.
Name them or no balls
why would you simply "not believe them"?
tf?
Friends and I have always loved doing random BGs together but lately have stopped because we just can't take getting GY farmed anymore. Not sure if its this add-on, or if just most high skill players have switched to alliance but the extremely lopsided match making in random BGs has made it not worth my valuable gaming time.
This was my experience after Pandaria. I stopped playing a lot after Pandaria, but every time I would come back, grind to level cap and play some BGs it was miserable. Pandaria was the last time it felt like I actually had fair games where I could actually make an impact. Gimme a standalone BG game with no gear, just stat and talent allocations. I don't want to have to cap arena points every week to stay relevant in random battlegrounds.
this has been happening for years except before the addon people just used Btags to dodge eachother. dodging in the RBG community has been a thing since RBGs first came out. this is how alot of the top rbgers keep their high W/L.
Premades in normals are the worst thing ever. It's annoying they won't play ranked as they want to steamroll people who can't win.
This has been happening in the non rated scene for years reaching its peak in early 2024. It’s been brought to light time and time again but nothing was ever done. Imagine my shock when solo que rbgs had this problem. Who could have predicted this? Color me surprised.
Blizzard needs to significantly limit the amount of functions/data available to PvP addons. Addons are negatively impacting the game. Not just talking about this stuff, but the bullhorns, when to kick etc...
the bullhorns? lmfao
@@brentwaits954 *THXSOUNDATMAXBUTLIKERADARBBBOBOSOSOSOBOBOBOOBOBOBO* STEALTHED PLAYER DETECED NEARBY Behind you. out of your field of vision, but luckily the add-on saw them while they were breifly detected So now you KNOW to pop your human racial. or some AOE.
If he's talking about DBM telling people not to stand in stuff with a n increibly loud basketball buzzer sound, that's basically required to play the game. not having it is almost griefing the other 39 people.
@ I never needed bullhorns, I don't know what you're talking about. How can you not know you're standing in shit. I can see if someone is a clicker but other than that I can't see how anyone with binds can't see that they're standing in a puddle or something
@@QueenFinli talking about PvP, fam…
This is what made me quit wow for good a few months ago. I loved the close matches, but the balance issues, extreme amount of cc, and premades made pvp unplayable.
why would you play wow just for the pvp lol?play actual pvp focused games like pvp only mmo's,or mobas that are actualy balanced,or shooters
@@deenman23 I never really cared for pve and only liked pvp.
@@deenman23 cuz pvp is still best in wow compared to other mmos. But we're not interested in pve at all. LOL?
@@gustanoid why do this to yourself?
@@deenman23 some ppl prefer playing vs real human minds instead of scripted npcs ya know. Ever guessed that?
Sheesh, this would explain *a lot* about queue times as of recently... This type of behavior has been steadily building since BFA, now it's a full blown operation. This is crazyyyy!
Leaving queue after queue pops should give deserter debuff.
Another issue is Battleground Commander being used for Blitz.
My friend posted a screenshot in our guild discord asking "what does this mean"?
Her partner who she had just met's Battleground Commander was sending messages in their 2 man party chat.
I had to explain to her what was going on and that it could get her banned.
On private servers they added ''Deserter'' to everyone not taking the bg queue pop.
I don't agree that just 1 failure to answer the que should give debuff. It should be repeated drops per hour. As little as 2 times per hour but 3 sounds best.
Sometimes you que and as soon as something else pops up, the que pops. For example, want to have your que pop? Go to the bathroom. And it's not like every single que is 10 minutes or more giving you time for bio. Backfilling has been extremely common due to que droppers and quitters.
Wild seeing Ruslan-Area52 on there, I’ve come across their premade more times than I want to remember. The games were completely one sided and you get steam rolled- people would leave as soon as they seen Ruslan on the opposing team just because you knew it was hopeless. So many people would leave off the jump, it back fills and they leave too because they see the state of the match. It’s gotten bad to a point that I hardly even pvp anymore and I’m glad people are shedding some light on these underground issues.
If i understand correctly Ruslan is complaining about one sidedness on the alliance side here. I've played a LOT of games with Ruslan and they often queue by themselves or with a few people. Not big premades. Premade community is much bigger on the alliance side, people roll alliance specifically for that.
@ oh wow that’s interesting, I’ve always been horde but rolled alliance for certain racials for warrior and any game against Ruslan, we were absolutely decimated and people would leave before the match even started. It was just a snowball of negative outcomes- especially if the queues were long. I don’t know much about Ruslan so maybe my remark was just ignorant but I can just say from experiences, whatever team they’re on- they dish out a beat down haha
ruslan is in avm and actively supports them dodging any game they know they cant win. don't stand up for that tool. he also has his own community.
@@courgette-bf6zn I kinda suspected that just from my run ins with Ruslan lobbies that something shady was going on, even if we did have a chance against them on the side of alliance - so many people would just leave right at the beginning of the match because we already knew the outcome but my logic was well, I could leave the game and get deserter or just take the 5 minute steamroll of an L (unless they wanted to just farm kills) but when you sit in queue for so long, just adding a deserter debuff to yourself was a lose lose so I just stuck around as frustrating and unenjoyable as it was and that’s just the whole point of why I like that Ven is helping pass this info along to the community too. I’m not hardcore at pvp by any means, got gladiator S4 of dragonflight and just 1800 to get the elite appearances but yea- since TWW, the battleground experience has tanked ☹️
Yep, been in comm with Rusian and many, many games. Usually not that many queuing same time and he might not even have a full group.
i checked that hulksmashson on armory hes honor level 1300 with 250k hks achiv. what they are doing is disgusting and i hope blizz sees this and perma bans them
epic, random, rated doesnt matter. Premades are killing this game by torturing people while they are having "fun" in their sick minds so the only solution is to match premades (perhaps bigger groups then 2 or 3) against each other only and let them have their fun on each other.
Also duo in Blitz was the worst idea which we see when we look at ladder that players with broken speccs dominating with their alt chars and boosting people/selling rank by their high MMRS so remove this non sense feature from a game mode called "Solo Battlegrounds". If they want to play with their friends they can play Rated BGs.
And now some people will say this is MMORPG, what can we do if you dont have friend etc etc and im totally cool with that, as i said let them play against each other only and let them see how fun this game that way...
epic bg players are actually unhinged... diving into the degeneracy of the guild drama that happens in these unranked modes is wild.
Wait.. People do this in regular BGs? Without any actual rewards???
All the time . I unsubbed today bc I was tired of facing obvious premades almost every match 😂
For some people, degenerate fun of stomping others is a reward of its own.
The only reward I can think of is like... the honor level mounts and the marks of honor? I guess people who are bad at PvP might not care about challenge and they just want to get that stuff even if it's not fun.
They couldn't care less about rewards or achievements. They're lowlives who just want to feel good about winning at anything even if it's unfair.
You must remember, their pathetic egos are at risk. These people, that have no status irl.They need SOMETHING to make them feel good, about their miserable existence.
I'm at like 80%+ lose rate when I go Horde. Alliance I can never lose... This addon may be prevelant among Alliance.
Way different experience, the Horde scum is responsible for this kind of foul play! It is coded in your blood. Look at your own Makgoras, honorless.
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@@BIuffwatcher same thing on Ali, sometimes i lose 2 random BGs in a row, sometimes win..
Sounds like me on alliance during DF launch. It would be days until winning a bg.
@@ermahgawd3889 I had the complete opposite experience in my region (winning streak of 30+ games as Alliance).
During day 1 & 2 you had all of the hardcore Horde players queuing as Alliance and utterly destroying the remaining people on their side until they had full gear. After that they swapped back and Alliance had to face fully geared Horde players with only a handful of geared Alliance players that hitched a ride during day 1 & 2 (like myself).
imagine going with a 30man premade into a random bg. and then going "no, these players were meeting are to good. Lets drop the que". Ban every single one of them, making them loose their character, gold, achievments and honor level. They have no life anyways, they will come crawling back on new characters.
i agree. these people need to be permabanned.
And this is why I quit PVP Blizzard needs to fix this ASAP if not I'm done with PVP for the rest of the expansion or in general cause this is unacceptable pre made groups have to go.
The last man standing on retail pvp, truly an inspiration.
Dont know how it is in US but in EU there is a huge wave of premade groups in random BGs! It is almost impossible to find a normal random group!
Yep, I spend 2.5 hours today just to get few games against premaids, I play in EU. it's so frustrating I'm actually not planning to continue subscription next month because it became too much
@6:10 Bullying. Some find it fun to bully others by dominating them.
because they cant manage to do it IRL ofc. ive yet to see a online bully who isnt a loser irl
it is sadistic behavior they get some type of arousal out of it
Is this a new thing? Back in Vanilla, when they changed the honor system from the ladder/rank to a straight up "buy gear with honor" system, we started using an Alterac Valley queue addon. (My memory is a bit fuzzy, but:) We could form a "raid" with the addon. All we had to do was have the battlemaster window open and the addon would all queue us at the same time. I would tell us when everyone's queue popped. If everyone's queue popped at once, we knew we were in the same AV. If only half of the queues popped, we knew we were going to be split so we dropped queue, waited two minute, and just queued again.
When we all got in the same AV, we steamrolled it in 10 minutes, hitting all the objectives that gave honor (Balinda, Bunkers, then Van), leading to crazy amounts or honor per hour.
It is hard for me to believe that in 20 years, people are just learning about addons allowing to exploit the queuing process
that would be oQueue created by tiny of Hydra. They were salty back then with that addon and they are still salty about the new addons doing basicly the same thing. Premades have been a thing since Classic/TBC.
It's sad to see people sharing your video on WoW forum is getting mass reported...
If Blizzard was smart in the slightest, they would be adding the reporter's IPs to a list right about now. We can dream.
meso from avm name is chris cole and he is a blizzard employee they aint changing anything sadly i forget his chan name its like mesostealthy or something like that its in his bio so im sure all the leaders are blizzard
Wasn't Ven one of the people saying this was a conspiracy that people who are bad made up to cope?
This isn't new. This stuff has been going on forever in different ways. Not surprised they are continuing to developed addons to do this. I have even told devs directly about this unfortunately they probably don't have the power to do anything. This has ruined Epic BGs. There are multiple communities that do this kind of stuff.
People have been screaming about this on the BG forums for years.
Devs like grouping up of players because they are socially sticky to the game.
Thats bc meso and a few of the mentioned people in that post are blizzard employees
This is why I don't pvp in any game, everyone cheats, and I refuse to play against them, so I don't play.
The leader of Alterac Valley Maniacs about to get the heck outta dodge lmao. Simple fix. Introduce a REALLY LONG Deserter buff with exponential returns after 1-2 or more bg afks. Give the deserter a maximum time penatly and give a daily cooldown to reduce the penalties that may have occurred in the past.
Ye, and not just dropping, they make a deal with other people to join opposite side, run on them and die, then leave. So many times ive seen 10+ people, doing absolute nonsense moves. They move in group, feed ranks, going on base without capping it, you get it, clearely playing to lose, and once the opponent gets adventage, they leave bg. What i want to say, those addons are real, and they are exploited much worse than its presented here
that would explain every random bg i go into seeming like we're up against an RBG practice team...
remember when video games were for having fun with friends sometimes especially when it was raining outside?
Found this after going down a rabbit hole trying to figure out why tf my BG experience has been consistently 40vs20~ in Epics. Now I know. The subreddit removed this post btw, thank you for sharing it in it's entirety so I can understand better. Will definitely be submitting reports for these addons.
Thanks for covering this!!!!! ❤
Ive played since the beta and this exact reason is why i quit. Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue.
Been communicating this to Blizzard for years. I first saw it when I started in Wrath, a friend tried to get me to do it but I accepted the queue they told me to drop. Discord and reduced number of players made the issue far worse than it's ever been. They can sync into regs as well but it's way less common. This is what new people see when they enter pvp for the 1st time.
I think this is just a presentation of what the addon is capable of, using normal BGS & Epic BGS as a template. This can, and most likely already is being used for things like Shuffle and BGBlitz.
I didn't realize random non rated BGs went this deep
Its like someone taking steroids and ice bath recoveries to have an advantage at the local Friday night Happy Hour Cornhole down the block
Thanks for posting, PvP has been un-enjoyable for a while now. I hope they finally stop pretending nothing is happening and do something about this.
This is why I quit last week. Imagine how sorry this company is, not a single word about this topic. Mind you that we’ve been complaining about this for a while now. Not one word…. Fuck em.
Blizzard should have removed Addons from the game a long time ago, especially those that track boss mechanics, auras, and abilities in PVP. And at the same time improve the information offered by the UI
Dude they implement the visible swirls after 20years.
They just need some system to allow approved addon's and not disallowed. Having addon's that organize your bags, add notes to maps, move your bars around are not cheating.
It'll never happen. Removing addon support will cause more people to leave and cancel their subscriptions which is something I doubt they want anytime soon.
@@theforgeryttv6449 Everyone would be happier with a game design where not 80% of our screens have to be addons and weakauras blasting air horns to make the perfect plays and to react for the swifty 1 shot I win buttons otherwise its a lose in a slower pace where you can keep track of things like on the good ol days where some mistakes were tolerable where as now you make one and its over. However its not going to happen anytime soon. Probably not for 1 or 2 more expansions at least. Blizzard needs 10 years to do anything positive with down syndrome devs. The only addon everyone should need is a fu gladius to track trinkets in pvp and maybe a DBM for pve. The learning curve is so big by now that even OG top players are giving up. I don't even want to mention new players.
They lose everyone by having addons tbh
I'm more angry at blizzard for letting this happen than the players actually using it.
Yea this plus que times. Half the reason we quit playing a few months ago...
Been complaining about this crap for years on the forums. Blizzard ignore it.
If Blizzard Had braiN: Solution is there already (League) Had massive dodge problems Before You Get More time penalty with each dodge and Rating loss How hard is it?
I'm with Asmon. Add-ons should simply be disabled and banned, and if people really want certain features, Blizzard can implement them. This way abusive add-ons and features that degrade the experience for the community on the whole and in the long run can be avoided. Might even help with the botting situation.
the last 2 weeks in epic bg's it felt like we were playing nothing but premades. It made stop queuing for epic bgs as Alliance.
Every BG is full of premades
This is what is killing PVP, Permastuck 1600 players who think they're good because they sync vs randoms.
What actually is permastuck/hardstuck. From the get go I sensed major manipulation in the blitz lobby. For all we know hardstuck actually means when you play there is a heck of a lot of manipulation going on that we're unaware of and we walk away feeling bad but are actually being robbed.
1800 hard stuck we hit 2k and 2.2k team's ang get wrecked@@musicilike69
At least they are playing the game
This thing is completely out of hand for 3 expansions now. We had threads over threads on EU forums of people exploiting the queue and using premades - which is only possible with help of an addon or addons. Blizzard never cared because it's a pvp issue and doesn't threaten their precious world first or m+ stuff.
Blizzard should change queues for regular BGs, epiq BGs and skirmishes. It should work in similar way to solo-. Start only when all players applied their participation.
Also, there could be few sec delay between popups for defferent groups of players to avoid exploits by such addons.
Also that ☝
or just remove api and addons
@@nick11925 Such exploit existed always. Addons only simplify it: you don't need to stay in voice chat or message to everybody to inform about popups. So disabling api won't help. Delay will help, because they won't know if they have proc to the same BG or not.
E.g. some groups get popups immediately and have to apply their participation in 10 sec, but others will get popups with delay of 11 sec.
There are many ways to do that and blizzard know how to do it. They just choose to ignore this problem which is known for months
I don't even care about winning or losing in bgs. I just want those even, tense matchups that are really fun. The 1450 vs 1455, the 2 flag cap vs 2 flag cap, the 50 vs 300 left and for some reason still winning even against the team with 300. Games where the matches even enough where if you were on the losing team you still had the chance to win and you're not against some overwhelming premade or whatever this que dodging thing is. Last couple of bgs and epic bgs (I play with a horde and alliance charc) I got matched with these people. Just did nothing. Just sat in at respawn, did nothing on both my horde and alliance charcs. So disappointing, just when I was getting back into doing bgs.
AVM is the worse offender. They only take against smaller premades they know they can beat or weak pug groups. They deserved to be highlighted. Other epic comms are in the same bed tho. 🤮
I dont understand why? what do they really gain from doing this....this has ruined the game. I quit after 20 years of playing, because pvp is just so negative, toxic and boring.. I got tired of constantly losing as a casual player.
Diddnt Ven not believe this stuff was happening two months ago?
I've come across one of these groups once, a full premade of russians, and we got our absolute shot pushed in that they were camping us at spawn. IN A RANDOM BG.
Once?? Today I literally had 3 BGs inal a raw against those Russian premaids. And I know for sure they are premaid because I see the same nicknames in the same teams
I have been screaming about this for a long time. I made a full report including screen shots and sent it off to blizzard. I was told that we all sign the same TOS and that was that. It broke my heart to see such disregard for these groups that cheat all day, everyday. Fair consequences should be: Ban and removal of community queuing, removal of all honor levels, and removal off all the addons that they use. Epic bgs are to be a fun casual game that anyone should feel comfortable stepping into. The amount of people I see leaving a game once they realize they are fighting a premade is insane. I dont blame these people for leaving but in the same it creates more of a mess. I hope this video reaches someone at Blizz and they finally see what is going on. Thank you for the video ♥
I loved BGs but I quit WoW because it is ridiculous that the other side is that well coordinated without being a premade, I couldn't stand losing almost all bgs
Need to perma ban anyone using this
Forty of these players use addons like this or simply rely on Discord voice to synchronize their queues into Epic Battlegrounds, bypassing the 5-man group limit. Meanwhile, casual (honest) players are unable to join as a 40-man raid, putting them at a disadvantage. This gives the coordinated groups a significant edge to achieve 99% or higher win rate in Epic Battlegrounds. They do similar things in blitz and solo shuffle games too, that's exactly why you get tons of “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue.”
This isnt even just a little problem in BG blitz. I've been confused because the patters are very clear yet there are so many in the community who will jump on you and call you a noob just because you mention something like this. I'm at 2.8k rating atm, ques get cancelled constantly and once you do get in to those games its always one sided. Same with win trading, its unexplainable to me how me as a enh shaman can output more healing than a fully geared healer who are close to 2.5k + rating. You are simply not trying in that case, this have happened many games. its a pattern and its obvious at this point
they probably queue at the same time to get in the opposite teams and a healer griefs to boost the other player, atleast that's how eloboosting happens in other games
I think it's more that, how are they circumventing team selection?
@@raiemie7365 I'm totally conviced this is the case
Something happened over the December holiday period where Alliance pretty much lost a large portion Epics and my Warlock was constantly targeted with a vengeance, I strongly suspected something was wrong. Zado has mainly had a hand in ruining the fun in Epics.
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Both these guys premade epic bgs all day everyday. 20-30 people.
Yep, and during korraks revenge it was nonstop there which probably gave epic BG Q’s a bit of a break. It got to the point where if I saw them on my horde I just left the BG before it started, not gonna sit there and constantly let premades farm me
yup, i instant leave when i see these losers on the other team. they're not even good players, they just have the numbers.
TFS rarely, if ever, has that many. That’s a small community.
Both factions are premading frequently. Alliance comms merc often too.
The worst thing about these stacked premades is how arrogant they are while steamrolling the pugs. They will emote & plant flags all the way to the graveyard. Zero respect.
premade random BGs were bad enough. this is awful.
I've had the realization that "The idea of playing WoW is better than actually playing WoW " since around Legion which is why I rarely play it beyond just solo leveling a char every blue moon.
The community is way too unbearable (either extremely suck, horrible attitudes, or both) to deal with in any group content.
Private server is for the itching
You've described all addictive cravings.
Add-ons allowed us to improve quality of life from the game interface. Now we started to exploit add-ons around the end of wotlk. When we started detecting casts off screen in pvp. You sould not have assistance playing the game against another player. Addons need to be stripped to its intended purpose. Quality of life improvments. Like consolidating all of your bag and bank spaces into one screen, Auction house add-ons, I'm not a big fan of the quest add-ons. You know I miss reading the quest and having to use context clues to decipher where to go or what to do. Now it's just point a to point b crap. I'm getting off topic.. The true skill of PVP in world of Warcraft is testing your skill versus another player. Add-Ons now kind of act like AI. They let you know when they're drinking, they let you know when they're casting on anyone, they let you know the status of their cooldowns, they tell you when and where to stand. In my opinion it kind of reduces The player down to just a rotation. It takes so much skill and awareness away from the game.
Why am i not surprised at all.... Blizzard need to get the banhammer out here and deal out many perma bans...
They don't care, only $90 mounts. After all, the bots are having a wonderful time.
@@theforgeryttv6449 Yep, why would Blizzard fix anything when the people who complain about the insane number of cheaters, exploiters, griefers, botters and boosters are the same people who buy every microtransaction and promotional garbage that the company $hi+s out. Honestly, you'd be better off spending your 15$ elsewhere than giving it to Blizzard.
Excellent video and a shine of light in the plauge thats MURDERING random bgs at the moment.
they do the same in Solo Blitz
I just did my first 4 ebgs in a year (took a break). 3 were against premades, back to back. I'm not sure I even want to queue genuinely ever again.
Blizzard does not care about pvp, they haven`t in ages, they wont change. Game is slowly in a state of decay
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I don't see a problem at all - cancel the invitation to the BG - get a ban for 15 minutes, cancel or don't go to the 2nd invitation - get a ban for 3 hours, etc.
I hope Blizzard does something soon I want to like this game again but currently hate it due to this bullsheet, ** just wanted to add that they can honor farm those PvP Vicious Bloodstone Gems from the vendor and sell them on the AH on my server they are currently going for 3k gold each but a month or 2 back they were upwards of 7k each.
They don’t do it to make gold. The bloodstones actually encourage more casuals to play imho. With the costs of enchants and gearing alts these bloodstones were a great addition.
Why do I keep being surprised at how low people can sink playing this game.. Absolutely pathetic. Hope Blizz does something with this info.
This shit has been going on for years. You just end up getting crushed every EBG and they do it all day and night. Real fun stuff. Ruthless Renegades community does this shit all the time.
I have been saying for YEARS how crazy it is that every pvp match is just one sided. 90% of bgs ques, one team just steam rolls every single time, while the other team struggles to gather people and make a come back and it happened way to often for it to be just "matchmaking luck". ADDON'S need to go, period. You do not need them. the only people who want addons, are the ones that abuse them and know they abuse them. Everyone else using them just heard some idiot on youtube say 'YOU GOTTA DOWNLOAD THIS ADDON' and because a majority of people cant think on their own, that is what they do. The entire concept of addons was just created to make it easier for people to abuse and make money off the game IRL and you can not convince me this is not true.
just looked them up, they are all like 1300 rated players lol
Arw they one of those 1,4k arena tards who get 2.8k in soloq bgs and brag about it ?
Wait, looked who up?
This is actually really dark horrible stuff I think something like this can affect a lot more people than you may realize and I think a lot of people are leaning towards moving on from Blizzard from the Marvel Rivals guys to The Path of Exile guys to the ashes of creation guys.
and the best part is they litteally removed the post on reddit aswell due to 'witch hutting' and 'calling out' Yea no the fucking reddit 'mods' are also in on this too what a genuine joke
This tool has also been used to grief in regular bgs. There is some sort of hidden matchmaking regarding honor lvls. If they trace someone with a high honor lvl on the opposite faction lot of the times if they solo q a random the majority of their teammates will be new or fresh.
just more grist for the "all add-ons should be banned" mill. been singing this tune for 20 years, ever since 2004 I have been playing WoW and I have HATED add-ons since the first time someone said "yo go to this website,download this thing, put it in this folder, and restart your game"
what a bunch of f**king garbage imo
I don't think Blizz has any devs left that are up to the challenge of fixing this problem. Kotick said he was going to remove the fun from video game development, and so every dev that could leave (the skilled ones that could get hired elsewhere), did leave.
Savage Alliance Slayers?
How about… just banning all addons?
Currently, there are 3 major communities (AVM, DJL, and RR) that dodge and I am assuming it is they who reported many of these links including the reddit thread and had it taken down. Blizzard should be aware of this issue by now and I really hope they act. @Ven and dude who posted this - thank you.
Like how this dude only calls out the Horde communities. Fair and balanced opinion my bruh.
@@uniquehandlegoeshere RR is Alliance.
@@uniquehandlegoeshere AVM is Horde*. RR is alliance but also merc. DJL is Horde. This is not a faction issue. Bruh.
You are making big assumptions. The above video is very one-sided and only shows how a small group is abusing this addon then generalizing that as though every group abuses in the same way. That addon can also be used to simply organize for epic bgs. And at the end of the day, what's wrong with organizing a group for a battleground that requires organization? I see nothing wrong with certain teams wanting to play together.
@@LouisGuidetti AVM is definitely not alliance. And those groups only dodge one player: Oca
Unfortunately premades and especially synced premades in epic bgs are a huge problem for the past 15+ years. I mean look in the (EU) forums. These huge premades are daily there and they ruin the game for thousands and thousands of ppl and potential players just because some assholes want quick honorstomps and worthless wins for as little effort as possible. With or without addon btw this happens CONSTANTLY on EU servers and drives everyone away while Blizzard does nothing against it, I guess they dont see $$$ in it like they do in most pve content.