Fall of Sparta

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @KingsandGenerals
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      @aboubakrouladabdellah6611 3 месяца назад +4

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      @TKUltra971 3 месяца назад +5

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  • @tsarzamancorpdna
    @tsarzamancorpdna 4 месяца назад +1108

    The ghost of Xerxes seeing Sparta get turned into a Roman tourist trap:
    Nah that's crazy

    • @shadowborn1456
      @shadowborn1456 3 месяца назад +30

      Happy Persian and Roman moment

    • @HistoryWithD-n9y
      @HistoryWithD-n9y 3 месяца назад +58

      @@shadowborn1456 I think xerxes would've been saddened that his most formidable enemy was desecrated like this.

    • @shadowborn1456
      @shadowborn1456 3 месяца назад +1

      @@HistoryWithD-n9y Nah bro every body in this world care about their own people

    • @beoweasel
      @beoweasel 3 месяца назад +27

      @@shadowborn1456 I don't know if I'd say "Happy Persian" moment, as Sparta was essentially it's ally and attack dog among the Greek City States after the Peace of Antalcidas.

    • @kongming66
      @kongming66 3 месяца назад +12

      ​@@HistoryWithD-n9ySparta was far from Persia's most formidable enemy. No one outside Greece even attributed Thermopylae to the Spartans until much later. At best Agesilaus managed to ramp up the threat the Greek city states posed at the time by actually campaigning in Anatolia, but they resolved that in the end. The Athenians, Egyptians and especially the Scythians did much more damage to Persia than Sparta ever did.

  • @patri8489
    @patri8489 3 месяца назад +1072

    Spartans' way of life, culture and thinking is what made them fall. Their egoism of being "the supersoldiers" of their era, the belief that Sparta is perfect as it is, no reforms needed, that was their downfall. But that also is what made them legends until today and for centuries to come.

    • @curiositycloset2359
      @curiositycloset2359 3 месяца назад +98

      Kind of quite the opposite. Problem was that they did relax their practises, started using money etc. And too much bum fun

    • @ElBandito
      @ElBandito 3 месяца назад

      @@curiositycloset2359 Nah, the "Gays caused the downfall of civilization" non-sense is just that; nonsense.

    • @patri8489
      @patri8489 3 месяца назад +105

      @@curiositycloset2359they did because they were too secure because of past glory. Eventually they would use money. Corruption is nigh inevitable in any state in history

    • @takemeout5687
      @takemeout5687 3 месяца назад +43

      @@curiositycloset2359 they did hange but it was already too late. The reforms came decades late and they were already in their twilight years

    • @John-mh5pc
      @John-mh5pc 3 месяца назад +7

      Finnally the boy phuuking came to an end

  • @jedisith85
    @jedisith85 4 месяца назад +141

    I love these long version of any series. Thank You!

  • @petervoller3404
    @petervoller3404 3 месяца назад +226

    Hi all, I was one of the sriptwriters and researchers for this series, hope you enjoyed it! If you've got any questions or feedback for me, please do leave them below, I do my best to get around to all of them!
    ERRATA: The video says only women could inherit land, which was not the case, men could as well. I explain the problem more below:
    To focus on women for a bit, we first need to establish the idea that Spartiates each had a designated plot of land, a farmstead basically. In order to maintain rank as a Spartiate, each male Spartiate had to contribute a certain amount towards their communal mess. This is fine, in theory, because each Spartiate has a farmstead to supply the resources needed to keep their Spartiate status. The fact that women could inherit land is not, in and of itself, a problem (Roman women could and they got by just fine). The problem is that when combined with the laws that meant a Spartiate had to contribute to the mess. Imagine, for example, that you have a family of a mum, dad, a son and a daughter. If the son dies, then when the parents die, the land is likely to be inherited by the daughter. Now say that this daughter has two sons. Once she dies, the land is now going to have to be split two ways between the sons. So, the farmstead that was originally only for one Spartiate is now divided into two. This would still be the case though if it was a man passing land to his two sons. The point here is that the inheritance laws were crap from the start because it would inevitably result in land becoming more and more divided and Spartiates having smaller and smaller farmsteads.
    The real problem here is that men had to contribute to the mess or else lose their citizen status, while women did not. This means that Spartiate men were often being kicked out of the citizen ranks, while women weren't. Because only Spartan citizens could own land, this led to Spartan women owning a ton of land in Sparta. As more and more men lost their status, their little bits of land were being absorbed by the few rich Spartiates left, men and women. As a result, but the the 330s, for example, about 40% of land was owned by women. That's not the cause of the problem though, it's a *symptom* of the problem.
    To try and counter this, the Spartans took some pretty grim measures to try and ensure that women were having kids (husbands leasing them out to younger men to 'breed' and other nasty stuff). The video cites Doran saying that female emancipation leads to lower birth rates, which is true, but the problem is that women in Sparta were not that emancipated. By Greek standards, they did have some notable advantages over, say, Athenian women, but they were still subjected to laws and customs created by men that tried to control what they did with their bodies. The video does not explain this well and is flawed there.
    Obviously, the problem here is not women inheriting land (which is what Aristotle claimed) or them having rights, the problem is the archaic system that required male Spartans to produce a certain amount to be able to remain citizens. If you want a system where everyone has their own plot of land in order to give back to the state, then the only way to do that is to make sure that land is not inherited by ANYONE and is redistributed upon the death of a Spartiate. Or you need to revise the laws that say that for men to be citizens they need to contribute a certain amount to the mess. The fundamental flaw of Sparta was always it's gross inability to adapt and change the laws regarding citizen status, compounded by the inheritance laws.

    • @aimansafwan1997
      @aimansafwan1997 3 месяца назад +4

      Hi, long time non-member subscriber here. There has been a debate in the comments whether the modernization in Sparta could either potentially benefit or hinder the state of the fiercely isolated city-state in the long-term. What is your opinion on this?

    • @petervoller3404
      @petervoller3404 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@aimansafwan1997 Great question! In my opinion, and I stress this is only my take and that others might disagree, the thing that people are missing a little bit is that there are two ethos in conflict with each other in Sparta on the one hand, you have the desire to maintain some kind of an empire, on the other, a desire to keep the traditional values of Spartan society. These ideas are at loggerheads with each other; you can't simultaneously be inward focused with an idea of Spartan exceptionalism and distrust of outsiders, while simultaneously attempting to establish an empire over numerous states, all who different cultures, politics, etc. So, one of those ideas has to give. You can either keep the Empire and modernise your society, or you scrap the Empire and focus on internal issues.
      So, to answer the question: it *could* have benefitted Sparta if she really embraced the idea of abandoning isolationism and exceptionalism, but because they did not embrace those ideas, the modernisation efforts could never work because they clashed so starkly with traditional Spartan values. I suppose that a more dramatic way of saying it would be to say that the modernising could only really work if the Spartans effectively abandoned the idea of what it was to be Spartan.

    • @MalayArcher
      @MalayArcher 3 месяца назад +1

      @petervoller3404 hi im your #1 fan

    • @petervoller3404
      @petervoller3404 3 месяца назад +4

      @@MalayArcher mumsie is that you??

    • @maciek8172
      @maciek8172 3 месяца назад +4

      What happened to the helots after Sparta fell?

  • @Michael-kd1ho
    @Michael-kd1ho 3 месяца назад +148

    The Spartan king Agesilaus is considered both the most influential and the last truly great warrior king of Sparta, having reigned for roughly 40 years during Spartas' heyday and subsequent decline following the Peloponesian War. Ironically, he was a good friend of Xenophon - an Athenian - who wrote a history of his reign.
    It is to Xenophons' account that history attributes one of the most famous laconic phrases, supposedly said by Agesilaus during his campaign in Asia Minor, when he learned that the Persian satrap is bribing other Greek polises to war on Sparta - "I am driven from Asia by ten thousand archers." Persian coins had images of Median archers on them.

    • @user-McGiver
      @user-McGiver 3 месяца назад +8

      Xenophon was a traitor to the Athenians, an aristocrat always following totalitarian regimes, Persians, Spartans whoever... even his name means ''Foreign voice'' [ Xeni-phoni] in a way ancient Greek names were most likely ''nicknames'' describing a person's character...

    • @psychopomp7669
      @psychopomp7669 3 месяца назад +5

      I’d argue cleomenes is the final great/influential king. Agesilaus walked so Cleomenes could run.

  • @pingu4434
    @pingu4434 3 месяца назад +65

    It's really fascinating how Sparta, being a militaristic state, didn't seem bothered enough over centuries by how small their army got.

    • @Tiger74147
      @Tiger74147 Месяц назад +7

      Ultimately they would rather not exist than compromise their values. I can respect that, but they were such jerks I don't feel sorry for them.

    • @williameastman9044
      @williameastman9044 Месяц назад +1

      It was self fulfilling doom by attrition. By law they had to be warriors, but it required slave support, which was harder to enforce with fewer numbers. Thus they had to patrol more per capita and thus lowering the birth rate further.

  • @abcdef27669
    @abcdef27669 3 месяца назад +90

    "This city was famous for it's warriors... What happened here?!" - Alaric the Goth, during his campaign in Age of Empires II.

  • @sirunklydunk8861
    @sirunklydunk8861 4 месяца назад +540

    Don't feel bad for the man who dies in a blaze of glory, feel bad for the one who died with a whimper

    • @tripsaplenty1227
      @tripsaplenty1227 3 месяца назад +65

      Aww, I love the rhetoric but thinking about it for 2 seconds make me think I'd rather die peacefully with a whimper in old age than get stabbed to death at 17.

    • @rafaelduero6786
      @rafaelduero6786 3 месяца назад +6

      In the country of Greece, the Spartan warriors prevented the Persian empire from conquering Greece
      Macedonia in Greece was conquered by the Persian Empire

    • @KroiAlbanoiArbanon
      @KroiAlbanoiArbanon 3 месяца назад +8

      Don't feel bad for the chad who died in a blaze of glory. Feel bad for the virgin incel who died without ever hitting a score.

    • @shadowborn1456
      @shadowborn1456 3 месяца назад

      ​@@KroiAlbanoiArbanonso you call 4 billion men whimper and virgin incels now?

    • @ElBandito
      @ElBandito 3 месяца назад +19

      @@rafaelduero6786 Stop being silly. The Spartans didn't even show up in the pivotal Battle of Marathon.

  • @georgepatton93
    @georgepatton93 4 месяца назад +159

    The decline and fall of Sparta is the textbook examples of so many noteworthy scenarios. It showed how long term economy and social planning can affect a civilization, it showed how stagnation can affect a civilization, and it shows how a 3rd party, ie the Persians, can used a cluster fk of a mess in Greek and keep their enemies weak and divided, a scenario we see so many empires practice in the future, and we can also see how a during a fall, a civilization like Sparta can still have some chances to change and recover, but it required too many things going right for it, but credits to the Sparta that they at least try to adapt, they were just becoming a small fish fighting with other medium fishes in a small pond, and about to be swallowed up by a certain apex predator from the West

    • @freefall9832
      @freefall9832 3 месяца назад

      The rich took all the land and rescinded their own debt. Sparta was left with mercenaries and no citizens.

    • @JetFighters
      @JetFighters 3 месяца назад +10

      And we still haven't figured out how to beat economic stagnation or prevent it occurring.

    • @Kane9378
      @Kane9378 3 месяца назад +3

      well said.

    • @1998topornik
      @1998topornik 3 месяца назад

      Nice summary!

  • @DragonsAndDragons777
    @DragonsAndDragons777 3 месяца назад +15

    The plot twists are insane

  • @realtomic
    @realtomic 3 месяца назад +94

    “Come back with your shield or upon it” - Spartan Mother … definitely one of my favorite quotes, I remember back in the day it was featured in the original Rome Total War, and has stuck with me ever since.

    • @curiositycloset2359
      @curiositycloset2359 3 месяца назад

      @@realtomic look up Tyrtaeus' poem on losing his shield. Spartans aren't all that they are presented.

    • @jamesminter70
      @jamesminter70 3 месяца назад +1

      Yeah it’s another fake legend

    • @FHMER21
      @FHMER21 3 месяца назад +1

      You mean "300" lol

    • @kenon6968
      @kenon6968 3 месяца назад

      you should read all the laeconic saying

  • @beyondeconomics
    @beyondeconomics 3 месяца назад +197

    I can’t imagine the amount of work that went into the making of this video, and I am not even a third of the way through it.

    • @OriginsandFirsts-2024
      @OriginsandFirsts-2024 3 месяца назад +2

      Great efforts

    • @guitarbush05
      @guitarbush05 3 месяца назад +1

      Lots of AI went into making this video

    • @beyondeconomics
      @beyondeconomics 3 месяца назад

      @@guitarbush05 Can you blame them?

    • @petervoller3404
      @petervoller3404 3 месяца назад +8

      @@guitarbush05 I co-wrote the script and can assure you, no AI was used in creating it

    • @hfhd7889
      @hfhd7889 3 месяца назад

      @@petervoller3404 could you provide the works of the ancient sources used for the video?

  • @ArchonShon
    @ArchonShon 3 месяца назад +89

    Almost two hours!? The amount of work that went into this video must have been immense.

  • @OriginsandFirsts-2024
    @OriginsandFirsts-2024 3 месяца назад +174

    The fall of Sparta began with its defeat at the Battle of Leuctra in 371 BCE, which ended its military dominance in Greece. The liberation of the Messenian helots further weakened its economy and population. Although Sparta continued as a city-state, it never regained its former power, ultimately becoming a minor player in Greek affairs by the time of the Roman conquest.

    • @alteredbeast7145
      @alteredbeast7145 3 месяца назад +6

      Gaius Marius, one of the originators of the Legions, and heavy infantry in general, was inspired by both Alexander in the strayegic sense and the Spartans in the training of a professional standing army.

    • @pripri632
      @pripri632 3 месяца назад +1

      @AncientandModern At that time not existed something called "Graikia", even not before 1830 when Moscovian tsardom and their allies like bavarian king Otto created a new artificial creature in MOREA called "Hellada"...

    • @matthijs_de_ligt
      @matthijs_de_ligt 3 месяца назад

      Hellenes​@@pripri632

    • @curiositycloset2359
      @curiositycloset2359 3 месяца назад +1

      @@pripri632 o, I don't know. Greece was certainly considered an entity, of some sort, far earlier than that. I recall the holy roman emporer insulting Byzantium by referring to the emporer as greek rather than roman.

    • @pripri632
      @pripri632 3 месяца назад +1

      @@curiositycloset2359 At that time never had existed something called "Graikia", not before 1830 when the Moscovian tsardom and their allies like bavarian king Otto created a new artificial creature in MOREA called "Hellada"...
      In that area nowadays named "Graikia" (Greece engl.) at that time lived 12 different peoples, 12 different languages..
      After 1830 the head of the Orthodox Church in Constantino-poï (Constantinople engl.) they decided to use only that one dead byzantine language (koiné graikoï) which one existed only in religious clerical use.
      Imagine only that, if in same way now the head of Catholic Church in Vatican they will decide to use dead LATIN language over whole Italy !!!

  • @limmeh7881
    @limmeh7881 3 месяца назад +26

    There’s probably a civilisation out there that was badass, went out in a blaze of glory, and was forgotten.

    • @Tribecasoothsayer
      @Tribecasoothsayer 3 месяца назад +7

      Lots of em, probably

    • @Mittens-f2v
      @Mittens-f2v 3 месяца назад +4

      Yeah its a shame, although some historians and other great warriors might see their noble enemy remembered in the history books as it was part of their prestige to have emerged victorious , but as you say surely many who driven victors would have scrubbed some people's glory from the history books. People often have these notions about what they would like to do if they had a time traveling machine , if I got one trip where I could spectate one of these terrific battlefields oh I would die a happy happy man.

  • @razzaus1570
    @razzaus1570 3 месяца назад +123

    Everybody always says "this is sparta"
    But no one ever asks "how is sparta"

  • @ericbruce11
    @ericbruce11 4 месяца назад +42

    You guys are amazing! Thank you for this

  • @thomasrinschler6783
    @thomasrinschler6783 3 месяца назад +10

    Good to see some coverage of Epaminondas, even if just incidentally. It's almost criminal how one of the greatest military minds of Classical Greece gets so overlooked.

  • @captainroyalty904
    @captainroyalty904 3 месяца назад +17

    I would love to buy an army of those plushies, and surround myself with them as I sleep in the night. As my fluffy warriors watch my every flank as they struggle against the bugs, darkness, and other horrors of the night till the blessed sun arises. (Also awesome video as always, I would love to buy the plushies to support your channel, but I'm still a senior high school student)

  • @Resistmediasupression
    @Resistmediasupression 3 месяца назад +34

    Nothing's better than long full videos great work again

  • @MichaelSmith-ij2ut
    @MichaelSmith-ij2ut 3 месяца назад +53

    As a Lacedaemonian myself, I'm glad to see our story being told

    • @TheStoic-g6x
      @TheStoic-g6x 3 месяца назад +9

      Michael Smith? Something's wrong here...

    • @felixg4785
      @felixg4785 3 месяца назад +3

      Bs you are ottoman

    • @curiositycloset2359
      @curiositycloset2359 3 месяца назад

      @@TheStoic-g6x obvious fake name is obvious

    • @angusmatheson8906
      @angusmatheson8906 3 месяца назад

      As Phaanabarzus himself, I'm glad the story of my crushing of the spartan fleet was told.

    • @konstantinosmandalos7596
      @konstantinosmandalos7596 3 месяца назад +4

      @@felixg4785 There are no Ottomans any more, boy

  • @유튜브탐방하는사내
    @유튜브탐방하는사내 3 месяца назад +29

    I enjoyed watching this video, too! This is a Korean viewer who commented on the "How Did the Mongols Fight Other Mongols?" episode. Do you have any plans for the Anglo-Dutch war?

  • @profesorstevabakmaz4822
    @profesorstevabakmaz4822 3 месяца назад +25

    I would die for Total War game set in the golden age of ancient Greece...Amazing video!

    • @joevenespineli6389
      @joevenespineli6389 3 месяца назад +14

      Iirc there is a campaign mode set in the Peloponnesian Wars in Rome II, closest we'll get so far

    • @VasilisGak
      @VasilisGak 3 месяца назад +13

      It's called the "Wrath of Sparta" DLC, quite good actually

    • @williamyoung9401
      @williamyoung9401 3 месяца назад +3

      It exists. Sold separately, of course... 😓

    • @kevting4512
      @kevting4512 3 месяца назад +4

      Rome 2 and mods. You're welcome.

    • @matthijs_de_ligt
      @matthijs_de_ligt 3 месяца назад +2

      Macedonian empire

  • @joshuastanbery7680
    @joshuastanbery7680 4 месяца назад +44

    Hail! Kings and Generals

    • @williamyoung9401
      @williamyoung9401 3 месяца назад +2

      SPARTANS!!! PREPARE FOR HISTORY!!! 🏋💪

  • @dimamatat5548
    @dimamatat5548 3 месяца назад +13

    They turned the channel's logo, of all things, into a marketable plushie.

  • @thomasrinschler6783
    @thomasrinschler6783 3 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for making this excellent video K&G! Too often post-Peloponnesian War Greece is ignored (outside of Alexander of course), and it's always good to see some light shed on the period.

  • @JamieAsareZiegler
    @JamieAsareZiegler 3 месяца назад +22

    I just published an article about this on my Substack!
    "It’s Not Men Who Think About the Roman Empire that Concern Me-It’s Men Who Revere the Spartans".

    • @sustainableinsanity
      @sustainableinsanity 3 месяца назад +5

      They might be 🌈

    • @JamieAsareZiegler
      @JamieAsareZiegler 3 месяца назад +8

      @@MindstangleTell me you’re an incel without telling me you’re an incel.

    • @ethanetn
      @ethanetn 3 месяца назад

      F off and quit promoting yourself

    • @sologamer3122
      @sologamer3122 День назад

      Tell me you're a Karen without telling me you're a Karen. It's a random comment on the internet unintended to be taken seriously, lighten up.

  • @bigjim2times
    @bigjim2times 3 месяца назад +3

    I've watched this channel so much that I hear OffyD's voice in my head; narrating everything historical and fantasy-like that I have in mind.

  • @amfa42
    @amfa42 4 месяца назад +6

    TYVM! now I have something decent to watch while having Saturday breakfast 😂

  • @louneissen1603
    @louneissen1603 3 месяца назад +9

    Small detail, Philip II is shown with a scar on his left eye first and later on with a scar on his right eye.

  • @varun_MRG
    @varun_MRG 3 месяца назад +12

    38:29 Spears shall be shaken
    Shields shall be splintered

  • @Oxbowmars5103
    @Oxbowmars5103 3 месяца назад +5

    The antiquity videos on this channel are fire

  • @Eh-Mungu-Nguvu-Yetu-q8p
    @Eh-Mungu-Nguvu-Yetu-q8p 3 месяца назад +6

    its always a great day when you post a video

  • @Stallion-EC
    @Stallion-EC 3 месяца назад +15

    A video so nice gonna watch it twice. Then alot more later

  • @NewTheogony
    @NewTheogony 3 месяца назад

    We ordered our plushie and we're so excited! It's perfect for us. We can't wait to pose and play with it. Thank you so much for putting them on offer!

    • @matss5864
      @matss5864 3 месяца назад

      Congrats on endorsing a dictatorship, bad working conditions and a cheap, aggressive industry.

  • @flyershockey2004
    @flyershockey2004 3 месяца назад

    This is such a great channel, I love the content they put out and appreciate how much effort they put into there videos. This channel has honestly taught me so much about so many different eras of history.

  • @thefakerking51
    @thefakerking51 3 месяца назад +43

    Can you imagine how powerful Greece could have been if they had united culturally and not constantly took foreign money to fight each other? If they had supported Sparta against Persia they could have won Asia Minor. If they had not assassinated Alexander they could have became the Roman empire before Rome was ever in power. Instead they constantly sold eachother out.

    • @kingtryfon5702
      @kingtryfon5702 3 месяца назад

      yea greeks are described with civil wars during all their history starting from myceanean not united kingdoms to archaic greece that had every city autonomus to classical greece that saw the whole greece fighting to hellenistic greece that got fractured to powers like the ptolemaic seleucid macedonian pontian pergamese rhodian achaian kingdoms to roman greece which saw not really fighting at all to eastern roman greece that indeed had alot of civil wars even at the 1821 indepence war there was a civil war inside the revolution that could have ended it without the great powers intervencion

    • @dillinger1312
      @dillinger1312 3 месяца назад +11

      What about the civil war right after WWII ..? ... THATS the Classic greeks Just Being greeks moment

    • @BoxStudioExecutive
      @BoxStudioExecutive 3 месяца назад +9

      you may as well say that about every cultural group that existed

    • @user-McGiver
      @user-McGiver 3 месяца назад

      @@dillinger1312 Communism is still an international enemy...

    • @Rynewulf
      @Rynewulf 3 месяца назад +11

      @@thefakerking51 Sparta sided WITH Persia as many times as it fought it. In the aftermath of the Peloponnesian Wars one of the reasons Thebes and Corinth turned on them was because of their repeat diplomacy with Persia: including trying to get Persia to reinvade Greece in response to a recently beaten Sparta being unable to block the reformation of the Delian League.
      No one wanted to help them with their rebellions in Messenia or get them involved in Greek affairs again, because whenever they did they inevitably went running to the Persians for help- and even the Persians considered them beneath notice. Its telling that even by the time of Alexander, Macedon and the Greeks deliberately didnt bother asking for Spartan troops and easily crushed a Spartan anti-Macedon rebellion with garrison troops alone

  • @SuperStella1111
    @SuperStella1111 3 месяца назад +1

    Such a huge endeavour to make this. Thank you ❤

  • @user-McGiver
    @user-McGiver 3 месяца назад +6

    we Greeks feel better having to fight among ourselves than conquering others!
    we leave that to everyone else!
    That's what makes us feel unique... and keeps us trained and ready to face any attacker, domestic or foreign...

    • @016.kazinakibafjal2
      @016.kazinakibafjal2 2 месяца назад +1

      Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans beg to differ

    • @EM-tx3ly
      @EM-tx3ly Месяц назад

      Well till Philip the one eyed general and his blonde ambitious son Alexander united you lot by force
      But then again after Alexander’s death “To the Strongest “ made you guys split again

    • @Tom_Cruise_Missile
      @Tom_Cruise_Missile 12 дней назад

      (mostly domestic)

  • @The_MKUltra
    @The_MKUltra 3 месяца назад +1

    Recently read about Thebes and Epaminondas. Awesome work.

  • @KingsandGenerals
    @KingsandGenerals  3 месяца назад +6

    🎥Check out our series on the Punic Wars and Persian Wars on RUclips ruclips.net/channel/UCMmaBzfCCwZ2KqaBJjkj0fwjoin or patreon: www.patreon.com/kingsandgenerals

    • @crabked
      @crabked 3 месяца назад +1

      The Theban Sacred Band were not gay and I'd appreciate if you guys didn't help spread that jewish revisionism. Erases means beloved in an unsexual sense, they were not gay couples, just good friends. Gay lovers who bottomed were labeled kinaidos and weren't even considered human.

    • @sawhtoo6778
      @sawhtoo6778 28 дней назад

      This myth is too widespread.​@@crabked

  • @Fivepointlove
    @Fivepointlove 3 месяца назад +1

    Since oversimplified only uploads very blue moon. This is my new favorite history channel.

  • @RackEmUpButtercup9376
    @RackEmUpButtercup9376 3 месяца назад +22

    Now? You drop this now?! Gentlemen, I have a law exam tomorrow! Have you no shame?!

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  3 месяца назад +15

      Prepare for the exam, the video will be here. Good luck!

    • @RackEmUpButtercup9376
      @RackEmUpButtercup9376 3 месяца назад +8

      @@KingsandGenerals thank you 😁

    • @sologemeni
      @sologemeni 3 месяца назад +2

      @@KingsandGenerals GOATed response

    • @sologamer3122
      @sologamer3122 День назад

      Did you bring glory? (How'd it go)

  • @TheHistoryDiscovery
    @TheHistoryDiscovery 2 месяца назад

    Sparta is such a fascinating topic! It’s truly unfortunate to see how a powerful city like that gradually fell over time. This video really helped me understand that process better.

  • @meltingchicken
    @meltingchicken 3 месяца назад +6

    1 hour and 47 minutes let me get my popcorn 🍿

  • @classiclife7204
    @classiclife7204 3 месяца назад

    Another great video by this channel, which is about the only good "popular history" channel on RUclips. Thorough detail, scholarly perspective. 👍

  • @baz_alex3557
    @baz_alex3557 3 месяца назад +28

    Imagine how powerful the Greeks would be if they united and didn't kill eachother. Any capable system with good leaders and competent commanders would have done the same or even more than Alexander the Great.

    • @SlimeJime
      @SlimeJime 3 месяца назад

      wouldn't be greeks if they weren't killing each other over century-old goatherding disputes

    • @matthijs_de_ligt
      @matthijs_de_ligt 3 месяца назад +1

      Macedonian is ancient greek united greek with hellenic league (league of corinth)

    • @curiositycloset2359
      @curiositycloset2359 3 месяца назад

      Though, the machine of empire is in some way worse than the dynamic city states. City states that culturally had more impact globally than any empire (bar probably the real ancient ones).

    • @lettuceman9439
      @lettuceman9439 3 месяца назад +5

      I mean they did unify and was the only centralized european state in the middle ages under the Byzantine Empire, Orthodox Christian see Byzantium as their Ancient Greece but then again... the latins, turks and greeks happened

    • @curiositycloset2359
      @curiositycloset2359 3 месяца назад +3

      @@baz_alex3557 and remember, empires were considered an eastern, feminine structure, at this time. Practised by the slave people of Persia.

  • @Thsishb
    @Thsishb 3 месяца назад

    Amazing stuff keep up the good work I can see why these take ages to make especially the over hour episodes but I love watching them please never give up so much history to still be explored and told plus ur voice u are the David Attenborough of history 👍👌👏

  • @jaohonaxa
    @jaohonaxa 3 месяца назад +84

    Sparta might be the most romanticized culture of its era. Like everyone’s heard of their military skills, but fewer know about their massive slave population they routinely culled. Everyone’s heard of the last stand of the 300 as them defending all of Greece, but not as many know about how they dominated it after to the point where the word “tyrant” now has its modern connotation.
    They reaped what the sowed

    • @Xazamas
      @Xazamas 3 месяца назад

      Sparta defeated Athens in the Peloponnese War. Fast forward to modern day. Athens is the capital of Greece. Sparta is a pile of ruin, neglected by even the tourists.

    • @curiositycloset2359
      @curiositycloset2359 3 месяца назад +4

      Its true, and some people have never heard of slave morality

    • @ElBandito
      @ElBandito 3 месяца назад +7

      Meanwhile the much maligned Persian Empire did not practice slavery.

    • @MojoBonzo
      @MojoBonzo 3 месяца назад

      @@ElBandito no ofc they didnt... in fact they wanted to conquer everybody because they simply wanted to be multicultural... pretty much like alexander the leftist... they didnt kill people... they sent them to farms, where they met other people and had tons of fun and games... it is known

    • @dudeb.2740
      @dudeb.2740 3 месяца назад +15

      @@ElBandito wtf. Of course Persia practiced slavery too.

  • @xXsosotaXx
    @xXsosotaXx 2 дня назад

    The Battle of Nemea. Wow that’s truly mind blowing, even imagining what the battlefield was like back then. True warriors. On both sides!

  • @arunabandaranayake6407
    @arunabandaranayake6407 3 месяца назад +10

    Greatest historical documentry channel!

  • @TheTanSteele
    @TheTanSteele 3 месяца назад +1

    Comment just to help the algorithm. This channel is awesome!

  • @johnypsilantis2442
    @johnypsilantis2442 3 месяца назад +5

    Never before have so few men made such a huge impact on the world.

  • @Rogue_Centurion
    @Rogue_Centurion 3 месяца назад +1

    I think that the decline of Sparta is very well encapsulated in he historical fiction book , The Spartan Dagger, by Nicolas Guild. It’s set several decades after the end of the Peloponnesian War, and it brings in the culture of Sparta, its treatment of the Helots, and its foreign policies that led to its downfall at the hands of Epaminondas and Thebes. I recommend this book to anybody who wants a vivid description of the culture of the Ancient Greek city-states at the time.

  • @OfficerRhine8511
    @OfficerRhine8511 3 месяца назад +7

    Kings and generals are goats of history 🐐

  • @jessefisher1809
    @jessefisher1809 3 месяца назад +1

    Ooooh I'm so excited for this. I'll watch it tonight.

  • @inconemay1441
    @inconemay1441 3 месяца назад +8

    Thumbnail image goes hard

  • @87degreez
    @87degreez 3 месяца назад +1

    Can you do a video about Paeonia? It would be very interesting! Keep up with the good work, love your videos!

  • @sunnyinvladivostok
    @sunnyinvladivostok 3 месяца назад +8

    19:42 Can it be a Pyrrhic victory, if Pyrrhus of Epirus wasn't even born yet?? :)

    • @ikballalli5539
      @ikballalli5539 3 месяца назад +1

      😅

    • @sunnyinvladivostok
      @sunnyinvladivostok 3 месяца назад +1

      @@ikballalli5539 glad one person got it :) cheers mate

    • @curiositycloset2359
      @curiositycloset2359 3 месяца назад

      Far better to use pyrrhic anachronistically than all the conts retroactively projecting their morality, thinking they are gooder than the spartans

  • @juxta4183
    @juxta4183 3 месяца назад +1

    such a great channel , really sparked my interest in history, thanks for that!

  • @The_Hardtimer
    @The_Hardtimer 3 месяца назад +7

    Hey Kings and Generals! Awesome vid, you must have put in a lot of hard work and effort into making this, and I'm truly glad for your entertaining and educative videos. Like seriously, RUclips could do so much better with people like you around! Btw, was wondering if you could do a video on the Battle of Changping during the Warring States period, it is also sometimes considered the ''bloodiest'' battle of antiquity because of the sheer number of deaths and casualties:)

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  3 месяца назад +4

      Thanks and noted!

    • @williamyoung9401
      @williamyoung9401 3 месяца назад +1

      Yeah, honestly the whole reign of the first Chinese emperor who was addicted to mercury would be fun to watch. 👍

    • @The_Hardtimer
      @The_Hardtimer 3 месяца назад +1

      @@KingsandGenerals Yaaay!! Would love to see a video on that 😄♥

    • @The_Hardtimer
      @The_Hardtimer 3 месяца назад

      @@williamyoung9401 Agreed! The Warring States is also a really infamous period of time in China as well, other than three kingdoms :D

  • @AbhyudayaSinh
    @AbhyudayaSinh 3 месяца назад +1

    Very informative❤❤❤
    Love these long format videos✨✨

  • @simofaouzi750
    @simofaouzi750 3 месяца назад

    After becoming a member this month i think this is the only decision i will never regret I've been a long time fan but never commited to it fully as a member but now am full on with you here and i love it

  • @MrKconnell1
    @MrKconnell1 3 месяца назад +1

    THIS IS SPARTA! Awesome work.

  • @coniston3106
    @coniston3106 3 месяца назад +15

    A nearly 2-hour documentary by Kings amd Generals? Let's fucking go

  • @ArenTvUa
    @ArenTvUa 3 месяца назад

    One of the greatest channel in RUclips, when I'll be able, I would surely become a youtube member, the amount of work, effort and everything put into this masterpiece is amazing, thank you for yor work K&G

  • @sahinyilmaz6331
    @sahinyilmaz6331 3 месяца назад +2

    Great video good job once again ❤

  • @Atipaj
    @Atipaj 3 месяца назад +1

    Wow! Absolutely brilliant video!!

  • @mitsakos4727
    @mitsakos4727 3 месяца назад +8

    As an Athenian, I would rather to see a united Greece at those times under Spartan system like Rome did to Italy than these stupid city states. Sparta was lacking at reforms and adaptations.

  • @nick.v.g
    @nick.v.g 3 месяца назад +1

    nice a new long episode thank you for that always like those more then the shorter ones.

  • @jimbobbob9063
    @jimbobbob9063 3 месяца назад +2

    Love
    Your videos. Thank you

  • @wahahahful
    @wahahahful 3 месяца назад +1

    What an amazing video, great job.

  • @brucepoole8552
    @brucepoole8552 3 месяца назад +12

    A strong middle class is the only way to avoid the pitfalls that has caused many civilizations to fall.

    • @curiositycloset2359
      @curiositycloset2359 3 месяца назад +5

      @@brucepoole8552 hmm well, given the middle class have really only existed in our time, and we are yet to fall, you can't really make that point. We will see if the bourgeois survive the r0oad to feudalism

    • @brucepoole8552
      @brucepoole8552 3 месяца назад +2

      @@curiositycloset2359 perhaps, but what has always been lacking in history is the will of the common people to be foremost.

    • @curiositycloset2359
      @curiositycloset2359 3 месяца назад +2

      @@brucepoole8552 I would just say, the Spartans only lost their middle class when they adopted money. We can't even imagine their world.

    • @brucepoole8552
      @brucepoole8552 3 месяца назад +3

      @@curiositycloset2359 spartans never had a middle class, they had slaves

  • @Giorg189
    @Giorg189 2 месяца назад +1

    Much appreciated that you refer to Greece as Hellas, which is the correct name, and how Greeks call their country.

  • @jrdosreis6484
    @jrdosreis6484 3 месяца назад +4

    55:34 is it tegaen or Texan

    • @jevinliu4658
      @jevinliu4658 3 месяца назад

      Autocorrect probably

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  3 месяца назад +2

      Tegean is the more accepted term, but some sources have it almost like "tehan"

  • @Mr.Goop92
    @Mr.Goop92 3 месяца назад

    Love your chanel comming from big fans of history. I learn so much thank you for an amazing vedios!❤

  • @jozzieokes3422
    @jozzieokes3422 4 месяца назад +10

    Amazing

  • @nemos9856
    @nemos9856 3 месяца назад +3

    Its my birthday and KIngsandGenerals drops this banger 🥰

  • @idruvak
    @idruvak 3 месяца назад

    This one was really good.
    Im going to watch the whole thing again

  • @THEBIGE.
    @THEBIGE. 3 месяца назад +2

    Damn at work and this gem dropped 😢

  • @mihajlo7893
    @mihajlo7893 3 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for this great video..Поздрав из Србије...

  • @Nordsan
    @Nordsan 3 месяца назад +2

    that plushy is the definition of cute, love it

  • @Gmiaoulis
    @Gmiaoulis 3 месяца назад

    Nice work. That was an amazing documentary. Thank you very much

  • @franciscovelasco5422
    @franciscovelasco5422 4 месяца назад +22

    This was Sparta!

  • @michaelsmyth3935
    @michaelsmyth3935 3 месяца назад +1

    Very good. Nice to see the story told so well.

  • @kerim63000
    @kerim63000 3 месяца назад +5

    Spartans would've wished this way... Survival of the fittest

  • @KHK001
    @KHK001 3 месяца назад +2

    Amazing video as always!

  • @prestonak
    @prestonak 3 месяца назад +5

    THIS WAS SPARTA!!!

  • @Iusti018
    @Iusti018 3 месяца назад

    Great video! Thanks :-) Keep up the great work!

  • @ASMRHistorywithSophie
    @ASMRHistorywithSophie 3 месяца назад +43

    If the Persians or Spartans could see what Zack Snyder did to them in the movie 300 they'd team up just to take him down 😂
    Edit: Zack Snyder not Ridley Scott*

    • @pleb3462
      @pleb3462 3 месяца назад +1

      So true 😂

    • @TheGreatWarDaily
      @TheGreatWarDaily 3 месяца назад +2

      I liked 300 but agreed it wasn't exactly historically accurate

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  3 месяца назад +4

      Ridley Scott did not direct that movie.

    • @ntonisa6636
      @ntonisa6636 3 месяца назад +1

      You mean Zack Snyder?

    • @ASMRHistorywithSophie
      @ASMRHistorywithSophie 3 месяца назад +10

      It's easy to get confused between two directors who both make innacurate historical movies 💁‍♂️

  • @Battleblunt420
    @Battleblunt420 3 месяца назад +2

    This is a better Spartan documentary than timeline did lol

  • @thestanleys3657
    @thestanleys3657 3 месяца назад +7

    "Spartan's never die, just missing in action"

  • @eshuorishas9987
    @eshuorishas9987 2 месяца назад +1

    15:45 WHAT? Can’t hear you over this music getting louder and louder!

  • @KroiAlbanoiArbanon
    @KroiAlbanoiArbanon 3 месяца назад +30

    As my teacher of history used to say: the most impressive thing about the spartans is that they convinced the world they were impressive to begin with.

  • @987zyx
    @987zyx 3 месяца назад

    Thank You, this is just a great video and topic

  • @m.d.692
    @m.d.692 3 месяца назад +4

    I cant watch this. It hurts too much

  • @lafeelabriel
    @lafeelabriel 2 месяца назад

    A sad sad end if there ever was a one. But in hindsight a inevitable one.
    And all the sadder for it. Here's to the Spartans, forever doing their best to overcome all the odds even when it was a lost cause start to finish.
    And of course thank you guys for a another outstanding video^^

  • @DarkAnd1000
    @DarkAnd1000 3 месяца назад +5

    homie wake up, new kings and generals video just dropped.

  • @PristineRene
    @PristineRene 3 месяца назад

    And here I thought the animation is already great and now.. nahh it's getting better. Great and informative content as always. Now I also want the fall of Athens.