I test drove the Outlander PHEV recently and was so impressed by the overall package that I ordered one in the exact same spec as this review. The only downside is that it’s a 12 month wait here in Australia. That’s still better than the RAV4 Prime which is not available here at all.
I’ve had the weird opportunity to drive both. Then bought and Outlander. Yes the Toyota is faster. And I loved that. But after a while you realize the Outlander is more for “grown ups” that know you drive it normally far more than fast. The outlander is getting between 6.5 and 7.0 to 60 and honestly that’s fast enough. But it’s more comfortable, the seats are real leather and they’re shaped better. The suspension is tuned better. The tow rating is doubled with trailer brakes to 3500lbs. The RAV is 1500….. then it’s what you’d call “stupid things” that matter. The Outlander rear door closes in half the time. The seats have more adjustability. The steering feels better. The ride is better. The car Mitsu is rear biased and the Toyota is front biased and you can tell that rear biased is more fun. The torque on the Outlander is higher and this means more liveable acceleration rather than high spin whining from the Toyota. The gauges are better. The interface is better. And the “charge” mode on the Outlander will just run at 1000rpm WHILE STOPPED and charge the battery. Toyota needs to be moving. Do we need to talk warranty differences? It’s a major difference that means I won’t fix my Outlander for 8 years. Toyota is the standard 3, but yes the battery is 8 like Mitsu. But the rest isn’t. And do I need to say again that the Toyota ISNT REAL LEATHER. And in the summers it’s annoyingly sticky….. there’s more but yer done reading.
Thanks for the info. Considering the price difference and what you get on the Mitsu I feel that's quite a value. But Toyota has been making hybrid engines for a looooooong time. But if Mitsu is going to warranty their vehicles like that it's quite impressive.
I think i have this right: OL does not have homelink garage opener mirror nor over-air software updates. Do you miss either? Can the adult torture seat 3rd row be removed or do I need mechanic to do it? 3rd shld have been option PS. Toyota is not on my buy list
Correct on both. I wish it had the built in garage opener…. Over air updates to me is a good thing. I don’t like anyone having over air access to my car without my permission. That’s the start of insurance companies monitoring you all the time….. I don’t know about the extra row coming out. I haven’t looked and honestly haven’t even opened my third row. I guess I should just to inspect it. Honestly there’s enough room I haven’t cared.
I'd take the Outlander all day everyday it's a better overall car and it's more useful with lots of features plus it seats seven which makes it more versatile also the Outlander handles better, has a better AWD system being rear biased and looks better and has a way nicer interior and the best part is that it's a JDM which means it's built in Japan also Mitsubishi has been building PHEV's since 2013 and they don't have issues.
Fast charge DC, better road handling, best PHEV tech on the market, better digital dash display, heads up display, better quality interior, third row seats that can take kids and short adults. Brighter head lights, better camera with 360 view. faster tailgate, panoramic sun roof, better fuel economy, no CVT transmission, stiffer chassis, and later design. Will smoke the toyota on terrains, snow and gravel. You are welcome.
@Matthew it is on paper, but the prime is more hybrid oriented, so the engine comes on a lot more frequently. Where Mitsi PHEV is more EV oriented. And on long journeys, I SAVE the battery in the outlander and drive it on that mode I get around 5.5-6.5L/100km with passengers and luggages.
@Matthew SAVE mode. ICE will keep maintaining the battery at the level you select. but the vehicle still regenerates, so the extra that the battery is not using the computer will send that towards just Pure EV. So NO, it will still run a bit of pure EV.
I just bought an Outlander PHEV here in New Zealand. I take delivery in Sept. Very excited! I like it wayyy more than the Rav4 Prime...which they don't even offer here in NZ.
We shopped for a RAV4 Prime and ended up buying the 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV with SEL Premium package in white with black roof. The wait on a RAV4 Prime is 2-4 years with an average 10K dealer markup making it much more expensive than even the top trim Outlander. The Outlander is also available in several two color exterior paints. You might also have mentioned the difference in warranties with the Mitsubishi at 5 years and 100K miles vs the 3 year 36000 miles on the RAV4. No CVT on the Outlander. We've been really impressed with all the intelligent features on this amazing car. Here in Texas getting 45-48 miles on all electric range and we are not hypermiling it.
I ordered my rav 4 prime October 2021. They told me about a month ago not to expect it for another 5 years. I’ll probably cancel it and go with the outlander
We didn’t drive the Rav Prime but the Outlander was such a nice ride that we couldn’t help and love it. We got it the same day, they had 7 in the lot plus we got 7,500 rebate, it was a good deal.
I just bought an Outlander for my wife today....availablility is key....in my area Outlander is the only PHEV that you can actually just go down and buy where all the other manufacturers are taking deposits on an unknown delivery date and price
I bought my Outlander PHEV (SEL) 2 weeks ago - local dealer had 7 Outlander PHEVs on the lot. I got it for $1,200 UNDER MSRP. I have driven over 500 miles and still have almost half a tank of gas. I am plugging it in every night -- it is the perfect vehicle for my daily commute and weekend errands. And, it feels "luxurious" inside. If I take a longer drive, I will have no "range anxiety." ONE BIG NOTE: the owner's manual clearly states that the 3rd row is ONLY for people under 5' 3" -- I am frustrated by all the RUclips videos that do not share this critical information. I do not need a 3rd row, so I partially "fold" it. This opens up a HUGE, DEEP storage well. And, I can stack items on the folded 3rd row (I turned off the rear seat warning indicator). The RAV4 Prime may have better overall mpg, but the 18-month wait and $12,000 "dealer adjustment" are outrageous. Lastly, I get my home solar panels installed in 6 weeks. The Outlander PHEV is the PERFECT choice for me in 2023.
I brought the Outlander...great SUV, unique styling, lots of tech, quiet cabin, and the 3rd row comes in handy...and far better than the wife's Luxury SUV
With the Outlander you can actually set the ac whatever temperature you like directly through the app.. you can also do this without effecting range. Which in my opinion is much better than just preconditioning in the Rav prime as you can set or change Temperature. This is the case for most vehicles with preconditioning.. most unfortunately do not give you the temperature adjustment option just turn on..
RAV4 used to have that ability. I hate that they didn’t continue that feature into the new Rav4s. It’s such a nice feature in my 2010 RAV4. Upgrading to the Outlander this year.🎉
I think even though the Outlander costs more but ol sure with rebates itll be less than the Toyota. I'd take the Outlander just because it looks different.
I would go with Toyota RAV4 hands down no one can come close to the hybrid technology of Toyota. Plus the Reliability, resale value can’t go wrong with Toyota
If you're worried about resale, I doubt you'll keep it long enough to be an issue, but the Mitsubishi doesn't have a transmission at all and is basically just an electric vehicle with a generator. And from what I understand, the Toyota has an electric motor hooked up to a CVT transmission and some sort of complicated coupling mechanism to allow the motor to actually physically send power as well. I'm sure they'll both make it to 100k. No issues. They're both probably make it to 150k but the Toyota having more than three times as many mechanical parts to wear out means even with Toyota's reputation for quality but they're just way more things that can go wrong with it Compared to Mitsubishi's two electric motors and a generator strategy. I also don't think Mitsubishi gets enough credit for their quality. My wife had an 06 eclipse GT originally bought new by her grandpa then given to her mom, her oldest brother, middle brother, then eventually her.... We had to do some maintenance on it because her brothers didn't know brakes wore out and had war through the metal backing on the pads and we're literally stopping with the calipers against what was left of the rotors and It hadn't had an oil change in 40,000, mi along with being completely out of coolant for no telling how long due to a hole in the radiator. It got passed on to her youngest brother with 310,000 mi the dash had peeled up but we glued it back down and that's the only thing that went wrong with it. I had a 2004 outlander all-wheel drive, new box bought it with like 80k miles and gave it to my wife at 170k miles and then we got then my wife hit a concrete statue and ripped the front end off at around 220k, gave it to my mom who put a new control arm, wheel, bumper and headlight on it and drove it for, 30k without doing any maintenance, running out of coolant (damaged radiator) over heating it so bad it locked up.... multiple times, eventually abandoned it told my sister she could have it if she came got it (I put a new radiator in it for my sis and did basic fluid changes) It smokes a little bit now and burns like a quart of oil every 3,000 mi but my sis has it up to 340k and I figure as long as she doesn't run it out of oil again. There's no reason it shouldn't make it to 400 k before needing a rebuild (My mom also lost it in a river once among other things, so I honestly can't believe it's still runs at all. The only thing I would consider a weak point on it was the rear end bushings that hold the diff in place. I put in five sets before eventually putting in some polyurethane ones (which have like 170k on them now with no issues) Before getting the outlander my sis had a mirage decoupe (late '90s early 2000s) that she got for $100 because it wouldn't run. We took the oil pan off and scraped as much of the rubbery stuff out as we could before refilling it with diesel and letting it idle overnight a couple nights in a row. She apparently got it. It's first owner who managed to put 120k on the breaking oil (had never been serviced at all...ever) It sounded terrible and barely made any horsepower (sounded like loose change in the motor) but It made it past 200k before she got my old outlander and gave it away.
Mitsubishi came up with PHEV in 2013. Toyota none. The outlander is a true AWD with terrain, snow off road capabilities. Rav4 got stuck from just looking at it. The Outlander has the latest safety and tech, while Rav4 still in 2018 mode
I like the outlander and my wife and I are about two weeks away from getting our new GTP PHEV same colour as the one your testing. She can’t wait for it to get here. One thing do we need to put a #2charger in the garage or is the house hold 110 ok? She would be home overnight for 12hrs every night
You are correct.. The Outlander is tremendously easier to acquire.. You can also snag one under msrp over Toyota dealers that are charging an average of 10 to 12 k over and that’s after waiting 12 to 18 months.. Rav Prime steering was superb but Outlander won on literally everything else. We also found that the Rav prime was underperforming it’s estimated range while the Outlander by far exceeded its estimated range. I wouldn’t necessarily say ‘Did Mitsubishi beat Toyota at there own game” as Toyota released their first plug in 2012 and Mitsubishi 2013.. most people don’t realize that although Mitsubishi is a much smaller company, they have been making cars longer than Toyota.. Mitsubishi first car in 1917 and Toyota in 1936. And though Mitsubishi sells but a fraction of vehicles Mitsubishi was awarded 2023 U.S. vehicle Dependability beating out Toyota. Mitsubishi also won a perfect 10 out of 10 safety score for the Outlander. I would say they are both incredible vehicles that operate in very different ways. That being said the Outlander did indeed win overall hands down.
In your review, you said you managed 50 miles on Pure EV still with little left over. So, how many miles did you get from the Prime? Since you did mention that Rav4 has a better range.. The Dash display looked much more advanced in tech in that outlander, and the trunk closing looked much faster on the Outlander. Does the Rav4 have DC charging ? How do they perform against each other on the snow ? You spent most of your time on visual rather than the fact that the Outlander basically is better in almost every perspective, except it's not as powerful.
The Outlander has a 'save' mode so you can run the car on gas only and 'save' the battery for later. This is useful if you have a combination of hwy/city driving commute so you can 'save' the battery for the stop & go portion of your driving. The Rav4 does not have this function~ it will just run the hybrid mode until the battery is dead.
@evan leo no, it has save and charge modes. Charging is charging, but in save mode it works as HEV. Got 7-7.5 l per 100 today in save mode, and 10 11 l per 100 in charging mode. So, in save mode it works like non pluging hybrid that saves energy from braking and downhills, basically
I had to wait 7 months from when I order to delivery because I wanted the exact interior and exterior colour combo. I waited 18 months for the Tucson PHEV and finally gave up 2 weeks before I pick up my Outlander. There is no end date for waiting on the Tucson but the Outlander has features that the Tucson doesn't have and vice versa - such as cooled seats but Outlander has memory power front seats.
There's a reason why you can find Outlander available and at discounted prices. Even though is a nice vehicle that I would prefer over any domestic brand it does not compare to Toyota, especially Hybrid. Toyota mass produced the first Hybrid car back in 1997 coming to their 4th and 5th gen of Hybrid tech. While other automakers have 1 or 2 hybrid Toyota has its entire lineup either with a Hybrid variant or solely Hybrid. 2025 Camry, Venza, Crown and more. You can also have packages that add panoramic view monitor, panoramic roof, electronic rear view mirrors, ventilated seats among others for the Rav4 Prime. And RESALE VALUE. No other vehicle comes close. The Outlander PHEV is a great car that might be a little bit cheaper and easy to find, however the Rav4 Prime will be the smartest decision. Long term reliability, better resale value BY FAR, better fuel economy
Toyota does not build many Primes. It is not because of demand but rather supply issue's and they do not believe in EV. Toyota concedes this to Outlander.
I have the Rav4 prime 2023 and this vehicle is a beast! Super fast, strong and you really feel the power of the car. Even at 130mph the vehicle is very stable and responds quickly. The only problem that I see the the battery is too small. Just 40 miles of power that will drain super fast in Sport Mode, also the vehicle don't have cruise control and the software commands to search, interaction with you is very limited.
@@lorrainehinchliffe5371 do you have a source for the claim that the fuel economy is stated for 7 passengers, because I can't find anything of the sort in the EPA testing criteria. Besides, for a car that already weighs 2000kg, adding two children in the third row won't make a huge difference in fuel consumption. Based on my personal experience, it doesn't make a huge difference if there's one adult in the car, or two adults and two children. Things like the type of tires you have, the speed, the weather etc. have a much more significant impact on the fuel economy of a particular car. Also, if people want be driving the outlander fully loaded most of the time, they won't be driving the rav4 fully loaded most of the time either, so the rav4 will also use less fuel than rated. The huge 50% fuel economy difference will still be there.
Owning the outlander for over 6 month now. We get 4.7L/100 on long journeys and zero on short journeys. We can use DC charge, and the cars handling and ride is better. And I don't have to wait a century waiting for the boot to open and I can take extra passengers when it's needed.
Is the RAV4 Prime actually for sale here in Utah now, without markup over MSRP? (Ben says in the video at the end, 1.5 years out, not immediately available!)
@@CrumResearch The demand is so high almost no one has it in Stock. I’m on a waiting list since March and they are saying end of January 2023 - the dealership I’m working with claims no markup over msrp - I’m in the Buffalo,NY area There are dealerships that have the outlander in stock near me but not at the top trimline that I want.
Can’t get the Prime in NZ and Australia. Prime is a great vehicle. I have the RAV4 Adventure Hybrid. The new generation outlander is a very nice vehicle.
You mentioned that the outlander has a transition. It actually doesn't have a transition, it's direct drive just like an electric car. The engine is there only to charge the battery. And there are no driveshafts ether.
Regarding hybrid drive modes. Normal = Run in EV most of the time, ICE kicks in at acceleration and in cold weather, EV priority = Pure EV, even under acceleration and cold weather unless starting front window heating. Save = hold the State of charge in the battery, but runs like an HEV, which means at higher speed, ICE drives the front wheel and fill upp the battery a couple of km and then release it (in normal condition ca 1 km per 3 km). Usually it doesn't burn the charged energy uphills, where ICE is more effective. Charge = don't release the charged energy but keeps adding energy into the battery until you set it to normal or EV priority. My priority is fuel on highway and EV under or about 80 km/h. Serial hybrid mode. ICE only run the generator producing electricity to the battery which in turn runs all 4 wheels. The clutch in this mode turns on and off very often due to power needed. (Below 65 km I think it runs in this mode when battery is depleted or run in save mode at lower speed. Generally not in town where you want to priorities EV by adding charge before coming into town. I usually get around 0,68l/10 km mixed driving (mostly highway and 2:1 ways in Sweden) when driving about 250 km. Also get the same when towing (not caravan) same distance. Have run my 2020-2021 PHEV now about 40 000 km and in average I have 0,43 with the smaller 13,8 kWh battery. That includes several trips to the mountains in northern part of Sweden. No repair issues at all, so great car I think. I actually chose between RAV4 and Outlander when I purchased last time (my third Outlander PHEV). So that would be my choice again.
@@CrumResearch Actually the Rav 4 prime xse has a 1500 watt plug in the back, it also has a 6.6kwh charger that lets you charge it back up in in about 2.5 hours from an rv plug It also has a heat pump that lets you run pure electric more than a vehicle with out - I have not been able to find if the outlander has a heat pump
@@gizmopilot Excellent, nice to see this trend of 1500W AC outlets in both of these vehicles as well as in Rivian and I think even in the upcoming Silverado EV truck, we'll see. Others?
Outlander looks more attractive and more freshly designed, more pleasant to drive, very good warranty. Toyota a little boring looking although maybe as reliable and practical
From my search over 2022 of Rav4 of no avail because of demand, mark up & shortage. Rav4 Prime actually has the same interior configuration as Outlander Premium or Touring package as reviewed here assuming if you can find the unicorn Premium Package of Rav4 prime w Panoramic Sunroof & HUD. No Toyota dealers to date I came across the Western half of the states have less than $5k markup over MSRP; and they won't budge when they've got easily 50+ potential buyers on waitlist. With that in mind, equally speced/packaged Rav4 prime OTD would be around 65K where as this Outlander w equal specs comes out 56k here in Cali. If you calculate the annual cost of gasoline even at peak price, one can get an idea of how many year one will break even w the $9-10k difference depending on consumption. The difference would pay for gasoline cost, insurance or both for a few years. Hope this will keep Toyota dealers on their toes since 9-10k matters to the marketed group. To folks where $10k is pocket change, they may not be shopping for these IMO; they'd have a Lamborghini Crossover & Tesla X for flexing along w other toys and be ok w wrecking them & replaced like cheap toys the next day.
Just got my 2023 Rav4 prime XSE with Premium package yesterday. I had connections at Toyota help me out. Ordered it in late November. Total OTD was $53,513.19. Unicorn indeed! Thoroughly enjoying it since the car previous was a 2007 Ford Taurus with 187k+ miles (dealership gave me $300 trade in) that I've had since 2012
Thank you for producing this video so we can see some comparisons between PHEVs. At 9:00 you mentioned that on full charge you drove 50mi. That is 50 mi EV Range on a full charge. I wish you would have talked about that a bit more, since Mitsubishi is only advertising 38mi EV Range. What is the EV Range on the Toyota Rav 4? I would get the 2023 Outlander PHEV 20kWh GT Model
@@keyner111 sounds closer to reality. Many drivers in North America are now reporting 55 to 60 mi. (90 to 100km) in the USA and warmer weather. In Canada with Temps around -10'C they are get 65 to 75 kms (35 to 45 mi) with cabin heat on.
I will say I believe Ben is showing the weather package and not the premium package for the Rav4 Prime. The premium package also comes with rear heated seats, the memory functions on the drivers side, HUD display, and the panoramic moonroof. Just an fyi
really really wish you could get high trims without having to buy a "panoramic moon roof." do not care about staring out the roof of a car and I'd much rather have a) the extra inch or so of headroom, b) not having to pay for a giant piece of glass I'm never going to look through and c) just another thing that can break. they're like waterbeds in the 80s, everyone thinks they want one, then after they get one, they realize it's just a pain in the ass, way more complicated than they anticipated and not nearly worth the entertainment value that they supposedly add. for the love of god make the moon roof and the 3rd row of seats optional and you'll sell like 5 million of these things.
Availability has to be incorrect. I ordered my 2023 Rav4 Prime in November and I get it in a week. Could have had it mid December but it didn't have exact options I wanted.
The problem that i had testing the 2023 rav4 is that the reverse cam is shit.no sensor at the front the speaker doesnt have good bass the door handle is hard to hold on to specially when its windy outside i bought the 2019 outlander and it had everything that i wanted in a suv and also it was cheaper
Good luck if your power goes out at home when you need to charge. Better spend $$ for whole home generator with a Tesla. BTW, I detail cars and Tesla build quality sucks.
Looking at the MPGe of the 2 vehicles tells you a lot about how much better the Toyota system is than Mitsubishi's; the RAV4 Prime is about 30% more efficient which is massive. Not to mention the 3rd row seats in the Outlander are essentially unusable.
The Toyota does have a better fuel economy. But for both vehicles this is sort of a weird world. On BOTH of them, if you are a typical person with say a morning and after work commute, and you stay under 80km…. You may never use any fuel. The first 3 weeks of owning our Outlander we put 5X 44km trips a day to work and home, with a few trips for groceries etc. We didn’t use a 1/4 tank of gas in 660+km….. so that’s 14 litres for 660km…. Approx, or approx 2.12L/100km or 106mpg. The Toyota can also do this, and it’s what these vehicles are meant to do and why you would buy them. You get EV electric driving cost and still have a gas motor. For us that’s important in Saskatchewan when she hits -40C….. Full EV’s don’t cut it. Now for us that was in November when we got the car, and in the summer I suspect that may get better yet. And since my wife can plug in at work…. That’s even better. We like the vehicle. And we originally tried for a Rav4 Prime…. But they said 2 years. We bought an Outlander because you can’t get Rav4 Prime MPG unless you can get a Rav4 Prime. And I’m actually much happier with the vehicles like I said I got to drive a family members Prime for a while and it’s just not as upscale. When the Tacoma comes out as a Plug In….. that’ll be my next truck though!!
Mitsubishi grossly underwater the EPG of the Outlander PHEV. I have been driving my 2022 Outlander PHEV 13.8KWH and in the summer months I get an EV Range of between 55 and 60 kms or 32 to 36 mi on a full charge. Many ppl driving the 2023 Outlander PHEV 20kWh are reporting EV ranges of 90 to 100 kms or 54 to 60 mi on a full charge. Toyota Rev 4P only has a 13.8KWH Battery so ..... what do you think that means? Yep Mitsubishi advertised lowet than realistic EV Range. The dummies.
I test drove the Outlander PHEV recently and was so impressed by the overall package that I ordered one in the exact same spec as this review. The only downside is that it’s a 12 month wait here in Australia. That’s still better than the RAV4 Prime which is not available here at all.
I’ve had the weird opportunity to drive both. Then bought and Outlander. Yes the Toyota is faster. And I loved that. But after a while you realize the Outlander is more for “grown ups” that know you drive it normally far more than fast. The outlander is getting between 6.5 and 7.0 to 60 and honestly that’s fast enough. But it’s more comfortable, the seats are real leather and they’re shaped better. The suspension is tuned better. The tow rating is doubled with trailer brakes to 3500lbs. The RAV is 1500….. then it’s what you’d call “stupid things” that matter. The Outlander rear door closes in half the time. The seats have more adjustability. The steering feels better. The ride is better. The car Mitsu is rear biased and the Toyota is front biased and you can tell that rear biased is more fun. The torque on the Outlander is higher and this means more liveable acceleration rather than high spin whining from the Toyota. The gauges are better. The interface is better. And the “charge” mode on the Outlander will just run at 1000rpm WHILE STOPPED and charge the battery. Toyota needs to be moving. Do we need to talk warranty differences? It’s a major difference that means I won’t fix my Outlander for 8 years. Toyota is the standard 3, but yes the battery is 8 like Mitsu. But the rest isn’t. And do I need to say again that the Toyota ISNT REAL LEATHER. And in the summers it’s annoyingly sticky….. there’s more but yer done reading.
Thanks for the info. Considering the price difference and what you get on the Mitsu I feel that's quite a value. But Toyota has been making hybrid engines for a looooooong time. But if Mitsu is going to warranty their vehicles like that it's quite impressive.
Remember also….. Mitsu has been PHEVS far longer than Toyota. At least in NA. I don’t know if that’s true in Asia as well.
Outlander is the original (2013) and best selling PHEV SUV in the world. Plus AWC tech dating back to the 80’s.
I think i have this right: OL does not have homelink garage opener mirror nor over-air software updates. Do you miss either?
Can the adult torture seat 3rd row be removed or do I need mechanic to do it? 3rd shld have been option
PS. Toyota is not on my buy list
Correct on both. I wish it had the built in garage opener…. Over air updates to me is a good thing. I don’t like anyone having over air access to my car without my permission. That’s the start of insurance companies monitoring you all the time…..
I don’t know about the extra row coming out. I haven’t looked and honestly haven’t even opened my third row. I guess I should just to inspect it. Honestly there’s enough room I haven’t cared.
I'd take the Outlander all day everyday it's a better overall car and it's more useful with lots of features plus it seats seven which makes it more versatile also the Outlander handles better, has a better AWD system being rear biased and looks better and has a way nicer interior and the best part is that it's a JDM which means it's built in Japan also Mitsubishi has been building PHEV's since 2013 and they don't have issues.
Outlander price also is not exergerated. And they are available eg in my country.
Fast charge DC, better road handling, best PHEV tech on the market, better digital dash display, heads up display, better quality interior, third row seats that can take kids and short adults. Brighter head lights, better camera with 360 view. faster tailgate, panoramic sun roof, better fuel economy, no CVT transmission, stiffer chassis, and later design. Will smoke the toyota on terrains, snow and gravel.
You are welcome.
Lol Thank you. You are of course talking about the Outlander PHEV and I agree.
I agree with all, except isn’t the prime rated for better fuel economy?
@Matthew it is on paper, but the prime is more hybrid oriented, so the engine comes on a lot more frequently. Where Mitsi PHEV is more EV oriented. And on long journeys, I SAVE the battery in the outlander and drive it on that mode I get around 5.5-6.5L/100km with passengers and luggages.
@@davidyang577 I am still researching the outlander. In the save mode, it will not touch the EV Range and drive only with the ICE engine correct?
@Matthew SAVE mode. ICE will keep maintaining the battery at the level you select. but the vehicle still regenerates, so the extra that the battery is not using the computer will send that towards just Pure EV. So NO, it will still run a bit of pure EV.
I just bought an Outlander PHEV here in New Zealand. I take delivery in Sept. Very excited! I like it wayyy more than the Rav4 Prime...which they don't even offer here in NZ.
We shopped for a RAV4 Prime and ended up buying the 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV with SEL Premium package in white with black roof. The wait on a RAV4 Prime is 2-4 years with an average 10K dealer markup making it much more expensive than even the top trim Outlander. The Outlander is also available in several two color exterior paints. You might also have mentioned the difference in warranties with the Mitsubishi at 5 years and 100K miles vs the 3 year 36000 miles on the RAV4. No CVT on the Outlander. We've been really impressed with all the intelligent features on this amazing car. Here in Texas getting 45-48 miles on all electric range and we are not hypermiling it.
Imo..the outlander looks like a bad ass bull. The rav 4 looks like a cow
I ordered my rav 4 prime October 2021. They told me about a month ago not to expect it for another 5 years. I’ll probably cancel it and go with the outlander
We didn’t drive the Rav Prime but the Outlander was such a nice ride that we couldn’t help and love it. We got it the same day, they had 7 in the lot plus we got 7,500 rebate, it was a good deal.
You must have leased it.
By rebate you mean you got $7000 in cash or as a discount?
Yes, we leased it. 7,000 discount
I just bought the Outlander PHEV GT Noir Edition 2024. Can't wait to take delivery this Thursday.
I just bought an Outlander for my wife today....availablility is key....in my area Outlander is the only PHEV that you can actually just go down and buy where all the other manufacturers are taking deposits on an unknown delivery date and price
I'll pick the Mitsubishi Outlander because of the warranty, best experiences with the three diamonds brand
I bought my Outlander PHEV (SEL) 2 weeks ago - local dealer had 7 Outlander PHEVs on the lot. I got it for $1,200 UNDER MSRP. I have driven over 500 miles and still have almost half a tank of gas. I am plugging it in every night -- it is the perfect vehicle for my daily commute and weekend errands. And, it feels "luxurious" inside. If I take a longer drive, I will have no "range anxiety." ONE BIG NOTE: the owner's manual clearly states that the 3rd row is ONLY for people under 5' 3" -- I am frustrated by all the RUclips videos that do not share this critical information. I do not need a 3rd row, so I partially "fold" it. This opens up a HUGE, DEEP storage well. And, I can stack items on the folded 3rd row (I turned off the rear seat warning indicator). The RAV4 Prime may have better overall mpg, but the 18-month wait and $12,000 "dealer adjustment" are outrageous. Lastly, I get my home solar panels installed in 6 weeks. The Outlander PHEV is the PERFECT choice for me in 2023.
Curious - you had your solar panels installed about 3 months ago. Was it worth it? I am assuming though that you are using it to charge the vehicle?
@@Stu2366593 Yes and yes.
Glad that I will buy a fully loaded 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SEL Premium anyway.
I brought the Outlander...great SUV, unique styling, lots of tech, quiet cabin, and the 3rd row comes in handy...and far better than the wife's Luxury SUV
With the Outlander you can actually set the ac whatever temperature you like directly through the app.. you can also do this without effecting range. Which in my opinion is much better than just preconditioning in the Rav prime as you can set or change Temperature. This is the case for most vehicles with preconditioning.. most unfortunately do not give you the temperature adjustment option just turn on..
Comparing the back seats, you can slide it back and forth to adjust the legroom and space in the back
Most of these reviewers have no clue on the outlander except a quick drive and what's on paper. If only they knew
RAV4 used to have that ability. I hate that they didn’t continue that feature into the new Rav4s. It’s such a nice feature in my 2010 RAV4. Upgrading to the Outlander this year.🎉
That Outlander is sharp...looks like a luxury SUV.
The Rav 4 looks dorky 😂
I think even though the Outlander costs more but ol sure with rebates itll be less than the Toyota. I'd take the Outlander just because it looks different.
Really like the unique side-by-side comparison you did both in and out and you covered a lot of information in a nutshell great video!
I would go with Toyota RAV4 hands down no one can come close to the hybrid technology of Toyota. Plus the Reliability, resale value can’t go wrong with Toyota
All true but none in stock + over msrp. Mits 2nd gen PHEV is excellent, more available and more available at msrp.
If you're worried about resale, I doubt you'll keep it long enough to be an issue, but the Mitsubishi doesn't have a transmission at all and is basically just an electric vehicle with a generator. And from what I understand, the Toyota has an electric motor hooked up to a CVT transmission and some sort of complicated coupling mechanism to allow the motor to actually physically send power as well.
I'm sure they'll both make it to 100k. No issues. They're both probably make it to 150k but the Toyota having more than three times as many mechanical parts to wear out means even with Toyota's reputation for quality but they're just way more things that can go wrong with it
Compared to Mitsubishi's two electric motors and a generator strategy.
I also don't think Mitsubishi gets enough credit for their quality. My wife had an 06 eclipse GT originally bought new by her grandpa then given to her mom, her oldest brother, middle brother, then eventually her.... We had to do some maintenance on it because her brothers didn't know brakes wore out and had war through the metal backing on the pads and we're literally stopping with the calipers against what was left of the rotors and It hadn't had an oil change in 40,000, mi along with being completely out of coolant for no telling how long due to a hole in the radiator. It got passed on to her youngest brother with 310,000 mi the dash had peeled up but we glued it back down and that's the only thing that went wrong with it.
I had a 2004 outlander all-wheel drive, new box bought it with like 80k miles and gave it to my wife at 170k miles and then we got then my wife hit a concrete statue and ripped the front end off at around 220k, gave it to my mom who put a new control arm, wheel, bumper and headlight on it and drove it for, 30k without doing any maintenance, running out of coolant (damaged radiator) over heating it so bad it locked up.... multiple times, eventually abandoned it told my sister she could have it if she came got it (I put a new radiator in it for my sis and did basic fluid changes) It smokes a little bit now and burns like a quart of oil every 3,000 mi but my sis has it up to 340k and I figure as long as she doesn't run it out of oil again. There's no reason it shouldn't make it to 400 k before needing a rebuild (My mom also lost it in a river once among other things, so I honestly can't believe it's still runs at all. The only thing I would consider a weak point on it was the rear end bushings that hold the diff in place. I put in five sets before eventually putting in some polyurethane ones (which have like 170k on them now with no issues)
Before getting the outlander my sis had a mirage decoupe (late '90s early 2000s) that she got for $100 because it wouldn't run. We took the oil pan off and scraped as much of the rubbery stuff out as we could before refilling it with diesel and letting it idle overnight a couple nights in a row. She apparently got it. It's first owner who managed to put 120k on the breaking oil (had never been serviced at all...ever) It sounded terrible and barely made any horsepower (sounded like loose change in the motor) but It made it past 200k before she got my old outlander and gave it away.
Mitsubishi came up with PHEV in 2013. Toyota none.
The outlander is a true AWD with terrain, snow off road capabilities. Rav4 got stuck from just looking at it.
The Outlander has the latest safety and tech, while Rav4 still in 2018 mode
I like the outlander and my wife and I are about two weeks away from getting our new GTP PHEV same colour as the one your testing. She can’t wait for it to get here. One thing do we need to put a #2charger in the garage or is the house hold 110 ok? She would be home overnight for 12hrs every night
@Frank Hanes you can charge type 1 normal AC 10 amp, and it takes around 7-9hours to charge depending .
You are correct.. The Outlander is tremendously easier to acquire.. You can also snag one under msrp over Toyota dealers that are charging an average of 10 to 12 k over and that’s after waiting 12 to 18 months.. Rav Prime steering was superb but Outlander won on literally everything else. We also found that the Rav prime was underperforming it’s estimated range while the Outlander by far exceeded its estimated range. I wouldn’t necessarily say ‘Did Mitsubishi beat Toyota at there own game” as Toyota released their first plug in 2012 and Mitsubishi 2013.. most people don’t realize that although Mitsubishi is a much smaller company, they have been making cars longer than Toyota.. Mitsubishi first car in 1917 and Toyota in 1936. And though Mitsubishi sells but a fraction of vehicles Mitsubishi was awarded 2023 U.S. vehicle Dependability beating out Toyota. Mitsubishi also won a perfect 10 out of 10 safety score for the Outlander. I would say they are both incredible vehicles that operate in very different ways. That being said the Outlander did indeed win overall hands down.
In your review, you said you managed 50 miles on Pure EV still with little left over. So, how many miles did you get from the Prime? Since you did mention that Rav4 has a better range..
The Dash display looked much more advanced in tech in that outlander, and the trunk closing looked much faster on the Outlander.
Does the Rav4 have DC charging ?
How do they perform against each other on the snow ?
You spent most of your time on visual rather than the fact that the Outlander basically is better in almost every perspective, except it's not as powerful.
You can tell he is in favour of the RAV4 prime throughout the whole video even though the outlander clearly advances in many aspects.
The Outlander has a 'save' mode so you can run the car on gas only and 'save' the battery for later. This is useful if you have a combination of hwy/city driving commute so you can 'save' the battery for the stop & go portion of your driving. The Rav4 does not have this function~ it will just run the hybrid mode until the battery is dead.
Very handy to know .
That could be crucial to someone making a choice between one and the other .
Toyota does, it’s called charge mode
@evan leo no, it has save and charge modes. Charging is charging, but in save mode it works as HEV. Got 7-7.5 l per 100 today in save mode, and 10 11 l per 100 in charging mode. So, in save mode it works like non pluging hybrid that saves energy from braking and downhills, basically
@@artempavlov4599 I’m picking up the rav4 prime next Monday, I’ll let you know the details
@@evanleo7633 How long was a waiting time?
I had to wait 7 months from when I order to delivery because I wanted the exact interior and exterior colour combo. I waited 18 months for the Tucson PHEV and finally gave up 2 weeks before I pick up my Outlander. There is no end date for waiting on the Tucson but the Outlander has features that the Tucson doesn't have and vice versa - such as cooled seats but Outlander has memory power front seats.
The Outlander is the better-looking and better engine.
not true
In California (Bay Area) you can get ~2k off MSRP and dealers have 20+ on lots.
because they're not selling
There's a reason why you can find Outlander available and at discounted prices. Even though is a nice vehicle that I would prefer over any domestic brand it does not compare to Toyota, especially Hybrid. Toyota mass produced the first Hybrid car back in 1997 coming to their 4th and 5th gen of Hybrid tech. While other automakers have 1 or 2 hybrid Toyota has its entire lineup either with a Hybrid variant or solely Hybrid. 2025 Camry, Venza, Crown and more. You can also have packages that add panoramic view monitor, panoramic roof, electronic rear view mirrors, ventilated seats among others for the Rav4 Prime. And RESALE VALUE. No other vehicle comes close. The Outlander PHEV is a great car that might be a little bit cheaper and easy to find, however the Rav4 Prime will be the smartest decision. Long term reliability, better resale value BY FAR, better fuel economy
Toyota does not build many Primes. It is not because of demand but rather supply issue's and they do not believe in EV. Toyota concedes this to Outlander.
I want to konw the battery life of the outlander early models? Thanks
Outlander is beautiful but nothing beats the reliability of a Toyota. I’m conflicted 🙁
The outlander PHEV is very reliable as well and the warranty is better.
I have the Rav4 prime 2023 and this vehicle is a beast! Super fast, strong and you really feel the power of the car. Even at 130mph the vehicle is very stable and responds quickly. The only problem that I see the the battery is too small. Just 40 miles of power that will drain super fast in Sport Mode, also the vehicle don't have cruise control and the software commands to search, interaction with you is very limited.
The Outlander is a WAY nicer vehicle than the Rav 4. No contest.
Not really the same kind of car.
The outlander is a 7 seater and in hybrid mode uses 50% more gasoline than the rav4.
Actually it doesn’t , the rating is based on 7 passengers at all times.
I hardly think anyone much will be running it that way all the time.
@@lorrainehinchliffe5371 do you have a source for the claim that the fuel economy is stated for 7 passengers, because I can't find anything of the sort in the EPA testing criteria.
Besides, for a car that already weighs 2000kg, adding two children in the third row won't make a huge difference in fuel consumption.
Based on my personal experience, it doesn't make a huge difference if there's one adult in the car, or two adults and two children. Things like the type of tires you have, the speed, the weather etc. have a much more significant impact on the fuel economy of a particular car.
Also, if people want be driving the outlander fully loaded most of the time, they won't be driving the rav4 fully loaded most of the time either, so the rav4 will also use less fuel than rated. The huge 50% fuel economy difference will still be there.
Owning the outlander for over 6 month now. We get 4.7L/100 on long journeys and zero on short journeys. We can use DC charge, and the cars handling and ride is better. And I don't have to wait a century waiting for the boot to open and I can take extra passengers when it's needed.
I want to konw the battery life of the outlander early models? Thanks
I'd choose the Outlander PHEV. Seems more luxury, better AWD and is a seven-seater. The digital cockpit of the Rav4 Prime looks much worse.
not true.
Is it wise to get an outlander PHEV even though I don’t own a garage to plug in?
Better tech, better looking, BETTER WARRANTY, Better price, better towing, (kids size 3rd row), Better AWD system.
also, not a fair trim comparison
you're talking about the rav4 prime right?
Is the RAV4 Prime actually for sale here in Utah now, without markup over MSRP? (Ben says in the video at the end, 1.5 years out, not immediately available!)
You have to order one
@@BenHardyCars Why?
@@CrumResearch
The demand is so high almost no one has it in Stock. I’m on a waiting list since March and they are saying end of January 2023 - the dealership I’m working with claims no markup over msrp - I’m in the Buffalo,NY area
There are dealerships that have the outlander in stock near me but not at the top trimline that I want.
Can’t get the Prime in NZ and Australia. Prime is a great vehicle. I have the RAV4 Adventure Hybrid. The new generation outlander is a very nice vehicle.
They are really hard to find a in a lot of markets!
Outlander looks great. Toyota still go for very boring looking vehicles.
You mentioned that the outlander has a transition. It actually doesn't have a transition, it's direct drive just like an electric car. The engine is there only to charge the battery. And there are no driveshafts ether.
*transmission
Regarding hybrid drive modes. Normal = Run in EV most of the time, ICE kicks in at acceleration and in cold weather, EV priority = Pure EV, even under acceleration and cold weather unless starting front window heating. Save = hold the State of charge in the battery, but runs like an HEV, which means at higher speed, ICE drives the front wheel and fill upp the battery a couple of km and then release it (in normal condition ca 1 km per 3 km). Usually it doesn't burn the charged energy uphills, where ICE is more effective. Charge = don't release the charged energy but keeps adding energy into the battery until you set it to normal or EV priority. My priority is fuel on highway and EV under or about 80 km/h. Serial hybrid mode. ICE only run the generator producing electricity to the battery which in turn runs all 4 wheels. The clutch in this mode turns on and off very often due to power needed. (Below 65 km I think it runs in this mode when battery is depleted or run in save mode at lower speed. Generally not in town where you want to priorities EV by adding charge before coming into town. I usually get around 0,68l/10 km mixed driving (mostly highway and 2:1 ways in Sweden) when driving about 250 km. Also get the same when towing (not caravan) same distance. Have run my 2020-2021 PHEV now about 40 000 km and in average I have 0,43 with the smaller 13,8 kWh battery. That includes several trips to the mountains in northern part of Sweden. No repair issues at all, so great car I think. I actually chose between RAV4 and Outlander when I purchased last time (my third Outlander PHEV). So that would be my choice again.
Thank you for the info😊
Hard choice, on paper, the Mitsubishi is probably better.
good comparison indeed. Mitsubishi has 1500W AC outlets, which is something that neither RAV4 Prime nor Jeep 4xe (more PHEVs) vehicles offer.
@@CrumResearch
Actually the Rav 4 prime xse has a 1500 watt plug in the back, it also has a 6.6kwh charger that lets you charge it back up in in about 2.5 hours from an rv plug
It also has a heat pump that lets you run pure electric more than a vehicle with out - I have not been able to find if the outlander has a heat pump
@@gizmopilot Excellent, nice to see this trend of 1500W AC outlets in both of these vehicles as well as in Rivian and I think even in the upcoming Silverado EV truck, we'll see. Others?
@@gizmopilot the Outlander has a heat pump.
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I gonna perfur both of these vehicles Ben.
Outlander looks more attractive and more freshly designed, more pleasant to drive, very good warranty. Toyota a little boring looking although maybe as reliable and practical
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I'll choose the Mitsubishi Outlander over the overrated Toyota without a doubt
From my search over 2022 of Rav4 of no avail because of demand, mark up & shortage. Rav4 Prime actually has the same interior configuration as Outlander Premium or Touring package as reviewed here assuming if you can find the unicorn Premium Package of Rav4 prime w Panoramic Sunroof & HUD. No Toyota dealers to date I came across the Western half of the states have less than $5k markup over MSRP; and they won't budge when they've got easily 50+ potential buyers on waitlist. With that in mind, equally speced/packaged Rav4 prime OTD would be around 65K where as this Outlander w equal specs comes out 56k here in Cali. If you calculate the annual cost of gasoline even at peak price, one can get an idea of how many year one will break even w the $9-10k difference depending on consumption. The difference would pay for gasoline cost, insurance or both for a few years. Hope this will keep Toyota dealers on their toes since 9-10k matters to the marketed group. To folks where $10k is pocket change, they may not be shopping for these IMO; they'd have a Lamborghini Crossover & Tesla X for flexing along w other toys and be ok w wrecking them & replaced like cheap toys the next day.
Just got my 2023 Rav4 prime XSE with Premium package yesterday. I had connections at Toyota help me out. Ordered it in late November. Total OTD was $53,513.19. Unicorn indeed! Thoroughly enjoying it since the car previous was a 2007 Ford Taurus with 187k+ miles (dealership gave me $300 trade in) that I've had since 2012
Go Outlander
Waiting for my exceed tourer delivery next month in Sydney, Australia. I test drove it and love my first EV car.
I am pretty sure you didn't slide the rear seat back in the Outlander. There is way more legroom than what you showed in your shot of your feet.
Thank you for producing this video so we can see some comparisons between PHEVs.
At 9:00 you mentioned that on full charge you drove 50mi.
That is 50 mi EV Range on a full charge. I wish you would have talked about that a bit more, since Mitsubishi is only advertising 38mi EV Range.
What is the EV Range on the Toyota Rav 4?
I would get the 2023 Outlander PHEV 20kWh GT Model
EPA rates the Outlanders EV Range of 38 Miles, WLTP rates the Outlanders range around 45-50 Miles.
@@keyner111 sounds closer to reality.
Many drivers in North America are now reporting 55 to 60 mi. (90 to 100km) in the USA and warmer weather.
In Canada with Temps around -10'C they are get 65 to 75 kms (35 to 45 mi) with cabin heat on.
Outlander for sure
I will say I believe Ben is showing the weather package and not the premium package for the Rav4 Prime. The premium package also comes with rear heated seats, the memory functions on the drivers side, HUD display, and the panoramic moonroof. Just an fyi
for sure
Niceee!!!
do they have spare tire?
On 2023 outlander why no homelink mirror or over air software updates?
What is the wait time for the outlander phev in US market ?
No wait time in Northern California, All mitsubishi dealers have stock that I found. I just bought a white SE trim in the SF bay area
I placed an order last week (I live in the south where most dealers don’t stock EV) and they said 10-12 weeks.
is it reliable?
really really wish you could get high trims without having to buy a "panoramic moon roof." do not care about staring out the roof of a car and I'd much rather have a) the extra inch or so of headroom, b) not having to pay for a giant piece of glass I'm never going to look through and c) just another thing that can break. they're like waterbeds in the 80s, everyone thinks they want one, then after they get one, they realize it's just a pain in the ass, way more complicated than they anticipated and not nearly worth the entertainment value that they supposedly add. for the love of god make the moon roof and the 3rd row of seats optional and you'll sell like 5 million of these things.
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. If you’re concerned about head room, you get more head room with a panoramic sunroof.
Here's the number one reason to go for the outlander.....
You can get it.
Availability has to be incorrect. I ordered my 2023 Rav4 Prime in November and I get it in a week. Could have had it mid December but it didn't have exact options I wanted.
The problem that i had testing the 2023 rav4 is that the reverse cam is shit.no sensor at the front the speaker doesnt have good bass the door handle is hard to hold on to specially when its windy outside i bought the 2019 outlander and it had everything that i wanted in a suv and also it was cheaper
No one. Tesla Y for $55k (minus $7.5k tax return)
Good luck if your power goes out at home when you need to charge. Better spend $$ for whole home generator with a Tesla. BTW, I detail cars and Tesla build quality sucks.
I only see Granny's and Pop-Pops driving RAV4's.😂
Which one would you choose?
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RAV4 in 2024 in Canada costs way more than an Outlander
Looking at the MPGe of the 2 vehicles tells you a lot about how much better the Toyota system is than Mitsubishi's; the RAV4 Prime is about 30% more efficient which is massive. Not to mention the 3rd row seats in the Outlander are essentially unusable.
The Toyota does have a better fuel economy. But for both vehicles this is sort of a weird world. On BOTH of them, if you are a typical person with say a morning and after work commute, and you stay under 80km…. You may never use any fuel. The first 3 weeks of owning our Outlander we put 5X 44km trips a day to work and home, with a few trips for groceries etc. We didn’t use a 1/4 tank of gas in 660+km….. so that’s 14 litres for 660km…. Approx, or approx 2.12L/100km or 106mpg. The Toyota can also do this, and it’s what these vehicles are meant to do and why you would buy them. You get EV electric driving cost and still have a gas motor. For us that’s important in Saskatchewan when she hits -40C….. Full EV’s don’t cut it. Now for us that was in November when we got the car, and in the summer I suspect that may get better yet. And since my wife can plug in at work…. That’s even better. We like the vehicle. And we originally tried for a Rav4 Prime…. But they said 2 years. We bought an Outlander because you can’t get Rav4 Prime MPG unless you can get a Rav4 Prime. And I’m actually much happier with the vehicles like I said I got to drive a family members Prime for a while and it’s just not as upscale.
When the Tacoma comes out as a Plug In….. that’ll be my next truck though!!
Mitsubishi grossly underwater the EPG of the Outlander PHEV.
I have been driving my 2022 Outlander PHEV 13.8KWH and in the summer months I get an EV Range of between 55 and 60 kms or 32 to 36 mi on a full charge.
Many ppl driving the 2023 Outlander PHEV 20kWh are reporting EV ranges of 90 to 100 kms or 54 to 60 mi on a full charge.
Toyota Rev 4P only has a 13.8KWH Battery so ..... what do you think that means?
Yep Mitsubishi advertised lowet than realistic EV Range. The dummies.
@@andremcamara3120Toyota battery is 18kwh
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That Outlander has an ugly front. Toyota all the way.
I think there is definitely room to make the front end more attractive. It’s beautiful everywhere else
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